Absolutely agree. The only drawback of muay thai is the stance, the center of gravity is concentrated on one leg at a time and its extremely susceptible to takedowns. The stance is a big part of muay thai striking. MMA almost has its own stance which draws from various different combat sports. If the athlete can adapt then they'll be deadly in that octagon.
a guy from my school was based in boxing and good boxer before transferring to mma. he even became European ufc champion. last time i checked he was doing bare knuckle boxing.
I would just love to see an mma event where boxing, Muay Thai, kick-boxing and wrestling is not allowed in. Just to see more different types of material arts combating each other. That would be awesome.
I think it’s less about a specific martial art and more about the basic technique that are required for mma. Basic punches, basic kicks, defending punches, defending kicks, getting someone to the ground, how to stay on your feet, getting to dominate positions on the ground and how to stand back up.
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In my opinion, if you learn how to do Muay Thai with a Karate or TKD stance, it'll reduce the chances of a successful takedown because you have at least one arm down and ready to react if the opponent tries charging at you for a takedown.
@@crusty2170 pfff that's not a weakness,thai fighters use that to be more comfortable with kicks and also to block elbows to head. Then try to takedown a thai boxer and you're going to get a knee strike in your mouth
Judos a great martiel art but requires alot of energy to do those throws and in mma they are gonna be hard to use but in actual self defense iudos one of the best for sure
his father has 0 takedowns so he cant even take the fight to the ground, and muay thai means 0 footwork, 0 head movement, 0 hands, and probably 0 southpaw skills@@qiyangloh6111
I agree to some point, but every person is different. So one needs to find the style thats most suitable for your body. Im always imagining it like a Chess game, the one who can see the whole picture and plan just one move more ahead is gonna win for sure, no matter their martial art. Love your videos though, your progress is good, probs for that. Im practicing Muay Thai and Kung fu. One is agressive and the other one calms my mind. Never forget, martial arts are not just about fighting. Its the way to master your body and your mind.
@2hypedreadzHonestly Wrestling is the best in general. Next BJJ, then a good striking art like Muay Thai or Kickboxing. Master those 3 then you’ll be set for MMA.
Sambo's motions are linear, while other martial arts' motions like Judo or BJJ are rather soft and circly. This does not mean that they are worse by any means, just that they are fundamentally different. It also stands true that Sambo is not "objectively better" than other grappling arts. Like Bruce Lee said: "there are no bad martial arts, only those who know how to fight and those who don't".
no matter what martial art you do it'll be different for everyone. my coach said the thing with fighting is it's like a fingerprint. everyone has one but it's not the same for everyone. you got your own styles.
I would have leaned more towards the Russian martial art Sambo just because in my opinion it’s the closest thing to MMA itself since it combines the three styles of strikes/striking, defending, and grappling 😅
One of the wildest guys I’ve ever met, was at my local MMA gym, he’s this 40 year old, 5’3 Chinese guy and the dude is a black belt in judo, a state champion in wrestling but his only striking training was in wing chun, and let me tell y’all, this mf could wreck your shit. I watched this dude chain punch a dude in the liver and then immediately step in between the guys legs and slam his shit into the ground.
Like seeing you kickin we r same lanky physique approx same age unfortunately cant kick properly since motorcycle crash right hip right shoulder r fuckd i can only keep boxing training but still can use elbows n knee without too much pain... Dont worry about muscle worry about your joints people!!
Everybody has there favorite but I would say wrestling is the best base for martial arts because it builds a strong mentality and gives you the ground game and grappling advantage along with the cardio advantage.
Chang Hung Taekwondo (prolly butchered the name) is probably not the best for competitive sparring like Muy Thai, it is probably one of the most lethal martial arts for self defense, as it was literally the main technique South Koreans used to kill soldiers in the Korean War because they didn't have enough ammo to kill soldiers. We are taught to deflect bayonets, knives, head smashes, all sorts of fun stuff lol
I love training Muay Thai, however, the stance is too narrow for MMA, it’s just a free takedown for the other person. If you’re purely a Muay Thai fighter, and you want to do MMA, adopt a wider stance.
The best martial art for MMA is, put simply, MMA. It is a style of its own, and you really gotta train that, not 2 distinct martial arts like MT and BJJ
I’d have to say wrestling is best cause if you’re able to get a takedown on a guy in a wrestling stance expecting takedowns, then getting a takedown on a guy in an upright mma stance who’s expecting strikes will be waaaay easier. Next thing they know you’re on top doing a ground and pound. I’m better at both boxing and bjj than I am at wrestling, but when I spar mma I always rely on the wrestling the most. That in and of itself says a lot about the power of wrestling in mma.
@@mrgamelegion263brown4 the best working judo techniques work in no gi like o goshi harai goshi o uchi gake most leg techniques should work only the shoulder throws are a risk
Wrestling is usually the one you need the most. You can't get by as a bjj practitioner without it, you can't get by as a striker without it, but you can get by just being a wrestler except at the highest levels and even then Khabib made it work in the hardest weight class.
