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Great lesson mate, this is a hard subject, but really helpful to hear the metronome with the different examples, I think it’s finally cracked it for me. Thank you
40 year player: good lesson, I literally make it a mission to teach people how to count signatures in songs… I mean Tool, or Dream theater, or P Tree can be a challenge for most… never mind Gavin Harrison overriding a 3/4 over a 5/4; mind blowing really.
Everyone has to start somewhere!🤗 Since the denominator stands for the note value, it has to be either 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 etc. (the note value is doubled!) There’s no such thing as a “sixth note” or a “seventh note”, so the answer is no 😊 Hope it helps!
If the OP is anything like myself, I understand how to read and execute the different time signatures.... Just don't really understand WHY. Why notate in 4/8 instead of 4/4 or 7/4 instead of 7/8. Practically, if you're playing something with a lot of notes it makes sense to use more sub-divisions, but many times I've seen relatively slow/simple notations with higher sub-divisions.
Depends on the melodic subdivision in the music you’re playing, and how the FEEL of the song is supposed to sound. If you would play two bars of 7/4 followed by one bar of 7/8, the bar of 7/8 moves twice as fast, right? The bigger the subdivision, the more notes can be crammed into the bar. Technically - they’re all the same, since you can count 7 quarter notes inside 2 bars of 7/8, but in THEORY it’s better to have it written the correct way.
I mean its great for a drummer to learn and understand time signatures nad subdivisons.. but if the rest of the band doesnt understand it then you cant really use it there.. have any tips on that?
If they don't practice there's nothing much to do, if you want to play 7/4 grooves or any other time signature, the band have to count. For practice purpose you could break it down for them, explaining, counting while playing at slow tempo. For guitar solos and when it's hard to count, emphazing the next mesure with a drum fill can be great. There is not shortcut though, practice is key
I'd say that the most important thing is that the band can play together and figure it out by practicing. But definitely go through counting and "feeling" the time signature. You can't force someone else to practice it, but if you wanna have a good time together as a band - everyone should be practicing and be on point with what you wanna play.
If you remove the click from the "4/4 Vs 4/8" exemple, you can't tell which is which. That happens when to things are strictly the same. If you need a click to tell them appart, the difference isn't in the music, it's in your interpretation, and there's no "right" or "wrong" to debate endlessly about. You need to take arbitrary choices when transcribing music. Making the music easier to read is a valid choice, but it's just a choice. The universe won't explode if you write a 7/8 beat in 4/4 using septuplets. The beat is still there. You can even play 6/4 while your percussionist plays 12/8, the cops won't care one bit.
Hence the name Music Theory. It's theoretical. Practically, it doesn't matter in which meter you're playing in, as long as what you're playing fits and sounds good with the music. However, if you write music (as in complete transcriptions) and you wanna hire musicians to play it, a correct score will help (i.e time signatures, note values etc,). Plus, if you play let's say "proggy" music, with a lot changes in time sigantures (think Frank Zappa) - you might need to program the metronome the correct way to be able to record it in the best possible way. Remember that the score-system we have today was invented in the 1600's, before the metronome existed and you only had a conductor to rely on for keeping time. So yes, I agree with you in most parts! But still, this is just a drum lesson to clear up some of the confused questions I've gotten on the channel 🤗
Im still trying to learn and still dont know and got confused. Lets say we have 4/4 then why i am seeing in one measure too many notes? there sometimes a quarter note, an eight note and as well with rest and then 16th notes. How to play those? 😭😭😭😭😭
If that's the case, you should read up and study some note value. I've got a video on that too! It's the first lesson in my "Music Theory-playlist" here on my channel :)
I can play in 4/4 7/4 6/8 and 12/8 and what ever I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND THIS THOUROUGHLY ! and im 100% certain 50 to 75 or even 90 % of you in here dont even understand this as well ! I think if the guy in the video cant make me understand this then he him self even cant understand this 100% 😂 anyway he is at least not teaching me the unknown to a know for me no link between ! Its like algebra.... learning is ONLY connecting an unknown to a known to understand something ...Tony Robbins used Dancing with wolves with Kevin Costner with the Buffalo scene to teach what learning is....
Makes a bit more sense but still clear as mud, but that's likely me not understanding. There was a point it seemed to almost click... But got lost in my dumbass brain. Thanks for trying.
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CJ, you are THE BEST at explaining things in a way that I think EVERYONE can understand.
Huge thanks for sharing this 😃🤟
I agree!!
I'm so glad you think so!!
YES! Thanks for clearing some things up.
I know the basics, but I've always been a little unsure about the denominator
You're most welcome!
Great lesson mate, this is a hard subject, but really helpful to hear the metronome with the different examples, I think it’s finally cracked it for me. Thank you
Happy to help out, bud!!
This was very helpful. Thanks for clearing up the ruckous of time signatures for me! 🤘🤘🤘
Happy to help out!!
well explained and great way to show it too!
Thank you!!
This is excellently explained! great teacher, man!
Cheers!!
This is such a great theory lesson 🫶🙌🙌
Thank you kindly!!
