Young Dragon: The Failed Targaryen Conqueror

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  • Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
  • Born in the aftermath of the Dance of the Dragons, Daeron I Targaryen grew up dragonless. A dragon would have really helped him during his time larping as Aegon the Conqueror in Dorne. The Young Dragon had one of the shortest and most pathetic reigns in Targaryen history, as he lost over fifty thousand men in his war for Dorne and still failed anyway. Though Jon Snow sees him as a hero, Daeron Targaryen was one of the least effective kings in ASOIAF history (unless his goal was to accomplish nothing, in which case he was actually quite effective). When you play the Game of Thrones, you win or you die, but if you're Daeron, you simply inherit a throne, start a war for no reason, and die at the ripe old age of eighteen. Sheesh.
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    0:00 Young Dragon
    2:24 Complete the conquest
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  • @billychops1280
    @billychops1280 5 месяцев назад +405

    The irony is that he succeeded, and the Dornish had to resort to red wedding levels of dishonour to kill him. Also personally I like Daeron, it seems to me that most of the fandom dislikes him because they like Dorne and the current house Martel in the story, which isn’t exactly fair, since Daeron didn’t do anything outlandishly bad or out of touch with his ancestors, he’s just singled out because he didn’t have dragons. And like I said, he won without them where his ancestors couldn’t win with dragons. Also he was a sort of Alexander the Great type of character for the story, so he had to die young and childless (even though Alexander had kids) and like Alexander his demise was through treachery.

    • @NRV0
      @NRV0 5 месяцев назад +91

      THIS. I've seen so many Daeron I haters spew crap at him for starting a war and getting people killed but they never stop to acknowledge how dishonorable the Dornish killed him and his supporters. A peace banner is supposed to be something sacred.

    • @billychops1280
      @billychops1280 5 месяцев назад +42

      @@NRV0 classic Dorne lovers

    • @jurassicno-good6813
      @jurassicno-good6813 5 месяцев назад +4

      Exactly u was finna say the se thing he won and they set him up

    • @hclw3589
      @hclw3589 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@NRV0boo fucking hoo sorry when you’re being invaded you don’t spare your invaders any courtesy at all.
      His dumbass was to full of himself to realize the people you’re invading hate you and will use any means necessary to keep their freedom.

    • @equusquaggaquagga536
      @equusquaggaquagga536 5 месяцев назад +16

      @@NRV0 Lots of wars have been won through deception

  • @fantasyhaven1
    @fantasyhaven1 5 месяцев назад +210

    All hail Daeron Atreides, first of his name!

    • @justwex-mapper
      @justwex-mapper 5 месяцев назад +10

      ayo mistah white!!! its fantazy haven!

    • @TheSpaceEnthusiast-vl6wx
      @TheSpaceEnthusiast-vl6wx 5 месяцев назад +6

      Hello Fantasy Haven!

    • @patrickmonahan5272
      @patrickmonahan5272 5 месяцев назад

      It’s him! Will you ever cover smt having to do with Daeron?

    • @chheinrich8486
      @chheinrich8486 5 месяцев назад +3

      Perfect Name for the Guy😂

    • @chheinrich8486
      @chheinrich8486 5 месяцев назад +2

      I Wonder how an Arms from dune Trained to Mostly fight in Blade combat with shielded opponents would fare against traditional fantasy soldiers

  • @cadmusravenstag4403
    @cadmusravenstag4403 5 месяцев назад +146

    No, the biggest Targaryen failure was not adapting to losing their Dragons. By the time of Robert's Rebellion, House Targaryen was a paper tiger (dragon) dependent on sketchy oaths of loyalty, and severely outnumbered by the other kingdoms of Westeros. No longer could they send out a single seasoned dragon rider to destroy entire fleets and armies.

    • @SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru
      @SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru 5 месяцев назад +19

