Really? Not what I hear,go on any blog site,incl. YT,and there are plenty of saffers disparaging NZ rugby.Apparently,NZ has never won a legitimate WC,according to many of your countryman. Sorry,I am not buying what you are selling.It is more a love/hate relationship.We love to hate you,and vice versa.
@@richardscanlan3167 My dude, we cannot judge one another by our lowest common denominators. I promise you that 99% of ZA supporters have a ritualistic respect for the rivalry, and you are well known as 'the ones to beat'. Yes we'll call you every name in the book during the game, but when the final whistle blows only the love of the sport remains.
As a SA fan, I want us to stick with playing NZ as regular as possible. 1) It's the most exciting rugby on the planet to watch. 2) Play with the best, and you have the best chance to become like them
As an Aussie this would be a mistake. The Tri Nations core between Aus, NZ and SA are the foundation of what makes Sth hemisphere Rugby such a high standard.
@@ruanniemann2604 right Ruan! The backstabbing aspect from NZ and Australia should also be a reason for the Boks to move north. I have more respect for the poms than these Australians.
@@archiehemopo9232 who do u think wil win a team between sa, nz and Australia, so it can never be done such way, but maybe i understand u wrong like b. I. Lions vs nz, sa, as yes👌, but still poor lions🤗
NZ fan. Our relationship with the mighty Bok's transcends geographical and political limitations. We have two religions, rugby and God. Don't break what the almighty put together. Together we can challenge the entire earth.
Bok fan. On your last sentence, together we can challenge the entire earth. Imagine if there was like a team made up of the best of NZ and the best of SA that challenge the world. Basically like the B&I Lions
Also remember growing up waking up early on a cold Saturday morning and watching the AB's and the Springboks. This will be a massive blow to my childhood
as a south african i don’t want the sa teams to leave super rugby. it was always sa, the kiwis and the aussies against the northern hemisphere. just gonna be wrong if we go to the uk
@@steveg2479 Yep,it is all to do with Covid,but as you can see from the comment above it,some saffers seem to think its some kind of kiwi conspiracy.Anyway,SA have been threatening to leave for years,now they have got their wish.So,what's the problem?
@@richardscanlan3167 it was never our wish... I don't know who keeps pushing this agenda but every single bok fan wants to keep the Southern Hermisphere competitions going strong with our old rivals. Couldn't give a toss what they doing up there in the north. The people in charge and the media are just doing what they want as always
@@thomthum4924 if you are right,good to hear. Look,I have no illusions about the effect a SA exodus to the north would do for the NZ game.We would be worse off financially,ofc.But also,the saffa style of play is one that hones NZ players.I would like to think that applies in reverse. I will tell you something else,while a lot of aussie fans like the idea of trans Tasman comp,it doesn't wash with us.They don't bring enough rugby wise for NZ to get any benefit.Simply put,our game would deterioate,I have no doubt about that.
I’m huge Springbok fan. My uncle was Sri Lanka Ambassador to SA during Nelson Mandela era. He used to tell me Rugby in Afrikaans blood. In Rugby nothing like watching Springboks vs All Blacks, one of the best in the business. In the recent world cup when SA lost their first game, I predict they will win the world cup. Springbok did it. In U.S my younger years I enjoyed playing rugby with some of SA players. My goal in U.S trying to reach out Native Americans (NA) community to play rugby. If we can get some of the NA players reach to top in rugby, watch out Springboks and All Blacks Cheers from Oklahoma, great show to watch while I telework LOL (Shh) 🤷♂️
@@JayGoonetilleke sure, I've never met native Americans before and they aren't well publicised in mainstream media just like the polynesian, aboriginal and khoi/San people.
As a South African, I can't respect a rugby playing nation more than I do, the New Zealanders. They haven't become arrogant and play with a passion and heart and finesse like no other.
@@bensenzo NZ rugby chairman should step down. In my point of view, why should us kiwis care about time zones if a NZ super rugby team face a SA team away at 2am? We have highlights (apart from those thumbnails spoiling the whole thing) and also plenty of replays and this is coming from NZ
The fans in SA and NZ want to keep the rugby championship, and want Super Rugby at Super 12.... ...but leave it to administrators to completely ruin everything...
I feel if they leave and go to the northern they will adopt their kind of style of playing and lose their style which is a running game. It will be sad to see them go but I hope Australia rugby grows and have a Island team with former A/Bs & Wallbies with some up and coming island base players make a team will bring the excitement back in the comp.
When I lived in England, I always felt that there was a strong brotherhood between the SA's, NZ's, and Ozzies, it was like us vs the rest, this would be like the Boks leaving their brothers.
Respect to the Mighty Springboks and their Super teams. Be a shame to sever ties with them. One could argue, the respective success of borh countries in the professional era was based off the consistent exposure to each other. Both countries have pushed each other hard and have dominated the rest of the world as a result.
Watching this video after the 2022 summer test series just really emphasises the need to keep the SH in tact. You could see the benefit to Wales and Ireland after playing a season against the Saffa teams in the URC. And, in tandem, the loss to NZ after not having those Saffa teams in super rugby this year. Also, AB v BOK games are the greatest rivalry in world rugby. 6 of 9 WCs between them. Bags loads of respect for each other and the clash of the two main schools of how the game should be played. As an irish fan, having SA in the 6ns would be a massive boost but to loose the RC, fpr all intents and purpose, would be catastrophic (mostly for the ABs).
Enjoyed wayching Bryn captaining under 20s here in Cape Town. Rate him amongst the worlds best for a while now. Thanks for supporting the old rivalry. This will be interesting.
Come Saturday the Rugby World will see how good the All Blacks will be without having faced any overseas competition, and boy we are in for a treat with this North vs South game.....
As a Springbok supporter, I would hate to leave the rugby champs. ABz and Boks are the best rivalry that rugby has. It's those games that set the tone for the season. Dont get me wrong the North is the right place for SA players to play went it comes to club level as the Rand is simply not strong enough and most the first choice bok players are there already. When it comes to internationally it would be a massive mistake for SA to join the 6 nations. The 6 nations is a special tournament because of history. The fans want to see the ABz & Boks play if world rugby doesn't see that then they are crazy.
I hear you. I think the All Black fans/experts don't appreciate the RSA/All Black matches as well as matches at super rugby level. Those matches has forced New Zealand to improve their set pieces and that has made them more dominant at international level. If they don't have those games, don't be surprised if the All Blacks fall outside of the top five in the world in the future.
love from South Africa❤️ the memories of watching the games between us with my family are some of my favourites. also the 1995 world cup final was such an important historical moment for my country and helped us find a place to unite as a country after apartheid. would be a shame to lose you guys to say the least
SA support here. Playing the AB teams is something special to me. The hype and excitement brings is something unreal and that no other teams can match. It would be terrible to lose that. Plus to be the best we have to play the best. We learn so much from each other when we play it makes us grow stronger.
I know there is problems with finances / feasibility/ travel etc but a Southern Hemisphere tournament structured similarly to the six nations and including Japan and Pacific island teams or one of the Pacific island teams would be so exciting. Instead of each year ABs and SA having to travel both ways you just take it turn about and play eachother once. Would just make it more exciting imo and would get the other teams included , coming from someone who lives in Ireland would love to see it
Well from a South African citizen and supporters point of view........we will be crazy to leave or leave games versus NZ and Australia. I will forever respect NZ rugby and they are true and absolute worthy opponents.
Good to hear from current players. Good to hear from past players too but there’s more of them talking. So good to hear from the few current ones. Way to go guys.
As a South African I find it tremendous the respect shown between The All Blacks & The Springboks. Love watching both teams play. Sportsmanship and respect at its best Don’t change the current remedy, it works
As a South African and ardent Springbok supporter I can truthfully say we have enormous respect for the All Blacks. We also really enjoy watching our team play against all the southern hemisphere teams as they interpret the rules similarly and the competition is always formidable and physical. Only issue usually is time zone related but that is minor in my opinion. On that point, playing the northern hemisphere is nice as the games are broadcast in prime time for the South African public to enjoy. I do hope rugby as a sport develops and grows even more in countries like Japan, Australia and Argentina. My hope is that whatever changes come to pass will be to the benefit of rugby as a sport for all countries and nations and not for the bottom line of franchises trying to sign the most lucrative deals. I think the uber-prices obtained by individual soccer stars is a farce (but then again I do not have ANY regard for soccer as a sport) and I earnestly hope that rugby as a professional sport would find that golden zone where players are remunerated properly and clubs generate sufficient revenue but that the integrity of the sport does not get left behind.