With the current rules, wrestling is slightly favored over BJJ. You spend too much time inactive on the ground they make you stand up. Wrestling favours a quick finish and thus benefits more in MMA.
San Shou, Bokator, Pradal Saray, Musti-Yuddha Muay Thai, Lethwei and Sanda are all very similar. The other arts that I mentioned are basically half striking and half wrestling. If you look at old Indian, Khmer, Thai and Chinese art depicting fighting, you will see them employing Kicks, knees, punches, elbows, clinches and wrestling.
That’s right but you can’t put every martial art on the same level, some are more effective for MMA because more suited for fighting. You can’t compare Muay thai with Kung fu bro… let’s see an Mma fight between an expert of thai and an expert of kung fu without kickboxing base, no doubt about the end
BJJ has become a MUST HAVE in nowadays MMA, if you lack ground work and wrestling expertise, then you are basically screwed if the fight is taken to the ground
@@ranggaisanjaya Yeah its kinda useless if you are fighting against multiple opponents but if you know judo and bjj + how to throw a jab, then you can beat anyone lol
BJJ and Wrestling are important but if you dont know Muay thai or Boxing, you get KO right after the right bell. So Muay thai and Boxing are even more important.
For everybody in the comments: Kickboxing is not similar to Muay Thai. Kickboxing was literally made because Muay Thai guys got destroyed by Kyokushin fighters but many Kyokushin fighter also got destroyed by Muay Thai guys, And western boxing was getting popular and it is effective so the japanese kyokushin fighters combined it with western boxing so kickboxing is literally Boxing, and Karate, not Muay Thai. Kickboxing is equally as good as Muay Thai, Kickboxing has Boxing Footwork, Head movement, Dodges, and punches, while having Karate kicks, some punches, and more kicks thats effective enough. So learn Kickboxing, and Muay Thai together then do BJJ, Wrestling, and Judo
Thai boxer still needs to learn grappling defense at the very least. Those knees are a lot less risky in a more guaranteed dominate position too. Sometimes the grappler knows the kick/knee is coming, and being already on one leg makes things easier for them. I like uppercuts lately for countering grapplers tbh.
most don't know because they don't commonly see it but Muay Thai does allow several throws, slams grabbing arms and other body parts ECT. just no submissions or literal "ground fighting" . but definitely includes "grappling". but I grant you many Thai fighters do not use it even tho they are allowed to.
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 yeah and most karate schools practice takedowns and holds too, but how good are karate guys at grappling compared to kicking? right. same with most muay thai guys
@@typhoonic all depends like I said, actual traditional karate is generally very good. Others not so much unless the individual just happens to be good at it.
@@typhoonic and although yes they do practice and train and use a lot of kicks , practically speaking in real life karate would mainly very selectively use the most practical ones in the optimal situations. Outside of that they would use short range striking and various joint manipulation, throws, a lot of striking weak points of the body with hard points of yours ect
@@typhoonic very powerful footwork and balance, efficient manipulation of forces , applying force in opposing directions ECT lots great concepts which apply very well to grappling/defending against it
There is a example of this working in the ufc, Charles Olivera stands in a Muay Thai stance for better striking, if he gets taken down he can use his world class grappling. But who is gonna take Charles down??
Respectfully I disagree. Well, I don’t disagree, you’re right but I think there’s a better mix. As a long time striker I never wanted to admit it but grappling is king. We are wrestling animals. If you’re able, Combat Sambo and Judo are a great mix. If you can’t handle that intensity (most probably reading this) and/or don’t have Sambo near you (most probably reading this) learn wrestling then sprinkle some BJJ on top after you’ve gotten decent with wrestling. If you’re looking to get in super even less rough and you’re maybe out of shape maybe start BJJ first then wrestling, but wrestling first then BJJ is better. Guaranteed a Thai fighter or any striking art would fail against a grappler at least 6/10 times although I really think perhaps 7-8/10 times.
@@Gianno_ he probably thinks the word "art" in martial arts means karate style kata. Sambo is a soviet fighting system so I see why he thought it's not a martial art.
Agree Although I like Kyokushin(or Karate in general) more The low knife stance helps to defend against takedowns and in my opinion mixing boxing with Karate seems a good match too(Karate for kicks and boxing for punches and you can switch stances between the martial arts or choose a kickboxing stance) For striking I would say: 1. Muay Thai 2. Kickboxing (especially dutch one) 3.Karate Ps: mixing Taekwondo kicks and boxing punches seems a good fit too
lol what? Maybe you've had some unfortunate experiences but in terms of ego and arrogance, Muay Thai is pretty low. Sure, they can be extremely prideful but still remain humble. It's always the boxing or TKD guys in my experience
I feel like the only reason why some people doing muay thai have huge egos is because it is considered (most of the time) the best solo martial art, so they think that they are better than others at times.
