I have owned this unit for several months now. I have successfully tested the unit running two 5 ton AC's (with Micro-Air Easy Starts and not firing off simultaneously). In addition I needed to run a small data room that pulls approx. 3000 watts and has a 2 ton mini split. This generator ran without issues although I will say if it was a true emergency with no power I would not press my luck with the second 5 ton AC unit (it is a lot on that 50A circuit). For extra piece of mind I added an energy monitoring unit on the generator inputs to the house. This thing is a fuel hog because of its size and when I decided to oversize I believe I went too far. I needed a generator that had a THD under 5 because of the data room, and there are not a plethora of options out there in larger units. Looking forward to seeing your video to see if you have similar results (especially on fuel burn).
Thanks for sharing this info with us. The only other one that could compare even closely with this generator is the Powerhorse 27000 but it does not have the low idle mode feature. I am planning on doing the comparison between those two. When gas prices get cheaper lol. Thanks for watching
I just tested my 12000df running NG. It also ran 2 - 5 ton Rheem units simultaneously, no hard start kits. I was astonished. Started my microwave as well and 2 refrigerators were running. I let it run about 5 minutes in both AC units. Amazing!! And that was on NG...
For your setup diesel would have been much better. They don't consume much fuel and if the model is 1500rpm they output wave should have pretty low thd. , And if u still think the electronics on your server room is an issue. I highly recommend an online ups .
@@KuntalGhosh 1800rpm diesel would be a first choice but a 20kw single phase kWiet power costs about $26,000 these days. Even a 14kw will set you back $16,000. As for UPS's, all the equipment is sitting behind two Eaton 9PX 6000's with two EBMs each.
Gavin, thanks for answering my question regarding the frequency of this generator. Although Amazon advertises it as a 50Hz machine, you are right, it is a 60Hz machine as noted in the owner's manual. We received ours last week and have completed the interlock and inlet plug on one of our 200a panels. We had a bit of electrical work to accomplish as we needed to balance the load between panels. That work is complete now and all we have left to do is to install another interlock and inlet plug on the second panel. The test run on the first panel went flawlessly and the generator performed perfectly.
Wow, 17 gal tank. That's comparable to my Nissan Frontier truck when I fill it up. It drinks that much producing 5000 watts for 17 hrs. Glad I don't need that much power.
I have a large house with total 7.5rt of air conditioning (all inverter panasonic multi minisplits) , 2hp water pump and many more loads. So if i really want to i can exceed the power output of this genarator 😂
Make sure you treat the fuel and turn the fuel switch off to let the generator shut down on its own. That will clear the fuel in the carburetor. Then turn off the power switch. Be blessed and a blessing Amen.
That thing is a beast. The RPM didn't seem to change when you enabled the low idle feature. Also, I suspect the sound level will increase somewhat as the load increases. It would be interesting to hear the sound level at near full load.
The RPMs began to drop after 15 seconds or so...It doesn't really seem like an inverter gen where it will continue putting out rated voltage/frequency at idle. I'd like to see what the voltage/freq is when it idles down...
@@NukePooch1 That is a question I have as well. I have a Honda inverter generator and of course use the Econo-Idle feature all the time. I've always been curious how the conventional generators achieve the idle-down functionality.
@@eosjoe565 I bought a new 2017 Honda EM4000SX. It is a conventional gen. with "ECO THROTTLE". Compared to other non-inverter gens. it is extremely quiet on low idle (hi idles as well) with "NO" load. When "ANY" kind of load is applied the RPM kicks up to hi idle. Where this gen. really shines is on a construction site. Example: Say you have three corded tools plugged in, a circular saw, a table saw, and a roto-hammer. when all tools are not used the gen. idles at a low, quiet, fuel saving mode. When a tool is picked up and started the RPM kicks up to high idle, then down to low idle when the tool is stopped. In 2021, I sold the EM4000SX for $1800, $200 less than what I paid after owning for 4 yrs. I put that money toward a new 2021 EU3000is. I miss the 5000 watts surge power, and the 4000 running watts of the EM4000SX, but the whisper quiet inverter is a huge trade off. Hope this helps. EDIT: The EM4000SX engine is the revolutionary "igx270". The idle, governor and voltage regulation functions are computer controlled resulting in one of the most easy quick starting, smooth running, quiet and efficient engines in it's class. The carb has two stepper motors, one for "ECO THROTTLE" idle control, and the other for electric automatic choke. There is a manual choke lever. In 4 yrs. I never had to use it. The auto choke worked even in +15 degree cold weather with one turn of the electric starter key. When I sold generator, it still has the original battery which was functioning as new. Did I mention that I miss that generator?
Got mine in this past Wednesday. It’s a MONSTER!! My house has 2 ACs, sump pump and pool pump. I figure this will get the job done. Just need to have the plug wires to my panel now.
@@condor5635 the electrician wired in a 50amp box to the outside of my garage wall and then wired into the main panel. Power goes out and I turn main breaker off. I have a separate breaker to turn on power to the 50amp outlet when the generator is on. He made it also so no back feeding of the lines to protect lineman.
I have a Generac 17500 with a tri fuel kit and 10 100lb bottles. I may sell that for one of the low THD Westinghouse units. Need to give this some thought. I suspect the wgen 12000 would be ample with a couple soft start kits on the 5 ton and 3.5 ton then maybe a couple propane pulsar 2000 inverters for the two extra refrigerators and two freezers in the garage. That 28K is tempting as it I could probably back feed both 200 amp panels one is for pool and hot and patio. The only negative I can see to the Wgen 20000 is the oil needs changed every 50 hours. Who wants to change the oil every two days in a grid down situation. The Wgen 12000 DF requires oil change every 100 hours. I also like how Westinghouse manual shows you how to remove the bonded neutral wire.