I don't want us to leave. Playing NZ is the best for us. But if we do, my word I would love for us to rub the northerners faces in the dirt. Getting very loud up north.
I am a Springbok supporter and for the longest time i have been aggrieved by the comments of the Andrew Mertins and the likes about booting the boks from super rugby. it really ticked me off when people have said that South Africa should move up north and leave the SANZAAR competitions. I firmly believe there is no greater test match in the world than one between the Boks and the All Blacks. At this stage im really fed up with comments coming from certain New Zealand pundits that at this stage I am thinking "Screw it, lets go up North". I hate the fact that thats how i feel but honestly I am fed up with this narrative that Super Rugby doesnt need the Boks. I want to play New Zealand because they are the best (even though we are world champs, lets not kid ourselves the All blacks have been the giants in the sport for a very long time) but i am really sick of these comments that we are not needed.
James Martin Well we have been considering north since we are at an automatic disadvantage with traveling schedules and time zones. Let’s not forget how we have been screwed over dozens of times in NZ by NZ referees. Oh and let’s add the marvelous SANZAAR panel in there too - applying the rules impartially when it comes to Saffas vs Kiwis 😉
And we are not worried about being unwanted, we are the world champions and we can gladly take our viewership/sponsorship deals with us. They can praise themselves all they want, you will hear them crying soon after.
They want their cake and eat it... They kicking arg and rsa out of the domestic super rugby but they still want 4n championship....now they pissing themselves cos rsa might leave that too.....the rivalry is and traveling times are watching early games suddenly are OK now... Before that was the biggest complaints....
I have for some time wanted to see a North-South setup where you have five teams in each. North would go back to five nations for a two-year cycle, with a tier two of the next best five, with promotion-relegation. South would be the current four RC teams with a combined Islanders team as the fifth (like WI does for cricket). Now, however, I am liking a timezone-based model. You'd have three zones: western, central and eastern. Western would be around the Americas, so USA, Canada, Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina. Of course, the Pumas would clean up ... for a while. But give it a few seasons and we'll see something from the others, I'm sure. Central would be EMEA, with the current 6N, SA, Spain, Georgia, and so on. You still have a two-tier system here, with a top five and the rest, promotion-relegation every two years. Eastern would be the Australasia and PI teams. NZ, Aus, Japan, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, etc. Perhaps the PI as individuals, perhaps as a combined team. Thoughts?
so i think i figured out what happened here.. it looks like it was rumored that sarfu, not us the fans, wanted to leave after 2023 RWC.. Check link dan mcgvn shared below.. NZ then cut the ties early to secure their own future.. Check my link below.. (My original post) We do not want to leave.. It is not SA that wants to leave, NZ started saying they're making a comp with the Aussies and Pacific Nations, which came as a surprise to us!
That is simply not true. There has been rumours of SA playing in the Northern Hemisphere for a couple of years now. Why wouldn't the NZ Rugby union look to make plans without SA?
But here in SA I have read articles and seen vids about this move being started and pushed from the Aussies? Or is the media just pushing agendas again?
@@danmcgivern4057 Rumours. Exactly what it is. Don't believe everything you read in the media. Majority of South Africa don't want Pro14 or the 6 Nations.
Springboks vs All Blacks are my favorite games to watch, I'm a massive NZ rugby fan and support them when they play (except when they play SA 😂) leaving and going to europe will be heartbreaking from a saffa perspective. Massive respect for NZ they are rugby giants !
Strange listening to Tony Lamborn telling his story of waking up with his old man and mom making hot chocolate so they could watch NZ play in SA. That is precisely my story of watching SA play in NZ. I have particular memories of the 1981 test series with the "flour bomb" test.
As a South African I don’t actually care as I only watch and support the AB for many years!! You guys play magnificent rugby and don’t have politics interfere with your sport. Can’t wait for the new season and see what you bring!!
Saying all That it would be AWESOME 2 See the BOKS UP NORTH ,,, But IT'S a NO for me . RUGBY really needs to be improving the 6 Nations and The Championship . We have 2 get the lesser known Teams into these Competitions and that's the bottom Line .
All Blacks always push our Springboks to our limit and force us to get better. As the world cup champs I think we are so hungry for a match with NZ to settle a Rugby Championship and World Cup rematch to set the record straight 😄
When I was kid I use to stay up with my dad sit by our radio and listen early hours of the morning to the all blacks vs boks and their provincial teams when they toured SA it's the greatest rugby rivalry I've ever known it would be a shame that the lure of money or other wise would ruin that.
As a South African if we leave it will be sad to loose the rival game SA vs ZN. Its always the best game to watch and vide is insane no matter if you in SA or in ZN
New Zealand, Australia and the UK will get a lot of the Boers Blood within their bloodlines going forward. Can you imagine how Strong the Teams are going to be in 2 to 3 generations with the mix of all these Trojans and the cracking rugby we going to see going forward?
i am a SA supporter ..but i am also a rugby supporter ...and in my world of rugby the haka and the all blacks is essential when i watch springbok rugby
I would also love to watch Tonga, Fiji, Samoa, and any other Pacific Island team get into a regular league of play. However, I'd be really sad if the bokke had to miss on playing against them too cause that would take Southern Hemisphere rugby to an amazing level
@@jamesmartin9711 You just can't admit that you're gonna get weaker lol. Playing against Argentina, Australia and Japan aren't gonna make NZ stronger. South Africa's being smart about it and moving on. If we join the six nations then its over for NZ because South Africa will constantly be playing against Wales, England, France and Ireland. We can only get stronger.
Even stupid could see this coming....you don't get better by playing teams beneath you... The bok /kiwi rugby rivalry is the best thing for rugby.... The fact that south Africa was the only country to win their series against the north is no accident... Despite all the criticism against them,critics have failed to completely understand South Africa's ability to change ,be it very subtle change ,and adapt their play to the apponents they are facing.... The second test match against Wales taught them a lot,but it also taught the viewers like me a lot. South Africa,s game will always be built around their front row,because no country can produce such calibre in their front row like south Africa can...imagine from mattfield to Eben,from Bakkies to Archie Snyman. C'mon which other country can do that...NZ is unable to do it,Australia can't do that.....no one can do that... Do you think south Africa has only one Cheslin Kolby....you're kidding yourself....south Africa has dozens of them in the making... In short no one can produce players the calibre of the Boks in such numbers...who have the tall and strong timber upfront and better still great numbers of them....guys like Franco Mostert and baby face ,I forget the guys name now... NZ and Australia have been pinching pacific players to fill their jerseys for decades....,something south Africa needed to do .... Now that pacific players are playing against NZ and aus,they will benefit even more than NZ and aus has from the stupid tournament that they've organised.... NZ needs too understand that lions don't get better by playing against sheep....they should dump the alliance they have with Australia and get back to playing rugby on all levels against their old for the Boks....who are going from strength to strength.... Everyone is going gaga over France,but I know that the Boks can and will defeat them ,of that I'm sure....we have done it before and we will do it again....it is nz that must fear the French ,not south Africa... What if south Africa didn't experiment in the second test against Wales,they would have killed the series there and then... Australia and NZ are suffering through shear stupidity....you can never improve if you want to play against the japanese,Fijians,Tongans and Samoans,those are second tier teams.....the problem with Australian rugby isn't rugby,it's about mismanagement off the field,it's about lost opportunities,players like Israel Folau were let go because of political expediency.... When Australian rugby ran into decline ,they looked to NZ to support there Pacific rugby plan ,but NZ was too dumb to see that the plan came about because Australian rugby went broke....with NZ on board south Africa got the flick and headed north....the end result is a wounded,limping Kiwi and a bruised kangaroo,they have no money,no depth in players and no freaking idea how to get out of the political rugby mess they're in....their brands are tainted and their supporters are pissed
The biggest and most intestine games ever are the SA v AB games .... SA fans want that, but time zones for ppl watching suck on TV rights whereas TV rights and the Pound/Euro to the Rand earnings will make a huge influence on what decision occurs to the comparison of $. I live in Aus and frankly feel the rugby has sucked here ever since Eddie Jones started to go off the plot towards end of Wallaby career. The Pacific region needs major major $ injection and it would be truly amazing to see growth of players and quality rugby for the region..... but if the AB and Boks could do a test series every year then that would cover all my bases of happiness rugby wise ..... and just maybe the interest and the quality of those tests would even go up coz lets face it based on current feelings the buys would be soooooo excited to play each other they would put every thing they have on the table for the games let alone to be in the squads...... its also really nice to hear the compliments these guys put out about how they want the Boks to stay .... thats a really nice thing to hear - respect!!!!!! We want NZ too!!
