Nice. I had this one for a couple of year. Works great :) i have mod it with a fan under and having it stand up because it gets a bit hot when it have 4cell charging :) have a happy new year dude. Thanks for this year. 👏👏
high quality, entertaining and great speed/pace you-tube video. Great info, very thorough and precise info on 18650 charger...now i will be buying a liito engineer500 and subscribing. I am curious how many hrs does it take to cut a video and how long have you been producing youtube vids?
Thanks Man! There great chargers! At the time of this video I had been making videos for about a year. I tend to have a lot of pauses, ands and uuummmms when making videos so I end up cutting all those out which makes my edit times I would say longer then a lot of others lol. It really just depends on the video. Some videos Ill edit them for days and some videos I can get done in one day. For me if there is a lot of talking then the edit time goes up. Not much talking then I can edit them rather quickly!
No doubt the variability in the IR testing of the LiitoKala (and the Opus) can be attributed to the spring mechanism of the battery holders. You can reduce the variability by pressing the spring end into the battery towards the fixed end during the IR test. This makes a consistent solid contact and takes the spring tension out of the equation.
Use a reliable Fluke, or Gossen Metrawatt, multimeter or a LCR meter for checking batteries internal resistance. Those Chinese charger probably have poor component for test compared to products people rely on to take electrical measurements. Justice my 2¢. If you want to measure the batteries resistance in AC current use a quality multimeter, or a LCR meter to check DC current
@@AveRage_Joe You might also try inserting nickel plated neodymium magnets between the cell ends and the unit's contacts. (assumes the contacts continue to be made of an alloy that is attracted to magnets) (I know this is a very old comment, but thought it still interesting and relevant enough to respond.)
My Little Koala just arrived and I had to come back and watch your review again, the instructions are crap, and I wasn’t surest if it was doing the NOR cycle or just in standby mode. It doesn’t tell you how many mAhs are going into the cell while it is charging, I guess it only does that when it is discharging, have to wait and see. So you have to be able to watch the voltage go up or wait until the timer changes from 0:00 to 0:01 (it doesn’t tell you the seconds), there is no light or other indicator. But, I still have big hopes for it, have been waiting patiently for it to arrive 😁. Thanks for the video Joe!
A few points. The power brick is rated at 2 A or 2000 mA so the total charge amperage should not total more than 2 A. If you want to charge at 1 A (1000 mA) you should only be doing 2 batteries at a time, you might be able to safely do 3x 750 mA (2250 mA total) charging, buts that's as far as I would push that power brick, and even then I personally would not. If you feel the need to charge 4x 1000 mA, get a 12v 4 or 5A power brick. Fast Test: Measures during charge (Fair accuracy) It will discharge first, and recorded during the charging cycle. Best time to use this mode is when the batteries are nearly discharged anyway that way it will only take minutes to finish discharging, before the test starts. Normal Test: Measures during discharge (Good accuracy) Will fully charge first, and record on the discharge cycle, then fully recharge the batteries. Best time to use this mode is when the batteries are almost fully charged to begin with, this way it will only take minutes to fully charge before the test starts.
You are wrong! The power brick is 12Vx2A = 24W, when charging batteries is 4x4.2Vx1A=16.8W (at max) plus any losses during conversion (12V -> 4.2V)! So the the power brick it's well within specs!
@@mihairosu8518 you're right that the power supply should be within the specs and that since that we're talking about a buck conversion it's indeed about power and now current. Yet upon receiving this very same unit with the very same adapter, said adapter is incapable of supplying enough wattage to perform a NOR test @ 1000mAh for 4 batteries!! The charger just simply cuts off and reboots. NOR test @ 750mAh seems to be working fine albeit with the machine heating up quite a bit. I will write Banggood about this to either get a partial refund or a more "juicy" adapter like other people on this thread have said. EDIT: some grammar fixes and typos
One last test take 4 batteries and compare capacity results between chargers. Since they may be watching this, it would be nice just to have a 7s bank holding 70-140 cells. Then you put the cells in and you have a 24V system. They spend all the time on batteries and chargers, yet they don't have battery holders with tesla fuses, balancers, and safety checks. Kind of wondering now how they have 5V output if all the batteries in it are different voltages, do they each have a circuit and they combine them?.
Can any Help Liitokala engnneer Works Fine With Charging The Cells But I Can't Use Nor Test it Does Only discharge 3 out of 4 Batteries The last One is always showing - - - - I Have Watched Multiple Vidioes On How to Discharge them Correctly i also Have to have Diffrent Current on the 3's Ports that are Working so 1 Port 500mah 2 port 700mah 3 port 1000mah Or it Won't Work
The powerbank function takes only the 4th slot to work. So the first 3 cells doesn't do anything there. So charging a 5000mAh phone u will have to replace the cells for the 4th slot.
i have this and i have found for the fast test it takes 24-32 hours to full discharge and full charge the cells, i tested this with a 26650 cell i have for flashlights as i have multiple batteries for my flashlights and i do this to see what condition they are in, and the batteries are 5000 mAh
The xtar vc4 will not show you the capacity right? I got a bunch of the VC for and VC to chargers for free and they will not do a capacity check like the nor test on the liitokala s500 , right?
i was almost not going to watch this , i have ordered about 3 of this and are waiting for them hawe seen aloth of videos on them. But damn your video was super informativ and different from the rest good thanks for a good video.
Hi. Which one is safer and more reliable for charging Fenix 18650, Ledlenser 14500 and Panasonic Eneloop aa and aaa batteries; LiitoKala Lii-500s or FENİX ARE-A4? Which one do you suggest and why?
I 've bought LiitoKala Lii-500s. I have Ledlenser 14500 Li-Ion rechargeable 750 mAh 3.6V 2.77Wh and FENIX 18650 ARB-L18-3500 mAh 3.6V 12.6Wh Li-Ion rechargeable batteries and PANASONIC Eneloop BK-3MCCE AA 1900 mAh ve BK-4MCCE AAA 750 mAh Ni-MH Rechargeable batteries. So since they are not Nickel-cadmium and lead-acid batteries I don't need to discharge them right? Lastly, as far as I know if we wanna store a battery, won't use it for a long time say 2- 3 months, we have to store them in a certain percentage of juice. I think its %40 or %50 I'm not sure. So, can discharge mode be used in this situation? For example if a battery is full we can discharge it till %50 then store it. Is that true?
I was able to buy those for $18 without any cables. Then I picked up ATX power supply and made cables so I'm able to run 8 of them simultaneously. I also added extra 5 inch fan to keep them cool. As others mentioned they can only discharge at 0.5A so you'll get about 15% more mAh compared to 1A discharge. Anyway it's so affordable that I'm fine with that.
Hello Joe!!I use my Imax B6 V2 to measure the resistance of the batteries(till I get my new charger!!!😊). Just curious, Do you know what the resistance should be for a basic std 10amp discharge battery. I am sure the resistance grows with the 20 and 30 amp discharge rate batteries. I have some of each. The Highest rated Batteries I have is a 30Amp LG HB2(Brand New). I can't find any info in agreement to what the resistance should be? I believe I might have heard someone say 150m and under is good, anything higher if its not a high rated discharge battery is bad? I have never really paid attention to this until I got my Imax b6 V2. I just test the battery over and over and kept a close eye on the discharge of the battery after 1 week. Would be nice, just to know what resistance I should be looking for. Another Great Video!!! 🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆HAPPY NEW YEAR AVERAGE JOE🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆
Yeah thats basically what everyone goes by, 150 and under. I could never check the resistance of the cells until these 3 chargers. BOOM HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!💥😱😆
Hey AveRage Joe, Can I find out what it's battery C rating? I have a 42mr and 2941mah. I think it is a Samsung 30q but not sure what to look for when checking ohm
Yeah check out secondlifestorage.com/celldatabase.php?fkeys=&fbrand=&fform=&fmincap=&fsort=4 and they have a lot of cells info and most have a C rating. If you think they are 30Q then this page is the info secondlifestorage.com/showthread.php?tid=1854 Ohmage they say 100 or lower is good!
