He pointed a real gun at someone and killed her. I don't care why the gun went off. DO NOT POINT A GUN AT SOMEONE YOU DONT WANT TO KILL EVER. It's pretty fricken simple.
In real life, yes, but not on a movie set. In that clip where two guys walk into the church, they both have their guns drawn and pointed at Alec. Did THEY follow all gun safety rules up to the moment they drew their weapons, or were they relying on the armorer etc to follow the gun safety rules and rely on the "cold gun" that was called right before they drew? Alec is a patsy
@@mfchiro ANYONE even actors who point guns at people and don't injure or kill them is extremely LUCKY! A gun on a movie set works exactly like a gun anywhere else! You never trust someone else to say it's safe and you NEVER point it at anything you're not looking to destroy, even on a movie set!!! Why can't you people get this through your skulls? A movie set isn't some magical place where guns only shoot unicorn rainbow farts!! A gun, is a gun WHEREVER it is and ANYONE handling one is RESPONSIBLE for what happens when they are using it!!!
@@CharlesWolffe I agree with you 100% BUT even if Alec had popped open the cylinder and checked, would he have been able to pick out 1 live round, or did that round look like the other 5? I don't think AB registers very high on the intelligence scale, and he had to rely on his crew who were hired to ensure safety on the movie set. I think this is a matter of civil negligence, possibly even gross negligence, comparative negligence, or contributory negligence, but criminal negligence is going to be hard to prove.
No question he should be convicted and 18 months is not enough. A police officer and parents in Michigan got 10-15 years for same charge. 2 of those 3 never shot anyone but were still charged. Alec short 2 killed one. Hmm only 18months? He could have been out by now. Anyone else would be in jail with a 1 to 2 day trial. They used REAL guns because 1. They are as real as it gets no CGI can best it 2. They are very inexpensive vs CGI So you get the best of both worlds. Price and realism. One problem is they can kill. At least two actors have been killed with Blanks one a barrel obstruction (like a pebble from the sand) another was actor was too close to the barrel. Alec was using the Gun for a laser pointer outside pointing it at actors giving directions. The guy had ZERO respect for safety.
@@16MedicRN Reeves practiced with real weapons I've seen him. For the movie yes I did here that. But john wick was bigger budget and much safer than RUST. They did not have 1/2 the crew walk off being ignored for their worries on gun safety.
@@16MedicRN But your real point is probably why did Rust not use CGI or rubber weapons? And the answer is COST and Realism. Much cheaper but can have deadly results as seen in RUST.
@@Physics072 if ya think that Wick was not realistic, well can't help you there. As far as cost, this is the penalty they pay. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
If that was a fake gun, he wouldn’t have that problem. They used a real gun and that should have raised the level of security with handling the gun. On the other hand , there aren’t supposed to be any real bullets. It’s difficult to check what is loaded in the gun, especially by an actor.
6 live rounds got onto the set that should have never been there. The Hannah Gutierrez case pretty much proved she brought them onto the set and that she most likely accidentally got them from her famous Armorer father, Thell Reid.
Guns can kill. If i were handed a gun and told it was unloaded, i would check if i were going to aim it and have my finger on the trigger. If it shoots, is it aimed at a safe spot? If you miss, what will it hit? Many questions to answer before you pick it up. Gun safety!
I know and appreciate that everyone is doing their best, but a paralegal shouldn't be be actively commentating the trial solo. Some of the takes about law and procedure are just off (not in areas of opinion). Cases turn on technicalities that many in the chat don't understand, and erroneous commentating compounds the misunderstandings and takes away from the educational value.
Chandler, IT'S NOT THE ACTORS JOB TO CHECK THE GUN. I don't like Alec Baldwin but clearly you're biased. Maybe, I don't know, assume he's innocent until the prosecutors prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. This time I might have to watch the trial elsewhere.
Chandler "I was an actor... I know the rules and how all the protocol goes" YOU DO NOT! SAG-AFTRA argued that Baldwin shouldn’t be blamed and especially charged for the “negligent” use of the firearm, since that’s not the role of an actor, it’s the job of the armorer. “The guidelines do not make it the performer’s responsibility to check any firearm. Performers train to perform, and they are not required or expected to be experts on guns or experienced in their use,” SAG-AFTRA added. “The industry assigns that responsibility to qualified professionals who oversee their use and handling in every aspect. Anyone issued a firearm on set must be given training and guidance in its safe handling and use, but all activity with firearms on a set must be under the careful supervision and control of the professional armorer and the employer.” DAY 1 and I just can't stand the bias here. He's guilty in your eyes so you can't even look up the SAG-AFTRA rules for yourself?