@@len2son you know, one would think that over the years our respective nations would of gotten used to that obstacle. Because this traveling obstacle should of made us all even tougher mentally and physically vs the north who aren't used to this amount of long distance travel. We should of embraced what is difficult so that we become even more stronger as rugby nations. Its only difficulty that builds a mans resolve
U r the current world champs. U do as u want. U have a big player base. May be u get 2 x teams; one to in the 6 nations and one in the 4 x nations. Whatever, let rugby be the winner .
South Africa think of the Pacific Islands; when u had colour bar, they toured your nation. NZ has done enough for this Islanders over the years. OZ have included Fiji in their competion. NZ just have ABs games in their turf bar 1 x test in Samoa. Come nd play in the islands Boks. U r most welcome as the current Champs. Not has beens.
Why can't we have both? Play our season in the North, and then have a test series against the All Blacks, a best of 3, each year, rotating each year as to who hosts it.
@@tonedeaf_film You Don't remember the intensity of the test series do you? Also, realise, would be no SR either SA vs NZ either. The only times SA and NZ would meet in any shape or form would be the test series. 3 matches, that's it. And ensuring 3, so a result, who wins the series, would make it epic. Just 3 a year is nothing when you consider would be zero super rugby etc. Wouldn't be any burn out with fans at all. Alternating who hosts its each year would also keep it fresh, the fans getting to see home games would be a once every 2 years. The test series would be the only time anybody gets to see any sort of SA team vs NZ. Would be no SR fatigue. No Rugby Championship fatigue. There would be just 3 times a year when any sort of team from SA played against any sort of team from NZ and it would be high stakes, winner keeps the scalp.
A breath of fresh air if the Bokke move. The long distances (plus time differences), plus weak rand (!!!!) has taken its toll on SA. If this move happens then at least if nothing else Bokke will cash in BIG €£¥$ money. Now as world champions they have to make their move as hot currency=£££The Euro market also already know alot about the Bok players so they are even more relevant=€€€ If the Bokke and AB only played once every three years imagine how special those Tests will be! More money $$$!! Doesnt have to be permanent. 10 years. Maybe SA can then keep its players. I say go for it!!!! **just one question: will the NH teams play in SA???
I really hope that we don't end up leaving the southern hemisphere. Our relationship with NZ is so important to us and no offence to other nations but the matches between NZ and RSA are by far our favourites, they feel like good old high school derbies. NZ and RSA have such a beautiful relationship on and off the field. And if we do leave it will be like a painful goodbye to and old endeared friend.
I think the boks should head up north at provincial level and international, and do year end tours south. I think the excitement of AB Bok games will come back once again, I'm also hoping the Aussies start playing well again.
I do not see the Boks move to the North as the end to the rivalry. In fact it will strengthen the challenge and make it more special. Maybe bring the longer tours back between the Boks and AB. That would be very special again. Playing 3 test and midweek games. Like the idea. Every 2nd or third year. Would be fantastic.
There will still be opportunity for the Boks and AB's to play each other, pretty much every year. The six nations tournament does not go on all year long.
The Europeans have it easy at the moment with the short travel times between games. If SA enters their competition, then all this changes. SA might end up having to play most of their games abroad, which is going to be bad for the SA rugby unions. By the time they realize their mistake, they would have alienated the Southern Hemisphere rugby unions and may not be welcomed back with open arms (and at a price).
Seeing this video nearly a year later and speaking purely as a South African: When the Springboks aren't playing against the AB's, I can guarantee you than 80% of SAFAS will be cheering for the AB's. Always been like that and always will be!
If someone at Sanzar is watching... Keep SA, NZ, Aus, Japan, Argentina, get a Pacific Team and sign a deal with RUclips.. They have the Money, infrastructure, online presence globally and the easiest way to get the most eyeballs to Rugby.
Agree 100%,but i am exited about the financial giant that will form from a s.a - europe partnership. Feel for nz players and fans that have the same love for s.a vs nzl that i have but it also feels that they are pushing us out of sanzar and then saying its sad that we are leaving.
No you missing the point the South african rugby union was served a last minute noticed being informed they nolonger needed in the superugby and Pacifica island and Ausie have their own comp on the way .
Just making light lads, my S.A partner and I love our delightful banter. No one really knows where we will end up in the sports world but as long as we can continue to have fun and enjoy the spectacle, that’s all that counts. With love...
The South African supporters wants to see the Springboks play the All Blacks. Period!! Its the ultimate test as a Springbok and a Springbok supporter. Super 12 in Super Rugby. maybe with a second tier. It will be perfect!! Just a half an hours drive from home is Ellis Park where I watched a lot of Super Rugby when The Lions were playing so well against real foes: the top teams of New Zealand and Australia. Its sad that money and politics talks so much harder than brilliant rugby, history and respect between two great rugby playing nations.
I think there is enough talent in both SA and NZ to run two two teams. Then you have like 40 of your top players competing at the highest level. Has anyone thought of that? The two countries can play in both completions at the same time.
If Boks go North and I think financial realities will determine they will , it opens the door for a resumption of 3 and 5 match extended series between SA and NZ . No reason why that wouldn’t arguably be a better product than the Rugby Championship.
Guys , is not us , as in SA that want to go , the stance and actions taken by SANZAR are pushing this . SANZAR want a tournament with the island and any team bringing in the Yen . The North dont want SA in any of their tournaments . Beaumont would freeze in hell before SA played in any six nation type competition
Where did you read that nonsense that the Spingboks wanted to leave Superugby and that they don't want the Springboks up North in any tournament. Please get your facts straight
@@Paul-yq4fh mate I think you will find the opposite , SA have to beg for the scraps off the table from the mighty SANZAR , SA participation has never been beneficial to us or our Rugby teams playing in the super rugby competitions and TrI-Nations , Now that my friend is fact and very well documented , and as such any concessions requested have been turned down , from a get your facts straight perspective , just wondering who signed deal with FOX and have vocally pushed for the exclusion of South Africa from all existing competitions let me give you a clue it is not the Australians , dont be a typical key board warrior Please get your facts Straight , on your other factually incorrect statement , had you followed to fanfare around the election of Mr Beaumont you would KNOW that his campaign was and is based on keeping the six nations as it is as well as maintain the existing format of all domestic and continental competitions as they are . Mr Beaumont dislike of South Africa is well known and "factually " correct . Clown !!!
@@hanoitripper1809 which country has the most number of franchise teams in the competition ? , which countries had to remove 2 franchises each from the competition ? . (Whilst New Zealand dropped none ), which country now wants to add another franchise . Which two countries situated across the Tasman sea have majority control with respect to rule changes and new experimental laws ? . Which country has funded development in AUS/NEW ZEAL whilst receiving little to no actual commercial returns from this arrangement . This is not the way a commercial partnership works this is begging for scraps . When one country has to contribute more than the any of the other countries concerned and then not receive parity , this is begging for scraps . The long and short of it Sir , is that the AB want the YEN and want what the market in Japan can give them , Australia will not offer much resistance as they will follow New Zealand , the Rand has devalued and New Zealand want for returns on what the South African funding is currently able to deliver .
