I know this is just supposed to be a demo but I'm seriously in LOVE with the first clean sample & the EQ demo clean sample....theyre both soooo relaxing.
I have the 35 rt, the clean channel with the volume anywhere between "6" and "11" is the perfect spot, use the volume on the guitar to go between clean and crunch, dial it in and control the crunch with your pick. Beautiful little amp with the perfect classic rock tone that you can share with the neighbors anytime you want to.
Just depends on what you're doing, if you're small club type thing then it is. If you're outside like a concert in the park or something, then probably not.@@rajikula8085
You also gotta imagine hearing it in person at bedroom volume. I had that orange amp, high gain sounded really really bad, so did drop tunings. The katana was far better and more versatile for the same price.
@@mobl0x179 as a katana and ex orange user i confirm, the orange was really REALLY bad at distortion, i have the katana 100 and its night and day difference
@@mobl0x179 it also all depends on the context. A good distorted tone doesn't have to be 'full' or super midrange-y to fit in a song. I had to learn it the hard way, since I've got a nice peavey classic tube combo, and the tones that sound rich and huge in the room may sound like garbage in a mix and vice versa.
@@mobl0x179 Does that ten inch speaker not handle bass well? I play in doom metal tunings like C standard. Is the high gain too fuzzy for the genres you play or is it generally bad?
The Orange sounded better to me in this demo, I also like that it's straightforward to use and tweak on the fly. The Katana is very good and ideal for indoors and studio tweaking, where it can do much more than shown here. For band practise and jamming with mates I would choose the Orange. I would love to own either amp tbh.. Thanks for a good no nonsense demo.
I also have a 20rt with the foot switch and several different pedals LOL. Here in the next couple of weeks I'll be picking up a 35 rt@@sallgoodman2323
If you plugged in to an Orange you would immediately see the difference. I see the attraction of the Katana with all the built-in effects and Tone Studio but in the end, it all sounds exactly the same. This little 35RT is so sensitive and responsive It's like night and day to the Katana. It doesn't hide anything. You hear when you touch the strings. It isn't perfect. It's a small closed cab with a 10 inch speaker but it will still move some air.
Nice demo, you touch all the important points in a thorough demo. Glad you did headphone out also. Dialing in the EQ range is helpful too.Most demos don't include headphone samples.
I used to have a Katana 50 mk2 and always felt it sounded very thin. I ended up replacing it with an Orange Crush 20 and even with the little 8" speaker the Orange sounds fuller than the Katana. I just don't need all the crap the Katana has, thats why I built a pedalboard. I just want my amp to have a nice clean and a decent drive that I can set and forget. Orange ticks all my boxes.
I think they both sound good, although the Orange sounds significantly better. But if I wasn't listening to them side by side I'd have no issue with the sound of the Katana, so in the context of a song I wouldn't really matter as far as I'm concerned. The Katana is a great all in one that has all the effects you could ever need, so if saving some money is the overall goal it comes out front. But cost is not a concern, then Orange would be the way to go.
I actually thought the katana sounded better in many cases. But I'm interested in the fact that the orange is completely analog. If one of the digital chips on your katana dies, there's a good chance it's just going on a landfill, whereas with completely analog, it can likely be fixed by just replacing some components. The orange will probably outlast katana's.
Katana is a cheap solution, but im getting tired of it after 1 year of having it. Yes there are effects and u can have many sounds, but they don't sound the greatest. So its better to have one good solid and expensive amp.
I own both of these amps and they both are great.The kat is like a Swiss army knife that does a bit of everything but tonewise the orange sounds quite brilliant for its price.Its gàin stages are very responsive and it has amazing cleans and takes pedals very well.
which one has better tone clarity?i just got my Katana MKII today seems need a bit of Tweaking to satisfy "organic sound" tone i'm looking. Planning to grab the Orange amp too.
I have the 35rt. Maybe it's just the mic but mine has a more organic sound when playing with high gain. I definitely prefer the more natural sound of the orange when it comes to cleans. Definitely has more than enough gain
To me, its rare that one good amp is better than another. Its entirely situational. Both would have their uses in my studio. Actually, they both already do. :)
The difference I believe is in the spears used in each. Orange uses I believe vintage 30's while boss uses their own branded speaker. Now I own the boss katana mk2 100 head and am using it with two Hughes and kettner 1x12's with vintage 30's in them and to my ears they sound so much better than the stock speakers that come in the boss cabinets.
@@everope Andertons have a video where they play a Katana through all the popular speakers, it's interesting. The stock speaker ended up suiting the amp quite well.
To be honest: I'm not a fan of the Orange Sound (Not only the Crush 35, Orange overall just isn't my Sound) BUT a few thoughts about Quality of the Sounds in that Video and Overall with Katana and other Modelers: First of all: You did a really great Job here! Very good Sounds! The Orange has its own live, an own personality, sounds real and direct - only a little limited by the Speaker, I think. The Katana isn't bad at all! But it's just like a Cosplay. The Katana isn't a Marshall, isn't an Vox, isn't an Orange...but it tries to do it...and that's where the Personality in nearly each Modeler leaves the Stage. It's more like "A little of everything but nothing real". The next thing is the "Simplicity". Put a Katana (or some other Modelers) in the Room and Everyone should find a Sound (s)he can Use...but after turning knobs and saving the preset, playing ten notes, turning knobs, saving the preset, playing ten notes...and so on, I think you got it. The Orange (or also most other Amps) are: Plug in, turn the Gain where you want it to, play ten notes, optimize a little the EQ and that's it, just have fun without thinking about the Sound. The only Modeling Amps I could use in that way are the most of Line 6...they feel more like an "real" Amp for me...less Options, less knobs, but easier to dial in and having fun. Last but most important for me: The Feeling and directness (is it the correct word?) Playing a Modeler feels like...I play a note, the Amp think about how it should sound and spit it out. Playing an Analog (in my case mostly All-Tube-Amps) is Playing the Note and directly being hit by it. I played Kemper vs Original Amps, I played Digital Plugin Amps (Like Bias FX, Bias Amp, Amp Locker and so many more) also vs the Original Amps. Is there a difference in Sound? If it comes to recording, often nearly no Difference. But when it just comes to Play - doesn't matter if your'e playing on Stage or "in the room" it just felt so much different for me, playing a Modeler/Digital or the "real" Amp. It's nothing you can show on RUclips, it's something, you just have to try. Some People doesn't feel that or don't being bothered by it, others feel the same, so its nothing that disturbs everyone...but it's one thing, why I always tell my students to TRY the Amp, instead of just watching RUclips Videos and Buy it online. So what can I say after playing 16 Years? A Modeler is great if you want to try a lots of effects and sounds - and also if you want to record some stuff really quick. But for playing and being creative, I (I can only speak for myself) hate to have to many options. That's the same reason, why I have something around 50 FX Pedals and Using only one...the Wahwah...all the other Stuff comes from the Amp, the Guitar, the Fingers and my brain. It doesn't Matter which Gear you have, if you have one Channel in your Amp or even ten. Learn your Stuff, know your Stuff and be Happy with it! :) If you know your gear well and still being unhappy with it...THAN you should Change...okay and also if your a Nerdy Person like me, who have Tons of Amps just to playing around with it and having fun...but when it comes Back to Recording ,Playing on Stage and so on, there are still my two Main-Amps, and which one I'm using just depends on the Gig...small gigs where I couldn't play loud: Marshall DSL40cr. Gigs where nobody told me to play not that loud: Hughes & Kettner Statesman Dual EL34 on a Marshall 1960 Lead from 1994. Amen - and sorry for that long comment! :D
The feeling thing is so true. I have a helix and play through it more than anything else. I love it. HOWEVER, when I play through either my quilter or my 74 deluxe reverb, I’m like “oh wow THIS is what it’s supposed to feel like”. Same experience with a peavey bandit I played recently. If you don’t need ALL the sounds, a good analog solid state amp can be an amazing thing.