Best teacher!!!
This video was really cool, thanks for sharing it.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this!!
You're most welcome!!
This is great, man. Thanks!!🔥
Thank you!!
Thank youuuu this is so helpful
You're most welcome!!
40 year player: good lesson, I literally make it a mission to teach people how to count signatures in songs… I mean Tool, or Dream theater, or P Tree can be a challenge for most… never mind Gavin Harrison overriding a 3/4 over a 5/4; mind blowing really.
Haha I love that too! But you gotta start somewhere 😅
Right on.
How to play double stroke roll please make a video.
Maybe some day!!
Does it work to write 4/6 or something like that?
I'm a noob with this!
Everyone has to start somewhere!🤗
Since the denominator stands for the note value, it has to be either 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 etc. (the note value is doubled!)
There’s no such thing as a “sixth note” or a “seventh note”, so the answer is no 😊
Hope it helps!
ну теперь мы всё поняли и спокойно сыграем tool !!
If the OP is anything like myself, I understand how to read and execute the different time signatures.... Just don't really understand WHY. Why notate in 4/8 instead of 4/4 or 7/4 instead of 7/8. Practically, if you're playing something with a lot of notes it makes sense to use more sub-divisions, but many times I've seen relatively slow/simple notations with higher sub-divisions.
Depends on the melodic subdivision in the music you’re playing, and how the FEEL of the song is supposed to sound.
If you would play two bars of 7/4 followed by one bar of 7/8, the bar of 7/8 moves twice as fast, right?
The bigger the subdivision, the more notes can be crammed into the bar.
Technically - they’re all the same, since you can count 7 quarter notes inside 2 bars of 7/8, but in THEORY it’s better to have it written the correct way.
I mean its great for a drummer to learn and understand time signatures nad subdivisons.. but if the rest of the band doesnt understand it then you cant really use it there.. have any tips on that?
If they don't practice there's nothing much to do, if you want to play 7/4 grooves or any other time signature, the band have to count. For practice purpose you could break it down for them, explaining, counting while playing at slow tempo. For guitar solos and when it's hard to count, emphazing the next mesure with a drum fill can be great. There is not shortcut though, practice is key
I'd say that the most important thing is that the band can play together and figure it out by practicing. But definitely go through counting and "feeling" the time signature.
You can't force someone else to practice it, but if you wanna have a good time together as a band - everyone should be practicing and be on point with what you wanna play.
Great answer!
Great job explaining this. I have 1 question tho.... What? Lol just kidding.
If you remove the click from the "4/4 Vs 4/8" exemple, you can't tell which is which. That happens when to things are strictly the same. If you need a click to tell them appart, the difference isn't in the music, it's in your interpretation, and there's no "right" or "wrong" to debate endlessly about. You need to take arbitrary choices when transcribing music. Making the music easier to read is a valid choice, but it's just a choice. The universe won't explode if you write a 7/8 beat in 4/4 using septuplets. The beat is still there. You can even play 6/4 while your percussionist plays 12/8, the cops won't care one bit.
Wholeheartedly agree with this statement!
Hence the name Music Theory. It's theoretical.
Practically, it doesn't matter in which meter you're playing in, as long as what you're playing fits and sounds good with the music.
However, if you write music (as in complete transcriptions) and you wanna hire musicians to play it, a correct score will help (i.e time signatures, note values etc,). Plus, if you play let's say "proggy" music, with a lot changes in time sigantures (think Frank Zappa) - you might need to program the metronome the correct way to be able to record it in the best possible way.
Remember that the score-system we have today was invented in the 1600's, before the metronome existed and you only had a conductor to rely on for keeping time.
So yes, I agree with you in most parts! But still, this is just a drum lesson to clear up some of the confused questions I've gotten on the channel 🤗
Im still trying to learn and still dont know and got confused. Lets say we have 4/4 then why i am seeing in one measure too many notes? there sometimes a quarter note, an eight note and as well with rest and then 16th notes. How to play those? 😭😭😭😭😭
If that's the case, you should read up and study some note value.
I've got a video on that too! It's the first lesson in my "Music Theory-playlist" here on my channel :)
The difference is that one is for when you're playing drunk, so.. you can say "naah man, s'pharkin' seven eight mate."
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Drum vocal in sound or mouth
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I can play in 4/4 7/4 6/8 and 12/8 and what ever
I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND THIS THOUROUGHLY ! and im 100% certain 50 to 75 or even 90 % of you in here dont even understand this as well ! I think if the guy in the video cant make me understand this then he him self even cant understand this 100% 😂 anyway he is at least not teaching me the unknown to a know for me no link between ! Its like algebra.... learning is ONLY connecting an unknown to a known to understand something ...Tony Robbins used Dancing with wolves with Kevin Costner with the Buffalo scene to teach what learning is....
Let me know what's hard to understand, and I'll do my best to help out! ^^
Makes a bit more sense but still clear as mud, but that's likely me not understanding. There was a point it seemed to almost click... But got lost in my dumbass brain. Thanks for trying.
Let me know what’s hard to understand and I’ll try my best to clear it up, bud!