Gun Supporting Americans First Time See | Jim Jefferies - Gun Control (Part 2)
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Ah America!
The only country where it's their RIGHT to own a gun but a privilege to have health care 🤷♂️
Afghanistan?
@minidraco2601 maybe I should have rephrased it to 'the only developed country'.
Out of all the countries in the world to compare the U.S. and their stupid Laws regarding healthcare and guns, you could only come up with Afghanistan 🇦🇫 🤣🤣
Let that sink in!
only somalia and the US has no paid maternity leave@@minidraco2601
@@minidraco2601Afghanistan has health care. Underfunded but even them have it better than you people.
I respect you for taking this on. However, there are a couple of things I found problematic with your response. In particular, your insistence that people who live in other countries opinions are partially invalidated because they 'don't think like Americans'. This American exceptionalism is toxic. You guys aren't different. You are exactly the same as everyone else. This belief that some things won't work because ...America? It just locks you into a circular argument where your solution to a problem is more of the very thing that caused the problem in the first place.
I think you might also have missed the point above the Black market comments. No one is saying that the prices in the US would be the same as in Australia - but because they would be illegal purchases, they would be more expensive that what they are now. The more expensive something is, the fewer people will by them.
Finally, the comment about criminals always getting access to guns. True - but the experience of countries with that level of gun control is that criminals rarely use them on 'civilians'. The risk / benefit analysis for them is that the risk of being caught and the severity of the sentence when convicted is significantly higher if they use a firearm. Accordingly, guns are usually only used against other criminals. This is why British police can continue to be primarily unarmed, even though gangs have ready access to illegal weapons.
and they have the same mental health problems that every other country does, and every other country has doors too
A couple of things
Remarkable isn’t it considering that most Americans have never left their own country. 😂
He really need to start listening. In 2020 guns became the leading cause of death for children in the US, surpassing that of motor vehicles.
I repeat "In 2020 guns became the leading cause of death for children in the US, surpassing that of motor vehicles."
And Americans are quick to forget, that majority of Americans do want less guns and stricter gun laws and in a democracy, that should happen. And I haven't heard anyone suggest that all the guns should be taken away from everybody. Only to make getting a gun More difficult and not to give those assault weapons to anyone other than the army. Civilians don't need them.
Honestly never seen a dude say things like "he's right, I can't argue' while continuing to miss the point so bad.
Facts
I try to take solace in the fact that he is so young, but then I think about the people who aren't as young and blissfully naive who tout the same arguments that their offspring keep passing on down the line. The world doesn't learn together, we are inherently bad at learning from others' and even our own mistakes.
I feel bad because there is obviously a lot of trauma behind the secured stance on guns because he almost got killed in a fight. I know this is a foreign thought to someone who truly believes in guns but if you had a gun (at 15 nonetheless) and shot and killed someone who only wanted your money, you realize that you have to live with that, right? Even surviving and killing your assailant will fuck you up if you are a sane human being. That's why most of your veterans have PTSD. You can't take a homeless veteran and put them in a school with a gun and expect them to save the day. They are homeless because they are fucked up from killing and trying to not get killed and can't function properly in society anymore. They would probably shoot more kids than the actual kids would.
@@huhmz Yep. He might be young, but I’d put good money on the fact that everything he’s saying here is what his Daddy said to him his whole life…
@@joshkleine21 probably but it was reinforced with him being mugged at 15 sadly.
@@huhmz true, but even using that experience as justification is misguided because he said that if he had a gun on him he would have been safe, but the flip side is if his assailant had a gun on him instead of a machete he, his dog or both of them may well have been killed.
I love how jim destroys all his arguments without even being in the room.
I think you missed a point - Australia did not, and has not banned guns. You may own guns. They are registered to you. You are solely responsible for the safe storage and usage of said guns. You can shot at rifle ranges, be part of gun clubs and be a gun user. However, YOU are the person responsible for that gun. You cannot own military style weapons (why do you need one anyway? Join the military if you want to use one). You must pass government checks, and maintain your registration. If anything happens to those guns, the police MUST be informed, and your rights to maintain your registration and ownership is reviewed….thoroughly. I have the right to bear arms, but also the responsibility to bear them safely, usefully and always in controlled circumstances. It’s interesting that you say we all make the same points. We get distressed seeing the same horrible things happen over and over to you (as Americans as a whole) and you as a society making the same tired excuses as to why you cannot look past the singular and work to benefit the whole. My rights as a citizen must also include my willingness and responsibility to uphold and protect the rights of every single person who lives in my society. This includes the rights of everyone to live a safe, healthy and long life. I don’t live my life with the mentality that someone’s out to get me, be it government or criminal. I treasure my peace of mind, and the knowledge that kids in my town will never have to worry about some nutter is going to come in and shoot them dead in their classroom, or having to think about what they would have to do about surviving such a scenario. Parents in my town don’t ever have to worry about getting a call to come to the school, and watch other parents being called forward to collect their children, then realising that their child is never coming home. And the reason we don’t is because we watched it happen once, and decided it should never happen again. Change is an act of will. It’s not about ‘it could never work here’. You, as a society, has decided that the safety and security of your children are not as important as your right to own shiny bits of metal. That is what we see. The first step out of addiction is to admit you have a problem.
Agreed.
Well said
Spot on
Aussie gun owner since I was 16 and it's been 40yrs now . Mainly hunting Feral Animals cats , dogs , pigs , buffalo , deer , foxes , scrub bulls etc . The main difference between America and Australia is the reasons to own one . Personal protection is not our reasons as we don't need it .
Good words, said well
People aren’t different. You freely admit that you don’t know about other countries and then say that Americans are different. The laws we have in Australia will work in America. The fact that you would be willing to be involved in a civil war to keep your guns is one of the real reasons that you can’t be trusted with them.
He never said that he would support a civil war !
It was so funny how he kept walking right into Jim's next joke. He paused it every time and jim kept shutting it down every time as soon as he hit play.
Never seen anyone say he's making good points while simultaneously missing or dismissing all of them.
You are absolutely right... Australians dont think like Americans - and thank God! We actually have intelligence... Australians
Value each other - we dont fucking kill each other, or declare war on each other - we have zero need for guns, get it.... My mother once said - it's best you let people think ur stupid than open ur mouth and prove it xx
It is honestly heartbreaking to hear the defence of firemarms from an American. You have deep wounds in you, that is clear.
That paranoia is something you have been taught by a circumstance that that is the whole problem.
The weapons you think you need are "needed" because America has issues the rest of the world doesn't have.
America has dug itself a killing pit and you think you need a weapon because you are in that pit. Instead of seeing that it is the hole you have dug that is the whole problem.
The weapons aren't the issue.
As an American, we NEED to stop saying "But other places aren't like America." In some ways that's true because nowhere else in the world has massacres like this!!! We're no more special than any other country, republic, or empire that's ever existed. We're just a country that came into being by happenstance and luck like every other nation in the history of the world. What worked in other countries CAN work here. I know we'll never get rid of all guns because the culture is too deeply embedded, but we NEED strict, controlled regulation. The fact that as a 23 year old i could only legally drink 2 years ago and can't rent a car, but I could just decide to buy an assault rifle tomorrow and have it a few days from now is ridiculous!!
And better gun regulation isn't something I'm fighting hence why i really wasn't arguing that. but my point in saying America isn't like other places is. Bro we have people who would rather die then loose guns. We have cops openly admit they would never take anyone's gun and would fight to keep anyone's gun. Name me another place like that if you can hey more power to you but dude lets be honest as a country we are in a fucked place and to me the only way to fix it is by fixing the people so they dont feel like they would rather die then loose their guns
And that same argument was probably used about slaves
@@DudeSaysThings
Jim Jeffries description how Australiens reacted to change the gun laws in Australia back in the 90s is a little over the top.
to get an wider picture of how Australia viewed it and viewed the after math.
I recommend like some other comment sugested before me
John Oliver's Australia & Gun Control's Aftermath ( ruclips.net/video/A0FLsIzNxkI/видео.html )
@@DudeSaysThings The US always argues, "It wouldn't work here" - But the vast majority of 1st world countries have serious gun control, all 1st world countries also have universal health care, but "It won't work here" -
If it really can't work in the US, then I have to question, are you claiming to be a different species? It isn't that it can't work in the US, it is that the US needs to accept it has issues and change.
I come from a gun toting frontier country that was tamed by the gun - but - we grew up !
You, as a society, has decided that the safety and security of your children are not as important as your right to own shiny bits of metal. That is what we see. The first step out of addiction is to admit you have a problem.
We need gun control. It wouldn't be THE beginning, but it would be A beginning. (WOT lovers unite!!!)
The Americans see themselves as Clint Eastwood in A Fistful of Dollars,the rest of the world sees them as Yosemite Sam
By saying “what works in other countries won’t work in America” doesn’t make sense.
America is literally doing nothing, so you cannot say it won’t work. 🤷🏻♂️
We don't think like you do so it wouldn't work for example you guys didn't have so many people who would rather die then lose there gun
Not sure of your country of origin, but if you're in the EU or Commonwealth nations? The only reason you can voice an opinion is via US patriots taking up arms to liberate and protect your rights... who will protect your rights against State Authoritarians? The law is what they make it... how do you resist unjust laws when the means of resistance are reserved for the State?