I have both of these (well, technically; my Katana is the 100w model), and both are great. I bought the Orange to have something for bedroom practice while I used the Katana for playing with friends. I wasn't expecting to love it so much that I ended up actually pulling it out for playing with friends instead of using the Katana. This works fine, though, as our other guitarist doesn't need to lug his amp and pedals over just to jam. The best part is that the little 35w Orange is loud enough and sounds good enough that I can use it for gigs without any trouble. It's nice to have something I can carry around so easily.
The 100 watt katana has a bigger speaker doesn't it? And also better speaker drivers? I know it at least has the latter. I have the 50 watt and my friend has the 100 watt
I have both of these amps and both amps are great for the price value. Can't go wrong either way. I do prefer orange though personally for overall tone. Rock on!!!
The Orange crush series are the best solid state amps you can buy. I used a 35RT to gig with in a funk /Soul band it sounded great and was plenty loud enough for on stage volume, line out to PA with speaker emulation.
Well, there's the fact that the tone controls actually work on the Kitana. The Orange's Gain knob doesn't do anything until about halfway, and then blows you away with crunch tone. The Orange Clean volume level doesn't rise until it's at 11 o'clock.
I think the Katana is better for a beginner who is learning about different lead tones and needs a kind of all in one box, or maybe for someone starting out recording music. But the Orange just has more juice and overall just a more authentic sound.
This makes me feel better about letting the sales rep talk me into the Katana. I'm still beginner/intermediate player and was originally looking at the Orange 20RT but he said the MkIII was the best one and I wouldn't be disappointed.
The Katana just sounds ‘thinner’ to me - and I’d guess that with being digital, it has ‘sampling roll-off’ while the Orange being analogue doesn’t have any issues like that. Anyway - I’ve just bought the 20RT and can’t believe how loud the damned beastie is; it kicked my friends 50w acoustic amp right off the reservation - and I’ll be using it in public later this week! Actually I have the clean volume on 4 and that seems to match his acoustic quite nicely! I’ve dreamed of owning an Orange amp since 1978, in Liverpool!, and now I do - and it’s great!
Oh i googled now: " BOSS katana a solid state amp? BOSS Katana amps are solid state amps that feature digital sound effects. Huge scandal by you. Can you do better next time?
@@svenzia As soon as you put a digital section in the signal chain, anything following that becomes compromised. No matter how good the power stages are… they’ll be amplifying a digitally sampled signal - even after it’s gone back through a DAC - it’s still a compromised signal - no matter how good the DAC is…. Anyway - at my age, my hearing isn’t as good as it once was - so modern sampling systems are possibly good enough for me - but the physics doesn’t change!
@@rebeccaabraham8652 Hey, yes i know, and you are right ofc. Hihi, no need for you to do better next time, but i wanted a good explanation from a better explainer than me. Hurrah for Rebecca. Cheers, also getting old btw. Have a great evening. Oh, i have never played the Katana or the Crush but they sound fine imo. Kind regards from Stockholm, Sweden 😃😃
In my headphones the Orange didn't exhibit a wide range of EQ during the clean tones, but showed bigger changes when turning the tone knobs with dirty tones. It sounded good, but not drastically better/different to the Katana and its tonal range.
The Orange has more low mids, makes it sound fuller. Anyways hard to say which amp is better, think you could get some good sounds out of the Katana if you tweek it a bit
Probably what you'd expect... Orange has pronounced mids and its signature growl, and tones that could be usable across a slew of genres.. katana sounds *very* thin, even if not overly processed... The best tone you can get out of it would only find its home in some modern punk rock, but there's plenty of settings on it which sound jarring and unpleasant.... Crush beats Katana overall.. but to say analog beats digital *always* feels like falling into a classic trap...
That's because main distortion pedal should be used through "Booster", not through pure gain. I tune all the way to Drop F and D#1, and it sounds absolutely growling and crushing there. You just have to understand what EQ-ing is, to make a good tone out of it.
I have the first generation katana 100. It has that same fizzy sizzle on the top end that's hard to eq out without making it lifeless. I found it was the speaker that I really disliked. I'm currently running it through a Creamback loaded 2x12 and it sounds great. If I was to do it over again, I would definitely get the head and run it through the Creamback cab.
Creamback is the anti fizz speaker. My DSL401 was a fizzy mess and it took care of that. I don't know if the Katana has an FX loop, probably yes. Put an EQ in there and cut 6.4k down, that will also get rid of the top end fizz. Although I got tired of the fizzy DSLs and sold it for an Origin 20C that comes with a V-type and the sound is gorgeous. I can't get a bad sound put of it and as long as the FX loop is engaged and jumped, to avoid bypassing the V3 tube there is no fizz and I run it with treble and mids on max. I couldn't be happier and it's pretty light and portable, it's a bit like a tube amp for people who prefer solid state due to convenience. Man I spent 15 years fighting the fizz I don't know where it comes from and how people get a good tone out of many amps without an EQ in the FX and even then on my DSL I had Treble on 2-3 and bass pretty high up even with Creamback and EQ to get that nice warm classic early 80s metal tone.
Especially the Vintage 30 and what I had in the DSL G12T100, have a cery pronounced top end that combined with a fizzy amp can be horrible. Even the Greenback, if you pair it with a fizzy amp it can be very unpleasant. Cream has more mids and a little less top end and bottom end, with some amps it works amazingly well, with an already very mis pronounced amp it can be a little much but I really love the speaker. Was going to chuck the V-Type but it's quite good, I like it. It will stay for now and later I'll get a Creamback loaded cab and use both, that can be a nice tone Creamback + Greenback or Vintage 30 depending on the amo, tje compliment each other well and can fill some of the gaps you have with only using one type.
Tengo el boss katana mkII 50 y puedo dercir que es un amplificador que sonara mucho pero muchisimo mejor si se le pone presets o establecer el booster como distorsion/overdrive principal, al principio me decepcione que sonara algo digital su distorsion y los limpios pero usando su interfaz de configuracion realmente se puede hacer maravillas con este amplificador hasta el punto que ya no considero comprarme el orange
I should have bought the Boss Katana but friends said go tube amp! Happy I bought a Bugera tube amp but I had to buy a ton of pedals to get sound I want. Now I need a practice amp so it is the Orange for me 😁 Great sound test! If you are starting out get a Boss Katana or Fender Mustang no pedals needed. Champion 20 if You don't have room and need quiet or Champion 50 If you want friends to come over to jam.
I have the Boss Katana 100 watt Head Mk 1 version. Did a simple factory reset and NEVER plug it into a computer.....EVER. I do plug it into either an old Marshall 4--12, Vox 2-12, Peavey or a Dime Cabinet. I also use pedals with it. As you can imagine, depending on what cabinet or pedals, it sounds radically different. I love it. Excellent bang for my buck when I don't want to bother with one of my tube amps. BOTH the Orange and Katana are Solid State as far as the Drive or Amp sections are concerned. What IS digital on the Katana is the pedal's and effects modelling, FX loop and pedal footswitching. But the GUTS of both, the "engine under the hood" of BOTH is good old Solid state. I wouldn't mind owning an Orange one day. They also sound great. If you get a deal on a used Boss 100 Watt head MK 1 version, like I did. DO IT. And I am usually "tube guy." I hope that helps, Thanks for listening. Cheers!
@@JungYT You are going to laugh your ass off...I only have a ChromeBook that goes up to Windows 7....Katana needs Windows 10 MINIMUM!!!...Hahaha!!!...I also STILL have a flip phone, listen to vinyl records. Use a 4 Trackk Cassette Recorder, love Tubes and listen to 1980's Music....YUP!! .. I am THAT guy!!!..
@@algrundau9441 Well that makes sense. I’m a bit of a techie, but you should do what pleases you. I have a POD Go hooked up to powered monitors, but I am seriously thinking about the orange.
