getting me to yell at my screen "dismount the captain and go prone!" like I was watching England play football means you must have done an amazing job with the battle report! nice one Jacob, love your video's mate.
same here, losing the captain like this was a shame. Search for cover und keep your head down low. Don't die stupidly :D The captain alive at the target terrain would be 3 points for capturing the terrain piece, 3 points for keeping your captain alive with no wounds taken and would have denied the opponent 3 points for killing the target hero. Thew the game away with one movement mistake 😬😂
Hahaha I am glad I could get that level of hype! The good thing is because Glorfindel botched his combat it wouldn't have changed the result but dismounting and going prone is a super sneaky tactic that even veteran players might not think of I am definitely going to look out for that next time I really need to keep someone safe
I love how you do your battle reports, so many channels just film the whole thing and it can get really boring at times. Your combination of showing highlights except for important rolls is great! Looking forward to the next match!
Hey buddy just wanted to say this is absolutely amazing. The setup has really gotten me excited for this battle report and I have squads I'm rooting for! This was genius and I think really elevated your channel even more. I'm going to reach out to you about ordering some stuff from the store, keep up the great work my friend!
I'm probably a but late to the party, but this is the best SBG battle report I've ever seen (my first Conquest Creations report). It was a prefect length, exampled details well and was a great at explain tactics as they unraveled. I'm excited about the new SBG system thanks to you guys!
Great batrep, I'm looking forward to teh other batreps. I do have some rules questions regarding this game: - Shouldn't the ballista need an in-the-way test for the rocks when it was shooting on the captain? As this is a rock, it might have even been a 5+ to get past it or did I miss something? - Shouldn't the game keep on for 1 extra turn because you only start to roll for it in a turn at in which 1 force has been broken at the start of the turn. As this is a knock out event, how will you treat a tie? Thanks in advance
yeah the ballista shot could have one in the way but not 100%. As a viewer we can't check line of sight. Maybe from the top of the ballista it was clear line of sight. Otherwise it's a clear oversight and almost game breaking if the captain wouldn't die because the shot of the ballista would hit the rock 😂
Regarding the ending condition of the game, again we can't count precisely as a viewer, but in seems like it was the second round for the elves bering broken. Therfore at the beginning of the turn the elves where broken, did test courage and moved. At the end of the turn the a 2 was rolled and the game ended. Maybe the courage test where cut out because the last elves all made it. With courage 5, 6 and 7 its not a surprise :D
Thanks for the comment! Constantin was right about the Ballista line of sight. We drew line of sight from the tip of the Ballista and because the rocks were low it had a clear shot. The good thing is that even if the captain had survived the result would not have changed. If I recall correctly the elves had been reduced to 50% of there models the turn before and then this was there first turn of being broken. This might have just gotten missed in the filming. I have no idea what we will do if there is a tie hahahah. Maybe the player with the most points still alive in there army? What do you think
@@ConquestCreations Thanks for the answer. There are several options to solve a tie. Some things that come to my mind are: - The player with more kills made by his general will win (although this might be a bit unfair as this might have influenced the list building process) - A certain win condition is marked as being the primary mission. However completes this mission first wins (for example the player who gets the first mini over the opponent's board edge in recon) - In case of a tie you keep playing additional turns until there is a winner - You could choose let's say 6 secondary missions that decide a tie. Ideally these missions are split into an easy, a normal and a hard part to avoid a 2nd tie
Great video, however I think I spotted an incorrect play by Glorfindel at 17:00, Glorfindel bypasses around 4 uruks that are not in combat and charges a separate packs of uruks. So I think he ignore the engagement zone rule?
Thanks for the comment. You are always allowed to leave an enemy's model control zone if you start inside it. This is what Glorfindel did in this case. So he was all good to go and charge the other guys
Great report guys. Only one thing I noticed: according to new FAQ, when a siege engine hits a combat it has to be rolled like a shooting attack, instead it was played as a straight it into the target, which did some damage that Brodie may have avoided. EDIT: My bad, I guess the game was recorded before the FAQ.
A previous FAQ in armies of Lord of the Rings describes how dwarf ballistae work, and they have exactly the same rule (piercing shot) as the Isengard one. And for that you have to roll to see who is hit, but everyone in the combat takes a S9 hit, it is just the person actually hit who gets flung.
