Subaru is smart for creating a PHEV. If car manufacturers want to be competitive, they need to plan and adapt for the future. This a great step in the right direction.
Its pretty funny that everyone has something negative to say, i think everyone forgets this is the first model, obviously once Subaru starts figuring out the cons and pros they will be able to compete more, and continue to excel in the automotive field. I feel its a great start and step in the right direction. plus if you're wanting something with range and better off road capability, obviously don't get a hybrid.... Thanks for the video, very well done.
no, I think this is just a blah car and that's how it's going to be because pretty soon EVs will be good enough there will be not much point to get a hybrid
I wish Subaru would do something for the Outback. I do a mix of all kinds of driving and off-roading but fuel economy is awful for any city driving. PHEV would be perfect for that back and forth to the office on the weekdays, you could do it all on the battery.
A good start by Subaru, but the EV range is lacking. I actually just sold my ‘16 Crosstrek and bought a Chevy Volt. Sacrificed AWD for 53 miles of battery power. Love, love, love Subaru (owned 5), but am awaiting a bit more range and practicality from their PHEV offerings before I pull the trigger again.
Subaru is not going to make any good progress on hybrids. They never really will since they've never made hybrids and their business model isn't really on hybrids. Comparing overall, this new hybrid is more detrimental compared to the old 2016 hybrid models of crosstrek in overall category in terms of performance. The engine is much worse than the 160hp you get from the older ones. The gas mileage isn't all that better considering you can get close to 35mpg on the newer FB engines from 2018.
They need to not waste RD money on PHEV and go full EV. Subaru is so far behind. I to love Subaru, I am always hoping they will future proof their company but every year I get disappointed. I also own a 2nd GEN Volt, great car, perfect fit for my situation but having owned for a while I now know the hybrid gas component is a waste. Full EV is the only way forward, until it is not. ICE is dead. All these cars being released are milking the dying ICE market. That is the reason Ford, Gm and VW have all pulled back. They a bracing for peak ICE sales, we are there now. This is the paradigm shift and it is going to be rough.
Im already shopping out a Bolt EV to replace my Civic next year. For us, the Volt is handy with its gasoline engine enabling us to make treks to Colorado and other places close enough to not need to fly, but far enough to make an EV run impractical. Biggest thing that needs to happen is for EV prices to come down to sane, normal car price levels. That tax credit they like to tout only works if you were exposed to tax liability to begin with, otherwise, nada.
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I suspect that the CVT is actually a modified version of the Toyota hybrid drivetrain (like the one in the Prius) which uses the 2 electric motors connected to different parts of the planetary gearset to change the ratio between the internal combustion engine and the wheels, rather than being based on the previous Subaru CVTs. I mean, Subaru probably has access to that design what with something like 30% of the company being owned by Toyota and the Prius drivetrain is pretty well polished by now, so it would make sense to do it that way.
@fukthegoog I've got nothing but respect for Subaru's developments in the CVT space but this isn't a Subaru CVT, it's a Toyota eCVT, the difference being that it's actually a planetary gear set that uses 2 electric motors attached to 2 other inputs on the 3 input gear set and clever control of those motors to vary the effective ratio between the engine and the wheels. Subaru's more conventional CVTs are traditional belt and pulley style designs. Subaru may have better belts and pulleys for a conventional internal combustion car but Toyota is the undeniable leader in hybrid powertrains and it's clear that Subaru agrees given that they have either licensed/bought this system from Toyota or copied it (the latter being unlikely given how close to Prius level fuel economy this is).
19 Rav4 gets better mileage, has more room, doesn't cost as much as another car to go hybrid, and you don't have to plug it in.. I've always preferred Subaru AWD to Toyotas, but if you're here for the hybrid soft-roader the Yota is the clear choice.
Damn was looking forward to this one! but mpg is not great after EV range, a lot of extra weight and the real deal breaker compromised trunk, kinda gutted!
There's a huge plus for the battery placement in this. Its not in the bottom of the car where it would be prone to getting smacked off road. Also, extra weight will only help in a collision.
I got a base model Impreza, I don’t care for leather for a daily car and I don’t care for a moonroof and the other things that came with the better package. I do wish my car had heated seats but it sits in a garage so it’s really not even an issue anyways. Leather gets super cold. I made the right decision with the base. I’d rather spend my money on a wrx or an sti.
Great video yet again! I am waiting on my shiny new 2023 Crosstrek Hybrid now and this video was a really nice and informative watch while I wait. I appreciate the time and effort you guys put into these reviews!
Cool video, but I disagree with the battery pack assessment and loss of space due to such. Even with less room due to the battery pack for the hybrid components and battery, I am still able to cram as many things, people, and pets into the vehicle as I always have.
Holly molly! $37500 for a CROSSTREK?! WHAT?! I was thinking around $30k for the fully loaded version! This is crazy! Yeah, we are definitely headed into another depression soon.
