How Pau Gasol Led The Bulls Over LeBron: Bulls at Cavs Game 1
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- Coach Nick broke down how the Chicago Bulls attacked the Cleveland Cavaliers defense in the Pick and Roll. Without some defensive adustments, the Cavs will have a hard time winning this series.
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Rose has been hitting that weird step back all season, ask Golden State fans.
JAHRONMON around the key his step back in pretty damn good and if he hits a couple he can go there all night
JAHRONMON IKR... I'm a GSW fan and IDK how the heck he hits them. .._..
Kloty Clan to be honest this isn't new, rose has been hitting that step back for years and the warriors one isn't the only game winner he's done it on. I like to call it "the windy city assassin step back"
fredrick coleman Derrick Rose is one of those guards that can hit those tough shots. He's done it a lot to my Wizards.
JAHRONMON no he's only been making those shots in like 1 in 5 games. the other 4, people always ended up asking about his horrible shot selection and why he doesn't drive to the rim consistently
pau gasol is such a beast.
omary saho A huge upgrade over Boozer.
If Pau is hitting his mid range shot, there really isn't any adjustment that the Cavs can make to defend the Bulls. They just don't have the personnel to stop them.
Juan Nunez he's got to be hitting it... if I was Pau I'd be shooting all day today from that spot
Daniel Lawson That mid range jumper is basically a layup for Pau.
Match up problems for the Cavs everywhere, and it think Thibs is a great scout and now that he has an idea of who Cleveland will play, he can capitalize off that.
JAHRONMON I kinda saw that the Cavs would have holes even if they had Love coming in the series. A few people thought the Cavs were good enough to go deep in the playoffs. I never thought they were basing on the lineup even after the February trades.
BludAardvark Calm down it's 1 game in. You're making out like they've already lost the series. The bulls will not make those ridiculous shots every game.
thebeast12333 you are missing the point. I was agreeing the issues about matchup problems, not taking ridiculous shots. Maybe you should calm down and ramp up your reading comprehension.
Gelmeister G He doesn't need to.
JAHRONMON They switched to 2 bigs as i expected and Cavs defense was much more balanced this time. Cavs need Jr Smith's shots and they needed at least 1 of the Marion- Jones-Miller trio to play well. The trio looks like more washed-up then I thought so they can hope that JR can hit open shots. I think the series will become 2-2 eventually.
I'm a lifelong basketball fan, but I can't always watch the off-ball movement and diagnose plays in the flow of the game. Really appreciate your vids, Nick! BBALLBREAKDOWN
After playing the Bucks defense Bulls gained a lot of confidence.
BuckMarley after playing the Bucks D this must have seemed like a vacation
Daniel Lawson Agreed, Pau isn't smothered and he's just shooting freethrows like it's practice.
Chicago was like playing with 4 players against the bucks because they could not get Pau to work. Agreed
Cavs make highlight plays, the bulls make the right plays
Pau has really been a blessing for the Bulls this year, very consistent scoring option.
I wonder how much different our situation would be if we signed Melo in the offseason instead of Pau.
Myles Lenaught The Bulls wouldn't have even made the playoffs. Pau is fantastic!
Coach can u list your top 5 backcourts? I got 1. Curry/Thompson 2.Rose/Butler 3.Wall/Beal 4.Lillard/Matthews 5.Derozan/Lowry- Irving/Smith
This is what they signed him for! No reason why Gasol shouldn't dominate this Series IMO
Has rose mastered the art of passing while in the air?
You can say Bulls were hitting some hard shots they will probably miss next time, but Kyrie was hitting some ridiculous shots that he might not make either. Bulls overcame 30 from Kyrie and a near triple double from lebron. D-Rose was really playing well yesterday, not just in scoring but finding open guys. Bulls are going to win this series in 5.
Derrick Wade Kyrie hit the same shots he always hits around the basket. It's not like he was hoisting up threes from midcourt like the last Bulls game. Honestly him and LeBron had average days, if their playoff experience so far is any indication. Rose, on the other hand, shot unusually well from deep and we can expect that to regress to the mean.
