Hey everyone, I'm Sean, the designer of the bladeless fan. I want to point out that the supports that everyone is saying should be angled are not solid vertical walls. They're small pegs that attach the concentric domes together. If you look really closely at time 3:30 you can see what I mean. There are basically just dowels attaching between the walls. I tried really hard to have the least amount of surface area pushing air instead of dragging it by the boundary layer effect, and honestly the first thing I would do on a version 2 is remove most of the supports, because the fan is much more rigid than I expected. I know the fan has a lot more improvement to be made, this was just a proof of concept that I spent about an hour on. Also, it definitely is losing some energy to air that drags along the outermost wall, but if you watch the smoke test carefully you can see that some of the air is actually sheeting down along the wall and getting blown through the fan, and this is because of the Coanda effect. Let me know if you'd like to see a bladeless mk. 2!!! I'd love to try and iterate on this design, but I'm not planning on adding blades to the design like many have suggested. It's sort of a self-imposed design constraint to see how well I can take friction and centrifugal forces, two major causes of inefficiency with fans, and use them to make a fan work. The fan may be greatly improved by adding blades, but I would rather push this concept further before compromising and adding blades in.
I think this fan is a great idea. I also think it likely has pretty poor static pressure, I'd be curious to see if it was a good case fan that was exchanging air with little resistance rather than trying to push air through a radiator.
That would be interesting but to qualify for the noise leaderboard the fans should have to reach a minimum performance to prevent people from making a flat disk
@@JetJiles Maybe "quietest fan that doesn't temp throttle". So It would still have to perform the basic function of the fan, but keep the emphasis on noise performance.
seriously. its really awesome seeing so many different ideas coming in. restores my faith in humanity that we aren't all just getting dumber by the year. there's still a few sharp folks out there
Bladeless is ingenious, using the friction to throw outward, and using the geometry funneling it backways, really really clever, and maybe a very niche market could have real use for this!!! Edit, for those making fun of it as a gimmick, thats a pretty limited view, there might be engineering cases where one has to optimize for safety, or very laminar flow generation, therefore blades may be ill suited to the task, but this would work well. Just because we don’t immediately see a use for something does not relegate it to be a gimmick. Its new, it works differently, and so we need to think about what would benefit from its unique strengths
It loses quite a bit of performance because the intake is smaller than its output. We know it's better to blow than suck for cooling, but this one might be better if it was sucking actually! Then you put it on TOP side (not bottom) of a tower cooler inside the "tower case" so it only aids the natural air convection - hot air goes up! Could be real nice actually!
An improvement on the Bladeless would be to curve the vertical supports slightly towards the direction of the spin. I guess it wouldn't technically be "bladeless" anymore, since they would function similar to blades, but it would increase airflow along the outer edge, and pull air in a bit better.
I knnow zero things about 3d printing and I love this series. Just so cool to watch the designs and how they work. Also, loving the PLA colour this week
@@obvfw high five for an amazing comment. Totally made me smile. The only reason I know anything about the plastics involved in the printing is that I am often repairing Star Wars costumes. Have to know the plastic to get the glues right.
The bladeless is one interesting piece. Would be cool to know, how it performs at higher rpm. I recon a design like that might "need" more rpm to really flow some air
The way the smoke just completely disappeared after going into the bladeless tells me it broke up so thoroughly that the fan might be a useful design for a humidifier or some other atomization device.
if I can make a small request in your editing, can you change the color or in some way highlight the Delta numbers compared to the rest? Just would make them pop a bit more and make it easier to differentiate from the other numbers at a quicker glance.
There is a channel where people compete with self designed fan blades? WTAF! The internet is an awesome place sometimes. Definitely subbed. Editing is on point.
the radial walls wich only rotate air should be angled, that would improve the performance a lot. also the smoke test revealed that some air is drawn along the outside(!) of the curve, if the rotor would be a little bit smaller than the fan-opening that outside flow might be used as well.
If you use the bladeless one, even with a small sweeping edge maybe even just angling the crossbars a little into some, the thing would both catch from the edges as designed, AND pull more air.
I suspect that getting the "layers" bit closer to each other also would also create better flow since there is also friction between the surface and air that affects the airflow by dragging - since thats basically a tesla turbine
Such a cool cat, man. You supported and celebrated the bladeless even though it wasn't the best, not even second best... and you were positive and cool about it. I say "good on you". Keep up the positivity and support, and I salute you, good sir.
Yea i was thinking exactly the same. Turning the support structure into a slope. And also maybe tuning the distance and amount of rings. But then the big question is. Is the low sound a result of the design or just simply becouse it moves low air volumes. At some point u will hit a wall when it comes to sound on a certain cfm/diameter
@@dagtveitgmail I felt those supports were in effect a blade - and angling them with a curve - to make blades - may still be quiet but have increased airflow
Adding to your suggestion, I’d say that the support structure should be spiraled as to give the “bladeless” a corkscrew geometry to assist with the pressure.
@@Destroyer9747 Maybe have the rings corkscrew on the inside and smooth on the outside, and the supports simply angled. Also maybe have the rings funnel-shaped rather than dome-shaped.
This is for everyone down here in the comments. As well as contestants. I would love to see some colab fan design. Let's get some of the top fan designers together to design a fan. !!!!!!
