Great video explaining how the .458 Lott came to be. I have a CZ-550 American Safari Magnum in .458 Lott, and I love it! It has a great laminated stock, beautiful and tough. Built on a BRNO ZKK-602, double square bridge Mauser action, it is dead reliable. The recoil is stiff, but not unmanageable. I’ve shot lightweight 45/70’s that were much worse.
Excellent and useful film. I have a BRNO actioned .458 custom built by Paul Roberts with Holland style QD scope mounts and stocked by Mark Renmant - a lovely handling 'controlled feed rifle and very accurate. I had to stop a charge with it once in Africa using old British ammo. This very nearly caused a serious issue because of inadequate penetration. When crono tested after this event the ammo velocity was far less than it should have been. I remain a fan of .416 Rigby which offers power and penetration. But my Roberts .458 handles so well that I will stick with it but pay closer attention to ammo in future. Lesson learned.
We just started a honey Safari in the Northern Territory of Australia, water, buffalo and Banteng I’m buying a lot from my Safari as a guide gun. Thank you for this information makes me think that I’m making the right decision.
I don't need a .458 as I have a .375 H&H. But there's a local shop with a Model 70 Super Grade in .458 Winchester for a good price. Therefore I feel the need to buy it.
As always, amazing video!!! And something that no ordinary hunter can hear or learn, except from a hunter who has had the opportunity to hunting the largest animals in the world...
They are only interchangeable in a Lott chamber... the regular 458 Win mag cant chamber the longer Lott... I mean you can play with seating depths, but that's not alot of wiggle room
I've been loading and shooting the great .458 win mag for over 30 years and have a great respect for it. It's a very versatile round if you reload for it and I have taken 5 caribou at over 300yds with barnes 350gr triple shocks, a couple whitetails and water buffalo in Argentina with 500gr hornadys. I have even shot squirrels with it by making it into a shotgun shell! That said, I don't understand why Winchester used a 2.5" case for the .458 win mag when the model 70 was already chambered in the 2.85" .375 H&H and while they were at it they used the wrong smokeless powder! Ball powders don't like to be compressed! I've always loaded the .458 win mag with H4895 for 2150fps with the 500gr hornadys in a 24" barrel with no pressure problems. I have several .458 win mags and love them but I also have a Dakota arms .458 Lott which is going to Africa next year for Cape buffalo!
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 correct! But since the CZ-550s are being discontinued, could someone, let's say buy a Winchester 70 Safari in 458 Win mag then have it reemed by a smith to the longer Lott, without pressure issues? Or is that a completely different action size? The reason I ask is (as you stated in the video) the 458 win is "standard" length and the Lott is "Magnum" length. My guess would be that it can be done... because of the other chamberings offered ( .375 H&H and .416 Remington Magnum) I doubt they shortened the action just for the 458 Win Mag, I bet it's like Howa 1500's and Weatherby Vanguard's that they make 1 action size that fits the longest cartridges and the shorter ones just ride the feed ramp a little longer before hitting the throat of the rifle
The 458 Lott is one of the few rounds that I've heard Craig Boddington describe as his upper limit for recoil; that says it all to me. This was a very informative video but like Clint Eastwood said once, "A man's gotta know his limitations." I'd like to try one of these rifles but it doesn't look like something I'll run out to buy just to shoot for the heck of it. Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts on this beast of a round. Another great video, as always!
You're missing the point guys. The great thing about the .458 win mag and the Lott is there versatility. They can be loaded down to black powder 45/70 levels or hotter 45/70 smokeless levels. They can be loaded with light 250 or 300gr bullets for a flat trajectory that rivals a 30-06 and hits like a freight train! Because they have a straight case they can be loaded into a shotgun shell for close range pest control and of course load those 500gr heavies for when the local pachaderms get into your garden! Nothing is more versatile than a .458!
Scene 16:48 - I was completely honest with myself in that I knew I did not need a rifle chambered for a big game African safari cartridge, but it didn't stop me from getting a Ruger M77 Mk 2 Safari rifle chambered in the 458 Lott.
I agree with you to a point. I have had several .458 win mags over the years and have a lot of respect for it. If Winchester had not been married to there ball powders and used H4895 like I have been for 40 years I don't think there would have been any problems with the .458 win mag. With that stick powder 2150fps is easily achieved with a Hornady soft or solid. That said, I also have a Dakota .458 Lott that I love but will never get rid of my various .458 win mags which have taken several caribou, deer, bear and waterbuffalo. I don't load the Lott a hole bunch hotter but agree the extra powder capacity helps when loading monolithics. Love the .458 winny and the Lott. Just sick of the .458win mag bashing! If loaded properly it's a great cartridge!
It absolutely is a great cartridge, and as mentioned in the video, its easy to get that perfect 450NE performance with ease. Modern commercial ammo is also great; so every past issue with this cartridge is a thing of the past. Unfortunately, Winchester ignored the issue long enough for a wildcat to become a legitimate and slightly better replacement.
You and UCOG And cyclops videos are my three favorite RUclipsrs right now. The information that I get from you about cartridges you just don’t hear about every day anymore and the hunting prowess that you have coupled with the Vintage rifle knowledge that I get from both you and UCOG speak to the type of information I like to take in on RUclips and history channel and things like that. I love hearing the stories behind the development of the cartridge or the rifle and the significance. I recently started collecting old rifles and moved away from handguns entirely besides my concealed carry gun and my 357 revolver and that 10 mm 1911 I just had to have. There’s nothing more interesting than the story behind the rifle and the cartridge it shoots to me.
