A Look at Chuck Fletcher's Time as GM of the Flyers
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2023
- Fired today by the team, I wanted to take a look at trades made, signings he opted for, and how the team has continued to be mediocre.
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As a Wild fan I give my condolences to Fletcher's next victim and to the Flyers fan base a hardy cheer! The light will shine again in Philly!
I came here to say the day thing!
Probably when Comcast sells the team. They don't seem to have any idea who to trust running a hockey team.
Its kinda how i feel bad for Nets fans. PHILLY warned them about Ben Simmons.. did u warn us about Fletcher? He is awful 😖
@@PopePlatinumBeats lol... but really, no warning sooo no research? Plenty of people said stay away from him.... who in Philly hired him? That's who should get Philly fans ire...
At least they came out & finally admitted they need to rebuild. The problem is I don't trust ownership to let the new GM do what needs to be done.
Fletcher will be the next GM of the penguins.
Damn the future is bright for us pens fans
No reason to rush into anything... so far Hexy has done a splendid job of sabotaging them :D
I was going to ask if you were a self loathing Pens fan or a Flyers fan trying to manifest this happening, but your handle says it all
Not a Philly fan but I assume they were supposed to be something this season.
Canucks
That one week in July 2021 is so damning, and then doubling down on one of the league's biggest pylons, oh man
You hit the nail on the head, Shannon! 4 years of stagnation (and significant injuries) don't make things better!
Just tryna put the pylons in orange
Called in sick today. Staying home, put on my Flyer's hat and was going to relax and do some reading.
Minutes later..."Fletcher Fired".
I feel better already. My lucky hat is doing it's magic.
the league is more fun when the flyers are good. I wish your team great success in bouncing back. and there's a lot of good players there still so who knows, with some competent management and a bit of luck, flyers could be back sooner than a lot of folks think possible.
@@andrew6815 I agree that they have some good talent now and they can turn the corner in a timely manner with the right management. On a positive side for me, I got to my 1st NHL regular season game this year ( just moved to Winnipeg in December). My flyers beat the Jets 4-0 in Winnipeg. At least I got that :)
Please wear your hat more often!
@@jmarx3943 Yeah, no kidding right? I also got to my first ever NHL regular season game this year. Flyers in Winnipeg. Wore my hat. Flyer's won it 4-0....the Hat...it WORKS :)
"I think it's been going great!"
- fans of division rivals
Except for Pittsburgh
@@americanloyalist4599 Why? Penguins fans are thrilled the Flyers have a lackluster GM.
Bo Horvat’s son is named Gunnar. Gunnar Horvat. That’s a great hockey name.
Is his son a hockey player? Nope
Gunnar & Bo 🇸🇪
I think passing on Caufield for York in 2019 was a big oof 19:22
I had a "Kotkaniemi" moment on that one, I was cursing out the tv and having a royal fit.
Not necessarily a “big oof” York is going to be pretty good and wasn’t a reach. Don’t forget that other teams passed on Caufield too. The Ghost trade was the biggest oof ever
Caufield was never in Philly's plans
Yeah York still has some time to prove himself. However that time is ticking very fast….. lol. Any move that guy did was just horrible. And any move he DIDNT do - was worse
@@yurk21 I would argue passing on a future 50 goal scorer (something Philly kind of desperately needs is any type of goal scoring) for a top 4 defenseman who will be forced to play bottom pair minutes because of who Philly has and will likely end up ruining him, that is a really damn big oof. Other teams did pass on Caufield sure but Philly stands out because of how big of a miss that was. Plus the video of the Flyers fans cheering for the USNDP announcement then realizing they drafted Cam York is an all-time classic lol.
Unfortunately for the Flyers, Gunnarwolfe Fontaine was actually drafted by the Preds
I look forward to Briere. I know he's an interim but they've been bringing him along for this so I'm certain he's staying put. He gets along with Torts which is good long term and he has an opportunity over the next to years two really shape this team. However... Dave Scott is still governor. Clarke and Holmgren are sticking around... eh
Sounds like how us Canucks fans feel about our ownership too...
