I’m glad that you’re prioritizing narrative over power levels, because yay, the power levels are occasionally just wrong. There ain’t no way Goku was only twice as strong as that farmer at the start of the series.
You are a very good powerscaler, there are only a few things I would change, this is a really great tier list. I want to point out tho that the logic of Kamehameha doubling the power level doesn't work for early DB, as Old King Piccolo didn't even flinch after Goku used the Kamehameha on him. That's why I always assumed that Goku's full power in the saiyan saga was like 700-800. At least young King Picccolo definitely could have tanked Roshi's Full power Kamehameha imo.
@@dimitri4888 Well old King Piccolo did say he wasn’t even using half his power on Goku. It’s just that power levels weren’t linear back then, so maybe it doubled power but not power level.
@weeaboo-warrior Yeah I know, also I shouldn't have said early DB, as Kamehameha probably doesn't double PL even in Z, that logic doesn't work well if you look for example at the Vegeta or Freeza fights. So imo Goku and Piccolo were supressed against Raditz until they used their signature techniques, like Raditz and Vegeta suggest. Their full power was probably at 700 or something.
Dragon ball is the reason why I started watching anime and of course it made me dive into the power levels Thank you with all my heart for the list ❤️🔥
Ooh, I'm very much looking forward to the rest of this series given Dragon Ball is probably my favorite franchise, especially in terms of discussions :D R.I.P. for not including my boi Piano when unnamed King's Guard and Bruce Lee Imposter got ranked tho' 😔
Popo better be at the top of every list or I'm unsurscribing. DBZA is canon and I will not be taking questions, thank you. In all seriousness, this was great. I grew up obsessively reading the series but haven't gone back and thought about these characters in a long, long time and it was a pleasant trip down memory lane. A very thorough and thoughtful list with your customary passion and attention to detail. See, this is why I always recommend your Kakuzu vs Pain debate to anyone I talk to about Naruto debates, for example, you do a lot of in-depth work and actually seem to enjoy it. For some strange reason, that combo is pretty rare. But it's appreciated.
@@Mikerille that won't be until super, and even then I don't think I will be discussing cosmology like that in these lists. I'll probably make a separate video talking about how powerful I really think the characters are.
@@weeaboo-warrior I see, you should be fine I suppose, real talk by the way, are you going to be adding gogeta for the super video? If so I’d like to mention that the current canon from toriyama sensei himself (rest in power) is that the boosts are equal, but with their higher tiers of power, gogeta lasts longer anyway. Just wanted to slip it in, considering most didn’t notice the statement, anyway, cheers, looking forward
I thought this was really good! As others have mentioned, I appreciate your inside thoughts on the events of the series contradicting what the guidebooks tell us, among other things. There is a lot of nuance, and you're well aware of it!
Awesome tier list i was waiting for this for a while, when do you planning to release your bleach tier list? can't wait for other parts for this list and i got another question, do you think beast gohan beats TUI goku or UE vegeta?
Peak video fr man I agree with it completely! I shall be there for the next ones too! Sorry if I missed a few videos to comment on I usually watch your videos on my TV.
Hey Weaboo!! Long time fan of DB and I just want to point out some upcoming characters whose strength are commonly misjudged by the community. 1. What Buu is the strongest (the manga points to super buu but the anime says kid buu. And 2. Adult Gohan (vs Dabura) is weaker than his ssj2 self that killed cell but should still be stronger than dabura and cell A great channel called LSM goes over these topics all the time. Love the videos and I’m excited to watch part 2!!
Great video/list and agree with almost every ranking. One thing I would disagree with is spopovich and Yamu's placement (and a as a result probably videl). I think simply being able to use generic ki blasts with relative ease probably puts them in the contender or champion tier
@@jonathansheehan6190 Videl can still be killed by bullets so I feel she should be below even beginning of series. At the very least beginning of series Goku. Yamu and Spopovich could be higher, but since Spopovich was holding back his power it’s hard to tell how strong he truly was. But remember, beginning of series Goku could shoot a kamehameha, so them being able to use a ki blast doesn’t really put them above him.