Now lift one for me and put oversized tires on it. Comparatively with my lift, Tepui tent, larger tires etc etc I barely get 20mpg and worse uphill or into the wind. If the PHEV trek could get 28+ I would consider it.
holy crap, so they managed to adapt the prius planetary gear set to endure an awd system and (more serious) offroad usage. i wonder if it also includes a low range ratio, just like the CVT it replaces.
my biggest disappointments with it are one it doesn't come in my dark blue, and two, I know this sounds weird but it only comes with one of the sti options where the regular crosstrex had five. I know that second one sounds weird but I love wrx's and id like the touches added to it just for individuality.
Just bought Subaru Crosstrek in UK where it is called XV? Big encouragement here to reduce pollution so would have considered this as an option but not sure I would want to give up all that boot space. If it's as heavy as the Forester would prefer Forester with same system and possibly more boot space.
I wonder if this would be better for proper offroading, like does it have more torque and cortrol down low for rock crawling? One day I hope they make a full EV subaru with individual wheel motors or even one motor per axle so you get precise control when doing technical off roading.
They should have fit the battery under the rear seat for that range how did they not manage that? I have a new Leaf thats where they put it for a 230km range and the result is 50% more rear storage capacity that the SUBI. Once again some neat ideas and tech but c'mon Subaru go full EV. Do it in the Forester and sell more than you can possibly make...That and finally end the head gasket failures once and for all.
I would expect the need to keep the central driveshaft impedes a packaging option like that without significant re-engineering on the platform. Just guessing tho.
Well, you where going way to fast.. ! - such a shame when people who are testing cars do this.. drive those test cars like you paid for them !! But.. The Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid. It is the same 2.0L H4 as the normal crosstrek. But it is allmost 500 pound more heavy. - this is a dead give-away that the car will have a lower mpg than the standard car. Dragging 500 pounds more uphill takes more power = more fuel used. you can use the electrik engine to suport it, and regenerate on your way down. But, a normal engine dont use gas downhill hanging in gear. you NEED to plug in the car at home to have any benefits from the electrik engine, you cant trust the regeneration to give you any advantage over the normal car. - so I believe that this is stil a way to make people THINK they are going green by having a hybrid. Also, the price is to high.. 7800 USD extra for a hybrid car. you can buy 2.600 gallons for those money. that will take you 30mpg x 2.600 gallons = 78.000 miles.. So you will have to drive 78.000 miles on FREE ELECTRIC only to even make the extra payment worth paying So tell me again, where is the point in buying a hybrid car? - more expensive, same engine and you will not save money at all..
@@profilename1987 no need to say he is stupid. He is absolutely right. You are free to choose but it doesnt mean you have the right to call someone stupid. Personally i also think hybrids are pointless. You have to fill a gas tank and a battery instead of just filling one gas tank. It may burn less fuel but it has already polluted the environment via the production of these battery packs. Again, the choice is yours.
Driving the regular one, 2017 model. I’d definitely want the PHEV version, but with my current one the trunk space is already at the edge. Nope, not happening until they find a better place to hide the battery.
PHEV cost significantly a lot more, you'd be better off getting the regular gas version and the 14,000 of savings goes along way for the next 4-5 years of gas money.
27 Km of EV range is stupid but better than nothing and it'll be enough to get you from your house or apartment to work and do grocery shopping. It would've made 'so' much more sense if they came out with a plug-in hybrid version of the Forester and the Ascent and top them off with an EV range of 50 to 75 kilometers.
Having a hybrid with the ascent is really stupid. Ascent is a heavy car being a 7 seater. The turbo FA24F is a very new and improved engine on performance and fuel efficiency compared to the existing FB turbos used on the WRXs that has the similar torque and power. Also FA24F i believe doesn't require premium fuel which is a plus.
@@441meatloaf No. It's not a stupid idea at all. Americans and Canadians both prefer larger SUV's. The difference in weight isn't a legitimate point to take since the Outlander also competes directly against the Ascent. The BMW X5 has a plug-in varriant with 80 km of EV-only range. The Volvo XC90 T8 can go over 40 km on a charge. Having a plug-in hybrid powertrain makes great sense for people who live in an area with a carbon tax and high gas prices. Being able to skirt paying the carbon tax and paying for gas is great if you can do it.
@@firefox39693 Americans and canadians do not really prefer larger suvs unless you have 3 kids. The trend is compact suvs for the majority especially the market is for millenials. They will not buy a 4 runner that is larger than a minivan. Second is cost and fuel economy. Hybrids are not efficient on larger vehicles + the extra premium price of another 10k thats cost recovery is very low. BMW hybrids are all on the smaller side of SUVs especially BMW is pushing sales of X1.
