Lots to respond here - firstly very well done. All the points I was going to bring up were covered. Few synchronicities the roger race picture Celtic Tides you used is of my church, that’s Lelant looking across the estuary from Hayle. My father is in a grave to the left of the Church in that view. My grandparents in front. I liked the analysis, if we assume this wasn’t just Shiels surfing on top of a folkloric idea - by way I met Shiels and he was a great one for complex pranks, it was the surrealist in him, plus regular contributor to Fortean times at that point. Anyway - couple of points: 1. Mawnan is at a confluence of geology as well as archaeology - you mention the lambas enclosure around, the fact the church is a wall away from the village, the fact the area is all enclosed with trees and hence dark or shadowy. 2. The church sits right on top of a large geologic rock fold, we often find the phenomena (as Steve Mera likes to call it so I will use same) in such places. Whether the geology and water flows disrupt something or allow something who knows - but Church and woods are right on top - look at beach and you can visually see strata. Much of Cornwall geologically is on granite, a large granite lithic structure. However here we see strata and folds and metamorphic rock and fractures - up through cracks seeps what ? 3. The church is an intruder as such, intruding on a location and we still pick up this uneasiness. It should be a beautiful place like lelant church (St Uny) but it’s not, we are on edge when there and pick up this. Interesting also for such an aged woodland there are very few old old trees ? Take a look at the woods and you would be lucky to find any over 200 years and as we get closer to water they become more stunted. I liked this episode a lot, I was keen to write about the geology and bang - Ithal Culhoon springs into that and mentions it perfectly. I have a great tip for another location but will put in seperate comment to avoid overloading. Great work, well considered, interesting. Sadly this world prefers perhaps monsters, videos, ooh and ahh - rather than responses to place.
I didn't cover the geology as much as I wanted - but you are absolutely right. It's interesting that the thought of the church being an intruder here, as you said, also occurred to me. One of my conclusions is that the place hasn't been shown the respect it arguably should have been. The cutting through the lan to create pathways, the destruction of the rest of it...
Grand job. Enjoyed that. 🦉 As an aside Carn Kenidjack is also a place worth visiting for those welcoming what Folkways describes as an ‘unpleasant’ atmospheric taint. I personally have felt nothing but tranquility on each of the occasions I have visited the site, although those accompanying me on each visit have always commented on how uncomfortable the area has made them feel, stuttering their exploration of the locale.
Indeed. And tales of Old Nick… It’s an important place I’d venture. Like Mawnan. I purposefully kept its reputation from those with me who felt ‘unpleasantness’ there, as a way to avoid any auto-suggestion. If you haven’t already you may want to read some T.C. Lethbridge, and his ‘ghoul zone’ was it he called it? 🙂
The sea creature photograph at 10:06 appeared in Janet and Colin Bord's fascinating book, Alien Animals. The photographer who provided the picture identified herself(?) only as "Mary M". While the picture was later identified as the out of focus head of a swimming elephant, there does seem to be more than one unexplained sea creature around Britain's shores, and seen over a very long time.
In terms of places worth visit and of interest and also sacred and a little daunting here we go. Along footpath between lelant beach and carbis bay is a place called the Nut Grove and just above cliff top beach is the nut grove holy well. Back in 1980 my wife used to go there with her school she says, I hadn’t myself visited until this year. You can locate it on megalithic Britain I think or megalithic mania. You walk from carbis bay cross train tracks and head right - you walk towards lelant, if you get to some steps going up under cover of the trees you may have just gone past it. You look to left and there is a path, ill used - you will know you have it as there are under your feet cut stones and wooden pieces with iron nails in to stop slippage. It’s tricky to find but you see the “steps” going down and you know you have it - it’s very overgrown. The sacred well is a pool in the rocks and a small cavern, be very careful as in front of you is trees but you are right above the cliff to the beach so be careful and slow. It’s safe enough if you go slow and carefully. When you find the well, it’s pretty interesting for number of reasons. It was very well used back in day, now there are still offerings of beads, rosaries, some small fairy dolls as well and other items strewn around. I have feeling someone did tend it then stopped suddenly. The pool is well fed but dank with leaves, I cleared it out when I was there up to elbow in the cold water as pool is deep. IN bottom were a lot of coins tossed in but all modern or last 10 years - suspect others have cleared it in past. I left all items as it’s not good to take from such places, if you do make