I havent tried any low voltage cells since I precharge all cells in a tp4056 charger. The blinking end I think is when the discharge has been completed and the steady end is when the cell has been recharged after the discharge cycle. I dont know of a charger that will do a capacity check then recharge or recharge to a storage voltage. I know the opus has a hidden switch that will go to the storage charge. It can also be used to capacity check LifePo4 cells.
Hi, putting a switch and a diode, could we charger a lifepo4 cell? I mean, 4.2 V - 0.6 or 0.7v of the diode = 3.5 or 3.6v that is ok for LiFePO4 cells. What do you think about this ? Thanks What about discharge?
@@AveRage_Joe yes, i know it, thanks. But i am afraid of 3.7v switch and not 3.6v If i could reduce from 3.7 to 3.5 or 3.6 .... May be it is easy to reduce 4.2 to 3.5 or 3.6, isn't it ?
Hi, I am looking on the results table, and numbers are "little bit" different from each charger. Which charger/tester on your opinion is more accurate?
Really in the end, all do a pretty good job. I personally like the foxnovo f4s or digital charger as Ive had them the longest without any issues however they are limited on options.
Пожалуйста помогите понять.После покупки этого аппарата,некоторые мои аккумуляторы я поставил в режим "Normal test ".Некоторые из аккумуляторов показали очень низкие результаты.На следующий день я поставил эти же аккумуляторы в режим "Fast test ".После этого некоторые и хорошие и плохие аккумуляторы показали емкость в 2 и в 3 раза большую,чем на них написано.Как это понимать?Что с этим делать?спасибо
So can this charger only DISCHARGE a cell at 1A current? Or is it limited to 500mA discharge? Any way to do a discharge test and NOT charge the cells up to full again? Also, is there a way to change discharge cut-off from 2.8V to 3.0V?
The charger can only discharge up to 500ma. I misunderstood the directions and read it as 1000ma. Yes the charger can do a discharge only and not recharge if you want it to. To do that its the 2nd option. Just make sure the cell is fully charged if you want an accurate capacity number.
@@AveRage_Joe How on hell can you do discharge only? could you please explain how you can do that with the Liitokala 500. And how can one alter the discharge cut-off? it's programmed to cut-off at 2.8V now, how can you change that? Do we all possess the same device by the way?
I just received the Lii-500 I ordered from Amazon and I'm trying to run some tests on some 18650 batteries I have. One battery I was able to fully charge, but if I try the Fast Test or the Nor Test it shows END without discharging the battery and stops doing anything. So is there something wrong with the charger that would stop it from discharging the battery or a problem with the battery?
Newbie battery person here. If trying to create a battery bank, which is the key statistic you should try to match among a set of batteries in one cell?
Welcome to the 18650 funness! Yeah the best would be to try and match all the cells but if using used laptop and medical packs its a little tricky since you get random packs with all sorts of different cells. Then of course try to get equal capacity cells!🔋🔋🔋
Thanks for the welcome. Yes, I am using used 18650s. So is the mAh what I want to match mostly, vs the mR reading? In the few batteries I have tested so far, mR seems to vary substantially compared to the mAh.
Hi AveRage Joe, I have 2 of these and in the Fast Test Mode, the LiitoKala Lii500 only tests how many mAh it´s puts into the battery, not it´s capacity test @ the voltage it is, as you said.
Yes and you also say that in your video... but this is a very good charger, like you also said it measures resistance and is a Powerbank. Thanks for all your videos I learn a lots from you... if you can share my Channel in Portuguese, also about recycling 18650. So all that speak my Language, can do the same and be more self sustaining.
I have some batteries 1.5V and 3000 mah that I tried to use with this charger but did not work. Just show me "Null". Can be because the charger support only up 1000 mah? I dont know
Does it display the capacity as soon as it's reached discharge? (I usually stop there to be able to test the next batch of cells and then bulk recharge the discharged cells elsewhere to increase throughput). What is the discharge cut-off voltage? I assume it has thermal protection! Nice feature to be able to use as a powerbank, perhaps it also acts as a sink so could charge phone while testing and not waste energy?
+Andy Lee Robinson Yep, it does display the results as soon as its done doing the discharge test. Ya if Im around, I do the same thing by switching them to the Tp charger. Id have to look at the charger to get the low end cut off, didnt see it in the manual. That would be cool to dump the discharge into the usb but I think the anti-matter chargers are the only ones that do that fancy trickery😀
I just bought 2 brand new BT-3100. The (quick test) internal resistance reading is different from my other separate digital internal resistance tester. Is the interal resistance accurate on the OPUS? I trust my other digital internal resistance tester.
@@AveRage_Joe It’s far off. OPUS gives me like 30 to 40 more higher than my other tester. Well, I purposely bought the OPUS for the capacity tester. Is the mAH capacity accurate on the OPUS at least?
Saw your reviews for the Xtar Dragon VP4 and the LiitoKala Lii-500 but was wondering if you'll be doing a true comparison between those two or others you mentioned. Specifically around charge/discharging and all around preferred tester. If you did this comparison I don't see it. Thank you :)
I just got this charger to revive old nimh (Eneloop pro) that won’t charge in Panasonic’s own charger. I chose the wrong mode at first, chose FAST TEST and the charger stopped testing after 5 minutes, ended with less than 100mAH each. Switched to NOR TEST and 2/4 of the eneloop pro started working again! Could get them to 700-800mAH. But the other 2 went over voltage. Each eneloop pro supposed to hold 1.2v 2500mAH, but that 2 went up to 1.5v and refused to charge past 50mAH. What can I do to get them working again?
If the battery is a 1.2v battery, it wont charge much past that or you would ruin it. 1.5v to fully recharge it sounds great to me. Once its fully charged like it should be, you could capacity test it to see if they are still at the rated capacity. I also remember hearing eneloop batteries had a special charge profile but dont quote me on that.
I have another question. If battery resistance is high then is it safe to charge in 1000mAh? I see Miboxer has an auto feature that delivers current based on internal resistance. Can you clear thjs to me? And which charger will be good ? Miboxer C2 4000 or Liitokala ?
For Powerwall builders and a lot of other battery builds, most test at 1a to find and weed out the cells that have high resistance/heat up and because its faster but you can charge/test them at .5a if wanted because real discharge or charge in a powerwall or big battery build usually ends up being less then .5amps. I havent had a chance to try out the Miboxer charger so I cant say but in theory it sounds good to charge based on battery health.
Are you still liking this charger? I just bought one to augment my capacity to test batteries - have an Ambient Weather BC-3000 (this is basically a re-badged Opus BT-C3100 v2.2) which has been a great charger but between having to replace the fan every so often and getting a better power supply for it (the 3100's stock power supply is absolute garbage) - Lii-500 just seemed to be a much more cost effective option since I never discharge any batteries faster than 500mA anyway.
@@AveRage_Joe That is good to know. I just sort of stumbled across this one - it seems to be similar to an accupower IQ338 - but again - half the price - so it seems hard to go wrong with it. I'll let you know how it does - I have 16 18650's coming in that need to be conditioned for the first time so the Lii-500 will be busy. I probably will do it with the Opus model just to see how they both compare in the real world (after I replace yet another fan in it - lol).
For the past 11 days I used every mode, charge, fast, nor and USB power bank. They all worked perfect but there’s something weird about the capacity test. A few of the batteries I tested gave me a higher mAh, even higher than their rated capacity! I have a ICR18650-22FU battery which is rated for 2200 mAh and it showed 2327. All of my batteries came from old laptops and most of these batteries capacity were very close to their rated current even though they were definitely worn and torn a lot. Any explanations about this weird phenomenon? Sorry for this long and boring comment, couldn’t explain my pointed better
Bleep Bleep Bleep I'm nor testing batteries with the LiitoKala Lii-500 , new 26650's or and recycled 18650's , none are recharging for a second time, only charge and discharge and end is blinking. 18650 and 26650 are sitting at 3.0v and not recharging. Nor test is charge/discharge/charge normally. Are the chargers bust, all 4 of them ? Thanks for this video missed the kitty this time though.
So the charger isnt recharging the cells.....hmmmm yeah normally "nor test" will charge, discharge and recharge. Thats weird and have never heard that. Dumb question but have you unplugged them and plugged back in to see if it changes?