@@firefox39693 gas has become less of a problem when fuel.efficiency technology has been revised and increased on every year. The bigger problem is space. Carbon tax is only a thing in canada not at all applicable to US. Having a hybrid with low range makes no different than owning a gas vehicle, you are just paying more for less. Also subaru is very bad at hybrids
I just think you're wrong. Plug-in hybrids make good sense because most journeys are short. Making all of those short commutes would result in less CO2 being emitted. The Kia Niro plug-in hybrid, Mercedes GLC 350e, Volvo XC60 T8 are great examples of plug-in hybrids. I would buy any of them if I had the money.
Don't know if I missed it since you tube went wierd and skipped your vid half way but does the regen fill the battery when doing things like down hill and stopping. Also was curious what the charge rate was ... I'm pretty sure it 3.3 Kw but hoping for better. Thanks.
Seems like Subaru rushes another hybrid Crosstrek again. Is there a spare tire this time? I know last time they didn’t compromise any rear trunk space and people didn’t seem to care because there was no spare and you couldn’t get a Subaru genuine trailer hitch installed.
I'll just get a convenience package with CVT, SUBTLE Solutions lift and some method wheels with K02s. Itl be 10 grand cheaper, better looking and more capable
It is funny to se the passenger having problem not showing fear! But watching his video from the same testing. When you where the passenger was even better! You look as scared on his video that he on your. :) But nice reviews! I will not go for the hybrid. I need more space for cargo ... :(
Please correct me if I'm wrong: If I plug in this vehicle all night and fully charge the electric engine, as long as I keep the speedometer under 65mph, I will be able to use the electric engine for 17 miles? Without using any gas? But then what's the 92MPGe for? So confused.
MPGe is miles per gallon - equivalent. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule for what it means but it's usually either equivalent price or equivalent emissions for electricity consumption compared to using fuel.
I’ve heard these will only be released in states with California’s ZEV policies, which is only 9 states. Do you know of plans to release the PHEV nationally?
Subaru said that they will be released in 10 states to start. Another consideration is maintenance... outside those 10 states Subaru dealers can decide if they want to get the proper equipment to maintain the new PHEV powertrain. So if you do want to cross state lines, be prepared for a long drive if there is a powertrain issue and your local dealer decided to not get equipment and certifications for PHEV.
Complete list of states, for everyone else wondering: California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont.
Thanks for the quick reply! I imagine at some point this will be a nationally-released car with subsequent service requirements for retailers, too. I just know retailers in the other 40 states will be getting questions about these cars from customers and why they aren’t offered.
Mowcowbell I expect we’ll see them in Washington State before long. Plug-ins are popular here. Maybe not as an official roll-out but I can see one of the bigger dealerships opting for the service support.
For the price, and the range, not even close to worth it! The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is the same price, way bigger, better range, way more cargo area, although the AWD system is not as good, you get WAY more car for the price!
Problem is they kept the Boxer engine and I wish there was a way to disconnect the center diff when not needed. That would have given a couple more MPGs
Yes, the XV will be made for 2019, but since it was all new last year look for minor updates if any. I could see the electric handbrake coming over into the new model, but I don’t have any inside facts.
Interesting. Very similar to Toyota's normal hybrid setup ie Two electric motors that run through a variable planetary gearset. Wonder if Subaru had to pay for patents or just bought Toyota's system off the shelf?
Toyota has a 10% stake in Subaru so subaru just hoped on over to the Toyota parts bin for most the hybrid components. I know the battery specifically is from the Prius prime, same with the charging cable
Subaru CVTs suck. It sounds like the electric motors help make up the difference where the transmission lacks, but not for that kind of markup. Maybe if it was competitive mileage wise.
Was hoping this would be more like an awd volt :( no where near what I can do in my volt for mpg at 50k miles I'm avg 120mpg lifetime. My daily commute is 33 miles each way not even going to get me halfway there. My trunk is way better too. Love Subaru but this is disappointing.
@@drivingsports - before you answered, I was looking for information myself. Some dealers are claiming "0", specifically warning, do not void the warranty by towing...
The petrol engine is a flat-4. No Subarus use Toyota engines. The closest thing is the Toyota fuel injection included the BRZ/FRS and even that is part of a Subaru boxer (yes, in both the Toyota and Subaru-branded versions.)
@@drivingsports Hmm, Atkinson Cycle is not native to Subaru's ignition cycle used. Subaru has opted most of its cars to use new DIT from toyota and is much more fuel efficient while retaining the power considering 2018 models already have variable valve timing to increase efficiency. Wouldn't this actually be detrimental to the crosstrek itself adding 500 pounds of weight to the car? Comparing to the older hybrid models subaru first attempted it achieved 160hp combined. The EV component doesnt add much in terms of performance and overall seems like a waste for a top of the line price tag which is just appalling. You could buy a low end Lexus UX for that price. I can likely see those wont go well in terms of sales for this model especially only 17 miles on EV range......the regular gas model does way better.
@@441meatloaf They don't normally use Atkinson cycle because it robs low-end torque. That is supplemented by the electric motors, so it makes sense here. Also, DIT from Toyota is only on the BRZ/FRS, other motors use Subaru's in-house DIT. The old Hybrid had a 13hp motor. It's just calculated differently.