Gavin, that’s a frickin motorcycle motor, that’s crazy! What’s funny about this generator is that everything is comparable to the other smaller Gen’s such as gas usage time of 17 gallons= 11 hr’s of run time. Everything is proportional, just bigger and more of everything !!!! Can you overrun it by plugging your entire house items?
@Gavin's Garage please hurry make a video about this generator powering your house and most important how you're able to harness the entire 20,000 watts to the house...I would buy one immediately
Nice vid. ... Power dense for sure for its size: Suggestion from a multiple decade small engine mechanic. .....make sure that you maintain the unit well. I personally refuse to work on Westinghouse generators as since they are fully made in China major service parts are very hard to come by.
@@rockystelone21 For feature density as well as price my favorite import brand is WEN. They are best in class priced and if one requires help they go out of their way as an organization to assist. After working on a few of their open frame gennys I bought one of my own and couldn't be happier w/ the unit. Three years old and just passed 2,000 hrs. Zero problems.
Westinghouse! ; if you see this video, come-on bro... something this big and heavy needs four wheels. Three quarters of people who could buy this, won't because it's hard to move around
Great Review 👍 with it size/wattage Duel/tri Fuel would be even better - if that happens then this is the one for me and i would then recommend to family and friends - Thank You
Where I live, 10 percent ethanol gasoline at 116000 btu's is $3.90 a gallon, propane at 92500 btu's is $2.59 a gallon and 1 therm of natural gas at 100000 btu's is $1.20 from my last bill. Natural gas is most economical way of running that generator, propane is the next best. Assuming you have the correct plumbing for natural gas.
Wow what a machine ! I just bought a Generac GP17500E ! & that's 17,500 watts & 26,250 surge & 30 HP , What is the HP ratting on this MONSTER ? I thought it was cool that it has dual exhaust ! & I thought I bought overkill DAMN!!!!!!!! Thanks for the video.
@Venice Cox I have the same generator as you and I strongly believe Generac ripped us off by passing this generator as a 17,500 continuous watts but actually we only get 12,000 watts MAX continuous from the 50 amp plug so where is the other 5,500 watts to use towards my house?
@@johnnyqwest6901 I ended up getting the Generac GP15000E after waiting 6 months for GP17500E & getting a run around from a company called Mowers World that never delivered ! But they did give me my money back, But the price of generators went up quite a bit in that time . But I'm happy with the GP15000E , But not paying more for less watts , & it's pretty much the same as the GP17500E ! Same engine , 30 HP , fuel capacity 16 gallon , & frame cradle , & wheels .
@@jeffreyjackson7949 Sorry to hear that ! But as I stated I went with the GP15000E do to problems with the wait period from the company I was dealing with at the time ! & I'm happy with the one I went with.
How would you hook this up to your house? Can you use 2 - 50 amp inlet boxes connected to two double pole 50 amp circuit breakers? You got over 100 amps this thing can generate
Thank you Gavin for a nice video. I have this beast being delivered today. I ended up purchasing mine from Amazon with free delivery for $3500. I'm excited to try this thing out. I just finished wiring my 50 amp plug to my main panel including a lockout plate. My question is; do I have to ground the chassis or is it self grounded? Thanks again!
I'm curious and maybe someone reading this will know the answer to this. Each 50amp outlet produces a max output of 12kW, how would you cannect both 50amp outlets to your house to have a 24Kw total capacity?
Hey Gavin, I just got this generater. I think theres a design flaw in the starter controls panel. Can you check to see if the back of your choke cable is broken from hitting the side of the air cleaner cover? Thanks and your love the channel!
I just checked mine and yes it’s broken the same way as you mentioned. The angle is to sharp but it’s just a choke cable. Get some electrical tape and it should be ok
That low idle switch is not an Eco mode switch. With the switch on it lowers the rpm only if there is zero demand. If there is no demand, it will slow down. If you turn on a load be it 100 watts or 10,000 watts, it jumps up to the 3600 rpm assuming it is a 2 pole generator.
Do u buy all these generators or r they given to you? Also what do u do with all of them after your review? If u feel like getting rid of 1 of them i could use it. Great video by the way i watch these all the time.
Geeeezus.....that beast is as big as my home stand by genny.🤣🤣🤣🤣 I could only imagine how much gas that thing uses. Nice genny no matter what. Not too loud either ....albeit not under load. Can't wait for the test vid. Thank you. Hope you and your family had a great Thanksgiving.
@@GeneratorReviews Nice. That's going be great. You shouldn't lose too much power when running it on LP or NG. With that size genny you'll still have enough power to generate for the neighborhood.🤣🤣🤣 I can't wait to see how clean the power is once your hook it up to your oscilloscope. Good luck and looking forward to your next vid.
Great review, like all of your reviews. Very clear with all the important points. Are you planning to review the Westinghouse 0:06 Ecogen10000? I don’t need -and couldn’t handle- the 28000 watt beast, but the 10k inverter model looks perfect to run my cabin, with a septic pump/grinder.
One big question….where is it made? Westinghouse long ago sold their name as well as their reputation to whoever would pay for it. 2 other questions, inverter or not? What RPM does it run at, (1800 good, 3600bad)
Gavin I have a question if you don't mind.....Thinking about buying the Westinghouse 15KW Dual fuel of course for my house and between this one. But the 15vKW genny seems to be a better fit for what I want to use for. Which one is be better for short duration of use? Thank You.