      Which was why aegon iii actions was even more damning to the future of the house .I mean i understand that you are depressed and possess a hatred of dragons due to seeing one brutality kill your mother infront of you and is the cause of death for most of your family but you should think about the future of your house .House targaryen at the end of the day has less resources than your usual lord paramount and their power is completely reliant on dragons .He waa a grown man in his 30s when the last dragon had died surely by then he could have come to some terms about all of that .But no he simply let the last living dragonlord family be bereft of dragons .The loss of dragons made house targaryen vulnerable and which was what made it possible for it to be overthrown .All it needed was a bad king and its curtains for the whole dynasty .If only viserys ii had a longer reign i think the royal family would have become more bureaucratized and centralised .A handful of people to run an entire continent is insane and he would undoubtedly have pushed reforms that would have helped house targaryen both economically and politically .The crownlands could have been turned into wealthy and a prosperous place like the free cities with a few city charters ,confiscation of lands and towns from non-targaryens ,a few canals connecting reach ,riverlands and the westerlands to the crownlands,the establishment of a royal bank and a mint ,industrial espionage to increase the number of goods and the overall quality of goods produced so that there is more stuff to trade overall .The abundant supply of wood in the nearby stormlands ia perfect for a shipbuilding industry and another branch of the citadel being open in the capital to increase the amount of literate and educated peoples with a total of fee of only 25 silver dragons ,lets say would have brought about a cultural renaissance on westoros even if in the short term ,losses are incurred .The rule of hosue targaryen waa always dysfunctional ,they never had any great innovations that they could be particularly be proud of and their rule was only reactive not proactive .Which meant so as long as there is peace and stability they wouldn't do anything else for developing their own positions and the seven kingdoms as a whole . (Ah fucking autocorrect always messing shit up , can't live with you or without you )

    • @debater452
      @debater452 5 месяцев назад +15

      ​@@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ruAegon couldn't have done nothing about the existinsion of the Dragons after the dance it was inevitable. Also he had more important things to do like fixing the real after it's most destructive war and trying to keep it together during all the crisis of his reign. Also he died young so we don't know what he would have done with an extra 20 years or so

    • @thegoat4238
      @thegoat4238 4 месяца назад +7

      @@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru Aegon the 3 didn't do anything wrong mans actually tried to restore the dragons he just didn't know how too like every other Targaryen king

    • @SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru
      @SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru 3 месяца назад

      ​@@thegoat4238He was sitting on mountains of dragon-lore at the time .Had he made a more sincere attempt to replenish the dragon-population the dragons would have never gone extinct .He only made half-assed attempts at best to make it seem like he is doing something about it

    • @SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru
      @SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru 3 месяца назад +1

      ​​​@@debater452The last dragons died in 153 a.c and he himself died in 157 a.c .He would have been at least 32 years old when the last targaryen dragons had perished .By that point in time he couldn't have done anything about the dragons .He didn't fix the realm after it was torn asunder by the dance. It was tyland lannister who did all of the necessary actions to restore and rebuild the realm .He wasn't that great of a ruler as you make him seem like .He was a king who always relegated the matters of administration by appointing skilled and capable individuals like tyland lannister or his younger brother Viserys Ii .It wasn't important ? What the hell are you going on about ? Of course it is a most important task ,a task perhaps as important as mending the realm which is the ensuring of the survival of the dragons. The future of House Targaryen relays and depends on it.

  • @zuhirsawan404
    @zuhirsawan404 5 месяцев назад +18

    Daeron got that dragon in him. He’s the real meaning of blood of the dragon. Words and actions.

  • @revanius2213
    @revanius2213 4 месяца назад +24

    Daeron's actually a lot more like Robb, someone with a strong sense of pride and personal honor, a great military leader, but one who put too much faith in the power of a truce and ended up getting betrayed and killed while never truly being defeated

  • @vibechecker3168
    @vibechecker3168 5 месяцев назад +134

    Its actually really interesting to learn about Daerons lads trip and its consequences.
    Many lords knights and houses especially in the Reach, Stormlands and Marches had spent centuries fighting Dornishmen, then the realm went into the sandbox to try and complete the Targaryen conquest, and then the generation of Daeron and Aegon the unworthy spent much time fighting against the Dornish growing bitter hatred.
    Then Daeron II married house Martell and integrated Dorne into the seven kingdoms. Now this was good foreign policy, but it's understandable that many lords who's families have spent actual millennia fighting the Dornish wouldn't be too thrilled that they have joined without even having to drop their title of prince or princess.
    This feeling of betrayal and anti-dornish sentiment gave the Blackfyres much of their support in the Reach and the Marches.

    • @Fart5353
      @Fart5353 5 месяцев назад +4

      Would the Dornes have any reason to hate the Starks or John snow? I'm kinda iffy on lore trying to learn my way through haha
      Still haven't read the books

    • @vibechecker3168
      @vibechecker3168 5 месяцев назад +14

      @@Fart5353 not really, considering they’ve been on opposite sides of the continent. The only thing I could think of would be Eddard Starks involvement in the death of Arthur and Ashara Dayne, but even then for one reason or another House Dayne doesn’t seem to have a grudge considering they named one of their children after him (Edric “Ned” Dayne)

    • @NRV0
      @NRV0 5 месяцев назад +11

      @@Fart5353 They have more reason to hate the Lannisters than the Starks. The Starks killed some Dornish in combat while the Lannisters order the death of a Dornish women and her children and that woman and her children died brutally.