Yeah sometimes the Muay Thai comments do get a bit annoying lol, nothing against the style but some of the practitioners seem to think no other style can touch them
The downside is good strikers especially ones from Muay Thai (Imo the best stand-up game in MMA) struggle with wrestling and BJJ because stand up fighters struggle to develop good grappling and the stance etc just don't work well.. they invite takedowns. However, a dude with amazing wrestling generally learn good striking. But, a striker that learns good BJJ or Wrestling (Or both) tend to become absolute beasts.
@@iROChakristraight up wrong. Jon jones, DC, Henry cejudo, Mighty Mouse, Kamaru Usman, Dominick Cruz, Aljo, the list goes on. The amount of UFC champions who wrestled growing up dwarf any other martial arts in terms of a BASE art. Wrestling breeds a toughness and a grit that separates the best of the best at the top. So many wrestlers don’t even use their wrestling (Gaethje, Porier, Dillashaw, Colby Covington) because they became elite strikers AFTER a lifetime of wrestling. Wrestling is the BEST BASE for mma and the proof is in your face screaming at you in the form of UFC champions
@@RJ-gk4rt Cant be any more wrong. No one even uses a grappling stance in ONE and UFC. No grappler is good enough to go fight a MMA dude either in the entire fighting history. We only need strikers who deem good enough to try to fight MMA dudes. Again, striking beats grappling all the time and striking is a basic foundation to every fighter, grappling is just an add on.
Wrestling is better most of the time, because bjj is meant to be effective on large opponents and in MMA the weight is usually similar between the fighters
Kick boxing thai boxing boxing Karate these are the martial arts u can use in mma where u can use your kicks ,punches,knees and elbows and if i say boxing don't worry u have your 100kgs hands with a lot of footworks so still it will be the best mui thai isn't only that gives you a good base so yeah
You people are like comic book nerds comparing fighting styles. No one style is going to give you a complete arsenal and pitting different styles is childish. Real life is not tekken.
@@miguelortega388 yeah wrestling is great, especially the mindset and work ethic but its not fair to say they destroy muay thai or other combat forms. Look at how fighters like Jose aldo, Renan Barao (both muay thai fighters) and Robert whittaker completely neutralized wrestling. You dont need to put down other martial arts to lift up wrestling
karate has ground game it was just removed when it was being modernised like if you take a bit of traditional karate shit bout to go down in the octagon
Le Karate est plus rapide, plus fort, plus dynamique que la Muay Thaï. Plus encore, le Sambo combat ou le Kudo sont plus complets. Le Karate a beaucoup de coups safe comme ceux avec le talon ou aux genoux hérités de la boxe française. Le problème de la Muay Thaï est qu'il faut plus faire mal à l'autre qu'il ne vous fait mal et plus que vous vous faites mal pour lui faire mal. Il y a des compétitions de Muay Boran qui s'amorcent en Thaïlande et à terme vous verrez que c'est mieux. Enfin, si vous voulez de l'efficacité faites carrément de la Lethwei 😅😉🙏
Problem with tkd is the fact that the kicks are all foot heavy. And feet are brittle, break easily, and don’t provide the same damage that a shin does.
Muai thai is a great martial art for mma. But.. i would still start with boxing or wrestling. For the footwork, stances and take down defense. Muai thai stance really doesnt match well with wrestling... just invites double leg take downs..
Muay thai (striking), Wrestling (take down), and BJJ (submission) has always been the most common and popular combination for MMA. Also it is true that Muay thai stance is bad for MMA, but so is Wrestling stance. Muay thai stance invites take downs whereas Wrestling stance invites KOs (Thats why no one ever uses Wrestling stance in MMA). MMA needs its own stance to strike and defend take downs and it varies from fighters to fighters ie MMA stance is 75% striking and 25% grappling stance.
Strongly disagree. Most of the best strikers are boxers. Boxing teaches footwork defense and some other things that are under utilized in muay thai, I’d say learn boxing first then learn how to kick knee and elbow
I think BJJ is better over all wrestling is good for teaching that explosive & bare backed grappling techniques but it also leaves you really open to a bunch of different submission techniques that due to its lack of submissions aswell as the fact that you won't be able to get that same explosive ness without the shoes & because you can't win by pin in BJJ just like MMA it teaches you a better mindset on that regard especially when we take into count the no gi techniques BJJ is like the Muay Thai of grappling it just teaches you more in a more similar sport not to say that Wrestling & Boxing aren't valuable just that they are the best bases in comparison also as a side note while I think they are the best bases there is a reason why Boxing & Wrestling are still in the conversation because you can't just bring in Muay Thai & BJJ because even though they are much more similar they aren't the same & that little tiny difference will get you absolutely bodied in the end which is why adding that Boxing & Wrestling emphasis into your game is absolutely necessary to become a great Mixed Martial Artist
Of course you think Muay Thai because you only do striking. It has been proven time and time again that wrestling is by far the superior martial art for modern mma
Agree, kickboxing is also quite good but doesn’t cover as much as Muay Thai.