Awesome video, one thing though: I may have this wrong, but the Uruk Hai cap only kills 1 elf @14:00, and then moves again, but didnt he charge both elves? And at 14:55, Brody says the knight backs away towards the warrior in order to exchange the banner. Can he do that though? A model MUST back away in a straight as possible line from the model he was in combat with, right? There was plenty of room to do so. Not not picking you guys, just trying to see if I got my rules right
1) It seems to me that the Uruk-hai Captain and his supports would have taken the other elf down, too (though not 100% sure). If this is the case, they just forgot to remove the other elf as a casualty. 2) A model must back away in a straight line but it doesn't have to be directly away. Example: Let's say warrior 1 and Warrior 2 are fighting. Warrior 1 is directly north of Warrior 2. Warrior 1 loses and has to back away. He can back away (a) due east, (b) due west, or (c) in any other angle in between. Start of fight: 1 2 (a) 1 2 (b) 1 2 I hope that explains the back away rule.
Great video! Glorfindell could have feinted in the last combat agaist the shaman, bc with fight 7 against fight4 of the shaman, he would probably have won the combat, and that way he could have reroll the two ones plus the reroll of lord of the west.
This would have been a great idea. Its so easy to forget about feinting especially at the end of a long game. I also think brodie was planning on rolling a bit better to begin with hahaha
Absolutely fantastic! And one question: 12:05 wait... To Hit - okay, Scatter - okay, but... why didn't they roll for In The Way to see, if the Rivendell Knight or that Uruk-hai he was fighting against was the initial hit? If an arrow hits a fight you must first resolve, which one of the participants was hit. They just assumed, the Rivendell Knight had been hit automatically... Am I right that this is a mistake or is it really so in the rules?
GG to Will, that was unexpected. Ballista the mvp, shaman resisted like a boss. Great game, looking forward for the next. Great painting of the Rivendell.
Foremost, excellent presentation and concept. This is a very solid and entertaining production. Please continue your success. I do have some concerns however. Movement is very sloppy. Based on Control Zones it is literally impossible for the first piece in to contact two models. Also, when manoeuvring a piece around another, (the Uruk Captin wrapping around-great idea part 14:04) you must skirt one inch, the you can circle back and contact. You cannot leave base to base contact unless you flee. As the Uruk was allowed to contact 2 bases (illegally as discussed above) he would have had to stay there and dedicate the next combat to the remaining elf. This may seem pedantic but it is fundamental and critical aspect of the game. Isengard would not have gotten the manoeuvre advantage initially. Once a Control Zone is dropped, by all means, pile in. But until then I politely suggest tightening up on how the pieces move. As for tactics, shoo at Uruk-hai is almost pointless. Better to seperate them and then isolate by fire before charging. Yet to each their own. All the written, if I am incorrect please tell me how, so I can learn. At this point, were this CANCON, I would object strongly Lastly, I want to refocus on how good this presentation is, not just on its own, but compared to many others out there. Do not let my corrections or observations dismiss that. Instead, if I am correct, use it to make a great product a tad better. Cheers
Hey mate, thanks for the comment. I appreciate well thought out feedback. We got the moment right here. You absolutely can charge two models with one model. Once you enter a models control zone you must stay within it but you may move however you would like while you are inside it meaning that you may charge multiple models. In the case with the Uruk Hai captain, he charged the two elves and then the other Uruks charged one of the elves. This splits the fight off into two one on one fights. This means that the Uruk Hai captain after killing his opponent was free to go into the Rivendell knight because he was no longer fighting the other elf. Additionally because that elf was in combat he no longer had a control zone. Again thanks for the feedback! Any and all criticism is encouraged I am trying to make the best possible battle reports!
Excellent. Thank you for taking the time to reply and to help me understand the game mechanics better. Is that referenced in an errata? I was unable to find it in the core rules.
Love the channel, and all your shows really. Got me into playing mesbg. After listening to alistair king talking about dwarves, i now have army of thror and mordor. I am curious about you printed khazad dum army, and the possibility of custom orders. Do you only do the stuff and set on the shop, or can i add and remove for no great extra charge? And could we get more league games, need my fix😁
Really pumped for this League and great opener. Not the result Brodie was hoping for, but from one Rivendell player to another, I think Brodie will learn a lot from this game and has big things in his future
Absolutely legal! You wouldn't be able to play them in a Games Workshop but I have play with them all the time. You will start to see them in a lot of our battle reports soon
Really fun battle to watch. Quick question. Why didn’t the ballista have to take in the way roll for the captain behind the rocks. I know they weren’t large but they still obstructed part of the horse?