@@weeaboo-warrior Good points, your right they probably do scale pretty low then, my logic with the generic ki blasts is that we don't see characters until Tien capable of doing that casually, so I was putting that above early db Kamehameha use
@@jonathansheehan6190 technically in the manga Spopovich doesn't even use a ki blast, he uses a kia (ki shout) where a ki blast doesn't actually come out, it's more like a force push.
@@weeaboo-warrior oh damn, definitely didn't remember that, definitely concede your placement is correct then, love all the research you put in and looking forward to the next parts. Really interested where you put the humans in later z arcs
@@mandanakoohsari everything will be covered eventually, but it couldn’t fit all on one list. This is starting at the bottom and we are going to move our way up.
Considering how RR Roshi wouldn’t have had enough time to be significantly stronger than his 21st BT Self and Goku post Korin tower is magnitudes above his 21st BT self with them both being equal stat wise and yet Roshi thinks Goku is only “maybe” above him makes me think that he’s referring to his MAX Power that Goku scales to
@@weeaboo-warrior I feel like it’s the only one to make sense considering how little time he had to get stronger while Goku grew leaps and bounds and yet still compares to him
@@dinostar2894 maybe, but Roshi never actually uses his buff form in combat, so idk about him referring to that. also Goku seemed shocked after Black's mech suit destroyed the mountain, so I feel like he should be under max Roshi's destructive power. Stamina wise Goku is better though. Max power Roshi gets one kamehameha before he's almost completely out of energy.
@@weeaboo-warrior Thing is in Dragon Ball attacks are a lot weaker when not hitting what they intended, for example take Roshi who when going Max Power in the 1st Arc destroys a mountain but was only focusing on the Fire, meanwhile in the next arc he destroys the moon because he focuses on it Also looking at chapter 96 Goku looked less suprised about the mountain being suprised and more about it almost hitting him I guess it could be argued in PL terms that post Korin Goku is above Max Power Roshi in strength but Roshi has the Max Power Kamehameha which is stronger than Goku’s normal Kamehameha so he can augment his PL higher
@@dinostar2894 it's weird because Roshi had to go buff just to put out that fire, implying base Roshi is less than mountain level even though his full power is moon level. the whole Roshi scaling is weird.
Piccolo Jr should be above Goku since his Massive Explosion attack had Goku shaking and stating he had never seen this much Ki which would put it above his Super Kamehameha, and if you say Goku blocking it is an anti feat then earlier in the Fight in the Beam Clash Piccolo Jr tanked the Super Kamehameha with no scratches and only losing some clothes
@@dinostar2894 well Goku would have the highest base power level, and Piccolo would have the highest power level with his attack. it's kind of like against Raditz. Goku's power level was higher at first, but when Piccolo used the special beam cannon his power level became higher.
Old King Piccolo should be far above MAX Power Roshi from the 21st since Roshi believed him or Tien together could be enough which includes Tiens Kikoho and 22nd MAX Power Roshi which would be far above 21st MAX Power This is backed by how Goku, who at that point was above either of them, fired a Kamehameha at Old Piccolo and didn’t even scratch him despite being at less than 50% power
@@dinostar2894 22nd budokai Roshi never goes max power so he doesn’t really add anything to this equation since nothing scales Tien or Goku to him. I do think King Piccolo would survive the kamehameha though, hence I have him above. I also think King Piccolo could dodge it if he had to.
@@weeaboo-warrior Roshi believed nothing he could do would beat Piccolo which would include going MAX Power and blasting him which would be stronger than his previous showing but yes he never showed that in that arc because it would’ve been useless because A.Piccolo would’ve survived B.its not an efficient form (the Kamehameha itself is fast)
@@weeaboo-warrior Yeah I don’t think it’ll work because if he thought they couldn’t defeat him even together he probably thought of Tien using his Kikoho alongside him so him alone wouldn’t have done it either I can agree since characters on lower tiers like Yajirobe may scale to his level but doesn’t have any form of Destructive attack like the Kamehameha
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Whoa, a part 1? Can't wait until the other parts for the completed tier list, sounds epic!