I bought a CZ 550 American in .458 Lott just for the heck of it. I liked the rifle and it even had the great CZ set trigger mechanism, though I don't know why it would ever be used on a .458 Lott. The first time I fired that rifle, I was standing and the recoil pulled my trigger hand right off the grip. I waited 20 minutes before taking a second shot. I used a shoulder recoil pad after that, but decided that rifle had way too much recoil to shoot too often. BTW, I'm 5' 11" and a solid 200 lbs. I sold it and am now happy to stick with my Kimber Talkeetna in .375 H&H for all my dangerous game needs. I believe the Lott is a great round, but the rifle will need some recoil reduction work to suit the average hunter.
I have just discovered you, and I am really enjoying your videos during quarantine. I have a CZ 550 in 375 H&H that I bought 8 years ago and had converted to 375 Ackely Improved and had the chamber lengthened so I can seat the bullets out further. I can shoot a Match King 350 grain bullet with BC of .7 to .8 at just under 2500 fps with Ramshot Magnum powder. I had an 8 ounce merc tube added to the butt stock, and a premium recoil pad added. Its not as powerful as the 416 Rem, but its getting there. Where it excels is for ultra long range shooting where the extremely high BC gives it more energy at long range than most 416 and 458 in particular bullets could ever have. I really appreciate all your years of reading up on African hunters and your extensive library of books and magazines. However, I'm a bit surprised that as a hunter yourself, your not using the Taylor Knock Out value when you compare cartridges. The energy formula, especially for "heavy weight, big bore" rifles, is pretty obsolete. It gives a 2x advantage to velocity, and ignores many other factors that John Taylor saw as being more representative of what happens with "big bore" rifles in the field. Great videos otherwise, really enjoying them. Thank you. Regards. -Tutt
Interesting and informative video as usual. I have a Model 70 Super Express in .458Win mag. It is plenty of gun for anything. Can be downloaded to easy 45-70 loads as well.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 just picked up my Model 70. Got a GREAT deal on old but brand new Winchester white box brass (200 cases for $169.00) and worked up 3 loads. Went from Marlin level 45-70 to Ruger level 45-70 to low .458Win. Each step up let you know it was a different critter. The Marlin 45-70 load was laughably light in recoil.
A really level headed review of this excellent cartridge made for budget rifle buyers, I don't think you mentioned that the 458 Lott chamber reamer can convert the 458 Win without much trouble, and the Lott can be used quite comfortably by women as you show on your video, as you observe the recoil of even a 577 NE is not a problem when facing game, but I find shooting 50 rounds at the range can cause a little shoulder bruising, and you have to be aware of any overhead awnings at the range due to muzzle rise. Sensible choice not to fit a scope, or the much disliked muzzle brake. Many thanks for posting this! Chris B.
Good vid especially about scope use. I will never hunt Africa but years ago l came across a deal on a .458 Win. that l just couldn’t pass up. Also my favourite rifle. The original Ruger M77 in this case it is the Tropical. It takes more concentration to shoot it well and is great for practising with. It has a Leupold 2.75 x scope on it which l am now thinking about dismounting to shoot this old girl with the irons only. It is a lot of fun especially shooting water filled jugs to capture those big old bullets ha ha. My .338 win mag seems kind of tame afterwards as well as my .300 win mag lol. Both also are old school M77’s. Bill Ruger’s masterpiece. Thank you good luck all the best. Really like your videos. 🇨🇦🤠
well, i had a cz550 magnum in 458winmag rechamberd to LOTT. it didn’t feed well with local peregrine bullets, so i took the barrel and put in on a mauser 98 action, now it is a true gem, most reliable and smooth feeding with any ammo. anyway i bought another cz550 in 458winmag that will become a 450 rigby. lets see if it wants to feed
As usual a wonderful video I really enjoyed the history behind the 458 thank you if you’ve done a video that I’m asking about next please let me know but if you have not I would love to see your version of comparing a 375 Ruger with the venerable 375 H&H. I would love to see a video talking about the various 416s thank you
I love the fact thwt every time i watch one of your videos, i either get a gun or out door ad. Not like that for most channels tp actually get an ad related to the channel.
OMG, I remember the first shot of this beast in the early 90's. We, a group of employees had to shot same functional tests by some hunting rifles of the gunstore at shooting range. My teammates wanted to kidding me, one of them gave me that beast after I shooted some 9.3 's and .375 H&H without any words about caliber, trigger or so. For gods sake open sighted. My own body weight is about 200 lbs., but the unespected kick smack me from the seat onto the floor. A real good joke, as well. Aargh !
My girlfriend prefers the 458 lott recoil over the 375 h h. She won’t shoot the 375. She also shoots a 500 Linebaugh. I love the rigby. Just holding the cartridge is cool. Nice video. I heard the 378 Weatherby is the one to watch out for recoil. The worst.
I have a friend "I'm not that stupid " who used to hunt with a .460 Weatherby and I worked up all his loads for him. Weatherby factory loads are brutal! The .460 doesn't need to be loaded that hot! I used to load 400gr barnes X to around 2550fps which he used on a Kodiak bear and various African plains game and 500gr Hornady solids at around 2400fps which
Mark Loomis I shot the 460 and owned the 458 lott. I myself and Craig Boddington has stated in his book that the 378 Weatherby is the one caliber that he dreaded to shoot.
Shot my dads custom ultralite 458 lott from the bench. Neither of us had shot it. For reference I was 6’3” & about 260lbs. That was a massive punch. So, bench + it weighing less than a Remington 700 off the shelf… I actually have a video of it on one of my channels. Nonetheless we added weight to the gun. He dropped a massive Buffalo with it. One shot. Bang.
Thank you a lot(t). Your videos are always very informative, interesting and very well done. Just for your information, in Italy to wish “good hunting “ to hunters is considered very ominous... 🤷🏻♂️
It is true that the .458 Lott kicks. On the bench, I get tired after 25-30 rounds. Standing up, my younger son shot 2 boxes of 500 grains commercial ammo (Hornady), in one session (he is 19...) His shoulder was a little blue the next morning... Thanks for this superb video...