As a sprinbok fan i would like to see SA compete in the UK. And compete in the six nations. It would be good to earn in pounds or Euro so to keep players in SA and it would keep our game strong. And maybe having a touring game from NZ, AUS every 2nd year
We need the championship. Super Rugby can go take a hike but as for the international game we can’t go North. We already have enough exposure in the domestic game but as the Boks we know the only international standard is the Boks v AB’s.
Please please please go back to SANZAR. Go back to S12, back to Tri-nations. No offense to Argentina or anyone else, but that is the best format we had, and was good for Rugby.
I'm a South African, and I'm telling everyone rite now. If we go up and play in England and no longer play the All Blacks, than I will NOT support such a competition. As much as the Boks are in my DNA so is playing the All Blacks. I can NOT accept a Bok reality without the Best competition in the world. And that to me is the Blacks
SA leaving would be sad but won't be detrimental to All Black nor Wallaby international competitiveness on the field. If you're talking World Cup, that's tournament rugby which is a different beast from test rugby and I still don't think SA & 6 Nations will have a major advantage, it's never proven so. It's about a viable 💰💵 professional rugby competition that keeps our players downunder and our coaches on their toes. Without SA players in our club competition we still have a depth of player talent in the Oceanic Asian region that is the envy of the world. It's the Money, honey.
Of course it will be to the ABs disadvantage. I also think it will be to SAs disadvantage. The support base for the ABs is very arrogant. I predicted their downfall from the no1 spot and not winning the RWC. Boy did I get owned for those comments.....until I was right. I can see from the outside that the ABs are on a downward curve. This will hurt the ABs, no doubt. And as a South African I love the ABs. I really do. I watch all the ABs games. I have great admiration for the team. Just calling it as I see it.
@@graeme8768 Northern Hemisphere ain't going to roll over for your peanuts yous have to offer enjoy playing rugby during the summer in Bloemfontein . lol
@@graeme8768 Although if you meet most ABs supporters, they aren't arrogant in person. YT is an unhealthy place to judge a nation of people cos 15yso are allowed to come on here and make comments! And obv a 15yo ABs supporter will be arrogant, cos the ABs have been world champs since they could remember
@@graeme8768 Not having regular contact with South African players is unfortunate but NOT a disadvantage as you might think. We have quality talent in players, coaches, feeder systems in NZ, Australia, Japan and the Pacific to have a viable professional club competition attracting corporate sponsors and broadcasting deals. That is all that is needed to develop players and coaching strategies for international competition. I hardly think that is being arrogant, the ANZAC spirit has always been to "give it a crack mate!" Regarding the rankings, Wales were #1 for 2 weeks from 19 Aug 2019, after Ireland def. Wales the ABs went top without even playing. Ireland def Wales again and became #1 on the 7th Sep 2019 through to the World cup, ABs went in 2nd. The points system is a weird one in which many variables are taken into consideration before points are subtracted and transferred between the sides at the determination of the match. At the same time because of a shortened Championship we only played each other once, SA won and the ABs lost to Australia and came third, but we beat them later 36 - 0. We also didn't have the Northern hemisphere test matches that allow for points gathering or losing, so it was obvious that the ABs might lose it's top spot before the WC, I don't think you're a visionary there. Regarding the WC winning Boks and the ABs they drew 16 all in Championship match in Wellington before the WC, and the last 2 matches before that were wins apiece in 2018, both by only 2 points, both wonderful games. Graeme, the professional era has levelled the playing field largely with the help of many of our players and coaches having gone not just north but all over the globe, just like South Africans too, to spread the rugby gospel. So to think that the ABs can stay #1 in rankings for large periods of time (85% since rankings began to 2020) probably has come to an end, as I have pointed out we ourselves have much to blame for that in our rugby pilgrimages and following the "money honey", sorry to inform you but you didn't possess a crystal ball on your own. We've still got something special downunder mate. Thanks for your thoughts anyway.
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The amount of respect from NZ to RSA and vice versa is something special.
Really? Not what I hear,go on any blog site,incl. YT,and there are plenty of saffers disparaging NZ rugby.Apparently,NZ has never won a legitimate WC,according to many of your countryman.
Sorry,I am not buying what you are selling.It is more a love/hate relationship.We love to hate you,and vice versa.
Europe wants that world trophy and will and get that by any means necessary it seems ,by breaking up the powerhouse of rugby nations
Dimmak are you implying that Europe is somehow forcing SA to leave and join the European torments ? What are you on about
@Luke Hill well,whose fault is that? If you didn't have your apartheid system,you would have been at both.
@@richardscanlan3167 My dude, we cannot judge one another by our lowest common denominators. I promise you that 99% of ZA supporters have a ritualistic respect for the rivalry, and you are well known as 'the ones to beat'. Yes we'll call you every name in the book during the game, but when the final whistle blows only the love of the sport remains.
As a SA fan, I want us to stick with playing NZ as regular as possible. 1) It's the most exciting rugby on the planet to watch. 2) Play with the best, and you have the best chance to become like them
Most South African and New Zealand fans want those two teams playing each other regularly
Been an absolute pleasure see the SA sides playing here in NZ it would be a shame but understandable if they went to the pro14
To be honest as an All Blacks fan I would like to see the Springboks go up North and dominate them
As an NZ fan, the same applies in NZ. We are family. We have two religions, rugby and God.
Mean bro, respect
As an Aussie this would be a mistake. The Tri Nations core between Aus, NZ and SA are the foundation of what makes Sth hemisphere Rugby such a high standard.
the literal global standard
Pity we haven't got a team like the lions in the southern hemisphere then our rugby would be stronger
The travel aspect is stacked against the Boks, always has been.
@@ruanniemann2604 right Ruan! The backstabbing aspect from NZ and Australia should also be a reason for the Boks to move north. I have more respect for the poms than these Australians.
@@archiehemopo9232 who do u think wil win a team between sa, nz and Australia, so it can never be done such way, but maybe i understand u wrong like b. I. Lions vs nz, sa, as yes👌, but still poor lions🤗
We grew up with those Springboks vs All Blacks Saturday’s ....don’t steal our childhood asseblief 🇿🇦🇳🇿
NZ fan. Our relationship with the mighty Bok's transcends geographical and political limitations. We have two religions, rugby and God. Don't break what the almighty put together. Together we can challenge the entire earth.
Hona Wikeepa Bok fan. this might be the best thing any person has ever said in history.. 👍😃
Bok fan. On your last sentence, together we can challenge the entire earth. Imagine if there was like a team made up of the best of NZ and the best of SA that challenge the world. Basically like the B&I Lions
So true.
we don't all believe in your god bro
Then why don't you want us in Super Rugby anymore?
Also remember growing up waking up early on a cold Saturday morning and watching the AB's and the Springboks. This will be a massive blow to my childhood
as a south african i don’t want the sa teams to leave super rugby. it was always sa, the kiwis and the aussies against the northern hemisphere. just gonna be wrong if we go to the uk
Tristan Van der Merwe I see your point, but isn't it a one off because of covid? I would love to see you in England, but not sure it's best for you.
@@steveg2479 Yep,it is all to do with Covid,but as you can see from the comment above it,some saffers seem to think its some kind of kiwi conspiracy.Anyway,SA have been threatening to leave for years,now they have got their wish.So,what's the problem?
France Ireland and Italy not in the uk
@@richardscanlan3167 it was never our wish... I don't know who keeps pushing this agenda but every single bok fan wants to keep the Southern Hermisphere competitions going strong with our old rivals. Couldn't give a toss what they doing up there in the north. The people in charge and the media are just doing what they want as always
@@thomthum4924 if you are right,good to hear.
Look,I have no illusions about the effect a SA exodus to the north would do for the NZ game.We would be worse off financially,ofc.But also,the saffa style of play is one that hones NZ players.I would like to think that applies in reverse.
I will tell you something else,while a lot of aussie fans like the idea of trans Tasman comp,it doesn't wash with us.They don't bring enough rugby wise for NZ to get any benefit.Simply put,our game would deterioate,I have no doubt about that.