I want you to know I just started a new Linus tech tips and immediately switched over to you. Sure I'm going to go back and watch the other thing later but this one was just released.
I am glad saw this channel. Just finished watching the entire playlist. From what I understand, is that most of the fan do not blow air in streamline and this has to do with how leading edge is designed. The most difficult part in fan blades is to maintain the optimum angle of attack. The velocity at inlet and RPM of the fan determines the angle of attack. Velocity at inlet is specific to each fan design and is normally tuned based on trial and error using simulation. The RPM of the motor is not a fixed. It is dependent on the fan weight and drag. So it is really hard to estimate the optimum angle of attack. A more simpler fan with large tolerances to inlet conditions works better and more sophisticated blade design (like the turbo jet blades) perform poor, as they need to be tuned to right conditions. Sometimes it's is just luck. Overall , it is very interesting series. I might make one design of my own and send one. Even do few test prints using my Ender-3.
It would be interesting to test the bladeless at higher RPM, with no blades it should take very little power to run it at several thousand RPM. At high RPM it may well put out an airflow that would put it on the leader board :) A bladeless silent high RPM low power fan is the sort of thing that James Dyson would come up with !
The fact the blade-less centrifugal force fan actually worked was amazing, I did not think it would because I thought the mass of the air would not be enough. However Here is a thought, would that centrifugal force fan work as an impeller for pushing water trough a water cooled system, rather than using a standard pump?
That or a pair of blades in the cavity to bring air into it and then really utilize the centrifugal blower design better. It looks like it solved an obvious problem without incorporating the variable that would benefit from the solution.
I was thinking something similar. After reading all of these comments, I wonder if doing that and bringing the vanes together in a nose-screw would force more air through.
Putting an outer shell like the bladeless as an outer ring on a two or three blade center might gain a performance increase, hwile only adding low frequency sound and probably acting like a parabolic dish to focus more of that behind the fan. Just moving the concentric sections a little further apart might improve airflow, though since it probably also uses some boundary layer effects to move the air like the Tesla turbine does to extract energy from whatever is driving it it might have the opposite effect. Could be worth experimenting with, though, and there's no denying it looks really interesting.
A little tweak from that dome shaped blade less fan Is promising. I wana see more upgrades from it may be a little tilt from the support will do the trick (maybe). Happy new year!
To make a fan "equal", in pressure delivery... You have to twist the blades flatter, the further you get from the center. The easy way to do this is create your inner-angle first, and simply rotate the fan and pull a line outward from the inner angle, to your outer-edge. (In code, you can just project the angle from your inner angle, to the outer-edge, spread-out so the lines all intersect the center of the axle. But your blade will be larger as it expands out. You put MORE twist back into it, if you make the blades more narrow, but you will introduce more noise and completely nullify equality of pressure, creating a "pulse" as that gap between blades expands.) This is because the outside edge of the fan blade is spinning faster than the inner part, near the axle. It travels a greater linear distance, so it needs to be less of an inclination. Otherwise the outer edge of the fan will be "pushing air outward", while the inner part will, relatively, be "pulling air in". Adding a "cone" to the exhaust direction, will also quiet the fan a little too. Otherwise you create a "void" that the air is constantly collapsing into, which creates a faint pulsing, at high speeds. That is why jet-engines have a cone at the exhaust, off the turbines. It has to be designed for the specific air-flow that you expect to be moving. The faster the air-flow, the longer the cone has to be. The slower it is, the shorter and more blunt it can be. (Slower air will diffuse faster and faster air will thrust out before expanding, creating a form of "Venturi effect". That is why a "free-air" fan seems, initially, to be better for massive air flow. Only a fraction of air is being moved "by the blades", the rest is ambient "flow", pulled-in to motion, by the directed air.) A pure quiet fan would be a simple "balanced disk", with stationary "wipers", that skim air off the surface as the disk spins fast. Hard-drives use a form of this air-skimming, to help float the head off the disk, as well as circulate the air internally, within the pressurized case of expensive nitrogen-filled drives. The best "free-air" fan is a simple "propeller" style design. It has the greatest "free-air flow", but low "static-pressure". Actually quite a horrible design to use for cooling, but great for moving a lot of air around, unrestricted. The best fan for moving high volumes "through restricted mediums", like filters and cooling-fins and radiators, is a "squirrel-cage", or "blower fan", which uses lateral blades, arranged in a circle, and harbors the power of "centrifugal force", as well as airfoil properties, to "pump" massive volumes of air, at high pressures, through constricted mediums. Though, it is notably less volume than a "free-air" design, in "free-air"... It pushes MORE, under high static loads, than any "free-air" design can possibly ever do, with less power. (You can get a venturi effect with a blower-fan too, making it more powerful than any free-air fan, which is the secret to the "Dyson bladeless fan" design, which actually has a blade, out of view.) The right tool for the right job... Computers, for years, have used the wrong tools, because they were cheap, or adequate, "out of the box", but not "in regular use".
I would have laughed hysterically had someone suggested I'd enjoy a fan competition video, but that's the stuff entertainment is made of! Gonna pop a bag & watch some more blade turning showdowns!