Clarke and Homer need to stop having any say
@@BestSomebodyNA Just last week I commented on another video saying the same! Odd franchise parallels between Flyers and Canucks. The way Shannon speaks about the Canucks resonates with me 100%
Remind me of when the Oilers were run by the old 80s guys like Kevin Lowe and Craig MacTavish before McDavid
@@J_Aaron_L They are both similar in the way that at the moment they seem stuck, not bad enough on bad years to get a franchise or top end talent in the draft, barring great luck and not good enough when good to win a championship. These problems are compounded by bizarre trades and wastes of cap space by confused and/or not fit for task front offices.
Thanks for mentioning the crap he’s put the wild through. Makes this extra sweet for this here wild fan.
The guy was using an app to determine the strength of deals he was putting together. You can't make this stuff up. I really hope is a GM somewhere next year because I'd be calling him up daily if I'm the Flyers GM.
I do not think Fletcher will get another shot at a GM job, but I also thought Ron Hextall would not get another shot at a GM job after his firing from Philly either... so who knows. The NHL really likes to cycle through coaches and GMs like crazy...
I think, in part, it's a mix of fan reaction to a GM who has no experience, and also, if you are betting your job on how well the GM performes, it's probably a better bet to get a GM you know.
Flyers are in Sharks territory. They kinda need a rebuilt, but they kinda can't really do it. They have a lot of long untradeable contracts.
So, I guess keeping Torts, maybe even adding pieces in a nondestructive way and hoping for the best, is the strategy for now?
that's probably the only possible way because of the lottery, they have to get vets they are stars for the short term like 1 year or 2 until a big time young star becomes available. i mean i mean you look at the stars, they have star vets but they are not overpaid and have great term and still winning games, it's very difficult to get a young star.
My thoughts, I think Risto has had a better season than what you think. He’s probably the most improved player on the team. He’s -4 with 14 points this year. Compare that to Provy’s numbers, 4g 18a at -14.
+/- isn't really comparable in this situation considering provorov logs way more minutes
@@Macleandouris I see your point that Provy plays more, but that just reinforces my point that Risto isn’t as bad as he’s being portrayed.
@@rob9753 if risto got those minutes we'd be screwed I love provy he don't have anyone playing next to him I feel bad for him he's a good dman risto would have buffalo numbers if he was 1st pair 🤷♂️
My comparison to Provy was only to show that he was no where as bad as he was being portrayed, I feel he gets a bad rap sometimes.
Great video. Only disagreement is Risto has been fine. I didn't at the time and I still don't get the outrage about a number 4 defenseman in his prime getting 5.1. I'm pretty sure he gave the flyers a discount cause he wanted to stay in Philly. Not to mention Torts has called him their most improved player this season.
Yes the first round pick was a big overpayment though
Great analysis! You should be a candidate for the permanent flyers GM job.
You missed the Atkinson and Deangelo trades
He didn't miss any, just didn't choose to include it
@@jonah.donohue Atkinson was a good trade. Deangelo was garbage trade
I called into Philly Sports talk radio last week to rag on the Flyers, I like to think I deserve some credit here 🤣
Flyers and the Canucks are basically the same. Demands of playoffs EVERY year and only short term moves to get back into it...
Really interesting commentary..it has sure been dismal in Philly..hope Briere can move things to better times ahead.
sweet jersey guy!🤩
Huge respect and huge appreciation for your work. As a UK fan, your updates and insight is just invaluable. Thanks once again for your incredible work and commitment.
Lol when we think of Suter and Parise's buy outs. The guy had time to get fired by a team, get hired as GM by another team, wreck that whole other franchise, then get fired again and yet his bad decisions are still deeply hurting that first team
The destructive power of bad contracts is way underestimated. Paying big money to guys over 32 is a recipe for disaster
Edit: there’s a need for an analytics revolution for many NHL franchises. Wonder if Dubas ends up here
Little disappointed Shannon you didnt mention the whole Johnny Gaudreau debacle. I think that contributed to the beginning of the end for Fletcher.
they couldn't figure out if they wanted to do a retool/rebuild....sound familiar?
Watching this now, you called that Giroux trade a win early on. Owen Tippett is fantastic.
I'm a devils fan, but live near the Philly area. I always liked Ghost, but he had to get out of Philly and was happy he did. For some reason, Ghost was blamed for everything for Philly.
I always liked Ghost.
Whipping boy. I remember when the Oilers did the same thing to Schultz. When times are tough its easy to hate on a young talented mistake prone offensive defenseman.