Derrick Rose did make two tough 3s, which he likely won't make too much more this series. But he always was able to make tough shots in the paint same with Kyrie. Iman Shumpert had a great night from 3. Made 4 of them, a couple of tough contested shots. Scored 22. Again he likely won't have another game like that. That Brooks 3 you saw in this video is what he does all the time. He takes those long 3s fading away early in the shot clock that has coach Thibs pulling his hair out. But he has shown his whole career the ability to make them so I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to make that tough shot.
I'll say that Cleveland shouldn't be too discouraged. The longer this series continues the more Butler might wear down guarding LeBron. Rose hasn't shown any consistency this season, mainly with his shooting. So Rose is likely to have a couple bad shooting nights this series. If LeBron shot the ball a little better, they might of won last night. I expect him to be more aggressive scoring the ball. He can't score under 20 and expect to beat this Bulls team 4 times out of 7. The only thing they should be discouraged about is the Rose/Gasol combo on the pick n pop. Cause it is getting better and better the more they play together.
I would like to see Chicago use their bench more cause it's deep. I think it could cost them if they use the bench like they did in game 1. Snell and Mirotic were great for them down the stretch this season. Especially Mirotic, he was one of the best 4th quarter players in the NBA. But Thibbs has barely used either of them in the playoffs. Snell could be huge this series, allowing Butler to rest some. If Thibbs is asking Butler to guard LeBron 40 min a night, and still provide 20ppg in the series, I think he will be disappointed by the end of the series.
Either team can win this series still. Bulls need to find a way to get easier shots and the Cavs need to fix their pick n roll defense and get more scoring from LBJ.
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Well you put out a lot of opinions here. You're crazy if you think the Bulls will be able to shoot 55.6% from three again, whether their shots are uncontested or not; they were by far the lucky ones here. Which is good news for Cleveland.
The biggest thing imo is Rose's health. He's shown all year that his numbers decline significantly with only a day's worth of rest, so Cleveland should be enjoying that tomorrow. LeBron did have an off night for him, but a night like that could still have gotten the Cavs the win.
For some reason Thibs hates to play his bench. It's a bit understandable because Mirotic has been atrocious as of late and Taj is only really good for rebounds, but I'm not sure about Snell. I keep expecting Butler or Rose to go down and not get back up; human bodies just can't take that kind of punishment night in and night out. There were some hard hits last night that should have had Chicago fans knocking down Thibs's door, but I guess they're used to it by now.
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I was trying too say the Bulls will likely not shoot as well from as they did. I know I didn't organize my thoughts very well though. I was mainly bored and rambling along without any clear direction or point lol
But to be clear, I was saying Rose will not make most of his 3s the rest of the series. I would be shocked. The 3s he made last night weren't easy for the most part. I don't expect him to make step back 3s with a hand in his face. And all year he has been inconsistent with his shot. The playoffs has been no different.
But I was also trying to say the Bulls hitting 3s isn't new. They were 2nd in the NBA this season 3pt% and top 5 in attempts. Butler and Dunleavy are more than capable of hitting 3s. Dunleavy always has been a good 3pt shooter, and Butler has made great improvements on that end this year. Mainly on the catch and shoot, which he needed to do playing beside Rose. So them hitting 3s last night isn't a surprise. But I was saying the more series goes along Butler might wear down which will hurt his offense. At least you think, but he has done it all year so is it crazy to think it will continue... I was also saying the same thing about Brooks.. He all year has been good from 3, and he takes that deep fading 3 a lot. Of course he is going to miss that shot, but he can make it. He does it all the time..
Mirotic hasn't played well in the playoffs and I know that's why Thibs hasn't used him. I do understand that. I only brought up Snell cause it's one player who can give Butler a break and still bring good defense and at least a player capable of making the 3.
Derrick Wade i saw your profile picture first, and i thought damn that looks like rose and wade combine. then i saw your name. wtf
Lebrons bad game aside I see no real way the Cavs take this series and I am rooting for them. Love was a massive part of what they do offensively and Expecting Lebron to defend both their guards, their forwards AND their centers the entire game while playing 40+ minutes then slamming him in the media for not having to energy to average 30 seems extremely unrealistic. Even Jordan just had to guard one guy and score points lol.
Corey Vaughn-Patterson Yeah I don't really think the Cavs will win to be honest. Out of all 4 second round match-ups I think this one is the one that will be confidently won. But then I could underestimate bron.