I’ve watched this channel for 2 days and I can just tell your an amazing person! I really appreciate your positivity but still be able to be joking with submitters and finding technical analysis and areas for improvement but in a respectful way. Maybe this is no big deal, but in my career the callousness and disrespect directed from individuals with my own organization is disgusting. I feel like I need to take a shower every way to wipe of the disgusting shade being thrown for no other reason but to be an ass. Kind of refreshing to find something on the internet that is the polar opposite - and ironically the internet would usually be where you find the former attitudes. I really think it shows how powerful a platform this can be an on everyone to not be an asshole to each other while not being commandeering and a drag. Guess it’s been one hell of a week! If you’re reading this I hope you have a good rest of yours and do something fun. Most days I just want to collapse on the couch but this channel gives me hope in getting back into the things I used to do to have fun that don’t feel worth it anymore. Shit’s messed up but I think we’ll make it through it…maybe…possibly…lol I guess that’s just the fun of giving it your all one more time! 🙃🎉
So... as a Private Pilot, computer geek, former helicopter mechanic, and having gone to HVAC school (I love learning stuff. and all of those things apply one way or another), I find this FASCINATING! The one thing I was curious about: Do you have a "standard", off the shelf type fan that you've tested as a benchmark?
Any air touching in the middle when the fan is spun up is also getting spun and that spin produces an outwards force pushing the air into the outer curves then out the back
Air has mass. What happens when you spin a mass? It wants to go away from the center of spin. When air is displaced, it creates high pressure where it is displaced to and low pressure where it is displaced from. Air always flows from areas of high pressure to areas of low pressure. By pushing air out of the fan through the concentric open dome rings, it creates a low pressure area in front of the fan, which air then flows into and the cycle repeats.
@@fermitupoupon1754 Yeah, they essentially just act to compress some air to allow the open dome like shapes to do what they will with it by channeling it over the shape. I'm wondering if adding some angle to the supports would make a big difference.
This is one of my favourite episodes to date….. the way you present out is brill and adhoc (seemingly!) but really engaging👊 love the new stuff too but a bit polished, keep up the good work dude can wait for the next episode to drop
With Sean's fan, maybe try a housing that matches the outer bowl profile, which is flush with the fan rim, that could maybe be adjusted in and out. Maybe a golf ball pattern on the outside of the bowl fan without aforementioned housing?
I think the same that no matter their shape, if you create angled parts that spin and catch the air, they are blades. I will admit though that I really like the 3d printed blades and I was surprised how much air the round one moved.
Fan at 1:22 looks exactly like old 220V fans used in various industrial hardware (and military hardware) in USSR, usually had rounded blade corners though, to reduce stress concentration. ANd final fan is a form of centrifugal pump, it it really hard to make them balanced, and significant impact on noise and engine bearing wear is balance of the fan.
The “blade-less” fan isn’t free from “blades” they aren’t exposed in the traditional sense, but there are still blades and they are just enclosed. The vertical structure walls that run the length of the cone and have a pretty substantial width are in a sense directing the airflow down and to the layers of circular channels while exiting out the concaved slits. It’s just a different design.
So I am sitting here surfing youtube, I press a video, and now out of the blue I am watching a video about Fan designes from randos, and I do say, I am a fan, dont know why, dont now how I got here, but a fan of the fans I am =) So good on you good sir, happy new year =)
Man's got a whole series dedicated to testing fans with sound and temp comparisons. Meanwhile, my set up is a gaming laptop on a stand with a desk fan next to it.
Just a thought for the bladeless one. If the internal supports were in a spiral, instead of front to back line, might get a tad more out of it. Wouldn't waste energy pushing the air around in circles. All movement would at least have a component in the direction of the outlet. Ya never know. ;)
Noticed interesting thing in several of these. Surface drag on outer shell pulling air around the fan shell and creating turbulence. This could increase energy consumption and decrease efficiency on some margin.
The bladeless is creating a pressure vacuum inside its bowl and would probably work better if it had little scoops at the inner end of its support spokes, to sort of break up the air's laminar flow and scoop air into the holes, though this might reduce the whole noiseless aspect.
The bladeless seemed to have an issue where it only disrupted airflow directly in front of the cone wich would cool off a smaller target and create a pseudo heat sink where a good chunk of the heat would disperse to this cooler area before getting sucked off or trying to heat up a heated area I wonder if there is a design that would maximize the radius or cooling effect along with positioning key heat throwing components closer than usual that would help performance with out hurting the other philosophies put into it or even if making it bigger would make a significant difference in the heat with out hurting its noise prospects
Can you make the simplest design that completely disregard noise? The motor consumes x amount of energy that translates to to x rpm depending on the angle of the blades. Figuring out the the angle out bring the optimal design to move air.
Nice designs and a note The noise coming from the blade is due to the fin is slicing through the air causing this high noise A fix for this is use a guide ring around the fins and the fins should not be straight it should be twisted type to increase air flow and reduce vibration and noise.
I wonder if the bladeless fan could be improved by having those supports that run between the circles be angled like fan blades to turn it into a series of concentric ducted fans? Might provide a little more push to get that air moving while also taking advantage of its centripetal force effect.
How about tilting the support structure of the bladeless fan so they become blades? You get a lot more air moved since you combine traditional fan design and remove the air loss to the sides.
On the bladeless fan, some protruding fins that can grab at the air and get it spinning will greatly help its performance. Right now, it looks like you are having a hard time getting the air spinning with the fan.
the concentric circles is an interesting concept. though it came in last, it seemed to work just enough. I wonder if it has a spiral ridge in both sides of each dome, it can help propel the air flow better and improve efficiency without adding noise?