Great question! Thanks for the comment For the ballista we drew line of sight from the tip of the bolt which meant that it had a slightly higher vantage point and because of this the captain wasn't obscured at all. I am not completely confident that it was the right call but the good thing is that even if the captain had survived the result would not have changed. If you have an info on where to draw line of sight from for a ballista let me know!
@@Letheris Most armies will play more or less how they look like they should, and player skill will trump army choice in this game most of the time, its very well balanced. Pick something you like the look of and decide if the playstyle appeals to you.
@@Letheris for competitive stuff check out An Unexpected Podcast (DC Hobbit League on RUclips) and the Green Dragon Podcast (soundcloud). They discuss all kinds of armies.
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Enjoyed that a lot and hope there are more of these tournaments after! Might not be a popular opinion but would like to see more of the dice rolls on the combats.
Siege engines are disgusting and the legion ballista even more so. I think Brodie played that really well getting his captain on the objective all alone and then siege weapons being God tier just instantly swung everything the other way. To me what happened there is a place where the rules don't really make sense. The point of a siege weapon is it's inaccurate which is why it only hits its intended target on a roll of a 6. But when there are no other models nearby suddenly its pinpoint accurate and only misses that exact guy on a 1. I would like to see a rule where maybe 2-3 is you pass it off as you would now but if there are no suitable targets (other than the initial) its a miss and if u get 4-5 then u pass it off exactly as u would now in the rules so the lone guy would get hit. It shouldnt be easier to be accurate shooting at one man compared to an entire battle line.
huge mistake by Rivendell player having his Captain go for the terrain piece. While the terrain grab would be worth 3 pts, he gave away 6 guaranteed points (+3 for him keeping the Captain alive, and -3 pts for his opponent for denying him killing the Captain). ... If he just kept him safe behind that building, he would've been much better off.... Also the earlier charge on the left flank by the knights into the Uruks was unnecessary. Put them at risk of the ballista when he could've just kept them safe behind the building for another turn or two.... would've been able to help in the middle and those 5-6 Uruks on that flank would've needed 2-3 turns to move all the way around and join the combat.... Enjoyable game and very nice video report, but the errors were tough to overlook.
I actually think going for the terrain piece was the right call. Because its an elimination tournament even if you only loose by one point you are still eliminated. If Brodie wanted to win he needed to get the 3 points for staying alive, 3 points for taking the terrain piece, and he needed to get the kill with Glorfindel on the shaman. If he didn't go for the terrain piece his best outcome would have been a draw. It was obviously a risk but he was behind so needed to take a risk to stay in the game. This time it didn't pay off. As far as the nights go I would agree with you
@@ConquestCreations The problem is with the legion ballista especially and siege weapons in general what happened was probably at least an 80% chance of occurring. Re-rolls to hit and to scatter almost guaranteed that captain was taking the hit which at minimum takes him off the objective and denies 3 points or as we saw kills him for a 9 point swing. Not disagreeing with you I think Brodie had to do it but this is a huge issue with siege engines in my opinion. It's not like a mounted elf captain (a pretty strong combat model) could even try to go for the ballista as you need to take friends with you to scatter on to or your guaranteed dead. Unless u send half your army across the board and lose most of them on the way you just can't kill a siege engine, giving it free reign to do whatever it wants and basically give Will a guaranteed win in this particular game as he wasn't ever losing that terrain piece with the ballista surrounded by open ground and with LOS to basically every piece of terrain in his half.
Its a damn shame Davelle MASSIVELY overcharges for this shit. Dude thinks he's the Games Workshop of 3d printing or something. I was interested in the cave trolls, but I sure as fuck aint paying 25 DOLLARS for an STL file.. fuck that... I'll just pay 30 for the damn Troll from GW itself at that point! Least it wont break as easily.
while it was an enjoyable game, I cannot stop the feeling that it was skewed against the ballista. Ive never seen this much sightblocking terrain on any of your tables (or any tables at all for that matter), especially concentrated in the middle of the board like that. And the *huge area of line of sight* turn 2 was like 5 inches wide... xD and like 1/6th of the board. while it may be interesting watching the elven ballet and the ballista scooting across the board for once all game...it is not the most exciting nor the most tactical gaming material. That rivendell captain shouldve gotten his in the way for the rocks still. Poor guy.
the game is actually supposed to be played with about a third of the board being taken up by terrain. This is one of the few boards I've seen that gets it right.
