TRYING to Paint with REALLY Old Watercolors
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- Watch me investigate and try to paint with a REALLY old watercolor palette.
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@Kristy Rice, I have one like that from my grandmother. It was bought for her sister in 1914 in Karlsruhe, Germany at Christmas. It was from the local village store and the paints were mixed by the shop owner. It was for young ladies and they would have small painting parties on the lawn in the Spring and Summer. My grandmothers sister painted many watercolour paintings but most of them were lost when they escaped from Germany in 1919. My grandmother said the paints were made from natural pigments and some of which were also used in ladies “makeup” rouge, powders, lip tints etc. The art on the front was printed by the local printer. These were not mass produced in a factory. They were local from what we would call mom and pop shops. Which explains why you couldn’t locate info on them on line. I hope this helps some. I hope you treasure your fairly rare prize. #Artforjoysake
Oooh my heavens THIS seriously made my day!! Omgosh thank you for sharing!!
My pleasure🥰
Wow that is mindblowing. Thank you for telling us this. Incredible!!
This is such great inside info!
Wow thank you so much for sharing this. What a lovely piece of history ❤
I would absolutely keep painting with it. I have this - weird - empathy for inanimate objects where I want their "duty" in life to be realized. Putting paint on a shelf does not let it become what it is supposed to be, it is supposed to be used to create and that is what you are doing. Absolutely lovely work :)
You n I are on the same page, Jade! I absolutely understand.
Mel 🍰🌻
Sort of art historian here! This is my guess without seeing it person but the art on the tin looks very Edwardian to me (1901-1920). The reason the paint smells sweet is more than likely because it is honey based paint but bear in mind lead can have a sweet taste too. Either way make sure you wash your hands thoroughly after handling. I wouldn't be surprised if this was made for sale in in an English speaking territory because on the English writing on the box. The only anomaly is the plastic on the brushes. I have my doubts that plastic would have been used that long ago, It just wasn't common. It may be that they were repaired or replaced at some point. This by the way is my guess. I can't see it up close and I'm not an antique dealer so take what I say with a pinch of salt.
I was wondering about lead. I was also thinking it might be good to wear a mask. I’m thinking about what women used to put on their faces back then.
Thank you for sharing this. It’s such a beautiful antique! And the artwork she she turned it into from this paint is amazing.
I just want her to proceed with caution.
My thoughts exactly Renda Jane
Well the only thing I can think of is the sweet smells might come from honey. Also honey stored at the wrong temperature (say Arizona summer heat) turns a dark brown and has a sticky sweet smell, almost a cloying odor. (I worked for a pest control company, old hives are hard to get rid of in walls and ceilings) Honey does draw fungus. And old inactive fungus is brown. It also infiltrates thru the tops sides and bottom of things. Think cheese. Iron and other metals in the paint can rust, but but the box doesn’t show a lot of rust and they wouldn’t have made the box from brass. In any case please wear gloves, and a use a mask. Consider painting with them outside. An keep them away for other paints. Fungus loves new places to go. But by all means use them, enjoy them, they were made for this. The colors are beautiful and I love he painting.
Maybe not plastic but celluloid of some kind?
@@AVToth Perhaps a quill from a feather
I'd continue painting with them. They're only going to deteriorate further and what better way to preserve them than to make art with them. The pieces you did here are absolutely stunning!
Agree and thank you!!
But they are not going to deteriorate more over time, not unless they are introduced to something that will cause them to do so.
I’ve seen in museums that still have some of the old school watercolor artist’s palettes still on display and they look just as the day they were last left on their painting desks! If reactivated today, they’d still work just as they did when they were last used hundreds of years ago (assuming that nothing out of the ordinary contaminated the paints over the years) because they are water soluble and that’s how they are meant to work! They cannot dry out any more, but even in a cracked and crumbly state, the paints still work just the same! The only thing that affects is how well they stay/don’t stay in their individual pans, that’s it.