It has been fun watching the production quality of your videos getting better with each season. Nice work Major Hardware! the crossfade fan things at the end is nice.
Hello there from Philippines im an aircraft technician only just sharing my thoughts to you.Just make huge fan blades but not to much for the motor and motor that run only low rpm but high torque,this reason you could minimize noise. In your experiment i think you are not looking for compression so you dont need hugh speed motor but just lower rpm with high torque in low rpm. But if your looking for some compression just make simple a CENTRIFUGAL COMPRESSOR or in EXTREME AXIAL COMPRESSOR with many stages of rotor blade and stator bladed
Hey everyone, I'm Sean, the designer of the bladeless fan.
I want to point out that the supports that everyone is saying should be angled are not solid vertical walls. They're small pegs that attach the concentric domes together. If you look really closely at time 3:30 you can see what I mean. There are basically just dowels attaching between the walls. I tried really hard to have the least amount of surface area pushing air instead of dragging it by the boundary layer effect, and honestly the first thing I would do on a version 2 is remove most of the supports, because the fan is much more rigid than I expected. I know the fan has a lot more improvement to be made, this was just a proof of concept that I spent about an hour on. Also, it definitely is losing some energy to air that drags along the outermost wall, but if you watch the smoke test carefully you can see that some of the air is actually sheeting down along the wall and getting blown through the fan, and this is because of the Coanda effect.
Let me know if you'd like to see a bladeless mk. 2!!! I'd love to try and iterate on this design, but I'm not planning on adding blades to the design like many have suggested. It's sort of a self-imposed design constraint to see how well I can take friction and centrifugal forces, two major causes of inefficiency with fans, and use them to make a fan work. The fan may be greatly improved by adding blades, but I would rather push this concept further before compromising and adding blades in.
I think this fan is a great idea. I also think it likely has pretty poor static pressure, I'd be curious to see if it was a good case fan that was exchanging air with little resistance rather than trying to push air through a radiator.
Dude your amazing please make another one this is almost similar to Nicola Tesla blade less turbine
I'd say keep iterating on it. Eventually you'd probably end up with something patent worthy
I Just watched this because your fan on the thumb of the video.
Great design. Keep improving.
I love this idea. Before adding fans would texturing the surfaces have an impact? (like divots on a golf ball?)
No gimmicks, no shenanigans, only fans
Someone say OnlyFans?
And a radiator, don't forget that ! lol.
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He should set an OnlyFans... with pics of the fans.
The focus on noise-reduction is interesting, perhaps a noise leaderboard is in order.
Noise normalized at like 40 dba or something. So you have an overall performance chart and a noise normalized chart.
What about noise Performance Ratio?
i'll make a fan that is just a piece to go on the bearing surface and no blades to win the quiet contest
That would be interesting but to qualify for the noise leaderboard the fans should have to reach a minimum performance to prevent people from making a flat disk
@@JetJiles Maybe "quietest fan that doesn't temp throttle". So It would still have to perform the basic function of the fan, but keep the emphasis on noise performance.
The youtube algorithm is wild. A few minutes ago I was watching videos of prison fights and now I'm watching a video on 3d printed fans
yeah the video below is someone cutting watermelons
I went from kpop to this
Why were you watchign vids of prison fights
First time?
@@arnoldwerschky9413 Ig
It’s amazing how you can make fan testing so fun.
The Bladeless deserves a special place on the wall.
NO!!! This Bladeless design deserves blades to do better :D
@@janbaxa3282 both sound great
I second this motion!
The bladeless may just need higher RPM :)
Alot fans need a special place
This is literally the best series on RUclips. Keep it up!!
true
It's funny that I'm so intrigued by different fan designs and how they perform lol. I love it.
Beaten only by the water cooled air cooler 😂
its figuratively the best series on youtube
seriously. its really awesome seeing so many different ideas coming in. restores my faith in humanity that we aren't all just getting dumber by the year. there's still a few sharp folks out there
Bladeless is ingenious, using the friction to throw outward, and using the geometry funneling it backways, really really clever, and maybe a very niche market could have real use for this!!!
Edit, for those making fun of it as a gimmick, thats a pretty limited view, there might be engineering cases where one has to optimize for safety, or very laminar flow generation, therefore blades may be ill suited to the task, but this would work well. Just because we don’t immediately see a use for something does not relegate it to be a gimmick. Its new, it works differently, and so we need to think about what would benefit from its unique strengths
It's basically a centrifugal blower with an integrated duct.
It loses quite a bit of performance because the intake is smaller than its output.
We know it's better to blow than suck for cooling, but this one might be better if it was sucking actually!
Then you put it on TOP side (not bottom) of a tower cooler inside the "tower case" so it only aids the natural air convection - hot air goes up!
Could be real nice actually!
It has poor efficiency on both cooling and sizing. It can be a gimmick product, installed for the lulz.
An improvement on the Bladeless would be to curve the vertical supports slightly towards the direction of the spin. I guess it wouldn't technically be "bladeless" anymore, since they would function similar to blades, but it would increase airflow along the outer edge, and pull air in a bit better.
@@Crown-Fox I fully agree and were about to say the same thing.
Stumbled on this channel at 12 in the morning and now I’m at 2 in the morning and I haven’t stopped watching.