@@JungYT Oh, I am NOT a techie...I wish I was. I FINALLY got into computers around 2020 when Covid hit. I am 54 years old so I have been resisting for a long time...RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!...hahaha...BUT, it does show that even without a computer, the Katana can be very useful. The only thing I wish they did was have the Noise Gate accessible from the top panel..They FORCE you to deep dive with a computer to get at it....Aaaargh!!!...So I just use a Noise gate pedal. Problem solved. As far as the Orange. I really liked the Orange Crush CR100 Head. Just by itself it sounded great. I was also plugging it into various cabinets (not all Orange cabs) and using different Overdrives, Fuzzes ect. Very cool. ...Of course it comes down to what kind of music you play? WHERE do you play? What does the rest of the band use? Does it sit well in the mix? How many different sounds do you need? But certainly Orange Crush will give you a lot of good things......and you don't have to worry about Tubes....OR COMPUTERS!!!!...Hahaha...Cheers and Good luck.
I mean, the Katana is designed to work with the Tone Studio. If you spent a few mins on it, you'd be able to get the Katana to sound like anything you want. This is just raw, everything is at 12 o'clock sound. The Orange is a plug in and play type amp, the Katana is made to tweak the hell out of.
@@itsalwayssomething7490 Agreed. Katana wins by default simply because of Tone Studio. You can get pretty much any tone you want! I think the high gain is way better on the Katana, too.
In cleans, definitely Orange is sweet and sharp.... but in High Gain, Katana has more bass and does not pierce the ears... Orange sounds shrill in high gain
I relly should get my dirt channel fixed on the crush... bit of a contact issue in the pot since i broke the knob... my repair was of limited sucess as it sounds like a fuzz now😅😂
When you started the clean part, it made me think you were about to break out into some crazy Polyphia stuff lol. Just sounded like some riffs they would do.
@@marcraygun6290 I forget what it was called but my first amp was a solid state Laney and it sounded very good, I actually missed it when it died and I got a tube amp.
Since my post below, I've bought a Katana 100. Initially I was disappointed after reading all the hype, and as I'm still in the return period was thinking of returning it. BUT that was premature and before I started fiddling with Tone Studio. You can adjust everything and there is a massive range of effects available, all of which can be saved to presets. I compared the on-board Rat pedal with my real Rat and they sound so similar that I can now sell my Rat pedal and get some money back. You can really shape the sound to what you want, though you need to put the time into it initially. But once you've saved some settings that you like, it's then a grab and go with no more twiddling. I'm sure that the Orange sound could be recreated on the Katana. Plus there's loads of support videos (eg Studio Rats) and hardware such as the GA-FC pedal, and it has an easily accessible FX loop (it's under the chassis on the CR60) and has the 0.5W setting which makes it easy to tweak volume at bedroom levels. It's definitely growing on me and becoming a bit of an obsession. Lessons: 1) don't judge a Katana based on the factory settings 2) use Tone Studio to adjust it to your preferences 3) ignore the crunch/lead/brown channels and stick with the clean channel, adding on board dirt and other pedals as required.
Katana has more lows, sort of like listening to a stereo. the orange is definitely the best sounding. but the katana is no slouch. I would like to hear the orange with a 12 inch speaker. great comparison.
My brother and I bought the Katana and the Crush 20, and both of them are such good Amps, good melodies and nice crunch potential... but I am an Orange fan
I've been struggling to get the same Katana amp to sound right since I got it shortly after it's release. I always thought I was doing something wrong or even other peoples' presets were done with a different speaker or something, but it turns out the "there's a wall between me and the amp" sound is actually just the nature of the amp. Selling my Katana, then going shopping for an amp I'll actually like lol
They both sounded fine. It's a preference really. I have the Crush 12 PiX and I prefer my Fender Mustang I V2 to it. Not really a fair comparison though. 12W vs 20W The Fender has a Orange Custom sim, Orange does Orange better, but across what features the Mustang I V2 has, the Orange is a niche amp after it's all said & done. From other's comments. Orange is a love/hate thing. With Orange, there's also Marshall & Vox as British tone/sound. And the Mustang I V2 has those other British sound amps.
Personally I think the Boss has a way clearer sound on cleans but it’s undeniable the the Orange has better gain sounds. I mostly play in clean/edge of breakup sounds so I’m happy with my MKII100
I went with the Katana because i found it half price used and it's a great speaker for amp and cab sims since it has a poweramp in port. I personally would not be caught using the actual amp tones on either of these units for the really high gain stuff I play.
I’ve got the Orange Crush Pro120W and the orange’s gain structure is just fantastic. It must make a really naturally spiky sound because the frequency of distortion is seemingly low. It sounds just so huge and warm and thick.
If you don't want to edit your sound go with the orange. If you have time to play with the boss software go with the katana. I have both but I like the orange better to gig with. Easy to dial and change channels the buttons show you where you are.
can hear the orange has cleaner more present attack (bell like) on cleans. But the kat seems more flexible (if a little thinner), but you could probably tweak it a bit. prefer the orange overall, with the exception of high gain where kat seems better (oddly, since it's meant to be orange's thing).
What I noticed is that the knob settings on both amps are at noon. Expecting two completely different amps to sound similar is ridiculous at best. A better way to show the two amps would be the set the Orange to a tone. Say, everything at noon and then adjust the other amp as needed, in this case the Katana to sound as close as possible.
The Orange has more prominent mid range. This might be good or bad depending on your opinion. Actually, if the back of the cabinet is closed, that would make it sound more boxy.
If you use the EQ and the residence controls on the Boss Katana it would sound closer to the orange , But a tube amp has a much wider frequency band then a solid state amp . A tube amp will always sound fuller . That's just the nature of tubes . Me personally The lighter weight and all the bells and whistles . I Will always choose the Boss Katana. Close is good enough . Unless you're doing a side by side comparison no one's going to notice .
Had both and a blackstar silverline and sold them all because I always preferred the sound of my old Marshall 50DFX. The Katana mk2 100 was my least Favourite, that went after a month. The crush 35 lasted a few months, the silverline lasted 6 months. The Marshall 50DFX has lasted over 12 years. Everyone eventually finds their own sound, mines has always been Marshall. I would advise anyone who is looking at buying an amp to take your guitar with you to a shop. Line up the amps you fancy and have a good play on all of them.
i have the katana mk2 100w head and i just love it, sounds even better than some tube amps to me and its much more popular and higher ratet than the orange but i`m also sure that you can never get wrong with an orange amp at all 😎
The BOSS Roland cleans and the Orange gain, I think if you recorded with both amps it would be the best combination for where the tonal sweet spots are for both amps. Very interesting comparison. Thank you.
I agree. And one of the parts to orange clean was a little quieter though so some people might think that the boss is better. Actually not positive. I’m listening to this at six in the morning lol
You can’t use the same settings, digitally processed effects have their own thing they don’t follow electro mechanical laws…it’s software. You have to learn your system to get the sound you are looking for. As an electrical engineer I find processing amps annoying because A does not equal B. Although he used same settings it doesn’t mean much, I’m sure he can find a setting that is equivalent.
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Both sounds great i domt know what people are talking about.. this is raw sound and its how they are supposed to sound n they both are doing just fine raw sound.. lovely video
I’ve tried the boss katana headphone output, and I actually like the tone you get out of it. It actually sounds like a guitar speaker rather than a distorted DI track.
I actually just sold my katana MK2. It made the general tone of my guitars just sound… muddy, and it gave this overall underwater sound and there was just not much I could do about it after so long. It was great when I wanted a bunch of different effects starting out and I didn’t have any pedals but playing clean through the katana vs even an orange crush 12 there was a huge difference and my 12 sounded so much better that my katana collected dust. I use the 35RT now. I’m not saying the katana is a terrible amp, but it’s decent at a lot of things but not great at anything. The analog amps are going to be great at a few things but lack the versatility of all the digital bells and whistles. As you grow with your guitar journey so will your taste and recognition of good tones and you’ll find what you love.