    • @SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru
      @SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru 5 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@NRV0Not a mere dornish woman but a martell and the younger sister of the ruling prince

    • @SuperCrow02
      @SuperCrow02 5 месяцев назад +5

      Technically the Blackfyres are also the most direct continuation of Daeron I's line, since Daemon was his nephew and legitimized.

  • @billychops1280
    @billychops1280 5 месяцев назад +55

    also if we’re being honest 10K men lost for all of Dorne doesn’t seem like a lot, in fact it seems normal, it isn’t just Dornishmen they are dying too, it’s the conditions of the land, which are arguably the worst in the seven kingdoms

    • @brianaguila6925
      @brianaguila6925 10 дней назад +1

      And the climate of dorne (which is probably HOT for those living in the upper parts of Westeros. Yes,people can adjust to these conditions but proper food,living areas should be factored in. And in a war, you can't always ensure this.)

  • @thegoat4238
    @thegoat4238 5 месяцев назад +25

    It’s funny how Jon wants to be the young dragon when he’s a kid,yet he grows up to be like dareon the 2nd making peace with longtime enemies

  • @nightman1790
    @nightman1790 5 месяцев назад +95

    Daeron was not a failure, he succeeded in his conquest and the dornish bent the knee to him and even when they rebelled he went right back there and started to kick their asses again. His only mistake was trusting those rebels when they said they they wanted to surrender.

    • @CrusaderChris
      @CrusaderChris  5 месяцев назад +21

      Dorne would have just overthrown the forces Daeron would leave behind. Just like they did the first time and just like they did to Aegon. Unless Daeron personally stayed in Dorne for years and ruled with an iron fist, I don’t see it lasting. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows

    • @nightman1790
      @nightman1790 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@CrusaderChris There is just so many times that a kingdom with a relatively smaller population and fewer resources can afford to die by the hundreds in a war against 8 other kingdoms. We know that Daeron suffered casualties but considering that Dorne LOST their casualties must have been far higher. Second this is something that Daeron could have dealt with pretty easily, his biggest mistake was leaving a Tyrell in charge. Since he made the lords of Dorne bend the knee they would have had to swear oaths of loyalty to him, this together with the hosatges he took gave him plenty of options.
      He could have either exterminated the Martells and put one of their rivals in charge who would in turn own their position to him, or used use the hostages he took to force the lords of Dorne to work together with the royal army in order to put down the rebels. With the superior number of the royal forces and the subjucated lords who knew the land he would have been more than capable of dealing with a bunch of peasants. I mean what kind of lords would risk the life of their own child and the future of their house to protect a bunch of rowdy lowborns.

    • @YoungDragon1990
      @YoungDragon1990 5 месяцев назад +33

      @@CrusaderChris There was a way.. If he married Dornish Martell princess after they bent the knee then he could have achieved both military and diplomatic victory. Dornishmen would join the seven kingdoms and conquest would be completed.
      Tywin once said, when someone bent their knees you must help them back on their feet. Otherwise no one will ever bend the knee to you.
      Also Yes, His invasion of dorne cost many lives not only his men but i guess huge number of Dornishmen. However, considering Targaryen's prophecy of United 7 kingdoms It's kinda of a necessary evil action imo.

    • @user-uf9lz5wz4n
      @user-uf9lz5wz4n 5 месяцев назад +5

      King Daeron defeated the Dornish army. The army of the 6 kingdoms was much larger and stronger than the army of Dorn

    • @GabrielRodrigues-hk1nx
      @GabrielRodrigues-hk1nx 5 месяцев назад

      Technically 8 Kingdoms

  • @arturleperoke3205
    @arturleperoke3205 5 месяцев назад +22

    Daerons two biggest mistakes were
    1. to trust the Dornish (never trust the Dornish)
    2. to die young and leave the throne to "baELor THe bLeSseD"
    Overall he was a very decent Targaryan King imo

    • @closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0
      @closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0 4 месяца назад +1

      Seriously? The negatives outweigh the positives

    • @badyoutuber1986
      @badyoutuber1986 4 месяца назад +2

      Leaving a Tyrel in Dorne is top

    • @arturleperoke3205
      @arturleperoke3205 4 месяца назад +4

      @@badyoutuber1986 A King does have to reward his leal bannerman who aided him in his conquest somehow - and giving land to govern is a common way of doing so.
      your comment makes no sense