@@AveRage_Joe Wowser what a quick ninja response... I will try that after the current batch has charged (manually). I have nor tested before without this issue.
1st option is charge. 2nd mode is a discharge only and you usually dont use that option unless you know a battery is fully charged before using that option. 3rd mode is nortest and thats what option you use to fully charge a battery before it does a discharge test. That discharge test will tell you the life left in the battery or the health of battery in mah.
hello sir. not a techie guy, need a plug and play type that can determine the voltage and charge it accordingly. mains are a plus. confused between nitecore i4/D4, liitokala engineer lii-500, xtar VC4/X4. Any suggestion which is better among them for you. thank you sir.
It depends on what you want to do. If you just want to charge batteries then the nitecore and xtar will do the job. If you want to capacity test cells and charge then you need the liitokala!
If i wanted to charge an 1000 mAh AAA NiMh battery (SPECS: normal charge 85mA and fast charge 255mA). Can i charge it with this charger, even with the lowest charge setting (300mA)? Or does it seriusly damage the battery/life time?
Hey buddy, I'm about to buy a couple of these (be sure to use your affiliate link whenever I can) but I was wondering, these are great for processing cells and testing, but once you make the battery pack itself (say 4s50p), what would you suggest to charge em all? I'm not using solar and this is more of a portable power pack situation like Frank Brand does on his channel. I was thinking one of those PSU units they have for big LED lights, but I also have 12v 10A ac adapter.... Just wanted to see if you had any input on which is more dependable, quick and safe to use in portable situation?
Awesome, Much appreciated. was using the antimatter to charge/discharge test my packs but ended up blowing it up lol. I hear people are using the ISDT with good luck goo.gl/f4sBaW although I cant say from personal experience. Ill take a look at his channel to see what hes got going on!
I just bought this unit and only found out through your video that it is only able to tell you the capacity after doing either the Fast or NOR test, both of which will take some time. Is there one that will be able to tell you the capacity the instance you plug it in? Or it just doesn't work like that?
@average joe, mine charger works good for some time after that led remain on at slot 2 and cant switch to other slot.. any idea please help? .. reply ASAP
Another good one. A suggestion, Don't use the word "Cheap" in the description. It has a negative connotation about it's quality. Keep up the good work.....
Low priced? Although the unit may be reliable and durable, it's still "cheap" in my opinion. It's unrefined and physically sounds built to a cost... but I don't run high end chargers with nice buttons and plastics anyways so it's a moot point.
Have a few of these, nothing wrong with them imo. Yes they get hot and theres no fan etc. I'm waiting for final judgement until Joe does the capacity test comparison that will tell its own tale. I think as long as you use the same capacity tester / charger for all your cells you should be good.
Yeah foxnovo 4s does 1 amp, opus does 1 amp, xtar dragon vp4+ does 1a and skyrc mc3000 can do 1a,2a and I think 3a. I have all of these and all can do in each slot at same time.
I wish I had known Bangood sold these I foolishly bought one from Ebay UK it came without a cable on checking every retailer on there was foing the same now Ive had to purchase a separate cable and I hope I've got the correct voltage
Well I got one today, and I can tell you getting all the cells in and being able to press and hold the mode button within 8 seconds is challenging. I thought I did it, but low and behold, only slot 4 was nor test, the rest weren't. So had to start all over again, and this time I just did it one slot at a time....Having to put the cells into the unit the opposite of all other units takes a while to get used to. This mode setting setup is a bad design.
Yeah they should of went the other way for sure. I actually keep the charger turned around so I can load and unload charger like all the others and to write the capacity down. 😆🖒
I have the Zanflare C4 which is similar, inverted cell orientation etc. Load the cells then power up the charger to give yourself more time to change the settings for all cells.
@@AveRage_Joe im planning on building a battery for my ebike out of second hand cells, need to check if they are worth using, something about 10s 7p , then need to ballence and charge, also need to weld them together or assemble it, whats your thoughts
After getting used to this unit being upside down cell insert wise, and from the occasional "even in the first 8 seconds you still have to do each slot settings manually" it really isn't that bad of a unit though it does get much warmer than the OPUS. I will be getting more of them.
I can see that, the is a bit more information provided by the unit over the OPUS, but IMO the OPUS is must easier to operate, and has a few other options that this unit doesn't, which I use on occasion that really speeds things up.
I tried to change the current and Mode in slot 1within the 8 seconds...still the other slots i had to change it manually ! i tried to do it in slot 4 within 8 seconds and Bingo !! all other slots are the same ! when i put all 4 lipo,s in the slots...connect then the wall charger….my charger starts in that slot 4.... not in 1 !
Yeah it seems like its hit or miss when trying to get it to do all 4 slots. I have tried unplugging it and then plugging it back in like you but now I just have all 4 cells ready and insert them all at the same time and that does the trick for me!👍
ok...tnx...for me its working now fine....insert all 4 lipo,s...then plugin the wall charger !!..its start then on slot4...when the charging icon is blinking ( within the 8 seconds ) i put it in slot 4 on 1000 mA...then all my other 3 lipo,s are the same as Slot 4....also working with fast en normal test... :)
10-50 is good cells where 15-25 is a really really good cell. Anything above 50 it’s crap for high draw devices. But okay for Low drain devices. Up to 100 and above be aware of it and be careful from overheating
I have six clones of these chargers/testers. On mine: 1) They discharge at only 500 mA max as there is no active cooling (fan). 2) If they get too hot, discharge drops to 300 mA, resulting in an inflated mAh result. 3) Fast test ignores the discharge and gives you the mAh put IN to the battery (aka a charge test). 4) NOR test (aka normal test or discharge test) won't show test results until the recharge process has completed, so there's no opportunity to move the cell out to a TP4046 and start testing the next cell. Still, good testers if you understand its shortcomings. Mark
I think the clones may be different. Mine don't work like that on point 4. They discharge and show the result once it drops the cell to 2.8v this number then doesn't change through the rest of the cycle. So if you are around you can switch them to the tp4056's once discharge is over :)
Good to know all the clones don't behave the same way. On mine, the idea of hiding information until it's good and ready to show you always chafed my sensibilities a little. It's like I have the 'testers for dummies' model.
PS: Mine are the AccuPower IQ338, which appear to use the same (or nearly the same) firmware as the LiitoKala Engineer Lii-500 Joe tested in this video.
+Mark Phillips Yep, I misunderstood the discharge current. It is up to 500mah, I pinned a previous comment that pointed that out 🖒. NOR test on my charger shows mah once discharge test is complete so I am able to start the next batch of cells😀
Hy . like your video review very much . i am in dificulty to decide for activate cell, charging and discover real capacity of 18650 ( real health ) , this is good for me ? Cand I format the lit-ion cells ? Can you tell me please xtar dragon vp4 + it possible to make test for real capacity mor accurate and quicly ( i mean for example nor test ? Thanke you
@@AveRage_Joe thanke you for response .1. just 2 more q. With this can activate 0 v battery ? 2 . nor test witch xtar dragn vp4 + cand make more quickly then liitokala lii 500 ?
I tested an recorded about 16 cells before realizing the MR reading is basically meaningless. some cells were in the 100+. but then one was 180. the cells are all the same make from the same new old stock battery packs. So, I tested it a few more times and every time it was different, with reading from 13 to 180 . WTF?. Can someone please tell me of a good ,accurate and consitant and EASY test. so I can finally match the hundreds of cells I have been collecting??????????????.
@@Bergwacht i see, but incase one day your button stop working or malfunction i read somewhere that with simple clean the inside button with contact cleaner or alcohol will solve it. but mine have more than a year of usage without problem.
Mine the IR isn't right.i have 2 slots that show high and 2 that show low. Swap the same cell to slot one and it's 55mr swap it to slot 3 and it's 125mr,go to slot 2 and it's 75mr slot 4 it's 85mr. So for mine it's just not accurate. However it seems to charge just fine
Nice review of the LiitoKala Charger :) Another one for the tool box! It's a shame, though, that it's just as inaccurate/inconsistant with the Resistance test as the Opus. Does it use spring wires inside as well; and possibly not even soldered? On another note, how do you get all these given to you to review? I'd like to get into the reviewing thing myself.
