Wow total frustration! I’m sure the next time we see this it will be on steroids or be in the garbage can next to your newest build😂. I’m glad you decided to post this it is something most of us have gone through and it keeps less lethal life real! Excellent vid!
After watching your first 468 video, it appears that you have the DMR valve which has a smaller air hole outlet into the upper, rather than the non-DMR version for semi-auto. Said difference can dramatically restrict air flow as the semi-auto version has a larger outlet. Displacement of the value-body o-ring may be an air-leak culprit as well. Lastly, make sure that the flat side of the Poppet Pin is turned upwards so that the firing bolt is not causing friction on impact between the pin and the valve. Thank you for all of your hard work. You'll figure it out doc;)
One more thing. The Helix mag springs need to break if you have the shaped version installed, else it could trigger the Lok Bolt to release the upper bolt fiercely due to its strength. Storing 8g rounds in the mags will help the spring tension to mellow out. BTW...I originally posted a longer comment but it disappeared. I'm mentioning in case you come across it.
Appreciate the input. Some of those things were on the list. Its what you said about the DMR valve that caught my interest. Upon inspecting the brass valve the hole does seem awfully small. 🤔
For the Helix mags it's literally all being held together by the black outer shell. If you get the smoke she'll mags they're even weaker in holding the mag together.
That's because they used a really poor polymer choice for their clear plastic. Clear mags are usually trash in everything other than lancers/Aug mags. For that reason
You'll have to reset the follower on the Helix mags by opening it up, i have those and normally never give me any issues aside from having to replace the loading/ ball door, eventually they wear out and can't keep the ammo in the Mag. When you open them, keep in mind how all the little springs and theres a little ball bearing in there, very easy to loose.
Two brand new mags did the same thing and one is split. Not the type of quality i would ever rely on. I will attempt to repair them until i can pick up the new T15 magwell.
@lesslethalfordummies thats crazy, I have 11 of them probably 5 years old, I'd have to check my videos of when I did an unboxing of them ,only have had to replace the little doors and once or twice have had to reset a follower or 2. Edit: 4½ years ago
@@TheJerzeyGuy i was a bit disappointed to be honest as its one of the few mags i haven’t tried. Magazines always seem to be a sore spot with all manufacturers. We as consumers are just never happy 😃
The thing with the lok bolt, especially with shaped projectiles you have to pull the charging handle back before reloading because the bolt is still under spring tension and it's being held back by the lok bolt. So by inserting a full mag which is also under tension. It will seat that next round and release the lok bolt all in one motion.
I am beginning to learn these important factors. I have limited experience with lok bolts. Most broke during LL use but I haven’t gotten that far yet. 🙂
@@lesslethalfordummies it's poetic how in your opening statement you talk about how LL and the paintball world can learn from each other and we're having this exact conversation. So many of your videos helped my markers perform better on the paintball field. I'm happy I can provide my experience with lok bolts, most my markers have them.
@@lesslethalfordummies300 with a 3g ball is the limit most insurance set/the legal limit (depending on state/country). For 68 cal. 220 would be what I'd expect for the 'low power'/kids events we ran as an intro to 12-14when they graduated from the low power 50cal games.
Hmm. Very strange🤔. Did you figure it out what restricts the velocity? It sounds like a dangerous marker, shooting when you put in a new magazine😳. Interesting video. Good test as always Sean😃👍
Velocity is strictly controlled by the tension on the drive spring but in my case it seems to do nothing. I am going to remove the lok-bolt. My ceiling can’t handle much more 🥲
@@lesslethalfordummies Aha. Ok. So a new drive spring is next up I guess. Making holes in the ceiling is not intended.... I made a hole in one of my walls with the HDR50 and rubber ball LOL😅
The M17 and TIPX , look better and better every video !! Lol However I am confident you will spend plenty of dough getting it dialed in. Watching this video brings back not so fond memories of my first go around w my CQMF. Lol Can you disable the anti chop?
wow. was thinking of purchasing & following your mods for LL . bad start, (launcher) sure you'll sort it. it does look so cool though !!! do ya think ya got a duff'un ? as you say - nowhere near paintball power....... what gives !!?
The mags had better quality in the past. They can easily be disassembled and repaired/modified. The quality of assembling of MCS is famously bad, the advice for every new owner here is to completely tear it apart and to reassemble it properly. Mine shot about the same out of the box. Playing with the screw and springs brought it to about 320fps quite constantly without internal mods. Then the modding on valve and spring took it to 420fps. All with 850psi
I mean. Its a stock marker, new product that hasn't had a massive amount of work yet. Lpus it's a builders kit, they are always something of a challenge to get running well because you're assembling it yourself and dealing with all of the foibles of a new design. In 6 months or so that thing will be in the 40j range in a year there will be setups doing 80 or 90j
I mean i would feel better if i had the wrong barrel but i dont think thats it. I would also feel better if this was par for the course and i just had to move forward. Problem is i preach shoot your launcher stock before anything else otherwise you are just compounding problems.