My girlfriend calls you "Fan Daddy". Just y'know, thought you should know that.
What your hand ? Man of culture indeed.
@@TheChenchen no actually, your mother
@@DieselBadger60 Welll your mother's green though
That twitch into has the biggest 'dad' vibes ever
I knnow zero things about 3d printing and I love this series. Just so cool to watch the designs and how they work. Also, loving the PLA colour this week
yeah they're beautiful
Hey you do know one thing about 3D printing: PLA!
@@obvfw high five for an amazing comment. Totally made me smile.
The only reason I know anything about the plastics involved in the printing is that I am often repairing Star Wars costumes. Have to know the plastic to get the glues right.
I'm with you, I no nothing about 3d printing, and could care less about fan design.
You should re design Enis’s fan but instead of 2 halves decide it into 1/4s each offset by 90 degrees
Yep, at 180 then 50% of the fan is just messing up the airflow :(
hope Enis see this comment and resubmit the design
@@weebslime If I understand the rules correctly, then anyone could have done it :)
make it an infinite amount of splits where the offset for each point is on a curve. then, you can try different curves and see what happens.
Maybe he should do that in 1/360s...
The bladeless is one interesting piece. Would be cool to know, how it performs at higher rpm. I recon a design like that might "need" more rpm to really flow some air
That and the concept probably needs to be optimized. Thet should patent if it's not yet patented.
Blameless server fans is my wet dream
The way the smoke just completely disappeared after going into the bladeless tells me it broke up so thoroughly that the fan might be a useful design for a humidifier or some other atomization device.
if I can make a small request in your editing, can you change the color or in some way highlight the Delta numbers compared to the rest? Just would make them pop a bit more and make it easier to differentiate from the other numbers at a quicker glance.
I think he should do what Snapchat does, keep the font the same colour but put a black background which is opaque
Editing and energy were on point in this video, this was a fun one to watch.
During the vapor test, I always imagine him vaping off camera.
He showed how he's doing it, it involves Tide
We get it, you created a entire RUclips series as an excuse to vape! /s
Love the extra effort in editing like incorporating snippets from mails etc. Really makes the whole idea shine better
There is a channel where people compete with self designed fan blades? WTAF! The internet is an awesome place sometimes. Definitely subbed. Editing is on point.
I feel like that "blade less" design has some more potential to move a LOT more air while remaining whisper quiet
the radial walls wich only rotate air should be angled, that would improve the performance a lot.
also the smoke test revealed that some air is drawn along the outside(!) of the curve, if the rotor would be a little bit smaller than the fan-opening that outside flow might be used as well.
@@ulrichkalber9039 If you angled them it would not longer be bladeless
the bladeless might actually be pretty good as exhaust fan with a velocity stack in a positive air pressure pc
Thats what i was thinking
I can't click fast enough when a new episode comes up!
I'm pretyy much the same way. I don't why I find this so facinating that it excites me.
If you use the bladeless one, even with a small sweeping edge maybe even just angling the crossbars a little into some, the thing would both catch from the edges as designed, AND pull more air.
I suspect that getting the "layers" bit closer to each other also would also create better flow since there is also friction between the surface and air that affects the airflow by dragging - since thats basically a tesla turbine
Such a cool cat, man.
You supported and celebrated the bladeless even though it wasn't the best, not even second best... and you were positive and cool about it. I say "good on you". Keep up the positivity and support, and I salute you, good sir.
At first I thought this was just a guy who was really passionate about fans.
Is he not?
I was the first twitch follower and I will forever be proud of that
If the “bladeless” added an angled plane where the support structure is, it would perform way better
that was exactly my thinking
Yea i was thinking exactly the same. Turning the support structure into a slope. And also maybe tuning the distance and amount of rings. But then the big question is. Is the low sound a result of the design or just simply becouse it moves low air volumes. At some point u will hit a wall when it comes to sound on a certain cfm/diameter
@@dagtveitgmail I felt those supports were in effect a blade - and angling them with a curve - to make blades - may still be quiet but have increased airflow
Adding to your suggestion, I’d say that the support structure should be spiraled as to give the “bladeless” a corkscrew geometry to assist with the pressure.
@@Destroyer9747 Maybe have the rings corkscrew on the inside and smooth on the outside, and the supports simply angled. Also maybe have the rings funnel-shaped rather than dome-shaped.
i love the fanshowdown series.
This is for everyone down here in the comments. As well as contestants. I would love to see some colab fan design. Let's get some of the top fan designers together to design a fan. !!!!!!
since I know you're reading the comments right now, You need to follow up on that 3D printed radiator idea...
Believe me we will refine the process to a science soon fella . patience
I love the fan showdown so much and the host is so wholesome I like that guy a lot
I want you to know I just started a new Linus tech tips and immediately switched over to you. Sure I'm going to go back and watch the other thing later but this one was just released.
I stopped watching Linus when he grew the beard, the only bearded youtuber worth watching is the one and only Big Clive !
@@steverpcb i have never heard someone say something so true in my entire life
@@steverpcb Can one even claim that Linus has a beard when Clive's exists?