As for versatility, about 20 or 25 years ago I read an article while sitting the barber shop that claimed the 458 win mag was the most versatile round for north American game. The author downloaded the round for a lighter bullet and used it for elk, white tail, black bear and other north American game. I reload and have always thought that was a novel Idea.
I actually use a .375H&H for all my game hunting here in south Texas. So I understand what you’re saying. I use 250 grain Hornady GMX for just about everything and it kills DEAD. I use 300 grain solids and it simply zips throw pigs and deer and coyote and never slows down. Literally never slow down at all. It puts small 375 caliber holes in them and just keep going. Believe it or not you can eat right up to the hole!!! The .375H&H is by far and away the greatest game caliber on the planet. It will kill from small pigs in south Texas all the way to very large elephants in South Africa. The recoil is roughly 2.5 times a .30-06 but when standing you’ll hardly notice it.
I have always loaded the .458 win mag with 350gr Barnes tsx for lighter game like deer and caribou at 2550 fps with excellent performance out to 400 yds! The new 300gr ttsx can easily reach 2700 fps and should shoot even flatter but I haven't taken any game with it yet. You wanna talk about versatility, how's about loading the .458 as a shotgun shell! It works great as a short range squirrel or snake load! Sky's the limit and have fun with it. It's not just a close range dangerous game cartridge.
@@bobneal790 Not so "bad ass" nothing more than about a 410 shotgun seeing that is nearly identical in both length and diameter as the 410 shell,,,but because of the rifling in the barrel it performs way worse than a smoothbore shotgun in terms of shot pattern spread,,,at just 20 yards the pattern is so spread out your lucky if you can hit a pop can consistantly by anything other than dumb luck (very much the same way it is with the taurus judge revolver and i've tried one of those and they SUCK in every way,,,worthless with shot and inacurate as hell with 45 colt and shotgun slugs and seriously underpowered with the latter), you can't even make use of the strong gun and brass case because the faster you try to drive the shot from the rifled barrel the worse the shot spread gets (been there tested that),, if you want a shotgun get a shotgun it will actually be something you can make good use of and cost WAY WAY less in every way than a rifle chambered in 458 anything,,,and if you want a "snake gun" buy one of those cheap bond derringers in 410/45 colt and shoot 410 shells in it or just use the same sidearm you carry for normal day to day protection because if you are close enough to make effective use of one of the pistol type shotguns with rifled barrels that can shoot with 410 you're close enough to hit it with any gun (or at least if your close enough for the snake to be a threat),,,if you have time to dick around reloading your rifle with specially loaded shot shells then you have time enough to just back off and leave the snake alone and not be one of those dick heads that feel the need to kill just for the sick joy off it( I'm assuming your not running around with your hunting/dangerous game rifle loaded with home made shot shells and will have to unload at least one of the normal hunting rounds to load a shotshell you made up and just happen to be carrying),,,while I wouldn't hesitate a second to kill a venomious snake in my yard or home or if it was way too close to safely back away or it was actully pursuing me people need to grow the hell up and learn to leave such creatures alone if they are out in the wild otherwise minding their own bussiness.
Looking around online right now in 2024 458 lott ammo costs less than 458 win mag ammo. But, aside from a few used cz 550 rifles and very expensive blaser rifles, there are not many 458 lott options. There are more used 458 win mag rifles available. No sign of brass available for either.
hi, i carried a Ruger M77 in .458 Win mag for over 10 yrs as a wilderness guide in South Africa, and i trusted it completely, .. i'd say the most important factor is shot placement, then the bullet make up.. (i.e. hand load vs factory, projectile material, powder load etc. - i carried hand loaded 500 gr. brass monolithic solids). The mistake some folks make is loading the .458 Win mag cartridges too hot trying to avoid issues experienced by shooters before modern nitro propellants nullified those issues. I bought my rifle from a PH after his client shot a zebra with it but due to the recoil from the super hot hand load the 3 round magazine box deformed leading to cycling issues (all three rounds jumped out when the bolt was opened).. i replaced the magazine box and using sane hand loads never experienced any further problems with it.
The other thing that alot of PH'S did to get ammo for the 458 LOTT was to use 375 take the bullet out of the cartridge half the load charge then pack in so cotton wool & fire form the 375 in yr 458 to get cartridge's aw there where none around👍👍
This. Was. Something. I. Could.nt. of. Guessed...with. ammo. Interchangeablity. For. More. Than. Just. Fire forming... I. Will. Say. I. Liked. Your. .35. Whelen... video... too... good. Job. On. Both. In. My. Opinion... have. A. nice. Day..
Both cartridges came on scene when safari for rhino and elephant were still common unlike today. Who actually hunts tusked elephant anymore and rhino is a closed subject. Neither are necessary for cape buffalo. They are overkill for anything in North America.
@@garytellep5392 Tusked elephant hunts are extremely common in Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique, and Tanzania. Thousands from Zimbabwe alone every year (many areas have populations that exceed carrying capacity). Rhino are still hunted in South Africa, but only really old ones on overpopulated private land.
@desertdogoutdoors1113 I really love this video compared to the 458 win mag. If you make a new video in this category, compare the 458 Lott to the 470 nitro express specifically. Maybe even 470 nitro express No.2 also. After reading Taylors book he decisively states that .450-..475 is more than capable for taking DG. This makes me almost want to upgrade to a 458 Lott or .470 nitro express for buffalo. I realize the book is much older than today’s upgraded bullet technology. I’m thinking about a model 70 in 458 win mag rebored to 458 Lott. Or should I just go custom? Thoughts? Thank for the awesome content Desert Dog. P.S. I already have a 416 rem mag and 375 h and h. Both are great shooters and I handle well.