Excellent deep dive for us casual hockey fans.. all Philly teams are title contenders and the Flyers are god awful and forgotten here...noone is wearing flyers gear in Philly.. dark times for the Orange and Black.. hire the assistant GM away from the Bruins to taken over in Philly
Gritty axes another one!
Even without Audio Shannon impresses me.
What’s mind-numbing about the Risto extension (ignoring the horrible trade) is that he was statistically terrible the year he was on an expiring contract. Then Chuck dives into the sunken coat fallacy and decides Risto needs a fat bag.
And he's been much much better this season. He isn't the problem and I don't see how a 5.1 million cap hit for a big 2nd pair rhd in his prime is this ridiculous overpayment. Had he gone to the market I think he would've gotten more
Ristolainen contract signing went like this:
Ristolainen: “I played poorly but can bounce back. Give me a two year bridge at 6 million.”
Fletcher: “How about 25.5 million for five years?”
Ristolainen: “Are you out of your mind!?!? Sure, I’ll take the cash and play for a trash team. If I go to free agency I’d be lucky to get a one year for 2 million.”
Fletcher: “Outstanding, sign here!” Internal thought, if Fletcher has thoughts, (I wish I hadn’t failed math.)
Great video Shannon. What part of Vancouver are you living?
Love the video, small note Gauthier is playing at "Boston College" not "Boston University". Those two schools hate each other haha
True enough!
I'd say when you errantly trade away draft picks and aren't developing young players from within or opting to trade around for free agents willy nilly... Your doomed. That's why for example the devils have had much more success as of late. Deep prospect pool and development of their young stars
Hey Shannon! Thought you'd appreciate that Bobby Brink's middle name is Orr which would make him an even better fit on the Bruins. I think he's gonna be a good player too
Just look at how bad he screwed the Wild. I was listening to NHL morning skate this morning and hearing how he was doing the same thing there as he did in Minny. The Wild are still cleaning up his mess
Good job
The Hockey Guy I have a suggestion for a GM Career video Bobby Clarke and his tenure with panthers and most notably flyers. I'd love to see your breakdown/thoughts on his run.. keep up the awesome content I'm a newer viewer and really enjoy your vids!
Regarding Brendan Lemieux. Fletcher and Kings GM Rob Blake had agreed to a 5th round pick for Zack MacEwen. But Blake needed to move Lemieux first before he could make the deal happen, so Fletcher just agreed to take him along with the 5th.
Gunnarwolfe Fontaine is an absolute stud for Northeastern right now
Shannon been talking about Bobby Brink to the Boston Bruins since before he was drafted way back in like 2019 😂😂😂
The rest of the Metro has a day of mourning. Maybe Philly will now stop tire-spinning, dang it.
If the Wild has shown anything, it takes YEARS to recover from Fletcher
@@csharp48 flyers fan here, i personally think this hole the flyers are in will take 3+ years to get out of if not more
The Flyers are the team that was most screwed by the pandemic. They were strong in the "Vigneaults first season with a new team", and it's been all downhill from since.
I don't blame the pandemic, this franchise has been a circus since 2013. The drafting has been abysmal, cap management god awful and asset management/development laughable. There's serious issues above the GM level.
The Giroux deal is a win no matter how you look at it, They got something for a rental
Next fired GM video likely going to be Chevy in Winnipeg.
Peter Chiarelli's still looking for a GM gig. Thoughts, Flyers fans?
Philly has the same problem as Vancouver. "We just need 1 piece to be a contending team"
Difference between the Flyers and the Canucks is that the Flyers are finally committing to a rebuild
Great video! As a Flyers fan, couldn't be happier to see Fletcher gone. I still don't trust our front office outside of Briere, and the ownership is a huge problem, but this is a big step in the right direction. I don't see Chuck getting another GM job after this
FLETCHER ruined 2 franchises in a row...will he get a chance at a 3rd?
Remember when that dog took a dump at center ice?
TLDR there you go.
Any thoughts on the Old BSB 'advisers' and Dave Scott's future.
Another trade is Voracek for Atkinson, although both have had injuries
Would be shocked if he gets another look at gm
Kind of shocked you didn’t list the DeAngelo trade
Meh, they traded picks and DeAngelo has had a decent season from an offensive standpoint. I did mention him in the video, but the trade to me is still somewhat justifiable.