These are both hard working Generators If you don’t need 28,000 W starting I would go with the 15 dual fuel They’re both the same brand you really can’t go wrong
Man I really like this generator , This might not be a practical generator for your whole house But you would not have to for sure for sure Worrying about needing any more power How much did you actually test this one
The best part about this generator is you can run your entire house and for sure run it probably at 30%. It will last forever because its never going to be stressed out. waiting for the hot season to come so I can run the 5 ton AC on my home Thanks for watching I hope I earned a subscribe
@@GeneratorReviews I have subbed already , I'm enjoying the videos And also the harder to find generators I can find on your channel and you're willing to test them for people
During a recent power outage in Katy, TX, I was recommended a specific individual by my community for generator needs. I noticed that he had a 28KW unit listed in his shop. Despite multiple inquiries about purchasing it, he insisted that it was a commercial generator unsuitable for home use, claiming it would damage household electronics and lighting. However, he used the same generator to test his own house. If he didn't want to sell the unit, he could have simply stated so instead of providing misleading information during a critical time. Fortunately, I chose not to buy from him, as he attempted to sell smaller generators, knowing they would be ineffective without a proper generator power inlet. Such business practices are not acceptable, especially during emergencies.
@@GeneratorReviews Alright I just want to be sure. Because I plan on using something like this to feed 240v into a breaker box which then will be connected to 2 contactors which power both a 7.5 Hp and 2 Hp motors at the same time. Just want to be sure this generator can handle the FLA of especially the 7.5 Hp motor since I can see a breaker on it that is 83A, but you said this can handle up to 233A? Of course using 240v draws less amps then 120v, but I just want to be sure.
@@GeneratorReviews Is there a phasing concern with paralleling the 2 feeds? I never saw this before. I have seen someone have to feed two separate panels which are isolated from each other.
of course it will 20 kw and a v twin cylinder two pistons running cuts down on the load and the only way to go portable no matter who makes it will last you a life time if you maintain it or change the oil every 50 hours and burn all the gas out of it before storing it away
What the? That hose said "Made in Japan" on it? Last time I saw small parts like that made there Crockett and Tubbs were still driving around Miami in a Testarossa!
Seems like overkill. I don't know how you could utilize two 50 amp outlets at the same time because you can only hook one up to a house. Unless you run two entirely separate transfer switches running separate sets of breakers. I could be wrong on that but I don't think you can combine two input lines. They make parallel power kits but I think they max out at 50 amps, you'd need one rated for 100 amps. Even so it looks like a good unit. I'd love to have one!
Have you tested it on your house, and if you do, it would be great to know how big your house is. I'm considering this for my house because I live in a rural area and don't have access to NG .
I haven’t tested it yet but video coming soon, looks like a very well built unit I can’t wait to test it, waiting for a hot day so I can run my 5 ton A/C Thanks for watching
Uggg, not again.... Westinghouse needs new design engineers. Why do they keep installing the 50 amp outlets just above the wheel. Dont they know that you cant plug in the damn huge cords fully in because the cords are so big that they hit the wheel and keep you from having the plug plugged in fully to the socket???? My 50 amp cord wiggles/vibrates itself back out of the socket while its running. That`s a shock hazard waiting to happen. I`ve even left a message with westinghouse about it, nothing but crickets. Other than that design flaw, they do build a hell of a good generator. Our Wgen9500DF has been running perfect.
FYI. You don't need this big of a unit. The Westinghouse 12000df handles it with ease. Way under rated IMO. I ran (2) 5 ton Rheem ac units (13 eer) 16 seer. simultaneously on nat gas. 2 refrigerators and turned on my microwave. Ran like a swiss watch. Probably would not run both AC units at once in an emergency real life situation. At 348 lbs it's 100lbs heavier than the "other" 12k units. Obviously the 20K unit would do the job but it's not necessary. These twin cylinder Westinghouse units are absolute beasts.
Thanks Matt Always remember someone else might need more power and always try and run them at 50% of the rated load. Thanks for sharing this with us I appreciate it.
I'm not sure I get the point of this generator. It's 20KW running, but the most you can get out of any one receptacle is 50 amps. I guess you can run your house on one 50amp outlet and throw a line across the street for your neighbor! Believe it or not, many years ago I did exactly this for my neighbor. My generator wasn't even close to being as big as this, but I told him he could plug his fridge and tv in and that's it!
I like the fact you told him, you can plug the fridge and tv in and that’s it!!! 😅 This generator works perfect for food trucks and construction sites lots of plugs to utilize all that power
Great video, but all of your videos are great anyways! I have a silly question: can it be converted to dual or even tri-fuel by installing an aftermarket kit? Just curious... Thanks!
Where besides going to their website can I purchase one? Thanks so much for your post! Most on utube, that deal with portable generators only cover smaller wattage ones.
I think you can test it on you class A and just go buy another Class A and hook both up. Lol 😂. My back hurt just looking at that Gavin. Question I guess since it produces 240 volts, is that why it shows it on the meter v241, cause it can produce it? Will be waiting for the test. Thanks buddy 👍🙏
Lol she’s a big girl I wish you could’ve seen me pushing that thing through the grass you would’ve just passed out laughing it took everything I had 😅Never again
@@GeneratorReviews Thanks, I was just asking before buying one. I've heard several people have had this issue with it just shutting itself off. Has your WGen ran fine?
Hello Gavin, I am so sorry but I need you to answer another question for me please. How do I connect this generator to run my entire house? I am told by an electrician I cant connect to a double panel and that nothing can be done to connect to a single house panel? Is he talking rubbish? I just want to power the whole house with it...
You need to get a new electrician ASAP. Please consult with another, I would definitely get a second opinion. You need to install a Generator interlock kit
It’s gasoline but I haven’t found a manufacturer that sells a tri fuel kit for this model I am communicating with one on getting one made for Gasoline propane and natural gas so I can hook it up directly to the house natural gas
@@GeneratorReviews Please let me know if you find a way to achieve this with out voiding the warranty on the unit. I’m looking for a duel fuel unit this size. Thanks again for your video and reply.
