I think is is much more fun to get it as a file and print at home. As I am now printing with 100% PET plastic from bottles and I am always looking for some cool stuff to print, as my filament comes for free from the recyclable bin of my building.
Yes for part 2. I think it would be better if you added 2 more pieces to close the loop. It looks like there is a lot of air that would follow the path of least resistance and rise upward instead being fully entrained.
@slant3d Also, it would be interesting to make a third version with taller, open vertical blades(with the same area as the closed version) and compare the three versions to see if there is indeed any difference in airflow. Great video.
Yes, develop it, unless there's a patent: 1) make it a rabbit sculpture, or robot, or bug, or anything with antenna/ears that stick up... which are the vanes. Also, in any design, it would be better if the vanes didn't start going straight up right at the base but had some intermediary shape. Or, make it a city- scape that happens to have 2 vane-shaped towers. Lots of fun sculpting options that would entirely hide that it was a fan. 2) add LED lighting that shines through various parts. Make it a desk lamp/fan. Go really fancy and make it one of those back-light 3D printed pictures... can't remember the name. Let people upload the picture they want. Automate the production of *personalized* lamp/fans. 3) make it a solder station with fume extractor. Much wider table in front, much lower profile. 4) in general, a desktop/shelf model with a much, much thinner base would be good. 5) add a water mister for cooling. Tank on the top, gravity drip feed into the vanes. Yes, leverage all that 3D printing advantage for tiny channels that distribute the water inside the vanes. Maybe funnel any excess water out to the top of the base where it can pool and evaporate or get wiped off. *But, a question:* Does it need a high-velocity fan to work? Or, put the opposite way, can a PC case fan move enough air to do anything useful? Mostly, thinking about noise. And, that brings up another video topic for you. Can you add 3D printed internal structures that dampen noise? Like, rather than having to add foam or something for noise dampening, can you just print a structure that absorbs the sound energy?
@@slant3d Really, a personalized kid-finger-friendly desk lamp/fan/mister might sell well... for anyone that happened to have a big 3D print farm. Print in white and advertise it as something the kid can paint. Oh, and I bet with some experimenting it would be possible to have the right sized or shaped water channels that only flowed when the air was being forced by the nozzle. This actually sounds interesting... might try it myself.
. @4Fixerdave Low humidity areas like Arizona would probably really get a lot of benefit from the built-in mister. But other areas like the midwest states, not so much. Might be good to have a humidity sensor built in. But then you would need a microcontroller and etc., etc. But it's fun to think about all the possabilitys
@@slant3d Those pumps are hot garbage. Yes, they move a lot of air but are prone to overheating and feature probably the worst brushless motors cents can buy.
That's really cool. I'm not skilled enough to try and make something like this myself right now, but I'm interested enough to write it down for when I do have the ability to make a prototype!
This is a great idea! It is also interesting to measure the volume of air that is pumped by this "dyson" fan with an anemometer and compare it with the volume of air that only one fan produces, without aerodynamic wings.
Now this is a really cool one. Takes a product that was innovative but limited by its manufacturing process and breaks it down to something much more versatile, flexible, and more suited to mass production
@@slant3d But do the airfoils have to be formed into a circle or oval, so they meet together (e.g., the one you made here is really just two straight ones)?
Very cool to see this type of thing! With the lower costs, it would be neat to see sort of novelty designs and ideas on something like this added to give it a WOW factor. Imagine this being used with a little nature or fantasy design to bring function to some unique and special decor.
I think a open source model for the community will be a great contribution maybe a cooperation with other influencer that design the electronics. something that can work with DC and Batteries will be awesome.
Yes. In a nutshell, the fan in the base has smaller blades that have to spin faster. However, if you went with a UFO design, then the story might change. You still need to deal with an enclosure that restricts airflow though.
I would pay money for STLs for this fan. And if Dyson finally notices and tries to harsh the buzz, the files can be tragically "leaked" by a "hacker" to torrent sites and etc
Dyson fans are less efficient than regular propeller fans which are the most efficient and the least loud. Turns out that restricting air flow that you generate with fans hurts efficiency.