I like the Vox VT40X, it has the best of both worlds, it has a valve pre amp and modeling, the difference between it and the Katana is like night and day, the saturation and dynamics are great on the Vox, I ordered both the Vox and the Katana amp and ended up sending the Katana back, the only thing I don't like is it doesn't have an effects loop, I get around this by using my overdrive and distortion pedals that are not available on the amps modelling in front of the amp and use the modulation effects on the amp.
I've tried both of these amps at a music store. Orange Crush 35RT is just plug and play, hard to get a bad sound out of it to my ears, I like the mid-focused sound. The Boss was very noisy and the low to mid-gain distortion lacked dynamics compared to the Orange. I thought the built-in effects on the Boss Katana were pretty good though. I have a Vox VT40x. I'd say it sits somewhere between these two. I only use maybe 3 of the amp models, but they have good dynamics. It's noisier than the Orange but quieter than the Katana. It has some built in effects that range from good to disappointing. It has an app for editing that I've never bothered using. Headphone out is alright. I'm thinking about replacing it with the Orange Crush 35RT now that I own some effects pedals.
Fantastic review bro. It has inspired me to dust off my Orange 35R tbh. I guess I haven't played it in awhile mostly cause I have since purchased a few other smaller amps which cause of where I am and mostly when I play have been using them. But yeah my Orange is definitely gonna get plugged in and turned up!
I own the crush 12, and what I love about it is that it has the feel of a 100 watts tube amplifier cranked doing that sag thing you feel under your finger tips. Not sure people in the audience would care which of these two amplifiers you use, but I would use the crush. Curious how loud the 35RT can get for gigging. I guess my 12 would be fine mic’d - but you would have to rely on wedges or in-ears.
I don't prefer the sound of the Boss, but for the features that would be the small bed room amp I would want. All those built in effects and just a foot switch add on away.
Boss seems V-shaped for all tones. Dont like the disto on Boss. The only better way for Boss is through headphones for clean sound. Eq on the Boss are more active but Orange's sound (given you like this Orange sound) is clearly the winner. Boss is too much "usine à gaz" for me:)
For the record, the Katana is an all Analog amp with digital effects. I was looking into the Crush series and I was torn between that and the Katana for a while. I ended up going with the Katana Artist MKii for a few reasons. The upgraded speaker (which isn’t hard-wired so you can use it at a 1x12” cab for your other amps) and the line out where I can bypass the built in Cab Sim to record direct with 3rd party IR’s. The next amp I would plan to get is the Crush 100 head and plug it through the Katana’s speaker. I think they’re both excellent, but you obviously have to spend some time with the Katana, and have a decent understanding of EQ and how to run a solid signal chain, to really make it shine. That, and the speaker in the regular Katana’s is just too scooped for my taste. The Waza speaker adds more midrange and really makes the difference in your tone.
@@Ryan-vu5mm It's an Analog amp, meaning it's not a digital re-creation of another amp. It has an entirely analog signal path, and then adds digital effects on top of that. The Hughes & Kettner Grandmeister Deluxe 40 is the same sort of thing, except it's an all tube amp that has digital effects and tons of presets.
@@hanktteotd It goes through dsp. It doesn't have to be a digital "recreation of another amp". sending the output of dsp through a power amp doesn't make it an analog amp.
I got a Katana almost 2 years ago, and when playing I noticed the "robotic" sound when playing certain things. At first I didnt notice it but after you hear it for the first time, you cant unhear it and it genuinely ruins my jamming. It might be the way I have it set up but I think im just gonn have to buy myself an Orange for christmas
I play modern-ish metal and the Katana was great for a while to quickly dial in some chuggy gain tone. It's not as noticeable here but the cleans were really lacking some punch. I tried an Orange Crush in a store and was sold almost instantly. Being that its gain doesn't suit my play style I bought a pedal to use in front and that's my setup now, always on clean channel and really stoked with my tones! Can't go back to digital now.
i don't like the sound of either.. boss is not doing bad, bud does some weird stuff in distortion, i might be my headphones, but it seems like two layers of sound there, not some organic sound. Orange is a tad better on cleans. Wouldn't buy any of these. Thanks for a very good recording! and cheers for great playing!
I feel there's a lot more fiddling with the effects and eq on the Boss that could get you to all the places where the Orange sounds better. I just bought my son a mono price $120-delivered 5W 6v6 based 8" combo. A few $25 amazon pedals gets me to a better place than either of these. I mainly play around on my 5W Gibson el84 based reissue. 38W Boogie and 60W Crate tube amps are just too much off-stage. You have to start somewhere and we learn more about what we want as we go and for that, either of these are nice options. I don't see why all these amps don't have a built-in tuner, these days. I've got an Orange Micro Crush and a Bass Crush 100. Both have them.
Which one is better to connect a Line 6 Helix. I love the Orange sound but want to add Line 6 Helix at some point over the next year, I believe the Katana can act like a powered speaker just for that purpose.
I know this is just supposed to be a demo but I'm seriously in LOVE with the first clean sample & the EQ demo clean sample....theyre both soooo relaxing.
I have the 35 rt, the clean channel with the volume anywhere between "6" and "11" is the perfect spot, use the volume on the guitar to go between clean and crunch, dial it in and control the crunch with your pick. Beautiful little amp with the perfect classic rock tone that you can share with the neighbors anytime you want to.
Is it loud enough for gigging?
Just depends on what you're doing, if you're small club type thing then it is. If you're outside like a concert in the park or something, then probably not.@@rajikula8085
@@rajikula8085Small gigs yess 35rt or bigger. I use this 35rt with full band playing metal NO MICS OF COURSE sounds loud enough
I didn't expect such a drastic difference. The orange just sounds so much more "there".
Clean, the orange sounds fuller than the katana.
Overdriven, the Katana sounds kinda digitaly. Not as natural sounding od sound as the orange.
You also gotta imagine hearing it in person at bedroom volume. I had that orange amp, high gain sounded really really bad, so did drop tunings. The katana was far better and more versatile for the same price.
@@mobl0x179 as a katana and ex orange user i confirm, the orange was really REALLY bad at distortion, i have the katana 100 and its night and day difference
@@mobl0x179 it also all depends on the context. A good distorted tone doesn't have to be 'full' or super midrange-y to fit in a song. I had to learn it the hard way, since I've got a nice peavey classic tube combo, and the tones that sound rich and huge in the room may sound like garbage in a mix and vice versa.
@@mobl0x179 Does that ten inch speaker not handle bass well? I play in doom metal tunings like C standard. Is the high gain too fuzzy for the genres you play or is it generally bad?
Thanks for this simple no waffling video
The Orange sounded better to me in this demo, I also like that it's straightforward to use and tweak on the fly.
The Katana is very good and ideal for indoors and studio tweaking, where it can do much more than shown here.
For band practise and jamming with mates I would choose the Orange. I would love to own either amp tbh..
Thanks for a good no nonsense demo.
i agree
Orange
Orange 35rt use it with full band loud enough no mics of by the way
@@luissantiago7772She's definitely loud that's for sure!🤘
boss sounded like cheap mimic amp
what a complete demo! really enjoyed watching this and listening to your playing!
And this is why orange has been my amp of choice for years
I recently bought a 20RT. Footswitch, rat pedal erc. It's got me hooked on the versatility of tone which makes playing any genre possible.
I also have a 20rt with the foot switch and several different pedals LOL. Here in the next couple of weeks I'll be picking up a 35 rt@@sallgoodman2323
@sallgoodman2323i had my 20rt for almost 2 years. Still sounds great. No regret bought it. Sounds really good
If you plugged in to an Orange you would immediately see the difference. I see the attraction of the Katana with all the built-in effects and Tone Studio but in the end, it all sounds exactly the same. This little 35RT is so sensitive and responsive It's like night and day to the Katana. It doesn't hide anything. You hear when you touch the strings. It isn't perfect. It's a small closed cab with a 10 inch speaker but it will still move some air.