What we want? A turbo Crosstrek! What does Subaru give us? An electrical Crosstrek?! Oh yeah and lets remove the XT trim from the forester. Whats next? Ditch the STI, The WRX, make them electric and be a completely green car company? Lets hope not!
So many PHEVs have this range because the US Govt. says the average commute is 16 miles. By that measure a 17 mile range can get a driver to and from work without using gas. (Assuming there is a charger at work.) I agree the range should be longer. However, for a PHEV I can understand the reasoning. Also, people are already complaining about the lack of space. More range equals even less space given the current packaging.
Driving Sports TV if I can’t lay down flat and full in the back then the space issue in the rear is a moot point for me. 17 miles does accommodate for hills, cold or any battery degradation. God forbid a combination of those
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Seeing this 5 years later makes me wish they had a PHEV version of the new Crosstrek Wilderness.
Subaru is smart for creating a PHEV. If car manufacturers want to be competitive, they need to plan and adapt for the future. This a great step in the right direction.
Its pretty funny that everyone has something negative to say, i think everyone forgets this is the first model, obviously once Subaru starts figuring out the cons and pros they will be able to compete more, and continue to excel in the automotive field. I feel its a great start and step in the right direction. plus if you're wanting something with range and better off road capability, obviously don't get a hybrid.... Thanks for the video, very well done.
no, I think this is just a blah car and that's how it's going to be because pretty soon EVs will be good enough there will be not much point to get a hybrid
Hybrid or not, Subaru’s are great for off-roading.
The passenger looks like he is trying very hard to not look uncomfortable. Haha
Considering how fast the driver is going, he's probably craping his pants lol
I wish Subaru would do something for the Outback. I do a mix of all kinds of driving and off-roading but fuel economy is awful for any city driving. PHEV would be perfect for that back and forth to the office on the weekdays, you could do it all on the battery.
A good start by Subaru, but the EV range is lacking. I actually just sold my ‘16 Crosstrek and bought a Chevy Volt. Sacrificed AWD for 53 miles of battery power. Love, love, love Subaru (owned 5), but am awaiting a bit more range and practicality from their PHEV offerings before I pull the trigger again.
Subaru is not going to make any good progress on hybrids. They never really will since they've never made hybrids and their business model isn't really on hybrids. Comparing overall, this new hybrid is more detrimental compared to the old 2016 hybrid models of crosstrek in overall category in terms of performance. The engine is much worse than the 160hp you get from the older ones. The gas mileage isn't all that better considering you can get close to 35mpg on the newer FB engines from 2018.
They need to not waste RD money on PHEV and go full EV. Subaru is so far behind. I to love Subaru, I am always hoping they will future proof their company but every year I get disappointed. I also own a 2nd GEN Volt, great car, perfect fit for my situation but having owned for a while I now know the hybrid gas component is a waste. Full EV is the only way forward, until it is not. ICE is dead. All these cars being released are milking the dying ICE market. That is the reason Ford, Gm and VW have all pulled back. They a bracing for peak ICE sales, we are there now. This is the paradigm shift and it is going to be rough.
Im already shopping out a Bolt EV to replace my Civic next year. For us, the Volt is handy with its gasoline engine enabling us to make treks to Colorado and other places close enough to not need to fly, but far enough to make an EV run impractical. Biggest thing that needs to happen is for EV prices to come down to sane, normal car price levels. That tax credit they like to tout only works if you were exposed to tax liability to begin with, otherwise, nada.
@@chrisrader8547 and tax credits is how they suck the idiots into buying thinking there is some benefits
Volt is being discontinued...
I eagerly await a full-review of the Subaru Crosstrek PHEV, especially off-road and in the twisty stuff
We've requested one for a more in-depth look.
Driving Sports TV Looking forward to your full review, please check if battery pack has active cooling and preheating for winter use( basically active BMS), please with as much details as possible, thx in advance
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really looks like driver is having fun off road, and going for it - not nervous
seems a very positive review to me
I suspect that the CVT is actually a modified version of the Toyota hybrid drivetrain (like the one in the Prius) which uses the 2 electric motors connected to different parts of the planetary gearset to change the ratio between the internal combustion engine and the wheels, rather than being based on the previous Subaru CVTs. I mean, Subaru probably has access to that design what with something like 30% of the company being owned by Toyota and the Prius drivetrain is pretty well polished by now, so it would make sense to do it that way.
@fukthegoog I've got nothing but respect for Subaru's developments in the CVT space but this isn't a Subaru CVT, it's a Toyota eCVT, the difference being that it's actually a planetary gear set that uses 2 electric motors attached to 2 other inputs on the 3 input gear set and clever control of those motors to vary the effective ratio between the engine and the wheels. Subaru's more conventional CVTs are traditional belt and pulley style designs. Subaru may have better belts and pulleys for a conventional internal combustion car but Toyota is the undeniable leader in hybrid powertrains and it's clear that Subaru agrees given that they have either licensed/bought this system from Toyota or copied it (the latter being unlikely given how close to Prius level fuel economy this is).