+Corey Vaughn-Patterson
He coped against the Bulls and Hawks, but he couldn't do it against the Warriors. There's only so much one guy can do
Watching this as a Laker fan makes me shake my head, man... :/
This is the same Pau Gasol we could have still had in L.A., the same Pau Gasol we'd had in L.A. for YEARS. And he would have been happy to stay, too. But they treated him badly and we lose an all-star power forward. SMH
Coach, there are a lot of rumors about This being canned after the playoffs, and being replaced by Hoiberg of Iowa St. Now Hoiberg seems like a pretty solid coach, but this is reminiscent of the Jackson/Floyd situation in 99. What's your opinion on it? And would you mind doing a scheme vid for Hoiberg.
DrGanja99 It depends. Thibs only has 1 year left in his contract after this season. Would be silly for management as much as they don't like Thibs to tell him to find a new team and take the rest of the money with the contract while they are at it.
To be honest, if Thibs were gonna get fired, it would have been last year. Think about it. Rose and Gibson have contracts ending in '17. The bulls signed Gasol and Mirotic for 3 years ending in '17. The bulls will have team options to keep McDermott and Snell through '17. They tried getting Jimmy to agree to a contract extension. They'll resign Jimmy this summer anyway. Jo, the heart of the team, is a free agent in '16. Most of the guaranteed contracts end in '17. Obviously some of these guys will get resigned. If the bulls were that concerned about Thibs, he would have been fired last year so the bulls didn't have to waste another year under Thibs.
Adam Gottlieb Or this yr could have been the last opportunity for this core group to get a ring before they started to rebuild or change some things. There are just too rumors about the tension between Thibs and management to ignore. Your points actually make a case for getting rid of Thibs.
DrGanja99 Not really. They already scrapped a good chunk of the core from Thibs' first 4 years. they moved on from the core, but they kept thibs. To me, that doesn't make much sense to keep him an extra year if they wanted to fire him.. Especially considering Hoiberg got knocked out in the first round by a 14 seed.
Might a match-up zone stop this on crucial possessions?
Also, maybe LeBron has to go just a tiny bit back to his older Cleveland days and pull out two or three monster scoring nights. Maybe that will get the Cavs playing harder.
MBogdos96 The Bulls are pretty adept at keeping LeBron from going nuts when Butler is playing.. also a couple of key bench players hardly played this game... Kirk is a -12 player... his offense and defense both are minus on the floor while better defender and scorer Snell played hardly any minutes
MBogdos96 I don't think Lebron is up for the challenging of carrying the entire team. He needs help, and doesn't really have it...well, Kyrie...but that's not enough.
MBogdos96 LeBron can score 50 any night he chooses. He knows that to win consistently, he has to have other people score, because most players who don't score consistently, usually give up on defense. This is a conundrum, as the rest of his team already doesn't believe in defense. I think that injury to their two starting bigs will be the downfall of the Cavs. Seeing as how Love will probably be a Laker or Celtic, I honestly don't know what they plan on doing to win a championship in the future.
rodney scott well, cavs have a backup plan though. aldridge wants to play for cleveland if ever love leaves this free agency
qjdivina Nope. Aldridge has already said he he will be moving closer to his mom. This means either OKC, Dallas, or San Antonio. Cleveland can't afford a max free agent not from their team.
Coach Nick's suggestion on Cavs defence: Let James to everything like he didi in the Heats.
Miller and Jones played big minutes and maybe got 3 points, LeBron had 6 turnovers, and the team consistently failed on the pick and roll. They only lost by 7 though, the Bulls hit some ridiculous shots, and they were extremely close to winning in the last five minutes. Cavs in 6.
This was the closest I’ve seen to mvp Rose 😢
Yes, the Cavs fans are hoping the Bulls are not going to make those shots but the Bulls fans are hoping goaltending and flopping are going to be called as they are. Shumpert won't shoot the ball that well too many times either.
Any update on Gasol injury?