sure you do a swap. There are also candles there so people come there to meditate or pray, but it has feeling even this summer of other holy wells being forgotten it seems to me by time and people. It’s very much less well known than the St Uny wells you mention - being only really known to locals as such and not many of them. I had an interesting time there but it didn’t re-energise my spirit in the way I had hoped. I was on a sort of pilgrimage that day, visiting some places from my past and some new places. I am not Cornish but grew up there - this was not a centre for healing or not for me anyway. It also seems to me not very religious as a site, though is technically a holy well. Perhaps I didn’t approach it in the right way, but I was very respectful. So interesting visit and well worth it for an obscure place, but like many of these more abandoned ancient sites is starting to return to the land and nature and certainly for me didn’t hold energy. Perhaps I’m just too old now and should have visited with a partner on a moonlit night when 19 and things would have been otherwise. I have indeed on Cornwall had many varied experiences of place, but this was just perhaps a little sorrowful given how untended it was. I would not discourage a visit though for anyone in area and looking for places off beaten track. Worst case you can have fun looking in pool for coins and trinkets amongst the leaves. I should add this for anyone going there, i would take a sieve and bucket to help clean it up. The water clouds right away as soon as you stir up the silt in bottom and takes time to clear again. The water also I would not drink from - sure might not really harm you but its constantly fed from above. Above is granite but it comes off farmers fields and you don’t know position of livestock parasites or nitrates and other fertiliser in run-off. Given rain we have had it might be pretty clean, but I would not risk it without vigorous boiling for start. Happy hunting
The girls did not know each other, had no contact with each other either before or after the experience, yet all reported approximately the same sight.
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Lots to respond here - firstly very well done. All the points I was going to bring up were covered.
Few synchronicities the roger race picture Celtic Tides you used is of my church, that’s Lelant looking across the estuary from Hayle. My father is in a grave to the left of the Church in that view. My grandparents in front.
I liked the analysis, if we assume this wasn’t just Shiels surfing on top of a folkloric idea - by way I met Shiels and he was a great one for complex pranks, it was the surrealist in him, plus regular contributor to Fortean times at that point.
Anyway - couple of points:
1. Mawnan is at a confluence of geology as well as archaeology - you mention the lambas enclosure around, the fact the church is a wall away from the village, the fact the area is all enclosed with trees and hence dark or shadowy.
2. The church sits right on top of a large geologic rock fold, we often find the phenomena (as Steve Mera likes to call it so I will use same) in such places. Whether the geology and water flows disrupt something or allow something who knows - but Church and woods are right on top - look at beach and you can visually see strata. Much of Cornwall geologically is on granite, a large granite lithic structure. However here we see strata and folds and metamorphic rock and fractures - up through cracks seeps what ?
3. The church is an intruder as such, intruding on a location and we still pick up this uneasiness. It should be a beautiful place like lelant church (St Uny) but it’s not, we are on edge when there and pick up this. Interesting also for such an aged woodland there are very few old old trees ? Take a look at the woods and you would be lucky to find any over 200 years and as we get closer to water they become more stunted.
I liked this episode a lot, I was keen to write about the geology and bang - Ithal Culhoon springs into that and mentions it perfectly. I have a great tip for another location but will put in seperate comment to avoid overloading. Great work, well considered, interesting. Sadly this world prefers perhaps monsters, videos, ooh and ahh - rather than responses to place.
I didn't cover the geology as much as I wanted - but you are absolutely right.
It's interesting that the thought of the church being an intruder here, as you said, also occurred to me.
One of my conclusions is that the place hasn't been shown the respect it arguably should have been. The cutting through the lan to create pathways, the destruction of the rest of it...
Sorry I got over excited, I'm saving this one until the time I'm on my own , so I can appreciate it!!! Can't bloody wait!!! ❤😂😂😂
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See you got over excited to, and is that a Pennywise balloon 🎈 😂‽?😮
This is lovely and wonderful and fascinating and haunting - thank you so much for making this. You just acquired a devoted listener!
Thank you.
You have a beautiful voice and accent .❤️❤️❤️🙂
Grand job. Enjoyed that. 🦉
As an aside Carn Kenidjack is also a place worth visiting for those welcoming what Folkways describes as an ‘unpleasant’ atmospheric taint.