This is why I generally watch trials without commentary. The endless, “when you handle a gun” dialogue is hot air. Him being a producer has no impact on this accident, as it is not a producer’s job to clear a prop gun. Civil responsibility maybe, even definitely. But criminal? No shot.
Basic, common sense gun safety used in everyday life does not apply on a set, and I do not believe anyone repeating them in these comments is thinking critically about this case where a) there should never be live ammunition, and b) there is a dedicated employee whose job it is to ensure gun safety. Think of it like this: If this was an incident involving a car chase on set and they were getting shots of Alec driving up to and stopping in front of the camera and the set mechanic cleared the vehicle as safe, if Alec accidentally ran over the director because the break lines and steering column broke, would anyone really blame Alec for not popping the hood and checking the engine, break lines, etc. himself? If everyone is being honest about this situation they would blame the set mechanic for not doing their job and clearing a vehicle that was obviously not safe.
Baldwins paper pad has nothing but stick figures and doodles on it. Was instructed to "Act" like he was busy. Rude and not even listening to the trial is the look. Typical of Alec "Zero Remorse" Baldwin.
this cop LeFleur has NO IDEA WHAT TO DO ...he's clearly a rookie and has no clue how to preserve a crime scene, sequester any suspect(s), witnesses, preserve potential evidence, etc. typical inept Law Enforcement. DEFENSE IS GOING TO SHRED THIS GUY TO PIECES !!
If Alec had been to every training & participated, paid attention & was involved in everything he was supposed to do "as an actor"... Just after opening statements, I would say 'not guilty' but, IDK if they can prove those elements
They use real guns so they can fire blanks. That way the gun will move as well as the actor like if a person was shooting a real gun. The only insane thing about that situation was that a real bullet was allowed in the set
The defense is horrible they make hate Alec and I was on his team. They shouldn't be trying to impeach the cop prove Alec did all the safety steps to prove it was a empty gun. This cop just showed up he can't prove Alec innocents
@@hueginvieny7959 they can't prove Alec obeyed all the safety requirements because he obviously didn't! Did he check the gun? No, did he point the gun at two people? Yes, did he keep his finger off the trigger? Obviously not! Any one of those things could have saved a life so they have to use the "he's just an innocent actor" defense...
This case against AB is insane because he’s not broken a single law Also this bs case should have an impossible task to over come the “beyond a Reasonable doubt . The prosecutor and gang of misfits aught to be required to drug test because they must be high to charge AB with this non sense .
The Defense opening actually made a lot of sense. This was a movie set, and gun safety rules should have been followed by the crew, not by the actor who thought he had an unloaded gun in his hand. While I think Alec THE PRODUCER is liable and should assume financial responsibility for compensating the death and injury of his employees, I dont think Alec the actor can be charged. Although it has not been pointed out yet, and I don't know if it will, why were there live rounds on the set? Who mixed live rounds with dummy rounds, and how is it possible that 1 of 6 rounds in that revolver was a live one? I wonder if it intentionally was planted by a disgruntled crew member, as they were having disagreements and people were walking off the set because of gun safety issues. So, someone, just to prove their point, planted a live round, not thinking someone was going to get shot, but intending to stir the pot or prove a point.
Gun safety needs to be followed by EVERYONE! A gun on set works exactly the same way as a gun anywhere else. If you point a gun on set it will do exactly what it is made to do, and if you are handling a gun, even on set, you're responsible for what happens when you pull the trigger. Being an actor doesn't give you immunity...
The actors don't open and check the guns on their own for 2 reasons, 1 it's overly redundant and 2 if done on their own, it is a moment where you could then question "did they swap out a round", "did they tamper with the guns functionality" etc. You're biased opinion is unfair and prejudicial. The defense has the presumption of innocence and the state has to proove that he committed a crime and that no other person in his position would have the same putcome. If any other person was using that same gun at that same time, it would've still fired a live round, because the armorer made a major mistake. 💯
Because he didn't check to see if it had live ammunition in it... Rule number one: Always assume a gun is loaded and check it yourself... Even on a movie set...