I’m huge Springbok fan. My uncle was Sri Lanka Ambassador to SA during Nelson Mandela era. He used to tell me Rugby in Afrikaans blood.
In Rugby nothing like watching Springboks vs All Blacks, one of the best in the business. In the recent world cup when SA lost their first game, I predict they will win the world cup. Springbok did it.
In U.S my younger years I enjoyed playing rugby with some of SA players. My goal in U.S trying to reach out Native Americans (NA) community to play rugby. If we can get some of the NA players reach to top in rugby, watch out Springboks and All Blacks
Cheers from Oklahoma, great show to watch while I telework LOL (Shh)
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Do the Native American have the physique of rugby players? Are you equating them to the Pacific Islanders/Polynesians?
You've got a fascinating story - best luck to you with your endeavours in Oklahoma mate!
@@HenryDube72 yes Sir!!! Size and speed very familiar to my Asian Islanders. Its untapped market for Rugby. Cheer!!
@@smartalecc Thank you Sir !!
@@JayGoonetilleke sure, I've never met native Americans before and they aren't well publicised in mainstream media just like the polynesian, aboriginal and khoi/San people.
As South Africans, we appreciate the respect from the Kiwis, the greatest rugby 🏉 nation.
As a South African, I can't respect a rugby playing nation more than I do, the New Zealanders. They haven't become arrogant and play with a passion and heart and finesse like no other.
All my life .. the best teams to watch was SA v AB ... These two teams have more than just history .. As a die hard SA supported it would be sad .....
WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE. We need NZ to push us to grow.
They don't want us
@@bensenzo NZ rugby chairman should step down. In my point of view, why should us kiwis care about time zones if a NZ super rugby team face a SA team away at 2am? We have highlights (apart from those thumbnails spoiling the whole thing) and also plenty of replays and this is coming from NZ
@Poua Kai nah
The fans in SA and NZ want to keep the rugby championship, and want Super Rugby at Super 12....
...but leave it to administrators to completely ruin everything...
Bingo. Sadly its all about money.
I feel if they leave and go to the northern they will adopt their kind of style of playing and lose their style which is a running game. It will be sad to see them go but I hope Australia rugby grows and have a Island team with former A/Bs & Wallbies with some up and coming island base players make a team will bring the excitement back in the comp.
When I lived in England, I always felt that there was a strong brotherhood between the SA's, NZ's, and Ozzies, it was like us vs the rest, this would be like the Boks leaving their brothers.
SA needs NZ too. We learn so much from you guys! much love
Respect to the Mighty Springboks and their Super teams. Be a shame to sever ties with them. One could argue, the respective success of borh countries in the professional era was based off the consistent exposure to each other. Both countries have pushed each other hard and have dominated the rest of the world as a result.
Watching this video after the 2022 summer test series just really emphasises the need to keep the SH in tact. You could see the benefit to Wales and Ireland after playing a season against the Saffa teams in the URC. And, in tandem, the loss to NZ after not having those Saffa teams in super rugby this year. Also, AB v BOK games are the greatest rivalry in world rugby. 6 of 9 WCs between them. Bags loads of respect for each other and the clash of the two main schools of how the game should be played. As an irish fan, having SA in the 6ns would be a massive boost but to loose the RC, fpr all intents and purpose, would be catastrophic (mostly for the ABs).
Enjoyed wayching Bryn captaining under 20s here in Cape Town. Rate him amongst the worlds best for a while now. Thanks for supporting the old rivalry. This will be interesting.
Come Saturday the Rugby World will see how good the All Blacks will be without having faced any overseas competition, and boy we are in for a treat with this North vs South game.....
Who will you play after that🤭
@@mutafelaphiri4338 good question.There is scuttlebutt that we may end up playing four Bledisloe tests v Aussie.God's teeth,I hope not!
As a Springbok supporter, I would hate to leave the rugby champs. ABz and Boks are the best rivalry that rugby has. It's those games that set the tone for the season. Dont get me wrong the North is the right place for SA players to play went it comes to club level as the Rand is simply not strong enough and most the first choice bok players are there already. When it comes to internationally it would be a massive mistake for SA to join the 6 nations. The 6 nations is a special tournament because of history. The fans want to see the ABz & Boks play if world rugby doesn't see that then they are crazy.
I hear you. I think the All Black fans/experts don't appreciate the RSA/All Black matches as well as matches at super rugby level. Those matches has forced New Zealand to improve their set pieces and that has made them more dominant at international level. If they don't have those games, don't be surprised if the All Blacks fall outside of the top five in the world in the future.
Than maybe the boks can play Ab and Aus every 2 years
Personally i would like to see the boks compete in six nations.
Eben De Jongh I’m happy not to play them at all. They are the ones losing out. More world cups for us.😏😏😏😏
You have a point. But it is all about the time zones. And l believe South Africa will do great up north. So I'm with leaving the current Championship.
love from South Africa❤️ the memories of watching the games between us with my family are some of my favourites. also the 1995 world cup final was such an important historical moment for my country and helped us find a place to unite as a country after apartheid. would be a shame to lose you guys to say the least
SA support here. Playing the AB teams is something special to me. The hype and excitement brings is something unreal and that no other teams can match. It would be terrible to lose that.
Plus to be the best we have to play the best. We learn so much from each other when we play it makes us grow stronger.
special video thanks guys, from sa
I know there is problems with finances / feasibility/ travel etc but a Southern Hemisphere tournament structured similarly to the six nations and including Japan and Pacific island teams or one of the Pacific island teams would be so exciting. Instead of each year ABs and SA having to travel both ways you just take it turn about and play eachother once. Would just make it more exciting imo and would get the other teams included , coming from someone who lives in Ireland would love to see it
Well from a South African citizen and supporters point of view........we will be crazy to leave or leave games versus NZ and Australia. I will forever respect NZ rugby and they are true and absolute worthy opponents.
I totally agree
Good to hear from current players. Good to hear from past players too but there’s more of them talking. So good to hear from the few current ones. Way to go guys.
As a South African I find it tremendous the respect shown between The All Blacks & The Springboks.
Love watching both teams play.
Sportsmanship and respect at its best
Don’t change the current remedy, it works
Bok Fan, there's nothing quite like NZ v Springboks, best against the best, period. Hate to see us leave.
some great pictures in there !
As a South African and ardent Springbok supporter I can truthfully say we have enormous respect for the All Blacks. We also really enjoy watching our team play against all the southern hemisphere teams as they interpret the rules similarly and the competition is always formidable and physical. Only issue usually is time zone related but that is minor in my opinion. On that point, playing the northern hemisphere is nice as the games are broadcast in prime time for the South African public to enjoy. I do hope rugby as a sport develops and grows even more in countries like Japan, Australia and Argentina. My hope is that whatever changes come to pass will be to the benefit of rugby as a sport for all countries and nations and not for the bottom line of franchises trying to sign the most lucrative deals. I think the uber-prices obtained by individual soccer stars is a farce (but then again I do not have ANY regard for soccer as a sport) and I earnestly hope that rugby as a professional sport would find that golden zone where players are remunerated properly and clubs generate sufficient revenue but that the integrity of the sport does not get left behind.
I see SA going backwards by going North. Look at Northern Rugby well enough said. Get our pacific Rugby strong.
I hope the South Africans , go and dominate the northern competition .and that’s from a AB supporter
What’s always kept the Southern Hemisphere stronger is SA vs NZ vs Aus. If SA goes up there Southern Hemisphere rugby gets compromised
I don't want us to leave. Playing NZ is the best for us. But if we do, my word I would love for us to rub the northerners faces in the dirt. Getting very loud up north.
We don't want to.
South African here. I LOVE NZ Rugby. Nothing better.
I am a Springbok supporter and for the longest time i have been aggrieved by the comments of the Andrew Mertins and the likes about booting the boks from super rugby. it really ticked me off when people have said that South Africa should move up north and leave the SANZAAR competitions. I firmly believe there is no greater test match in the world than one between the Boks and the All Blacks. At this stage im really fed up with comments coming from certain New Zealand pundits that at this stage I am thinking "Screw it, lets go up North". I hate the fact that thats how i feel but honestly I am fed up with this narrative that Super Rugby doesnt need the Boks. I want to play New Zealand because they are the best (even though we are world champs, lets not kid ourselves the All blacks have been the giants in the sport for a very long time) but i am really sick of these comments that we are not needed.