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I’m glad that you’re prioritizing narrative over power levels, because yay, the power levels are occasionally just wrong. There ain’t no way Goku was only twice as strong as that farmer at the start of the series.
You are a very good powerscaler, there are only a few things I would change, this is a really great tier list.
I want to point out tho that the logic of Kamehameha doubling the power level doesn't work for early DB, as Old King Piccolo didn't even flinch after Goku used the Kamehameha on him. That's why I always assumed that Goku's full power in the saiyan saga was like 700-800.
At least young King Picccolo definitely could have tanked Roshi's Full power Kamehameha imo.
@@dimitri4888 Well old King Piccolo did say he wasn’t even using half his power on Goku. It’s just that power levels weren’t linear back then, so maybe it doubled power but not power level.
@weeaboo-warrior Yeah I know, also I shouldn't have said early DB, as Kamehameha probably doesn't double PL even in Z, that logic doesn't work well if you look for example at the Vegeta or Freeza fights.
So imo Goku and Piccolo were supressed against Raditz until they used their signature techniques, like Raditz and Vegeta suggest. Their full power was probably at 700 or something.
Gaps in general are a different ratio for OG, yet they still work
@weeaboo-warrior Do you agree with my last reply?
Always nice to see someone talk about the og dragon ball.
@@philippeissa4550 yeah, it doesn’t get talked about enough, both in regards to story and power scaling.
Dragon ball is the reason why I started watching anime and of course it made me dive into the power levels
Thank you with all my heart for the list ❤️🔥
Thank you very much! Dragon ball is one of my favorite series of all time!
Ooh, I'm very much looking forward to the rest of this series given Dragon Ball is probably my favorite franchise, especially in terms of discussions :D
R.I.P. for not including my boi Piano when unnamed King's Guard and Bruce Lee Imposter got ranked tho' 😔
@@creeperman1295 Piano was left out because he has no scaling.
Looks good. It’s nice seeing all these og Dragon ball characters being covered.
thanks, OG dragon ball needs more love!
Can't wait till part 2
Me neither!
Homie tackling the big guns again
@@lordgreed1 the biggest!
Popo better be at the top of every list or I'm unsurscribing. DBZA is canon and I will not be taking questions, thank you.
In all seriousness, this was great. I grew up obsessively reading the series but haven't gone back and thought about these characters in a long, long time and it was a pleasant trip down memory lane. A very thorough and thoughtful list with your customary passion and attention to detail. See, this is why I always recommend your Kakuzu vs Pain debate to anyone I talk to about Naruto debates, for example, you do a lot of in-depth work and actually seem to enjoy it. For some strange reason, that combo is pretty rare. But it's appreciated.
@@JonTheMaven thanks, that means a lot! Hopefully I continue to meet your lofty expectations!
YES I cant wait for the other parts to come out
@@Noone-xf9uu I’m glad you are excited!
So far, well done. I will return with part 2, for judgment.
@@Mikerille yeah this wasn’t a very controversial list. I think it probably gets more controversial with each part, haha.
@@weeaboo-warrior as long as you’ve updated it based on our discussion of the macrocosm, otherwise I’ll cry
@@Mikerille that won't be until super, and even then I don't think I will be discussing cosmology like that in these lists. I'll probably make a separate video talking about how powerful I really think the characters are.
@@weeaboo-warrior I see, you should be fine I suppose, real talk by the way, are you going to be adding gogeta for the super video? If so I’d like to mention that the current canon from toriyama sensei himself (rest in power) is that the boosts are equal, but with their higher tiers of power, gogeta lasts longer anyway. Just wanted to slip it in, considering most didn’t notice the statement, anyway, cheers, looking forward
I thought this was really good! As others have mentioned, I appreciate your inside thoughts on the events of the series contradicting what the guidebooks tell us, among other things. There is a lot of nuance, and you're well aware of it!
great video, earned my like and subscribing!