    • @badyoutuber1986
      @badyoutuber1986 4 месяца назад +2

      @@arturleperoke3205 dorn is known to have beef with the storm lands and especially the reach for a long time leaving a reachman to guard your new territory known for hating reach men use stupid if you wish that the people don't retaliate

    • @badyoutuber1986
      @badyoutuber1986 4 месяца назад

      @@arturleperoke3205 who's logic makes no sense now Einstein

  • @ramiromen6595
    @ramiromen6595 5 месяцев назад +9

    "It's over Daeron i have the high plot armor"

  • @scottregister200
    @scottregister200 2 месяца назад +3

    The " Its free real estate" had me 😂. Nothing free about Dorne's real estate!

  • @norbix-od7rt
    @norbix-od7rt 5 месяцев назад +15

    oh yes Daeron The Young Dragon what a gigachad king
    my favorite one personally

  • @user-ti5cw1ug6l
    @user-ti5cw1ug6l 5 месяцев назад +34

    Bruh. This is like calling Henry V of England a failed conqueror. Just because his conquest didn't last doesn't mean he didn't actually conquer Dorne. Also, most of the men lost did not die under his command. You can't really blame that loss of life on him. He headed back as soon as there were problems. His death was the equivalent of a scorpion hitting Meraxes' eye. You can't even say he wasn't prepared since he had the best knights in his kingdom with him too. There's a reason he has such a high place in the Westerosi mythos and it's not because Westeros remembered him as incompetent.
    Keep in mind that he was the only Targaryen who was given the epithet "Dragon" besides the Conqueror himself.

    • @Aaron_Guest
      @Aaron_Guest 5 месяцев назад +7

      Yep, the Daeron slander

  • @KaiHung-wv3ul
    @KaiHung-wv3ul 5 месяцев назад +52

    I think this is pretty unfair to Daeron, the only thing he did during his reign was winning a war, and he was dishonourably murdered under a flag of truce. Now you can say he could have expected that, the Dornish are crafty bastards, but still, we won't ever know what would have happened if he lived longer, so putting near the bottom is not that fair imo.

    • @CrusaderChris
      @CrusaderChris  5 месяцев назад +13

      True, but also he got 50,000+ people killed in a war he started for no reason other than wanting more power and glory for himself… sooo

    • @KaiHung-wv3ul
      @KaiHung-wv3ul 5 месяцев назад +36

      @@CrusaderChris So did Aegon the Conquerer, the only difference is that Aegon had a dragon so didn't get assassinated.
      Edit: Also, thanks for replying!

    • @user-uf9lz5wz4n
      @user-uf9lz5wz4n 5 месяцев назад +14

      King Daeron did not want power and glory. He wanted to unite Westeros. You're just a hater on Daeron, even though his actions are reasonable.

    • @thatoneblackdude3333
      @thatoneblackdude3333 5 месяцев назад

      @@KaiHung-wv3ul not really hotd revealed aegon conquered for the sake of stopping the long night not glory or power also his dragon didn't prevent him from being assassinated his sister did .

    • @revanius2213
      @revanius2213 4 месяца назад

      That was in a show, and honestly, it never made sense how Viserys could have known that since Jaehaerys was never his father's heir.@@thatoneblackdude3333

  • @QuinnTheGM
    @QuinnTheGM 5 месяцев назад +62

    Similarly to how Daeron the Daring fails to exist!

    • @CrusaderChris
      @CrusaderChris  5 месяцев назад +32

      Ryan Condal has gaslit me into believing Daeron the Daring is simply not real.

  • @DeclanWhite1453
    @DeclanWhite1453 5 месяцев назад +13

    I've always wondered if daeron was some kind of dreamer seeing as he ignored most things beside conquering dorne

  • @cipher48
    @cipher48 5 месяцев назад +8

    There are many similarities between Robb Stark and Daeron I. Both are boy-kings fighting a war. They won many battles but in the end lost the war. And, of course, they have a similar nickname, and end up dying through treachery