I didnt find much, they have a few affiliate things but most are buying a product, then do a review and you get points and possibly getting other stuff for free. Here it shows a few examples www.banggood.com/Banggood-Review-Club_hl55
You could just start putting more videos out and they will probly contact you or even another place like gearbest might even contact you. I never expected to be contacted, then one day...BOOM💥😱
Thanks a lot for your great review. I received mine today but when i do "NOR test" , it shows "End" after ~30 seconds... Do you think i received a faulty charger ? Thanks ! edit: i think the issue comes from my battery, i tested another one and now it works xD
Wrong Descriptions about "Fast Test" and "Nor Test"! Fast Test: First discharges battery from any voltage it is to 2.8V, and Second: full Charges it and measures capacity during this charge, and then stops (so measuring the Capacity During the Charge). Nor Test: First Full Charges the battery. Second Discharges the battery (to 2.8V) and Measures the Capacity during this Discharge, and Third: Full Charges the battery and Stops (so measuring the Capacity During the Discharge). Also there is not any description that: What is the "2X" in the shown "internal resistance table"?! The rest is good!
+fbahr1 Yup said the fast test does capacity on discharge. It is on recharge. The 2X was it hit the number shown twice. Ill update the description box here in a bit. Shoot maybe ill just make a quick "update" for this video lol
Hey dude. Great video. Thanks for the sharing. I've something to offer you. And I'd plan to do it for myself. I've came across on a powerbank solar. So I've though, Wow. That's nice... And I wanted to buy a new battery charger. So I've thought why not to combine between the two of it? I've looked for battery charger with USB input so I can plug it to the charger. And I've found it. Only the idea to power my wireless mouse and my keyboard by the power of the sun is awesome!!! What do you think about it? I really hope you'll try it.
Hiya Buddy, been catching up on your great videos. I have a request/suggestion for your battery charger videos. Could you test the cutoff voltages for discharge tests? And also bounce-back voltages, after discharge is complete. ie., some chargers may discharge to 3.00v under discharge load, but then bounce back to 3.60v 1 minute after removed. I have the Opus 3400, and it actually removes the discharge load to check cell voltage for discharge termintation at 3.30v. This makes a large difference in the S.O.C. remaining in the cell, and at the same time prevents them from pulling that last 1% or so SOC from the cells, which greatly shortens their lifespan. Cheaper chargers just shoot for 2.6 - 3.0v while under load , so the cell could still have 30% or more charge still remaining, depending on the discharge load and cell type. You have become one of the most faithful posters from the 18650 folks. Cheers on your persistence and great videos! That is what it takes to succeed on RUclips, and it's great to see you're starting to see some of the perks from that ;) ~Aspen
Hey man whats going on? Yeah I could do a video on there cutoff voltage and then see where the cells bounce back to after removing for about a min or so. It might take me a little time to capture it since im not always around to see the low end but Ill try to time it on the weekend. Im wondering if the bounce back happens more on the 1amp setting over the the lower settings. Im betting it does. If I can be there for that, ill check the lower amp setting as well. I appreciate the comment and Yes, starting to see some of the other benefits of doing the RUclips!!!!😆👍🔋
Nice. I had this one for a couple of year. Works great :) i have mod it with a fan under and having it stand up because it gets a bit hot when it have 4cell charging :) have a happy new year dude. Thanks for this year. 👏👏
Good to know that they last!!! Yeah a fan would be a good idea! Happy New Year to YOU!!!
Lol 3 years later 😂 01.01.2020 happy new year 🎉
Happy New Year!😃🎉
high quality, entertaining and great speed/pace you-tube video. Great info, very thorough and precise info on 18650 charger...now i will be buying a liito engineer500 and subscribing.
I am curious how many hrs does it take to cut a video and how long have you been producing youtube vids?
Thanks Man! There great chargers! At the time of this video I had been making videos for about a year. I tend to have a lot of pauses, ands and uuummmms when making videos so I end up cutting all those out which makes my edit times I would say longer then a lot of others lol. It really just depends on the video. Some videos Ill edit them for days and some videos I can get done in one day. For me if there is a lot of talking then the edit time goes up. Not much talking then I can edit them rather quickly!
No doubt the variability in the IR testing of the LiitoKala (and the Opus) can be attributed to the spring mechanism of the battery holders. You can reduce the variability by pressing the spring end into the battery towards the fixed end during the IR test. This makes a consistent solid contact and takes the spring tension out of the equation.
Yeah I was kinda thinking the same, Maybe Ill give it a try!👍
Use a reliable Fluke, or Gossen Metrawatt, multimeter or a LCR meter for checking batteries internal resistance. Those Chinese charger probably have poor component for test compared to products people rely on to take electrical measurements. Justice my 2¢. If you want to measure the batteries resistance in AC current use a quality multimeter, or a LCR meter to check DC current
@@AveRage_Joe You might also try inserting nickel plated neodymium magnets between the cell ends and the unit's contacts. (assumes the contacts continue to be made of an alloy that is attracted to magnets)
(I know this is a very old comment, but thought it still interesting and relevant enough to respond.)
My Little Koala just arrived and I had to come back and watch your review again, the instructions are crap, and I wasn’t surest if it was doing the NOR cycle or just in standby mode. It doesn’t tell you how many mAhs are going into the cell while it is charging, I guess it only does that when it is discharging, have to wait and see. So you have to be able to watch the voltage go up or wait until the timer changes from 0:00 to 0:01 (it doesn’t tell you the seconds), there is no light or other indicator. But, I still have big hopes for it, have been waiting patiently for it to arrive 😁. Thanks for the video Joe!
A few points.
The power brick is rated at 2 A or 2000 mA so the total charge amperage should not total more than 2 A. If you want to charge at 1 A (1000 mA) you should only be doing 2 batteries at a time, you might be able to safely do 3x 750 mA (2250 mA total) charging, buts that's as far as I would push that power brick, and even then I personally would not. If you feel the need to charge 4x 1000 mA, get a 12v 4 or 5A power brick.
Fast Test: Measures during charge (Fair accuracy)
It will discharge first, and recorded during the charging cycle.
Best time to use this mode is when the batteries are nearly discharged anyway that way it will only take minutes to finish discharging, before the test starts.
Normal Test: Measures during discharge (Good accuracy)
Will fully charge first, and record on the discharge cycle, then fully recharge the batteries.
Best time to use this mode is when the batteries are almost fully charged to begin with, this way it will only take minutes to fully charge before the test starts.
You are wrong! The power brick is 12Vx2A = 24W, when charging batteries is 4x4.2Vx1A=16.8W (at max) plus any losses during conversion (12V -> 4.2V)! So the the power brick it's well within specs!
It's all about power not current!
@@mihairosu8518 but for more security I would put a source of 12v 5a
@@mihairosu8518 you're right that the power supply should be within the specs and that since that we're talking about a buck conversion it's indeed about power and now current. Yet upon receiving this very same unit with the very same adapter, said adapter is incapable of supplying enough wattage to perform a NOR test @ 1000mAh for 4 batteries!! The charger just simply cuts off and reboots. NOR test @ 750mAh seems to be working fine albeit with the machine heating up quite a bit. I will write Banggood about this to either get a partial refund or a more "juicy" adapter like other people on this thread have said.
EDIT: some grammar fixes and typos
@@mihairosu8518 thanks!
This charger is the best at its price. The fast test mode is really good for NiCd, NiMH
I just received 8 pieces for my diy power wall. Thanks for the review
Nice!!! There great chargers!
One last test take 4 batteries and compare capacity results between chargers. Since they may be watching this, it would be nice just to have a 7s bank holding 70-140 cells. Then you put the cells in and you have a 24V system. They spend all the time on batteries and chargers, yet they don't have battery holders with tesla fuses, balancers, and safety checks. Kind of wondering now how they have 5V output if all the batteries in it are different voltages, do they each have a circuit and they combine them?.