@@kaikemattos26 thank you! Great of you to join us!
Get ready for an unusually heated comment section as this goes along
@@ojpickle5923 yeah I’m expecting that, lol
This is amazing
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00:15 bro...WHAT?!? So I guess we're not going to talk about this 😂
@@dtay8913 first rule of weeaboo club. Ignore all weirdness.
Awesome tier list i was waiting for this for a while, when do you planning to release your bleach tier list? can't wait for other parts for this list and i got another question, do you think beast gohan beats TUI goku or UE vegeta?
so glad Weaboo covered dragin ball finally
@@spincycle6724 with all the dragon ball stuff releasing now I thought it was the perfect time!
@@weeaboo-warrior good choice
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Great video!
@@rodthedigger2902 thank you!
Peak video fr man I agree with it completely! I shall be there for the next ones too! Sorry if I missed a few videos to comment on I usually watch your videos on my TV.
great tierlist brother
@@andremunoz7597 thank you!
Hey Weaboo!! Long time fan of DB and I just want to point out some upcoming characters whose strength are commonly misjudged by the community.
1. What Buu is the strongest (the manga points to super buu but the anime says kid buu. And
2. Adult Gohan (vs Dabura) is weaker than his ssj2 self that killed cell but should still be stronger than dabura and cell
A great channel called LSM goes over these topics all the time.
Love the videos and I’m excited to watch part 2!!
@@ashtonxii thanks for your input. And yeah, I’ve watched LSM. He is pretty knowledgeable.
@@weeaboo-warrior ofc man I always enjoy your videos! Keep up the great work!!
@@ashtonxii will do!
Great video/list and agree with almost every ranking. One thing I would disagree with is spopovich and Yamu's placement (and a as a result probably videl). I think simply being able to use generic ki blasts with relative ease probably puts them in the contender or champion tier
@@jonathansheehan6190 Videl can still be killed by bullets so I feel she should be below even beginning of series. At the very least beginning of series Goku. Yamu and Spopovich could be higher, but since Spopovich was holding back his power it’s hard to tell how strong he truly was. But remember, beginning of series Goku could shoot a kamehameha, so them being able to use a ki blast doesn’t really put them above him.
@@weeaboo-warrior Good points, your right they probably do scale pretty low then, my logic with the generic ki blasts is that we don't see characters until Tien capable of doing that casually, so I was putting that above early db Kamehameha use
@@jonathansheehan6190 technically in the manga Spopovich doesn't even use a ki blast, he uses a kia (ki shout) where a ki blast doesn't actually come out, it's more like a force push.
@@weeaboo-warrior oh damn, definitely didn't remember that, definitely concede your placement is correct then, love all the research you put in and looking forward to the next parts. Really interested where you put the humans in later z arcs
Dang Weaboo deserves more recogniton
Nice
there's gotta be like 60 tiers in this xD
you aren't far off, lmao
I AM HERE
Thanks All Might!
When is part 2 gonna come please make it your next video
@@mandanakoohsari it won’t be too long. It’s likely the next video I release.
Make a Tokyo ghoul list please
Is this only about the original siries or z and super too please have super and z too
@@mandanakoohsari everything will be covered eventually, but it couldn’t fit all on one list. This is starting at the bottom and we are going to move our way up.
@@weeaboo-warriorI think it’s cause roshi was rustier during that arc but he got back in shape for the tournament
Considering how RR Roshi wouldn’t have had enough time to be significantly stronger than his 21st BT Self and Goku post Korin tower is magnitudes above his 21st BT self with them both being equal stat wise and yet Roshi thinks Goku is only “maybe” above him makes me think that he’s referring to his MAX Power that Goku scales to
@@dinostar2894 that’s possible but I don’t think he was talking about his max power form.