  • @thalmoragent9344
    @thalmoragent9344 5 месяцев назад +24

    I don't think he was a failure tbh, certainly at least not the greatest failure of House Targaryen.
    Daeron I was a promising young prince, already started his reign better off than his father, and it was said that he and his uncle worked rather well together, and it was hoped they would continue to do so for longer. Daeron gathering the realm together in a single effort could've been seen as a way to perhaps bring Westeros closer together after the cataclysmic Dance of the Dragons split it apart in more ways than one. (Granted, there are better ways to do it, sure, but Daeron wasn't a slouch, and far from an idiot)
    He did, technically, conquer Dorne. It's just that the Dornish, no matter how many times they get glassed or annihilated, simply don't care how many lives are spent in the name of Dornish independence. In the end, Aegon and Daeron did succeed in subduing Dorne, they just never officially joined till Daeron II. Always hate it when people say "Dorne managed to beat the Targaryens and stay independent", and I'm like... yeah sure, they got annihilated both times (3 times, if we count Jaehaerys and his sons sinking their fleet in less than 24 hours).
    The Maesters have an entire, massive book on Daeron's conquest and it's said to be a very impressive read. Alyn Velaryon, the Chad of Driftmark himself, joined Daeron and was with him all the way, which also says a lot. Daeron did well with what he had, and for a time, succeeded and managed to make things work. Not for long, sure, but he was far from stupid. Not like his cousin Aegon IV would be when he tried to "conquer Dorne".
    Also, why are all the Young Dragon's haters forgetting that Dorne, without provocation, planned to invade Westeros during Jaehaerys' reign for... seemingly no good reason. If anything, the fact they tried goes to show that at least Daeron wasn't going off to Dorne without cause or provocation in the past

    • @user-uf9lz5wz4n
      @user-uf9lz5wz4n 5 месяцев назад +8

      King Daeron's only mistake is his mercy. He should have executed the Martells and given power over Dorne to the House of Dayne. They have honor and would not rebel against the Targaryens

  • @queenxx1690
    @queenxx1690 5 месяцев назад +16

    Jon's idol at the beginning is Daeron but laters says that he wants to be like Aemond the Dragonknight

    • @SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru
      @SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru 3 месяца назад +1

      He doesn't say that later .He said that when he was playing a game with robb when he was still a toddler pretending to be the dragonknight among other historical figures. He simply recalls that later in his life in the books .He still wanted to be a conqueror and lead men to glory and still idolised daeron I when he became the Lord-Commander

  • @pdxoneway
    @pdxoneway 5 месяцев назад +5

    Love this series. You've done such a great job on these Thank you sir.

  • @charlotteosborne9991
    @charlotteosborne9991 5 месяцев назад

    Loving this series! Thank you

  • @emmanueljameson6148
    @emmanueljameson6148 5 месяцев назад +6

    Love this series, keep it up.

  • @DuTube333
    @DuTube333 5 месяцев назад +6

    He was no coward by any means and for all we know, he wasn't unneccessarily cruel either, which already would have made him one of the better kings if he eventually got to rule.
    I think that with the right counsel, he could have grown to become more reasonable and learn to put other things in front of personal glory.
    But yeah, what we got was... that. Lots of dead people for an ultimately failed conquest. He was no Aenys or even Mad King level of failure, but all his accomplishments were short-lived and ultimately, cost him his own life as well.
    Ironically, as stupid as they were, Daeron and Baelor actually managed to lay the foundation for Dorne joining the realm (in a very different way) later.

  • @mikesantander6923
    @mikesantander6923 5 месяцев назад

    Great video as always man

  • @Uzair_Of_Babylon465
    @Uzair_Of_Babylon465 4 месяца назад

    Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍

  • @alfieingrouille1528
    @alfieingrouille1528 5 месяцев назад

    Love the vids man🖒

  • @kevz2474
    @kevz2474 3 месяца назад +1

    Damn these videos are hilarious lmao..well done sir.

  • @Vlad95Chad
    @Vlad95Chad 5 месяцев назад +3

    The nobility submitted, after the submission of Sunspear he took hostages too

  • @tomblazer8240
    @tomblazer8240 5 месяцев назад +13

    Good to see We have loyal Daeron Supporters in the chat. I literally hate the dornish because of this legendary man.

  • @manikyagandhigunasekar1844
    @manikyagandhigunasekar1844 5 месяцев назад +3

    Honey wake up Crusader Chris just posted! Seriously tho the video quality is amazing, you on your way keep going 🚀👑

  • @SirMDawg
    @SirMDawg 5 месяцев назад +2

    Great Video🐸

  • @matro2
    @matro2 5 месяцев назад +4

    *_Biggest_*_ Failure_ seems to be too extreme. You really think he's worse than Aerys II, Viserys I, Aegon IV?

  • @durrangodsgrief_009
    @durrangodsgrief_009 Месяц назад +1

    Never cared much for Targaryens, but he is my favorite Targaryen. He deserve far better respect.