Can any Help Liitokala engnneer Works Fine With Charging The Cells But I Can't Use Nor Test it Does Only discharge 3 out of 4 Batteries
The last One is always showing - - - -
I Have Watched Multiple Vidioes On How to Discharge them Correctly
i also Have to have Diffrent Current on the 3's Ports that are Working
so
1 Port 500mah
2 port 700mah
3 port 1000mah
Or it Won't Work
The powerbank function takes only the 4th slot to work. So the first 3 cells doesn't do anything there. So charging a 5000mAh phone u will have to replace the cells for the 4th slot.
i have this and i have found for the fast test it takes 24-32 hours to full discharge and full charge the cells, i tested this with a 26650 cell i have for flashlights as i have multiple batteries for my flashlights and i do this to see what condition they are in, and the batteries are 5000 mAh
Funny I bought one of these two weeks ago. I haven’t received the shipment yet but after watching your video I feel more confident in using it.
Great little charger!!!👍🔋
The xtar vc4 will not show you the capacity right?
I got a bunch of the VC for and VC to chargers for free and they will not do a capacity check like the nor test on the liitokala s500 , right?
i was almost not going to watch this , i have ordered about 3 of this and are waiting for them
hawe seen aloth of videos on them.
But damn your video was super informativ and different from the rest good thanks for a good
video.
Thanks mate! There good chargers!👍
Hi. Which one is safer and more reliable for charging Fenix 18650, Ledlenser 14500 and Panasonic Eneloop aa and aaa batteries; LiitoKala Lii-500s or FENİX ARE-A4? Which one do you suggest and why?
I 've bought LiitoKala Lii-500s.
I have Ledlenser 14500 Li-Ion rechargeable 750 mAh 3.6V 2.77Wh and FENIX 18650 ARB-L18-3500 mAh 3.6V 12.6Wh Li-Ion rechargeable batteries and PANASONIC Eneloop BK-3MCCE AA 1900 mAh ve BK-4MCCE AAA 750 mAh Ni-MH Rechargeable batteries. So since they are not Nickel-cadmium and lead-acid batteries I don't need to discharge them right?
Lastly, as far as I know if we wanna store a battery, won't use it for a long time say 2- 3 months, we have to store them in a certain percentage of juice. I think its %40 or %50 I'm not sure. So, can discharge mode be used in this situation? For example if a battery is full we can discharge it till %50 then store it. Is that true?
I was able to buy those for $18 without any cables. Then I picked up ATX power supply and made cables so I'm able to run 8 of them simultaneously. I also added extra 5 inch fan to keep them cool. As others mentioned they can only discharge at 0.5A so you'll get about 15% more mAh compared to 1A discharge. Anyway it's so affordable that I'm fine with that.
Yeah that would be a great way to do it!!! I wish I would have known about them long ago and I would have done the same!!!
Emceh, in other words, your ATX can comfortably deliver at least 16amps assuming you were charging at 500mah. At what amps were you charging?
Hello Joe!!I use my Imax B6 V2 to measure the resistance of the batteries(till I get my new charger!!!😊). Just curious, Do you know what the resistance should be for a basic std 10amp discharge battery. I am sure the resistance grows with the 20 and 30 amp discharge rate batteries. I have some of each. The Highest rated Batteries I have is a 30Amp LG HB2(Brand New). I can't find any info in agreement to what the resistance should be? I believe I might have heard someone say 150m and under is good, anything higher if its not a high rated discharge battery is bad?
I have never really paid attention to this until I got my Imax b6 V2. I just test the battery over and over and kept a close eye on the discharge of the battery after 1 week. Would be nice, just to know what resistance I should be looking for.
Another Great Video!!!
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Yeah thats basically what everyone goes by, 150 and under. I could never check the resistance of the cells until these 3 chargers. BOOM HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!💥😱😆
Hey AveRage Joe, Can I find out what it's battery C rating? I have a 42mr and 2941mah. I think it is a Samsung 30q but not sure what to look for when checking ohm
Yeah check out secondlifestorage.com/celldatabase.php?fkeys=&fbrand=&fform=&fmincap=&fsort=4 and they have a lot of cells info and most have a C rating. If you think they are 30Q then this page is the info secondlifestorage.com/showthread.php?tid=1854 Ohmage they say 100 or lower is good!
AveRage Joe , thanks.
This thing is great to revive cells that are not charging due to being below voltage.
Are you measuring internal resistance correct? If you hold contacts under pressure you get more consistent results.
Yeah you would get better results by adding more pressure! Most people just throw the cells in and go!👍
Happy New Year Joe and crew! Have to be careful if you give them 26fiddy they just keep coming back!
Happy New Year to you!!! 26fitty is a great deal IMO BOOM!!!!😱
Unlike the Opus charger this one doesn't show the actually charge current. Im wondering what is does with low voltage (
I havent tried any low voltage cells since I precharge all cells in a tp4056 charger. The blinking end I think is when the discharge has been completed and the steady end is when the cell has been recharged after the discharge cycle. I dont know of a charger that will do a capacity check then recharge or recharge to a storage voltage. I know the opus has a hidden switch that will go to the storage charge. It can also be used to capacity check LifePo4 cells.
Here's a very detailed review with lots of graphs: lygte-info.dk/review/Review%20Charger%20LiitoKala%20Lii-500%20UK.html
hi still happy withh this charger ? great review thanks
Hi, putting a switch and a diode, could we charger a lifepo4 cell? I mean, 4.2 V - 0.6 or 0.7v of the diode = 3.5 or 3.6v that is ok for LiFePO4 cells.
What do you think about this ?
Thanks
What about discharge?
The opus can do lifepo4. It has a switch to change voltage!
@@AveRage_Joe yes, i know it, thanks. But i am afraid of 3.7v switch and not 3.6v
If i could reduce from 3.7 to 3.5 or 3.6 ....
May be it is easy to reduce 4.2 to 3.5 or 3.6, isn't it ?
Thanks for the review, off to the site to order one.
You betcha!!! I think there a great charger and are on sale!!! 26Fitty💥
Hi, I am looking on the results table, and numbers are "little bit" different from each charger. Which charger/tester on your opinion is more accurate?
Really in the end, all do a pretty good job. I personally like the foxnovo f4s or digital charger as Ive had them the longest without any issues however they are limited on options.
Пожалуйста помогите понять.После покупки этого аппарата,некоторые мои аккумуляторы я поставил в режим "Normal test ".Некоторые из аккумуляторов показали очень низкие результаты.На следующий день я поставил эти же аккумуляторы в режим "Fast test ".После этого некоторые и хорошие и плохие аккумуляторы показали емкость в 2 и в 3 раза большую,чем на них написано.Как это понимать?Что с этим делать?спасибо
So can this charger only DISCHARGE a cell at 1A current? Or is it limited to 500mA discharge? Any way to do a discharge test and NOT charge the cells up to full again? Also, is there a way to change discharge cut-off from 2.8V to 3.0V?
The charger can only discharge up to 500ma. I misunderstood the directions and read it as 1000ma. Yes the charger can do a discharge only and not recharge if you want it to. To do that its the 2nd option. Just make sure the cell is fully charged if you want an accurate capacity number.
@@AveRage_Joe How on hell can you do discharge only? could you please explain how you can do that with the Liitokala 500. And how can one alter the discharge cut-off? it's programmed to cut-off at 2.8V now, how can you change that? Do we all possess the same device by the way?
I just received the Lii-500 I ordered from Amazon and I'm trying to run some tests on some 18650 batteries I have. One battery I was able to fully charge, but if I try the Fast Test or the Nor Test it shows END without discharging the battery and stops doing anything. So is there something wrong with the charger that would stop it from discharging the battery or a problem with the battery?
Did you find an answer?
Very good review, many thanks. 👍🏿
Thanks Man!🤘
Newbie battery person here. If trying to create a battery bank, which is the key statistic you should try to match among a set of batteries in one cell?
Welcome to the 18650 funness! Yeah the best would be to try and match all the cells but if using used laptop and medical packs its a little tricky since you get random packs with all sorts of different cells. Then of course try to get equal capacity cells!🔋🔋🔋
Thanks for the welcome. Yes, I am using used 18650s. So is the mAh what I want to match mostly, vs the mR reading? In the few batteries I have tested so far, mR seems to vary substantially compared to the mAh.