The big man rotation is going to kill the cavs. It gives the bulls a lot of options for the pick and roll/pop. I'd like to see Thibs use a Taj and Jo pairing as they complimented each other really well last year in the 78 games they played together. They only had 49 games together this season and shared much fewer minutes each game. If Thibs can make that work, the bulls have another offensive weapon they can use.
later in the series can you break down Jimmy Butler's defense on LeBron. I know you already have a video similar to this, but from the game last night it seemed like Butler did a good job moving his feet to stay in front of LeBron and fighting over screens
Dunleavy does the Ray Allen Game 6 move... And both travelled.
the "Coach Lebron" comment had me in tears xD #imin
Coach, can you please explain the reasoning for running the high pick and roll with Noah as the screener? He is a non threat out there, and with lebron guarding him, any dribbling towards his range seems like a disaster waiting to happen. A similar question.. Why don't the bulls use a butler/pau pick and roll? It seems to me that butler has turned himself into a more consistent shooter than rose at this point.
I have no idea how the game was that close. Cavs looked terrible
PH3AR3D The Cavs shot and made more freethrows.
As a bulls fan I thought they (The Cavaliers) did what they were supposed to I felt Lebron was naturally going to have a below average game in points because of Jimmy Butler but still do his thing on the boards, & assists & that Kyrie would go off and be almost unstoppable dropping thirty. & Iman had a nice game too & I seen some pretty nice offensive boards by them too but I knew that wouldn't be enough even with them playing how they were supposed to play. With out a Michael Carter-Williams on Derrick rose to force turnovers (even though that didn't really work either) I don't think Kyrie can stop D-Rose from completely going insane. The match ups on my Bulls are too crazy and we have guys on the bench that can step up and also play defense idk man.
Because Butler was subpar on offense. Shump isn't a bad defender, and it didn't help that occasionally James was put on him. He'll take the shots when they need him, but a lot of the pick and rolls were run through Rose and Gasol, which is fine, but I expect the pick and roll to change up a few times during the series. It didn't help that Noah was pretty uncharacteristically bad that game either and that Niko only saw 2 minutes of action. Thibs usually keeps his starters in to face starters and bench players to face bench players. The cavs have to go to their bench eventually, and that's when we'll see bigger leads.
Coach, do you think the Wizards have a shot at getting to the Finals? I think they have all the pieces and while they are not great, they are really solid and pretty good at defense when they want it. Great vid btw!
Eduardo Manrique I agree, I think the Wizards have a legit shot at coming out of the East. Hopefully not, but ya gotta give them credit for being a good team.
...it's up to Coach David Blatt and Coach Lebron hahahaha
That last pass could have been an injury.
Hey coach, Plez do a breakdown on Houston vs Clipper G1, I want to see how bad Houston is hah.
Without Love & JR, the Cavs are gonna have a hard time out scoring the Bulls. I doubt Shump will score another 22pts but who knows. & Butler played good D on Lebron containing him to only 19pts but hopefully Jimmy doesn't start to feel any fatigue guarding him. Bulls should take this series
Coach do you think J.R. Smith could be the difference in the series when he comes back?
Why isn't Snell getting any minutes? It's almost the starting 5 for the whole 48. Anyone else worried about these guys getting exhausted?
And this is the difference between lebrons heat and his cave. The heat could have stretches where they SUFFOCATED you on D and those teams were far more disciplined while the cavs only option is to outscore you with pure talent. That ain't gonna work on a fully healthy Chicago.
Bulls in 7. Bulls x Warriors in the Finals this year.
willemdee yea
I was thinking bulls in 6.. bulls closing it out at home...
Then wiz or hawks in 7 then bulls if against hawks in 7, if against wiz in 5 or 6.
Then in the west, warriors in 5-6, clippers in 5-6, warriors in 6-7, and finals warriors in 7.....
willemdee Bulls in 7? I think Bulls can win in 5. There are mismatches everywhere and Bulls just have to exploit them to win easily. Cavs will put up a fight, but with those mismatches I don't see them pushing to 7. We'll see though. If you're talking about the Finals with Bulls winning in 7 then I don't know. Golden State has a lot of weapons and they have some pretty good defensive players (andre iguodala, bogut, green). Iguodala would guard Butler, Rose and Curry would cancel each other out, Green would neutralize Gasol. It would come down to the depth of both teams. I say Golden State in 6 because they have home court and the difficulty of the western conference would make them better prepared
DerkuiDerkui you are forgetting the bulls are a better road team than they are at home so golden state is in trouble
CuDerRaGer Can you tell me something that backs up that?