But I bought a post card from a picture of one of these palettes I saw in the museum years ago being thought it was really neat that it was still in the same condition. I still have that postcard tucked away somewhere and forget the name of the famous artist of who’s palette it was, but that always stuck with me that they were so well preserved over time and that’s why I always laugh when people ask if their old palette will still work…and by “old” what they usually mean is that it’s only a couple of years old. If anything, these much older palettes will preserve longer because they don’t contain all the extra crap we use today as fillers and they used heavy and toxic things (not all the time) in their paints back then so they should last longer. But honestly, I would not use paints from back then because of that last point as you don’t know what’s in any of them. Many artists back then mixed their own paints from scratch, which is really neat, but not so good since you don’t really know what’s in them. The only way to find out for sure, is to get them tested for any potential toxic components in them.
Oh, wow!!! The most surprising thing for us was that what appeared to be Rose Madder, one of the most fugitive colors when exposed to light, was about the only one that maintained something like its original identity! Gum arabic, honey and oxgall can all be subject to change over time, and since most semi-moist cakes have a humectant (something to draw moisture), there was likely some activity in storage. That muted, subtle warm palette was so evocative of the antique past- we think your paintings really did this rare gem justice!
Always look forward to your insight!
I vote for continuing to create beautiful art with it and plop that tin back up a shelf for decoration when you're done. That paint is SCREAMING to be used! I love the colors that have come from it.
Really gorgeous personalities to these colors!
I’m impressed by the variety you found in all those browns. I’m fascinated by old palettes, too!
I actually love the neutrals! The paintings you made were so gorgeous. I might mix up a bunch of browns to paint with the next time I have a painting session. This is really inspiring.
Go for it!
Make a dark cranberry color like that!
I wish I was a lot better at mixing because I am mesmerized by that color.
I want that painting!!!!!! It’s stunning!
I’ve loved this little stroll through history! Please continue to use this palette and bring those beautiful sepias to life!! Thanks for being you!!
More to come!
Lady, you really know how to have fun! What lovely, subtle paintings you made.
I would say use the paint by all means. Just as an old instrument has no voice on a shelf, these paints deserve a life, and you can give it to them.
Amen and amen. Thanks for watching!!
My oldest palette is a 1976 wooden Winsor and Newton box that I received new for my 16th birthday! Because of its size I didn’t use it much and so it still has a lot of the original paints, including a full set of full pan cadmium reds yellows and oranges (not used as I’m a bit prone to paintbrush licking so I avoid toxic colours!). Most of the remaining colours still appear the same as the current versions, except for the burnt Sienna which looks like it’s sourced from a very different earth pigment to the modern one-I much prefer it!
I suspect the watercolour palette in your video had fugitive dye based colours in a watercolour base. Most traditional non fugitive artists pigments retain colour for decades or even centuries!
For the 70ies palette: there's a German colour manufacturer named A. Liebtruth & Wieland (now Draw.tek) I think from Frankonia that existed since the 19th century. they make Angora paints and Finetek paints. I think they were originally located in Nuremberg, Franconia (just like Schwan-Stabilo and Faber-Castell).
On their side they say Angora paint is tempera paint, but I think the modern paints look very similar to the classical Pelikan "Tuschkasten" (another old brand from Hanover, Lower-Saxony), which is concepted to be used in school to teach stuff like basic colour theory....We call them "Wasserfarben" (water colours) in Germany, but they are a bit more opaque and the pigments are not as finely milled compared to actual watercolours ("Aquarellfarben").
the design on the tin looks like Imperial empire (1871-1918) to me.
I'm not sure how small the production was, because it must have been big enough to export the product...back then I think the supply for children's water colours probably were more local compared to our global market.
the slogan "made in Germany" made me think that it was after 1887 because then it was used due to the British wanting to protect their local market from being flooded by German products so non-British products (especially German ones) had to be marked on the packaging. (kinda backfired on them especially in machines because those were actually good products). later during WW1 it was also used to mark products from war opponents.
though maybe the box was made in America and only the paint are German? After the failed revolution in the 1840ies a lot of people from Germany expatriated to America and they might have wanted to get products they were familiar with and knew how to use so they could teach their children or grandchildren.
though that I think of it Britain might be more likely.
I've seen a similar palette on etsy that had an art shop in London on the tin, so maybe those tins were made custom in small batches for the respective shop.
I think the pink looks like potter's pink. :)
Beautiful job painting with the antique paint. Bring it back to life
Unbelievable how absolutely stunning your work turned out with these!!!!!
