Android 18: The Tag Team Top Tier
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2023
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Tracks
(1) Purity and Strictly - Under Night In-Birth
(2) Walking Lily Flower - Under Night In-Birth
(3) Icefield White Knight - Under Night In-Birth 
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Edit: Correction, 16's grab is the fastest at 16 frames as multiple people have pointed out. OOPS
I already have it lolzers!!!!!
LETS GOO
I really don’t wanna Chinese spyware, get that bag tho bro
Too bad the wheel didn't spin to break Goku's leg again
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I love how Bardock’s neutral options are just referred to as “Good Ol’ monkey buttons”.
*monkeying intensifies*
Frieza would be most pleased-
Hey, sometimes you just got to revert back to monkey
Frieza would be happy
Glad to see Android 18 being great in DBFZ.
Maybe a "Why the bottom tier characters right now are bad?"
After the recent patches pretty most characters are very usable now, I'm not expert but instead of a select few being useful pretty much everyone seems to be good now
@@RaifuEnthusiast I don't play the game that much, what are current thoughts on Yamcha ?
@@Greenfinite"pretty much everyone" does not mean everyone...
@@LeFisheboi He could have been part of "pretty much everyone" if at least he gets something then that's what I wanted to know
@@GreenfiniteHe got a rlly sad indirect nerf when everyone got the ability to lvl 1 into lvl 3 since that used to be a yamcha exclusive
I’ve been wondering why she’s at the top of tier lists. This is why I love your videos: they teach me everything about the DBFZ meta.
thanks. yeah shes dummy good now
@@MoldyBageljust buffs for years
@@MoldyBagel just finished watching, damn she’s nutty
@@MoldyBagelShe’s also dummy thi-
do you have like an example tierlist for this season, all i see is so many characters just do shit now and i don't know the general strength of the cast any more besides the characters you've recently made vids on lol@@MoldyBagel
9:55 It's funny how Labcoat was so broken but the devs didn't want to completely nerf her, so they slowly gave other characters her stuff, like Cooler getting the OTG buff like 18 got the (better buff) of barrier into anything she wants.
Honestly, might be the smarter way to do things.
Bring everyone up to the same level instead of slamming one character down.
I suppose it does depend on the game though. Labcoat was way overtuned.
Wait isn't it a theme of Dragon Ball Z
What is OTG?
@@PokefanGuquizUjixyz OTG stands for "off the ground", which means a move that can hit an opponent even after a knockdown. An easy example of this is Lab Coat 21's 22L/M/H (Stomp).
@@imjupid is Cooler's 6H an 'OTG' now, then?
Aside from the really interesting meta info in this video, something else that i find interesting about 18 is related to the release window of Fighterz. When Fighterz came out, Battle of Gods and Resurrection F had come out, and Super had progressed through the Goku Black Arc. But the Tournament of Power arc hadn’t yet aired. As such, 18 was still far and away the most popular of the Androids, at least compared to her brother.
Over the years, 18 was almost always the default pick in DBZ games when picking a representative of the Android arc, after Cell. 16 usually followed, and you sometimes even got Gero before 17. 18 was simply more popular, and she got a ton of team-up moves with 17 anyway. She even got moved like the barrier that technically only 17 ever used in the show, on the grounds that the two almost certainly had the same equipment.
Fighterz is interesting because it straddles the line between that era, and everyone getting hyped for 17 after the Tournament of Power. After his showing in Super, people were excited about him hard-carrying the team to victory at the end. And in a later season of DLC, Fighterz added 17 as a solo character, using moves displayed in super (and in Dragonball Xenoverse of all things). It’s just a sort of a neat time capsule of the time period that DBFZ’s release and support happened in.
I'm also glad she didn't get stuck with her tracksuit design like all the other characters with design changes in super. The tracksuit look didn't exist yet.