You look a little too comfortable in the wig...I vote yes to continue the deep dive into blade-less fans. I started looking at this a few years ago and pretty much gave up due to the complexities with controlling air flow.
1:40. yes. yes i DO have an old fan with metal blades from 1950, and its run almost 24/7 for the last three years after pulling it from the cupboard, after the dyson fan TRIED KILLING ME IN MY SLEEP! i woke to that acrid smell of burnt electronics and plastic... the heater had turned itself on full blast, and melted everything before blowing the breaker...
Is it not too big for a regular printer ? Could it be printed in 2 pieces, then clipsed together? (Or make the separation at the top of the cylinder and design the separation in a way that could be screwed together 😁)
Brilliant product prototype and video. Definitely do a Part 2. I could see including a multicolor LED (or 2) on the base between the blade wings to add a custom ambiance. A piece of plexiglas, or a semi translucent topper over the wings would increase efficiency and help complete the looks of the design. This topper, could also be a customization feature. It doesn't have to be an arc, it could be a cylinder, a small display shelf, or with extensions, a lamp shade.
Time to make a giant dyson fan for my garage. I wonder how far you could push the proportions of this. Besides all of that, Would you possibly Be interested in a collaboration? I have a 3d printed arcade idea thats badass.
Would be great to build a small version of this with a Noctua fan in the base. I imagine that would need some holes for air intake and adjustments for the internal air channelling but could be a great use of some spare computer fans.
Super cool and great hair for this one lol! Did you apply that sandblast texture in cad or after in the slicer? Fairly new to this channel so was also wondering if you did tutorials on aspects like that?
Do part 2, and invest in a 120V axial industrial fan rather than an air pump. You should get a much higher airflow using a 12 to 20 dollar fan which has the same size and shape as most computer fans (120mm) but with a thicker profile of 35mm to 50mm versus 15 to 20mm for the PC fan counterpart. Then, add a fuse/breaker and an off the shelf dimmer switch sold for lighting. This should give you speed control for cheap. For the hardware BOM, it should be in the $30 price (not including any bulk discounts or shipping in from over seas) range while providing much better flow than Dyson. To finish off the top, don't get too elaborate, but stick with a functional piece. Maybe it could be printed separate and snapped into place. I do may facets of R&D for a living, so let me know if you want help with the design. I can run a basic computational fluid dynamics simulation to help you get a more refined design in a very short time.
Can this design be suitably adapted for a gaming PC? Cooling and airflow are always concerns, and a ducted version for ATX sized systems would be killer...
Just wondering ... Doesn't Dyson have any of this patented? That could be a serious hampering factor for mass production, unless you're in China of course ...
Next Version - Instead of the Dyson oval with a domed arch, have an arched spire on top with an overhang that is conducive to 3D printing without supports... and iterate a few times on the internal duct to create uniform air injection along the length of the duct.
cool vid! to your point of making the air flow more efficient, you can use Fusion 360 Simulation to test your design iterations. Can't wait to see Part 2.
I actually printed about 400mm diameter cicle with Dyson's wing profile, it has 110mm inlet. But I wasnt able to find motor powerfull enough to produce high pressure airflow inside that ring so it was very low efficient. Tried examble large stove / hoova motor.
I think most epic thing in these dyson fans aint just that "venturi nozzle" style outlet.. but that extremely good power / noise -ratio motor which makes tiny turbine produce high flow with good pressure
i hope you don't start the part 2 right now..... you could use inline fan duct? inline duct fan? its working more silent, and also more energy efficient, also still have enough air pressure... 150w for desk fan its too much energy... also noise from common air pump....
is it more efficient though? i cannot wrap my head around that making more obstructions for the airflow somehow would make it more efficient at blowing air. otherwise why wouldn't helicopters or aircraft employ this design..
Around 35 % less efficient than classic fans. On flying staff, like helicopters and/or aircraft, it would be much much less efficient, on top of all the difficulties of directing the air flow. To see a proof of the last it is enough to observe how this "bladeless" (with blades hidden in the base) fan would behave when some wind is present - be it perpendicular or be it frontal (against).