I personally dont check the internal resistance, I go for mah!! In my packs I use 2000mah-3100mah🖒
Nice video. I am thinking of buying this charger. But there's a question. Can you please tell me how do I understand when the battery is full ?
Thanks! The charger will beep when the batteries are full and it will also tell you on the screen which battery is full/done.
Hi AveRage Joe, I have 2 of these and in the Fast Test Mode, the LiitoKala Lii500 only tests how many mAh it´s puts into the battery, not it´s capacity test @ the voltage it is, as you said.
+Electronic Matrix I really botched this one up lol. I guess the main use for it is the nor test anyways. Thanks🖒
Yes and you also say that in your video... but this is a very good charger, like you also said it measures resistance and is a Powerbank. Thanks for all your videos I learn a lots from you... if you can share my Channel in Portuguese, also about recycling 18650. So all that speak my Language, can do the same and be more self sustaining.
Ill see what I can do!
Thanks for Subscribing!!! Next year I´ll put my first 100W Solar Panel and my PowerWall running!!! Wishes of a Good 2018.
You betcha!!! Cant wait to see it!!! Happy New Year!!!
I have some batteries 1.5V and 3000 mah that I tried to use with this charger but did not work. Just show me "Null".
Can be because the charger support only up 1000 mah?
I dont know
If the batteries are completely dead it will show that.
The comparison is *very* helpful. I just ordered one after I saw it being used on jehugarcia's channel.
Does it display the capacity as soon as it's reached discharge? (I usually stop there to be able to test the next batch of cells and then bulk recharge the discharged cells elsewhere to increase throughput).
What is the discharge cut-off voltage?
I assume it has thermal protection!
Nice feature to be able to use as a powerbank, perhaps it also acts as a sink so could charge phone while testing and not waste energy?
+Andy Lee Robinson Yep, it does display the results as soon as its done doing the discharge test. Ya if Im around, I do the same thing by switching them to the Tp charger. Id have to look at the charger to get the low end cut off, didnt see it in the manual. That would be cool to dump the discharge into the usb but I think the anti-matter chargers are the only ones that do that fancy trickery😀
I just bought 2 brand new BT-3100. The (quick test) internal resistance reading is different from my other separate digital internal resistance tester. Is the interal resistance accurate on the OPUS? I trust my other digital internal resistance tester.
Go with your other tester for sure!!!
@@AveRage_Joe It’s far off. OPUS gives me like 30 to 40 more higher than my other tester. Well, I purposely bought the OPUS for the capacity tester. Is the mAH capacity accurate on the OPUS at least?
Yeah its a great capacity tester! Some have reported that they can show slightly higher in capacity but nothing to write home about!
This is a bit late, but do you happen to know what the Power Display tells you while the battery is being charged?
Saw your reviews for the Xtar Dragon VP4 and the LiitoKala Lii-500 but was wondering if you'll be doing a true comparison between those two or others you mentioned. Specifically around charge/discharging and all around preferred tester. If you did this comparison I don't see it. Thank you :)
Liitokala has disadvantage of too much heat 🔥 comparing to Xtar...
I just got this charger to revive old nimh (Eneloop pro) that won’t charge in Panasonic’s own charger. I chose the wrong mode at first, chose FAST TEST and the charger stopped testing after 5 minutes, ended with less than 100mAH each. Switched to NOR TEST and 2/4 of the eneloop pro started working again! Could get them to 700-800mAH. But the other 2 went over voltage. Each eneloop pro supposed to hold 1.2v 2500mAH, but that 2 went up to 1.5v and refused to charge past 50mAH. What can I do to get them working again?
If the battery is a 1.2v battery, it wont charge much past that or you would ruin it. 1.5v to fully recharge it sounds great to me. Once its fully charged like it should be, you could capacity test it to see if they are still at the rated capacity. I also remember hearing eneloop batteries had a special charge profile but dont quote me on that.
I have another question. If battery resistance is high then is it safe to charge in 1000mAh? I see Miboxer has an auto feature that delivers current based on internal resistance. Can you clear thjs to me? And which charger will be good ? Miboxer C2 4000 or Liitokala ?
For Powerwall builders and a lot of other battery builds, most test at 1a to find and weed out the cells that have high resistance/heat up and because its faster but you can charge/test them at .5a if wanted because real discharge or charge in a powerwall or big battery build usually ends up being less then .5amps. I havent had a chance to try out the Miboxer charger so I cant say but in theory it sounds good to charge based on battery health.
LiitoKala means Flying Fish. From FIN-ENG but this is Chinese product so why they took foreign word for their company?
Interesting! Yeah I'm not sure lol😀
Yeah it's quite a funny name for me as a Finn and makes me wonder :D
LiitoKala should be written Liitokala as being correct :)
Soaringfish actually. :) Or even a Glidingfish. :)
As a born and raised finn, it was a bit funny how he pronounced "LiitoKala" as "LiitoKala".
Hey, Do u think the charger will discharge faster if I upgrade the power supply to 12v 5a output.
Probly not since the lil bits inside the charger are programmed for .5a discharge 🤔
Are you still liking this charger? I just bought one to augment my capacity to test batteries - have an Ambient Weather BC-3000 (this is basically a re-badged Opus BT-C3100 v2.2) which has been a great charger but between having to replace the fan every so often and getting a better power supply for it (the 3100's stock power supply is absolute garbage) - Lii-500 just seemed to be a much more cost effective option since I never discharge any batteries faster than 500mA anyway.
Yup still love it! Using to this day and capacity testing cells as I reply back to you. No issues with it at all! Great charger
@@AveRage_Joe That is good to know. I just sort of stumbled across this one - it seems to be similar to an accupower IQ338 - but again - half the price - so it seems hard to go wrong with it. I'll let you know how it does - I have 16 18650's coming in that need to be conditioned for the first time so the Lii-500 will be busy. I probably will do it with the Opus model just to see how they both compare in the real world (after I replace yet another fan in it - lol).
Its crazy with the opus fan. Luckily I havent had to change mine yet but its sure noisy. Probly needs changed😉🤣
@@AveRage_Joe Oh you'll know when you need to change it - it makes a sound just as horrible as a computer PSU with bad fan bearings.
For the past 11 days I used every mode, charge, fast, nor and USB power bank. They all worked perfect but there’s something weird about the capacity test. A few of the batteries I tested gave me a higher mAh, even higher than their rated capacity! I have a ICR18650-22FU battery which is rated for 2200 mAh and it showed 2327. All of my batteries came from old laptops and most of these batteries capacity were very close to their rated current even though they were definitely worn and torn a lot. Any explanations about this weird phenomenon?
Sorry for this long and boring comment, couldn’t explain my pointed better
Its very common for cell manufactures to rate the cells lower then they actually are. Id say you got some great batteries!!
Thank you my friend! I appreciate the fast reply and taking your time to read my comment :D
You betcha!🤘
Bleep Bleep Bleep
I'm nor testing batteries with the LiitoKala Lii-500 , new 26650's or and recycled 18650's , none are recharging for a second time, only charge and discharge and end is blinking. 18650 and 26650 are sitting at 3.0v and not recharging. Nor test is charge/discharge/charge normally. Are the chargers bust, all 4 of them ?
Thanks for this video missed the kitty this time though.
So the charger isnt recharging the cells.....hmmmm yeah normally "nor test" will charge, discharge and recharge. Thats weird and have never heard that. Dumb question but have you unplugged them and plugged back in to see if it changes?
@@AveRage_Joe Wowser what a quick ninja response...
I will try that after the current batch has charged (manually). I have nor tested before without this issue.
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Hi. What's the benefit of discharge mode? For which it's used?
1st option is charge. 2nd mode is a discharge only and you usually dont use that option unless you know a battery is fully charged before using that option. 3rd mode is nortest and thats what option you use to fully charge a battery before it does a discharge test. That discharge test will tell you the life left in the battery or the health of battery in mah.
Could you do a test on (Solar charge Controllers) and recommend the Best Budget Solar Charge Controller?
The cheap ones are don't good.
It's a clone of the AccuPower IQ338 universal fast charger. I have both and they both work flawlessly.