I wonder if going forward who’d be the more popular android, 17 or 18
yeah they gave her the design to reflect the era she's inspired by which is nice. and then boom TOP android 17 as a different character and everyone wins
@@frappompi if only they did the same with tien, he’s the only one without his z costume
Your editing genuinely gets better every video, its like you have a time chamber for video making
the trick is i dont sleep :^)
@@MoldyBagel Ahh, the good old insomnia. Never fails.
@@MoldyBagelmost average RUclipsr strat under 10M subs:
It's incredible when you can manage to make someone like me who hasn't played since late season 1/early 2 understand everything, it makes your work come out very solid, thanks for all the effort you put in it :D
:)
WHY DOES ANDROID 17 LOOK LIKE A TOTAL BADDIE IN THE THUMBNAIL
Doesn't she always tho?
17?!?!?!
BOOTY
He always was
@@Robin_RoboutSHE 🗣🗣❓❓🔥🔥
It pays to be middling in tier lists
-it means you can survive the Level 3 mix nerf stick
I think it's cool to see some other characters who struggled with tools to tango with the top tiers get their moment to shine in Season 4+
Hopefully we can really get loose when rollback is finally implemented in 2028 lol
18 proving that it's an endurance race, and not a sprint.
2028?
Such optimism! You love to see it!
@@NiiRubrashe has unlimited stamina, literally
feelsbadman
That's why, contrary to popular belief, you don't want to pick top tiers in fighting games that are currently being updated. You don't know what they could take from you. 18's a great example of why the "inoffensive yet fairly strong mid-high tier" is much better long term. I hope all the people who mained her since season 1 feel lucky, considering they have experience with a character who is really strong now.
Compared to season 1 Android 16 mains, who picked a top tier short-term, but then got nerfed really hard and struggled a long time in the following seasons, the "inoffensive mid tier" is stronger to stick with long-term.
That recreation of the 18 vs Vegeta fight at the start was sick! Kudos to you, Bagel!
I really don't play DBFZ on ranked, and I know almost nothing about combos in fighting games, but your videos are always interesting. Keep up the good work man!
thanks people with little experience are exactly who i'm hoping to appeal to
@@MoldyBagel Your videos always make me go "Hey that's actually pretty easy to understand, i might actually be able to make non auto combos" Seriously they are simple and to the point which i deeply appreciatte
The absolute plot twist of after ALL THAT they never changed her original Really Good Tech
A18 is a really unique character especially for base roster, with extremely specific tools at the cost of stubby normals that for most of the game’s lifetime held her back from top tier status.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the stupid meter gain if you accidentally collided with the barrier though.
yeah i should have mentioned it
So basically 18 got all the meta games under her belt and kept her level 3 mix from Season 1? So she got the DBFZ All Your Powers Combined. Gotcha!
Also Purity Strictly & Icefield White Knight are goated music choices Moldy!
yup, an excellent OST
Excited to learn new things about a character I’ve been playing since launch.
18 in the thumbnail: 17! Trow it back!
17:
Android 18 is such a underused and yet a very good character in DBFZ. Similar to Majin Buu.
Also great video as always!
yoyo thanks sorry i never replied to your email, learning how to make the stage completely derailed the entire video's production lol, i'll hit you up next time i have an idea for something tho :)
@@MoldyBagel No worries ahaha. Learning how to mod isn't easy for sure and the stage looks VERY well done ngl. Respect!👏
Nothing is scarier until it’s buu mix
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Bagel: How The Top-Tier Breakfast Item Rose to Fame
I've played 18 since season 2, and I'm super happy she's great now. Her and 17 are among my favorite characters in the series.
Anyways, you always have good videos so I'm excited to watch this.
Edit: I just finished watching. I knew you could super cancel barrier on whiff, but I had no idea you could special cancel on whiff!
Great vid as always and I'm about to become a lot more evil online 😈
I knew i hadn't seen that stage anywhere! Your editing is peak dude all throughout.
7:38 is straight up a valorant circle smoke lmao
NAH MAN, EVERYTHING LOOKS DOPE
I've never thought of using Piccolo's SBC as a sort of "Vs" Separator, that was a hella cool start to the vid! Something also is that the "Before" and "After" images / text in the bottom right is more prevalent in this vid, probably cause of the lighter tone of the stage. Speaking of IT LOOKS AWESOME AS HELL, simple, clean, and I dig it a lot.