I am glad saw this channel. Just finished watching the entire playlist. From what I understand, is that most of the fan do not blow air in streamline and this has to do with how leading edge is designed. The most difficult part in fan blades is to maintain the optimum angle of attack. The velocity at inlet and RPM of the fan determines the angle of attack. Velocity at inlet is specific to each fan design and is normally tuned based on trial and error using simulation. The RPM of the motor is not a fixed. It is dependent on the fan weight and drag. So it is really hard to estimate the optimum angle of attack.
A more simpler fan with large tolerances to inlet conditions works better and more sophisticated blade design (like the turbo jet blades) perform poor, as they need to be tuned to right conditions. Sometimes it's is just luck.
Overall , it is very interesting series. I might make one design of my own and send one. Even do few test prints using my Ender-3.
Man you make some of my favorite tech videos. The fan showdown is the series I click as soon as I pull up youtube
damn the Noctua hoodie is sick af
I saw it, and immediately ordered one.
It would be interesting to test the bladeless at higher RPM, with no blades it should take very little power to run it at several thousand RPM. At high RPM it may well put out an airflow that would put it on the leader board :)
A bladeless silent high RPM low power fan is the sort of thing that James Dyson would come up with !
yeahsss
That's true. Overvolting the motor and perhaps slightly angling the support slats could make big differences.
@@802Garage but would that then still be bladeless? :D
Also no matter what way the fan is spun it will push air out the same side
@@gavinhicks7621 That is a pretty cool feature actually.
This is the earliest I’ve ever seen a video released!! So excited for Season 2
Video at 7:50 and the smoke tests are why I keep coming back. Love this channel and where you're taking it!!
Did the Noctua's A12x25 got removed from the leaderboards as not to be put to shame?
And at the same time, you got a new Noctua hoodie!? Busted!
5:30
"Mom, you cooking dinner?"
"No son, it's dad start vaping again"
I literally think it's vape smoke
@@lukie4ever he uses a smoke machine to fill up a tide bottle. And then just pours it out. Showed it in a past video
@@andresacosta5318 can you send me a link of that vid?
The fact the blade-less centrifugal force fan actually worked was amazing, I did not think it would because I thought the mass of the air would not be enough. However Here is a thought, would that centrifugal force fan work as an impeller for pushing water trough a water cooled system, rather than using a standard pump?
For PLA, enable Ironing in your slicer for a smooth finish.
Only on flat top surfaces... Most of these are curved
@@ale6242 Slicers should be able to fix their software so that non curved and non top surfaces can be none
this is probably the coolest series ive ever seen on youtube no joke
ive been waiting to see a centrifugal fan, id like to see one done like the turbofan wheels on racecars
ask and you recieved.
We can rightly assume big fan companies are watching this YT channel very closely.. I'm sure they're also big fans.
HHHAAAAAARRRRRRRR!
What if, instead of the supporting fins on the bladeless being straight, they were angled to direct air better?
Yeah I was thinking this too. Just a little bit of blade angle might make that thing work very well.
Ya
That or a pair of blades in the cavity to bring air into it and then really utilize the centrifugal blower design better. It looks like it solved an obvious problem without incorporating the variable that would benefit from the solution.
I was thinking something similar. After reading all of these comments, I wonder if doing that and bringing the vanes together in a nose-screw would force more air through.
Yes it probably would. That being said, Sean had an ideal and stuck to it completely. So props there.
2:46 That beep was loud.
Yeah it was very harsh
I love that this is what this channel has turned into...a bunch of people invested into spinny things.
Enis was just like
_Introduces self with few words. Submits fan design. Refuses to elaborate. Vanishes._
When that music started I just kept waiting for Dave Grhol to start singing.
Its starting to remind me of the old robot wars with all the different designs ramping up the competition
I always wanted to participate in that. But there was no such competition in my area :(.
Wow, a RUclips suggestion that I actually liked! You sir, have my sub.
Is it like a big sub? Or more like a mini sub? Both are wicked, I am just curious.
Putting an outer shell like the bladeless as an outer ring on a two or three blade center might gain a performance increase, hwile only adding low frequency sound and probably acting like a parabolic dish to focus more of that behind the fan. Just moving the concentric sections a little further apart might improve airflow, though since it probably also uses some boundary layer effects to move the air like the Tesla turbine does to extract energy from whatever is driving it it might have the opposite effect. Could be worth experimenting with, though, and there's no denying it looks really interesting.
Don't the radial supports count? If they are planar, I think they count as blades.
My boy Enis clarified his name so you could keep this pg. Respect.
Kinda like my buddy ock. Pronounced oak.
This guy gave me the vibe that he listens to "Come Get your Love" in his spaceship
I listen to it in my car, great song. Would love a space ship. But I am nothing like Chris Pratt :(
I immediately clicked when i saw this! The bladeless could improve with a better angle inside.
A little tweak from that dome shaped blade less fan Is promising. I wana see more upgrades from it may be a little tilt from the support will do the trick (maybe).
Happy new year!
To make a fan "equal", in pressure delivery... You have to twist the blades flatter, the further you get from the center. The easy way to do this is create your inner-angle first, and simply rotate the fan and pull a line outward from the inner angle, to your outer-edge. (In code, you can just project the angle from your inner angle, to the outer-edge, spread-out so the lines all intersect the center of the axle. But your blade will be larger as it expands out. You put MORE twist back into it, if you make the blades more narrow, but you will introduce more noise and completely nullify equality of pressure, creating a "pulse" as that gap between blades expands.) This is because the outside edge of the fan blade is spinning faster than the inner part, near the axle. It travels a greater linear distance, so it needs to be less of an inclination. Otherwise the outer edge of the fan will be "pushing air outward", while the inner part will, relatively, be "pulling air in".