@@lesslethalfordummiesthe DMR bolt you have into here iv only seen used on the Bolt action guns leads me to suggest testing with a semi auto bolt. Beyond that... I'm wondering if there's something wrong in there. The power level you are getting makes me think there's something really wrong.
I have seen and heard a lot of crap about the 468 all the time man, glad i never bought one. Am real happy with my x68 its the Bomb with a dan sterling barrel and 8gram grimburg joules.
My Spyder Rodeo is better than that 😂 Shit,... even the VL maxis. Both are essentially worthless now a days. Somethings gotta be F'd with the inside of that thang. I hope you can get it resolved 🙏
Could be the body seal since it look distorted. I did mention that during the slack charge handle video. You would think a leak would show inconsistency? Unless the leak was consistent 😂
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Wow I was really liking this marker until now, one thing for sure it's less lethal
Its less less lethal 😆
Wow total frustration! I’m sure the next time we see this it will be on steroids or be in the garbage can next to your newest build😂. I’m glad you decided to post this it is something most of us have gone through and it keeps less lethal life real! Excellent vid!
It aint over until i break something 🤣. Glad you enjoyed the vid.
After watching your first 468 video, it appears that you have the DMR valve which has a smaller air hole outlet into the upper, rather than the non-DMR version for semi-auto. Said difference can dramatically restrict air flow as the semi-auto version has a larger outlet. Displacement of the value-body o-ring may be an air-leak culprit as well. Lastly, make sure that the flat side of the Poppet Pin is turned upwards so that the firing bolt is not causing friction on impact between the pin and the valve. Thank you for all of your hard work. You'll figure it out doc;)
One more thing. The Helix mag springs need to break if you have the shaped version installed, else it could trigger the Lok Bolt to release the upper bolt fiercely due to its strength. Storing 8g rounds in the mags will help the spring tension to mellow out. BTW...I originally posted a longer comment but it disappeared. I'm mentioning in case you come across it.
Appreciate the input. Some of those things were on the list. Its what you said about the DMR valve that caught my interest. Upon inspecting the brass valve the hole does seem awfully small. 🤔
You can actually change the posting of the GOG knob. Just take off the snap ring and put the knob in through the other side
Good idea! 👍🏼
Fun Fact ! 468 is actually the name of the breathing exercise you have to do when you buy one of these to calm down
Lmao😅
😝
For the Helix mags it's literally all being held together by the black outer shell. If you get the smoke she'll mags they're even weaker in holding the mag together.
That's because they used a really poor polymer choice for their clear plastic.
Clear mags are usually trash in everything other than lancers/Aug mags. For that reason
I heard the clear ones are the worst.
@@lesslethalfordummies that's true
Fix it Doc I have faith!
We know you have the power to do it... We believe in miracles 😊
I got some great tips in the comments. It will get fixed up proper.
You'll have to reset the follower on the Helix mags by opening it up, i have those and normally never give me any issues aside from having to replace the loading/ ball door, eventually they wear out and can't keep the ammo in the Mag. When you open them, keep in mind how all the little springs and theres a little ball bearing in there, very easy to loose.
Two brand new mags did the same thing and one is split. Not the type of quality i would ever rely on. I will attempt to repair them until i can pick up the new T15 magwell.
@lesslethalfordummies thats crazy, I have 11 of them probably 5 years old, I'd have to check my videos of when I did an unboxing of them ,only have had to replace the little doors and once or twice have had to reset a follower or 2.
Edit: 4½ years ago
@@TheJerzeyGuy i was a bit disappointed to be honest as its one of the few mags i haven’t tried. Magazines always seem to be a sore spot with all manufacturers. We as consumers are just never happy 😃
😎👍👍
Wow! So anemic. Underwhelming power. Did you get a lemon perhaps? Hmm🤔💥💥💥
You can say that again. I have been given a few things to try before i call it any names 😆
The thing with the lok bolt, especially with shaped projectiles you have to pull the charging handle back before reloading because the bolt is still under spring tension and it's being held back by the lok bolt. So by inserting a full mag which is also under tension. It will seat that next round and release the lok bolt all in one motion.
I am beginning to learn these important factors. I have limited experience with lok bolts. Most broke during LL use but I haven’t gotten that far yet. 🙂
@@lesslethalfordummies it's poetic how in your opening statement you talk about how LL and the paintball world can learn from each other and we're having this exact conversation. So many of your videos helped my markers perform better on the paintball field. I'm happy I can provide my experience with lok bolts, most my markers have them.
I am always ears and 👀. Much to be learned. Paintball did come first 😂
240-260 fps shooting paintballs - is where it was back in the day.
Even with the stubby Widow Maker i would expect at minimum 220 on 800 not 1100.