WOW
Thank you so much!
I also vote for continuing to paint with the palette. Loved the final result.
Take it to the antique road show! 🙂
So fun for you to have shared this little treasure with us! Thank you, Kristy! Your art is so beautiful.
I love the antiques road show. It would fascinate me to see what they had to say about including what they may have used in the paint.
You are so welcome!
WOW!! I am totally fascinated by thos palette. I would paint using all the paints on arches until they were all gone. I would make a book out of all the paintings I xould do, and make a colour copy of the antique palette front enlarged as the cover. Now I want to find an antique watercolour paint palette of my own!!!
Go for it!
Wry good idea! 👍
Ok finished watching the whole video, bravo to your incredibly beautiful paintings, the scenery one and the last flower painting....WOW girl! So talented, beautiful colours from the old water paints ! Wow. Sending greetings from Australia 👏👏👏👏
How incredible! I'm never going to fear mud again 😂
You and me both!
I love the fact that it is old and the sepia vibe is beautifull
I will never do this (never say never, lol) but love watching! Yes! Keep playing with vintage materials! Just because they’re old doesn’t mean they weren’t meant to be used! 🎉 Also, it always seems to come down to the paper! Note to self, use the GOOD paper!
So true!
If the set is that old the ferrules on the brushes are probably quill. I found a set of antique French brush tips from the 1910s which are in quill ferrules.Try the burn test (often used to determine if fabric is organic or synthetic) Take a small scraping of the broken one and hold to a match flame. If it turns to ash it is organic (quill) if it melts it is synthetic.
Thanks for the info!
I hope you frame this one and give a place in your home. It will be so cool for your kids and the world to keep this pallette's story alive for history. Frame the art along with the palette and the blurb of the found story into one piece. Start your own watercolor museum. Yes, find more oldies but goodies. ❤
I love love LOVE the sepia tones!!!!
I really had fun with them despite my initial disappoint :)
Ok immediate thought “Kristy found herself a haunted watercolor palette y’all!” When you opened it to see the colors something inside me actually became fearful 🤦🏼♀️😂
When everything was coming out 50 shades of brown I was a bit bummed but also intrigued. The last 5 swatches were thrilling and that maroon ish color was to die for!
I love the results you accomplished, this is a gorgeous natural toned palette that could lead you down idea lane for a future product in my opinion (and secret hope)😊❤ gorgeous!
Paint with it and put it up to be pretty! Please don’t put that one in the cart it needs to be admired ❤❤❤
Also, that green palette, I need that palette! Can you please share more on it and where you found it?? I’m a vintage stuff collector and that color is my hearts desire! ❤ thank you, you’re amazing as ever! ❤❤❤❤
Don’t put that one in the cart 😂😂😂😂The green palette was a random find on eBay?!!
Sama, Kristy did long video about her collection of vintage pallettes. You would probably enjoy watching that! 😊
@@love2create62 I don’t recall seeing the green pallet in the video, I might’ve missed that?
@@KristyRice guess I need to get me an eBay account 😂
Wow love what you chose to paint with these Historic Paints 😊
Thanks so much 😊
This was so fun and fascinating. Surprised by that pinky shade. I’d really like to see more demos like this with old paint. But, gloves are probably a good idea.
Yeahhhh definitely
I think I would to call it Antique Cranberry. I loved that color. I wonder what it looked like back in the day.
Painting with them is definitely the best way to preserve them. It’s one my favorites by Kristy.
I'm thinking by using that older palette is bringing it back to life and kind of preserving the vintage way it looks and feels. When ever I think of the earlier days as in antique style, I think of browns and pinks. Good Kristy! You did a wonderful job in bringing back a place in time of the past and I would keep using the palette if need be in the future for an antique or vintage style painting project! Yay!
PAINT WITH IT!!! It’s magic is in your use of it…your art and the rhythm with which you create such is so moving, light, and incredible…thank you Kristy🙏🏻✌🏻🥰
Wow, thank you!
The sepia floral painting you created with the vintage palette is truly my favorite of all time. I would continue to paint with this. What a treasure.
Oh wow thank you!!
Beautiful! Reminds me of Van Gogh dusk colors! I have a 1895 home and collect unusual items. I’d say your correct on the age range just based on the illustration and script.