Westinghouse 12000df is more than enough. Comes standard with the regulator. These are way under rated. Nothing in this category comes close. Don't use a load block, not enough juice under load (5 ton ac). Just install 1/2mip x 3/8 nipple. Runs like a champ with perfect plug temps. The 12000df provides stupid power for portable gen. Ran (2) 5 ton ac units, 2 refrigerators, and a microwave simultaneously. Nuff said.....
@@mattulrich2840 How did you wire up to 2 5 Ton ACs? Did you parallel the 50 and 30a feeds into 2 breakers in the panel? Did you have soft start modules on them?
I have owned this unit for several months now. I have successfully tested the unit running two 5 ton AC's (with Micro-Air Easy Starts and not firing off simultaneously). In addition I needed to run a small data room that pulls approx. 3000 watts and has a 2 ton mini split. This generator ran without issues although I will say if it was a true emergency with no power I would not press my luck with the second 5 ton AC unit (it is a lot on that 50A circuit). For extra piece of mind I added an energy monitoring unit on the generator inputs to the house. This thing is a fuel hog because of its size and when I decided to oversize I believe I went too far. I needed a generator that had a THD under 5 because of the data room, and there are not a plethora of options out there in larger units. Looking forward to seeing your video to see if you have similar results (especially on fuel burn).
Thanks for sharing this info with us. The only other one that could compare even closely with this generator is the Powerhorse 27000 but it does not have the low idle mode feature. I am planning on doing the comparison between those two. When gas prices get cheaper lol.
Thanks for watching
I just tested my 12000df running NG. It also ran 2 - 5 ton Rheem units simultaneously, no hard start kits. I was astonished. Started my microwave as well and 2 refrigerators were running. I let it run about 5 minutes in both AC units. Amazing!! And that was on NG...
For your setup diesel would have been much better. They don't consume much fuel and if the model is 1500rpm they output wave should have pretty low thd. , And if u still think the electronics on your server room is an issue. I highly recommend an online ups .
@@KuntalGhosh 1800rpm diesel would be a first choice but a 20kw single phase kWiet power costs about $26,000 these days. Even a 14kw will set you back $16,000. As for UPS's, all the equipment is sitting behind two Eaton 9PX 6000's with two EBMs each.
How do you have it wired into your house?
Gavin, thanks for answering my question regarding the frequency of this generator. Although Amazon advertises it as a 50Hz machine, you are right, it is a 60Hz machine as noted in the owner's manual. We received ours last week and have completed the interlock and inlet plug on one of our 200a panels. We had a bit of electrical work to accomplish as we needed to balance the load between panels. That work is complete now and all we have left to do is to install another interlock and inlet plug on the second panel. The test run on the first panel went flawlessly and the generator performed perfectly.
Wow, 17 gal tank. That's comparable to my Nissan Frontier truck when I fill it up. It drinks that much producing 5000 watts for 17 hrs. Glad I don't need that much power.
House? This generator could power my entire neighborhood.
He he ..I believe you...lol
I have a large house with total 7.5rt of air conditioning (all inverter panasonic multi minisplits) , 2hp water pump and many more loads. So if i really want to i can exceed the power output of this genarator 😂
For some weird reason I just heard Tool Time Tim grunt and say "More Power"!
:o)
@@KuntalGhosh😂😂😂
I had the 12, 500 unit and that was at the 358 lb range. I got a Hernia when I saw this Monster!
Do you still have it?
Guess you need portable...I built a shed for mind 9500-watt and don't plan on moving it... runs my whole home with 4 ton ac
Make sure you treat the fuel and turn the fuel switch off to let the generator shut down on its own. That will clear the fuel in the carburetor. Then turn off the power switch. Be blessed and a blessing Amen.
Thanks buddy
That thing is a beast. The RPM didn't seem to change when you enabled the low idle feature. Also, I suspect the sound level will increase somewhat as the load increases. It would be interesting to hear the sound level at near full load.
The RPMs began to drop after 15 seconds or so...It doesn't really seem like an inverter gen where it will continue putting out rated voltage/frequency at idle. I'd like to see what the voltage/freq is when it idles down...
@@NukePooch1 That is a question I have as well. I have a Honda inverter generator and of course use the Econo-Idle feature all the time. I've always been curious how the conventional generators achieve the idle-down functionality.
@@eosjoe565 I bought a new 2017 Honda EM4000SX. It is a conventional gen. with "ECO THROTTLE". Compared to other non-inverter gens. it is extremely quiet on low idle (hi idles as well) with "NO" load. When "ANY" kind of load is applied the RPM kicks up to hi idle. Where this gen. really shines is on a construction site. Example: Say you have three corded tools plugged in, a circular saw, a table saw, and a roto-hammer. when all tools are not used the gen. idles at a low, quiet, fuel saving mode. When a tool is picked up and started the RPM kicks up to high idle, then down to low idle when the tool is stopped. In 2021, I sold the EM4000SX for $1800, $200 less than what I paid after owning for 4 yrs. I put that money toward a new 2021 EU3000is. I miss the 5000 watts surge power, and the 4000 running watts of the EM4000SX, but the whisper quiet inverter is a huge trade off. Hope this helps.
EDIT:
The EM4000SX engine is the revolutionary "igx270". The idle, governor and voltage regulation functions are computer controlled resulting in one of the most easy quick starting, smooth running, quiet and efficient engines in it's class. The carb has two stepper motors, one for "ECO THROTTLE" idle control, and the other for electric automatic choke. There is a manual choke lever. In 4 yrs. I never had to use it. The auto choke worked even in +15 degree cold weather with one turn of the electric starter key. When I sold generator, it still has the original battery which was functioning as new. Did I mention that I miss that generator?
It's a big honkin' dog hiding in a small cheap little doghouse. Normally, hardware like this isn't considered Mobile.
@@seymourscagnetti1413great story, stick to Honda, nothing like it.