Bulls Home/Road Record: 27-14/23-18
Warriors Home/Road record: 39-2/28-13
You are forgetting that the warriors have a better road record than the bulls AND the bulls actually are a better home team.. And the bulls are in the east :P
Kloty Clan theeezeeeee nutsss
2:00 Everybody gets away with those travels, and I think I'm the one annoyed if it the most xD They really, really need to clean these up.
Coach, u funny
Hey coach or whoever else that knows the answer to my question. What do I need to do to make jump passes like Rose? Like what body part do I start working out and what drills would be good?
TheRoad2PRO Core and legs
TheRoad2PRO DON'T DO THEM!!! That's basketball 101 not to. Rose gets away with it sometimes like last night, but he turns the ball over a lot too.
ItsAllAboutGuitar +TheRoad2PRO This man is right, don't do them.
Who's moscow?
ONLY D Rose can execute the jump pass to succession lol
And Thomson gets a lecture...hehe
Hey coach Nick,Are you sold on coach Blatt as a legit NBA head coach?
N secondly....kyrie's pnr defense was terrible...I'm assuming Cleve adjustment will be to hedge then help of jokim if Noah n the game....even tho kyrie gave us 30...he didn't even attempt to get around screen...let alone come with a late contest...how much you think that's gonna hurt Cleve...cause at the end of the day...it's all about effort
Is LeBron trying to slide his feet under Jimmy's at 4:55 to get him injured?
Yes he did, kyrie did that same shit to rose in the regular season. Not to mention they tried to pull a KLove on Drose
Did they? That's really nice from them, trying to injure a player who has fought through several major injuries and has never given up. Very respectful. I hope the Bulls beat the fuck out of the Cavs so LeBron and his bitches learn what real toughness is
WHATS THE SONG
Coach Lebron haha!
Great job coach nick for the breakdown...just two things for you or my fellow bulls fans to comment on...mite be blasphemy..but do you/you guys feel like jokim should get the boozer treatment...I mean how many layups does he have to miss..or how many times he's matched up with a shooting guard defending him n not even looking to score will eventually become a detriment...I love jokim..n when it's all said n done..he needs to end up on our coaching staff some how...but he's terrible around the basket...not as effective at in the high post anymore..n will continually guard some kind of perimeter player for remaining of the playoffs "ONCE" we advance...why do u guys think...
coach lebron hahahahahaha
In al seriousness coach, how much do you think LeBron gets to run plays/have a say in coaching situations and even GM duties. What do you think the effect is? Do you agree him being given that freedom?
I feel bad watching Cleveland's offense. Is so simple. So predictable.
armin38822 So is Chicago's offense. They run basic sets, they were just so deep this season it didn't matter.
armin38822 The weapons are limited. Kyrie and Lebron individually are monsters but the rest of the cast doesn't really mesh well. Love and JR Smith to an extent added a bit of dimension to their play.
armin38822 Longtime Cavs fan here, I wish I could say something to the contrary but it is so true and it drives me up the fucking wall every game. I mean it's great we have Kyrie and Lebron who can make their own shots, but they can't always make the buckets they want when they're defended by 2-3 players. The worst part of every game is when they draw all the defensive attention and kick it out to our role players on the perimeter and they brick an ungodly amount of wide open looks. We easily could have won this 1st game had only 3 of those shots gone down. That or they idiotically hold the ball and give the D time to reset. I should be bald and voiceless by now. Of course Kyrie and Lebron each did their have their own fair share of bricks and idiotic shot selections. Not to mention Lebron giving up on D in the most ridiculous moments. How in the hell do you just let Kirk Hinrich just blow right by you? Holy shit someone needs to slap him upside the head. My only wish is that David Blatt gets fired and we can somehow get Mark Jackson during the off season, regardless of how this one ends.