Because he is not just a actor he was a producer and had a responsibility to check the gun. If the president is handed a gun and shoots a kills a person is he not guilty just because a crew of people were present and handed him the gun
The most basic gun safety rules say you never point a gun at a person who you don't intend to shoot whether you are on a movie set or not. Baldwin also lied about his finger being on the trigger. The video shown of that morning on set clearly shows Alec's finger on the trigger. The videos shown at the trial at the Hannah Gutierrez trial clearly show him repeatedly mishandling the gun.
@@debturner5022 All actors who handle guns are definitely required to be trained!!!! Part of Alec Baldwin's culpability in this case is that he blew off the training he was supposed to attend. Also, in the police interview he did, he brags about how much he knows about shake testing the dummy bullets and having holes in them. When the Prosecution shows videos of Alec shooting off his big mouth in multiple interviews and videos of him mishandling the guns, it will probably get him convicted faster than anything else.
The state have found an opportunity to possibly take down a famous actor, thats it plus the big insurance companies plus others who should be paying out don't want to therefore blame has to be put at the feet of others... a mistake was made by the girl who is in jail... couldn't give a flying f**k if he pulled the trigger or not the gun shouldn't have had live rounds ... its as simple as that.
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He pointed a real gun at someone and killed her. I don't care why the gun went off. DO NOT POINT A GUN AT SOMEONE YOU DONT WANT TO KILL EVER. It's pretty fricken simple.
In real life, yes, but not on a movie set. In that clip where two guys walk into the church, they both have their guns drawn and pointed at Alec. Did THEY follow all gun safety rules up to the moment they drew their weapons, or were they relying on the armorer etc to follow the gun safety rules and rely on the "cold gun" that was called right before they drew? Alec is a patsy
@@mfchiro ANYONE even actors who point guns at people and don't injure or kill them is extremely LUCKY! A gun on a movie set works exactly like a gun anywhere else! You never trust someone else to say it's safe and you NEVER point it at anything you're not looking to destroy, even on a movie set!!! Why can't you people get this through your skulls? A movie set isn't some magical place where guns only shoot unicorn rainbow farts!! A gun, is a gun WHEREVER it is and ANYONE handling one is RESPONSIBLE for what happens when they are using it!!!
@@CharlesWolffe I agree with you 100% BUT even if Alec had popped open the cylinder and checked, would he have been able to pick out 1 live round, or did that round look like the other 5? I don't think AB registers very high on the intelligence scale, and he had to rely on his crew who were hired to ensure safety on the movie set. I think this is a matter of civil negligence, possibly even gross negligence, comparative negligence, or contributory negligence, but criminal negligence is going to be hard to prove.
@@mfchiroeven if you put aside not recognizing a live round , pointing and pulling the trigger makes him guilty…
@@mfchiro the pointing and firing count more than recognizing the bullets but how long would it take to check 6 bullets?...
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No question he should be convicted and 18 months is not enough. A police officer and parents in Michigan got 10-15 years for same charge. 2 of those 3 never shot anyone but were still charged. Alec short 2 killed one. Hmm only 18months? He could have been out by now. Anyone else would be in jail with a 1 to 2 day trial.
They used REAL guns because
1. They are as real as it gets no CGI can best it
2. They are very inexpensive vs CGI
So you get the best of both worlds. Price and realism. One problem is they can kill.
At least two actors have been killed with Blanks one a barrel obstruction (like a pebble from the sand) another was actor was too close to the barrel.
Alec was using the Gun for a laser pointer outside pointing it at actors giving directions. The guy had ZERO respect for safety.
Did you know that the John Wick series never used a real weapon?
@@16MedicRN Reeves practiced with real weapons I've seen him. For the movie yes I did here that. But john wick was bigger budget and much safer than RUST. They did not have 1/2 the crew walk off being ignored for their worries on gun safety.
@@Physics072 to all you just said, my point was the entire franchise never used real weapons 😊
@@16MedicRN But your real point is probably why did Rust not use CGI or rubber weapons? And the answer is COST and Realism. Much cheaper but can have deadly results as seen in RUST.
@@Physics072 if ya think that Wick was not realistic, well can't help you there. As far as cost, this is the penalty they pay. Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
If that was a fake gun, he wouldn’t have that problem. They used a real gun and that should have raised the level of security with handling the gun. On the other hand , there aren’t supposed to be any real bullets. It’s difficult to check what is loaded in the gun, especially by an actor.
How did the live round get on the set?