@@jessmarks2214 do you think the US won the war by themselves?
Keep your egotistical claptrap under control.
Then, you go on to infer that by "delivering" the right to freedom of speech, you have a right to shut it down, if you don't agree with it.
Take off your MAGA hat and give your head a wobble.
@@slayerrocks2 Yep, the US via Lend Lease to the USSR, UK and commonwealth countries kept these nations in the game and when, reluctantly, they provided military power fucked the Axis Powers... give me an alternative explanation?
@@jessmarks2214 "The only reason you can voice an opinion is via US patriots taking up arms to liberate and protect your rights.. "
Now you want to change that to the financial aspect. Well it wasn't for free. The last of the debts were only paid off in recent years.
Plus, America put feet on the ground in response to Russian success against the Nazis, and we couldn't allow Russia and communism to be the sole saviour of western Europe now could we?
As for the second part;
What good is a pea shooter against drones and armoured vehicles?
All of your money and capital wealth is stored electronically. That tap can be turned of by your government.
That is without going into whether compliance from the forces and police, is guaranteed.
It is a pissy weak argument from people scraping around for a reason to hang on to their steel comfort blankets.
The most disturbing part of your reaction, "I do not know a lot about other countries" ...but in the same breath you say we think different! And honestly you are the type of person I would not give a gun too!
Yeah, I caught that too. Had some very strong opinions on the differences of countries and their people and yet admits to not knowing much of anything about them. Reminds me of the people who keep telling people to "Do your own research!" and yet do no research of their own. They just think they know everything. I know it was probably just a brain fart but not being able to come up with Scottish for a minute was a sign of this as well. haha
@@MysterClark Yeah, he kept saying that the other countries are different and not the same. True, but still by some reason every other civilized thing like etical work enviroment, human rights and so are still the same. We don't think differently of what is normal. We just trying to move on from the past while the US seems like being stuck.
Simple, the guys a jerk. Has no idea of anything outside his immature community but insists on his ability to comprehend reality. How was the reaction on changing the amendment. Like this idiot is the fuckwit who should have been screened.
Its simple, we are different, other countries do not think school shootings are ok and are willing to stop them by any means necessary. In the states people think that "it's bad, but no one I know got killed, so just ignore it and hope it goes away"
I have 9 yrs military experience, having said that assault weapons and hand guns do not belong in the hands of civilians. I try very hard not to be critical of anyone willing to put themselves out there like you have making these videos. However I have to agree with almost everyone in this comment section regarding your views of American exceptionalism. Everytime you try to make a point you contradict yourself without even realizing it.
"You don't think the way we do" well thank god for that! We're sane over here. We care more about people's lives than bloody gun ownership. You're all crazy to think any differently.
We can boil your argument down to "Don't take my guns".
Do you know, that every country out there that has banned guns, still has guns? You can still own a shotgun, a rifle for sport, hunting etc. Guns still exist, and you can defend yourself from the hordes of ravenous bears that attack you every week if you fill in some simple forms. Of course you could look at what works with bears, like automated light and sound devices, cameras, secure bunkers if it's that bad. Maybe the bears teamed up with the wolves and lions and have assault weapons.
Or you could admit that the number of times you NEED a gun compared to the number of times you WANT a gun is actually very small.
Well said .. and Greetings from the developed world
Well, maybe people want guns, what’s wrong with that? They’re cool. I certainly wouldn’t want my country to be like the USA, but I’m happy there is some sort of haven for gun lovers in the world
@@krystiankowalski7335 There is nothing wrong with wanting guns, just freely admit that you want guns and cut down on the fake bs excuses for why you need them. You also have to admit that while you are happy for the US to be a haven, you have to acknowledge the thousands of deaths every year as a consequence of that decision, including children and innocent bystanders.
Actions and decisions have consequences. Many countries gave up their "right" to walk around with swords, knives and guns and as a consequence see much less death and destruction. Others like the US, parts of the Middle East, parts of Africa, and parts of Central and South America either cannot or will not do the same, and the results are obvious.
Looking in from the outside (U.K.) it appears that the US view is that there has to be a very strong reason not to allow someone to have a gun, whereas over here, there has to be a very very good reason to have a gun, and then it has to be stored safely.
Regarding the Mafia Boss, we “resolved” that problem by ensuring any crime that included gun use means a much heavier sentence. The criminal does not need a gun as neither the householder or the police are going to have a gun. They would only be “needed” when going up against another gun owning criminal. Sure it doesn’t work instantly or 100% but a start has to be made somewhere.
From a Yorkshireman’s point of view I agree, I live in a rural area and people have guns, mostly farmers for pest control or shooting for game (pheasant, rabbit etc) that’s it. We don’t see people walking the street open carrying a rifle or a side arm wearing a bullet proof vestetc, we feel very safe. The gun is designed for one purpose and that is to kill. The stats I think prove the point, as of June 2022 267 deaths by mass shootings and 14 mass murder (though what’s the difference I don’t know). UK ZERO....number of children killed (0 - 12 yo) in the US by guns 164 and 337 injured UK ZERO, number of children killed (12 - 17yo) 596 and 1,576 injured UK ZERO. This is barely 6 months into the year, how can the US live with themselves on this record.
I wouldn’t take this guys opinion as the general consensus of Americans, he’s more on the “extreme” perspective. Between gun control advocacy and radicalism (AKA gun toting tobacco chewin’ ‘murican’s).
In reality, it’s significantly divided, to a point to where there really isn’t a consensus at all… with recent developments here in the US it would almost seem that the majority wants heavier gun control thanks to the inadequacy of a certain police department dealing with a certain incident… in which a person who wasn’t even a police officer had to be the one to save a bunch of children because they wouldn’t.
Maybe they were scared or something, or maybe they were using the tragedy to push some sort of political agenda, who knows, I wouldn’t put it passed them at this point.
@@johnmansell5097 don't keep giving numbers and stats to those poor guys! ;) Lol
If they cared about those horrendus numbers they would be asking some other countries, with way better numbers, how did they managed to do it! And, if they cared about stats, they would have done that yearssss ago, because they are clear as water!! But they don't care, because.. well.. they don't think like the rest ( of almost the entire world!). They also seem to get numb to those shootings! It sometimes seems that someone on the other side of the world is more shaken with people, children dying in a shooting in the US, than some peopple IN the US!!
Ah! And this one is just great: A cop (captain? Sheriff??) saying (publicly for the looks of it) that he would not enforce one specific law if it got out!?!?!? He would actually fight with the crying babies that feel strong IF they have a gun ( or 10 for some) against it?? Well... if this happened in a country where peopple think differently, he would have been fired on the spot! He is there to enforce the law, not to choose the ones he likes best( if he doesn't like it i'm sure he is free to resign) !! But in the US he is probably still working, and maybe even got a promotion from the guns lobby (that they don't even know they have!) guys for beeing a true American!!
And that Mafia guy?? Of course he knows better! He actually knows how they think in the US!!! Of course he knows better than all those other peopple, in all those other countries.. even some countries where guns have been a problem ( not like the US probably), and managed to figured out a way to solve things!! What do this arrogant peopple know about the US's way of thinking???
One last word:
INDOCTRINATED
He needs a gun because he interacts with the mafia, bears and wolves on a regular basis. Especially that one time when he was 15 and therefore couldn't own a gun, even though the constitution doesn't put an age limit on Amendment 2.
@@johnmansell5097 Some states have very heavy gun sentences... funny enough, they have more gun violence... Like New York and Illinois
You’re not wired differently. You’re human beings just like everyone else on the planet. You just happen to place more importance on guns, money and a flag than you do each other.
Totally agree with you the world definitely doesn't think like gun owning Americans - the rest of the world would never protect a gun over a child
A few points;
1) Mental health is a very complex issue, many serial killers are seen by their friends and neighbours as perfectly normal. People's personal circumstances can change in a second. You could have a person who has no history of mental illness and exhibits no signs that they are a danger. Then suddenly there is a change in their life and they snap. Just how would you monitor them?
2) Most Americans are proud of their military and brag that they could kick anybody else's a$$ in the world. But somehow they feel that they and their buddies can beat that same military in a gun fight. Have you seen the equipment the American military have? People in the military are trained to obey the chain of command. Have you heard of the Kent state shootings when the national guard shot unarmed students based on the commands of their officers. If the military were called in to disarm people they would not send those with connections to the area the action was taking place. Instead they would be used in places they had no connections to. In the Civil war people shot friends, family and neighbours and they were to all extent a civilian force. As far as I'm aware civilians in the US do not have access to military aircraft and helicopters.
3) Yes criminals will always have guns, they do in countries where there is strict gun control. However they use those guns on other criminals to maintain their turf. They know that if they kill none criminals, even by accident, the the whole force of society will come down on them like a ton of bricks. They also know that if they are caught with a weapon then their sentence increases considerably. The reason why guns are so expensive on other countries black markets is that the sentences for supplying illegally are very heavy and so the risk increases. In many countries if you are found to have supplied a gun that kills or injures somebody then you are charged as if you were involved in the incident.