Thanks for sharing!
interesting. I , on the other hand, am painting with brand new watercolors, your Art for Joy's sake set. And using your dagger brush. Both of these items exceeded my expectations and I am having a blast with them. 🥰🥰🥰
You can make any paint look so pretty!
Thank you! Cheers!
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I love the brownish mauve flower painting you did with this old paint set! beautiful!
Thank you for sharing your deep passion for old pallettes. By the style of the design on the lid, I would guess somewhere in the 1800s. It looks very Victorian. A toy historian might know about it. I think I would have been wearing a mask and gloves while painting with it. That first painting you did is exquisite. I was just introduced to Five Below in the past year. Good to know they have some decent watercolor paper.
I love the brown shades painting! And wow! The pinks on the Arches paper!!
This is a beautiful palette, and seeing as we have palettes that come out today that are all blues or greens, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a super duper neutral palette like this on purpose back then.
Really good point!
This actually makes me emotional. This palette was well used and loved, and the fact that you are painting with it is a really beautiful tribute in a way to that person and the materials. I’m a bit sentimental and sappy but I feel that person could be looking down on you and they are so happy right now, seeing that you revived this palette with so much enthusiasm and joy.
I love this!
Looks beautiful on paper, when you were testing the colours. I would just frame that!
And I’m watching just now, your flower painting, looking so beautiful 😍
I looked it up and found one like it. If you type in Moist Colours vintage German watercolor paint you can find it. The one I seen was the exact same but with a different picture on it. It's from the 1920s.
I can see the paints livening on the arches!! Keep painting with them and enjoy them . They are beautiful
Yes they really did!
The sepia painting was just gorjuss! Thanks for showing us the vintage paints, I found immensely interesting and nostalgic!! And a also one colour paintings can be beautiful!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This kind of video is so interesting to me! Like you - as a watercolor lover, I so enjoy learning about the history of different sets. Thank you so much for doing this video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Apparently you achieved the actual pallet colors. This color demonstration of 100+ year old watercolors is a very appropriate rendition of what would have been produced commercially from a local 5&10 store back in those days. Great job!
Ohh I really had no idea!! Super cool to know!!
Glad you were able to produce a very nice piece of art with this vintage set. I have been looking at vintage watercolor paints on ETSY and the price can go anywhere from $25 to $500. Amazing.
You know, if it is that old, all those colors could be skin tones. But they are prob discolored or something. They used water colors primarily to color photographs and then films. And if that's the case, they would need to be completely transparent for the film. And I don't think that brush belongs in there. If it is old, it wouldn't have plastic on it. Unless it was repaired much later or something. I don't think plastic was in wide use until after the 50s. Either way, they are nice skin tones
So insightful thank you!!
Wauw, the painting are beautiful in these colours! Love the mystery of an old pallete like this, but I'm dying to know too.
What a lovely palette. I collect old tins too. My oldest palettes are out of wood and I've dated them to 1890's to early 1990's . I haven't painted with them....maybe I'll give it a try your painting is beautiful.
Such a unique experience, thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The colours in this antique palette are absolutely gorgeous. I love your paintings 💕
Thank you so much!
Use all the paint! I feel like the little girl that got these paints for Christmas wants you to make beautiful art!
the first swatch made me laugh 🤣
"okay, some earth tones at first i guess, i wonder what the next- brown. okay maybe- brown. well they can't all- brown."
truly an universal pallete, as long as you paint dirt
(although obviously you made some wonderful florals and landscapes!)
Yes! Paint with it and keep the tin for the sake of its history! Maybe some day you’ll get more info but it would be sad to leave it tucked away…those paints look happy to be revived!
That's the plan!
Love this! The palette & the art are so beautiful. I would keep using the palette.
I just ❤ those beautiful warm earth-toned colors & I too like those vintage watercolor palates. Then again I pretty much like a lot of antique & vintage finds. Btw, I enjoy ur channel so much. ❤ ur energy, ur aura, ur happy go lucky personality. We've got that in common. 🖌 ❤ 🎨
Have a JOYOUS day!
The paints should be used, absolutely. This work is lovely, has an antique look about it, just seems to fit with the palette from which it was created.