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kickboxing is same as muay thai but it's elbow and knee free
@@Tatim31well then it ain’t the same is it 😂
@@craigconey9971 you can say that its cheap copy from muay thai
I would say Sambo is a pretty good martial art for mma
Absolutely agree. The only drawback of muay thai is the stance, the center of gravity is concentrated on one leg at a time and its extremely susceptible to takedowns. The stance is a big part of muay thai striking.
MMA almost has its own stance which draws from various different combat sports. If the athlete can adapt then they'll be deadly in that octagon.
a guy from my school was based in boxing and good boxer before transferring to mma. he even became European ufc champion. last time i checked he was doing bare knuckle boxing.
Boxing+Taekwondo🥶🥵
I would just love to see an mma event where boxing, Muay Thai, kick-boxing and wrestling is not allowed in. Just to see more different types of material arts combating each other. That would be awesome.
Touched my heart even tho I stopped muay thai for WuShu
muaythai with footwork might do.
K1 + catch wrestling=elite combo
The BEST Mix: Boxing a lot, Muay Thai, Judo and Sambo. ``if Judo and Sambo were easy it would be called Bjj’’
I think it’s less about a specific martial art and more about the basic technique that are required for mma. Basic punches, basic kicks, defending punches, defending kicks, getting someone to the ground, how to stay on your feet, getting to dominate positions on the ground and how to stand back up.
Muay Thai crawled so MMA could fly Mach 15
Muay thai and grappling or wrestling and taekwondo
Sambo no question old school soviet wrestling is no joke
Muay Thai is the best but it’s vulnerable to BJJ
I'm really glad brazilian jiu jitsu is known as bjj and not bj.
"He's really experienced in bj. He got on his knees and finished me in seconds"
Lmaoooo "get yourself a girl who is experienced at bj"
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Tbh the way some BJJ martial artists be acting, sometimes there ain’t much difference
I’ve always wanted a bj
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@@nathearn I think Wing Chun martial arts but I bet I'm wrong
@@justingary5322nah wing Chun isn't really good
Bjj
@@justingary5322 wing chun got disrespect
That hook kick was exceptional
Looked goofy ah
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pretty useless... unless your lookin for views and embraces from casuals.
@@bozmanz Innovate or die my friend.
That muay thai stance though just invites takedowns
Thats why most people dont use the muay thai stance in mma
Are you kidding?
In my opinion, if you learn how to do Muay Thai with a Karate or TKD stance, it'll reduce the chances of a successful takedown because you have at least one arm down and ready to react if the opponent tries charging at you for a takedown.
@@crusty2170 pfff that's not a weakness,thai fighters use that to be more comfortable with kicks and also to block elbows to head. Then try to takedown a thai boxer and you're going to get a knee strike in your mouth
@@FBEAR05 karate and tkd stances arent any better. They eat singles and leg kicks
Sanda and Judo are so underrated as base tbh
Judos a great martiel art but requires alot of energy to do those throws and in mma they are gonna be hard to use but in actual self defense iudos one of the best for sure
Yessss, while judo is very difficult to use in mma, Sanda is absolutely amazing in mma as it is basically kickboxing plus wrestling
They are just not as mainstream... But I agree, great base for mma
@@Darrenlinkonjudo get "simple" moves also. Like leg sweeps, and leg trips.
@JIUJITSUMAN22 nut trying to use them on mma fighters are alot harder than doing it on a regular people
Muay Thai with BJJ you're practically invincible
My father trains BJJ / Muay Thai, he got me into doing Muay Thai and it's great!
curiously, the same happened to me, but I do Muay Thai AND BJJ
Your father is practically unstoppable
yeah basically, he weighs 105 kg and he's 180 cm (5'11, 230 lbs)@@qiyangloh6111
his father has 0 takedowns so he cant even take the fight to the ground, and muay thai means 0 footwork, 0 head movement, 0 hands, and probably 0 southpaw skills@@qiyangloh6111
@@numsei-9291 Você é praticamente um semi-deus da luta 😂
though muay thai has more variety the square stance invites takedowns. Thats why I would prefer kickboxing for MMA
I agree to some point, but every person is different. So one needs to find the style thats most suitable for your body. Im always imagining it like a Chess game, the one who can see the whole picture and plan just one move more ahead is gonna win for sure, no matter their martial art.
Love your videos though, your progress is good, probs for that. Im practicing Muay Thai and Kung fu. One is agressive and the other one calms my mind. Never forget, martial arts are not just about fighting. Its the way to master your body and your mind.
If you're an MMA fighter you need to be good at all of them
@2hypedreadz everyone can be good at anything if they work hard
need? all of them? no. you just need to know more than one martial art and you're classified as an MMA fighter.
either be good at everything or be good at avoiding the things youre not good at (like jose aldo, Izzy or even belal mohammed)
@2hypedreadzHonestly Wrestling is the best in general. Next BJJ, then a good striking art like Muay Thai or Kickboxing. Master those 3 then you’ll be set for MMA.