Thanks for the comment. Overwhelmingly people don't use enough terrain for this game including myself. This is the most line of sight blocking terrain I have used so far but the game is best with heaps of terrain making it tricky to manuver and get easy shots. It just goes to show how good the ballista is when even with this amount of terrain it was still devastatingly powerful!
Strong disagree. The ballista won the game and basically set up a situation where the isengard player couldn't lose as they could see pretty much all the terrain pieces in their half and had a huge open field around them to prevent any approaches. With reroll hits and scatters that elf captain was dead on that turn or the next guaranteed. If u set up a board where it's any harder to hide half the elves would have been dead before combat. I have strong feelings about siege engines being bad for the game and I know others don't feel as strongly but for me this is the bare minimum terrain u need if there is a siege weapon in the game. If no siege engines and you want a more open board go for it but siege engines are too game breaking imo and they need tables with a heap of terrain to even give the other player a fighting chance. This is especially true for the isengard legion ballista which i still can't believe is a thing that actually exists in a game that is supposed to be fun. No fun is being had with that thing on the table. Edit: Finally u mentioned it being not being tactical with that much terrain. The alternative is the elves march to the slaughter and are almost wiped before any fighting happens. Where are the tactics in that?
@@Jewus19 nah totally get it. Most of the time less terrain isn't a big deal. It takes that siege weapon to realise how important a good terrain mix is to giving some balance.
getting me to yell at my screen "dismount the captain and go prone!" like I was watching England play football means you must have done an amazing job with the battle report! nice one Jacob, love your video's mate.
same here, losing the captain like this was a shame. Search for cover und keep your head down low. Don't die stupidly :D The captain alive at the target terrain would be 3 points for capturing the terrain piece, 3 points for keeping your captain alive with no wounds taken and would have denied the opponent 3 points for killing the target hero. Thew the game away with one movement mistake 😬😂
Hahaha I am glad I could get that level of hype! The good thing is because Glorfindel botched his combat it wouldn't have changed the result but dismounting and going prone is a super sneaky tactic that even veteran players might not think of
I am definitely going to look out for that next time I really need to keep someone safe
@@CapitanCorner It's amazing how easy it is to see those moves when you're watching, and so easy to miss them when you're playing!
Wow a great battle! The balista seems totaly broken though. :D Shooting as fast as an archer and turning instantly.. That is rough. :D
I love how you do your battle reports, so many channels just film the whole thing and it can get really boring at times.
Your combination of showing highlights except for important rolls is great! Looking forward to the next match!
Thanks mate, I really appreciate the feedback. There are a lot more of these battle reports on the way
Hey buddy just wanted to say this is absolutely amazing. The setup has really gotten me excited for this battle report and I have squads I'm rooting for! This was genius and I think really elevated your channel even more. I'm going to reach out to you about ordering some stuff from the store, keep up the great work my friend!
I'm probably a but late to the party, but this is the best SBG battle report I've ever seen (my first Conquest Creations report). It was a prefect length, exampled details well and was a great at explain tactics as they unraveled. I'm excited about the new SBG system thanks to you guys!
Thanks mate! Welcome to Middle Earth
Finally it's ooooon!
Edit (SPOILER)
Wouldn't the Ballista have needed to make an In the Way test for the rock the Captain was behind?
My thoughts exaclty
So keen for this, proud to say I'm doing my little part to support the channel through the shop
Battle Report is next level! Looking forward to the next one
Thanks mate! I love making these. It'll be out in a fortnight
That Evil guy got lucky with dices, everything went his way x) Crazy.
Great batrep, I'm looking forward to teh other batreps.
I do have some rules questions regarding this game:
- Shouldn't the ballista need an in-the-way test for the rocks when it was shooting on the captain? As this is a rock, it might have even been a 5+ to get past it or did I miss something?
- Shouldn't the game keep on for 1 extra turn because you only start to roll for it in a turn at in which 1 force has been broken at the start of the turn.