1. those are very few. No law or solution is perfect.
@@autohmae 24,292 gun death suicides per year is hardly very few. Some of those are suicide by police and some of those involve mass shootings. 698 mass shootings in 2021 with 705 killed and 2,830 wounded are hardly a few. 27 school shootings so far this year. These are hardly very few.
In nearly all cases the weapons were obtained legally. Yes no law or solution is perfect but from the numbers that are seen every year current laws and solutions are not working at all.
@@stephenhodgson3506 I was only responding to your point 1, I'm saying. it's only very few who really go crazy without any sign of trouble. But it does mean you'll have to question every student maybe a few times per year. Or have teachers who are attentive and notice when a student is less happy, etc. PS I think you should look up the word suicide, I think you might have used it wrong by accident in your comment.
@@autohmae We're talking teenage students here dealing with puberty when their hormones are all over the place. Average High School size in the US 850 students. Schools are already underfunded and if you keep pilling pressure on underpaid already stressed out students and administration staff they are the ones who just might snap. Who do you suggest constantly checks them?
@@stephenhodgson3506 then solve the underfunded/underpaid problem first
The irony of what you are saying at 1:00 is that America has been trying to tell other countries what to do for decades. Also your car analogy doesn’t work because you can’t just go to Walmart and get one and drive away. You have to go through testing to make sure you’re even capable of driving responsibly
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And if you're found to be driving dangerously or under the influence, you can have your licence revoked & car impounded, regardless of whether you actually caused any injury or damage.
The car analogy was just moronic.
its funny to see you become more and more defensive the more points Jim makes. You're not difference from the rest of us, Americans are just socially conditioned differently and you are not told much about the rest of the world, whereas we are aware of what is outside of our borders.
This kid is the poster child for American education.
"You guys don't think like Americans"
Maybe that's both the problem and the solution?? 🤔
You guys think like people - yes. Yes we do. Solution right there.
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Like he says, we all think different - American, British, Scottish, etc... but we all die human. So we die the same but think radically differently? Riiiight...
@@kieranvalmont9233 ummm... yes
. That's right.
Yes, the argument is not really legit that we all are different. Yeeaah we all, but we all could agree that slavery is bad. We all could agree that war is bad! We all could agree that cruelty and butchering is bad because we are all civilized people, we all know what is good for us, what is good for everybody. The US isn't that different, they just 'want' to be that different, keeping their pride. I'm sorry to say this, but every Americanism that you find on the internet is all about the American pride. And not the 'We can't change that, this doesn't work here."
Colombine, Virginia Tech, Parklands, Stoneman Douglas, Robb.
As an Aussie I shouldn't know any of these names
Can the average American name even one school in Australia or The UK.....I bloody doubt it.
A large amount of US citizens already own handguns so I'd say its probably impossible to get try and get rid of all of them....So don't.
All civilians with out a criminal record or a mental health history, that wants to feel safe should be eligible to own a handgun.
You can't walk into a school and shoot dozens of people with a hand gun.
You can't check into a hotel room and open fire killing 60 music festival goers with a hand gun and you can't walk into a nightclub and kill 49 and injure 53 with a fucking hand gun.
As long as The USA continues to manufacture and sell vile, putrid and fucking unnecessary guns to civilians capable of pumping out extreme amounts of bullets. Then the rest of the world will continue to learn names of more of your Country's schools.
Anyone that can stand by hear about about kids getting their heads 'literally blown off' and at the same time, support and fight for the right to own these sort of weapons, is Nothing but an evil, unsympathetic, fucking sociopath.
Agreed. And what is worse is that if the UK ever agrees a free trade agreement with the USA, heaven forefend, then those sociopathic attitudes & free access to guns will be imported to the UK along with shockingly low standards of food production & animal welfare. The UK is almost an elected dictatorship now. Deregulation is well underway & the C & U Party is in the process of divorcing the UK from the European Court of Human Rights (nothing to do with the European Union) & once that has happened the last protection that the population has from full on exploitation is also gone. Workers rights went out of the window years ago because the C & U Party works in favour of Corporate interests & against the interests of the population. This is the USA model. Capitalist propaganda & oppression is no different than Communist propaganda & exploitation. The UK has already lost freedom of movement & freedom of free peaceful assembly & freedom of expression is in the firing line because it trusted criminals to govern but those criminals only rule. Democracy is dead & gone in the UK because its rulers follow the USA model of oppression. The average USA citizen is not free but a wage slave. Only the very rich are free to do as they please at the expense of the underprivileged average American & UK citizen. Government imposed poverty in the USA is being mirrored in the UK. Hands across the ocean folks. Vote, while you still can for substantial reform & for worker & human rights. Campaign to clean up politics. S.O.S.
Too right mate.
Truth! The problem is, America 🇺🇸 is ruled by the capitalist greed for the dollar - which produces a society of evil, unsympathetic, greedy, fucking sociopaths! (Trump is THE poster boy and look how great that went when given too much power)... so, hence why the majority of the people cannot trust their government - and feel the need to constantly be ready to protect themselves. It's total insanity because the care and wellbeing of people is not the priority, sadly money and profit is - at ANY cost! Freedumb, indeed!!! The USA is headed for civil war pt2. It's pretty obvious where it's headed if there isn't a revolution to get some sanity back.
Every child in the USA will have their guts shot against classroom walls before they'd even think about gun law reform.
Absofuckinglutely! Any society that puts their selfish need to own a gun ahead of children's lives is morally bankrupt. Any society that normalises shooter drills in schools is reprehensible. Any society that traumatizes their children by sending them to school knowing there is a chance they will be shot is uncivilized.
Holy shit, we got to the most accurate part of the video. "I'm stupid and I don't know much." We know mate.
I appreciate that you are for gun control. Everything you said you agree with about background checks etc is great to hear. Just so you know, in Australia we had a buy back scheme so the government was paying people to surrender their semi automatics. It wasn't a forcible taking of peoples guns. There was also quite a long amnesty period before they were illegal.
Cars are a terrible example.
What is the design purpose of a car?
To transport people in relative safety.
What is the design purpose of a gun? To kill.
I understand how young people view guns. They excited me when I was a kid. As a parent of young children at the time of the Dunblane massacre in Scotland, my view changed drastically. We mature and priorities change. Unfortunately, not everyone does, and your country has a large proportion of people who are obsessed with guns, and don't want to give them up.
That means they will always be available to those who shouldn't have access to them.
Many people today form an opinion, and choose "facts" to support it, rather than obtain facts and then form an opinion.
The key to making good decisions is to make the journey to opinion, not try to justify why you're there.
The same people who are pro-gun are those who claim mental health is the problem. They are also the same people who don't want to pay more taxes, to provide the network to support mental health, and reduce social and economic reasons for mental health problems and by extension, crime.
As a nation, the US promotes inequality, envy, selfishness, greed, isolation, poverty and fear.
If you can significantly change that, then guns would not be such a huge issue. A bit like Switzerland.
Until then, the problems will only get worse, for all but the very wealthy, who can isolate themselves from the carnage, and those who aren't afraid to emigrate, and have the means to.
Very well said. I couldn't agree more you.
In addition, to own a car you need to pass an exam showing that you know how to control it, you will have it taken off you if you use it while under the influence and you need to have your car licenced to you and maintained on a regular basis. If guns had even that level of control then the issue would be lessened.
👏 Well said, very well said.
While I mostly agree with you, especially with the last paragraph, car's ARE deadly because humans are stupid. In the US and other countries, everyone is on their phones, drunk and so forth, resulting in car accidents that get themselves and other people killed. Guns are the same way. A gun is a neutral object, its the person who chooses to point it at someone. A gun can act as a deterrent, or be used to hunt and provide food. Don't get me wrong, I fully support strict gun laws, but its not just the gun that's the issue, its stupid people who are in possession of a gun.
@@aidenharvey3784 respectfully, I disagree.
People own cars to fulfil a totally benign need.
If some use them recklessly, yes they are a problem that needs addressing. You wouldn't ever consider banning private transport though, because it would ruin people's lives and bring industry to a grinding halt.
There is too big of a case in favour of cars.
Guns' primary objective is causing death. Some are used in hunting, and under tight controls, that could continue. Not something I'm in favour of, but I understand that a small percentage of people live off the land, or control animal populations.
As a sport, it is unnecessary, especially if it results in illegal trade or use. Is it a risk worth taking?
If necessary, have hunting lodges that store them, to keep them out of homes.
The number of US gun deaths suggests that too many incompetent or malicious people have access, to warrant the feasibility of continued availability, without accepting eye-watering statistics.
Imagine if any other hobby resulted in tens of thousands of deaths. How quick would that be stopped?
You can't even buy Kinder Eggs in the US, because an unsupervised child may choke.
Yet you have superstores with a greater choice of ammunition than cheeses.