I always make sure my Subaru Forester is toped in case I need reserve fuel for my WGEN 12,500…but that beast is ridiculous. Good video.
and how do you get it out of the Forester? Fuel rail? It is not that easy from my experience thinking about it.
Oil filter and cooler which means it’s a pressurized system! Very nice! Great vid.
Got mine in this past Wednesday. It’s a MONSTER!! My house has 2 ACs, sump pump and pool pump. I figure this will get the job done. Just need to have the plug wires to my panel now.
👍🏾💯
sounds pretty quiet .....have you run it yet?
@@rockystelone21 Not yet but soon waiting to run my 5 ton A/C
how did you end up wiring your panel to this to take avantage of the 100 amps available?
@@condor5635 the electrician wired in a 50amp box to the outside of my garage wall and then wired into the main panel. Power goes out and I turn main breaker off. I have a separate breaker to turn on power to the 50amp outlet when the generator is on. He made it also so no back feeding of the lines to protect lineman.
WOW, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL GENERATOR , TOO EXPENSIVE TO RUN THOU. EXCELLENT VIDEO ! THANKS FOR SHARING !
I have a Generac 17500 with a tri fuel kit and 10 100lb bottles. I may sell that for one of the low THD Westinghouse units. Need to give this some thought. I suspect the wgen 12000 would be ample with a couple soft start kits on the 5 ton and 3.5 ton then maybe a couple propane pulsar 2000 inverters for the two extra refrigerators and two freezers in the garage. That 28K is tempting as it I could probably back feed both 200 amp panels one is for pool and hot and patio. The only negative I can see to the Wgen 20000 is the oil needs changed every 50 hours. Who wants to change the oil every two days in a grid down situation. The Wgen 12000 DF requires oil change every 100 hours. I also like how Westinghouse manual shows you how to remove the bonded neutral wire.
No, you don’t have to change the oil every 50 hours only with conventional oil
once you switch to 5w30 synthetic you can go 100 - 150 hours
Gavin, that’s a frickin motorcycle motor, that’s crazy! What’s funny about this generator is that everything is comparable to the other smaller Gen’s such as gas usage time of 17 gallons= 11 hr’s of run time. Everything is proportional, just bigger and more of everything !!!!
Can you overrun it by plugging your entire house items?
@Gavin's Garage please hurry make a video about this generator powering your house and most important how you're able to harness the entire 20,000 watts to the house...I would buy one immediately
Nice vid. ...
Power dense for sure for its size:
Suggestion from a multiple decade small engine mechanic. .....make sure that you maintain the unit well.
I personally refuse to work on Westinghouse generators as since they are fully made in China major service parts are very hard to come by.
In your opinion which top three portable genny would you recommend? Thanks
@@rockystelone21 For feature density as well as price my favorite import brand is WEN.
They are best in class priced and if one requires help they go out of their way as an organization to assist.
After working on a few of their open frame gennys I bought one of my own and couldn't be happier w/ the unit.
Three years old and just passed 2,000 hrs.
Zero problems.
@@RK-df1tk thank you for responding to my question.
Oh wow that is a lot of power!!!
Nice to see it actually does have a respectable low THD. I bet it sounds mean when its under full load.
Westinghouse say less then 5% THD ...... but a real test will be nice
It's nice that it is sinewave.
Westinghouse! ; if you see this video, come-on bro... something this big and heavy needs four wheels.
Three quarters of people who could buy this, won't because it's hard to move around
I’m going to have to agree with you, that’s a great idea.
True story
Would really like to see a load test and THD output on the scope like you have on your other videos.
Yep I will do that 👍🏾
@@GeneratorReviews have you had a chance to check it yet?
@@faststang85 Waiting for summer so I can run my 5 ton AC and give it a proper load test
Is the video out?
Great Review 👍 with it size/wattage Duel/tri Fuel would be even better - if that happens then this is the one for me and i would then recommend to family and friends - Thank You
All I can say is: "Holy crap!"
That’s exactly what I said when I tried pushing it halfway in the yard. By myself!!!
I thought it would be much louder. I'm impressed with that monster.
Dang that thing huge
Running this generator for 24h would cost about $120 up here in Canada (assuming a continuous 1 gal/h consumption)
Pretty much all regular genarators are pure sine wave but they have distortion & voltage instability in the very simple models
If I had one of these, I think I would convert it to use propane or natural gas. Install at least a 100 gallon propane tank to use it for home backup.
Yes I’m going to convert it to tri fuel gas, propane and natural gas
Where I live, 10 percent ethanol gasoline at 116000 btu's is $3.90 a gallon, propane at 92500 btu's is $2.59 a gallon and 1 therm of natural gas at 100000 btu's is $1.20 from my last bill. Natural gas is most economical way of running that generator, propane is the next best. Assuming you have the correct plumbing for natural gas.
Wow what a machine ! I just bought a Generac GP17500E ! & that's 17,500 watts & 26,250 surge & 30 HP , What is the HP ratting on this MONSTER ? I thought it was cool that it has dual exhaust ! & I thought I bought overkill DAMN!!!!!!!! Thanks for the video.
It’s a BEAST 31 hp at 3600rpm
@Venice Cox I have the same generator as you and I strongly believe Generac ripped us off by passing this generator as a 17,500 continuous watts but actually we only get 12,000 watts MAX continuous from the 50 amp plug so where is the other 5,500 watts to use towards my house?
@@johnnyqwest6901 I ended up getting the Generac GP15000E after waiting 6 months for GP17500E & getting a run around from a company called Mowers World that never delivered ! But they did give me my money back, But the price of generators went up quite a bit in that time . But I'm happy with the GP15000E , But not paying more for less watts , & it's pretty much the same as the GP17500E ! Same engine , 30 HP , fuel capacity 16 gallon , & frame cradle , & wheels .