As this is a knock out event, how will you treat a tie?
Thanks in advance
yeah the ballista shot could have one in the way but not 100%. As a viewer we can't check line of sight. Maybe from the top of the ballista it was clear line of sight. Otherwise it's a clear oversight and almost game breaking if the captain wouldn't die because the shot of the ballista would hit the rock 😂
Regarding the ending condition of the game, again we can't count precisely as a viewer, but in seems like it was the second round for the elves bering broken. Therfore at the beginning of the turn the elves where broken, did test courage and moved. At the end of the turn the a 2 was rolled and the game ended. Maybe the courage test where cut out because the last elves all made it. With courage 5, 6 and 7 its not a surprise :D
Thanks for the comment! Constantin was right about the Ballista line of sight. We drew line of sight from the tip of the Ballista and because the rocks were low it had a clear shot. The good thing is that even if the captain had survived the result would not have changed. If I recall correctly the elves had been reduced to 50% of there models the turn before and then this was there first turn of being broken. This might have just gotten missed in the filming.
I have no idea what we will do if there is a tie hahahah. Maybe the player with the most points still alive in there army? What do you think
@@ConquestCreations Thanks for the answer.
There are several options to solve a tie. Some things that come to my mind are:
- The player with more kills made by his general will win (although this might be a bit unfair as this might have influenced the list building process)
- A certain win condition is marked as being the primary mission. However completes this mission first wins (for example the player who gets the first mini over the opponent's board edge in recon)
- In case of a tie you keep playing additional turns until there is a winner
- You could choose let's say 6 secondary missions that decide a tie. Ideally these missions are split into an easy, a normal and a hard part to avoid a 2nd tie
Great video, however I think I spotted an incorrect play by Glorfindel at 17:00, Glorfindel bypasses around 4 uruks that are not in combat and charges a separate packs of uruks. So I think he ignore the engagement zone rule?
Thanks for the comment.
You are always allowed to leave an enemy's model control zone if you start inside it. This is what Glorfindel did in this case. So he was all good to go and charge the other guys
Love this battle reports! I learn a lot as I'm new to the game 🙂👌
Love the editing and commentary. These quick 25 minute battle report videos are great.
Thanks mate I appreciate the comment. I would love to get one of your spectacular armies on the camera at some point!
@@ConquestCreations Yeah Absolutely man
This is awesome! Great game, can’t wait for the next one!
Thanks mate! It's on its way
Awesome vid, well edited. Nice and quick so easy to watch.
Thanks mate! That was the goal. Hopefully they get better and better as we go
Solid report! Looking forward to the rest of the league!
Thanks mate! Its on the way!
Great report guys. Only one thing I noticed: according to new FAQ, when a siege engine hits a combat it has to be rolled like a shooting attack, instead it was played as a straight it into the target, which did some damage that Brodie may have avoided.
EDIT: My bad, I guess the game was recorded before the FAQ.
yeah in the future siege engines will be weaker and can't shoot in combat like this. With a 50/50 roll its less competitive
A previous FAQ in armies of Lord of the Rings describes how dwarf ballistae work, and they have exactly the same rule (piercing shot) as the Isengard one. And for that you have to roll to see who is hit, but everyone in the combat takes a S9 hit, it is just the person actually hit who gets flung.
Deam! Amazing how you build the Battle report up 🤩. You have evolved a lot. I love it! Goos job 👍
Thanks mate! Its crazy looking at the old videos we have gone a long way
Awesome video, one thing though: I may have this wrong, but the Uruk Hai cap only kills 1 elf @14:00, and then moves again, but didnt he charge both elves?
And at 14:55, Brody says the knight backs away towards the warrior in order to exchange the banner. Can he do that though? A model MUST back away in a straight as possible line from the model he was in combat with, right? There was plenty of room to do so.
Not not picking you guys, just trying to see if I got my rules right
1) It seems to me that the Uruk-hai Captain and his supports would have taken the other elf down, too (though not 100% sure). If this is the case, they just forgot to remove the other elf as a casualty.
2) A model must back away in a straight line but it doesn't have to be directly away.
Example: Let's say warrior 1 and Warrior 2 are fighting. Warrior 1 is directly north of Warrior 2. Warrior 1 loses and has to back away. He can back away (a) due east, (b) due west, or (c) in any other angle in between.