Good to know! Thanks!!!👍
Display looks exactly the same.
hello sir. not a techie guy, need a plug and play type that can determine the voltage and charge it accordingly. mains are a plus. confused between nitecore i4/D4, liitokala engineer lii-500, xtar VC4/X4. Any suggestion which is better among them for you. thank you sir.
It depends on what you want to do. If you just want to charge batteries then the nitecore and xtar will do the job. If you want to capacity test cells and charge then you need the liitokala!
@@AveRage_Joe thank you. any particular model about nitecore or XTAR? but with overall build, safety, durability. what brand would you pick?
Ok, thank you(gracias)
If i wanted to charge an 1000 mAh AAA NiMh battery (SPECS: normal charge 85mA and fast charge 255mA). Can i charge it with this charger, even with the lowest charge setting (300mA)? Or does it seriusly damage the battery/life time?
I think you will be fine since the charger is ment to charge NiMh!👍
Can you charge a device while charging a battery in it? Thanks
Hey buddy, I'm about to buy a couple of these (be sure to use your affiliate link whenever I can) but I was wondering, these are great for processing cells and testing, but once you make the battery pack itself (say 4s50p), what would you suggest to charge em all? I'm not using solar and this is more of a portable power pack situation like Frank Brand does on his channel. I was thinking one of those PSU units they have for big LED lights, but I also have 12v 10A ac adapter.... Just wanted to see if you had any input on which is more dependable, quick and safe to use in portable situation?
Awesome, Much appreciated. was using the antimatter to charge/discharge test my packs but ended up blowing it up lol. I hear people are using the ISDT with good luck goo.gl/f4sBaW although I cant say from personal experience. Ill take a look at his channel to see what hes got going on!
@@AveRage_Joe - awesome, that's pretty much exactly what I was looking for. Thanks buddy!
@@honestinsincerity2270 🖒
I just bought this unit and only found out through your video that it is only able to tell you the capacity after doing either the Fast or NOR test, both of which will take some time. Is there one that will be able to tell you the capacity the instance you plug it in? Or it just doesn't work like that?
No they dont work like that. Would be amazing if they did. They have to be fully charged and then fully discharged to tell capacity!
@@AveRage_Joe Ah damn..it would've been great if it did! Thanks for this video and the reply!
No Problem!🤘
@average joe, mine charger works good for some time after that led remain on at slot 2 and cant switch to other slot.. any idea please help? .. reply ASAP
I dont follow what your asking. Can you hold the button for 3 seconds to change to other options?
waited for mine for 2 months. finally got it :)
Nice!!! Yeah shipping can be a lil slooooow but there good chargers!!!!👍💥
you get a *_like_* for your great review,thanks mate
Thanks Man!!!🖒
Thanks best video I have seen on this product !!!
Thanks Man!!!👍
I like the car plug, I'm about to build one for my opus
Hi can you charge battery D size or only up to AA size? Thank you
Yes, you can change D and AA!👍
Another good one. A suggestion, Don't use the word "Cheap" in the description. It has a negative connotation about it's quality. Keep up the good work.....
Low priced? Although the unit may be reliable and durable, it's still "cheap" in my opinion. It's unrefined and physically sounds built to a cost... but I don't run high end chargers with nice buttons and plastics anyways so it's a moot point.
Have a few of these, nothing wrong with them imo. Yes they get hot and theres no fan etc. I'm waiting for final judgement until Joe does the capacity test comparison that will tell its own tale. I think as long as you use the same capacity tester / charger for all your cells you should be good.
Thanks Man!!! Yeah ill keep the word cheap in mind in videos unless its real lol!!!😜
The comparison test is in progress right MEOW!!!
AveRage Joe eagerly waiting Joe 👍
Are there any chargers like this that discharge at 1a or even 2a on all 4 batteries at a time?
Yeah foxnovo 4s does 1 amp, opus does 1 amp, xtar dragon vp4+ does 1a and skyrc mc3000 can do 1a,2a and I think 3a. I have all of these and all can do in each slot at same time.
@@AveRage_Joe thanks
only discharge in nor mode 1 cell at a time . is this normal?
It should treat each slot as its own and test individually and capable of 4 at a time.
I wish I had known Bangood sold these I foolishly bought one from Ebay UK it came without a cable on checking every retailer on there was foing the same now Ive had to purchase a separate cable and I hope I've got the correct voltage
Yep they sellem. Power cable should be 12v!🤘
Is there a way to know when the charge/discharge cycle in NOR MODE is completed.
Sorry, I see the video showed the END status message.
Well I got one today, and I can tell you getting all the cells in and being able to press and hold the mode button within 8 seconds is challenging. I thought I did it, but low and behold, only slot 4 was nor test, the rest weren't. So had to start all over again, and this time I just did it one slot at a time....Having to put the cells into the unit the opposite of all other units takes a while to get used to. This mode setting setup is a bad design.
Yeah they should of went the other way for sure. I actually keep the charger turned around so I can load and unload charger like all the others and to write the capacity down. 😆🖒
yeah, that's how I did it this last time.
I have the Zanflare C4 which is similar, inverted cell orientation etc. Load the cells then power up the charger to give yourself more time to change the settings for all cells.
thats very good, ive ordered one, can you sugest a cheap good charger?
Nice! What do you need to charge and what kind specs would you like?
@@AveRage_Joe im planning on building a battery for my ebike out of second hand cells, need to check if they are worth using, something about 10s 7p , then need to ballence and charge, also need to weld them together or assemble it, whats your thoughts
how long it will take full charge with battery 1200 mah 1/2 volt..thank you
1200mah is a small battery. Wouldnt take long at all.
Holy crap! Finally a proper and professional review.
Thanks!
This charger is very similar with VariCore V40, or maybe it's the original design and product :D
Interesting, Ill look it up! Thanks👍
Do you know the LiitoKala Lii-PD4? Is it same kind of upgrade?
I think that one is a charger only! No discharge option.
@@AveRage_Joe Thank you
After getting used to this unit being upside down cell insert wise, and from the occasional "even in the first 8 seconds you still have to do each slot settings manually" it really isn't that bad of a unit though it does get much warmer than the OPUS. I will be getting more of them.
I actually prefer it over the Opus!!!😲👍
I can see that, the is a bit more information provided by the unit over the OPUS, but IMO the OPUS is must easier to operate, and has a few other options that this unit doesn't, which I use on occasion that really speeds things up.
I tried to change the current and Mode in slot 1within the 8 seconds...still the other slots i had to change it manually ! i tried to do it in slot 4 within 8 seconds and Bingo !! all other slots are the same ! when i put all 4 lipo,s in the slots...connect then the wall charger….my charger starts in that slot 4.... not in 1 !
Yeah it seems like its hit or miss when trying to get it to do all 4 slots. I have tried unplugging it and then plugging it back in like you but now I just have all 4 cells ready and insert them all at the same time and that does the trick for me!👍
ok...tnx...for me its working now fine....insert all 4 lipo,s...then plugin the wall charger !!..its start then on slot4...when the charging icon is blinking ( within the 8 seconds ) i put it in slot 4 on 1000 mA...then all my other 3 lipo,s are the same as Slot 4....also working with fast en normal test... :)
What is the internal resistance range of a health 18650 battery?
10-50 is good cells where 15-25 is a really really good cell. Anything above 50 it’s crap for high draw devices. But okay for Low drain devices. Up to 100 and above be aware of it and be careful from overheating
hey man, whats a safe discharge temperature for discharging at 1 amp.
If its to hot to touch is what most of us consider to hot!
@@AveRage_Joe awesome it was around 40 celcius 2as just curious thanks for the help
Oh ok yeah thats not to bad!
I have six clones of these chargers/testers. On mine:
1) They discharge at only 500 mA max as there is no active cooling (fan).
2) If they get too hot, discharge drops to 300 mA, resulting in an inflated mAh result.
3) Fast test ignores the discharge and gives you the mAh put IN to the battery (aka a charge test).
4) NOR test (aka normal test or discharge test) won't show test results until the recharge process has completed, so there's no opportunity to move the cell out to a TP4046 and start testing the next cell.
Still, good testers if you understand its shortcomings.