6 live rounds got onto the set that should have never been there. The Hannah Gutierrez case pretty much proved she brought them onto the set and that she most likely accidentally got them from her famous Armorer father, Thell Reid.
Hi Chandler! So glad you are here and feeling well enough to be here! Do you think any of the motions were ruled against incorrectly?
Guns can kill. If i were handed a gun and told it was unloaded, i would check if i were going to aim it and have my finger on the trigger. If it shoots, is it aimed at a safe spot? If you miss, what will it hit? Many questions to answer before you pick it up. Gun safety!
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If I’m the armorer, an actor messing around ‘checking’ the gun is a hell no.
This officer doesn't seem confidant nor knowledgeable.
I know and appreciate that everyone is doing their best, but a paralegal shouldn't be be actively commentating the trial solo. Some of the takes about law and procedure are just off (not in areas of opinion). Cases turn on technicalities that many in the chat don't understand, and erroneous commentating compounds the misunderstandings and takes away from the educational value.
Any time you have live rounds sitting around…..safety protocol should be the utmost importance. If it were me, I would check the gun myself.
Chandler, IT'S NOT THE ACTORS JOB TO CHECK THE GUN. I don't like Alec Baldwin but clearly you're biased. Maybe, I don't know, assume he's innocent until the prosecutors prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. This time I might have to watch the trial elsewhere.
Chandler "I was an actor... I know the rules and how all the protocol goes"
YOU DO NOT!
SAG-AFTRA argued that Baldwin shouldn’t be blamed and especially charged for the “negligent” use of the firearm, since that’s not the role of an actor, it’s the job of the armorer.
“The guidelines do not make it the performer’s responsibility to check any firearm. Performers train to perform, and they are not required or expected to be experts on guns or experienced in their use,” SAG-AFTRA added. “The industry assigns that responsibility to qualified professionals who oversee their use and handling in every aspect. Anyone issued a firearm on set must be given training and guidance in its safe handling and use, but all activity with firearms on a set must be under the careful supervision and control of the professional armorer and the employer.”
DAY 1 and I just can't stand the bias here. He's guilty in your eyes so you can't even look up the SAG-AFTRA rules for yourself?
I think it will be difficult to prove that Baldwin acted "without due caution and circumspection."
Why is he not in leg shackles like other killers in court? I would be scared sitting near him.
He's out on bond.
This is why I generally watch trials without commentary.
The endless, “when you handle a gun” dialogue is hot air.
Him being a producer has no impact on this accident, as it is not a producer’s job to clear a prop gun. Civil responsibility maybe, even definitely. But criminal? No shot.
Basic, common sense gun safety used in everyday life does not apply on a set, and I do not believe anyone repeating them in these comments is thinking critically about this case where a) there should never be live ammunition, and b) there is a dedicated employee whose job it is to ensure gun safety.
Think of it like this:
If this was an incident involving a car chase on set and they were getting shots of Alec driving up to and stopping in front of the camera and the set mechanic cleared the vehicle as safe, if Alec accidentally ran over the director because the break lines and steering column broke, would anyone really blame Alec for not popping the hood and checking the engine, break lines, etc. himself? If everyone is being honest about this situation they would blame the set mechanic for not doing their job and clearing a vehicle that was obviously not safe.
Baldwins paper pad has nothing but stick figures and doodles on it. Was instructed to "Act" like he was busy. Rude and not even listening to the trial is the look. Typical of Alec "Zero Remorse" Baldwin.
@@Physics072 😂
Can’t stand him!
this cop LeFleur has NO IDEA WHAT TO DO ...he's clearly a rookie and has no clue how to preserve a crime scene, sequester any suspect(s), witnesses, preserve potential evidence, etc. typical inept Law Enforcement. DEFENSE IS GOING TO SHRED THIS GUY TO PIECES !!
If Alec had been to every training & participated, paid attention & was involved in everything he was supposed to do "as an actor"... Just after opening statements, I would say 'not guilty' but, IDK if they can prove those elements
They use real guns so they can fire blanks. That way the gun will move as well as the actor like if a person was shooting a real gun. The only insane thing about that situation was that a real bullet was allowed in the set
Is Baldwin falling asleep??😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴
I would like to know why alecs baby brother Adam is there in the court room
That's Stephen Baldwin.