This will suffice for my daily bullet porn. I dont think ill ever go hunting in Africa so practically speaking my .375 H&H is as large as ill ever need but I do want a .458 Lott. I was debating between that or .460 WBY but living in Canada our incompetent government made the decision for me. The big weatherby is now a prohibited weapon because it exceeds 10,000 joules of energy 🤷♂️
The Lott is a great cartridge but it is a thumper. I used it to hunt and kill Cape Buffalo, Kudu and a Zebra with it in Zimbabwe and South Africa. While there I met a hunter from California who used his .458 Lott to take an elephant. The earliest rifles I recalled being mass produced in this caliber were from Ruger and CZ. I suspect both companies helped popularize the cartridge since before that it was more of a custom/semi-custom proposition to have a .458 Lott rifle. Good advice on using a shoulder pad especially when sighting it in off a bench. A final comment, the recoil from a .470 NE or a 500 NE in a double rifle will pound you the same as the .458 Lott at muzzle velocities in the range of 2,150 fps. To shoot these guns a hunter has to get acclimated to the recoil so follow up shots are effective. Why? Because with dangerous game, your Professional Hunter will want you to fire a follow up shot or shots as insurance. Hats off to you for producing a good, informative video.
Thank you again, for such an informative Video! Can you please make a Video that Answers the Question: Can you Ream a Win. Model 70 Safari Express .458 Win. Mag. Chamber to a .458 Lott Chambering, without having to Lengthen the Magazine and the Bottom of the Receiver, or must those two Modifications be Made, as well as Installing a Longer Magazine Follower, and Follower Spring?
I would like to see a video about my favorite rifles, wby mark v 378 and 460 mag. I shoot both in bench with only a Sandbag rest. Both with full load ammo.
Unfortunately, I'm not a fan or those cartridges. "solutions looking for a problem". I'd take a good old 404J or 416 over them anyday for 15 to 100 yard shots on DG.
Great video, I’m thinking about going to Africa and I have 450 Lott. Does anyone have any experience or advice of what type of reflex /redDot scope I should place on this it’s not going shake to pieces. Thanks
I have no experience with 505 Barnes Supreme. WAYYYYY too much for me (and I like big bores). Honestly, I don't even use my 505 Gibbs. I'm happy to draw the line at 458 Lott / 470NE.
Bram, this is not the sort of thing to take the rifle, fifty rounds and go look for a ground hog encampment. I've got a .458 Winchester and it is NOT fun to shoot.
A real thumper, but I just don't shoot mine much anymore. I think the 416's and 458's do everything I need. In fact, every year I grow more fond of the 416 Rem and Rigby.
CZ550 and Montana Rifles were the easiest way to go for a production 458 Lott. With the 550 discontinued and Montana out of business, it's a used gun or custom gun market now. The Ruger #1 might still be available in Lott; Weatherby also. European manufacturers also do limited runs.
Great video explaining how the .458 Lott came to be. I have a CZ-550 American Safari Magnum in .458 Lott, and I love it! It has a great laminated stock, beautiful and tough. Built on a BRNO ZKK-602, double square bridge Mauser action, it is dead reliable. The recoil is stiff, but not unmanageable. I’ve shot lightweight 45/70’s that were much worse.
You have done a very good job of explaining the history of the 458 Lott
Excellent and useful film. I have a BRNO actioned .458 custom built by Paul Roberts with Holland style QD scope mounts and stocked by Mark Renmant - a lovely handling 'controlled feed rifle and very accurate. I had to stop a charge with it once in Africa using old British ammo. This very nearly caused a serious issue because of inadequate penetration. When crono tested after this event the ammo velocity was far less than it should have been. I remain a fan of .416 Rigby which offers power and penetration. But my Roberts .458 handles so well that I will stick with it but pay closer attention to ammo in future. Lesson learned.
The ability to shoot 458 Winchester Magnum in a 458 LOTT makes it a better chambering.
Totally
AGreed
We just started a honey Safari in the Northern Territory of Australia, water, buffalo and Banteng I’m buying a lot from my Safari as a guide gun. Thank you for this information makes me think that I’m making the right decision.
I really enjoy the history and the story behind the cartridges and how it came to be.
Great video and informative regarding the 458 WIN and 416 REM.
458 Lott is a fantastic round.
Many thanks for your completely informations in your channel.
History, experience and competence too.
Well done...
You need to do more cartridge history videos
I don't need a .458 as I have a .375 H&H. But there's a local shop with a Model 70 Super Grade in .458 Winchester for a good price. Therefore I feel the need to buy it.
As always, amazing video!!! And something that no ordinary hunter can hear or learn, except from a hunter who has had the opportunity to hunting the largest animals in the world...
Best rifle videos on the tube. Extreme attention to detail, good work sir.
Love my CZ 550 , got in 2006 , 45-70 to more than you can stand ... Jacques was a hero of mine growing up ..
Mr. Lott was a very fascinating character.
Another great video. I totally didn’t know the two .458s were interchangeable!
They are only interchangeable in a Lott chamber... the regular 458 Win mag cant chamber the longer Lott... I mean you can play with seating depths, but that's not alot of wiggle room
Only the Lott chambered rifle is, not the other way around.
I've been loading and shooting the great .458 win mag for over 30 years and have a great respect for it. It's a very versatile round if you reload for it and I have taken 5 caribou at over 300yds with barnes 350gr triple shocks, a couple whitetails and water buffalo in Argentina with 500gr hornadys. I have even shot squirrels with it by making it into a shotgun shell! That said, I don't understand why Winchester used a 2.5" case for the .458 win mag when the model 70 was already chambered in the 2.85" .375 H&H and while they were at it they used the wrong smokeless powder! Ball powders don't like to be compressed! I've always loaded the .458 win mag with H4895 for 2150fps with the 500gr hornadys in a 24" barrel with no pressure problems. I have several .458 win mags and love them but I also have a Dakota arms .458 Lott which is going to Africa next year for Cape buffalo!