Adding a "cone" to the exhaust direction, will also quiet the fan a little too. Otherwise you create a "void" that the air is constantly collapsing into, which creates a faint pulsing, at high speeds. That is why jet-engines have a cone at the exhaust, off the turbines. It has to be designed for the specific air-flow that you expect to be moving. The faster the air-flow, the longer the cone has to be. The slower it is, the shorter and more blunt it can be. (Slower air will diffuse faster and faster air will thrust out before expanding, creating a form of "Venturi effect". That is why a "free-air" fan seems, initially, to be better for massive air flow. Only a fraction of air is being moved "by the blades", the rest is ambient "flow", pulled-in to motion, by the directed air.)
A pure quiet fan would be a simple "balanced disk", with stationary "wipers", that skim air off the surface as the disk spins fast. Hard-drives use a form of this air-skimming, to help float the head off the disk, as well as circulate the air internally, within the pressurized case of expensive nitrogen-filled drives.
The best "free-air" fan is a simple "propeller" style design. It has the greatest "free-air flow", but low "static-pressure". Actually quite a horrible design to use for cooling, but great for moving a lot of air around, unrestricted. The best fan for moving high volumes "through restricted mediums", like filters and cooling-fins and radiators, is a "squirrel-cage", or "blower fan", which uses lateral blades, arranged in a circle, and harbors the power of "centrifugal force", as well as airfoil properties, to "pump" massive volumes of air, at high pressures, through constricted mediums. Though, it is notably less volume than a "free-air" design, in "free-air"... It pushes MORE, under high static loads, than any "free-air" design can possibly ever do, with less power. (You can get a venturi effect with a blower-fan too, making it more powerful than any free-air fan, which is the secret to the "Dyson bladeless fan" design, which actually has a blade, out of view.)
The right tool for the right job... Computers, for years, have used the wrong tools, because they were cheap, or adequate, "out of the box", but not "in regular use".
Lowest noise without throttle should be a thing. :>
I'd definitely watch a fan-designing stream!
I would have laughed hysterically had someone suggested I'd enjoy a fan competition video, but that's the stuff entertainment is made of! Gonna pop a bag & watch some more blade turning showdowns!
I’ve watched this channel for 2 days and I can just tell your an amazing person! I really appreciate your positivity but still be able to be joking with submitters and finding technical analysis and areas for improvement but in a respectful way. Maybe this is no big deal, but in my career the callousness and disrespect directed from individuals with my own organization is disgusting. I feel like I need to take a shower every way to wipe of the disgusting shade being thrown for no other reason but to be an ass. Kind of refreshing to find something on the internet that is the polar opposite - and ironically the internet would usually be where you find the former attitudes. I really think it shows how powerful a platform this can be an on everyone to not be an asshole to each other while not being commandeering and a drag. Guess it’s been one hell of a week! If you’re reading this I hope you have a good rest of yours and do something fun. Most days I just want to collapse on the couch but this channel gives me hope in getting back into the things I used to do to have fun that don’t feel worth it anymore. Shit’s messed up but I think we’ll make it through it…maybe…possibly…lol I guess that’s just the fun of giving it your all one more time! 🙃🎉
Bladeless needs the vertical slats to be angled, would make a major difference.
But then it wouldn't be bladless
Nevertheless, now that the principle has been proven, its time to give it blades
do you realize you are the only youtuber who literally nails his fans to the wall and still has a successful channel?
I lost my shit when I see the CFM: "LOW"
I wanna think he did this more so because he couldn't get a reading with the machine he was using more so than the lols xD
CFM LOW = Never mind the quality, feel the width :)
CFM: No
5:22 If you also looking a name of the song, and not noticed it in the video.. it's "Cool boarders - Honeycutts"
So... as a Private Pilot, computer geek, former helicopter mechanic, and having gone to HVAC school (I love learning stuff. and all of those things apply one way or another), I find this FASCINATING! The one thing I was curious about:
Do you have a "standard", off the shelf type fan that you've tested as a benchmark?
2:46 My left ear really enjoyed that!
Surely there is someone out there who wants to explain to us plebs how that fan with no blades is moving air through the center?
probably. ask reddit; they'll explain even if they don't know how it works.
edit: nvm, youtube will do the same
Any air touching in the middle when the fan is spun up is also getting spun and that spin produces an outwards force pushing the air into the outer curves then out the back
Air has mass. What happens when you spin a mass? It wants to go away from the center of spin. When air is displaced, it creates high pressure where it is displaced to and low pressure where it is displaced from. Air always flows from areas of high pressure to areas of low pressure. By pushing air out of the fan through the concentric open dome rings, it creates a low pressure area in front of the fan, which air then flows into and the cycle repeats.
it isn't technically bladeless. There's radial supports between the concentric rings. The supports work as impeller blades.
@@fermitupoupon1754 Yeah, they essentially just act to compress some air to allow the open dome like shapes to do what they will with it by channeling it over the shape. I'm wondering if adding some angle to the supports would make a big difference.