  • @luigi-1545
    @luigi-1545 5 месяцев назад +2

    "A sultry affair" "HUGE dark nipples" ok that was funny lmao

  • @DevonMostert-kk2et
    @DevonMostert-kk2et 5 месяцев назад +5

    I saw a meme calling Daeron the young Dragon the better Rob Stark. 🤣😂

    • @Thrawn23.
      @Thrawn23. 9 дней назад

      They ain't that far off

  • @elledunn7206
    @elledunn7206 5 месяцев назад +1

    I adore your videos. Have you thought about maybe doing a live stream breakdown of seasons of GoT or HOTD? It’d be interesting to hear your thoughts about each episode of the tv show. Or just talk about the books. I’m good with that too. GoT is one of my favorite stories too. I see the shows and books as separate entities. At least that’s my view on things.

    • @CrusaderChris
      @CrusaderChris  5 месяцев назад +2

      I appreciate the kind words! I agree with your view of the shows and books as separate entities (I consider all adaptations to essentially be fan-fiction, with their own separate canon).
      I don't have plans to do any livestreams since that's just not a medium I'm comfortable with at the moment. I'm considering making a short video each week when HOTD 2 airs, but if I do, the format wouldn't be much of a review. I don't have much to add that won't already be covered by all the big channels. My HOTD videos might end up a bit more satirical than my usual stuff, so idk if it will everyone's cup of tea. We'll see. Thanks for watching!

    • @elledunn7206
      @elledunn7206 5 месяцев назад

      @@CrusaderChris I understand. I think it’s a great idea about HOTD 2. I was so pleasantly surprised and a bit shocked how good season 1 was. I wasn’t expecting much after the travesty of seasons 5-8 of GoT. It reminded me of good GoT tv show again and not a garbled mess again.

  • @kieranantonio623
    @kieranantonio623 10 дней назад

    This man had the potential to restore his House to its former glory. Instead he died useless. I do find his character interesting. I hope GRRM does more with the remaining Targ

  • @RapaxGuardian
    @RapaxGuardian 5 месяцев назад +4

    Daeron was stupid for not marrying Daena. Can you even imagine King Daeron and Queen Daena???

  • @jjp1220
    @jjp1220 5 месяцев назад

    Can’t wait to see a series on Aegon The Conqueror and the big dragons doing a lot a havoc.

  • @wolfbane7497
    @wolfbane7497 5 месяцев назад +1

    You've managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target. - captain kirk

  • @noriyakigumble3011
    @noriyakigumble3011 4 месяца назад

    Dhaeron I is a very interesting character in ASOIAF, and I hope we get to learn more about him if Fire and blood gets a sequel. What’s interesting about Dhaeron for me is that he is a tongue in cheek reference to and subversion of Alexander the Great by George, being a great young conqueror who’d seek to finish the work of their predecessors and bring to heel a foreign land; except where Alexander succeeded, Dhaeron failed (yes, dying on campaign counts as failure, and betrayal does not discount the fact that he lost) and furthermore; what he sought to achieve was finished through marriage and his successors rather than through conquest.
    Compare that to Alexander who actually did achieve his goals and conquered the known world; he won. But the empire he built basically collapsed within half a decade after his death.
    Dhaeron was impressive and heroic for his time, sure; but his legacy is overshadowed by his family such as Aemon the Dragonknight, or Baelor the blessed; or even Dhaeron II for actually unifying the seven kingdoms.
    Alexander achieved everything he wanted in life, only for his accomplishments to crumble in the hands of his squabbling successors, but his name lives on in stories as a mythical hero. Dhaeron on the other hand failed horribly to do what he wanted, but his goals were achieved and maintained for centuries after his death. Yet his name is overshadowed by the people who brought his dream to fruition, and the warrior king was remembered as a footnote whose glorious conquest was just a small misstep to unification.

  • @danielnemesio3388
    @danielnemesio3388 3 месяца назад

    An similar figure in history that many may not know is Dom Sebastião. He was the king of Portugal in the later 16th century, a young king and deeply desired to start a holy crusade, which he did by attacking the moors in the south. He failed, a ton of people died, including himself, leaving the throne of Portugal without an heir. The next of king was spanish nobility, resulting in the Iberian Union that lasted 60 years on which a monarch ruled both over Portugal and Spain but deeply favoured the spanish side. The weird thing is that in the very last years of the 19th century, there was this commune named Canudos in Brasil, which one of the main features of it's identity was a deep reverence over monarchy, since the republic was just declared and were later massacred by the national guard, but going to the point, those guys holdheartly believed that Dom Sebastião would come back as a holy messiah and saved them

  • @Mr_D-o-proprio
    @Mr_D-o-proprio 5 месяцев назад +1

    cant wait for the baelor the pious video.