@fukthegoog if they don't need toyota's tech why do they use it? it's no speculation look it up
19 Rav4 gets better mileage, has more room, doesn't cost as much as another car to go hybrid, and you don't have to plug it in.. I've always preferred Subaru AWD to Toyotas, but if you're here for the hybrid soft-roader the Yota is the clear choice.
Damn was looking forward to this one! but mpg is not great after EV range, a lot of extra weight and the real deal breaker compromised trunk, kinda gutted!
There's a huge plus for the battery placement in this. Its not in the bottom of the car where it would be prone to getting smacked off road. Also, extra weight will only help in a collision.
Now can they do a blue stitching for the wrx???
Ditch the eyesight, leather, power seats, heated wheel, moonroof, keep it simple and drop the price by like $5000.
Seriously, I don't need all that bullshit. Give me economy, nice lines, and reliability.
Eyesight is so good though
Eyesight is worth it. Srsly more reliable then u would think.
got the eyesight...oh man...it's good
I got a base model Impreza, I don’t care for leather for a daily car and I don’t care for a moonroof and the other things that came with the better package. I do wish my car had heated seats but it sits in a garage so it’s really not even an issue anyways. Leather gets super cold. I made the right decision with the base. I’d rather spend my money on a wrx or an sti.
“I am done with that.” And what a way to end your video! Love it! Subbed! PS I could hear you guys talk about Subies 24/7.
I am not convinced that it is worth the extra price. It's definitely a cool car, but in the end, is it really worth it?
Great video yet again! I am waiting on my shiny new 2023 Crosstrek Hybrid now and this video was a really nice and informative watch while I wait. I appreciate the time and effort you guys put into these reviews!
Holy cow, look how much cargo area is sucked up with that battery pack!
Mowcowbell if I can’t sleep in the back because of length or unevenness I don’t even care but, 17 miles ev range sucks anyway
It still has more cargo space than most electric vehicles
I want to see them do this right with the outback and keep it under 50k (keep in mind original prius was very expensive before tax credits)
Fun review.
It’s too bad Subaru doesn’t make a non plug in hybrid like Toyota. We’d love to have an Outback hybrid .
Why do you have to drive so fast? you can go off road and drive at a safe pace and still give a good review.
Great Review, I'm debating getting one and the other videos do no justice to what now seems like a pretty darn decent car.
Cool video, but I disagree with the battery pack assessment and loss of space due to such. Even with less room due to the battery pack for the hybrid components and battery, I am still able to cram as many things, people, and pets into the vehicle as I always have.
Yay! I can’t wait to test drive!!
Holly molly! $37500 for a CROSSTREK?! WHAT?! I was thinking around $30k for the fully loaded version! This is crazy! Yeah, we are definitely headed into another depression soon.
my 2018 was 23k lol
Now lift one for me and put oversized tires on it. Comparatively with my lift, Tepui tent, larger tires etc etc I barely get 20mpg and worse uphill or into the wind.
If the PHEV trek could get 28+ I would consider it.
holy crap, so they managed to adapt the prius planetary gear set to endure an awd system and (more serious) offroad usage.
i wonder if it also includes a low range ratio, just like the CVT it replaces.
Great review! I have the 20 limited. Which trail is this?
Awesome videos and reviews. Please, try to have the Mitsubishi Outlander Phev. Thanks in advance from Canada.
Excellent off road adventure. Looks like tons of fun. Give that Crosstreck more power, and safety rating will be -5 stars.
my biggest disappointments with it are one it doesn't come in my dark blue, and two, I know this sounds weird but it only comes with one of the sti options where the regular crosstrex had five. I know that second one sounds weird but I love wrx's and id like the touches added to it just for individuality.
No spare tyre! I don't think that's allowed in Australia.
What a great idea! I hope it sells so I can buy one in a few years when I'm ready for a new car.
Just bought Subaru Crosstrek in UK where it is called XV? Big encouragement here to reduce pollution so would have considered this as an option but not sure I would want to give up all that boot space. If it's as heavy as the Forester would prefer Forester with same system and possibly more boot space.
Yea
I wonder if this would be better for proper offroading, like does it have more torque and cortrol down low for rock crawling? One day I hope they make a full EV subaru with individual wheel motors or even one motor per axle so you get precise control when doing technical off roading.
The Bollinger electric is set up like that. Looking forward to give it a try... eventually.
They should have fit the battery under the rear seat for that range how did they not manage that? I have a new Leaf thats where they put it for a 230km range and the result is 50% more rear storage capacity that the SUBI. Once again some neat ideas and tech but c'mon Subaru go full EV. Do it in the Forester and sell more than you can possibly make...That and finally end the head gasket failures once and for all.
I would expect the need to keep the central driveshaft impedes a packaging option like that without significant re-engineering on the platform. Just guessing tho.