@@TheHockeyGuy Hi. That is the point. He traded picks, draft capital, that this team needs to rebuild. He had no plan. In a year when the draft is so loaded, he thought this team was close to making the playoffs. They needed to be baaaaad. Not just bad enough that they will probably just miss getting in the top 4 picks that are supposed to be Can't miss prospects. Terrible acquisition. Wasn't needed.
I'd have mentioned not offering Gaudreau a deal when he expected to come to Philly. They could've made space
One thing not mentioned was Chuck not pursuing Johnny Gaudreau in anyway
How about naming all the Flyer scouts ,and filling the board with their recommendations..
Didn't watch video yet but as a Flyers fan. Fletcher was brought in for his "Bias for Action", they were gunning to get back into the playoffs after they pulled out of Hextalls "rebuild" early. Fletchers early moves were risky like bringing in Niskanen but mostly worked out and it was mostly down hill from there. If Ellis wasn't half dead and they didn't suffer medical malpractice that is their doctors then he very well might still have a job. He went from some splashy, risky moves to being more of being a guy that applied a band aid to everything.
I agree with you on the Sanheim and Hayes contracts, but Risto has absolutely NOT had a "nightmare of a season." That's the bandwagon talking. He's actually playing very good defense and he will continue to get better. Poor guy's never had the same coach 2 years in a row. Very good overall analysis though. Could have mentioned Atkinson and Couturier didn't play a shift all year.
Flyers fan here: we have 1 thing too be happy about this year however with Fletcher gone - hopefully Comcast won’t be far behind. Good riddance too Chuck.
Flyers Fan sind 95. this all hurts so much.
Recap of Fletcher's 2022-23 season trades :
-24' 2nd, 22' 3rd and 22' 4th round draft picks to Carolina for Tony DeAngelo (why give up so much Chuck? , I bet Torts was thrilled lol)
- Minor trade: D, Cooper Zech (later traded by Chicago to NYR in the Patrick Kane trade) to Chicago for C, Evan Barratt (2017, 3rd round pick)
-Minor trade : LW, Isaac Ratcliffe (2017, 2nd round pick) to Nashville for Future Considerations aka nothing
Deadline moves:
- RW, Zack MacEwen to Los Angeles for LW, Brendan Lemieux (Torts is thrilled again, lol) and a 2024 5th round pick
-C, Patrick Brown to Ottawa for a 2023 6th round pick
- Almost trading JVR to Detroit?
Going back into their own division was never going to help the Flyers, the East was mostly the Metro, and the one major difference (Carolina out, Boston in) was a lateral move at most.
Chuck had some bad luck during his time with the Flyers, BUT the bad moves he made were horrific. He made maybe 3 or 4 decent trades, but man this last deadline is where he royally screwed up.
Fletcher wasn't the main problem in Philly, he was a symptom of a major Comcast problem.
So ends the rock bottom phase of the Philadelphia Flyers.
Welcome to Philly, again Danny Briere.
No where to go but up.
I am pretty sure Ristolainen (and his agent) likes the Ristolainen contract
Two other picks that could pan out is wisdom and emil andrae. Wisdom could be a solid high energy bottom 6 that can chip in here and there.
I give Fletcher credit for making them the Broad Street Bullies again (leading the league in fights). I enjoyed watching them play despite being mediocre in the standings.
Hextall's draft picks weren't that great but he cleared out bad contracts. Sanheim & Hayes are very bad contracts Fletcher brought in.
I always thought that Chuck Fletcher was never an NHL gm. Its purely name recognition (Cliff Fletcher) And in my opinion Mike Yeo is not an NHL coach either. It's interesting how they both ended up in Philly.
As a Devils fan hate seeing Chuck go...
Rangers fan here. "Never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake" applies to the Flyers 😀
And Eric Lindros ... What is the play with him???
Matt Niskanen big part of Cap's successes...made everyone on the ice with him better
Let's hope that Peter Chiarelli is the next Philly GM!
Fletcher was one of the GMs of all time.
audio issues around the 11 min mark then good again...🤨
Fun fact: the 2024 Florida first round pick is actually unprotected because of the Tkachuk trade.
The horror. The horror...
After what he did to Minnesota he never deserved another job. I can't believe he was ever hired.
The JVR Contract by Hextall was supposedly pushed on him by management. I believe he was forced into making the deal because the likes of Clarke, Holmgren, et al. wanted to see something done other than just sit back and wait for drafted players to develop.