I bought the Orange as a practice amp and its become the one I gig out with. Loud af, sounds great mic'd up and takes my pedals really well.
Agree i have it
Is this loud enough in a small bar gig? Without mic?
@@Justkeepplaying7248I've gigged in a small bar with the Orange. It holds up just fine. Mic it, and it's even better.
same here.
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Yes its very loud.
Ive played around 50 pub gigs with mine. Its fantastic..!!
Nice demo, you touch all the important points in a thorough demo. Glad you did headphone out also. Dialing in the EQ range is helpful too.Most demos don't include headphone samples.
I used to have a Katana 50 mk2 and always felt it sounded very thin. I ended up replacing it with an Orange Crush 20 and even with the little 8" speaker the Orange sounds fuller than the Katana. I just don't need all the crap the Katana has, thats why I built a pedalboard. I just want my amp to have a nice clean and a decent drive that I can set and forget. Orange ticks all my boxes.
One sounds like an amp, the other sounds like a processor. But neither sound bad. The orange is just better.
I think they both sound good, although the Orange sounds significantly better. But if I wasn't listening to them side by side I'd have no issue with the sound of the Katana, so in the context of a song I wouldn't really matter as far as I'm concerned. The Katana is a great all in one that has all the effects you could ever need, so if saving some money is the overall goal it comes out front. But cost is not a concern, then Orange would be the way to go.
I actually thought the katana sounded better in many cases. But I'm interested in the fact that the orange is completely analog. If one of the digital chips on your katana dies, there's a good chance it's just going on a landfill, whereas with completely analog, it can likely be fixed by just replacing some components. The orange will probably outlast katana's.
Katana is a cheap solution, but im getting tired of it after 1 year of having it. Yes there are effects and u can have many sounds, but they don't sound the greatest. So its better to have one good solid and expensive amp.
@@MetalGodOfLegendare you using the eqs in the tone studio becuase eq in the tone studio is the key
@@rayedsamdani2478 i am using the tone studio, but still doesnt change much.
@@MetalGodOfLegendUse the software and/or pedals, especially multi fx.
I own both of these amps and they both are great.The kat is like a Swiss army knife that does a bit of everything but tonewise the orange sounds quite brilliant for its price.Its gàin stages are very responsive and it has amazing cleans and takes pedals very well.
which one has better tone clarity?i just got my Katana MKII today seems need a bit of Tweaking to satisfy "organic sound" tone i'm looking. Planning to grab the Orange amp too.
@雪隠 you can tweak the katana in the librarian(try global eq) but the orange has better cleans for my taste.
I have the 35rt. Maybe it's just the mic but mine has a more organic sound when playing with high gain. I definitely prefer the more natural sound of the orange when it comes to cleans. Definitely has more than enough gain
The comparison I've been waiting for. The orange sounds more alive in everything except for the headphone out.
To me, its rare that one good amp is better than another. Its entirely situational. Both would have their uses in my studio. Actually, they both already do. :)
The ORANGE Baby!!! The clarity and detail of sound is amazing!!!
The difference I believe is in the spears used in each. Orange uses I believe vintage 30's while boss uses their own branded speaker. Now I own the boss katana mk2 100 head and am using it with two Hughes and kettner 1x12's with vintage 30's in them and to my ears they sound so much better than the stock speakers that come in the boss cabinets.
Yeah my thought as well, he should plug the Katana in to the Orange's speaker, would probably be a lot closer
@@everope Andertons have a video where they play a Katana through all the popular speakers, it's interesting. The stock speaker ended up suiting the amp quite well.
To be honest: I'm not a fan of the Orange Sound (Not only the Crush 35, Orange overall just isn't my Sound) BUT a few thoughts about Quality of the Sounds in that Video and Overall with Katana and other Modelers:
First of all: You did a really great Job here! Very good Sounds!
The Orange has its own live, an own personality, sounds real and direct - only a little limited by the Speaker, I think.
The Katana isn't bad at all! But it's just like a Cosplay. The Katana isn't a Marshall, isn't an Vox, isn't an Orange...but it tries to do it...and that's where the Personality in nearly each Modeler leaves the Stage. It's more like "A little of everything but nothing real".
The next thing is the "Simplicity".
Put a Katana (or some other Modelers) in the Room and Everyone should find a Sound (s)he can Use...but after turning knobs and saving the preset, playing ten notes, turning knobs, saving the preset, playing ten notes...and so on, I think you got it.
The Orange (or also most other Amps) are: Plug in, turn the Gain where you want it to, play ten notes, optimize a little the EQ and that's it, just have fun without thinking about the Sound.
The only Modeling Amps I could use in that way are the most of Line 6...they feel more like an "real" Amp for me...less Options, less knobs, but easier to dial in and having fun.
Last but most important for me: The Feeling and directness (is it the correct word?)
Playing a Modeler feels like...I play a note, the Amp think about how it should sound and spit it out.
Playing an Analog (in my case mostly All-Tube-Amps) is Playing the Note and directly being hit by it.
I played Kemper vs Original Amps, I played Digital Plugin Amps (Like Bias FX, Bias Amp, Amp Locker and so many more) also vs the Original Amps. Is there a difference in Sound? If it comes to recording, often nearly no Difference.
But when it just comes to Play - doesn't matter if your'e playing on Stage or "in the room" it just felt so much different for me, playing a Modeler/Digital or the "real" Amp. It's nothing you can show on RUclips, it's something, you just have to try. Some People doesn't feel that or don't being bothered by it, others feel the same, so its nothing that disturbs everyone...but it's one thing, why I always tell my students to TRY the Amp, instead of just watching RUclips Videos and Buy it online.
So what can I say after playing 16 Years?
A Modeler is great if you want to try a lots of effects and sounds - and also if you want to record some stuff really quick.
But for playing and being creative, I (I can only speak for myself) hate to have to many options. That's the same reason, why I have something around 50 FX Pedals and Using only one...the Wahwah...all the other Stuff comes from the Amp, the Guitar, the Fingers and my brain.
It doesn't Matter which Gear you have, if you have one Channel in your Amp or even ten. Learn your Stuff, know your Stuff and be Happy with it! :)
If you know your gear well and still being unhappy with it...THAN you should Change...okay and also if your a Nerdy Person like me, who have Tons of Amps just to playing around with it and having fun...but when it comes Back to Recording ,Playing on Stage and so on, there are still my two Main-Amps, and which one I'm using just depends on the Gig...small gigs where I couldn't play loud: Marshall DSL40cr. Gigs where nobody told me to play not that loud: Hughes & Kettner Statesman Dual EL34 on a Marshall 1960 Lead from 1994.
Amen - and sorry for that long comment! :D
The feeling thing is so true. I have a helix and play through it more than anything else. I love it. HOWEVER, when I play through either my quilter or my 74 deluxe reverb, I’m like “oh wow THIS is what it’s supposed to feel like”. Same experience with a peavey bandit I played recently. If you don’t need ALL the sounds, a good analog solid state amp can be an amazing thing.
I purchased an Orange Crush RT35 a few years ago and love it, it’s my only amp.
Have any issues with it being too loud for a bedroom/apartment?
The 1st 30 seconds in and I was blown away by the nuances in comparison to each other. Thanks for this.
You play so good bro, keep it up. I also very like those videos you make, it helps lots of people!
I have both of these (well, technically; my Katana is the 100w model), and both are great. I bought the Orange to have something for bedroom practice while I used the Katana for playing with friends. I wasn't expecting to love it so much that I ended up actually pulling it out for playing with friends instead of using the Katana. This works fine, though, as our other guitarist doesn't need to lug his amp and pedals over just to jam. The best part is that the little 35w Orange is loud enough and sounds good enough that I can use it for gigs without any trouble. It's nice to have something I can carry around so easily.