You keep missing the point so hard every time you say 'ban guns' instead of 'gun control'. It's not about banning guns, it's about making sure those idiots do not get them and it's harder for criminals to get them. In Australia we have more gun ownership now than ever before and yet our rate of gun related violence is almost insignificant. This story has played out the same in almost every other developed country. US Americans are the outlier here.
Yer you still have guns in the UK and nz for hunters they are not completely banned just restricted and its illegal to carry a concealed weapons wich is just common sense
@@meganmills5412 Biggest problem with Americans is education or rather lack of. Teach them to think better and common sense laws would be introduced. Cultures the world over prove that it works, each of them has a different way of thinking too.
If by thinking better means that they will think more like other countries then they're perfectly happy not thinking at all. They're too proud to admit their way is wrong.
@@Wartankadin Pride, the first sin and the one from which all others originate. Many people need to learn or remember scientific thinking. The idea is not to search for proof of your theory, but rather try and disprove yourself. Constantly challenge your way of thinking to ensure that you have the best possible position on a batter and do not be afraid to change your mind if you find yourself wrong.
I don't mean to sound mean....but ..you've got a lot to learn about life. I'm sorry you got attacked when you were 15. But...if you had a gun then (at age 15 mind you), do you really think it would have made that situation better? You mentioned concealed carry. So this guy wouldn't have even known you had a gun. What would you have done...whip out the gun every time you felt threatened? What if everyone did that? Let's say you stayed calm, and didn't whip out the gun right away, the knife comes out, the dog attacks. Then what? While your dog is wriggling on his arm or leg, you're going to calmly take a crack shot and kill him? Not hit the dog. Not miss and have the bullet ricochet and possibly hit someone else. Not fumble around and maybe even have it taken away? Do you see where I'm going with this??? Would having a gun for that situation really make it better???
Let's say...you pull it out, actually hit the guy. No dead dog. No ricochet. No fumbling the gun away in the heat of the moment. Now you've shot someone. Maybe even killed them. I'm sure you're thinking that would be a better outcome right? Wrong. It won't change that it happened. It won't change the psychological damage you feel. In fact, it would be much much worse. And if you think, no it wouldn't be worse. Then you're the type of person who shouldn't own a gun
Well said!👏
Sad to say but his age is meaningless. You’d think older guys would learn more and become less paranoid but I’ve found it’s the opposite in America. a lot of the die hard gun nuts are super old guys it’s useless arguing either way with them they take everything so personally and get angry so fast. Honestly as an American it’s so sad and frustrating at the same time. I live abroad now and my blood boils every time I read comments from my fellow Americans. It genuinely feels like the conservative ones are all genuinely crazy and the only sane people are not my own people are are the “different” ones. It’s quite sad actually because I don’t truly fit in to the culture in my new country of the Netherlands due to language and other factors but I also don’t fit in back home especially in my small conservative town. It’s quite sad
“You guys don’t think like Americans.” Exactly! That’s the point; Americas way of thinking is wrong!
I gave you a chance, both videos. But, it's hard to listen to your logic. Your only reason for guns is wildlife, which is only a problem for 1% of the population. You also argue that the criminals will still have guns, so no point... THE CRIMINALS AREN'T THE ONES DOING ALL THE MASS SHOOTINGS!! Not one of the 400 mass shootings this year was done by a career criminal. FACT.
Thank you. This video was such a waste of my time!
Wait.... a mass shooter is not a criminal?
Mind blown.
@@PTP54112 mass shooters typically aren't criminals yet, otherwise they wouldn't be a surprise. Absolutely zero mass shooters are ex cons.
@@PTP54112 the problem are the socially awkward kids who are bullied and have access.
@@FIVE_LIKES they actually are rarely surprises. Are people surprised that it happened? Sure, just as much as they are surprised by a massive car pileup on the freeway that kills a bunch of people.
But in pretty much all events, there is a clear series of signs that something could or would happen, and nobody provided the individual with the help they needed for the event to not happen.
I see you are now trying to make a distinction between 'convicted' criminals (ex-cons) and criminals, when it doesn't actually make a difference. Its also a false statement that no mass shooters are ex-cons, but you're clearly just thinking about school shootings and not all mass shootings like you actually said, but I'll not get into that argument with you, just ignoring it. Another instance of you trying to state facts without proper distinction, or even understanding of the actual facts or what a fact even is.
A criminal is a criminal, whether they've been convicted before or not.
A teenager who brings guns into a school is a criminal whether he ends up shooting anyone or not. Even if no one ever even knows he brought it in at all.
By the time these kids have shot their first victim, they have already broken numerous laws, and that's just in acquiring the guns and bringing them to a school building. In fact, some of them very likely actually WOULD HAVE been ex cons if they weren't still juveniles.
You can sympathize with whatever reasons are given as to why they did it all you want, with their age or their mental state or lack of 'known' criminal behaviour, but it doesn't change the FACT that they were criminals before they pulled the trigger.
Question: Don't you think the same arguments that you are making now weren't made in Australia and New Zealand before they banned guns? They said, "yeah it works in the UK, but our culture is different."
The US always argues, "It wouldn't work here" - But the vast majority of 1st world countries have serious gun control, all 1st world countries have universal health care, but "It won't work here" -
If it really can't work in the US, then I have to question, are you claiming to be a different species? Should the US be allowed to continue to exist? It isn't that it can't work in the US, it is that the US needs to accept it has issues and change.
Question did they have so many people who would die before they give up their guns like we do
@@DudeSaysThings Not as many as the US, but Aus went from an average of 1 mass shooting a year to none. Zero, not a single mass shooting since the gun ban.
I am not saying the US would mass shooting free, but I am pretty certain the rates would go down dramatically.
@@DudeSaysThings And gun culture was pretty engrained in Australia, large urban areas and lots of rural area between.... with animal that are out to kill ya.
I have hear Australians describe themselves as the British equivalent of Texans. (some will take offense at that as Aussies aren't British at all)
Right but tell me this. And tbh banning guns for me is a hell no some gun control I can support but banning guns is just a fk no. But tell me what do you think the real issue is the guns or the people who are mentally unstable and want to do these awful things. For example my parents growing up didn't even imagine school shootings they still had guns. If the guns never changed it means somewhere something went worng with the people so instead of banning guns ensure everyone who gets a gun is mentally stable and understands why it's so important to correctly secure firearms. While we have that in place focus where there issues are coming form and address that. Then gun ownership would drop alot because people won't feel like they need them to protect themselves and we have way less people who want to shoot up anyone or anywhere in the first place. Don't take guns form everyone just put things into place to make sure mentally sane people are getting guns and work on helping those who need the help to have a better life and get to the point where harming anyone isn't even a desire. Would it be hard and take time of course but it would solve all these issues and more and make the USA a much better place to live
@@DudeSaysThings It costs money to treat mental health issues. Reform your healthcare and fix the problem with mental health. The American system is wrong, as proved by the rest of the world. Learn from older countries.
Notice how you always feel the need to pause when Jim starts a joke before hearing the punchline & you go “ooooh, right”
Insecurity, I'd call it.
Of course Americans have to solve their on gun problem but the logic behind "you don't think like Americans" is the reason Albert Einstein said :
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.
If you don't want to take the guns away from people just license them, just like you do with cars. Before buying a gun let them do a medical test, check criminal records, let them proof that they are able to handle a gun, let them proof that they are keeping the gun in a safe place, make them legally responsable for misuse of the gun by others.
And raise the age of owning a gun to 21.
Those licenses should be granted for a limited time so gun owners are tested on a regular basis.
Agreed
see, this is how wrong I was about american gun laws, I assumed up until recently they had the very basics of gun controls already in place, but the more people talked about them them more I found they were somehow at negative gun controls.
Like I thought that you needed a fire arms license to buy a gun, that the license was proof that you had had your background checks and approvals etc, kind of like a car license proves you can drive. But apparently they have none of that. Cause I my suggestion was to make it so private sales required you sight their license, but then was informed fire arm license arent even a thing. That is insane to me, like how do you prove you own a gun legally? Not a prohibited person?
Then also the gun ownership and sales records, they are just shipping containers full of paper and unsearchable scanned documents. So tracing a gun owner or the sale is a manual process. It isnt the 60s, why isn't there a searchable database of all guns and owners? Apparently because that would infringe on the 2A?
So it seems I thought the US just had bad gun control, more and more I find they have none at all in many states.
@@whatwhatinthewhat4400 Connecticut seems to be going somewhere
@@whatwhatinthewhat4400 Shocking.
You forgot to add to your list "ask them why they think they need a gun". Sure, you MIGHT one day go to Yosemite where there are lots of bears. Would you be allowed to bring a gun into a National Park? Do you frequently go to bear/coyote country? Are you a farmer that needs to kill vermin and predators attacking your livestock (oh, and can you deter/kill these predators with a .22? Why do you need an AR15?) Do you live in a dangerous neighborhood? Yes, I do. Why is your neighborhood dangerous? Because there are so many guns there. In most cases, there is no NEED to own a gun. As Jim said, you want a gun because you LIKE guns. THIS is why you'll never change your gun laws. BECAUSE YOU LIKE GUNS MORE THAN YOU LIKE YOUR CHILDREN.