Ash Merch Yes, ofcourse
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 correct! But since the CZ-550s are being discontinued, could someone, let's say buy a Winchester 70 Safari in 458 Win mag then have it reemed by a smith to the longer Lott, without pressure issues? Or is that a completely different action size? The reason I ask is (as you stated in the video) the 458 win is "standard" length and the Lott is "Magnum" length. My guess would be that it can be done... because of the other chamberings offered ( .375 H&H and .416 Remington Magnum) I doubt they shortened the action just for the 458 Win Mag, I bet it's like Howa 1500's and Weatherby Vanguard's that they make 1 action size that fits the longest cartridges and the shorter ones just ride the feed ramp a little longer before hitting the throat of the rifle
Excellent video, and I'm a believer! My CZ550 458 LOTT rocks!
The 458 Lott is one of the few rounds that I've heard Craig Boddington describe as his upper limit for recoil; that says it all to me.
This was a very informative video but like Clint Eastwood said once, "A man's gotta know his limitations." I'd like to try one of these rifles but it doesn't look like something I'll run out to buy just to shoot for the heck of it.
Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts on this beast of a round. Another great video, as always!
Definitely, I'd probably shoot someone else's 458, but I highly doubt I'd buy my own.
@@willrowell3218 Exactly!
You're missing the point guys. The great thing about the .458 win mag and the Lott is there versatility. They can be loaded down to black powder 45/70 levels or hotter 45/70 smokeless levels. They can be loaded with light 250 or 300gr bullets for a flat trajectory that rivals a 30-06 and hits like a freight train!
Because they have a straight case they can be loaded into a shotgun shell for close range pest control and of course load those 500gr heavies for when the local pachaderms get into your garden! Nothing is more versatile than a .458!
Scene 16:48 - I was completely honest with myself in that I knew I did not need a rifle chambered for a big game African safari cartridge, but it didn't stop me from getting a Ruger M77 Mk 2 Safari rifle chambered in the 458 Lott.
Same here. I don't have one right now, but the same rifle is probably the 1st on my list right now
Just in case God decides to put t rexes back on the planet.
I picked up a Past pad after your African rifles video, worth its weight in gold with the magnums.
Definitely worth it.
I just brought one today.........Oddly enough I found it at Academy Sports.
I agree with you to a point. I have had several .458 win mags over the years and have a lot of respect for it. If Winchester had not been married to there ball powders and used H4895 like I have been for 40 years I don't think there would have been any problems with the .458 win mag. With that stick powder 2150fps is easily achieved with a Hornady soft or solid. That said, I also have a Dakota .458 Lott that I love but will never get rid of my various .458 win mags which have taken several caribou, deer, bear and waterbuffalo. I don't load the Lott a hole bunch hotter but agree the extra powder capacity helps when loading monolithics. Love the .458 winny and the Lott. Just sick of the .458win mag bashing! If loaded properly it's a great cartridge!
It absolutely is a great cartridge, and as mentioned in the video, its easy to get that perfect 450NE performance with ease. Modern commercial ammo is also great; so every past issue with this cartridge is a thing of the past. Unfortunately, Winchester ignored the issue long enough for a wildcat to become a legitimate and slightly better replacement.
You and UCOG And cyclops videos are my three favorite RUclipsrs right now. The information that I get from you about cartridges you just don’t hear about every day anymore and the hunting prowess that you have coupled with the Vintage rifle knowledge that I get from both you and UCOG speak to the type of information I like to take in on RUclips and history channel and things like that. I love hearing the stories behind the development of the cartridge or the rifle and the significance. I recently started collecting old rifles and moved away from handguns entirely besides my concealed carry gun and my 357 revolver and that 10 mm 1911 I just had to have. There’s nothing more interesting than the story behind the rifle and the cartridge it shoots to me.
TheCheapShot - I recommend GunBlue490 as well. A wealth of information.
Thank you
I bought a CZ 550 American in .458 Lott just for the heck of it. I liked the rifle and it even had the great CZ set trigger mechanism, though I don't know why it would ever be used on a .458 Lott. The first time I fired that rifle, I was standing and the recoil pulled my trigger hand right off the grip. I waited 20 minutes before taking a second shot. I used a shoulder recoil pad after that, but decided that rifle had way too much recoil to shoot too often. BTW, I'm 5' 11" and a solid 200 lbs. I sold it and am now happy to stick with my Kimber Talkeetna in .375 H&H for all my dangerous game needs. I believe the Lott is a great round, but the rifle will need some recoil reduction work to suit the average hunter.
You need to get used to it
I want to tell ya , I love your videos , there's not many who put the info out on these big calibers , keep it coming , I love it !!
.458 Lott sounds good for putting those angry cape buffs on the ground.
I have just discovered you, and I am really enjoying your videos during quarantine. I have a CZ 550 in 375 H&H that I bought 8 years ago and had converted to 375 Ackely Improved and had the chamber lengthened so I can seat the bullets out further. I can shoot a Match King 350 grain bullet with BC of .7 to .8 at just under 2500 fps with Ramshot Magnum powder. I had an 8 ounce merc tube added to the butt stock, and a premium recoil pad added. Its not as powerful as the 416 Rem, but its getting there. Where it excels is for ultra long range shooting where the extremely high BC gives it more energy at long range than most 416 and 458 in particular bullets could ever have. I really appreciate all your years of reading up on African hunters and your extensive library of books and magazines. However, I'm a bit surprised that as a hunter yourself, your not using the Taylor Knock Out value when you compare cartridges. The energy formula, especially for "heavy weight, big bore" rifles, is pretty obsolete. It gives a 2x advantage to velocity, and ignores many other factors that John Taylor saw as being more representative of what happens with "big bore" rifles in the field. Great videos otherwise, really enjoying them. Thank you. Regards. -Tutt
Excellent video! really informative!