The 100 watt katana has a bigger speaker doesn't it? And also better speaker drivers? I know it at least has the latter. I have the 50 watt and my friend has the 100 watt
I have both of these amps and both amps are great for the price value. Can't go wrong either way. I do prefer orange though personally for overall tone. Rock on!!!
The Orange crush series are the best solid state amps you can buy. I used a 35RT to gig with in a funk /Soul band it sounded great and was plenty loud enough for on stage volume, line out to PA with speaker emulation.
Well, there's the fact that the tone controls actually work on the Kitana. The Orange's Gain knob doesn't do anything until about halfway, and then blows you away with crunch tone. The Orange Clean volume level doesn't rise until it's at 11 o'clock.
Yeah orange amps r trash
@@NecropsY1 this is just pure hate😂
I think the Katana is better for a beginner who is learning about different lead tones and needs a kind of all in one box, or maybe for someone starting out recording music. But the Orange just has more juice and overall just a more authentic sound.
This makes me feel better about letting the sales rep talk me into the Katana. I'm still beginner/intermediate player and was originally looking at the Orange 20RT but he said the MkIII was the best one and I wouldn't be disappointed.
Very thorough comparison of tones between Crush 35RT and Kat 50 Mk2!
The Katana just sounds ‘thinner’ to me - and I’d guess that with being digital, it has ‘sampling roll-off’ while the Orange being analogue doesn’t have any issues like that. Anyway - I’ve just bought the 20RT and can’t believe how loud the damned beastie is; it kicked my friends 50w acoustic amp right off the reservation - and I’ll be using it in public later this week! Actually I have the clean volume on 4 and that seems to match his acoustic quite nicely! I’ve dreamed of owning an Orange amp since 1978, in Liverpool!, and now I do - and it’s great!
Katana digital? Ohhh
Oh i googled now: " BOSS katana a solid state amp?
BOSS Katana amps are solid state amps that feature digital sound effects. Huge scandal by you. Can you do better next time?
@@svenzia As soon as you put a digital section in the signal chain, anything following that becomes compromised. No matter how good the power stages are… they’ll be amplifying a digitally sampled signal - even after it’s gone back through a DAC - it’s still a compromised signal - no matter how good the DAC is…. Anyway - at my age, my hearing isn’t as good as it once was - so modern sampling systems are possibly good enough for me - but the physics doesn’t change!
@@rebeccaabraham8652 Hey, yes i know, and you are right ofc. Hihi, no need for you to do better next time, but i wanted a good explanation from a better explainer than me. Hurrah for Rebecca. Cheers, also getting old btw. Have a great evening. Oh, i have never played the Katana or the Crush but they sound fine imo. Kind regards from Stockholm, Sweden 😃😃
Clean for Katana, overdrive for Orange. Both nice amps. Thanks for the demo. Good info.
Usually it's the other way around for many people. Hehe.
In my headphones the Orange didn't exhibit a wide range of EQ during the clean tones, but showed bigger changes when turning the tone knobs with dirty tones. It sounded good, but not drastically better/different to the Katana and its tonal range.
Thank you for the comparison! I have the 35RT all I need now is the Boss GT1...
The Orange has more low mids, makes it sound fuller. Anyways hard to say which amp is better, think you could get some good sounds out of the Katana if you tweek it a bit
that clean phrase was some gorgeous playing!
Wow, that Orange sounded amazing on clean. I usually only play on distortion but I might start noodling on clean
Probably what you'd expect... Orange has pronounced mids and its signature growl, and tones that could be usable across a slew of genres.. katana sounds *very* thin, even if not overly processed... The best tone you can get out of it would only find its home in some modern punk rock, but there's plenty of settings on it which sound jarring and unpleasant.... Crush beats Katana overall.. but to say analog beats digital *always* feels like falling into a classic trap...
That's because main distortion pedal should be used through "Booster", not through pure gain. I tune all the way to Drop F and D#1, and it sounds absolutely growling and crushing there. You just have to understand what EQ-ing is, to make a good tone out of it.
Orange wins all day everyday.
I have the first generation katana 100. It has that same fizzy sizzle on the top end that's hard to eq out without making it lifeless. I found it was the speaker that I really disliked. I'm currently running it through a Creamback loaded 2x12 and it sounds great. If I was to do it over again, I would definitely get the head and run it through the Creamback cab.
Yep, the speaker no doubt makes a huge difference.
Creamback is the anti fizz speaker. My DSL401 was a fizzy mess and it took care of that. I don't know if the Katana has an FX loop, probably yes. Put an EQ in there and cut 6.4k down, that will also get rid of the top end fizz. Although I got tired of the fizzy DSLs and sold it for an Origin 20C that comes with a V-type and the sound is gorgeous. I can't get a bad sound put of it and as long as the FX loop is engaged and jumped, to avoid bypassing the V3 tube there is no fizz and I run it with treble and mids on max. I couldn't be happier and it's pretty light and portable, it's a bit like a tube amp for people who prefer solid state due to convenience. Man I spent 15 years fighting the fizz I don't know where it comes from and how people get a good tone out of many amps without an EQ in the FX and even then on my DSL I had Treble on 2-3 and bass pretty high up even with Creamback and EQ to get that nice warm classic early 80s metal tone.
Especially the Vintage 30 and what I had in the DSL G12T100, have a cery pronounced top end that combined with a fizzy amp can be horrible. Even the Greenback, if you pair it with a fizzy amp it can be very unpleasant. Cream has more mids and a little less top end and bottom end, with some amps it works amazingly well, with an already very mis pronounced amp it can be a little much but I really love the speaker. Was going to chuck the V-Type but it's quite good, I like it. It will stay for now and later I'll get a Creamback loaded cab and use both, that can be a nice tone Creamback + Greenback or Vintage 30 depending on the amo, tje compliment each other well and can fill some of the gaps you have with only using one type.
Tengo el boss katana mkII 50 y puedo dercir que es un amplificador que sonara mucho pero muchisimo mejor si se le pone presets o establecer el booster como distorsion/overdrive principal, al principio me decepcione que sonara algo digital su distorsion y los limpios pero usando su interfaz de configuracion realmente se puede hacer maravillas con este amplificador hasta el punto que ya no considero comprarme el orange
Me paso igualmente y dije que era una porqueria de Amp pero haora que lo pude entender mejor es unos de mis favorito
I should have bought the Boss Katana but friends said go tube amp! Happy I bought a Bugera tube amp but I had to buy a ton of pedals to get sound I want.
Now I need a practice amp so it is the Orange for me 😁 Great sound test!
If you are starting out get a Boss Katana or Fender Mustang no pedals needed.
Champion 20 if You don't have room and need quiet or Champion 50 If you want friends to come over to jam.
I am looking to own a Boss Katana, but still the orange here sounds way better in my opinion.
I have the Boss Katana 100 watt Head Mk 1 version. Did a simple factory reset and NEVER plug it into a computer.....EVER. I do plug it into either an old Marshall 4--12, Vox 2-12, Peavey or a Dime Cabinet.
I also use pedals with it. As you can imagine, depending on what cabinet or pedals, it sounds radically different.
I love it. Excellent bang for my buck when I don't want to bother with one of my tube amps. BOTH the Orange and Katana are Solid State as far as the Drive or Amp sections are concerned.
What IS digital on the Katana is the pedal's and effects modelling, FX loop and pedal footswitching.
But the GUTS of both, the "engine under the hood" of BOTH is good old Solid state.
I wouldn't mind owning an Orange one day. They also sound great.
If you get a deal on a used Boss 100 Watt head MK 1 version, like I did. DO IT. And I am usually "tube guy."
I hope that helps, Thanks for listening. Cheers!
Why won't you plug it in to a computer?