I'm so glad you did this mate and I'm surprised 😮
But that "criminals owning guns after a ban" falls apart when you look at the terrorist attacks in the uk.
They never use guns. I'm sure they would if they could get one.
Flawed argument..imagine the death toll if they did have guns you gun toting Neanderthal🙈🤪🤪
A civil war over guns. If they are willing to start a civil war over guns, they don't have the mental capacity to own a gun. Thats crazy.
Poor bro thought he was throwing some counterpoints out. You missed it my man. Maybe next time
"You don't think like Americans". Americans think too much about themselves. Top mafia will always have guns, because they have those 34k. But majority of criminals are not like them. Do you really think top mafia will give a shit about you? If you have such enemies a shotgun will not help you anyway, you need full armed guard squad minimum.
And to be honest, problem is not with regular citizens, majority will be for public safety. Australia is a good example, because before Port Arthur they had almost same gun control laws. Problem is with lobbyist groups who make money on guns and spread "they will take your guns, your freedom" propaganda. I think that lobbying is the only one reason why gun control laws didn't appear in the US long ago and still defacto don't exist now.
The maffia doesn't kill children in schools, they usually kill each other.
I do agree with all this, and ideally, yes remove all the guns, but realistically it's too late for that in the USA and, as he says, I do agree there would be a civil war of sorts over it given how entrenched the NRA are there. Stronger gun controls are probably as can be hoped for at the moment, unfortunately I don't see a good future there as the problem will only get worse, not better 😔
I'm an American, and all I can say is... Thank god I don't think like an American. I hope the rest of the world is buckled up, because sooner or later this shit-show is going to implode. So just make sure you brace for impact.
The U.S. was actually founded on gun control, If you study your history, you'll see it.
Start with James Madison's first draft of the Second Amendment
Here is Madison’s first draft of the Second Amendment:
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, a well-armed and well-regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.”
Madison’s intent could not be more obvious: his Second Amendment refers only to state militias. If not, why include that exemption for what we now call “conscientious objectors?”
When Madison’s amendment was rewritten by a joint committee from the House and Senate in 1791, the “religious” exemption was lopped off as too cumbersome in language and too complex to enforce. Thus, the Amendment as it now stands.
But Madison’s original intent remains and is there hiding in plain sight for any Supreme Court Justice who takes the pains to look for it. The gun crowd and their apparatchiks ignore, as well, the very reason the Second Amendment got into the Constitution in the first place: to calm the anti-Federalists’ fears of the establishment of a standing army. The Second Amendment is, in fact, Madison’s (and the Federalists’) response to those who felt threatened that the strong central government, as proposed in the new Constitution, might disarm the state militias. And to miss that connection is to . . . well, miss everything.
As written, the Second Amendment follows closely in meaning and in the language of the previous state and national Constitutions - all of which explicitly refer to militias and not individuals.
The Articles of Confederation - the U.S. plan that preceded the ratification of the Constitution - put it this way:
“... every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined Militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and consistently have ready for use in Public stores, a due number of field pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.”
Of all the 13 state Constitutions, only one - Pennsylvania’s - granted the right of an individual to own a gun. And even that Constitution gave the state the right to disarm people “for crimes committed” or “real danger of public injury from individuals.” As always, our American forefathers limited any and all freedoms when they clashed with public safety.
In fact, the Constitution was written, a new nation conceived and a more perfect union formed because the Founders were afraid of guns - and the wrong hands they might fall into. Not just slaves. Not just Native Americans. But poor white men. Hell, the Framers didn’t want everyone to have a vote, let alone a gun.
In 1786, a man in rural Massachusetts named Daniel Shays led a protest of 4,000 outraged citizens - mostly farmers and ex-Revolutionary War veterans - against high taxes, foreclosures and bankruptcy proceedings. Unarmed, they were marching toward the armoury in Springfield - to get guns - when the state militia subdued the rebellion. This seminal event in American history scared the livin’ bejesus out of the Founders. To them, the rebellion proved the failure of the Articles of Confederation and the urgent need for a new and strong central government. It was that dread over Shays’ Rebellion and the anarchy it represented that kept the Framers glued to their Windsor chairs during that hot Philadelphia summer of 1787.
The final draft is the short form of 1st draft:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
www.salon.com/2017/12/16/sorry-nra-the-u-s-was-actually-founded-on-gun-control/
BS rights aren't a collective principle
, they're intrinsic to the individual and protected from the determination of others. Example: I think your ideas suck, therefore as long as I can acheive a simple majority, I can imprison you for these thoughts?
@@jessmarks2214 i hate to spoil you, but there is no such thing as rights. they are priviledges and they are momentarely
You got that love of guns from Great Britain, as our country was called then.
We felt that it was an inalienable right. Now we don't have guns, its called change.
You talk about individual rights, but you ignore YOUR own 2nd Amendement... to own a gun you need belong to a well organised militia. I know you hate to be reminded of that bit. Oh and let's talk off this history behind the 2nd Amendement shall we...
The individual states wanted protection from the federal army and each other. New York invaded Vermont, I see you make no mention of that.
The modern USA does not have state run militia. You could argue that the current militia are well organised but that would require you to join an extreme right wing group to own a gun.
@@lorenzsabbaer7725 Privilege is an act of authority, traditionally bestowed by Monarchical powers.
America changed this paradigm via its constitution, revolutionary war and civil war. The ownership of firearms by the individual was enshrined in Constitution because it recognised that the supreme authority of governance was the individual.
European and Commonwealth countries hate this concept due to their bourgeois class identities. Centuries of indoctrination that there are rulers and servants.
This dogma was amplified in the 19th and 20th Centuries with Marxist and National Socialist both seeking to define the collective as being superior to the individual enjoyment of liberty and free will.
This is best exemplified with the Non-aggression Pact... 2 collectivist regimes that traded the lives of millions to facilitate their sociopathic leaders.
The Swiss maintain a militia force. Each citizen is obliged to train with weapons. But each citizens use & storage of said weapons is strictly regulated. Check out how many gun deaths there are in Switzerland per capita compared to those in the USA. Cheers.
The main reason Americans give for why gun control works in other countries but not America is a concept called "American exceptionalism". I've described this concept to Americans who regularly misunderstand that it's a criticism, and instead think this is an indication that the world thinks of America as exceptional. This is what comes of not travelling outside America.
God the US sounds like the most dystopic country on the planet
There are two words in the second amendment that are ignored, the ey are 'highly regulated'. Can you have guns in the UK: yes. can you have a handgun in the UK: yes! But it is highly regulated.
Ok son, I guess we're going to get into this. Before you write me off as a dreamer that doesn't live in reality, you should know that I served 8 years as a military police officer and another 25 years as a cop in a major American city. I just retired as a sergeant. I'm not here to spread taking points. I'm speaking not only from personal experience, but as a man who has studied crime and criminals for over 30 years and I have the degrees to back it up. With that said, I was going to let this go because you seem like a nice kid who simply can't see past his personal experience, but the Sammy the Bull thing pushed me over the edge. Sammy the Bull was a VERY savvy criminal. He was good enough at it to afford a $35,000 gun as a business expense. How much easier do you think law enforcement would be if we only had to worry about successful organized crime figures having weapons? There has NEVER been a mass shooting of civilians by successful organized crime members. Because they are ORGANIZED. Sandy Hook wasn't committed by Tony the Finger. Even if you want to include prohibition Era Chicago, they still weren't targeting civilians. Civilians just got caught in the crossfire, because guns were so cheap they could give them to their number runners, much less their soldiers.
First off, you aren't going deep into bear country for the same reason you aren't joining the Army. Forced marches and hiking deep into forests is hard if you aren't in good physical shape. If you meet a bear at a camp site you drove to, those bears are accustomed to people. For them, bear spray and air horns are enough to get you to the car. A good friend of mine who retired from Yellowstone told me he would never carry a gun in the park if it weren't for the people. I've never had to defend myself from animals, but he has and his opinion was that guns are great for hunting, but not great if being attacked.
Finally, if you want a gun to protect you from the government, I'll leave you with the words of an Army Colonel I know, "If we were worried about civilian weapons, do you really think we'd let them keep them?" And I can tell you as a cop that we weren't worried about the danger of taking your uncle John's guns, no matter how many he has. We have robots, explosives, armored cars, actual tanks, drones, and helicopters. And that's just local cops. Suppose you Rambo your way through all of us. Then you've gotten the attention of the ATF, FBI, and National Guard. They have toys that will make your toes curl.
The only people guns are dangerous to are gun owners themselves and society at large. If you are determined to make guns part of your life, hit the gym and get on a diet plan for 3 months. A good recruiter will work out with you and give you nutrition advice. The US has between 4 and 7 active combat zones going on at once at any given time because an army without combat veterans is not an army to fear. They'll be happy to give you a gun and put you in a position to use it for actual defense of yourself and your friends. Provided you are able to manage your PTSD hypervidulance when you're done, you'll see how empty the "reasons" you have for gun ownership really are. Guns are a shiny bauble that our owners allow us to have because they aren't threatened by them.