Excellent video ! Thanks
Interesting and informative video as usual. I have a Model 70 Super Express in .458Win mag. It is plenty of gun for anything. Can be downloaded to easy 45-70 loads as well.
A fine rifle and cartridge.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 just picked up my Model 70. Got a GREAT deal on old but brand new Winchester white box brass (200 cases for $169.00) and worked up 3 loads. Went from Marlin level 45-70 to Ruger level 45-70 to low .458Win. Each step up let you know it was a different critter. The Marlin 45-70 load was laughably light in recoil.
This was a very informative vid on the many aspects of the .458 Lott. Nicely done sir!
I really enjoyed this video as it was both entertaining and very educational, thanks Desert dog you're the best!
A really level headed review of this excellent cartridge made for budget rifle buyers, I don't think you mentioned that the 458 Lott chamber reamer can convert the 458 Win without much trouble, and the Lott can be used quite comfortably by women as you show on your video, as you observe the recoil of even a 577 NE is not a problem when facing game, but I find shooting 50 rounds at the range can cause a little shoulder bruising, and you have to be aware of any overhead awnings at the range due to muzzle rise. Sensible choice not to fit a scope, or the much disliked muzzle brake. Many thanks for posting this! Chris B.
Good vid especially about scope use. I will never hunt Africa but years ago l came across a deal on a .458 Win. that l just couldn’t pass up. Also my favourite rifle. The original Ruger M77 in this case it is the Tropical.
It takes more concentration to shoot it well and is great for practising with. It has a Leupold 2.75 x scope on it which l am now thinking about dismounting to shoot this old girl with the irons only.
It is a lot of fun especially shooting water filled jugs to capture those big old bullets ha ha.
My .338 win mag seems kind of tame afterwards as well as my .300 win mag lol. Both also are old school M77’s.
Bill Ruger’s masterpiece. Thank you good luck all the best. Really like your videos.
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I have several rugers. The big ones are 416 Rigby and 458 lott both in ruger magnum Express rifles. Love them. I'm a ruger guy
Súper cool video…i have ordered a 450 Rigby and I am excited to shoot it!
well, i had a cz550 magnum in 458winmag rechamberd to LOTT. it didn’t feed well with local peregrine bullets, so i took the barrel and put in on a mauser 98 action, now it is a true gem, most reliable and smooth feeding with any ammo.
anyway i bought another cz550 in 458winmag that will become a 450 rigby. lets see if it wants to feed
As usual a wonderful video I really enjoyed the history behind the 458 thank you if you’ve done a video that I’m asking about next please let me know but if you have not I would love to see your version of comparing a 375 Ruger with the venerable 375 H&H. I would love to see a video talking about the various 416s thank you
Thank you for the educational video.
I love the fact thwt every time i watch one of your videos, i either get a gun or out door ad. Not like that for most channels tp actually get an ad related to the channel.
Thank you for a great video!
OMG, I remember the first shot of this beast in the early 90's. We, a group of employees had to shot same functional tests by some hunting rifles of the gunstore at shooting range. My teammates wanted to kidding me, one of them gave me that beast after I shooted some 9.3 's and .375 H&H without any words about caliber, trigger or so. For gods sake open sighted. My own body weight is about 200 lbs., but the unespected kick smack me from the seat onto the floor. A real good joke, as well. Aargh !
Excellent
Thank you, Paul from Vermont.
Love your cartridge reviews. Thank you!
My girlfriend prefers the 458 lott recoil over the 375 h h. She won’t shoot the 375. She also shoots a 500 Linebaugh. I love the rigby. Just holding the cartridge is cool. Nice video. I heard the 378 Weatherby is the one to watch out for recoil. The worst.
378 Wby is bad.....until you get to shoot a 460 Wby! I love big bores, even the 505 Gibbs and 500 Jeffery; but that 460 Weatherby is no fun to shoot.
I have a friend "I'm not that stupid " who used to hunt with a
.460 Weatherby and I worked up all his loads for him. Weatherby factory loads are brutal! The .460 doesn't need to be loaded that hot! I used to load 400gr barnes X to around 2550fps which he used on a Kodiak bear and various African plains game and 500gr Hornady solids at around 2400fps which
Mark Loomis I shot the 460 and owned the 458 lott. I myself and Craig Boddington has stated in his book that the 378 Weatherby is the one caliber that he dreaded to shoot.
Great video thanks!
Shot my dads custom ultralite 458 lott from the bench. Neither of us had shot it. For reference I was 6’3” & about 260lbs. That was a massive punch. So, bench + it weighing less than a Remington 700 off the shelf… I actually have a video of it on one of my channels. Nonetheless we added weight to the gun. He dropped a massive Buffalo with it. One shot. Bang.
Great content, thanks for boosting my .416 REM. Good thoughts on scopes with high recoil.
Awesome stuff.. Thank you!
Thank you a lot(t). Your videos are always very informative, interesting and very well done. Just for your information, in Italy to wish “good hunting “ to hunters is considered very ominous... 🤷🏻♂️
It is true that the .458 Lott kicks. On the bench, I get tired after 25-30 rounds. Standing up, my younger son shot 2 boxes of 500 grains commercial ammo (Hornady), in one session (he is 19...) His shoulder was a little blue the next morning... Thanks for this superb video...
I actually didnt know the Lott came after the Win Mag
As for versatility, about 20 or 25 years ago I read an article while sitting the barber shop that claimed the 458 win mag was the most versatile round for north American game. The author downloaded the round for a lighter bullet and used it for elk, white tail, black bear and other north American game. I reload and have always thought that was a novel Idea.