@@JungYT You are going to laugh your ass off...I only have a ChromeBook that goes up to Windows 7....Katana needs Windows 10 MINIMUM!!!...Hahaha!!!...I also STILL have a flip phone, listen to vinyl records. Use a 4 Trackk Cassette Recorder, love Tubes and listen to 1980's Music....YUP!! .. I am THAT guy!!!..
@@algrundau9441 Well that makes sense. I’m a bit of a techie, but you should do what pleases you. I have a POD Go hooked up to powered monitors, but I am seriously thinking about the orange.
@@JungYT Oh, I am NOT a techie...I wish I was. I FINALLY got into computers around 2020 when Covid hit.
I am 54 years old so I have been resisting for a long time...RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!...hahaha...BUT, it does show that even without a computer, the Katana can be very useful. The only thing I wish they did was have the Noise Gate accessible from the top panel..They FORCE you to deep dive with a computer to get at it....Aaaargh!!!...So I just use a Noise gate pedal. Problem solved.
As far as the Orange. I really liked the Orange Crush CR100 Head. Just by itself it sounded great. I was also plugging it into various cabinets (not all Orange cabs) and using different Overdrives, Fuzzes ect.
Very cool.
...Of course it comes down to what kind of music you play? WHERE do you play? What does the rest of the band use? Does it sit well in the mix? How many different sounds do you need?
But certainly Orange Crush will give you a lot of good things......and you don't have to worry about Tubes....OR COMPUTERS!!!!...Hahaha...Cheers and Good luck.
I found the boss amp had a sharper clarity, whereas the Orange had a warmer tone, with more pronounced bass.
My favorite word salad
I mean, the Katana is designed to work with the Tone Studio. If you spent a few mins on it, you'd be able to get the Katana to sound like anything you want. This is just raw, everything is at 12 o'clock sound. The Orange is a plug in and play type amp, the Katana is made to tweak the hell out of.
@@itsalwayssomething7490 Agreed. Katana wins by default simply because of Tone Studio. You can get pretty much any tone you want! I think the high gain is way better on the Katana, too.
In cleans, definitely Orange is sweet and sharp.... but in High Gain, Katana has more bass and does not pierce the ears... Orange sounds shrill in high gain
I relly should get my dirt channel fixed on the crush... bit of a contact issue in the pot since i broke the knob... my repair was of limited sucess as it sounds like a fuzz now😅😂
When you started the clean part, it made me think you were about to break out into some crazy Polyphia stuff lol. Just sounded like some riffs they would do.
Best solid state room amp is Orange Crush, period.
In production as the best ever is vox escort lead from early eighties
@@marcraygun6290 I forget what it was called but my first amp was a solid state Laney and it sounded very good, I actually missed it when it died and I got a tube amp.
Since my post below, I've bought a Katana 100. Initially I was disappointed after reading all the hype, and as I'm still in the return period was thinking of returning it. BUT that was premature and before I started fiddling with Tone Studio. You can adjust everything and there is a massive range of effects available, all of which can be saved to presets. I compared the on-board Rat pedal with my real Rat and they sound so similar that I can now sell my Rat pedal and get some money back. You can really shape the sound to what you want, though you need to put the time into it initially. But once you've saved some settings that you like, it's then a grab and go with no more twiddling. I'm sure that the Orange sound could be recreated on the Katana. Plus there's loads of support videos (eg Studio Rats) and hardware such as the GA-FC pedal, and it has an easily accessible FX loop (it's under the chassis on the CR60) and has the 0.5W setting which makes it easy to tweak volume at bedroom levels. It's definitely growing on me and becoming a bit of an obsession. Lessons: 1) don't judge a Katana based on the factory settings 2) use Tone Studio to adjust it to your preferences 3) ignore the crunch/lead/brown channels and stick with the clean channel, adding on board dirt and other pedals as required.
Katana has more lows, sort of like listening to a stereo. the orange is definitely the best sounding. but the katana is no slouch. I would like to hear the orange with a 12 inch speaker.
great comparison.
My brother and I bought the Katana and the Crush 20, and both of them are such good Amps, good melodies and nice crunch potential... but I am an Orange fan
I've been struggling to get the same Katana amp to sound right since I got it shortly after it's release. I always thought I was doing something wrong or even other peoples' presets were done with a different speaker or something, but it turns out the "there's a wall between me and the amp" sound is actually just the nature of the amp. Selling my Katana, then going shopping for an amp I'll actually like lol
They both sounded fine. It's a preference really. I have the Crush 12 PiX and I prefer my Fender Mustang I V2 to it. Not really a fair comparison though. 12W vs 20W The Fender has a Orange Custom sim, Orange does Orange better, but across what features the Mustang I V2 has, the Orange is a niche amp after it's all said & done. From other's comments. Orange is a love/hate thing. With Orange, there's also Marshall & Vox as British tone/sound. And the Mustang I V2 has those other British sound amps.
Orange, definitely. This is why I use my TH30 in every show I play with my band.
Crazy timely. I've been considering both of these. Orange it is. Thank you👍
Personally I think the Boss has a way clearer sound on cleans but it’s undeniable the the Orange has better gain sounds. I mostly play in clean/edge of breakup sounds so I’m happy with my MKII100
I went with the Katana because i found it half price used and it's a great speaker for amp and cab sims since it has a poweramp in port. I personally would not be caught using the actual amp tones on either of these units for the really high gain stuff I play.
0:37 riff plz!
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I’ve got the Orange Crush Pro120W and the orange’s gain structure is just fantastic. It must make a really naturally spiky sound because the frequency of distortion is seemingly low. It sounds just so huge and warm and thick.
If you don't want to edit your sound go with the orange. If you have time to play with the boss software go with the katana. I have both but I like the orange better to gig with. Easy to dial and change channels the buttons show you where you are.
can hear the orange has cleaner more present attack (bell like) on cleans. But the kat seems more flexible (if a little thinner), but you could probably tweak it a bit. prefer the orange overall, with the exception of high gain where kat seems better (oddly, since it's meant to be orange's thing).
What I noticed is that the knob settings on both amps are at noon. Expecting two completely different amps to sound similar is ridiculous at best. A better way to show the two amps would be the set the Orange to a tone. Say, everything at noon and then adjust the other amp as needed, in this case the Katana to sound as close as possible.
The Orange has more prominent mid range. This might be good or bad depending on your opinion.
Actually, if the back of the cabinet is closed, that would make it sound more boxy.
If you use the EQ and the residence controls on the Boss Katana
it would sound closer to the orange ,
But a tube amp has a much wider frequency band then a solid state amp .
A tube amp will always sound fuller .
That's just the nature of tubes .
Me personally
The lighter weight and all the bells and whistles .
I Will always choose the Boss Katana.
Close is good enough .
Unless you're doing a side by side comparison
no one's going to notice .
I am very glad that at one time I did not buy either one or the other, but bought a tube ))
Had both and a blackstar silverline and sold them all because I always preferred the sound of my old Marshall 50DFX. The Katana mk2 100 was my least Favourite, that went after a month. The crush 35 lasted a few months, the silverline lasted 6 months. The Marshall 50DFX has lasted over 12 years. Everyone eventually finds their own sound, mines has always been Marshall. I would advise anyone who is looking at buying an amp to take your guitar with you to a shop. Line up the amps you fancy and have a good play on all of them.
i have the katana mk2 100w head and i just love it, sounds even better than some tube amps to me and its much more popular and higher ratet than the orange but i`m also sure that you can never get wrong with an orange amp at all 😎
Sir should I get a charvel dk24 hh or prs se paul's guitar?
The BOSS Roland cleans and the Orange gain, I think if you recorded with both amps it would be the best combination for where the tonal sweet spots are for both amps.
Very interesting comparison. Thank you.
The Orange sounds has that extra something all day long. The Katana sounds kinda harsh a lot of times, and sorta thin in some instances.
I have a boss katana and I love it. Orange sounds good too. My question is what about acoustic through the orange?