A new chapter begins in the the sad story of the Philadelphia Fired.
As a Devils fan, I love dunking on the Flyers. But I don't see how you can criticize Fletcher's drafting. Yes, it will take time to prove but his picks look excellent imo. Trouble is there weren't nearly enough of them. And that's on him. And Sanheim kekeke
Let’s put it this way, the warehouse I work in started cheering and honking all the horns on the equipment in excitement. It’s obviously not just fletchers fault, but maybe this team finally has a fucking plan, maybe. Obviously the Flyers being owned by a mega corporation doesn’t help, but one step at a time.
Noone can ever top Benning. The OEL trade will haunt the Canucks for the entirety of Hughes and Petterssons careers.
I fear they won't really fix anything as long as Holmgren is there.
Imagine this team has cale makar and Cole caufield right now how different things would be
I don't think Fletcher expected Niskanen to retire and for Ellis and Couturier to suffer career ending injuries. That's bad injury luck.
The only one happy with that Ristolainen contract is himself lol
I think it was announced at the STH town hall that Ellis is done.
If Briere is committed to a rebuild he’ll trade Konecny. It would be an unpopular move but Konecny as our best offensive player is indicative of how low the talent level is in Philly. He’s a solid fourth best on a contender.
TK is def not a 4th liner on a contending team.
@@bobandy2845 I said 4th Best as in 4th Best Forward. Nowhere did I say he is a 4th Liner.
Philly is throwing a parade tomorrow to celebrate. This is their Super Bowl win
I wouldn't give Chuck Fletcher a job if I was a team owner.
Didn't Fletcher trade 3 draft picks for Tony D?
Flyers need to Fire All their PRO scouts... some of the players they signed recently and gave Huge contracts to are just bad or way past their prime... and even flyer fans knew that BEFORE they even played a single game as a Flyer.
He got lucky with Niskanen....other than that not one good move
Thank God Philly is gonna get Bedard. Him, Cutter & Gunnar Wolfe will turn this team around
HA, Flyers won't come close to landing Bedard. I don't think Bettman would allow it lol.
@Larry N I don't either lol. I have a feeling he's going to Anaheim, just imagine the $$ with Bedard and Zegras together
The question I always ask is if everyone in the hockey world can see bad contracts, why can't Fletcher? The Ristolainen trade and subsequent contract were seen as bad by EVERYONE except Fletcher. How? How can someone be that blind? How is that possible?
The reason why ghost was traded to Arizona was because he was in AV’s dog house.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the Flyers, if Coots and Cam are healthy next season, we'll make the playoffs next season. Our first line would be Tippet-Coots-Atkinson, 2nd line as TK-Hayes-Farabee. Those two lines have the potential to be fantastic. And with Laughton and Frost as your 3rd and 4th line centers, this team could be considerably different next season. The flyers aren't as bad as everyone thinks they are, but the reality is, you cant lose your number 1 winger, center, and d-man basically at the same time, and expect postive results. Glad Fletchers gone though
I think the problems with the Flyers go well past the GMs door, deep into the front office where the culture of this team has held them up for nearly 50 years. Having Clarke, Holmgren and even Breire there stops them from progressing to the skating and skilled players the rest of the NHL embraces- and wins Stanley Cups with. Ownership has no one there who knows hockey like a Montreal or Colorado, and frankly come off as uncaring about it at all. I'd 100% say it had no consequence that a week ago the Rangers fans obliterated Flyer's home ice. Sad, sad ownership compared to the Sixers, Phillies and Eagles.
As a 50 year fan, I see nothing changing by not clearing out every old Flyer from the front office, hiring a top talent evaluator/draft savvy GM, and Comcast selling this team post haste.
I'm strongly thinking Philadelphia would be much better off with the Flyers organization moving out of the city, and a new expansion team move in with new, fresh ideas and zero Flyers organization members involved. After all this time it seems like the only way to achieve an NHL quality organization.
A good hockey franchise will show you the cup ,not a big dry erase board..
While Hexy had a couple bad contracts on his roster, PLEASE go back and consider what a load of bad contracts he inherited from Holmgren. I think Danny Briere will be a huge improvement but he'll be hamstrung by those top three contracts and the only way to move each of those $5M+contracts is with prospects/draft picks... I don't think Briere will go that route either after seeing the Fletcher Fiasco! So it's a long time coming before the Flyers are good again.