You should just use what you find easiest otherwise you are going to start a dojo civil war
It’s definitely sambo. Decentish striking with great takedowns and a developed enough ground game
Sambo's motions are linear, while other martial arts' motions like Judo or BJJ are rather soft and circly. This does not mean that they are worse by any means, just that they are fundamentally different. It also stands true that Sambo is not "objectively better" than other grappling arts.
Like Bruce Lee said: "there are no bad martial arts, only those who know how to fight and those who don't".
In theory it should be amazing we just haven’t seen a lot of greats using it at least that I know of
@@theholycarp8044 I belive that khabib does sambo, but I may be wrong
Pankration is kinda the same thing
@@theholycarp8044 khabib and emelianenko immediately make "we haven't seen" sound a little silly 😂
Kickboxing / muy Thai with some wrestling/sambo or ju jitsu and you’ll have a solid base .
I personally would choose jiu jitsu and muay thai
"Some wrestling " People really dont understand it takes years to be "decent" at wrestling
Sambo IS best
@@rouxypouxy9245 we are talking about building a solid foundation nobody said anything about being “good” stop being a douchebag
Totaly agreed! don’t forget that Muay thai has one of the craziest conditioning along the martialarts aswell.
lot of people who dont reach their final peak of athleticism by under recovering.
No Wrestling
no matter what martial art you do it'll be different for everyone. my coach said the thing with fighting is it's like a fingerprint. everyone has one but it's not the same for everyone. you got your own styles.
Yeah but some martial arts doesn't work.
🤣I love that! My top three is:
1 Muay Thai
2 Kickboxing
3 BJJ
I would have leaned more towards the Russian martial art Sambo just because in my opinion it’s the closest thing to MMA itself since it combines the three styles of strikes/striking, defending, and grappling 😅
Sambo striking is garbage though
@@realtruth1448 That's why some of the Sambo Athlete i met also trained Boxing or Kickboxing
One of the wildest guys I’ve ever met, was at my local MMA gym, he’s this 40 year old, 5’3 Chinese guy and the dude is a black belt in judo, a state champion in wrestling but his only striking training was in wing chun, and let me tell y’all, this mf could wreck your shit. I watched this dude chain punch a dude in the liver and then immediately step in between the guys legs and slam his shit into the ground.
Wrestling and Muay Thai is by far the deadliest combo. Imagine if Edson Barboza had amazing wrestling, he’d be champion
Like seeing you kickin we r same lanky physique approx same age unfortunately cant kick properly since motorcycle crash right hip right shoulder r fuckd i can only keep boxing training but still can use elbows n knee without too much pain... Dont worry about muscle worry about your joints people!!
this stay flexy guy is great foe stretching vida
As someone who does wrestling and BJJ, you are much better off pairing the two rather than just having 1.
I would say Sambo
Everybody has there favorite but I would say wrestling is the best base for martial arts because it builds a strong mentality and gives you the ground game and grappling advantage along with the cardio advantage.
Chang Hung Taekwondo (prolly butchered the name) is probably not the best for competitive sparring like Muy Thai, it is probably one of the most lethal martial arts for self defense, as it was literally the main technique South Koreans used to kill soldiers in the Korean War because they didn't have enough ammo to kill soldiers. We are taught to deflect bayonets, knives, head smashes, all sorts of fun stuff lol
For striking maybe but there are no muqy thai ufc fighters k1 kickboxing is better striking for mma
I love training Muay Thai, however, the stance is too narrow for MMA, it’s just a free takedown for the other person.
If you’re purely a Muay Thai fighter, and you want to do MMA, adopt a wider stance.
Sanda for me. They combine striking into take downs so well.
I agree with that, I think for most people though Karate is accessible in most places and it still puts you well ahead of the average person
The best martial art for MMA is, put simply, MMA. It is a style of its own, and you really gotta train that, not 2 distinct martial arts like MT and BJJ
I’d have to say wrestling is best cause if you’re able to get a takedown on a guy in a wrestling stance expecting takedowns, then getting a takedown on a guy in an upright mma stance who’s expecting strikes will be waaaay easier. Next thing they know you’re on top doing a ground and pound. I’m better at both boxing and bjj than I am at wrestling, but when I spar mma I always rely on the wrestling the most. That in and of itself says a lot about the power of wrestling in mma.
Said that to my friend earlier lmao, he destroyed me in wrestling, "I'm used to being able to kick them in the head first"
Ofc karate won't be in the list😢
Judo + kick boxing
A few judo techniques could work but in MMA there is no gi so there would be limitations
@@mrgamelegion263brown4 the best working judo techniques work in no gi like o goshi harai goshi o uchi gake most leg techniques should work only the shoulder throws are a risk
@@mrgamelegion263brown4there is a no gi version of most of the judo throws.
wrestling dominated most tbh
Wrestling
I will say karete and teakwando because karete fight hard and teakwando take long range and if you let them land a hit you are finished
Nat 🙌🦊
( I accidentally fell asleep while writing a comment yesterday and missed it 🥴😂 )
Added here , thanks Nat for the encouragement ❤️🐿
Haha no problem👊
Id say put as much time as you can into learning wrestling and then worry about learning striking
Wrestling is usually the one you need the most. You can't get by as a bjj practitioner without it, you can't get by as a striker without it, but you can get by just being a wrestler except at the highest levels and even then Khabib made it work in the hardest weight class.