I've watched both parts, it's like this guy has seen it before. Pauses video - makes a point - restarts video, point gets shot down in flames.
As a non-American , it’s mind boggling seeing stories on literally a daily basis of incidents involving shootings in the States. From altercations that end up with guns being involved , to mass shootings. I can’t even imagine having to do “active shooter” drills back when I was in school. At very least , the States has to crack down hard on teenagers owning guns , to minimize school shootings , since those are committed by students themselves. Raise the age to 21. And there should be a “Do Not Sell List” , meaning , if a parent , school administrator , or medical professional sees warning signs of mental health issues in an adolescent (withdrawn , social issues , lonerism , anger issues , etc) any adult should be able to put a child on a “Do Not Sell” list ... a national data base of high risk individuals that would prevent a kid from buying a gun on his 18th birthday (since the government probably won’t raise the age to 21). Parents especially have to step forward and take an active roll , since they’re the ones who know their child the best , and should be the ones to have the power to prevent their kid from purchasing a gun if they see disturbing warning signs. Putting their child on a “Do Not Sell List” is the least they could do to try and protect other children.
An American colleague visiting here in Europe joked (I think) that he always gets better service in stores and so on with "open carry", and if the member of staff hasn't seen your gun, then just gently tap it, remind them. My exasperated reply was that gun control could never work in the US because you are all easily provoked into acts of violence didn't go down well, and he was close to hitting me.
Valuing an inanimate object more than the life of a human being is my conclusion
I think there is one problem I have with the whole "If they really want a gun, they'll get a gun despite the law" is that, actually no. that's not how that works. sure there will be a number of criminals who do manage to get guns, but it will be a fraction of a fraction of the number who can get guns NOW. the whole argument is fucking stupid in its logic. the more difficult, and expensive, it is to get your hands on things, the less people get their hands on said thing, and the more likely the police are to find and stop the sell of more guns from said black market. criminals get sloppy, but that doesn't matter if they can get their hands on legal guns, but if they have to go through back channels? that gives the police a lot more to work with to prevent crime and violence.
basically: Pro-gun rights people are simply put, Pro-Crime. no matter what they say, their policies lead to more violent crime and that is a statistical fact.
One of the main advantages of banning guns is that it means that only criminals have guns, which makes the job of the police a lot simpler.
5:14 yes, a black market where guns cost an arm and a leg. Unless I am mistaken in Australia illegal guns cost 5-30 times more than the legal cost. So a handgun that might cost 500 is now 2500 on the black market. More if the gun is clean.
So yeah a black market always will exist, but having gun controls in place should increase the prices in the black market, hopefulyl putting them out of reach of kids, teens on minimum wage etc. Plus where do you even buy a black market gun?
If weed killed people it might be a good comparison. To buy legal weed, in some places dont you need a medical prescription? I assume in other places you need to show ID that you are over 18? or is it now 21? This already sounds like more gun controls than what is in place for private gun sales.
The gun issue could probably be solved across multiple generations. No one has to take guns away by force, but use soft "discouraging" of guns. Add a monthly tax to them, increase it. Ban the heavier armaments, make having a gun costly enough that not everyone can just grab one (via mental health inspections, upkeep checks, gun safety checks and so on). Once it becomes costly enough that fewer people buy, the industry will drop production, and that's when you can slowly move towards actually adding ownership rules and finally removing guns except for the purpose of hunting and such. It's a simplified version, cause ofc everything is much more complex than that. But no one has to do it by force, just push the line bit by bit, it's happening with other issues, so why not guns? Give it a couple generations and there will be less demand, so less production, black market demand will skyrocket, driving prices as high as Australia. That didn't happen overnight either.
I'm just musing at how i'd do it in such a way that civil war gets avoided, so just a theory.
Then only people that could afford such a tax would have guns creating tiers within their society or atleast that would be the counter arguemnent.. For something they view as a right; how do you impose a tax on a right?
Also there are more guns than people. Phasing them out like your suggesting does nothing to remove the 400million or so guns in existence. Someone did some quick math and they suggested if you had one gun confiscated and/or voluntarily handed in EVERY MINUTE (which would be impossible in practical terms) it would take 760 yrs to gather them.
The NRA (ie the bribed politicians) would never allow such changes.
@@robertcampomizzi7988 Rights are taxed all the time, water, food, health, all taxed.
As for the turning in of guns, that calculation is done as if 1 gun would be given up every minute which is in no way impossible. you're thinking there's just 1 guy accepting guns every 1 minute? I'm guessing any weapon store would accept relinquished guns in such a case, and with how many of those there are, you'd easily be able to handle much more than 1 a minute. I mean hell, the UK which is the size of 2 states managed to gather 162,000 guns in a month when they banned them (that's ~4 guns / minute btw).
Also from what i understand there are a lot of firearm enthusiasts that have multiple weapons that could be given in bulk, and hunting weapons (as in buckshot style, not handguns or ARs) would probably still be legal as in any civilized country.
"across multiple generations"is a very good point. The more people who are witness to or suffer in some way from mass shootings,the more social attitudes will change. Attitudes get passed down to next generations while more 1000's of people dying. Give it time,things will change
Good points vs. flimsy excuses. "Nuff said.
One thing I hear from people who immigrate to my country (Australia) from America is they no longer have a ever present feeling of “fear” as they walk around. Fear entices the need to feel like you need to defend yourself it also causes people to act quickly without thought = a deadly scenario.
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The way Americans carry on about their "freedom" ...as if they are the only country in the world which has "freedoms" ... yet I always say "Freedom from Fear is the greatest freedom of all" Yet so many Americans believe they need guns because they live in fear of someone breaking into their house in the middle of the night to kill them!!!
I love how every point you try and make is immediately countered by one of Jim's jokes :p
Damn I'm like 10 days late watching this as I've been busy and I honestly couldn't even get through the whole video. And from reading all the comments everyone else had the same issues as me. How sad that you Americans, or at least a lot of you are so against getting rid of guns. It truly makes me both sad and angry.
"It won't work in america"
It has worked everywhere else, so why won't it work in America?
I think that is the question that truly needs to be answered.
Massive mistrust of the government.
The reason I'm pro gun is because I don't trust anyone other then myself to protect me. If us as Americans trusted each other more it would work here but until we have trust it wouldn't work here.
"Greatest Country In The World" ... the rest of the world laughs
This is the reason why there's so much separation on issues like this because this guy is the poster child of today's educational level's reflection of society in general.
Lmao someone ain't very happy
@@DudeSaysThings I'm super happy. Just an observation..nothing more.
One of the first steps, beside having tougher restrictions on what kind of guns and accessories that are "really" necessary, would be to have a mandatory "registrar office" at ANY "Gun Convention" where all the private sales are made. Hold by a Federal Agency, so they can access a large numbers of databases to make an immediate background check, and pre-register the gun sells.
Edit: And also provide all the necessary up-to-date informations about the laws in the current state, the proper way to store, maintain your firearm, and offer some insight on what ranges are available to train with that firearm.
@Patrick FF 19. Plus 2 teachers. Painfully aware.
Still a gun lover.
People are fucked up. Guns were make from the start to kill "things". YOU need stronger "regulations". Not saying a word beyond that. I'm not a citizen, and just commenting from another country.
@Patrick FF To voice it. Re-Gu-La-Tions. Not asking anything above that ...
Mental problems, having a hard time, your country is suddenly at war. those kind of things I was trying to convey.
@Patrick FF And my first question will be: Do you need assistance? PTSD?
Question; is it easier to “fix mental health” than to introduce sensible gun legislation in America? Is that American exceptionalism is it?
The argument of “it worked in every other country that did it but wouldn’t work in the USA.” is basically saying “People from the USA are far more violent than anyone else, We’re just savages.”
'You don't think like Americans' might be the biggest compliment you could ever give someone. Backwards fucking place.
Scenario 1: ban guns, which leads to civil war , then a new law is passed on gun control screening, war ends, many died ...... Scenario 2: introduce tighter gun control screening, no war, everyone happy.
I agree with number 2 but I'd add start trying to help the people who aren showing these signs of these mentally ill people so that way they go on up to live happy lives and they don't Even want to hurt others
@@DudeSaysThings "helping people with mental illnesses? But that would be socialism!", said a lot of people.
Every American child has in the back of their minds everyday going to school, "Will I get shot today?" Not only that but some [many/all?] do zigzag drills, learning how to best avoid being shot, from a very early age. How can this be healthy for a nation? Hundreds of thousands of children have this thrust upon them. Gun control has to be discussed if for nothing more than creating different thought process, a different psyche around guns. The military industrial complex, other interested corporations, lobbyists etc.. stifle social reforms and actively create divisions within the wider community pitting one group versus another and so on which in turn creates fear, anxiety and unhappiness which leads to crime eg. drugs and then crime to maintain the habit and things spiral from there. If you are in the business of making money by selling arms, then someone has to be using the weapons and buying the ammunition. Poor health sector means those with even temporary mental health issues have no access to therapy due to its cost. The high cost of health care is yet another community wide anxiety issue for all low income workers. Its no wonder burdened citizens lose it over trifling things. Gun Control is but a part of the greater problem but you have to have a starting point to fix things.