Wow! What a gift/find.... thanks for sharing it with us!
You bet!
I was given a 30+ year old set of watercolors, which I paint with. after watching this I feel like I’m painting with new colors. Feeling grateful. Amazed at the longevity of watercolors 😮😊 ❤ love the art joy ❤❤❤
Keep creating with this palette! It’s kinda like getting out the special china to eat on every day and enjoy it! Beautiful work and thanks for sharing this piece of history.
Yes! Thank you!
Love the colors!
Kristy, I Loved this video of you using a vintage paint set❣️. It was created to be used even if it's a hundred years later. You brought out the beauty in the paints with your awesome paintings. Yes! Buy more vintage tins and paint your beautiful way with them!!!
Also, I loved the background music you chose for them. ☺️💕
Oh thank you!
Fascinating.
I’d pull this out every fall. The colors just give me the warm cozy vibes.
I enjoyed this more than I imagined that I would! Your excitement was contagious with the pink and the mystery of it. The painting and the music was very soothing. ❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
How your picture came together, so pretty it’s so interesting when you talk about your water color collection I find it fascinating great channel great videos always enjoy them. Can’t wait to see your next one.
Thank you so much!
I love these old palettes! This is one of my favourite videos of yours. I love the final painting on the Arches paper!
I'm so glad!
Keep painting and make history come alive ❤❤❤😊xx
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OMG love it ❤ it has a vintage vibe it just looks Amazing
I'm sitting here cracking up - brown, still brown, more brown. Yay, looks like you found one that isn't brown. Before you pushed them I could see some granulation in some of them. Indulge yourself, yes. I agree, if not at home where? Letting yourself be free and making pretties while having fun...doesn't get better than that. Love the arrangement on the Arches and look at that pretty color. I'd paint with it and then pop the tin on the shelf to look pretty. Best of both worlds. Also, looks like I might need to head to $5 and Below.
Omg yes I was actually cracking myself up. That portion of the vid was real time so you were getting me 100% unscripted lol!
Here's more on that paper...
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Please create!!!! WOW! There is more joy putting it on paper than looking at the cakes in the tin! They were made for love! Happy Painting!🙂
Yes! Thank you!
Plastics came in use around the 20 -30s. Around that time potter’s pink became the first light fast pink of the era and that what it looks like. Burnt sienna and umber are true but the others just might not have held up to the lightfastness. There might have been an alizarin crimson but again might have had some lightfast issues and the same is true of vermillion etc. I enjoy studying older palettes and your ‘s really looks like late ish 1920’s. Pretty cool. Also originally I think as most of our palettes they were cross contaminated. Another thing is the Victorian style was still the in thing for other toys, dolls etc. older palettes are very common, I have some also and they were just as well loved as the ones we use these days. Very sweet.😊
❤️💜💕🥰 love this! Keep on going with the antique pallets!
Thank you! Will do!
@@KristyRice this makes me happy! 🥰💕
i agree that you should use them, they probably wouldn't be in any working condition ten or twenty years more down the line, it would be a waste not to use them. enjoy your incredible find, they have landed in good hands!
How exciting!!! My maternal great grandmother was German, but unfortunately she and my grandmother passed before I was born. This looks like the vintage of things left over from them. Absolutely love the painting!!
Continue painting!!! Limited pallette is wonderful sometimes.
amazon has LEAD testing strips for cheap!
would be interesting to see if kids were licking their brush tips and dipping into lead paint
GO ON with this wow palette♥︎♡♥︎♡♥︎♡
Thanks Kristy! So fun and daring for you to try out this very old palette. There’s definitely some variation of colors there. And loving your artwork…the sepia vibe is great! I believe in the persistence of genuine and high quality pigments, so I’m thinking this palette wasn’t created with the best pigments bc of course, it was a kid’s palette. I was recalling watching “Fake or Fortune” an older BBC produced program about people who think they may have a painting by a very famous artist and they turn to the experts to find out. Wow…I’ve learned so much about art and art history by watching that show. But one thing that sticks in my mind about pigments is that quality pigments made from earth minerals last….I’m sure some more than others. The show’s hosts and experts often examine pigments and oil paints and use very high powered equipment to do so. One time I remember they showed some pigment powders in glass jars that some very famous painter (can’t recall the name now) used to make his oils with. The pigments might have dulled slightly, but the colors were still showing themselves some 100 or even more years later. The science of color is amazing!