@@weeaboo-warrior I feel like it’s the only one to make sense considering how little time he had to get stronger while Goku grew leaps and bounds and yet still compares to him
@@dinostar2894 maybe, but Roshi never actually uses his buff form in combat, so idk about him referring to that. also Goku seemed shocked after Black's mech suit destroyed the mountain, so I feel like he should be under max Roshi's destructive power. Stamina wise Goku is better though. Max power Roshi gets one kamehameha before he's almost completely out of energy.
@@weeaboo-warrior Thing is in Dragon Ball attacks are a lot weaker when not hitting what they intended, for example take Roshi who when going Max Power in the 1st Arc destroys a mountain but was only focusing on the Fire, meanwhile in the next arc he destroys the moon because he focuses on it
Also looking at chapter 96 Goku looked less suprised about the mountain being suprised and more about it almost hitting him
I guess it could be argued in PL terms that post Korin Goku is above Max Power Roshi in strength but Roshi has the Max Power Kamehameha which is stronger than Goku’s normal Kamehameha so he can augment his PL higher
@@dinostar2894 it's weird because Roshi had to go buff just to put out that fire, implying base Roshi is less than mountain level even though his full power is moon level. the whole Roshi scaling is weird.
I'm gonna speak in an upwards inflection.. pause for 1 second, complete thought on a downwards inflection
@@VoltVein hey, don’t copy me
Piccolo Jr should be above Goku since his Massive Explosion attack had Goku shaking and stating he had never seen this much Ki which would put it above his Super Kamehameha, and if you say Goku blocking it is an anti feat then earlier in the Fight in the Beam Clash Piccolo Jr tanked the Super Kamehameha with no scratches and only losing some clothes
@@dinostar2894 Goku won the fight though. Piccolo has a stronger attack, but Goku overall is the slightly stronger fighter.
@@weeaboo-warrior oh yeah obviously but I was thinking in terms of the Tierlist that Piccolo should be above since he would’ve had the Highest PL
@@dinostar2894 well Goku would have the highest base power level, and Piccolo would have the highest power level with his attack. it's kind of like against Raditz. Goku's power level was higher at first, but when Piccolo used the special beam cannon his power level became higher.
@@weeaboo-warrior Yeah Goku would have a base PL of 410 going by Kamehameha (910/924x416) and Piccolo scaled similarly would be at 402
Where's Annin?
@@granvilledavid7814 I only included manga canon characters
Old King Piccolo should be far above MAX Power Roshi from the 21st since Roshi believed him or Tien together could be enough which includes Tiens Kikoho and 22nd MAX Power Roshi which would be far above 21st MAX Power
This is backed by how Goku, who at that point was above either of them, fired a Kamehameha at Old Piccolo and didn’t even scratch him despite being at less than 50% power
@@dinostar2894 22nd budokai Roshi never goes max power so he doesn’t really add anything to this equation since nothing scales Tien or Goku to him. I do think King Piccolo would survive the kamehameha though, hence I have him above. I also think King Piccolo could dodge it if he had to.
@@weeaboo-warrior Roshi believed nothing he could do would beat Piccolo which would include going MAX Power and blasting him which would be stronger than his previous showing but yes he never showed that in that arc because it would’ve been useless because A.Piccolo would’ve survived B.its not an efficient form (the Kamehameha itself is fast)
@@dinostar2894I agree it wouldn’t have worked, but I think his raw destructive power is vastly above the characters in the tier below.
@@weeaboo-warrior Yeah I don’t think it’ll work because if he thought they couldn’t defeat him even together he probably thought of Tien using his Kikoho alongside him so him alone wouldn’t have done it either
I can agree since characters on lower tiers like Yajirobe may scale to his level but doesn’t have any form of Destructive attack like the Kamehameha
@@dinostar2894 power wise I don't think Tien could add much, but maybe Tien blinding Piccolo with a solar flare could be a good tactic.