Yesterday a 22 year old man with mental health issues walked into a Danish shopping mall and shot seven people. Three of them died. Thirteen minutes later, he was arrested. Eye witnesses talk about him reloading his rifle several times. He had gotten his hands on someone elses legal rifle, but in Denmark a legal rifle or shotgun has a maximum capaciy of two rounds; that should be enough for a capable hunter.
Strict laws or restrictions will not prevent tragedies but may limit their scale. I dredd to think about that young man weilding an AR15.
Congresswoman Lauren "the clown" Boebert tweeted a similar tweet. However she thinks strict gun laws don't do anything. Well, in this year alone, (and we're only half way through 2022), the United States had over 308 mass shootings. There's been only 2 mass shootings in Denmark in the past 28 years. Last year the state of Colorado which has about the same population of Denmark had 364 murders while Denmark had 39. Every country has people with mental issues but only the United States has this level of gun violence. I wonder why?
“You guys don’t think the same as we do”
Yeah we’re not idiots 😂
Chris Rock makes a very good point once on one of his standup, " make the bullets expansive as hell ! If one bullet cost like 10000 dollars, you would think twice before taking that shot!"
Lmaoo that's funny and true lol
@@DudeSaysThings there's be no drive-by spraying of bullets that's for sure!
Love your reaction on this, also how both you and Jim bring up the same arguments eventually.
What is weird for me is, somehow every time there is something about gun control (like this video), there is always someone starting about a gun ban and taking peoples guns for some reason.
Americans may look at Europe and Australia and think guns are banned. I'm European and consider guns controlled. My father had a gun, one of my uncles has a gun, one of my cousins has multiple guns. All these guns required screening, training and a good reason, which they had so they could get guns.
If you live in, as you called it, bear-country, sure you need a gun to protect yourself or your family.
As far as the criminals with guns go, in Europe that means organized crime mostly, and they are almost exclusively used on each other (competing gangs), not to rob a store or armed burglary. Like Jim mentioned, to expensive (and high risk when caught) for the common criminal who just wants you TV or wallet.
Unfortunately, even research on gun violence is banned in the USA, so finding a solution is made harder than it has to be.
But if you live in bear country why would you need an AR15 ... perhaps a single shot rifle would be adequate???
I live in Scotland.
In 1996 we had the Dunblane school gun massacre.
After that the Scottish govt introduced strict gun control laws, to keep gun ownership or use away from folk who can't be trusted to be near firearms.
Even from police officers.
That was the last time we had a multiple gun death in our country.
The US, in the current year up until this date, has had more school gun massacres than died in that 1996 Dunblane school shooting.
Every year in the US you have more children shooting to death their siblings or parents, than kids who died in the Dunblane school shooting.
Yeah, guns don't kill people, only people with guns commit gun massacres.
If your kids beats another kid with a yard of 2"x2", the first thing you do is to take the stick off them.
In Scotland even crazed lunatics only get the chance to kill one person at a time, because we don't let them near a gun.
Folk with mashetes or baseball bats have to get within touching distance to be able to injure anybody.
Chopping people up, or beating them to death, is also very time consuming and physically demanding.
That rules out a huge subset of the US population of couch potatoes, who may be radicalised by sitting watching too many RUclips videos.
Your typical, say axe murderer, won't run and chase down many victims before they find themself gasping for breath, totally knackered.
Plus, here in Scotland, bystanders witnessing the attack are every bit as likely to run in and beat 50 shades of shite out of that attacker.
As the would be jihadi suicide bombers, who attacked Glasgow airport, famously discovered to their cost.
Bottom line:
No more massacres in Scotland.
There's no point in me saying things that others have already said.
But it is massively refreshing to watch this, and hear someone approach what is obviously a sensitive issue in the States (I'm in the UK) with genuine open mindedness and humility.
I'm 60 next birthday, and I wish I'd had those qualities at your age.
Respect.
If the attitude changed , culture/society would follow
Crap. The only way to acheive disarmament is for Government to use force to impose these laws and what would they use? Guns!!! So you're happy to entrust Government employees to provide for your safety? Rape, assault, murder... all a crime but all still occur despite Police..why? They're reactionaries not proactive .
Your argument about cars does not stack up as cars are licensed, tested and very regulated because of the obvious chance of harm and/or injury caused by misuse or malfunction. Unlike the gun industry. How many school shootings has Sammy the Bulls crew or any mafia or gangsters carried out. (This would have to be a very high number for the criminal with a gun argument.) Name me school/mass shootings that have been carried out by known criminal? Mass shootings are more a cultural problem rather than a gun problem in my opinion. Americans are different in that they are less, healthy. Some of the highest levels of infant mortality with lower levels of education and much less knowledge of the system that governs them than nearly all other countries.
Ding ding ding ding. You hit it it's a cultural problem not a gun problem. Why do you think I been saying start screening and helping these people with these issues and fix the problems instead of blaming guns. Thank you for making my point.
Also I'm not saying don't do anything bait guns just don't ban them. And Sammy the bull admitted guns keep people safe form criminals since he was one and knows more I'm gonna take his word on that
@@DudeSaysThings yes you have a cultural problem, but you also happy to put Ar-15 into their hands!!! why cant you see the connection?
cars are an evil necessity, modern life would crumble without them. take away guns, and a few more chickens die to foxes.
@@DudeSaysThings If you stopped chuckling during the video you would've heard Jim talking about "every once in a while, we all get sad". Responding with "Screening" is how you deflect away from the real problem, the inanimate guns. Nukes are inanimate, should you have nukes? What if you don't think the US is taking the threat from Country X seriously and you're afraid of Country X invading the US? Should you have an inanimate nuke to protect yourself and the US from Country X if the US government doesn't? Until then it's inanimate, that innocent little nuclear bomb. What's the problem?
Unfortunately in a country where the leading cause of death in children is firearms, maybe firearms are the problem.
America has like over 300 million guns circulating so the black market prices will not be 35k.
so your views on gun control are based around Sammy The Bull's? *facepalm*
My thoughts exactly. The criminals have guns, yeah, they’re not shooting up the schools though…they kill each other…I’m ok with that. This kid has says it’s the American culture, he like 19, it is his culture. He has never lived in America without this ‘culture’
G,day Dude
When the Australian Govt cracked down on firearms after Port Arthur, it was semi auto and pump action guns and magazine capacity. The Govt bought back firearms at a very good price, I surrendered 2 and bought 4 new legal ones with the money!! All legal and above board. 1 rifle, 1 shot gun 1 revolver and one semi auto pistol. After being checked out, my guns live in a safe and I must.shoot 6 competition shoots at the local range per year per hand gun. Not too big a sacrifice . All the best. Bluey
Sucks to hear the truth 😂😂😂
I'm from New Zealand n we think like normal humans 😂😂😂
I totally agree that Americans think differently . It's all about individual rights which seems to be far more important to Americans than societal needs. It's why the American healthcare system seems so weird to most non-Americans. Sadly it's also why mass shootings will continue to happen in the US. Americans appear to accept this as a cost of retaining their individual rights and if they can live with it, non-Americans cannot nay say them.
Very cynical approach to consider those children to be collateral damage of the 2nd amendment.
While I don't agree with you 100%, you do make a lot of good points, especially with screening people. Regarding the screening process, if you go to countries like Japan or Germany, they check you for EVERYTHING. They do full psych evaluations and they privately talk with your coworkers, friends, family members and your significant other to know if you are mentally stable to own a gun. Even a small illegal act could get you banned from buying a gun. In Germany alone, it can take a year or more just to acquire a gun because they take no risks when allowing someone to possess a firearm. In America, we have NOTHING like that. There a multiple states that have loopholes that allow people to buy a gun without needing a license or a background check, and there is evidence and research to prove this. What makes things worse is that there are more guns than people in the US, which further adds to people's fears and makes them want to own a gun even more. As an US citizen, it disgusts me knowing that daily massacres' have become synonymous with the US, and no one is doing anything about it. In order to guide the US to a better path, we need strict gun laws just like SO MANY other countries. Through this, less criminals and insane people can own a gun and said individuals will never be able to buy one because there will be registered in a system, innocent people will feel safer which results in them not needing a gun, and over time the country will become safer. It will be a long process, but it's not impossible!
Also, I've noticed some people in the comments saying things like "why would you ever need a gun" and such
1. There are other countries that have gun culture (just not a extreme and fanatical as the US). So yes, there are people in places like Europe who own guns for recreational use, or for hunting. Just look up JoergSprave, he's a great youtuber who likes guns and bows and such, but advocates safety and gun control laws to everyone.
2. A gun is not solely designed to kill people. A gun also acts as a deterrent to prevent conflict, and it is used to hunt animals in order to put food on the table.