( I just realized how fucking long this is,but read on you're gonna like it...I know you will)
You really can't blame anyone. I feel like they would be fine if Kevin Love stayed healthy. Simple offense,high pick and roll but is deadly when LeBron + Love are doint it or Kyire + Love. Maybe it would be enough to win it all but without Love the team is just not that good. At least not good enough to win a championship. And I totaly don't agree about Blatt's firing. Even if some of the most respected coaches were on the Cavs bench,they wouldn't be able to do much this season because they didn't have training camp. If I was a Cavaliers fan I would feel just fine. Kevin Love is probably staying and the same goes for Kyire and LeBron without question. So there you have your real big 3 and the best part about it is that 2 out of those 3 guys are still pretty young. Eventually this Cavs team is going to win a ring. Is just not going to happen this year. Don't worry. You are in a very good place as a team. Next year is when Cavaliers really start doing some damage. Who in the east is going to hurt them in the next 2 or 3 years ? Chicago team is not that young. Pau is 35 years old. Same with Dunleavy. Noah,Rose,Gibson are always in some kind of pain. Then you have Washington with Gortat,Nene and Pierce. So Wizards are going to have to do a little bit of rebuilding to. Then you have Miami who's season is always going to depend on D-Wade and you know how that goes. Bucks are to young. Toronto is..well Toronto. Brooklyn is fucked for the next 2 years. Then you have your rebuild teams like Phila,Orlando,New York,Boston and Pistons. Who else is there ? Atlanta's A game even this year is not good enough to beat healthy Cleveland at least in my opinion. So only Pacers are left and Charlotte and I only see maybe Indiana doing something in the next years that could upset Cleveland. You see ? You are going to destory the east in the next few years.
My first time watching, with all due respect Nick, why are you nkt coaching. You sound knowledgeable about the game, why no job? No sarcasm maliciousness, honestly asking.
Cavs haven't won a playoff game without Kevin Love 😂😂😂
Tonio5100 calm down they've only played 5 so far.
Tonio5100 And Lebron James hasn't won a championship without 2 other established stars on his team. It can go both ways.
See Kevin Love sits with the team today and now they win easily LoL
Well they r in the finals
Rose cause cleveland so many match up problems because of his tremendous speed. Why Rose is no where in the category offensively as Mike, he can fly by people like Mike did just not the same finisher.
Correction: Derrick Rose led the bulls. He creates for gasol, but we all know Derrick was the man for this game.
And lebron was the man for the series
Surya p more like the guys with blowing the whistles were the men for the series
fredrick coleman excuses excuses stop blaming the refs. They lost by like 30 in game 6 that's their fault not the refs so stop cryin
Coach Lebron LOL
Coach I don't think the cavs can get past the bulls theres a couple of players that have been on there for some years now plus the bulls have 4 big men that can control the paint. surprised noah didn't show up but he still had some boards. the cavaliers big men didn't have that much cleanups rather then a few that's why they have kevin love but now that hes gone there done. the only way the cavs can really win is if LeBron and kyrie are scoring like crazy for every game but we all know LeBron cant do it alone he gasses out too quick bulls will win the series 4-2
Cavs < Bulls.
End of story!
+Philip Gonzaga Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm
Look at how cheap all the Bulls fans in this comment section are.
Lebron just haven't show up for the whole season he ain't doing his best
Lol coach lebron
coach lebron... lol
BBALLBREAKDOWN Coach Lebron, lol
cavs 17th ranked d and 20th fg%. overrated and will have no spacing without love.
lebron had his wosrt season in 8 years, regressing as a shooter career high in TOs, lapses on defense. expectations too high.
turnovers wont stop and hes not going to dominate offensively like years past
"Coach Blatt or Coach lebron" - Disrespectful and unfortunate thing to say.
As Coach Blatt is one of the more experienced coaches in the NBA, certainly one that proved himself more than most coaches you see in the NBA, that line was extremely disrespectful just to get a few laughs from your younger audience. I stopped watching the video right there.
Butthurt Cavs fan - Bulls in 5
Techniec You really couldn't understand, eh? I don't mind whatever he says about the cavs, as long as he is respectful towards Blatt. I've known that coach years and years before he got to the NBA, and he puts most NBA coaches to shame.
SeventyFive
LeBron doesn't even respect Blatt, he's the real coach of the team
Techniec You don't really get the plays, do you? But at any rate, it seems that you're not replying to what I am writing, and I am supposed to be the foreign speaker. So I'll leave you be, and get back to watch game 2, which so far has loads of Blatt setups, not that you can tell, now can you?