@@lesslethalfordummies300 with a 3g ball is the limit most insurance set/the legal limit (depending on state/country). For 68 cal.
220 would be what I'd expect for the 'low power'/kids events we ran as an intro to 12-14when they graduated from the low power 50cal games.
Hmm. Very strange🤔. Did you figure it out what restricts the velocity? It sounds like a dangerous marker, shooting when you put in a new magazine😳. Interesting video. Good test as always Sean😃👍
Velocity is strictly controlled by the tension on the drive spring but in my case it seems to do nothing.
I am going to remove the lok-bolt. My ceiling can’t handle much more 🥲
@@lesslethalfordummies Aha. Ok. So a new drive spring is next up I guess. Making holes in the ceiling is not intended.... I made a hole in one of my walls with the HDR50 and rubber ball LOL😅
I am lucky the garage is my space. Don’t think the wife wants holes in the living room.
@@lesslethalfordummies Hehehe.😁. I fixed the hole very quickly when I made it😅. You are lucky that have a garage you can use😃
The M17 and TIPX ,
look better and better every video !! Lol
However I am confident you will spend plenty of dough getting it dialed in.
Watching this video brings back not so fond memories of my first go around w my CQMF. Lol
Can you disable the anti chop?
There are obviously better choices for a dedicated LL 💯 but it doesnt mean i shouldn’t try.
Disabling is already under way. It’s quite simple to do.
The 468 would be a powerful less lethal option if the manufacturer fixed the plastic magazine problem
In my limited experience these mag suck. I will be swapping to the T15 mags soon enough.
wow. was thinking of purchasing & following your mods for LL . bad start, (launcher) sure you'll sort it. it does look so cool though !!!
do ya think ya got a duff'un ? as you say - nowhere near paintball power....... what gives !!?
I am in contact with MCS right meow to see what’s going on. I am sure i will be on the right track soon enough.
The mags had better quality in the past.
They can easily be disassembled and repaired/modified.
The quality of assembling of MCS is famously bad, the advice for every new owner here is to completely tear it apart and to reassemble it properly.
Mine shot about the same out of the box.
Playing with the screw and springs brought it to about 320fps quite constantly without internal mods.
Then the modding on valve and spring took it to 420fps.
All with 850psi
Glad to hear it will respond well to mods. I’ll sleep better. Thanks for the feedback.
Bro that marker is strictly paintball
Not so fast.
@ I’m sue you have a few more tricks up your sleeve 😂😂
I mean. Its a stock marker, new product that hasn't had a massive amount of work yet.
Lpus it's a builders kit, they are always something of a challenge to get running well because you're assembling it yourself and dealing with all of the foibles of a new design.
In 6 months or so that thing will be in the 40j range in a year there will be setups doing 80 or 90j
I have been made aware of one that is getting over 50j but seems to be wildy inconsistent doing so.
@lesslethalfordummies the joys of being at the start
I have the 468 2019 version
What kind of velocity do you see on which barrel?
This is the first time I've seen someone have this issue out the box for the 468. Something is terribly wrong 🤔
I mean i would feel better if i had the wrong barrel but i dont think thats it.
I would also feel better if this was par for the course and i just had to move forward.
Problem is i preach shoot your launcher stock before anything else otherwise you are just compounding problems.
@@lesslethalfordummiesthe DMR bolt you have into here iv only seen used on the Bolt action guns leads me to suggest testing with a semi auto bolt.
Beyond that... I'm wondering if there's something wrong in there. The power level you are getting makes me think there's something really wrong.
Stubby was Embarrassed.
M17 w the hd24 kit...GOG or inline degaser? Which is better? (I mean both quality of build/reliability/performance and your preference.)
Hd24 degasser is best on the M17. I wish the GOG degassed 😢
I have seen and heard a lot of crap about the 468 all the time man, glad i never bought one. Am real happy with my x68 its the Bomb with a dan sterling barrel and 8gram grimburg joules.
Pretty tough to beat the x68 for size, power, and convenience.
If you mod it the numbers will come....duct tape .....😏
And the 468 doesn't like shut offs, I found the most power with a direct bottle connected.
Good to know.
My Spyder Rodeo is better than that 😂
Shit,... even the VL maxis. Both are essentially worthless now a days.
Somethings gotta be F'd with the inside of that thang. I hope you can get it resolved 🙏
My Spyder Victor did 16j with no mods.
Weaker out the box then a Tippman? What gives? We got leaks somewhere
Could be the body seal since it look distorted. I did mention that during the slack charge handle video.
You would think a leak would show inconsistency? Unless the leak was consistent 😂
💩💩💩💩💩That's all folks
Awwwe weak sauce 😢 468 no buenos so right neow if u only had to choose one launcher what would it be a please dont say tippmann
Too early to tell but the Tippmann hit over 20 out of the box.