Henry cejudo, Jon Jones, and Daniel Cormier agree
@@seanhickey1999 Even then every striker these days needs to have at the very least good defensive wrestling to succeed.
@@seanhickey1999Usman and Colby too
agreed fully
With the current rules, wrestling is slightly favored over BJJ. You spend too much time inactive on the ground they make you stand up. Wrestling favours a quick finish and thus benefits more in MMA.
San shou(Chinese kickboxing) is also a good one as it entails a wide variety of punches, elbows, knees, kicks, throws and takedowns
San Shou, Bokator, Pradal Saray, Musti-Yuddha Muay Thai, Lethwei and Sanda are all very similar. The other arts that I mentioned are basically half striking and half wrestling. If you look at old Indian, Khmer, Thai and Chinese art depicting fighting, you will see them employing Kicks, knees, punches, elbows, clinches and wrestling.
Yaw yan is the better mma/kickboxing based off arnis concepts and principles
Easily wrestling/ catch wrestling.
Catch wrestling or Judo? Which is better for self defense and to combine with my boxing
@@12shah74for self-Defense go with judo because u can throw and still stand ur ground + there are enough submissions for self-Defense
@@12shah74wrestling footwork complements boxing very well
There isn't a best, there's always a counter. It just depends on the situation
That’s right but you can’t put every martial art on the same level, some are more effective for MMA because more suited for fighting.
You can’t compare Muay thai with Kung fu bro… let’s see an Mma fight between an expert of thai and an expert of kung fu without kickboxing base, no doubt about the end
I disagree... kind of....
The best is what works for you.
Like whiskey, the only correct way to drink it is the way you like it.
BJJ has become a MUST HAVE in nowadays MMA, if you lack ground work and wrestling expertise, then you are basically screwed if the fight is taken to the ground
For real, people say BJJ is useless, well yes it's "kinda" Useless if you fight someone on the street, but in a ring, it's a must have
@@ranggaisanjaya ALL HAIL LELOUCH VI BRITANNIA
@@ranggaisanjaya Yeah its kinda useless if you are fighting against multiple opponents but if you know judo and bjj + how to throw a jab, then you can beat anyone lol
BJJ and Wrestling are important but if you dont know Muay thai or Boxing, you get KO right after the right bell. So Muay thai and Boxing are even more important.
For everybody in the comments: Kickboxing is not similar to Muay Thai. Kickboxing was literally made because Muay Thai guys got destroyed by Kyokushin fighters but many Kyokushin fighter also got destroyed by Muay Thai guys, And western boxing was getting popular and it is effective so the japanese kyokushin fighters combined it with western boxing so kickboxing is literally Boxing, and Karate, not Muay Thai. Kickboxing is equally as good as Muay Thai, Kickboxing has Boxing Footwork, Head movement, Dodges, and punches, while having Karate kicks, some punches, and more kicks thats effective enough. So learn Kickboxing, and Muay Thai together then do BJJ, Wrestling, and Judo
Don't listen to him
Go wrestle
Agreed. If you can wrestle and stay standing and have muay Thai you'll destroy anyone on the street and get through most amateur competition
Thai boxer still needs to learn grappling defense at the very least. Those knees are a lot less risky in a more guaranteed dominate position too. Sometimes the grappler knows the kick/knee is coming, and being already on one leg makes things easier for them. I like uppercuts lately for countering grapplers tbh.
most don't know because they don't commonly see it but Muay Thai does allow several throws, slams grabbing arms and other body parts ECT. just no submissions or literal "ground fighting" . but definitely includes "grappling". but I grant you many Thai fighters do not use it even tho they are allowed to.
@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812 yeah and most karate schools practice takedowns and holds too, but how good are karate guys at grappling compared to kicking? right. same with most muay thai guys
@@typhoonic all depends like I said, actual traditional karate is generally very good. Others not so much unless the individual just happens to be good at it.
@@typhoonic and although yes they do practice and train and use a lot of kicks , practically speaking in real life karate would mainly very selectively use the most practical ones in the optimal situations. Outside of that they would use short range striking and various joint manipulation, throws, a lot of striking weak points of the body with hard points of yours ect
@@typhoonic very powerful footwork and balance, efficient manipulation of forces , applying force in opposing directions ECT lots great concepts which apply very well to grappling/defending against it
That's why we see so many Muay Thai fighters dominating MMA...... Oh wait? 🤔
Me being proud because i have 5 years experience in Muay Thai 😂
Are you a beast?
My friends kick-boxing said they do ground game
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Absolutely agree. Love your channel.
There is a example of this working in the ufc, Charles Olivera stands in a Muay Thai stance for better striking, if he gets taken down he can use his world class grappling. But who is gonna take Charles down??