How well does this kind of design scale? I wonder if you could use this kind of "bladeless" design in, for example, a part cooling fan on your 3d printer. Or maybe as an air intake in a pc case.
So how is this $25? Is that just the fan or is filament included? Guessing machine time is left out if the equation. If doing a part 2, use an anemometer in front of the fan to see if it is actually sucking other air through.
I have cheap air purifier (one that looks like a pill and you place it in the room and turn on), I don't have very high hopes for cleaning the air beyond removing dust, but it has nice airflow. The issue is, the airflow is directed upwards, so we can't use it for cooling. But if I would have adapter like this it could be a great fan too! The only issue is that offgassing from the plastic could defeat the purpose of air purifier.
You have to design the airfoils so that the boundary layer does not seperate from "wing" and that boundary layer than entrains other air to flow through them. It is the only way to make this type of bladeless fan
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Who Votes for a Part 2 Video and a final design that can be purchased both as files and as an actual fan
I think is is much more fun to get it as a file and print at home. As I am now printing with 100% PET plastic from bottles and I am always looking for some cool stuff to print, as my filament comes for free from the recyclable bin of my building.
Do it!
Followed by a Part 3 about the patent infringement lawsuit.
I don't think Dyson will allow you to sell the patented design😅
I'm in, definitely get Part 2 going. Then part 3 can be aesthetics.
Yes for part 2. I think it would be better if you added 2 more pieces to close the loop. It looks like there is a lot of air that would follow the path of least resistance and rise upward instead being fully entrained.
We would love to do a part two. Yes an upper arch would likely be added
@slant3d Also, it would be interesting to make a third version with taller, open vertical blades(with the same area as the closed version) and compare the three versions to see if there is indeed any difference in airflow. Great video.
I'd love to see a part 2 as well I think your videos are extremely informative.
Yes, develop it, unless there's a patent:
1) make it a rabbit sculpture, or robot, or bug, or anything with antenna/ears that stick up... which are the vanes. Also, in any design, it would be better if the vanes didn't start going straight up right at the base but had some intermediary shape. Or, make it a city- scape that happens to have 2 vane-shaped towers. Lots of fun sculpting options that would entirely hide that it was a fan.
2) add LED lighting that shines through various parts. Make it a desk lamp/fan. Go really fancy and make it one of those back-light 3D printed pictures... can't remember the name. Let people upload the picture they want. Automate the production of *personalized* lamp/fans.
3) make it a solder station with fume extractor. Much wider table in front, much lower profile.
4) in general, a desktop/shelf model with a much, much thinner base would be good.
5) add a water mister for cooling. Tank on the top, gravity drip feed into the vanes. Yes, leverage all that 3D printing advantage for tiny channels that distribute the water inside the vanes. Maybe funnel any excess water out to the top of the base where it can pool and evaporate or get wiped off.
*But, a question:* Does it need a high-velocity fan to work? Or, put the opposite way, can a PC case fan move enough air to do anything useful? Mostly, thinking about noise.
And, that brings up another video topic for you. Can you add 3D printed internal structures that dampen noise? Like, rather than having to add foam or something for noise dampening, can you just print a structure that absorbs the sound energy?
Interesting Ideas
@@slant3d Really, a personalized kid-finger-friendly desk lamp/fan/mister might sell well... for anyone that happened to have a big 3D print farm. Print in white and advertise it as something the kid can paint.
Oh, and I bet with some experimenting it would be possible to have the right sized or shaped water channels that only flowed when the air was being forced by the nozzle. This actually sounds interesting... might try it myself.
. @4Fixerdave Low humidity areas like Arizona would probably really get a lot of benefit from the built-in mister. But other areas like the midwest states, not so much. Might be good to have a humidity sensor built in. But then you would need a microcontroller and etc., etc. But it's fun to think about all the possabilitys
Would love a part 2 if its for a more low noise fan. i remember that type of fan used to be VERY loud!
Since it is burried inside it is not bad
@@slant3d Those pumps are hot garbage. Yes, they move a lot of air but are prone to overheating and feature probably the worst brushless motors cents can buy.