Tell that to the pundits and players in SA saying the total opposite for months you idiot
@@jamesmartin9711 thanks for your 2 cents
@@DietsK Tell the whole story next time. lol
James Martin Well we have been considering north since we are at an automatic disadvantage with traveling schedules and time zones. Let’s not forget how we have been screwed over dozens of times in NZ by NZ referees. Oh and let’s add the marvelous SANZAAR panel in there too - applying the rules impartially when it comes to Saffas vs Kiwis 😉
@@tywoods7234 Yeah typical pathetic saffa response still blaming everyone else for their f*ck ups but themselves. lol
Thank you for this video. The perception in SA is that we are completely unwanted by NZlanders.
True, we on our own
@@Sindisile Awwww not the first time. lol
They did stab us in the back, they used us for our money and left us out to dry.
And we are not worried about being unwanted, we are the world champions and we can gladly take our viewership/sponsorship deals with us. They can praise themselves all they want, you will hear them crying soon after.
Hopefully you guys get all the success you guys deserve it, from a kiwi.
NZ administrators started this. They can have it. We will go North as they wish. They done milking the TV deals.
So u even know what your talking about m8
Money can make or break everything, I hope for the best decision that will be beneficial for rugby in general
It's all about television deals... follow the money
When NZ played SA in Loftus in 2019 and then AB came to sing with Gwijo Squad after we lost 😍😍
Springboks arent leaving, NZ Rugby and AU Rugby are kicking us out, due to financial reasons . NZ is under a false idea that RSA want to leave.
It's super rugby we wanna get rid of not championships.
They want their cake and eat it... They kicking arg and rsa out of the domestic super rugby but they still want 4n championship....now they pissing themselves cos rsa might leave that too.....the rivalry is and traveling times are watching early games suddenly are OK now... Before that was the biggest complaints....
I have for some time wanted to see a North-South setup where you have five teams in each.
North would go back to five nations for a two-year cycle, with a tier two of the next best five, with promotion-relegation. South would be the current four RC teams with a combined Islanders team as the fifth (like WI does for cricket).
Now, however, I am liking a timezone-based model. You'd have three zones: western, central and eastern.
Western would be around the Americas, so USA, Canada, Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina. Of course, the Pumas would clean up ... for a while. But give it a few seasons and we'll see something from the others, I'm sure.
Central would be EMEA, with the current 6N, SA, Spain, Georgia, and so on. You still have a two-tier system here, with a top five and the rest, promotion-relegation every two years.
Eastern would be the Australasia and PI teams. NZ, Aus, Japan, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, etc. Perhaps the PI as individuals, perhaps as a combined team.
Thoughts?
so i think i figured out what happened here.. it looks like it was rumored that sarfu, not us the fans, wanted to leave after 2023 RWC.. Check link dan mcgvn shared below.. NZ then cut the ties early to secure their own future.. Check my link below..
(My original post) We do not want to leave.. It is not SA that wants to leave, NZ started saying they're making a comp with the Aussies and Pacific Nations, which came as a surprise to us!
That is simply not true. There has been rumours of SA playing in the Northern Hemisphere for a couple of years now. Why wouldn't the NZ Rugby union look to make plans without SA?
But here in SA I have read articles and seen vids about this move being started and pushed from the Aussies? Or is the media just pushing agendas again?
It was the Aussies who wanted this
@@thomasmurray4496 agreed.Australia want a Trans Tasman comp.Obviously,because they will be the biggest beneficiaries of it.
@@danmcgivern4057 Rumours. Exactly what it is. Don't believe everything you read in the media. Majority of South Africa don't want Pro14 or the 6 Nations.
Springboks vs All Blacks are my favorite games to watch, I'm a massive NZ rugby fan and support them when they play (except when they play SA 😂) leaving and going to europe will be heartbreaking from a saffa perspective.
Massive respect for NZ they are rugby giants !
Strange listening to Tony Lamborn telling his story of waking up with his old man and mom making hot chocolate so they could watch NZ play in SA. That is precisely my story of watching SA play in NZ. I have particular memories of the 1981 test series with the "flour bomb" test.
I was in the army then. The only game we were going to watch were the Waikato game. Now I live about 2km from that stadium.
Ahhh Clingon are you a broken-hearted little racist then. I loved them for bombing us and our fascist regime.
As a South African I don’t actually care as I only watch and support the AB for many years!! You guys play magnificent rugby and don’t have politics interfere with your sport. Can’t wait for the new season and see what you bring!!
Hope SA stay put witn Southern Hemisphere sides. Two great rugby nations...SA and NZ
One of the most special things about SA vs NZ is that rugby union is no 1 popular sport in NZ and one of top 2 most popular in SA.
Nice video
New Zealand vs South Africa and South Africa its the Biggest Game in the WORLD .
Saying all That it would be AWESOME 2 See the BOKS UP NORTH ,,, But IT'S a NO for me . RUGBY really needs to be improving the 6 Nations and The Championship . We have 2 get the lesser known Teams into these Competitions and that's the bottom Line .
💯💯 SA vs AB in South Africa is the best game ever.
This makes me sad. The respect between these two mammoth rugby nations is legendary.
All black v Springboks - so many memories 🇿🇦
All Blacks always push our Springboks to our limit and force us to get better. As the world cup champs I think we are so hungry for a match with NZ to settle a Rugby Championship and World Cup rematch to set the record straight 😄
When I was kid I use to stay up with my dad sit by our radio and listen early hours of the morning to the all blacks vs boks and their provincial teams when they toured SA it's the greatest rugby rivalry I've ever known it would be a shame that the lure of money or other wise would ruin that.
As a South African if we leave it will be sad to loose the rival game SA vs ZN. Its always the best game to watch and vide is insane no matter if you in SA or in ZN
The two best teams in the world always head to head in the game but the respect after
New Zealand, Australia and the UK will get a lot of the Boers Blood within their bloodlines going forward. Can you imagine how Strong the Teams are going to be in 2 to 3 generations with the mix of all these Trojans and the cracking rugby we going to see going forward?
The way it's being portrayed to us is not that we chose to leave but were excluded. Sad because I love watching Bok/Kiwi games.
Bro we grow up with all blacks vs boks Throughout our school journey up until this day (21 now) . I hope we dont leave :(
i am a SA supporter ..but i am also a rugby supporter ...and in my world of rugby the haka and the all blacks is essential when i watch springbok rugby
I would also love to watch Tonga, Fiji, Samoa, and any other Pacific Island team get into a regular league of play. However, I'd be really sad if the bokke had to miss on playing against them too cause that would take Southern Hemisphere rugby to an amazing level
As a South African. I don't want to see this happen. NZ is our biggest foe. And that rivalry to hand won't be good for Rugby.
Luke Stoffels yeah totally
NZ can only get weaker and SA can only get stronger from this. The only constant is change.
@@mutafelaphiri4338 lol clueless
@@Me-ex7qg He thinks more money wins you World Cups lol
@@jamesmartin9711 You just can't admit that you're gonna get weaker lol. Playing against Argentina, Australia and Japan aren't gonna make NZ stronger. South Africa's being smart about it and moving on. If we join the six nations then its over for NZ because South Africa will constantly be playing against Wales, England, France and Ireland. We can only get stronger.
as a south african ,i always look forward to playing against new zealand and Australia as top teams
No worries mates... South Africa will soon be fielding their own All Black team.
Even stupid could see this coming....you don't get better by playing teams beneath you...
The bok /kiwi rugby rivalry is the best thing for rugby....
The fact that south Africa was the only country to win their series against the north is no accident...
Despite all the criticism against them,critics have failed to completely understand South Africa's ability to change ,be it very subtle change ,and adapt their play to the apponents they are facing....
The second test match against Wales taught them a lot,but it also taught the viewers like me a lot.