What where you playing at cleans?
I'm more of a clean guy and the Crush sounds a little more lush and full on clean tones.
The Orange sounds better in every single instance ! No comparison !
I agree. And one of the parts to orange clean was a little quieter though so some people might think that the boss is better. Actually not positive. I’m listening to this at six in the morning lol
You can’t use the same settings, digitally processed effects have their own thing they don’t follow electro mechanical laws…it’s software. You have to learn your system to get the sound you are looking for. As an electrical engineer I find processing amps annoying because A does not equal B. Although he used same settings it doesn’t mean much, I’m sure he can find a setting that is equivalent.
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AND it's solid state.
I one thousand percent prefer the Katanas clean sound over the orange.
Both sounds great i domt know what people are talking about.. this is raw sound and its how they are supposed to sound n they both are doing just fine raw sound.. lovely video
I’ve tried the boss katana headphone output, and I actually like the tone you get out of it. It actually sounds like a guitar speaker rather than a distorted DI track.
I actually just sold my katana MK2. It made the general tone of my guitars just sound… muddy, and it gave this overall underwater sound and there was just not much I could do about it after so long. It was great when I wanted a bunch of different effects starting out and I didn’t have any pedals but playing clean through the katana vs even an orange crush 12 there was a huge difference and my 12 sounded so much better that my katana collected dust. I use the 35RT now.
I’m not saying the katana is a terrible amp, but it’s decent at a lot of things but not great at anything. The analog amps are going to be great at a few things but lack the versatility of all the digital bells and whistles. As you grow with your guitar journey so will your taste and recognition of good tones and you’ll find what you love.
I like the Vox VT40X, it has the best of both worlds, it has a valve pre amp and modeling, the difference between it and the Katana is like night and day, the saturation and dynamics are great on the Vox, I ordered both the Vox and the Katana amp and ended up sending the Katana back, the only thing I don't like is it doesn't have an effects loop, I get around this by using my overdrive and distortion pedals that are not available on the amps modelling in front of the amp and use the modulation effects on the amp.
Thanks for this Demo, this is exactly what I needed, since I have to choose which one of those I'll buy. It's going to be the orange 🫡
Both sound good. My ears favored the Orange in most cases. I especially preferred the cleans from the Orange.
Katanas are really good for setting the Orange amp and speakers on. Gets them off the floor.
Boss is good sounding too but I like the Orange the most bc it has that mid range.
The Orange sounds very good.
I've tried both of these amps at a music store. Orange Crush 35RT is just plug and play, hard to get a bad sound out of it to my ears, I like the mid-focused sound. The Boss was very noisy and the low to mid-gain distortion lacked dynamics compared to the Orange. I thought the built-in effects on the Boss Katana were pretty good though.
I have a Vox VT40x. I'd say it sits somewhere between these two. I only use maybe 3 of the amp models, but they have good dynamics. It's noisier than the Orange but quieter than the Katana. It has some built in effects that range from good to disappointing. It has an app for editing that I've never bothered using. Headphone out is alright. I'm thinking about replacing it with the Orange Crush 35RT now that I own some effects pedals.
I am using still, line 6 spider
Fantastic review bro. It has inspired me to dust off my Orange 35R tbh. I guess I haven't played it in awhile mostly cause I have since purchased a few other smaller amps which cause of where I am and mostly when I play have been using them. But yeah my Orange is definitely gonna get plugged in and turned up!
I own the crush 12, and what I love about it is that it has the feel of a 100 watts tube amplifier cranked doing that sag thing you feel under your finger tips. Not sure people in the audience would care which of these two amplifiers you use, but I would use the crush. Curious how loud the 35RT can get for gigging. I guess my 12 would be fine mic’d - but you would have to rely on wedges or in-ears.
Orange definitely was more punchy, I have a 35rt and it sounds really good
I don't prefer the sound of the Boss, but for the features that would be the small bed room amp I would want. All those built in effects and just a foot switch add on away.
Boss seems V-shaped for all tones. Dont like the disto on Boss. The only better way for Boss is through headphones for clean sound. Eq on the Boss are more active but Orange's sound (given you like this Orange sound) is clearly the winner. Boss is too much "usine à gaz" for me:)
The thing is, if you dialled in the Katana you could 100% get the tone of the Orange.
Allegedly.
The speaker in the amp is the most important part by far. You don’t have any ability to “dial” that “in”.
@@goodmanwiseman303the katana sounds better headphone out
@@goodmanwiseman303 So buy the Katana Head and choose the right speaker?
Of course you can what are you talking about. The speaker is just a transducer it does with the electronics tell it. @@goodmanwiseman303
Thanks to this video. I ended up getting the Boss Kitana ll 50
The katana has that awesome crunch going
For the record, the Katana is an all Analog amp with digital effects. I was looking into the Crush series and I was torn between that and the Katana for a while. I ended up going with the Katana Artist MKii for a few reasons. The upgraded speaker (which isn’t hard-wired so you can use it at a 1x12” cab for your other amps) and the line out where I can bypass the built in Cab Sim to record direct with 3rd party IR’s. The next amp I would plan to get is the Crush 100 head and plug it through the Katana’s speaker. I think they’re both excellent, but you obviously have to spend some time with the Katana, and have a decent understanding of EQ and how to run a solid signal chain, to really make it shine. That, and the speaker in the regular Katana’s is just too scooped for my taste. The Waza speaker adds more midrange and really makes the difference in your tone.
The first part of your comment doesn't make sense to me.
@@Ryan-vu5mm It's an Analog amp, meaning it's not a digital re-creation of another amp. It has an entirely analog signal path, and then adds digital effects on top of that. The Hughes & Kettner Grandmeister Deluxe 40 is the same sort of thing, except it's an all tube amp that has digital effects and tons of presets.
@@hanktteotd It goes through dsp. It doesn't have to be a digital "recreation of another amp". sending the output of dsp through a power amp doesn't make it an analog amp.
Good video man, sorry but I'll take a Peavey Classic 30 over both of them. But that is just me, there is nothing wrong with the Orange or Katana.
I got a Katana almost 2 years ago, and when playing I noticed the "robotic" sound when playing certain things. At first I didnt notice it but after you hear it for the first time, you cant unhear it and it genuinely ruins my jamming. It might be the way I have it set up but I think im just gonn have to buy myself an Orange for christmas
I play modern-ish metal and the Katana was great for a while to quickly dial in some chuggy gain tone. It's not as noticeable here but the cleans were really lacking some punch. I tried an Orange Crush in a store and was sold almost instantly. Being that its gain doesn't suit my play style I bought a pedal to use in front and that's my setup now, always on clean channel and really stoked with my tones! Can't go back to digital now.
i don't like the sound of either.. boss is not doing bad, bud does some weird stuff in distortion, i might be my headphones, but it seems like two layers of sound there, not some organic sound. Orange is a tad better on cleans. Wouldn't buy any of these. Thanks for a very good recording! and cheers for great playing!
I feel there's a lot more fiddling with the effects and eq on the Boss that could get you to all the places where the Orange sounds better. I just bought my son a mono price $120-delivered 5W 6v6 based 8" combo. A few $25 amazon pedals gets me to a better place than either of these. I mainly play around on my 5W Gibson el84 based reissue. 38W Boogie and 60W Crate tube amps are just too much off-stage. You have to start somewhere and we learn more about what we want as we go and for that, either of these are nice options. I don't see why all these amps don't have a built-in tuner, these days. I've got an Orange Micro Crush and a Bass Crush 100. Both have them.
The only advantage the Katana has is the on board effects. Love Orange amps creamy saturated distortion sounds.
The Boss sounded pretty good, but lacked some of the sweetness of the Orange. Generally it was more scooped sounding.
Which one is better to connect a Line 6 Helix. I love the Orange sound but want to add Line 6 Helix at some point over the next year, I believe the Katana can act like a powered speaker just for that purpose.