Well, you where going way to fast.. !
- such a shame when people who are testing cars do this.. drive those test cars like you paid for them !!
But.. The Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid.
It is the same 2.0L H4 as the normal crosstrek.
But it is allmost 500 pound more heavy.
- this is a dead give-away that the car will have a lower mpg than the standard car.
Dragging 500 pounds more uphill takes more power = more fuel used.
you can use the electrik engine to suport it, and regenerate on your way down.
But, a normal engine dont use gas downhill hanging in gear.
you NEED to plug in the car at home to have any benefits from the electrik engine, you cant trust the regeneration to give you any advantage over the normal car.
- so I believe that this is stil a way to make people THINK they are going green by having a hybrid.
Also, the price is to high.. 7800 USD extra for a hybrid car.
you can buy 2.600 gallons for those money.
that will take you 30mpg x 2.600 gallons = 78.000 miles..
So you will have to drive 78.000 miles on FREE ELECTRIC only to even make the extra payment worth paying
So tell me again, where is the point in buying a hybrid car?
- more expensive, same engine and you will not save money at all..
SO TRUE!
nice math
i want to buy a hybrid, regardless of your stupidity.
@@profilename1987 no need to say he is stupid. He is absolutely right.
You are free to choose but it doesnt mean you have the right to call someone stupid.
Personally i also think hybrids are pointless. You have to fill a gas tank and a battery instead of just filling one gas tank. It may burn less fuel but it has already polluted the environment via the production of these battery packs.
Again, the choice is yours.
Driving the regular one, 2017 model. I’d definitely want the PHEV version, but with my current one the trunk space is already at the edge. Nope, not happening until they find a better place to hide the battery.
PHEV cost significantly a lot more, you'd be better off getting the regular gas version and the 14,000 of savings goes along way for the next 4-5 years of gas money.
Poor Sofyan, Ryan remember you are not in WRC ;)
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I'm really interested in seeing a downhill review. Very curious on the regen ability and the X-mode. Maybe in 3 years this could be my next new car.
27 Km of EV range is stupid but better than nothing and it'll be enough to get you from your house or apartment to work and do grocery shopping. It would've made 'so' much more sense if they came out with a plug-in hybrid version of the Forester and the Ascent and top them off with an EV range of 50 to 75 kilometers.
Having a hybrid with the ascent is really stupid. Ascent is a heavy car being a 7 seater. The turbo FA24F is a very new and improved engine on performance and fuel efficiency compared to the existing FB turbos used on the WRXs that has the similar torque and power. Also FA24F i believe doesn't require premium fuel which is a plus.
@@441meatloaf No. It's not a stupid idea at all. Americans and Canadians both prefer larger SUV's. The difference in weight isn't a legitimate point to take since the Outlander also competes directly against the Ascent.
The BMW X5 has a plug-in varriant with 80 km of EV-only range. The Volvo XC90 T8 can go over 40 km on a charge.
Having a plug-in hybrid powertrain makes great sense for people who live in an area with a carbon tax and high gas prices. Being able to skirt paying the carbon tax and paying for gas is great if you can do it.
@@firefox39693 Americans and canadians do not really prefer larger suvs unless you have 3 kids. The trend is compact suvs for the majority especially the market is for millenials. They will not buy a 4 runner that is larger than a minivan. Second is cost and fuel economy. Hybrids are not efficient on larger vehicles + the extra premium price of another 10k thats cost recovery is very low. BMW hybrids are all on the smaller side of SUVs especially BMW is pushing sales of X1.
@@firefox39693 gas has become less of a problem when fuel.efficiency technology has been revised and increased on every year. The bigger problem is space. Carbon tax is only a thing in canada not at all applicable to US. Having a hybrid with low range makes no different than owning a gas vehicle, you are just paying more for less. Also subaru is very bad at hybrids
I just think you're wrong. Plug-in hybrids make good sense because most journeys are short. Making all of those short commutes would result in less CO2 being emitted. The Kia Niro plug-in hybrid, Mercedes GLC 350e, Volvo XC60 T8 are great examples of plug-in hybrids. I would buy any of them if I had the money.
I really like this car, I would like more information on hybrid and electric only thanks.
Where is the trail in California !? Looks awesome. They said it was a 10 mile trail ?
Camino Ciela
I wonder how all the extra weight impacts the GVWR? "Yes, it technically has seating for five, but they can only weight 125lbs (56kg) each..."
It's funny. Reviewers shame Mitsubishi for using those old style buttons for heated seats, but no-one mentions them on this Subaru.
They do? Weird thing to complain about.
Don't know if I missed it since you tube went wierd and skipped your vid half way but does the regen fill the battery when doing things like down hill and stopping. Also was curious what the charge rate was ... I'm pretty sure it 3.3 Kw but hoping for better. Thanks.
Sorry, don’t know the charge rate. But yes, the brakes are re-gen.