Mark
I think the clones may be different. Mine don't work like that on point 4. They discharge and show the result once it drops the cell to 2.8v this number then doesn't change through the rest of the cycle. So if you are around you can switch them to the tp4056's once discharge is over :)
Good to know all the clones don't behave the same way. On mine, the idea of hiding information until it's good and ready to show you always chafed my sensibilities a little. It's like I have the 'testers for dummies' model.
PS: Mine are the AccuPower IQ338, which appear to use the same (or nearly the same) firmware as the LiitoKala Engineer Lii-500 Joe tested in this video.
+Mark Phillips Yep, I misunderstood the discharge current. It is up to 500mah, I pinned a previous comment that pointed that out 🖒. NOR test on my charger shows mah once discharge test is complete so I am able to start the next batch of cells😀
How would you identify a clone? I just bought one for under £17
Hy . like your video review very much . i am in dificulty to decide for activate cell, charging and discover real capacity of 18650 ( real health ) , this is good for me ? Cand I format the lit-ion cells ? Can you tell me please xtar dragon vp4 + it possible to make test for real capacity mor accurate and quicly ( i mean for example nor test ? Thanke you
Yeah these are great chargers! Use Nor Test for accurate capacity checking!
@@AveRage_Joe thanke you for response .1. just 2 more q. With this can activate 0 v battery ? 2 . nor test witch xtar dragn vp4 + cand make more quickly then liitokala lii 500 ?
No, nether can do 0v cells and both are about the same in time. If you want a faster charger go with Opus!
I tested an recorded about 16 cells before realizing the MR reading is basically meaningless. some cells were in the 100+. but then one was 180. the cells are all the same make from the same new old stock battery packs. So, I tested it a few more times and every time it was different, with reading from 13 to 180 . WTF?. Can someone please tell me of a good ,accurate and consitant and EASY test. so I can finally match the hundreds of cells I have been collecting??????????????.
uuh i cant change what slot iam looking at while itts working?
i startet a test with 4 batteries but i can only watch SLOT 4
Your button malfunction ? mine just click those 1234 button and it will display which slot you want..
Yes mine as well!
I just overlooked the 4 buttons because my last charger with 2 slots didn't had them ... lol🤔
@@Bergwacht i see, but incase one day your button stop working or malfunction i read somewhere that with simple clean the inside button with contact cleaner or alcohol will solve it. but mine have more than a year of usage without problem.
Mine the IR isn't right.i have 2 slots that show high and 2 that show low. Swap the same cell to slot one and it's 55mr swap it to slot 3 and it's 125mr,go to slot 2 and it's 75mr slot 4 it's 85mr.
So for mine it's just not accurate. However it seems to charge just fine
the most accurate charger on the IR test is the opus 3100
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Nice review of the LiitoKala Charger :) Another one for the tool box! It's a shame, though, that it's just as inaccurate/inconsistant with the Resistance test as the Opus. Does it use spring wires inside as well; and possibly not even soldered?
On another note, how do you get all these given to you to review? I'd like to get into the reviewing thing myself.
+Korishan Bang good contacted me through youtube but I think I might beable to get you a link to possibly do the do the same thing. Let me look!😀🖒
Sweet! Thanks! 😎
I didnt find much, they have a few affiliate things but most are buying a product, then do a review and you get points and possibly getting other stuff for free. Here it shows a few examples www.banggood.com/Banggood-Review-Club_hl55
Ahhh, looks like when you start posting reviews thats when they'll start sending you stuff. Ok, no biggie. Thanks for looking :)
You could just start putting more videos out and they will probly contact you or even another place like gearbest might even contact you. I never expected to be contacted, then one day...BOOM💥😱
Thanks a lot for your great review. I received mine today but when i do "NOR test" , it shows "End" after ~30 seconds... Do you think i received a faulty charger ? Thanks ! edit: i think the issue comes from my battery, i tested another one and now it works xD
Thanks!!!! I was going to ask how many cells you tried just in case it was a faulty cell but looks like you got it figured out!!!👍😃
Hi if we want to open litokala 6 slot charger so which type or size of screw driver will required pls tell
I would imagine a phillips head screwdriver
@@AveRage_Joe okie thanks for instant reply
Can i hooked this charger direct tk solar panel thanks in advance love your videos
I dont think I would do that. It would be to much voltage and possibly fry it.
So is it any good?
Yeah mate! There pretty good chargers!
Unfortunately it is not possible to use AA and AA batteries in the power bank mode.
Hmm never checked but I think you are correct!
Wrong Descriptions about "Fast Test" and "Nor Test"!
Fast Test: First discharges battery from any voltage it is to 2.8V, and Second: full Charges it and measures capacity during this charge, and then stops (so measuring the Capacity During the Charge).
Nor Test: First Full Charges the battery. Second Discharges the battery (to 2.8V) and Measures the Capacity during this Discharge, and Third: Full Charges the battery and Stops (so measuring the Capacity During the Discharge).
Also there is not any description that: What is the "2X" in the shown "internal resistance table"?!
The rest is good!
+fbahr1 Yup said the fast test does capacity on discharge. It is on recharge. The 2X was it hit the number shown twice. Ill update the description box here in a bit. Shoot maybe ill just make a quick "update" for this video lol
OK, Thanks AveRage Joe.
👍
Does it have a low voltage protection for discharging?
Yep, has a set voltage on top and low end!🖒
So only 4 x 500 mAh discharge ?
And when only using 2 cells, it's still 500 mAh ?!
Yes! 500ma discharge each slot!
Hey dude.
Great video. Thanks for the sharing.
I've something to offer you. And I'd plan to do it for myself.
I've came across on a powerbank solar. So I've though, Wow. That's nice...
And I wanted to buy a new battery charger. So I've thought why not to combine between the two of it? I've looked for battery charger with USB input so I can plug it to the charger. And I've found it. Only the idea to power my wireless mouse and my keyboard by the power of the sun is awesome!!! What do you think about it?
I really hope you'll try it.
Interesting Idea for sure!!!🌞🔋🖱⌨😃👍
Hiya Buddy, been catching up on your great videos.
I have a request/suggestion for your battery charger videos. Could you test the cutoff voltages for discharge tests? And also bounce-back voltages, after discharge is complete. ie., some chargers may discharge to 3.00v under discharge load, but then bounce back to 3.60v 1 minute after removed.
I have the Opus 3400, and it actually removes the discharge load to check cell voltage for discharge termintation at 3.30v. This makes a large difference in the S.O.C. remaining in the cell, and at the same time prevents them from pulling that last 1% or so SOC from the cells, which greatly shortens their lifespan. Cheaper chargers just shoot for 2.6 - 3.0v while under load , so the cell could still have 30% or more charge still remaining, depending on the discharge load and cell type.
You have become one of the most faithful posters from the 18650 folks. Cheers on your persistence and great videos! That is what it takes to succeed on RUclips, and it's great to see you're starting to see some of the perks from that ;)
~Aspen
Hey man whats going on? Yeah I could do a video on there cutoff voltage and then see where the cells bounce back to after removing for about a min or so. It might take me a little time to capture it since im not always around to see the low end but Ill try to time it on the weekend. Im wondering if the bounce back happens more on the 1amp setting over the the lower settings. Im betting it does. If I can be there for that, ill check the lower amp setting as well. I appreciate the comment and Yes, starting to see some of the other benefits of doing the RUclips!!!!😆👍🔋
Isn’t this the same as if you had an RC charger like the imax?
Im not sure since I dont have an imax.
Hello guys, Anyone can explain why is this test called NOR? Is there a logic behind like NOR gate or?
They call it normal test but NOR for short.
does it do all 4 cells at once say on the nor test
It sure does!!!
Can this charger test 26650 LiFePo4 cells just like the Opus?
No I dont believe it can!
@@AveRage_Joe bummer but getting one anyway
How long it takes to charge a double A battery using this charger
It really depends on the mah of the battery but double A shouldn't take to long. I cant say for sure since I usually charge 18650s with it.
is there a way to ge the backlight to stay on? thanks
I cant remember but if there is, its by long pressing one of the buttons.
@@AveRage_Joe ya I tried that allready but to no prevail. The opus bt3100 works by holding down the Display Button but the Lii500 I've tried them all
Hmmmmm Ok!