@@jeffreyjackson7949 Sorry to hear that ! But as I stated I went with the GP15000E do to problems with the wait period from the company I was dealing with at the time ! & I'm happy with the one I went with.
@@ACF6180T good part about 15K is floating neutral if your back feeding an inlet
Good lord man I didn't even know they made them that big haha
Yep! lol
How would you hook this up to your house? Can you use 2 - 50 amp inlet boxes connected to two double pole 50 amp circuit breakers? You got over 100 amps this thing can generate
I wish this would come TRI-FUEL because it's easier to also use propane or natural gas when there is no gasoline around..
I just got my Westinghouse WGen 20000 off the Home Depot Website Just now. Its back on the market for $3499 USD. !
That is a big boy need a try fuel kit nice video
Yep that’s the first upgrade
Thank you Gavin for a nice video. I have this beast being delivered today. I ended up purchasing mine from Amazon with free delivery for $3500. I'm excited to try this thing out. I just finished wiring my 50 amp plug to my main panel including a lockout plate. My question is; do I have to ground the chassis or is it self grounded? Thanks again!
Congrats👍🏾 you don’t have to ground your generator when connected to the Inlet box because your home is already grounded on the main panel
they cost $5,400 now on amazon
@@miguelarreguin64 Ugh... So much for this purchase 😢
How did you like it??
$3349 on Home Depot currently in stock. I just had 2 delivered.
I'm curious and maybe someone reading this will know the answer to this. Each 50amp outlet produces a max output of 12kW, how would you cannect both 50amp outlets to your house to have a 24Kw total capacity?
I’ve never seen this done before so I can’t say if that would work or not.
I have the same question. Also if it maxes out at 12000 watts with 50 amp are the other 8000 watts just a waste?
Put a box use some Polaris taps to parallel them together then from the box set 100amp breaker
Cant wait to see the load test
Hey Gavin, I just got this generater. I think theres a design flaw in the starter controls panel. Can you check to see if the back of your choke cable is broken from hitting the side of the air cleaner cover? Thanks and your love the channel!
I just checked mine and yes it’s broken the same way as you mentioned. The angle is to sharp but it’s just a choke cable. Get some electrical tape and it should be ok
Awesome machine!
WOW the only thing missing are cup holders!
That low idle switch is not an Eco mode switch. With the switch on it lowers the rpm only if there is zero demand. If there is no demand, it will slow down. If you turn on a load be it 100 watts or 10,000 watts, it jumps up to the 3600 rpm assuming it is a 2 pole generator.
Do u buy all these generators or r they given to you? Also what do u do with all of them after your review? If u feel like getting rid of 1 of them i could use it. Great video by the way i watch these all the time.
Just email me you could find my email in my bio
Let me know when you’re ready to get one
@@GeneratorReviews thank you for commenting i sent you an email
Geeeezus.....that beast is as big as my home stand by genny.🤣🤣🤣🤣 I could only imagine how much gas that thing uses. Nice genny no matter what. Not too loud either ....albeit not under load. Can't wait for the test vid. Thank you. Hope you and your family had a great Thanksgiving.
Thanks Paul Happy thanksgiving
I’m going to upgrade it to run on natural gas, propane and gas tri fuel
@@GeneratorReviews Nice. That's going be great. You shouldn't lose too much power when running it on LP or NG. With that size genny you'll still have enough power to generate for the neighborhood.🤣🤣🤣 I can't wait to see how clean the power is once your hook it up to your oscilloscope. Good luck and looking forward to your next vid.
Great review, like all of your reviews. Very clear with all the important points. Are you planning to review the Westinghouse 0:06 Ecogen10000? I don’t need -and couldn’t handle- the 28000 watt beast, but the 10k inverter model looks perfect to run my cabin, with a septic pump/grinder.
Thanks 🙏🏾 checkout the GenMax gm10500
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sound tests IMO should be done at at least 50% load, then you can say that that would be almost the loudest it will be,
Yep I will do a db test at 25 50 and full load once I change the oil and run it some more.
Thanks Alzzie👍🏾
The only problem is I wish I had recoil start. That would be a hell of a pull to get that bad boy going
Bro you have a good prepper page. Im having the switch put in and Im probably gonna buy this generator
What will you be powering with this generator?
@@GeneratorReviews whole house
thats a awesome Generator... but your going to have to take out a loan if it runs more than a couple of days !
lol I'm converting it to tri fuel gas propane and natural gas.
@@GeneratorReviews Can you please send me the link for the tri fuel conversion kit.
@@bndtwbgditddnttmotb I need to find out if he has manufactured one for this unit yet
Oh man! Sure looking forward to your stress testing this one Gavin!
I’d like to see the sine wave it actually produces. Actual thd.
Yep... I'd bet a months pay that it's NOT true sine wave.
Ive just ordered one to come to Australia.
Wow!! Happy new year 🎊
Oh wow!!
One big question….where is it made? Westinghouse long ago sold their name as well as their reputation to whoever would pay for it.
2 other questions, inverter or not? What RPM does it run at, (1800 good, 3600bad)
Anyone ever had the idea to extend the exhaust upwards about a few feet , like an 18 wheeler style exhaust set up . Would that help on noise?
I say you give it a try and let us know. You got my attention.🤔
Gavin I have a question if you don't mind.....Thinking about buying the Westinghouse 15KW Dual fuel of course for my house and between this one. But the 15vKW genny seems to be a better fit for what I want to use for. Which one is be better for short duration of use? Thank You.