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I used to do kickboxing with wrestling till I tore my Achilles but it was a good combination though
Muay Thai + Wrestling = nastiest and quickest ground and pound guys... I've ever encountered doing MMA, and I'm more of a karate and jkd guy myself
@@typhoonic I heavily agree 💯
Would you agree that Mui Thai and kick boxing would be very close in effectiveness as you’d also pick up knees and elbows whilst training Mma as well
Sambo
I'd rather learn some Zambo and Dagestani wrestling 🤷🏽
I would say wrestling as it lets you choose wether you wanna stay on the feet or go to the ground
Respectfully I disagree. Well, I don’t disagree, you’re right but I think there’s a better mix.
As a long time striker I never wanted to admit it but grappling is king. We are wrestling animals.
If you’re able, Combat Sambo and Judo are a great mix. If you can’t handle that intensity (most probably reading this) and/or don’t have Sambo near you (most probably reading this) learn wrestling then sprinkle some BJJ on top after you’ve gotten decent with wrestling.
If you’re looking to get in super even less rough and you’re maybe out of shape maybe start BJJ first then wrestling, but wrestling first then BJJ is better.
Guaranteed a Thai fighter or any striking art would fail against a grappler at least 6/10 times although I really think perhaps 7-8/10 times.
Sambo is slept on, the ultimate martial art ngl
sambo isnt martial art
@@JanCzasami Enlighten me then, what is sambo?
@@Gianno_ he probably thinks the word "art" in martial arts means karate style kata. Sambo is a soviet fighting system so I see why he thought it's not a martial art.
Agree
Although I like Kyokushin(or Karate in general) more
The low knife stance helps to defend against takedowns and
in my opinion mixing boxing with Karate seems a good match too(Karate for kicks and boxing for punches and you can switch stances between the martial arts or choose a kickboxing stance)
For striking I would say:
1. Muay Thai
2. Kickboxing (especially dutch one)
3.Karate
Ps: mixing Taekwondo kicks and boxing punches seems a good fit too
I agree 🔥
Yeah, Muay Thai is a beast of a style. I'll admit it. I just can't stand their massive ego.
lol what? Maybe you've had some unfortunate experiences but in terms of ego and arrogance, Muay Thai is pretty low. Sure, they can be extremely prideful but still remain humble. It's always the
boxing or TKD guys in my experience
It's not the muay Thai practicioners with ego is these fricking wall cummers that never done a day in their life of muay Thai that have the ego
I feel like the only reason why some people doing muay thai have huge egos is because it is considered (most of the time) the best solo martial art, so they think that they are better than others at times.
Yeah sometimes the Muay Thai comments do get a bit annoying lol, nothing against the style but some of the practitioners seem to think no other style can touch them
The biggest ego I've seen is from wrestlers.
If I had to choose ONLY 2 I would pick: Combat sambo and muay thai
The downside is good strikers especially ones from Muay Thai (Imo the best stand-up game in MMA) struggle with wrestling and BJJ because stand up fighters struggle to develop good grappling and the stance etc just don't work well.. they invite takedowns. However, a dude with amazing wrestling generally learn good striking. But, a striker that learns good BJJ or Wrestling (Or both) tend to become absolute beasts.
This is correct. A striker who learns basic take down defense is usually more dangerous than a grappler who learns basic striking.
@@iROChakriMost strikers dont adapt well to wrestling, most wrestlers on the other hand adapt very well to striking
@@zaptor4894 This is true.
@@iROChakristraight up wrong. Jon jones, DC, Henry cejudo, Mighty Mouse, Kamaru Usman, Dominick Cruz, Aljo, the list goes on. The amount of UFC champions who wrestled growing up dwarf any other martial arts in terms of a BASE art. Wrestling breeds a toughness and a grit that separates the best of the best at the top. So many wrestlers don’t even use their wrestling (Gaethje, Porier, Dillashaw, Colby Covington) because they became elite strikers AFTER a lifetime of wrestling. Wrestling is the BEST BASE for mma and the proof is in your face screaming at you in the form of UFC champions
@@RJ-gk4rt Cant be any more wrong. No one even uses a grappling stance in ONE and UFC. No grappler is good enough to go fight a MMA dude either in the entire fighting history. We only need strikers who deem good enough to try to fight MMA dudes. Again, striking beats grappling all the time and striking is a basic foundation to every fighter, grappling is just an add on.
What about kick boxing + boxing + wrestling
Wrestling is better most of the time, because bjj is meant to be effective on large opponents and in MMA the weight is usually similar between the fighters
They both do well, plus therea only so many techniques that are usable agaisnt larger opponents
@Thwankmank yeah I know, both are good, it's just that usually for MMA wrestling is more effective.
i don’t think you can be successful in MMA if your grappling is pure wrestling you need a little bit of other stuff too.