South Africa,s game will always be built around their front row,because no country can produce such calibre in their front row like south Africa can...imagine from mattfield to Eben,from Bakkies to Archie Snyman. C'mon which other country can do that...NZ is unable to do it,Australia can't do that.....no one can do that...
Do you think south Africa has only one Cheslin Kolby....you're kidding yourself....south Africa has dozens of them in the making...
In short no one can produce players the calibre of the Boks in such numbers...who have the tall and strong timber upfront and better still great numbers of them....guys like Franco Mostert and baby face ,I forget the guys name now...
NZ and Australia have been pinching pacific players to fill their jerseys for decades....,something south Africa needed to do ....
Now that pacific players are playing against NZ and aus,they will benefit even more than NZ and aus has from the stupid tournament that they've organised....
NZ needs too understand that lions don't get better by playing against sheep....they should dump the alliance they have with Australia and get back to playing rugby on all levels against their old for the Boks....who are going from strength to strength....
Everyone is going gaga over France,but I know that the Boks can and will defeat them ,of that I'm sure....we have done it before and we will do it again....it is nz that must fear the French ,not south Africa...
What if south Africa didn't experiment in the second test against Wales,they would have killed the series there and then...
Australia and NZ are suffering through shear stupidity....you can never improve if you want to play against the japanese,Fijians,Tongans and Samoans,those are second tier teams.....the problem with Australian rugby isn't rugby,it's about mismanagement off the field,it's about lost opportunities,players like Israel Folau were let go because of political expediency....
When Australian rugby ran into decline ,they looked to NZ to support there Pacific rugby plan ,but NZ was too dumb to see that the plan came about because Australian rugby went broke....with NZ on board south Africa got the flick and headed north....the end result is a wounded,limping Kiwi and a bruised kangaroo,they have no money,no depth in players and no freaking idea how to get out of the political rugby mess they're in....their brands are tainted and their supporters are pissed
The biggest and most intestine games ever are the SA v AB games .... SA fans want that, but time zones for ppl watching suck on TV rights whereas TV rights and the Pound/Euro to the Rand earnings will make a huge influence on what decision occurs to the comparison of $. I live in Aus and frankly feel the rugby has sucked here ever since Eddie Jones started to go off the plot towards end of Wallaby career. The Pacific region needs major major $ injection and it would be truly amazing to see growth of players and quality rugby for the region..... but if the AB and Boks could do a test series every year then that would cover all my bases of happiness rugby wise ..... and just maybe the interest and the quality of those tests would even go up coz lets face it based on current feelings the buys would be soooooo excited to play each other they would put every thing they have on the table for the games let alone to be in the squads...... its also really nice to hear the compliments these guys put out about how they want the Boks to stay .... thats a really nice thing to hear - respect!!!!!! We want NZ too!!
Best rivalry in sport. Period. Springboks vs All Blacks.
It’s the New Zealanders and Aussies that want us to go. Not us
The New Zealanders and Aussies hate the time zone travel as much as the Saffas do. But that has mainly to do with all the Super Rugby travel.
@@len2son you know, one would think that over the years our respective nations would of gotten used to that obstacle. Because this traveling obstacle should of made us all even tougher mentally and physically vs the north who aren't used to this amount of long distance travel. We should of embraced what is difficult so that we become even more stronger as rugby nations. Its only difficulty that builds a mans resolve
U r the current world champs. U do as u want. U have a big player base. May be u get 2 x teams; one to in the 6 nations and one in the 4 x nations. Whatever, let rugby be the winner .
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South Africa think of the Pacific Islands; when u had colour bar, they toured your nation. NZ has done enough for this Islanders over the years. OZ have included Fiji in their competion. NZ just have ABs games in their turf bar 1 x test in Samoa. Come nd play in the islands Boks. U r most welcome as the current Champs. Not has beens.
Why can't we have both? Play our season in the North, and then have a test series against the All Blacks, a best of 3, each year, rotating each year as to who hosts it.
@@tonedeaf_film 3 games in a span of 3 weeks once a year is too much? We already play twice in a year in rugby championship.
@@tonedeaf_film You Don't remember the intensity of the test series do you? Also, realise, would be no SR either SA vs NZ either. The only times SA and NZ would meet in any shape or form would be the test series. 3 matches, that's it. And ensuring 3, so a result, who wins the series, would make it epic. Just 3 a year is nothing when you consider would be zero super rugby etc. Wouldn't be any burn out with fans at all.
Alternating who hosts its each year would also keep it fresh, the fans getting to see home games would be a once every 2 years. The test series would be the only time anybody gets to see any sort of SA team vs NZ. Would be no SR fatigue. No Rugby Championship fatigue. There would be just 3 times a year when any sort of team from SA played against any sort of team from NZ and it would be high stakes, winner keeps the scalp.
@@tonedeaf_film Sure thing. Honestly, your response there is very refreshing, much respect back at you good sir.
A breath of fresh air if the Bokke move. The long distances (plus time differences), plus weak rand (!!!!) has taken its toll on SA. If this move happens then at least if nothing else Bokke will cash in BIG €£¥$ money. Now as world champions they have to make their move as hot currency=£££The Euro market also already know alot about the Bok players so they are even more relevant=€€€ If the Bokke and AB only played once every three years imagine how special those Tests will be! More money $$$!! Doesnt have to be permanent. 10 years. Maybe SA can then keep its players. I say go for it!!!!
**just one question: will the NH teams play in SA???
I really hope that we don't end up leaving the southern hemisphere. Our relationship with NZ is so important to us and no offence to other nations but the matches between NZ and RSA are by far our favourites, they feel like good old high school derbies. NZ and RSA have such a beautiful relationship on and off the field. And if we do leave it will be like a painful goodbye to and old endeared friend.
I think the boks should head up north at provincial level and international, and do year end tours south. I think the excitement of AB Bok games will come back once again, I'm also hoping the Aussies start playing well again.
I do not see the Boks move to the North as the end to the rivalry. In fact it will strengthen the challenge and make it more special. Maybe bring the longer tours back between the Boks and AB. That would be very special again. Playing 3 test and midweek games. Like the idea. Every 2nd or third year. Would be fantastic.
NZ will have a lot to lose ,if SA goes North .
There will still be opportunity for the Boks and AB's to play each other, pretty much every year. The six nations tournament does not go on all year long.
If I be honest so do the Boks, 6 nations is a different game and doesn't evolve as fast as southern hemisphere rugby.
South African here. Honestly, we need NZ way more than they need us. They keep us good, not vice versa.
The Europeans have it easy at the moment with the short travel times between games. If SA enters their competition, then all this changes. SA might end up having to play most of their games abroad, which is going to be bad for the SA rugby unions. By the time they realize their mistake, they would have alienated the Southern Hemisphere rugby unions and may not be welcomed back with open arms (and at a price).
In terms of time difference Europe is better
Seeing this video nearly a year later and speaking purely as a South African: When the Springboks aren't playing against the AB's, I can guarantee you than 80% of SAFAS will be cheering for the AB's. Always been like that and always will be!
Great video!!! From a big bokke fan
3 disabled fingers pressed the dislike button by mistake😅...
If someone at Sanzar is watching... Keep SA, NZ, Aus, Japan, Argentina, get a Pacific Team and sign a deal with RUclips.. They have the Money, infrastructure, online presence globally and the easiest way to get the most eyeballs to Rugby.
And so the bell tolls... NZ and SA need each other... we make each other great
Agree 100%,but i am exited about the financial giant that will form from a s.a - europe partnership. Feel for nz players and fans that have the same love for s.a vs nzl that i have but it also feels that they are pushing us out of sanzar and then saying its sad that we are leaving.
You can’t blame the Spring Boks for wanting to go to a competition they have a better chance at winning 😁😘
No you missing the point the South african rugby union was served a last minute noticed being informed they nolonger needed in the superugby and Pacifica island and Ausie have their own comp on the way .
Agree, One where they only have 15 opponents, not 18
@@ivanuboldi794 🤣🙏🏿
nr.1 It's Springboks
nr 2 Springboks only want AB blood, no one cares about the North.
Just making light lads, my S.A partner and I love our delightful banter. No one really knows where we will end up in the sports world but as long as we can continue to have fun and enjoy the spectacle, that’s all that counts. With love...