I personally have felt nothing but tranquility on each of the occasions I have visited the site, although those accompanying me on each visit have always commented on how uncomfortable the area has made them feel, stuttering their exploration of the locale.
It's an imposing feature on its surrounds for sure, although I enjoyed my walk to it. It has a very interesting link to the dead in folklore.
Indeed. And tales of Old Nick…
It’s an important place I’d venture. Like Mawnan.
I purposefully kept its reputation from those with me who felt ‘unpleasantness’ there, as a way to avoid any auto-suggestion.
If you haven’t already you may want to read some T.C. Lethbridge, and his ‘ghoul zone’ was it he called it?
🙂
Looking forward to listening!
The sea creature photograph at 10:06 appeared in Janet and Colin Bord's fascinating book, Alien Animals. The photographer who provided the picture identified herself(?) only as "Mary M".
While the picture was later identified as the out of focus head of a swimming elephant, there does seem to be more than one unexplained sea creature around Britain's shores, and seen over a very long time.
Luvly voice!
@@benwilliams2135 I think I stayed in your house in Penzance!
@folkwayspodcast really?
@folkwayspodcast very probably. Who was you, if you don't mind me asking
That was so good, thank you.
@@anders4881 thanks for listening!
In terms of places worth visit and of interest and also sacred and a little daunting here we go.
Along footpath between lelant beach and carbis bay is a place called the Nut Grove and just above cliff top beach is the nut grove holy well. Back in 1980 my wife used to go there with her school she says, I hadn’t myself visited until this year.
You can locate it on megalithic Britain I think or megalithic mania. You walk from carbis bay cross train tracks and head right - you walk towards lelant, if you get to some steps going up under cover of the trees you may have just gone past it. You look to left and there is a path, ill used - you will know you have it as there are under your feet cut stones and wooden pieces with iron nails in to stop slippage. It’s tricky to find but you see the “steps” going down and you know you have it - it’s very overgrown.
The sacred well is a pool in the rocks and a small cavern, be very careful as in front of you is trees but you are right above the cliff to the beach so be careful and slow. It’s safe enough if you go slow and carefully.
When you find the well, it’s pretty interesting for number of reasons. It was very well used back in day, now there are still offerings of beads, rosaries, some small fairy dolls as well and other items strewn around. I have feeling someone did tend it then stopped suddenly. The pool is well fed but dank with leaves, I cleared it out when I was there up to elbow in the cold water as pool is deep. IN bottom were a lot of coins tossed in but all modern or last 10 years - suspect others have cleared it in past. I left all items as it’s not good to take from such places, if you do make sure you do a swap.
There are also candles there so people come there to meditate or pray, but it has feeling even this summer of other holy wells being forgotten it seems to me by time and people. It’s very much less well known than the St Uny wells you mention - being only really known to locals as such and not many of them.
I had an interesting time there but it didn’t re-energise my spirit in the way I had hoped. I was on a sort of pilgrimage that day, visiting some places from my past and some new places. I am not Cornish but grew up there - this was not a centre for healing or not for me anyway. It also seems to me not very religious as a site, though is technically a holy well. Perhaps I didn’t approach it in the right way, but I was very respectful. So interesting visit and well worth it for an obscure place, but like many of these more abandoned ancient sites is starting to return to the land and nature and certainly for me didn’t hold energy.
Perhaps I’m just too old now and should have visited with a partner on a moonlit night when 19 and things would have been otherwise. I have indeed on Cornwall had many varied experiences of place, but this was just perhaps a little sorrowful given how untended it was. I would not discourage a visit though for anyone in area and looking for places off beaten track. Worst case you can have fun looking in pool for coins and trinkets amongst the leaves.
I should add this for anyone going there, i would take a sieve and bucket to help clean it up. The water clouds right away as soon as you stir up the silt in bottom and takes time to clear again. The water also I would not drink from - sure might not really harm you but its constantly fed from above. Above is granite but it comes off farmers fields and you don’t know position of livestock parasites or nitrates and other fertiliser in run-off. Given rain we have had it might be pretty clean, but I would not risk it without vigorous boiling for start.
Happy hunting
Thank you so much! I haven't been but will. I have some upcoming work on wells, so is good timing. Thanks again
Briliant stuff.
Thank you!
The girls did not know each other, had no contact with each other either before or after the experience, yet all reported approximately the same sight.
Interesting isn't it!
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