3. As stated above, America is NOT a safe country. We have lazy, greedy leaders who don't care that children and schools are being shot up on a daily basis. This makes people scared and they constantly feel the need to own a gun which shows just how pathetic the US is when it comes to caring for its citizens. Unless we fix the problems in the US, there is always going to be a demand for guns which is only going to make the issue worse.
in the uk a prison sentance even if only a few weeks result in a 5 year ban on owning a gun license you cannot even buy fireworks
No country has completely banned guns, even the UK allows people to have guns just tightly controlled.
If carrying guns is a crime, criminals will carry less guns. For the simple reason it makes the police's job very easy. It won't go away but it becomes much rarer.
There are small guns that are easy to hide if you want a easily hidden gun you can have them
@@DudeSaysThings there are, but if found in possession you have been caught in the act of committing a crime. If you a mugger/burglar/whatever and get stopped after the act the police would have to gather evidence that you committed that crime and that evidence can be disputed. For most criminals it's not worth the risk.
That's fair
This routine has become a necessary text for U.S. law students
An american saying that guns are to defend against dangerous animals, and that all the animals are super dangerous.
To an Australian...
When I lived I the Eastend of Glasgow I knew where to get a gun illegally.
Of course the two sides in the second ice-cream war had guns... they were killing eachother with them. Criminals will always have guns.
However if you are caught with a gun it is an automatic 10 year jail term.
So criminals carry guns only when they intend to use them criminally, thus we have fewer impulsive shootings.
The UK is the most violent Western country and yet will kill far fewer people than the far less violent USA.
In addition rape is illegal and people, mostly women, still get raped. However no one wants to legalise rape.
Your other remark was about cars, cars have a purpose other than to kill. They are a net benefit to society regardless of the death toll. The only purpose of a gun is to kill or threaten to kill. People are killed in stair, lift, and escalator accidents, should we have a law making all properties single story.
The USA bans Kinder Surprise, a children's treat that in 50 year has killed around 10 children worldwide. How many American children have died due to guns.
Priorities folks - re-think your priorities.
The various arguments and interpretations around the 2nd Amendment proves what a terrible piece of English it is.
The American gun industry has taken advantage of the amendment’s ambiguity and made arguments in court to just work for them. It says“ a well regulated militia”. The gun industry managed to win a court case that the word “regulated” didn’t mean in 1790 what it means today, thus making half of the Amendment obsolete. Yet “shall not be infringed” is exactly what it says. So now the US is rife with guns and it’s embedded in the nation’s culture.
Unfortunately it means that American freedom isn’t what they think it is. The idea of making sure the clip is full before you holster your weapon just to go shopping isn’t freedom. That’s what you would do in a post apocalyptic broken society. Not a modern free country.
Making schools into jails to keep bad people out isn’t freedom, children doing shooter on campus drills is not normal and isn’t freedom. Americans are actually losing rights slowly by stealth, because of gun culture.
Here's a radical idea: make people responsible for their guns.
To do this, you would need to register yourself at a local gun club. They have the ability to screen you, to request background checks, check your storage etc, and then issue you a license to buy a weapon. You want more? Go through the assessment again. You want a high powered rifle? That's a more strict assessment, same as an HGV or a crane license is different to a private car license.
Then, if you are involved in an incident, the club can fine you and they in turn may be sued if their assessment was found to be wanting.
I think your gun club could qualify as a "well organized militia".
Not a bad idea
The NRA would send their goons to, uh, change your mind
The biggest difference between Americans and Europeans or Australians is that you are focused on the individual and not on the community. You want what you want and you feel entitled to have it. It explains your health care system, your gun laws and your out look on the rest of the world.
I think you've fallen in to the typical trap thinking that Jim was advocating for a total outright ban on the sale of guns. As Jim said several times he was all for Americans to have guns but with better regulation. Talking about the UK and Australian bans on guns is him trying to show you that better regulation (in Australia their regulation was a total ban, UK is more established checks) and that America should at least have better regulations. The constitution was written at a time where assault rifles and large magazines weren't around and (if I remember correctly) the constitution is supposed to be updated every 17/19 years to keep up with technology advances. The fact some Americans overlook that makes the rest of America seem like they really don't care about gun regulation. I agree that a much stricter set of regulations would go a long way but I also see the idea of at least outright banning SOME guns is probably needed (assault rifles being one of them).
The 2nd Ammendment doesn't even need changing...it already says a "well-regulated" militia. Somehow "well-regulated" has come to be interpreted as "completely non-regulated"
Not a total ban in Australia - just need a good reason - I could have one if I wished but I don't
Cars is a good example. You have to go through training and a test to prove you can drive safely before you are allowed one.
I hope carrying a gun while drunk is illegal like drink driving is!
And it should be the same with guns. Thats not something I'm against I'm just saying If we are banning things because they are dangerous when misused then why stop here
Not the same difference. As someone else said in a comment cars were created to provide transport in relative safety, and training to drive a car is training to avoid injury and death to both you and others on the road.
Guns are meant to injure and kill, and the only safety provided by giving you gun training is for your own safety while handling your own gun, but it will also make you a better shot, and a better killer by extension.
And also, even though a car can kill some in the case of accidents, but it also hurts you, the driver and gets wrecked while doing so. You're not gonna drive a car through a school, going classroom to classroom systematically running over students, right? It's not efficient, your car will get damaged and you'll get whiplash from all the crashing in the chem lab. Also a car is a teensy bit more expensive than a gun.
Its comedy and you absolutely got it man. Loved the reaction. We need many voices with different views. Also this isnt a "speech" its a stand up set.
I think the biggest problem is that countries like Australia, the UK, NZ, Canada etc actually have a federal government that can make decisions and laws for the benefit of the citizens. For all that the US talks about freedom and democracy it seems that so many major decisions are made on the agenda of a few who have a disproportionate amount of power because there don't seem to be any laws against buying politicians.
I don't know why America is called the 'United' States when there seems very little that unites them except the arrogant belief in American exceptionalism which doesn't stop to even care about the poverty and suffering it has caused.
i'm not a huge fan of jim. but i love the fact that he had an answer to all of your arguements in both parts. i wrote in the first part reaction that i am pro-guns. but each time he is out-manevouring you makes it hillarious bro.
edit: i agree with your point tho, people who should be allowed to have guns should get through an intense psychological test. to add that, maybe that test should be repeated every couple of years just in case. also a test in a range to test them how they wield and use it would help more than putting them in a safe.
I don't think anyone is saying your guns should be taken off you, it's more about getting rid of unnecessary weapons that no one outside of military personnel should have. And better screening and more stringent licencing regulations wouldn't hurt either. At the end of the day if you have a legitimate reason for having a gun then the checks should be fine.
My take, as a military veteran:
I never had a problem with guns until I got out of the military. Now, I hate them. And, I was a sharpshooter. But, when a civilian can get an AR-15 (a weapon designed for the military), I believe, that is too far. Ban those guns. Nobody NEEDS an AR-15. And, coincidentally, that's the main weapon used in mass shootings. I'm against concealed carry and open carry. I don't want to walk in a store and see multiple guns and not see there's more. It's insane behavior to think you need a gun EVERYWHERE you go. The problem with no gun control and easy access is that we've created a war zone in our own society. There's been 55 days in 2023. There's been like...75 mass shootings, who knows how many accidental deaths and it gets worse every year. Just the opinion of a proficient gun user, in the Army, who refuses to ever own one and thinks most civilians don't need one.
and you my friend are someone i cant argue with someone who has more experience then me and knows more about guns then me so you have a take i can respect tbh when i made this video my thoughts where i want access to a pistol or shotgun in my house IF needed. I do see ur point with the AR15'S But my take is if someone lives in the middle of nowhere and has these guns on their property is it really a big deal i don't think so. I personally just don't care. BUT i agree most people myself induced do not need and shouldn't have those types of guns
I am a 61y old German. I never had a gun in my hand let alone owned one. Why? Because there is simply no need for a gun. The USA simply have a ton of social problems which some people apparently can't cope with but with deadly violence.
America, the country where life starts at conception & ends at elementary school...
The biggest problem with your way (screening) is most people are not born with mental health problems they develop them at some point in their life time. Sometimes early life sometimes later but nah let's just hope it's before they get a gun? Also a civil war is a joke it would be guns against tanks, planes, missiles and the use of satellites against the use of binoculars lol I am sorry I find your view on guns really depressing, it's so ingrained in you. The prices would go up dramatically if guns were banned because that's how an illegal black market works, everywhere including in America (you won't that different) lots of people didn't want their guns took away but that's called governance.
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Make it like a car registration, you can pay for a 6 month, 12 or 2 year registration. and to re-register for a gun license you need to be screened again.
So it isnt something you have done once at 18 and then never again. Do it every year or two.
Your point re screening and mental health is spot on and overlooked by those who think screening is the soul answer and mental health is the only issue.
@@whatwhatinthewhat4400 ok this would be better than nothing but there is also the issue that there are plenty of people who would pass a screening and be mentally capable but still either have a bad moment or just be a bad person capable of shooting someone
In some states in Australia, cars from speeding and drunk drivers can be crushed by the government
As to your car argument, that’s why we have strict traffic laws and regulations…you have to pass a driving test to get a drivers license; we have speed limits; we have strict laws banning drunk driving, etc.