Start of fight:
1
2
(a)
1
2
(b)
1
2
I hope that explains the back away rule.
Great video! Glorfindell could have feinted in the last combat agaist the shaman, bc with fight 7 against fight4 of the shaman, he would probably have won the combat, and that way he could have reroll the two ones plus the reroll of lord of the west.
This would have been a great idea. Its so easy to forget about feinting especially at the end of a long game. I also think brodie was planning on rolling a bit better to begin with hahaha
Love it! There goes the army I was rooting for though, well played mate.
Thanks for the comment. Its rough that he got out but we'll definitely be seeing Brodies army again next season
@@ConquestCreations looking forward to it! This is excellent content my friend.
Well shot! I would much rather see the minis than the players!
Brilliant board and scenery!
Green Dragon Jeremy has some amazing terrain! You will see more of it throughout the league
Great battle report was really fun to watch and has nice edits. When is the next episode online?
Can't wait for the next one!
It's on the way! I am glad you liked it
Absolutely fantastic!
And one question: 12:05 wait... To Hit - okay, Scatter - okay, but... why didn't they roll for In The Way to see, if the Rivendell Knight or that Uruk-hai he was fighting against was the initial hit? If an arrow hits a fight you must first resolve, which one of the participants was hit. They just assumed, the Rivendell Knight had been hit automatically... Am I right that this is a mistake or is it really so in the rules?
This looks so cool I wish I could come down with my khand and easterlings and take some names !!!!
fellow rhun player i see ! >:)
I would probably have played all the game behind houses. Hope to get next report soon! Nice One!
Love it! Looking foward to round nr.2 🤗
Thanks mate! Its on its way
GG to Will, that was unexpected. Ballista the mvp, shaman resisted like a boss. Great game, looking forward for the next. Great painting of the Rivendell.
Foremost, excellent presentation and concept. This is a very solid and entertaining production.
Please continue your success.
I do have some concerns however.
Movement is very sloppy. Based on Control Zones it is literally impossible for the first piece in to contact two models.
Also, when manoeuvring a piece around another, (the Uruk Captin wrapping around-great idea part 14:04) you must skirt one inch, the you can circle back and contact. You cannot leave base to base contact unless you flee.
As the Uruk was allowed to contact 2 bases (illegally as discussed above) he would have had to stay there and dedicate the next combat to the remaining elf.
This may seem pedantic but it is fundamental and critical aspect of the game. Isengard would not have gotten the manoeuvre advantage initially.
Once a Control Zone is dropped, by all means, pile in. But until then I politely suggest tightening up on how the pieces move.
As for tactics, shoo at Uruk-hai is almost pointless. Better to seperate them and then isolate by fire before charging. Yet to each their own.
All the written, if I am incorrect please tell me how, so I can learn.
At this point, were this CANCON, I would object strongly
Lastly, I want to refocus on how good this presentation is, not just on its own, but compared to many others out there.
Do not let my corrections or observations dismiss that. Instead, if I am correct, use it to make a great product a tad better.
Cheers
Hey mate, thanks for the comment. I appreciate well thought out feedback.
We got the moment right here. You absolutely can charge two models with one model.
Once you enter a models control zone you must stay within it but you may move however you would like while you are inside it meaning that you may charge multiple models.
In the case with the Uruk Hai captain, he charged the two elves and then the other Uruks charged one of the elves. This splits the fight off into two one on one fights. This means that the Uruk Hai captain after killing his opponent was free to go into the Rivendell knight because he was no longer fighting the other elf. Additionally because that elf was in combat he no longer had a control zone.
Again thanks for the feedback! Any and all criticism is encouraged I am trying to make the best possible battle reports!
Excellent. Thank you for taking the time to reply and to help me understand the game mechanics better.
Is that referenced in an errata? I was unable to find it in the core rules.
Check out pg 25 of the main rule book in the 'Charging Multiple Enemies' section and it should clear the up
Jesus the rivendel rolls
Love this soooo much woooo Jacob you killing it my guy
Very cool, just found your channel - good stuff
Love the channel, and all your shows really. Got me into playing mesbg. After listening to alistair king talking about dwarves, i now have army of thror and mordor. I am curious about you printed khazad dum army, and the possibility of custom orders. Do you only do the stuff and set on the shop, or can i add and remove for no great extra charge?