What happened to the PHEV Subarus? I only see eBoxer nowadays, which is a normal hybrid, not a PHEV.
eBoxer is for the rest of the world. PHEV is in North America only.
How was the alignment after this drive?
Can it be lifted?
Cubic feet ... why. Why are you still not SI.
Where is this Road. Looks like Fun!
W Camino Cielo above Santa Barbara, just off Hwy 154. It goes for a few miles paved, then goes to dirt for about 10 more miles.
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@@drivingsports DUDE!!!!!
Lovely, I got to see how you two look offroad...but unfortunately I've no idea how the car handles. Bummer.
Seems like Subaru rushes another hybrid Crosstrek again. Is there a spare tire this time? I know last time they didn’t compromise any rear trunk space and people didn’t seem to care because there was no spare and you couldn’t get a Subaru genuine trailer hitch installed.
No spare but trailer hitch is available now
love this color...why cant we get this color in the limited :(
I'll just get a convenience package with CVT, SUBTLE Solutions lift and some method wheels with K02s. Itl be 10 grand cheaper, better looking and more capable
It is funny to se the passenger having problem not showing fear! But watching his video from the same testing. When you where the passenger was even better! You look as scared on his video that he on your. :) But nice reviews! I will not go for the hybrid. I need more space for cargo ... :(
I need a house for one of these lol nice review. Decent amount of details.
Is it an inline 4 or boxer still? Wondering if the infamous Subaru engine quality is still in this package..
Yes, still a boxer 4.
@@drivingsports Do you know if it’s just a detuned FB20D or if it’s another engine entirely?
Please correct me if I'm wrong:
If I plug in this vehicle all night and fully charge the electric engine, as long as I keep the speedometer under 65mph, I will be able to use the electric engine for 17 miles? Without using any gas?
But then what's the 92MPGe for? So confused.
Correct. There is no EV button. Just keep it under 65 and don’t go WOT. If you want to hold the EV charge for later, then hit the Hold button.
MPGe is miles per gallon - equivalent. I don't think there's a hard and fast rule for what it means but it's usually either equivalent price or equivalent emissions for electricity consumption compared to using fuel.
MPGe is used to compare efficiency of electrical drive systems
I would like to have one Crosstrek Hybrid.... very good....
I’ve heard these will only be released in states with California’s ZEV policies, which is only 9 states. Do you know of plans to release the PHEV nationally?
Subaru said that they will be released in 10 states to start. Another consideration is maintenance... outside those 10 states Subaru dealers can decide if they want to get the proper equipment to maintain the new PHEV powertrain. So if you do want to cross state lines, be prepared for a long drive if there is a powertrain issue and your local dealer decided to not get equipment and certifications for PHEV.
Complete list of states, for everyone else wondering: California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont.
Thanks for the quick reply! I imagine at some point this will be a nationally-released car with subsequent service requirements for retailers, too. I just know retailers in the other 40 states will be getting questions about these cars from customers and why they aren’t offered.
@@drivingsports Which means the other 40 states will never see one. Just like any other plug in hybrid from other manufacturers.
Mowcowbell I expect we’ll see them in Washington State before long. Plug-ins are popular here. Maybe not as an official roll-out but I can see one of the bigger dealerships opting for the service support.
Sofyan have a few heart attacks in that ride.
Do they have one with a solar panel on the roof I’d give up the sun roof even
For the price, and the range, not even close to worth it! The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is the same price, way bigger, better range, way more cargo area, although the AWD system is not as good, you get WAY more car for the price!
I've got the outlander phev. great car
electric motors inside the transmision// genius
ohka on wheels ah sarcasm
MADBONE
not at all. Excellent center of gravity. really good idea
it's toyota's tech
So it’s a Subaru with Toyota guts? How long is the warranty?
Problem is they kept the Boxer engine and I wish there was a way to disconnect the center diff when not needed. That would have given a couple more MPGs
MGXsport Yeah, the boxer’s gonna be difficult to get at when replacing plugs.
Why not a diesel hybrid ???
Joe Madrigal good question
idk diesel seen as dirty in us
Canadian Crosstrek non hybrid can have a heated steering wheel.
Does the ac run off the hybrid battery?
Hi, do you know if we are going to have a normal version (not electric) of XV in 2019? Thank you
Yes, the XV will be made for 2019, but since it was all new last year look for minor updates if any. I could see the electric handbrake coming over into the new model, but I don’t have any inside facts.
Thanks very much for the info...
Interesting. Very similar to Toyota's normal hybrid setup ie Two electric motors that run through a variable planetary gearset. Wonder if Subaru had to pay for patents or just bought Toyota's system off the shelf?
Toyota and Subaru are partners. they share.
Toyota has a 10% stake in Subaru so subaru just hoped on over to the Toyota parts bin for most the hybrid components. I know the battery specifically is from the Prius prime, same with the charging cable
What is the battery capacity?