I actually use a .375H&H for all my game hunting here in south Texas. So I understand what you’re saying. I use 250 grain Hornady GMX for just about everything and it kills DEAD. I use 300 grain solids and it simply zips throw pigs and deer and coyote and never slows down. Literally never slow down at all. It puts small 375 caliber holes in them and just keep going. Believe it or not you can eat right up to the hole!!! The .375H&H is by far and away the greatest game caliber on the planet. It will kill from small pigs in south Texas all the way to very large elephants in South Africa. The recoil is roughly 2.5 times a .30-06 but when standing you’ll hardly notice it.
I have always loaded the .458 win mag with 350gr Barnes tsx for lighter game like deer and caribou at 2550 fps with excellent performance out to 400 yds! The new 300gr ttsx can easily reach
2700 fps and should shoot even flatter but I haven't taken any game with it yet. You wanna talk about versatility, how's about loading the .458 as a shotgun shell! It works great as a short range squirrel or snake load! Sky's the limit and have fun with it. It's not just a close range dangerous game cartridge.
@@markloomis1415 I would LOVE to shoot that as a shotgun shell. Omg that sounds bad ass.
@@bobneal790 Not so "bad ass" nothing more than about a 410 shotgun seeing that is nearly identical in both length and diameter as the 410 shell,,,but because of the rifling in the barrel it performs way worse than a smoothbore shotgun in terms of shot pattern spread,,,at just 20 yards the pattern is so spread out your lucky if you can hit a pop can consistantly by anything other than dumb luck (very much the same way it is with the taurus judge revolver and i've tried one of those and they SUCK in every way,,,worthless with shot and inacurate as hell with 45 colt and shotgun slugs and seriously underpowered with the latter), you can't even make use of the strong gun and brass case because the faster you try to drive the shot from the rifled barrel the worse the shot spread gets (been there tested that),, if you want a shotgun get a shotgun it will actually be something you can make good use of and cost WAY WAY less in every way than a rifle chambered in 458 anything,,,and if you want a "snake gun" buy one of those cheap bond derringers in 410/45 colt and shoot 410 shells in it or just use the same sidearm you carry for normal day to day protection because if you are close enough to make effective use of one of the pistol type shotguns with rifled barrels that can shoot with 410 you're close enough to hit it with any gun (or at least if your close enough for the snake to be a threat),,,if you have time to dick around reloading your rifle with specially loaded shot shells then you have time enough to just back off and leave the snake alone and not be one of those dick heads that feel the need to kill just for the sick joy off it( I'm assuming your not running around with your hunting/dangerous game rifle loaded with home made shot shells and will have to unload at least one of the normal hunting rounds to load a shotshell you made up and just happen to be carrying),,,while I wouldn't hesitate a second to kill a venomious snake in my yard or home or if it was way too close to safely back away or it was actully pursuing me people need to grow the hell up and learn to leave such creatures alone if they are out in the wild otherwise minding their own bussiness.
Can you please do a video on the 470 NE,by the way awesome video👌
Looking around online right now in 2024 458 lott ammo costs less than 458 win mag ammo. But, aside from a few used cz 550 rifles and very expensive blaser rifles, there are not many 458 lott options. There are more used 458 win mag rifles available. No sign of brass available for either.
Well I hope my 458 Winchester magnum does well on my buffalo hunting in Africa I could not order a 458 lot it was on back order
It will do great; as will 416 and 375.
@@desertdogoutdoors1113 thanks this will be my first trip to Africa
hi, i carried a Ruger M77 in .458 Win mag for over 10 yrs as a wilderness guide in South Africa, and i trusted it completely, .. i'd say the most important factor is shot placement, then the bullet make up.. (i.e. hand load vs factory, projectile material, powder load etc. - i carried hand loaded 500 gr. brass monolithic solids). The mistake some folks make is loading the .458 Win mag cartridges too hot trying to avoid issues experienced by shooters before modern nitro propellants nullified those issues. I bought my rifle from a PH after his client shot a zebra with it but due to the recoil from the super hot hand load the 3 round magazine box deformed leading to cycling issues (all three rounds jumped out when the bolt was opened).. i replaced the magazine box and using sane hand loads never experienced any further problems with it.
@@giveitstick66 Shot placement. Pretty much says it all, no matter what you hunt.
With modern powders and ammunition available today, your 458wm will do great. It is near perfect if you can shoot well with your gun.
How about 375 REMINGTON ultra mag?
Thanks, I enjoy your ammo/gun reviews. Will you review any "tamer" bullets in the future like from the 45-70 family? (45-70, 45-90, 45-110 etc.)
He has. Its called "45-70 an overrated cartridge"
458 Lott should have been developed much sooner than it did. I have to agree with Desert Dog on the 416.
Love the 458 but the 416 as you said has become a very good big bore do all cartridge
The other thing that alot of PH'S did to get ammo for the 458 LOTT was to use 375 take the bullet out of the cartridge half the load charge then pack in so cotton wool & fire form the 375 in yr 458 to get cartridge's aw there where none around👍👍
Good video.
This. Was. Something. I. Could.nt. of. Guessed...with. ammo. Interchangeablity. For. More. Than. Just. Fire forming... I. Will. Say. I. Liked. Your. .35. Whelen... video... too... good. Job. On. Both. In. My. Opinion... have. A. nice. Day..
I Like The 458 a Lott 😀
A bit late, but the interchageabilty between 458's works with controled feed actions
Both cartridges came on scene when safari for rhino and elephant were still common unlike today. Who actually hunts tusked elephant anymore and rhino is a closed subject. Neither are necessary for cape buffalo. They are overkill for anything in North America.
@@garytellep5392 Tusked elephant hunts are extremely common in Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique, and Tanzania. Thousands from Zimbabwe alone every year (many areas have populations that exceed carrying capacity). Rhino are still hunted in South Africa, but only really old ones on overpopulated private land.
@desertdogoutdoors1113 I really love this video compared to the 458 win mag. If you make a new video in this category, compare the 458 Lott to the 470 nitro express specifically. Maybe even 470 nitro express No.2 also. After reading Taylors book he decisively states that .450-..475 is more than capable for taking DG.