You never miss man, good stuff as always! Very informative info (I actually didn't know a lot of 18's involvement back then to now in the meta compared to the other characters besides how good her snap was) plus the music sync was AWESOME and gave me chills. My favorite moment was probably the 'bygone era' picture at the end, it was really adorable haha
After Blue Vegeta, SS Vegeta and now 18, it seems like whatever characters I feel like learning happen to become top tiers.
I just need something for Base Goku now.
Kaioken Spirit bomb
@@elecspark Still new to the game, so I really don't know what you mean. How are those moves especially broken?
@@JustArten both supers are pretty good in general, and as your last character he can the both of them in one singular combo, leading to VERY heavy damage
Base Goku: The Nuke
8:55 that music sync is pure perfection
I love seeing the intro of all these videos, they keep getting better and better
Finally, the video about the European bargain duo
LOL
Always a good day when a MoldyBagel video shows up on my feed. Always so informative and easy to follow. Also, I gotta commend your taste in music man, feels like I gotta update my DBFZ playlist every time you upload! lmao
UNDER NIGHT MUSIC, WE STAY BALLIN
quality upload as usual, keep up the fantastic work!
You know a video’s gonna be more of a treat than usual if the entire video uses Under Night music.
Love to see you improving your editing every single time you upload homie
That stage mod you made for this is amazing!
thanks king your compliments mean a lot
Hearing Orie’s theme has me so excited for Under Night 2!!
You and me both, buddy.
And we haven’t even heard the new version yet!
I really do appreciate your audio mixing. How you transitioned the pianos in the first song into the second was incredibly clever
thanks that took like 30 minutes. it was really really finicky to get sounding okay it was driving me crazy lol
Yeah, it went from quiet piano to hardcore so i can see why it took some work@@MoldyBagel
Holy shit I have not ever touched a DBZ fighting game but I watched all the way through. Like, WHY?!?
This is just how good this video is. The music, the editing, and just plain-old good info for this game's history records.
Damn. I've been through a ride!
This is so incredibly well made, my god
I swear you make some of the best videos on this whole damn platform. The time and effort you put in is crazy, but definitely appreciated
thanks much i do my darndest
It's back!
I looove that she survived through it all, and just kept assembling relic after relic until this version of Android 18 came out. It's fascinating, as usual, to see the growth of a character through the lens of your equally griwing editing. Thsnk you very much for that ^_^
I can't wait to se if we're gonna get a Kefla one. Gotenks is mah boi, but I'm interested in seeing what makes her special.
One more thing you forgot to mention that makes her TURBO crazy is the meter gen. Your regular combos with 17 summon build about 1.25 bars, loops build almost 2 bars, but the fact you can call in 17 barrier+your own you will build about 2.5~3 bars because your opponent decided to use a beam. It’s so insane how fast she builds meter, you can run her on a heavy meter penalty team like with one of the blue fusions and lab coat and never have to worry about meter. Just build it and destroy your opponent
yeah i went back and forth on mentioning this, i tend not to mention crazy meter gain unless it's in a way that interests me or its really really integral to the character's strength (like 17) although i shoulda at least mentioned that the barrier meter gain was increased at one point irc
@@MoldyBagel I think so? But I think it would’ve been funny to just have one clip of super saiyan vegeta giving 18 7 bars from pressing barrier+ 17 barrier to block the ki blast barrage. Also 18 is a point character so I thought it would’ve been a good thing to mention about her meter gain since the good point characters like ginyu, any vegeta, ssj4 gogeta, etc also build meter in interesting ways (ginyu with assist calls, vegetas with loops and gogeta 4 with combos and his A assist which gives more bar after level 5)
video on how the meter building meta evolved over time when??
7:32
Ah yes, the good ol' "I CAN'T SEE" from Javi.