Can’t help laughing at the hair and how often you’re adjusting it haha
Gabe is normally bald
That's really cool. I'm not skilled enough to try and make something like this myself right now, but I'm interested enough to write it down for when I do have the ability to make a prototype!
But what is more amazing is that that prototype can serve as the mass production model. You could upload it and start making thousands
This is a great idea! It is also interesting to measure the volume of air that is pumped by this "dyson" fan with an anemometer and compare it with the volume of air that only one fan produces, without aerodynamic wings.
That's when you find out that Dyson just has good marketing, normal fans are more efficient and quiet with moving air.
The long hair and hair flicks -so glamorous. 3D printing, so hot right now.
Easy tiger
Now this is a really cool one. Takes a product that was innovative but limited by its manufacturing process and breaks it down to something much more versatile, flexible, and more suited to mass production
Yes please, do the part 2! I would love to see that, I'm learning so much about designing for 3D printing from your videos
Thanks. Should we bring the hair back too?
Lol maybe just for "fan" related content ahahah @@slant3d
It would be fun to see a part 2. It would be interesting how well to know the fan would work if the vanes were a different shape than oval or round.
They have to be an airfoil to be functional
@@slant3d But do the airfoils have to be formed into a circle or oval, so they meet together (e.g., the one you made here is really just two straight ones)?
This might make a good kick starter
I appreciate the commitment to the wig.
Thanks
Yes!! All deep dive engineering data and info is always great and you are exceptional at teaching it. Bring it all on!! 💪🇺🇲
Very cool to see this type of thing! With the lower costs, it would be neat to see sort of novelty designs and ideas on something like this added to give it a WOW factor. Imagine this being used with a little nature or fantasy design to bring function to some unique and special decor.
Wow! Hair transplants have really gotten impressive! What a time to be alive!
No doubt
I think a open source model for the community will be a great contribution maybe a cooperation with other influencer that design the electronics. something that can work with DC and Batteries will be awesome.
Yes defiantly do a part 2!
I love the Idea, so please do part 2! Engineering rocks ❤
I like your commitment to the bit with the wig, even down to pushing the hair out of your face too!
Amazing idea
Go balls deep on the industrial design! Add bevels and fillets and sensual 3D curves, arches, and some air intake filter holes!😀
Sounds fun
This seems like a good idea for nozzle cooling shroud. I have no clue about fluid dynamics but it might be a good reason to look into it.
Great job. Yes part 2. Add the arch but make it entrain too. Seems the motor needs more cooling. Are there inverter motors?
The best part is you naturally moving your hair out of the way.
Pleaase continue!
Thanks
I would buy this! Or the final STL.
Cool project and awesome explanations :)
You should keep the wig. It fits you.
Super cool concept! Would love to see how it can evolve!
We really want to do part two. Then Gabe can keep the hair too!
She’s much hotter than the other dude
arent these style fans less effiecent than the classic (but decent ones) fans? in terms of noise and output?
Yes. In a nutshell, the fan in the base has smaller blades that have to spin faster. However, if you went with a UFO design, then the story might change. You still need to deal with an enclosure that restricts airflow though.
Around 35 % less efficient than classic.
Hell yes to part 2. I'd purchase the models and get my own engineering knowledge to it, to finally replicate the original without spending hundreds.
I would pay money for STLs for this fan. And if Dyson finally notices and tries to harsh the buzz, the files can be tragically "leaked" by a "hacker" to torrent sites and etc
Thumbs up instantly for the wig
Cool piece of reverse engineering. I'd definitely love to see part 2!
Neither your's nor Dyson's are bladeless.
And are much less efficient in terms of watts and in terms of dollars.
Also what about an actual demonstration of your fan? I call bs
Dyson fans are less efficient than regular propeller fans which are the most efficient and the least loud. Turns out that restricting air flow that you generate with fans hurts efficiency.
Incorrect
@@slant3d well actual experimental data says otherwise.
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@@slant3d Around 35 % less efficient than classic fans. It is physics. Anyway the efficiency loss has been measured.
You look a little too comfortable in the wig...I vote yes to continue the deep dive into blade-less fans. I started looking at this a few years ago and pretty much gave up due to the complexities with controlling air flow.