This makes me almost want to upgrade to a 458 Lott or .470 nitro express for buffalo. I realize the book is much older than today’s upgraded bullet technology.
I’m thinking about a model 70 in 458 win mag rebored to 458 Lott. Or should I just go custom? Thoughts?
Thank for the awesome content Desert Dog.
P.S. I already have a 416 rem mag and 375 h and h. Both are great shooters and I handle well.
This will suffice for my daily bullet porn. I dont think ill ever go hunting in Africa so practically speaking my .375 H&H is as large as ill ever need but I do want a .458 Lott. I was debating between that or .460 WBY but living in Canada our incompetent government made the decision for me. The big weatherby is now a prohibited weapon because it exceeds 10,000 joules of energy 🤷♂️
I own a 458 Lott so I can hunt with cast bullets. When hunting with cast bullets you have to go big.
Good info
Take a look at the 458 Edge.
What is a 458 edge
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The Lott is a great cartridge but it is a thumper. I used it to hunt and kill Cape Buffalo, Kudu and a Zebra with it in Zimbabwe and South Africa. While there I met a hunter from California who used his .458 Lott to take an elephant. The earliest rifles I recalled being mass produced in this caliber were from Ruger and CZ. I suspect both companies helped popularize the cartridge since before that it was more of a custom/semi-custom proposition to have a .458 Lott rifle. Good advice on using a shoulder pad especially when sighting it in off a bench. A final comment, the recoil from a .470 NE or a 500 NE in a double rifle will pound you the same as the .458 Lott at muzzle velocities in the range of 2,150 fps. To shoot these guns a hunter has to get acclimated to the recoil so follow up shots are effective. Why? Because with dangerous game, your Professional Hunter will want you to fire a follow up shot or shots as insurance. Hats off to you for producing a good, informative video.
Zimbabwe? Funny way of spelling Rhodesia
As an owner of the 458LOTT, can confirm to stay off the bench whenever possible. Freehand all the way
Please do a video like this on 375 ruger.
Probably not. It, and the 416 Ruger were pretty much DOA. Those cartridges also doomed the Hawkeye African rifle. Not an interesting topic to me.
Thank you again, for such an informative Video!
Can you please make a Video that Answers the Question: Can you Ream a Win. Model 70 Safari Express .458 Win. Mag. Chamber to a .458 Lott Chambering, without having to Lengthen the Magazine and the Bottom of the Receiver, or must those two Modifications be Made, as well as Installing a Longer Magazine Follower, and Follower Spring?
Both my REM 700 and Win 70 have had their chambers opened for the Lott with no problem.
I would like to see a video about my favorite rifles, wby mark v 378 and 460 mag. I shoot both in bench with only a Sandbag rest. Both with full load ammo.
Unfortunately, I'm not a fan or those cartridges. "solutions looking for a problem". I'd take a good old 404J or 416 over them anyday for 15 to 100 yard shots on DG.
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@@rickmosher1079 I second his comment. These bullets also perform better when they're not flying faster than 2400 fps.
I have a 458 lott in a Ruger m77 mark 2 magnum Express rifle
I know it is a newer cartridge read love to hear your opinion and uses for the 6.5 Creedmoor
Subscribe to my channel, scroll through my videos, and watch my 6.5 Creedmoor video.
The 6.5 creedmoor has been popular for at least 5 years
I was wondering if you could tell me where you got the sling you have on your 458 Lott? I've looked and can't find any slings like that ?
Montana Sling
Great video, I’m thinking about going to Africa and I have 450 Lott. Does anyone have any experience or advice of what type of reflex /redDot scope I should place on this it’s not going shake to pieces. Thanks
Aimpoint Micro or Trijicon RMR. Don't bother with the others.
I have a 505 Barnes made by Fred Barnes I don't see much info on YT on this cartridge could you do a show on the 505 Barnes ?
I have no experience with 505 Barnes Supreme. WAYYYYY too much for me (and I like big bores). Honestly, I don't even use my 505 Gibbs. I'm happy to draw the line at 458 Lott / 470NE.
very good versatility to 300gr barnes to 700 grain only bad is recoil aiaia they need those big bore ones in semi auto lol
What is the large shoulder mount over your fireplace?
Blue Wildebeest
Now that’s a coyote gun lol I would like to shoot one some time probably won’t ever need one but still be cool to have a range day with
brambo4791 let’s make it happen I’ve got one in a ruger #1
Bram, this is not the sort of thing to take the rifle, fifty rounds and go look for a ground hog encampment. I've got a .458 Winchester and it is NOT fun to shoot.
I still think that the Lott is better than the Winchester Magnum
Ill stick to my 505 Gibbs
A real thumper, but I just don't shoot mine much anymore. I think the 416's and 458's do everything I need. In fact, every year I grow more fond of the 416 Rem and Rigby.
So, who still actually makes a 458 Lott in 2024? I haven’t been able to find anyone.
Wish you had said what rifles are available in 458 lott as the model 70 is not
CZ550 and Montana Rifles were the easiest way to go for a production 458 Lott. With the 550 discontinued and Montana out of business, it's a used gun or custom gun market now. The Ruger #1 might still be available in Lott; Weatherby also. European manufacturers also do limited runs.
@desertdogoutdoors do you have any videos on proper shooting technique when using big bores?
Yes. If you look through the videos on my channel, you will see a video titled "using a big bore bolt action rifle".
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Is 458 Lott a straight walled cartridge?
Yes
Desert Dog Outdoors that’s what it looked like. Wonder how it would work during white gale gun season here in Ohio.
Can you possibly shake any more while handling cartridges?
Sorry man. I suffer from hyperthyroidism. Some days are worse than others. Constantly adjusting meds.
Need has nothing to do it with!
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