The ABs are awesome... it would be a tragedy. I hope the administrators can find a deal.
Whenever we (NZ) play the Boks it’s a coin flip who wins. That’s how good they are
The South African supporters wants to see the Springboks play the All Blacks. Period!! Its the ultimate test as a Springbok and a Springbok supporter. Super 12 in Super Rugby. maybe with a second tier. It will be perfect!!
Just a half an hours drive from home is Ellis Park where I watched a lot of Super Rugby when The Lions were playing so well against real foes: the top teams of New Zealand and Australia. Its sad that money and politics talks so much harder than brilliant rugby, history and respect between two great rugby playing nations.
I think there is enough talent in both SA and NZ to run two two teams. Then you have like 40 of your top players competing at the highest level. Has anyone thought of that? The two countries can play in both completions at the same time.
If Boks go North and I think financial realities will determine they will , it opens the door for a resumption of 3 and 5 match extended series between SA and NZ . No reason why that wouldn’t arguably be a better product than the Rugby Championship.
Guys , is not us , as in SA that want to go , the stance and actions taken by SANZAR are pushing this . SANZAR want a tournament with the island and any team bringing in the Yen . The North dont want SA in any of their tournaments . Beaumont would freeze in hell before SA played in any six nation type competition
Where did you read that nonsense that the Spingboks wanted to leave Superugby and that they don't want the Springboks up North in any tournament. Please get your facts straight
@@Paul-yq4fh mate I think you will find the opposite , SA have to beg for the scraps off the table from the mighty SANZAR , SA participation has never been beneficial to us or our Rugby teams playing in the super rugby competitions and TrI-Nations , Now that my friend is fact and very well documented , and as such any concessions requested have been turned down , from a get your facts straight perspective , just wondering who signed deal with FOX and have vocally pushed for the exclusion of South Africa from all existing competitions let me give you a clue it is not the Australians , dont be a typical key board warrior Please get your facts Straight , on your other factually incorrect statement , had you followed to fanfare around the election of Mr Beaumont you would KNOW that his campaign was and is based on keeping the six nations as it is as well as maintain the existing format of all domestic and continental competitions as they are . Mr Beaumont dislike of South Africa is well known and "factually " correct . Clown !!!
Warren Cowan the cash comes from SA tho for sanzaar, why wouod SA have to beg for scraps
@@Paul-yq4fh SA joining 6N definitely isn't wanted up North- not by the fans anyway
@@hanoitripper1809 which country has the most number of franchise teams in the competition ? , which countries had to remove 2 franchises each from the competition ? . (Whilst New Zealand dropped none ), which country now wants to add another franchise . Which two countries situated across the Tasman sea have majority control with respect to rule changes and new experimental laws ? . Which country has funded development in AUS/NEW ZEAL whilst receiving little to no actual commercial returns from this arrangement . This is not the way a commercial partnership works this is begging for scraps . When one country has to contribute more than the any of the other countries concerned and then not receive parity , this is begging for scraps . The long and short of it Sir , is that the AB want the YEN and want what the market in Japan can give them , Australia will not offer much resistance as they will follow New Zealand , the Rand has devalued and New Zealand want for returns on what the South African funding is currently able to deliver .
If SA go - ABs need organise more frequent and longer Northern tours. Including mid-week games...
I miss the Super 12-14 &Tri Nations days
As a sprinbok fan i would like to see SA compete in the UK. And compete in the six nations. It would be good to earn in pounds or Euro so to keep players in SA and it would keep our game strong. And maybe having a touring game from NZ, AUS every 2nd year
NO.
Very short sighted. Quality of rugby must come before money. Theres a reason only one NH nation has won the world cup...
I am a big fan of bringing back the old tours, less of the All blacks vs Boks is actually more...the mystery and aura of these tests will return
We need the championship. Super Rugby can go take a hike but as for the international game we can’t go North. We already have enough exposure in the domestic game but as the Boks we know the only international standard is the Boks v AB’s.
Please please please go back to SANZAR. Go back to S12, back to Tri-nations. No offense to Argentina or anyone else, but that is the best format we had, and was good for Rugby.
I think it'll be good. I think the aura around NZ RSA games has dulled because they are played so often. I'd enjoy an every other year series more.
SA only has one functioning international airline atm
As a Saffa, it would be a huge loss ... for all the reasons mentioned in the vid - for us it's always been the ultimate game, boks vs all blacks.
As a South African, I would love to know if this is due to covid-19? or is SA rugby trying to go other ways due to politics in this country?
Politics got nothing to do with this🤦
@@spy2sa54 I'll take your word for it then and just enjoy the sport for what it is! Blessings
I'm a South African, and I'm telling everyone rite now. If we go up and play in England and no longer play the All Blacks, than I will NOT support such a competition. As much as the Boks are in my DNA so is playing the All Blacks. I can NOT accept a Bok reality without the Best competition in the world. And that to me is the Blacks
Early reports were that the Boks were given the boot by NZ.Now the reality is beginning to set in were they to move to the North.
SA leaving would be sad but won't be detrimental to All Black nor Wallaby international competitiveness on the field. If you're talking World Cup, that's tournament rugby which is a different beast from test rugby and I still don't think SA & 6 Nations will have a major advantage, it's never proven so. It's about a viable 💰💵 professional rugby competition that keeps our players downunder and our coaches on their toes. Without SA players in our club competition we still have a depth of player talent in the Oceanic Asian region that is the envy of the world. It's the Money, honey.
We will see bro ..
Of course it will be to the ABs disadvantage. I also think it will be to SAs disadvantage. The support base for the ABs is very arrogant. I predicted their downfall from the no1 spot and not winning the RWC. Boy did I get owned for those comments.....until I was right. I can see from the outside that the ABs are on a downward curve. This will hurt the ABs, no doubt. And as a South African I love the ABs. I really do. I watch all the ABs games. I have great admiration for the team. Just calling it as I see it.
@@graeme8768 Northern Hemisphere ain't going to roll over for your peanuts yous have to offer enjoy playing rugby during the summer in Bloemfontein . lol
@@graeme8768 Although if you meet most ABs supporters, they aren't arrogant in person. YT is an unhealthy place to judge a nation of people cos 15yso are allowed to come on here and make comments! And obv a 15yo ABs supporter will be arrogant, cos the ABs have been world champs since they could remember
@@graeme8768 Not having regular contact with South African players is unfortunate but NOT a disadvantage as you might think. We have quality talent in players, coaches, feeder systems in NZ, Australia, Japan and the Pacific to have a viable professional club competition attracting corporate sponsors and broadcasting deals. That is all that is needed to develop players and coaching strategies for international competition. I hardly think that is being arrogant, the ANZAC spirit has always been to "give it a crack mate!" Regarding the rankings, Wales were #1 for 2 weeks from 19 Aug 2019, after Ireland def. Wales the ABs went top without even playing. Ireland def Wales again and became #1 on the 7th Sep 2019 through to the World cup, ABs went in 2nd. The points system is a weird one in which many variables are taken into consideration before points are subtracted and transferred between the sides at the determination of the match. At the same time because of a shortened Championship we only played each other once, SA won and the ABs lost to Australia and came third, but we beat them later 36 - 0. We also didn't have the Northern hemisphere test matches that allow for points gathering or losing, so it was obvious that the ABs might lose it's top spot before the WC, I don't think you're a visionary there. Regarding the WC winning Boks and the ABs they drew 16 all in Championship match in Wellington before the WC, and the last 2 matches before that were wins apiece in 2018, both by only 2 points, both wonderful games. Graeme, the professional era has levelled the playing field largely with the help of many of our players and coaches having gone not just north but all over the globe, just like South Africans too, to spread the rugby gospel. So to think that the ABs can stay #1 in rankings for large periods of time (85% since rankings began to 2020) probably has come to an end, as I have pointed out we ourselves have much to blame for that in our rugby pilgrimages and following the "money honey", sorry to inform you but you didn't possess a crystal ball on your own. We've still got something special downunder mate. Thanks for your thoughts anyway.