These are both hard working Generators If you don’t need 28,000 W starting I would go with the 15 dual fuel
They’re both the same brand you really can’t go wrong
Man I really like this generator , This might not be a practical generator for your whole house But you would not have to for sure for sure Worrying about needing any more power How much did you actually test this one
The best part about this generator is you can run your entire house and for sure run it probably at 30%. It will last forever because its never going to be stressed out.
waiting for the hot season to come so I can run the 5 ton AC on my home
Thanks for watching I hope I earned a subscribe
@@GeneratorReviews I have subbed already , I'm enjoying the videos And also the harder to find generators I can find on your channel and you're willing to test them for people
During a recent power outage in Katy, TX, I was recommended a specific individual by my community for generator needs. I noticed that he had a 28KW unit listed in his shop. Despite multiple inquiries about purchasing it, he insisted that it was a commercial generator unsuitable for home use, claiming it would damage household electronics and lighting. However, he used the same generator to test his own house. If he didn't want to sell the unit, he could have simply stated so instead of providing misleading information during a critical time. Fortunately, I chose not to buy from him, as he attempted to sell smaller generators, knowing they would be ineffective without a proper generator power inlet. Such business practices are not acceptable, especially during emergencies.
Yes, he is absolutely correct. The ideal generator for whole home backup is an inverter generator that generator is perfect for construction.
Heck of a gen, nice to see an oil filer and and easy oil drain port. Is this thing EFI?
No! That would have been nice 👍🏾
Question, can you power a single device while plugged into both 50A plugs to get a total of 100A on a single circuit?
Yes even after pulling a 100 amps the Gen still has 66.3 amps
@@GeneratorReviews Alright I just want to be sure. Because I plan on using something like this to feed 240v into a breaker box which then will be connected to 2 contactors which power both a 7.5 Hp and 2 Hp motors at the same time.
Just want to be sure this generator can handle the FLA of especially the 7.5 Hp motor since I can see a breaker on it that is 83A, but you said this can handle up to 233A? Of course using 240v draws less amps then 120v, but I just want to be sure.
Thank you and happy holidays 👍🙏❤
Thanks 🙏🏾 happy holidays
At today's gas prices it would cost at least $300 per day to run and that's only IF you can find the fuel to run it.
How loud is it? Im going camping. Just need lights, phones, and a fan. How long would this last me? I will be there for a week.
This is the wrong generator for that job. You may want to look at something in the 7000 W range.
17 gallon fuel tank! Only $85 to fill up in NorCal. Where do your test units go when you are done with them, Gavin?
I’ll find them a new home after my reviews
@@GeneratorReviews You can always send that duromax 9000 my way i'll pay for shipping hahaha
How do you take advantage of the full 20,000 watts? If the only way to hook it up to the house is via a 50 amp, your looking at 12,000 amps max.
It has two 50a plugs to take advantage of the output power.
@@GeneratorReviews So do you connect two 50a breakers into the single main panel box? Essentially a parallel feed?
@@donaldjeansonne8667 That’s kind of how it works out if you look at it that way
@@GeneratorReviews Is there a phasing concern with paralleling the 2 feeds? I never saw this before. I have seen someone have to feed two separate panels which are isolated from each other.
@@donaldjeansonne8667 I guess if they’re isolated from each other I shouldn’t have a phasing problem
of course it will 20 kw and a v twin cylinder two pistons running cuts down on the load and the only way to go portable no matter who makes it will last you a life time if you maintain it or change the oil every 50 hours and burn all the gas out of it before storing it away
Agreed 👍🏾 150 - 200hrs will be fine the oil today is very good.
What the? That hose said "Made in Japan" on it? Last time I saw small parts like that made there Crockett and Tubbs were still driving around Miami in a Testarossa!
Seems like overkill. I don't know how you could utilize two 50 amp outlets at the same time because you can only hook one up to a house. Unless you run two entirely separate transfer switches running separate sets of breakers. I could be wrong on that but I don't think you can combine two input lines. They make parallel power kits but I think they max out at 50 amps, you'd need one rated for 100 amps. Even so it looks like a good unit. I'd love to have one!
I ran into a few food trucks using this, and they actually max it out
Thank you!
That the same sound i hear in my neighborhood when the stand by are running
Yep! you’re right sounds exactly like the standby Generator
Have you tested it on your house, and if you do, it would be great to know how big your house is. I'm considering this for my house because I live in a rural area and don't have access to NG .
I haven’t tested it yet but video coming soon, looks like a very well built unit
I can’t wait to test it, waiting for a hot day so I can run my 5 ton A/C
Thanks for watching
Uggg, not again.... Westinghouse needs new design engineers. Why do they keep installing the 50 amp outlets just above the wheel. Dont they know that you cant plug in the damn huge cords fully in because the cords are so big that they hit the wheel and keep you from having the plug plugged in fully to the socket???? My 50 amp cord wiggles/vibrates itself back out of the socket while its running. That`s a shock hazard waiting to happen. I`ve even left a message with westinghouse about it, nothing but crickets. Other than that design flaw, they do build a hell of a good generator. Our Wgen9500DF has been running perfect.
How the heck did you get it off the pallet?
At this point diesel generators are way better, in terms of noise & efficiency they win
+ No worry about getting bad petrol.
I have a question regarding the 50AMP output. Do I need a parallel connector to push 100 AMP service to the house?
No just use the the two 50_ plugs
@@GeneratorReviews Can you show this set up in detail? I am considering the same arrangement. Thank you!
That fuel tank is BIGGER then my car's tank.
FYI. You don't need this big of a unit. The Westinghouse 12000df handles it with ease. Way under rated IMO. I ran (2) 5 ton Rheem ac units (13 eer) 16 seer. simultaneously on nat gas. 2 refrigerators and turned on my microwave. Ran like a swiss watch. Probably would not run both AC units at once in an emergency real life situation. At 348 lbs it's 100lbs heavier than the "other" 12k units. Obviously the 20K unit would do the job but it's not necessary. These twin cylinder Westinghouse units are absolute beasts.
Thanks Matt
Always remember someone else might need more power and always try and run them at 50% of the rated load.
Thanks for sharing this with us I appreciate it.