And could we get more league games, need my fix😁
Great vid, made me want to restart working on my Angmar force
Do it! I just finished off a super fun little 300 point angmar army for an upcoming tournament
Great content!
From where did you get these trees?
Are the raisin units as undetailed as they look?
Awesome battle report. Perfect format. Awesome looking boards and army’s. You guy’s rock
Thanks mate, the board was great to play on. It's made by Jeremy from the Green Dragon podcast
Might have to get an Army from you mate. Stuff looks fantastic.
Where can I find videos of some of the 3d printed models painted? I'm interested in seeing how they look once completed!
They are on their way. I am slowly getting through all of the models in the store! I am working on the Azogs legion alternatives at the moment!
@@ConquestCreations I can't wait to see it then!
This video was excellent.
Really pumped for this League and great opener. Not the result Brodie was hoping for, but from one Rivendell player to another, I think Brodie will learn a lot from this game and has big things in his future
Great battle report ! +1 sub
Are the minis on your store legal for playing? Was thinking on getting elves
Absolutely legal! You wouldn't be able to play them in a Games Workshop but I have play with them all the time. You will start to see them in a lot of our battle reports soon
@@ConquestCreations perfect thank you! I plan on placing an order with you in the coming days!!
Don't wanna wait a fortnight for the next one!
Hahah I wish I could get them out more often! I am glad that you are excited
Love the concept
Really fun battle to watch. Quick question. Why didn’t the ballista have to take in the way roll for the captain behind the rocks. I know they weren’t large but they still obstructed part of the horse?
Great question! Thanks for the comment
For the ballista we drew line of sight from the tip of the bolt which meant that it had a slightly higher vantage point and because of this the captain wasn't obscured at all. I am not completely confident that it was the right call but the good thing is that even if the captain had survived the result would not have changed. If you have an info on where to draw line of sight from for a ballista let me know!
THERE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENDGARD
where can i get those printed elves ?
You can find them here!
www.conquestcreations.net/shop
Such a beautiful board
Does anyone play this on Table Top Simulator?
Ight I want to get into this game I’ve watched your tutorial but I’m still a bit confused any tips?
Depends on what you're confused about ;)
Well what armies are competitive, does it matter if I pick an army just because it looks cool what about army building?
@@Letheris Most armies will play more or less how they look like they should, and player skill will trump army choice in this game most of the time, its very well balanced. Pick something you like the look of and decide if the playstyle appeals to you.
@@Letheris for competitive stuff check out An Unexpected Podcast (DC Hobbit League on RUclips) and the Green Dragon Podcast (soundcloud). They discuss all kinds of armies.
I am so glad you want to get into! This game is so much fun. The absolutey best place to start is these three videos from my channel.
This one goes through the best place to start in the game: ruclips.net/video/_ZqiZA6YTUw/видео.html
This one goes through every single faction, explains their play style, and how good they are: ruclips.net/video/s62pfm7xyuY/видео.html
And this one is a how to play guide:
ruclips.net/video/X0e-6ygHvQg/видео.html
Enjoyed that a lot and hope there are more of these tournaments after! Might not be a popular opinion but would like to see more of the dice rolls on the combats.
Thanks for the feedback mate! There are a heap more of these planned out!
Siege engines are disgusting and the legion ballista even more so.
I think Brodie played that really well getting his captain on the objective all alone and then siege weapons being God tier just instantly swung everything the other way.
To me what happened there is a place where the rules don't really make sense. The point of a siege weapon is it's inaccurate which is why it only hits its intended target on a roll of a 6. But when there are no other models nearby suddenly its pinpoint accurate and only misses that exact guy on a 1.
I would like to see a rule where maybe 2-3 is you pass it off as you would now but if there are no suitable targets (other than the initial) its a miss and if u get 4-5 then u pass it off exactly as u would now in the rules so the lone guy would get hit.
It shouldnt be easier to be accurate shooting at one man compared to an entire battle line.
huge mistake by Rivendell player having his Captain go for the terrain piece. While the terrain grab would be worth 3 pts, he gave away 6 guaranteed points (+3 for him keeping the Captain alive, and -3 pts for his opponent for denying him killing the Captain). ... If he just kept him safe behind that building, he would've been much better off....