The creation of these videos just amazes me
STILL the best breakdown video maker i've seen on this site. And I don't even play the game much at all. I just appreciate the quality
thanks a lot, it's a lotta work. worth it tho
I would love to see a tier list video done by you. It'd be the most comprehensive and funniest thing ever.
i miiiight at some point, though tbh i feel like i'm not the person that should be listened to about tier lists. top players are way better than me
@MoldyBagel Maybe, but you are good at breaking stuff down and making it understandable for your audience, as well as simply being entertaining. That's why I watch you!
The lore accurate intro. A+ xD
AMAZING AND COL VIDEO AS ALWAYS
I don't play this game but I just love watching these videos, they're so well made, informative and fun to watch. I would love to see videos like these for other fighting games such as Guilty Gear Strive. Great video as always 👍🔥
11:30 SHHHH. The devs will hear you!
Thank you for solving my character crisis once again!
Fantastic as always
Finally!! Something on 18! Been an 18 main since the game came out and she’s so slept on!
wish I could sleep with her
I KNEW Android 18 was next. You never fail to deliver, man.
thanks :)
This makes my heart happy.
I really appreciate all the work and effort that went into this video, and it definitely made me wanna pick the game up again after avoiding it for so long.
But it also reminded me that this game was always toxic lmao. The metas for every season were always really toxic and not new player friendly, especially as the game kept going into TOD territory.
I really love how much freedom and options we ended up getting in season 3 and onwards but even then people still play the game like they used to.
Infinite loops that lead into TOD’s where you don’t have much time to react to mixups unless you’re really aware of the matchup which would take hundreds of hours.
Haven't been following this game for a while, and that last tier list with Jiren, Ginyu and Beerus at the top while Gogeta and Vegito are in lower tiers (not to mention Bardock dead last) gave me massive whiplash.
That intro was so well animated
Bruh, those intros are amazing! Hey, don't push yourself to hard because you are on fire!
Oh shit nice! 18 was one of my first mains at launch
LETS GO NEW MOLDY VIDEO!
the quality of ur vids its insane
Idk whats the deal, but I keep only playing your videos in the background, and I loves it, even tho now its just music, sfx, and voice lines, something about them is addicting
Super crisp editing… as usual!
thanks my dude
I always say this I don't even play this game but the way the information is presented is so good idc about playing ty bagel
your voice during the ad reads is really nice; i'm surprised that you don't do a voiceover for the rest of your videos
Hey welcome back amigort. Stay safe out there!
I don’t even play fighting games whatsoever but I just watch yours constantly because they’re so damn good
thanks for watching homie
its a good day when modly bagel uploads
Love the Under Night Inbirth soundtrack
THAT INTRO IS INSANE
Android 18 has always been a stample of my team people just cant adjust to her options, So happy to see andorid 18 just keep on getting better!
her level 3 oki was actually nerfed in season 2, it was somehow EVEN BETTER in season 1 'cause she could act the moment she touched the ground. She could set up a meaty medium 17 call both locking your opponent down AND baiting spark at the same time while running some basic mix, or do some disgusting 4-way ambiguous float mix that she can't do today.
This video showcases some of the truly fucked up stuff she could do back in the day: ruclips.net/video/gpmnqcLqbLo/видео.html
wtf this video is sick, dang i wish i had seen it before i made this thanks for bringing it to my attention
6:42 I’m always so surprised when I hear music from my Spotify playlist on videos from content creators I like hahaha. 😊
YESSIR NEW MOLDYBAGEL VIDEO
MoldyBagel reminds me of Asumsaus from the melee community. Both make similiar content and are masters at their craft.
The reason 18 still has her lv 3 is bc she is supposed to be the mix character of the game most of her kit is for that, no character has mix engrained into her moves as 18, even the ones that had better mix in the past has been bc they had really good kits but 18's kit is spexifically made for mix
i genuinely think this might be the only sponsorship i have actually tried after hearing it
Moldy, with the way you breakdown characters and why they're good, I would happily watch you do character breakdowns from games I'm not even remotely interested in, like Strive or UNDER NIGHT IN-BIRTH Exe:Late[cl-r]
ive considered strategies for branching out, although i tend to stay in my wheelhouse after i made one strive video that bombed. i have no qualms with making videos about other games but as long as i keep this as my job i'll probably stick with dbfz unless the channel is like literally dying, since i can't really afford to mess with my income unfortunately
@@MoldyBagel I understand. Either way, your breakdowns are really good.