I'm not sure I get the point of this generator. It's 20KW running, but the most you can get out of any one receptacle is 50 amps. I guess you can run your house on one 50amp outlet and throw a line across the street for your neighbor! Believe it or not, many years ago I did exactly this for my neighbor. My generator wasn't even close to being as big as this, but I told him he could plug his fridge and tv in and that's it!
I like the fact you told him, you can plug the fridge and tv in and that’s it!!! 😅
This generator works perfect for food trucks and construction sites lots of plugs to utilize all that power
That monster would take 3 men and a teenage boy to move around 😹Great video
Great video, but all of your videos are great anyways! I have a silly question: can it be converted to dual or even tri-fuel by installing an aftermarket kit? Just curious... Thanks!
Yes it will be able to be converted to natural gas after a kit for this model is available
@@GeneratorReviews Hey brother, could it be this one?
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Where besides going to their website can I purchase one? Thanks so much for your post! Most on utube, that deal with portable generators only cover smaller wattage ones.
Amazon has it.
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I think that could run a neighborhood
Probably could run the whole neighborhood😅
Can you do a test plz on your house or RV
I think you can test it on you class A and just go buy another Class A and hook both up. Lol 😂. My back hurt just looking at that Gavin. Question I guess since it produces 240 volts, is that why it shows it on the meter v241, cause it can produce it? Will be waiting for the test. Thanks buddy 👍🙏
Lol she’s a big girl
I wish you could’ve seen me pushing that thing through the grass you would’ve just passed out laughing it took everything I had 😅Never again
@@GeneratorReviews hope you didn’t hurt yourself buddy. I appreciate you doing this test for us.
Hello, have you had any problems with this generator shutting itself off? If so, what is causing this? Thanks
You’re probably running low on oil or an oil sensor or the CO monitor.
I wouldn’t know without seeing it
@@GeneratorReviews Thanks, I was just asking before buying one. I've heard several people have had this issue with it just shutting itself off. Has your WGen ran fine?
Wonder who ,akes this engine and how hard it would be to convert to natural gas?
I’m waiting on a response from one of the manufacturers that makes the kits so I can convert to natural gas
@@GeneratorReviews Will make a good video of you converting this generator to natural gas.
Can both 50 amp receptacle be used at the same time to get max amp’s?
@@GeneratorReviews thanks
Have you heard of Lifan 15KW portable generator?
No I haven’t heard of that brand but looks like a solid built unit
This is a sea sick video. He needs a tripod. I like the idea, but the video is to moving and jerky.
Getting better at it now
Thanks
Did you say this generator has a water cooler for keeping it to run cool or is this just a air cooled unit? Also, is this gas tank a metal or plastic?
It has an oil cooler and air cooled
Gas tank is metal
Hello Gavin, I am so sorry but I need you to answer another question for me please. How do I connect this generator to run my entire house? I am told by an electrician I cant connect to a double panel and that nothing can be done to connect to a single house panel? Is he talking rubbish? I just want to power the whole house with it...
You need to get a new electrician ASAP.
Please consult with another, I would definitely get a second opinion.
You need to install a Generator interlock kit
Do you sell any of these generators once your done testing them
Yessir.. Once I’ve done all my videos I will
@@GeneratorReviews if the Cummins 4500 or Westinghouse 4500 is available I am interested in one of them
can use both 50 amp same time ??
Yes you can👍🏾
Hi Gavin, how much does this thing cost roughly? Please let me know. I would like to buy one....
You can get this one on Home Depot website for $3500
Thanks for watching
Does it come with duel fuel capabilities
It’s gasoline but I haven’t found a manufacturer that sells a tri fuel kit for this model
I am communicating with one on getting one made for Gasoline propane and natural gas so I can hook it up directly to the house natural gas
@@GeneratorReviews Please let me know if you find a way to achieve this with out voiding the warranty on the unit. I’m looking for a duel fuel unit this size. Thanks again for your video and reply.
Same here. I’d be interested to know as well.
Westinghouse 12000df is more than enough. Comes standard with the regulator. These are way under rated. Nothing in this category comes close. Don't use a load block, not enough juice under load (5 ton ac). Just install 1/2mip x 3/8 nipple. Runs like a champ with perfect plug temps. The 12000df provides stupid power for portable gen. Ran (2) 5 ton ac units, 2 refrigerators, and a microwave simultaneously. Nuff said.....
@@mattulrich2840 How did you wire up to 2 5 Ton ACs? Did you parallel the 50 and 30a feeds into 2 breakers in the panel? Did you have soft start modules on them?
Do you have a video that shows it produces a true 5 percent thd?
And are they as safe as an inverter generator
It’s not as clean as an inverter or as quiet but the the power availability makes up for the difference.
So what would you recommend to power my backup home 3300 sq ft
How are you getting anywhere near 20000 watts with a 50 amp?
This generator has multiple outlets that allows you to run several different applications simultaneously.
man i want this but there are no natural gas conversion kits out there yet
It will come soon
@@GeneratorReviews how soon? im in louisiana and wanted to get it for hurricane season lol i might go with the generac 17.5kw. i want portable
@@GeneratorReviews Any updates on who is making a NG conversion kit and when it will be available?
@@JustintiJTI Still haven’t heard or seen anything
Where can I buy one of these generators in Europe?
I don’t know where you would find one
can this be converted to Natural gas
I’ve been checking I haven’t found a manufacturer that has made one yet.
How much does it cost?
www.gavins-garage.com/product/20000-running-watts-and-28000-peak-watts-easy-access-start-panel-with-keyed-electric-start-choke-knob-and-fuel-control-valve-up-to-17-hours-of-run-time-at-25-load/
Is this to load for food truck
It would be hard moving it around but its not really load
I don't see the word INVERTER, , but it does claim to produce sine wave power???
I thought the same thing will see once I test it