  • @mattavery7581
    @mattavery7581 5 месяцев назад +4

    This whole thing reminds me of Napoleon's occupation of Spain.

    • @user-ti5cw1ug6l
      @user-ti5cw1ug6l 5 месяцев назад

      Ha facts😂. Because things started going badly as soon as he wasn't there and left command to his underlings and the guerilla warfare.

    • @mattavery7581
      @mattavery7581 5 месяцев назад

      @@user-ti5cw1ug6l And they both left a foreigner in charge. Little tip people usually don't like being told what to do by a foreign overlord, the Spanish royal family at the time may have been unpopular but at least they were Spanish.

    • @user-ti5cw1ug6l
      @user-ti5cw1ug6l 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@mattavery7581 Technically the spanish royal family was also french.

    • @mattavery7581
      @mattavery7581 5 месяцев назад

      @@user-ti5cw1ug6l How?

  • @johndoe-wd9fh
    @johndoe-wd9fh 5 месяцев назад +3

    Why is everyone talking In the comment section as if this is real life. You can like or dislike dareon it doesn't matter he's fictional.

  • @strangerrrrrrr
    @strangerrrrrrr Месяц назад +1

    unmarried king at 18.... oh i just know he and his cousin dragon knight had a steamy affair yup...

  • @gilesbarnes7456
    @gilesbarnes7456 5 месяцев назад +3

    A question I have had for a while is why is why Dornish were so persistent in resisting the Targaryens? The Rhoynar abandoned their language, literature, religion, philosophy and anything that could meaningfully tie them to their original Rhoynish Culture and assimilated completely into being Andal Westerosi more so then the first men of the north, or the Ironborn of the Iron Islands. But while the First men and Ironborn submit to Targaryen rule with very little resistance the Dornish fight on to quite frankly ludicrous levels and I don't see why. What was left of their culture to protect. They burned their books as they burned their ships, they abandoned worship of mother Rhoyne, and forgot their mother tongue. What hadn't they given up for safety in westeros that the Targaryens threatened to take away?

    • @yourdad6902
      @yourdad6902 5 месяцев назад +1

      Because they didnt eant to be subjugated do you want someome to come to your house then make you a servant

    • @gilesbarnes7456
      @gilesbarnes7456 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@yourdad6902 a fair argument and of course I would rather fight to the death than be bonded. But that begs the other question and the crux of my argument. Why is it that the Dornish fought on for so long, through so much hardship while the other 6 kingdoms submitted in at least 2 cases without a fight (the North and the Vale)? Is their freedom worth so little to them?

    • @closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0
      @closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0 4 месяца назад

      ​@@gilesbarnes7456I guess the annals and first men aren't built like the dornish

  • @hyper8545
    @hyper8545 5 месяцев назад +3

    I hope hbo hurry up and make more targaryen shows 😮

  • @arrebarre276
    @arrebarre276 Месяц назад

    I think he is a inspiered by Charles xii of sweden, because he is a young king that chrushes his foes and has a statue in a major city that points towards the enemy (Russia And Dorne)

  • @bundayeti
    @bundayeti 5 месяцев назад +4

    Daemon's friend, "Crispin Cole" fought the Dornish incursion. Even at times of peace, the Princes of Dorne have no control over those whom they station along the border. Seems like the Dornish like to raid the borderlands from time-to-time, so it makes a lot of sense to want to conquer them. End the problem.

  • @benjuniormabone2390
    @benjuniormabone2390 2 месяца назад

    after his first conquest when he took all his hostages he chould have take a martel as his wife

  • @hubblito
    @hubblito 5 месяцев назад +2

    How do you forbid a King?

    • @CrusaderChris
      @CrusaderChris  5 месяцев назад +4

      By having a regency, which takes away the king’s power until he’s 16. Daeron’s father Aegon III had a regency.

  • @Aayush191
    @Aayush191 4 месяца назад

    I think people like him go for glory....and according to me he succeeded as he brought dorne under him...well he may not be yhe prefect king but he got what he wanted....and death is too less of a price for the glory

  • @sunnykaushik6270
    @sunnykaushik6270 5 месяцев назад

    I think George RR Martin taken the inspiration for daeron 1 from Alexander the great.. as he was also great at military conquest and was actually a bit lucky during early conquest .. but instead Martin taken the luck from daeron 1

  • @starboys3407
    @starboys3407 Месяц назад +1

    Hey he did defeat the Dornish army and nobles, just couldn't court the smallfolk of Dorne ❤.