Both. Paint a few beautiful paintings w/it on ur best museum grade paper. Frame them w/acid free materials. Then put the palette on it's pride of place spot.
When you display these antique palettes you could place one of your lovely paintings along with it.
It is soooo amazing when you think that you are probably the first artist to use these for over a hundred years!
Aww love that thought!
So much fun. Thanks for sharing 💕
Thanks for watching!
My guess is that someone (maybe a kid) got mud in the palette or dropped it in the mud. The tin was probably wiped clean but the mud coated the paints. Thats why there are chunks under all the brown with color to them. If you really scraped away the top you might get more to the color below, but the mud water seems to have permeated into most of the paint.
At 18:52. I absolutely love what you are doing and how welcoming and fun you are. I discovered you a week ago and have been obsessed since. I have lost interest in most other things ...except eating. Your approach is not stuffy and full of words I need a dictionary for. I can't wait to see more. Love Love Love
Welcome welcome!! I’m so glad you’re here!!
I really enjoyed the mystery behind these paints. The last painting you made was awesome and it looked like the paper allowed more color and contrast to show through. Very neat video.
It’s wonderful that you are giving them another lease on life.
The sepia look is gorgeous
I love this little pallet. Sepia and their playfulness. What a fun find. So happy for you!
I think the “ plastic” looking parts are probably celluloid. Celluloid was very commonly used in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and plastic was actually created as a cheaper, more durable substitute for celluloid. When celluloid deteriorates over time, it becomes very, very brittle. Just touching it will make it shatter. Anyway, really cool vid! I’m glad I found your channel!😊
That makes sense given what I saw. It was definitely brittle and cracking easily
Amazing discovery and use of the here and thinking of the now! It would be so much fun to go back in time and use a find like that! What a story we could make if it’s past owner! As I watched you paint I was amazed to see colors begin to shine! Pinks and reds being born in the browns. Thanks I learn so much from you! Karen Dirmish
The whole thing is a work of art in-and-of itself, so I'd leave it as-is and just admire it as any other antique or heirloom and imagine who may have used it in the past-- maybe it was a Christmas gift under the tree a hundred years ago.... I doubt the unique colors started-out that way. Definitely from the Edwardian era, I would say, and definitely intended for English-speaking sale, not German. Since the spelling "colours" is used, it may have come from England. Displaying it in a shadow frame would be kinda cool.
This is awesome! Your painting is beautiful!
OMGosh I just heard the back story on the history. You are one blessed lady
to find this! BTW. Ordered your new brushes while watching “team replay” of the release. Can’t wait!
Wonderful!
If the brush is original to the oldest palette, and the ferrule is plastic, than the palette's probably from the 1900s - plastic was invented in 1907 (being a nerd, I looked it up, haha) "Belgian chemist and clever marketeer Leo Baekeland pioneered the first fully synthetic plastic in 1907. He beat his Scottish rival, James Swinburne, to the patent office by one day." Anyway - fascinating video.
I would continue painting with this palette!
I love the colors! I would definitely paint with it… and even refill the pan if I ran out😊
I may need to look for some vintage watercolors to try myself ❤
Seems like it may have been from the Victorian era! The smell is probably the metal pallet! But it is a very beautiful Lil pallet!! And you my dear friend could make a great painting out of mud, I bet, LOL 😆 that is soooo pretty! You go girl!
Low key that palette is stunning! You have a built-in “brown” monochrome spectrum that can produce instant vintage looking art. I’m jealous!
It's so good!
Absolutely. Continue painting with it. I love the muted colors
Your art is always so beautiful
Thank you, I will
I tried the 5 below watercolor paper. Mine was the 9x12 size. I found that either I'm extremely rough or it was the paper cause it roughed up very easily. And I tried to be gentle. Now I was doing a lot of Wet on wet.
Thank you so much for taking us on this adventure! I would absolutely love to see more of these. I’m also pleased to see that you are being cautious about possible toxins, something I’m not always so careful about. It was good to be reminded.😊
More to come!