Damnnn no one gonna talk about how good that intro was??🔥
10:47 Barrier being whiff cancelable has the same mortifying energy as Haggars pipe cancels from MVC3, just utter horror at this mix
I simply see this as being rewarded for sticking with my character, I have been playing her since I first got the game back in early Season 2 and literally NEVER took her off my team, no-one paid attention to her until it was too late and now we’re on the last patch >:)
as a bluku main I agree
Ok this is by far the best video I’ve seen so far! 🤘🏼 Also 18 is pretty gnarly crazy character with her mix ups and tools that she’ll become a huge threat! 🫨 also spectacular as always moldy bagel! 👍🏻! (Also I’ve just reached 1k subs!)
yo gratz on 1k my homie that's super hype
@@MoldyBagelthank you! 🥲you were always a huge a inspiration to me! And I promise I’ll keep up the grind!💪🏼
As always you're bringing the heat with each new video you release it just gets better and better. But I was wondering would it be possible to cover (anchor) Tien one day? I know he's not that popular, but like no one meter dumps as good as him.
im not sure what angle to take with tien cuz his kit is so straightforward, thats kinda the roadblock i'm at. open to recommendations tho about what makes him unique and a good video idea
@@MoldyBagelYou would not believe how many rough drafts I just went through just so I could respond so I'll keep it short this time. (Try to).
He's extremely beginner friendly to both noobs and people picking new mains, QCFM would be it's own segment on how amazing it is. It has guard point, and M/H follow ups deal MASSIVE damage and built in Goku A assist meter gain now. B assist makes cracked Nappa Saibaman mix up/reset and he's notorious for his level 1 and 3's damage. Chiaotzu could be his own segment as well. He may not be meta defying but he's an underdog and I want more people to appreciate him. He can easily be glue that holds your team together. Thanks for even considering him Bagel. Keep up the fantastic content!
I stopped played after season one because of the lack of rollback, but A18 was one of my favorite characters to use when I was playing. Glad to know that she has been eating well.
Yeah baby,this is what I’ve been wait for, this is what it’s all about
The DBZ fight recreation looks great!
Oh wow Orie's theme from under night very nice to see
stopped playing the game since i moved because my wifi is real bad now but i used to play with android 18 with my simple no dlc game
and as a bad player, i'm really happy that she's that good
never played this game (probably never will). But you're video are so interesting and well realized, I love watching them !
The quality of this dudes videos is wild now
Your so good at this i literally dont even own the game and i understand the meta without watching any videos but yours
heck yeah
This is Toadally Awesome
THANKS YOU FOR
1:making a video about that legend
2:making me discover new BANGER music
listen to the whole ost it slaps
@@MoldyBagel I would yeah, at this rate I use your video more for Music research than for the character itself
Toadally awesome video
That intro alone went hard ngl
New upload, pog
now for the ultimate video
bardock: a brilliant monkey
it's fuckin scary how Android 18 has only been middling in season one, and from all seasons onward she had some kind of tool to greatly assist in the seasons meta and being one of the ONLY characters that got to keep the nutty level three mix throughout the lifespan of DBFZ
oh under night in birth based
17 looking caked up in the thumbnail
I love seeing an add for opera while using opera. Jokes aside banger video like usual bagel
LETS GOO MOLDY UPLOADED
At this point, I'm just convinced that Moldy is just making a video on everyone being top tier.
nah, i just usually go thru the top tiers first cuz i think they get the most views, 18 jiren and beerus are the only three that are truly a cut above in this patch imo
So... A18 is like... a tour through all the games metas?
She got a bit of everything that has been good.