Part 2 likely
1:40.
yes. yes i DO have an old fan with metal blades from 1950, and its run almost 24/7 for the last three years after pulling it from the cupboard, after the dyson fan TRIED KILLING ME IN MY SLEEP!
i woke to that acrid smell of burnt electronics and plastic... the heater had turned itself on full blast, and melted everything before blowing the breaker...
How long did it took to print this big part and put the rest of the fan together until it was ready to use?
Is it not too big for a regular printer ? Could it be printed in 2 pieces, then clipsed together? (Or make the separation at the top of the cylinder and design the separation in a way that could be screwed together 😁)
That would increase manufacturing cost in production
Brilliant product prototype and video.
Definitely do a Part 2. I could see including a multicolor LED (or 2) on the base between the blade wings to add a custom ambiance. A piece of plexiglas, or a semi translucent topper over the wings would increase efficiency and help complete the looks of the design. This topper, could also be a customization feature. It doesn't have to be an arc, it could be a cylinder, a small display shelf, or with extensions, a lamp shade.
Stl would be nice
I noticed in a lot of ur videos you always do triangle in the field. Why is that?
Strongest. Most Robust
Time to make a giant dyson fan for my garage. I wonder how far you could push the proportions of this. Besides all of that, Would you possibly Be interested in a collaboration? I have a 3d printed arcade idea thats badass.
Entrainment does require something quite narrow.
Part 2... With an Afro!
Would be great to build a small version of this with a Noctua fan in the base. I imagine that would need some holes for air intake and adjustments for the internal air channelling but could be a great use of some spare computer fans.
That would be cool
correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't this kind of fan need a decent amount of pressure? i don't think noctua is optimized for that
think theres files for a desktop fan thing for noctua fans, its like a funnel that works well.
Damn, he learned English well, he scratches it...
Super cool and great hair for this one lol! Did you apply that sandblast texture in cad or after in the slicer? Fairly new to this channel so was also wondering if you did tutorials on aspects like that?
We run over textures a few other videos
That texture is called fuzzy skin and I think it's still under experimental in Cura
Do part 2, and invest in a 120V axial industrial fan rather than an air pump. You should get a much higher airflow using a 12 to 20 dollar fan which has the same size and shape as most computer fans (120mm) but with a thicker profile of 35mm to 50mm versus 15 to 20mm for the PC fan counterpart. Then, add a fuse/breaker and an off the shelf dimmer switch sold for lighting. This should give you speed control for cheap. For the hardware BOM, it should be in the $30 price (not including any bulk discounts or shipping in from over seas) range while providing much better flow than Dyson. To finish off the top, don't get too elaborate, but stick with a functional piece. Maybe it could be printed separate and snapped into place.
I do may facets of R&D for a living, so let me know if you want help with the design. I can run a basic computational fluid dynamics simulation to help you get a more refined design in a very short time.
Instant like for Gabe having to mess with his bangs for 10 min.
Can this design be suitably adapted for a gaming PC?
Cooling and airflow are always concerns, and a ducted version for ATX sized systems would be killer...
Just wondering ... Doesn't Dyson have any of this patented? That could be a serious hampering factor for mass production, unless you're in China of course ...
Loving the new Rachel haircut, it really suits you!
Vote yes for part 2 with development of the design and functionality and vote yes for available design for purchase to print.
Imagine this with built-in Bluetooth speaker cavity.
Would solve the need for weighting, as well.
I know he's thinking of putting on a top part, but I think it looks charming as it is. Very reminiscent of Memphis style
😂😂😂 man he is killing me with this wig, but I should have been subscribed. SUBSCRIBED!!!💯💯💯👍
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I would be careful.making any product with this idea as there are likely a lot of patents by Dyson covering some details of the design
for part 2 maybe try a more compact design that can be used for laptop cooling pad. basically less noise and higher rpm higher cooling
Would love a part 2
Next Version - Instead of the Dyson oval with a domed arch, have an arched spire on top with an overhang that is conducive to 3D printing without supports... and iterate a few times on the internal duct to create uniform air injection along the length of the duct.