  • @fiofeed
    @fiofeed 5 месяцев назад

    6:28 😊 😂😂😂

  • @justnick200
    @justnick200 Месяц назад

    Dorne was the Dinkleberg to Daeron

  • @queenxx1690
    @queenxx1690 5 месяцев назад +8

    Why they made Aegon's crown so lame in show with only one ruby

    • @CrusaderChris
      @CrusaderChris  5 месяцев назад +9

      I guess rubies are a bit too unrealistic for a fantasy series with dragons and thrones made of melted swords. HBO didn't put a ruby on the pommel of Blackfyre either. 😔

    • @queenxx1690
      @queenxx1690 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@CrusaderChris they just got lazy having such amazing artworks they could create great crown and the hairstyles are also not it where are braid on men ?

    • @badyoutuber1986
      @badyoutuber1986 4 месяца назад

      ​@@CrusaderChrisshow version of Dark sister is kind if better than the illustrations

    • @thatoneblackdude3333
      @thatoneblackdude3333 Месяц назад

      ​@@CrusaderChris I just don't get it the made it more complicated and ugly when it's the most simple looking crown in the series.

  • @sv493
    @sv493 4 месяца назад

    I mean, why didn't a single Targ ever make that marriage pact with the Martels before? Had the Greens or the Blacks made that same deal the Dance could gone extremely differently. Or hell had Jaehaerys arranged for Aemon and one of his daughters to marry Martel's equivalents, Dorne would have been a part of the Iron Throne sparing future generations over pointless wars.

  • @unclejesse215
    @unclejesse215 5 месяцев назад

    why would king argon the 3rd of his name his son after daeron the daring

    • @epsilon9739
      @epsilon9739 5 месяцев назад +1

      He didn't. Daeron was named after Aegon III's father-in-law, Daeron Velaryon.

    • @unclejesse215
      @unclejesse215 5 месяцев назад

      @@epsilon9739 i didn’t think so , appreciate that 🫡

  • @fandemusique4693
    @fandemusique4693 5 месяцев назад

    12:55 at least he was good enough a father to daena that she "worshiped him" and constantly kept on her person the necklace he gifted to her. 12:56 12:56

  • @keganjackson7609
    @keganjackson7609 5 месяцев назад

    He isn’t fooling anybody about that nose piercing 😂

  • @not_averge
    @not_averge 5 месяцев назад

    5:13

    • @not_averge
      @not_averge 5 месяцев назад

      This, I was talking about this

  • @kars3593
    @kars3593 Месяц назад

    Lisan al gaib 💀

  • @marlenamaria3847
    @marlenamaria3847 3 месяца назад

    I wish they married him to Daena first!❤

  • @DaBroSquad
    @DaBroSquad 5 месяцев назад +8

    If only the dornish had a modicum of honor
    They love their little betrayals, the gave a sticky frail woman to the Targaryens intentionally

    • @rakshithanand8262
      @rakshithanand8262 5 месяцев назад +8

      Um... Myriah Martell was quite famously robust and had four healthy sons with Daeron II, which also includes Gigachads like Baelor Breakspear And Maekar 'The Anvil' Targaryen.
      Also they were the most stubborn Targaryen loyalists even after Robert's Rebellion. And it's Elia you are talking about, Aerys chose her, not the other way around. Based on what we know, it was likely that her original betrothed would have been Jaime Lannister(!)

  • @durrangodsgrief6503
    @durrangodsgrief6503 5 месяцев назад +2

    daerons only failure was not glassing dorne to nothing he proved that the tags even without dragons were to eb feared that they still had strength

  • @Marlon-xj4xn
    @Marlon-xj4xn 2 месяца назад +2

    You're crazy What do you say,
    Daeron conquered dorne and only died becsuse dorne was a coward

  • @TheLANMAC
    @TheLANMAC 5 месяцев назад +1

    commenting before Jon Snow leaves a novel length defense here

  • @redjirachi1
    @redjirachi1 5 месяцев назад +1

    He's just like Richard the Lionheart...incredibly overrated in-universe

  • @AtheAetheling
    @AtheAetheling 4 месяца назад +1

    He killed a lot of Dornish people so he has that going for him.

  • @bobthepervyuncle
    @bobthepervyuncle 12 дней назад +1

    Dearon I is the biggest what if of Targaryen dynasty. He beat the Dornishmen twice, he could've maybe tried to conquer Stepstones next and further into Essos creating Valyria 2: "Westerosi Boogaloo".