Like Rick Grimes be your cars reviewer
like the vid. but we can't reach that vehicle because of our tax system. Bummer :(
Subaru CVTs suck. It sounds like the electric motors help make up the difference where the transmission lacks, but not for that kind of markup. Maybe if it was competitive mileage wise.
Subaru CVTs are actually the better ones of the industry compared to American CVT's and the horrid Nissans.
It's not a Subaru CVT...
Was hoping this would be more like an awd volt :( no where near what I can do in my volt for mpg at 50k miles I'm avg 120mpg lifetime. My daily commute is 33 miles each way not even going to get me halfway there. My trunk is way better too. Love Subaru but this is disappointing.
Good luck getting a map navigation update system to work, dealears are useless, already a 6 months ordeal, impreza 2017 harman kardom
Mircea Munteanu Do it yourself, I did
And thus Subaru's legacy (pun intended) as a "yuppie car" was cemented forever.
How does it handle in the snow?
handles awesome in the snow!
grate news for Subaru
I'd consider it was actually hoping Subaru would make a real hybrid. It might be the replacement for our 2005 Honda accord when an if it dies.
It's worth it. I've owned one for almost 3 years now and I average 84 miles per gallon. I can get up to 25.5 miles of EV range driving locally.
I will programmed mine to play the wrecking ball by Miley Cyrus for the sound in this suv
This might actually tick all the boxes... nope no cargo space.. my god 60L gone
It's ok, the 500 extra pounds likely maxes out the GVWR with two occupants anyway.
Does anyone know what trail that is?
Camino Cielo
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GOOD JOB！
I want to see the front
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copy Q7 system?
No spare tire? Umm.....
Lol you won't get stuck on a flat dirt road ;-)
what's the ID of entry song ?
It's called "Hardliner" by Score Squad
Want ittt!
wait did i hear 14 miles for electric battery? wtf subaru nvm dont want
+Subie Diaries 17 miles. According to government stats, that’s sufficient for a majority of commuters to make their daily trip gas-free.
@@drivingsports i drive a electric car with 60 miles and it isnt enough for a everday car
@@drivingsports put a heater on and that goes down to 8 miles
Towing capacity?
Drops 500 lbs compared to normal crosstrek due to battery weight. So, 1000 lbs.
@@drivingsports - before you answered, I was looking for information myself. Some dealers are claiming "0", specifically warning, do not void the warranty by towing...
@@Paul-xc6lr owners manual says 1000lbs.
Very disappointed in this. EV range is negligible, the 2019 RAV4 will kill this
What trail is this?
It's Camino Cielo just outside Santa Barbara.
Driving Sports TV Thanks! Keep up the great vids!
The only problem because its a Toyota engine instead of flat four boxer. Its not really a subaru anymore.
The petrol engine is a flat-4. No Subarus use Toyota engines. The closest thing is the Toyota fuel injection included the BRZ/FRS and even that is part of a Subaru boxer (yes, in both the Toyota and Subaru-branded versions.)
@@drivingsports Hmm, Atkinson Cycle is not native to Subaru's ignition cycle used. Subaru has opted most of its cars to use new DIT from toyota and is much more fuel efficient while retaining the power considering 2018 models already have variable valve timing to increase efficiency. Wouldn't this actually be detrimental to the crosstrek itself adding 500 pounds of weight to the car? Comparing to the older hybrid models subaru first attempted it achieved 160hp combined. The EV component doesnt add much in terms of performance and overall seems like a waste for a top of the line price tag which is just appalling. You could buy a low end Lexus UX for that price. I can likely see those wont go well in terms of sales for this model especially only 17 miles on EV range......the regular gas model does way better.
@@441meatloaf They don't normally use Atkinson cycle because it robs low-end torque. That is supplemented by the electric motors, so it makes sense here. Also, DIT from Toyota is only on the BRZ/FRS, other motors use Subaru's in-house DIT. The old Hybrid had a 13hp motor. It's just calculated differently.
Save Sofyan!
What we want? A turbo Crosstrek!
What does Subaru give us? An electrical Crosstrek?! Oh yeah and lets remove the XT trim from the forester.
Whats next? Ditch the STI, The WRX, make them electric and be a completely green car company?
Lets hope not!
17 miles range lol that’s pathetic
Multiple by 4x and you have a deal
A low mileage PHEV
17 is a token distance
I don’t want or need AWD all the time
So many PHEVs have this range because the US Govt. says the average commute is 16 miles. By that measure a 17 mile range can get a driver to and from work without using gas. (Assuming there is a charger at work.) I agree the range should be longer. However, for a PHEV I can understand the reasoning. Also, people are already complaining about the lack of space. More range equals even less space given the current packaging.
Driving Sports TV if I can’t lay down flat and full in the back then the space issue in the rear is a moot point for me. 17 miles does accommodate for hills, cold or any battery degradation. God forbid a combination of those
A bit crazy. Time will tell.
better they would do turbocharged Crosstrek instead of hybrid