How loud is it?
Same as any fan. Noise is set by the motor. Since it is buried in the base it can easily be soundproofed more.
cool vid! to your point of making the air flow more efficient, you can use Fusion 360 Simulation to test your design iterations. Can't wait to see Part 2.
Part 2 should be fun
Sweet design and love the hair bro! Very 80s metal.
I luv the hair. Wow love the show! Tina Turner wig and 3d cross section scan reverse engineer show steps to teach all the earth children and save us.
Please take the wig off next time, you swiping it away is driving me nuts.. 🤣🤣
I actually printed about 400mm diameter cicle with Dyson's wing profile, it has 110mm inlet. But I wasnt able to find motor powerfull enough to produce high pressure airflow inside that ring so it was very low efficient. Tried examble large stove / hoova motor.
I think most epic thing in these dyson fans aint just that "venturi nozzle" style outlet.. but that extremely good power / noise -ratio motor which makes tiny turbine produce high flow with good pressure
Yes, part 2 and part 3 where you make an actual product and sell the files for exampel
Massive kudos for doing this whole video with your glorious hairdo!
Part deux is a go!
Thanks
I wish I could have even a fraction of the commitment it took to keep up that wig bit through the entire video
Do a part 2.
And share the stl.
Vote Counted. We would love to expand on this.
please stay bald, that was disturbing as hell throu hole video.
The dome would probably make lower pressure more complete.
do you think you could 3d print a tool for bending copper pipe?
Your Canadian is showing... "Drayg" ;)
i hope you don't start the part 2 right now.....
you could use inline fan duct? inline duct fan? its working more silent, and also more energy efficient, also still have enough air pressure...
150w for desk fan its too much energy... also noise from common air pump....
Hence the part two
is it more efficient though?
i cannot wrap my head around that making more obstructions for the airflow somehow would make it more efficient at blowing air. otherwise why wouldn't helicopters or aircraft employ this design..
Around 35 % less efficient than classic fans.
On flying staff, like helicopters and/or aircraft, it would be much much less efficient, on top of all the difficulties of directing the air flow.
To see a proof of the last it is enough to observe how this "bladeless" (with blades hidden in the base) fan would behave when some wind is present - be it perpendicular or be it frontal (against).
How well does this kind of design scale? I wonder if you could use this kind of "bladeless" design in, for example, a part cooling fan on your 3d printer. Or maybe as an air intake in a pc case.
"Passed through a series of tubes"
So the air is passed through the Internet?
¯\_ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° _/¯
Yep
That wig really freaked me out.
Why? You have a fan, why make it less efficient by making it do the extra work of pushing air through the loop-de-loops?
Because it's "trendy", and because of clickbait.
So how is this $25? Is that just the fan or is filament included? Guessing machine time is left out if the equation.
If doing a part 2, use an anemometer in front of the fan to see if it is actually sucking other air through.
Yes the second video would go much deeper into the testing. This video was mainly to highly complex geometry and part consolidation in mass production
Geez, tame down your infill
why did oyu hide the playboy logo inside?
Awsome
Thanks
I have cheap air purifier (one that looks like a pill and you place it in the room and turn on), I don't have very high hopes for cleaning the air beyond removing dust, but it has nice airflow. The issue is, the airflow is directed upwards, so we can't use it for cooling. But if I would have adapter like this it could be a great fan too! The only issue is that offgassing from the plastic could defeat the purpose of air purifier.
An Alice band will do the job
Pure genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the only blameless fans that uses blades
Your Honor this fan is totally blameless
Airfoils are backwards you're creating turbulent flow not laminar
You have to design the airfoils so that the boundary layer does not seperate from "wing" and that boundary layer than entrains other air to flow through them. It is the only way to make this type of bladeless fan
Absolute interessted in Part 2! I would definitly Print one. Also wanna See how the final Version would Act compared to a dyson or a Standard Fan
I bet Dyson has a patent though 😂
Another excellent video.
Sure, do a part 2! I can't help but laugh with you stroking your "hair" out of your face, really funny!
Hmm. Needs more hexagons.
So......no CAD available?