I'm convinced there isn't really a smoke machine. He's just that godly at blowing clouds
This is one of my favourite episodes to date….. the way you present out is brill and adhoc (seemingly!) but really engaging👊 love the new stuff too but a bit polished, keep up the good work dude can wait for the next episode to drop
With Sean's fan, maybe try a housing that matches the outer bowl profile, which is flush with the fan rim, that could maybe be adjusted in and out. Maybe a golf ball pattern on the outside of the bowl fan without aforementioned housing?
Imagine turning the structural supports that hold the rings together into blades.
I'd argue that it's a round blade, but a blade nonetheless.
I think the same that no matter their shape, if you create angled parts that spin and catch the air, they are blades. I will admit though that I really like the 3d printed blades and I was surprised how much air the round one moved.
the legend says that if you are this early you get a heart, love the show man, greetings from Venezuela
Fan at 1:22 looks exactly like old 220V fans used in various industrial hardware (and military hardware) in USSR, usually had rounded blade corners though, to reduce stress concentration. ANd final fan is a form of centrifugal pump, it it really hard to make them balanced, and significant impact on noise and engine bearing wear is balance of the fan.
The “blade-less” fan isn’t free from “blades” they aren’t exposed in the traditional sense, but there are still blades and they are just enclosed. The vertical structure walls that run the length of the cone and have a pretty substantial width are in a sense directing the airflow down and to the layers of circular channels while exiting out the concaved slits. It’s just a different design.
Day 265: Finally, I gave myself up to youtube's weird 3D printed fan algorithm...
I really hope Enis’ last name doesn’t start with a P
I'm so early I don't know what to say
Shhh
Hoi
Hold up a boombox, and say anything.
@@antontaylor4530 No boombox, but randomly saying the word, anything is getting me strange looks, from the hoomans, nearby...
What a neat application of 3D printing, can't say I ever considered it for using it like this.
Thanks for sharing!
So I am sitting here surfing youtube, I press a video, and now out of the blue I am watching a video about Fan designes from randos, and I do say, I am a fan, dont know why, dont now how I got here, but a fan of the fans I am =) So good on you good sir, happy new year =)
Man's got a whole series dedicated to testing fans with sound and temp comparisons.
Meanwhile, my set up is a gaming laptop on a stand with a desk fan next to it.
Just a thought for the bladeless one. If the internal supports were in a spiral, instead of front to back line, might get a tad more out of it. Wouldn't waste energy pushing the air around in circles. All movement would at least have a component in the direction of the outlet. Ya never know. ;)
I think there should be a bladeless challenge. I think that there is potential with that design family which can be further developed.
Noticed interesting thing in several of these. Surface drag on outer shell pulling air around the fan shell and creating turbulence. This could increase energy consumption and decrease efficiency on some margin.
The bladeless is creating a pressure vacuum inside its bowl and would probably work better if it had little scoops at the inner end of its support spokes, to sort of break up the air's laminar flow and scoop air into the holes, though this might reduce the whole noiseless aspect.
The bladeless seemed to have an issue where it only disrupted airflow directly in front of the cone wich would cool off a smaller target and create a pseudo heat sink where a good chunk of the heat would disperse to this cooler area before getting sucked off or trying to heat up a heated area I wonder if there is a design that would maximize the radius or cooling effect along with positioning key heat throwing components closer than usual that would help performance with out hurting the other philosophies put into it or even if making it bigger would make a significant difference in the heat with out hurting its noise prospects
This editing style is way better! The music during the smoke test makes it really relaxing!
Awesome! Thanks for the video, cool to see my fan did well. I liked Matt's 2 blade design as well.
Can you make the simplest design that completely disregard noise? The motor consumes x amount of energy that translates to to x rpm depending on the angle of the blades. Figuring out the the angle out bring the optimal design to move air.
Nice designs and a note
The noise coming from the blade is due to the fin is slicing through the air causing this high noise
A fix for this is use a guide ring around the fins and the fins should not be straight it should be twisted type to increase air flow and reduce vibration and noise.
I wonder if the bladeless fan could be improved by having those supports that run between the circles be angled like fan blades to turn it into a series of concentric ducted fans? Might provide a little more push to get that air moving while also taking advantage of its centripetal force effect.
How about tilting the support structure of the bladeless fan so they become blades? You get a lot more air moved since you combine traditional fan design and remove the air loss to the sides.
On the bladeless fan, some protruding fins that can grab at the air and get it spinning will greatly help its performance. Right now, it looks like you are having a hard time getting the air spinning with the fan.
the concentric circles is an interesting concept. though it came in last, it seemed to work just enough.
I wonder if it has a spiral ridge in both sides of each dome, it can help propel the air flow better and improve efficiency without adding noise?
Smoke airflow test is people's favorite..."Smoke weed everyday 🎵"
It has been fun watching the production quality of your videos getting better with each season. Nice work Major Hardware! the crossfade fan things at the end is nice.
Hello there from Philippines im an aircraft technician only just sharing my thoughts to you.Just make huge fan blades but not to much for the motor and motor that run only low rpm but high torque,this reason you could minimize noise. In your experiment i think you are not looking for compression so you dont need hugh speed motor but just lower rpm with high torque in low rpm. But if your looking for some compression just make simple a CENTRIFUGAL COMPRESSOR or in EXTREME AXIAL COMPRESSOR with many stages of rotor blade and stator bladed