@JustCuzFlowerPower oh OK my bad I keep forgetting about Stephen thank you for yelling me
The defense is horrible they make hate Alec and I was on his team. They shouldn't be trying to impeach the cop prove Alec did all the safety steps to prove it was a empty gun. This cop just showed up he can't prove Alec innocents
@@hueginvieny7959 they can't prove Alec obeyed all the safety requirements because he obviously didn't! Did he check the gun? No, did he point the gun at two people? Yes, did he keep his finger off the trigger? Obviously not! Any one of those things could have saved a life so they have to use the "he's just an innocent actor" defense...
Yes chndler he should absolutely be convicted.
You are definitely biased.
This case against AB is insane because he’s not broken a single law
Also this bs case should have an impossible task to over come the “beyond a Reasonable doubt .
The prosecutor and gang of misfits aught to be required to drug test because they must be high to charge AB with this non sense .
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The Defense opening actually made a lot of sense. This was a movie set, and gun safety rules should have been followed by the crew, not by the actor who thought he had an unloaded gun in his hand. While I think Alec THE PRODUCER is liable and should assume financial responsibility for compensating the death and injury of his employees, I dont think Alec the actor can be charged. Although it has not been pointed out yet, and I don't know if it will, why were there live rounds on the set? Who mixed live rounds with dummy rounds, and how is it possible that 1 of 6 rounds in that revolver was a live one? I wonder if it intentionally was planted by a disgruntled crew member, as they were having disagreements and people were walking off the set because of gun safety issues. So, someone, just to prove their point, planted a live round, not thinking someone was going to get shot, but intending to stir the pot or prove a point.
Gun safety needs to be followed by EVERYONE! A gun on set works exactly the same way as a gun anywhere else. If you point a gun on set it will do exactly what it is made to do, and if you are handling a gun, even on set, you're responsible for what happens when you pull the trigger. Being an actor doesn't give you immunity...
Before anyone points a loaded gun they have a responsibility to double check the chamber themselves. I know I would! He was in charge of the gun.
I also wonder if that live round was put in by a disgruntled worker, but who? Hopefully they are still trying to find that out.
SAG rules say different.
The actors don't open and check the guns on their own for 2 reasons, 1 it's overly redundant and 2 if done on their own, it is a moment where you could then question "did they swap out a round", "did they tamper with the guns functionality" etc. You're biased opinion is unfair and prejudicial. The defense has the presumption of innocence and the state has to proove that he committed a crime and that no other person in his position would have the same putcome. If any other person was using that same gun at that same time, it would've still fired a live round, because the armorer made a major mistake. 💯
He won't get a fair trial with the Democrat judges😊
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How the hell is the actor on trial for shooting a gun supposedly filled with blanks in front of an entire crew? I don't understand.
Because he didn't check to see if it had live ammunition in it... Rule number one: Always assume a gun is loaded and check it yourself... Even on a movie set...
Because he is not just a actor he was a producer and had a responsibility to check the gun. If the president is handed a gun and shoots a kills a person is he not guilty just because a crew of people were present and handed him the gun
He pointed a gun at another human. Do you know NOTHING about gun safety?
@@hueginvieny7959 actually the supreme court just said if he does it in the course of his presidential duties, he has immunity so...
The most basic gun safety rules say you never point a gun at a person who you don't intend to shoot whether you are on a movie set or not. Baldwin also lied about his finger being on the trigger. The video shown of that morning on set clearly shows Alec's finger on the trigger. The videos shown at the trial at the Hannah Gutierrez trial clearly show him repeatedly mishandling the gun.
Do you think Susan Sarandon checked the gun before she shot in Thelma and Louise? Of course not, it's not the actors job
Well she dam well should.If not she's neglegent.
You never point a gun at a person you do not intend to shoot.
@@elainejohnson6955 yes in real life but actors on a set are not trained in gun handling
@@debturner5022 All actors who handle guns are definitely required to be trained!!!! Part of Alec Baldwin's culpability in this case is that he blew off the training he was supposed to attend. Also, in the police interview he did, he brags about how much he knows about shake testing the dummy bullets and having holes in them. When the Prosecution shows videos of Alec shooting off his big mouth in multiple interviews and videos of him mishandling the guns, it will probably get him convicted faster than anything else.
The state have found an opportunity to possibly take down a famous actor, thats it plus the big insurance companies plus others who should be paying out don't want to therefore blame has to be put at the feet of others... a mistake was made by the girl who is in jail... couldn't give a flying f**k if he pulled the trigger or not the gun shouldn't have had live rounds ... its as simple as that.