@@Rkosin no shit
Kick boxing thai boxing boxing Karate these are the martial arts u can use in mma where u can use your kicks ,punches,knees and elbows and if i say boxing don't worry u have your 100kgs hands with a lot of footworks so still it will be the best mui thai isn't only that gives you a good base so yeah
Wrestling is the best there mindset is just better and they will kill a mua Thai
keep dreaming bro
@@lowballinn there are more ufc champions that are wrestlers then Muay Thai so what are you talking about!!
You people are like comic book nerds comparing fighting styles. No one style is going to give you a complete arsenal and pitting different styles is childish. Real life is not tekken.
@@miguelortega388 No they are bjj. Wrestling isnt bjj.
@@miguelortega388 yeah wrestling is great, especially the mindset and work ethic but its not fair to say they destroy muay thai or other combat forms. Look at how fighters like Jose aldo, Renan Barao (both muay thai fighters) and Robert whittaker completely neutralized wrestling. You dont need to put down other martial arts to lift up wrestling
Instead of pairing muay thai and it’s bad mma stance/lack of ground game with wrestling… why don’t you just teach a wrestler some striking lol
Karate plus ground game tho👀
karate has ground game it was just removed when it was being modernised like if you take a bit of traditional karate shit bout to go down in the octagon
Imagine not punching in the head💀
@@azariel4739 brotha im not talking kyukoshin im talking full on shito ryu
@@azariel4739 thats not my style pf karate
@@azariel4739 mine you can hit anywhere you want
Wrestling is better tho because most fighters can take enough hits to bring a Muay Thai fighter to the ground.
Our karate is also great 🥺🥋
Definitely!
Don’t lie to the people, i did karate for 16 years and even i would say its not good for learning to fight 💀
Le Karate est plus rapide, plus fort, plus dynamique que la Muay Thaï. Plus encore, le Sambo combat ou le Kudo sont plus complets.
Le Karate a beaucoup de coups safe comme ceux avec le talon ou aux genoux hérités de la boxe française. Le problème de la Muay Thaï est qu'il faut plus faire mal à l'autre qu'il ne vous fait mal et plus que vous vous faites mal pour lui faire mal. Il y a des compétitions de Muay Boran qui s'amorcent en Thaïlande et à terme vous verrez que c'est mieux. Enfin, si vous voulez de l'efficacité faites carrément de la Lethwei 😅😉🙏
I think tkd and boxing mix is deadly
you need to work on those shins or it won't work much.
Problem with tkd is the fact that the kicks are all foot heavy. And feet are brittle, break easily, and don’t provide the same damage that a shin does.
Muai thai is a great martial art for mma. But.. i would still start with boxing or wrestling. For the footwork, stances and take down defense.
Muai thai stance really doesnt match well with wrestling... just invites double leg take downs..
also kickboxing
Cyril Gane started in Muyi Tai and can't fault him. But Sambo might be better than BJJ or Wrestling ie. Fedor Emelianenko
Muay thai (striking), Wrestling (take down), and BJJ (submission) has always been the most common and popular combination for MMA.
Also it is true that Muay thai stance is bad for MMA, but so is Wrestling stance. Muay thai stance invites take downs whereas Wrestling stance invites KOs (Thats why no one ever uses Wrestling stance in MMA). MMA needs its own stance to strike and defend take downs and it varies from fighters to fighters ie MMA stance is 75% striking and 25% grappling stance.
Bro while doing the hill kick (called kackatogiri in Japanese in Karate)
You have to bend backwards not in the front that's wrong
I think its sambo because u have kicks and punches throwes and ground game love your videos❤
Wrestling - muay thai’s great but unless you know wrestling you are getting takedown asap
I would think combat sambo or kudo... But yeah, muay thai is great
Strongly disagree. Most of the best strikers are boxers. Boxing teaches footwork defense and some other things that are under utilized in muay thai, I’d say learn boxing first then learn how to kick knee and elbow
In my opinion muai Thai is better with boxing ur footwork will be top notch and on top of the kicks elbows graps and knees u get flicker jabs as well
Best boxing+wrestling
It’s recommended you learn how to check or effectively block kicks tho.
I think BJJ is better over all wrestling is good for teaching that explosive & bare backed grappling techniques but it also leaves you really open to a bunch of different submission techniques that due to its lack of submissions aswell as the fact that you won't be able to get that same explosive ness without the shoes & because you can't win by pin in BJJ just like MMA it teaches you a better mindset on that regard especially when we take into count the no gi techniques BJJ is like the Muay Thai of grappling it just teaches you more in a more similar sport not to say that Wrestling & Boxing aren't valuable just that they are the best bases in comparison also as a side note while I think they are the best bases there is a reason why Boxing & Wrestling are still in the conversation because you can't just bring in Muay Thai & BJJ because even though they are much more similar they aren't the same & that little tiny difference will get you absolutely bodied in the end which is why adding that Boxing & Wrestling emphasis into your game is absolutely necessary to become a great Mixed Martial Artist
Of course you think Muay Thai because you only do striking. It has been proven time and time again that wrestling is by far the superior martial art for modern mma