Also the earlier charge on the left flank by the knights into the Uruks was unnecessary. Put them at risk of the ballista when he could've just kept them safe behind the building for another turn or two.... would've been able to help in the middle and those 5-6 Uruks on that flank would've needed 2-3 turns to move all the way around and join the combat....
Enjoyable game and very nice video report, but the errors were tough to overlook.
I actually think going for the terrain piece was the right call. Because its an elimination tournament even if you only loose by one point you are still eliminated. If Brodie wanted to win he needed to get the 3 points for staying alive, 3 points for taking the terrain piece, and he needed to get the kill with Glorfindel on the shaman. If he didn't go for the terrain piece his best outcome would have been a draw. It was obviously a risk but he was behind so needed to take a risk to stay in the game. This time it didn't pay off.
As far as the nights go I would agree with you
@@ConquestCreations The problem is with the legion ballista especially and siege weapons in general what happened was probably at least an 80% chance of occurring. Re-rolls to hit and to scatter almost guaranteed that captain was taking the hit which at minimum takes him off the objective and denies 3 points or as we saw kills him for a 9 point swing.
Not disagreeing with you I think Brodie had to do it but this is a huge issue with siege engines in my opinion. It's not like a mounted elf captain (a pretty strong combat model) could even try to go for the ballista as you need to take friends with you to scatter on to or your guaranteed dead. Unless u send half your army across the board and lose most of them on the way you just can't kill a siege engine, giving it free reign to do whatever it wants and basically give Will a guaranteed win in this particular game as he wasn't ever losing that terrain piece with the ballista surrounded by open ground and with LOS to basically every piece of terrain in his half.
Its a damn shame Davelle MASSIVELY overcharges for this shit. Dude thinks he's the Games Workshop of 3d printing or something. I was interested in the cave trolls, but I sure as fuck aint paying 25 DOLLARS for an STL file.. fuck that... I'll just pay 30 for the damn Troll from GW itself at that point! Least it wont break as easily.
While it was a good game, siege weapons are a bad inclusion in matched play.
Why? The Isengard balista in the LL is realy good!
@@grimgrauman7650 I think he means they shouldn't be allowed to be taken.
Siege weapons just are not fun.
@@joshuaorourke1976 because a balrog, dweller, gulavhar or any other big monster are so much fun to face right?
while it was an enjoyable game, I cannot stop the feeling that it was skewed against the ballista. Ive never seen this much sightblocking terrain on any of your tables (or any tables at all for that matter), especially concentrated in the middle of the board like that. And the *huge area of line of sight* turn 2 was like 5 inches wide... xD and like 1/6th of the board. while it may be interesting watching the elven ballet and the ballista scooting across the board for once all game...it is not the most exciting nor the most tactical gaming material. That rivendell captain shouldve gotten his in the way for the rocks still. Poor guy.
the game is actually supposed to be played with about a third of the board being taken up by terrain. This is one of the few boards I've seen that gets it right.
Thanks for the comment. Overwhelmingly people don't use enough terrain for this game including myself. This is the most line of sight blocking terrain I have used so far but the game is best with heaps of terrain making it tricky to manuver and get easy shots. It just goes to show how good the ballista is when even with this amount of terrain it was still devastatingly powerful!
Strong disagree. The ballista won the game and basically set up a situation where the isengard player couldn't lose as they could see pretty much all the terrain pieces in their half and had a huge open field around them to prevent any approaches.
With reroll hits and scatters that elf captain was dead on that turn or the next guaranteed.
If u set up a board where it's any harder to hide half the elves would have been dead before combat.
I have strong feelings about siege engines being bad for the game and I know others don't feel as strongly but for me this is the bare minimum terrain u need if there is a siege weapon in the game.
If no siege engines and you want a more open board go for it but siege engines are too game breaking imo and they need tables with a heap of terrain to even give the other player a fighting chance. This is especially true for the isengard legion ballista which i still can't believe is a thing that actually exists in a game that is supposed to be fun. No fun is being had with that thing on the table.
Edit: Finally u mentioned it being not being tactical with that much terrain. The alternative is the elves march to the slaughter and are almost wiped before any fighting happens. Where are the tactics in that?
@@matthewkappos3602 true, just Never saw a board cluttered in that manner. Not on this channel, not on any other.
@@Jewus19 nah totally get it. Most of the time less terrain isn't a big deal. It takes that siege weapon to realise how important a good terrain mix is to giving some balance.