Saw X Review From Saw Fanatics
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
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Im just glad at the end of the day we got another Saw movie no matter what.
Saw X honestly makes Saws 2 and 3 even better. By showing Amanda’s relationship with John prior to Saw 2, it adds the following…
1) By showing Amanda being unsure of whether she could carry on John’s legacy, it adds another reason for her to be in the Saw 2 house, as the ending of Saw 2 stated she had to be “reborn.”
2) By showing what she went through in Saw X, it helps you feel the emotional pain that Saw 3 indicates Amanda has gone through. It also plants the seeds that would be paid off in Saw 3 where she comes to the conclusion that “no one changes.”
3) By showing a early point in John and Amanda’s relationship, it helps you understand why Amanda cares so much for John and why she’s so distraught at him dying, which was indicated in Saw 3, but Saw X makes it clear she was connected and invested in John far more than any of his other apprentices, the only person rivaling this being Jill. This makes Saw 3’s ending sadder.
Also by making John sympathetic in Saw X, in makes the reveals of his tragic past more emotional in Saw 4, making that film even better as well.
So to me, Saw X is great for making Saws 2-4 even better.
My belief with Saw 6 is that the “doctor in Norway” that John was talking to William about was Finn Pederson. Saw X does reveal Finn Pederson and nothing indicates he was a fraud, just his daughter Cecilia. So in a way it does work with that scene.
As for the traps being so simple… it’s the same arguement I had regarding the 8th films traps (other than the Laser Collar)… the elaborate traps didn’t really start until Saw 3, by setting the 8th film main game and Saw X’s traps earlier in the timeline, they fit that part of the timeline, where John Kramer is in is the much earlier days of his work, whereas by Saw 3 his traps were the result of someone who had a lot of practice designing, building, and executing the traps. So it’s fine for them to be simple, and they’re more elaborate than the 8th film’s main game, which adds up since it takes place after those games.
The mid-credits scene also allows for another way Hoffman can escape the bathroom, as revealing he had been there before means he could have placed something in the room in case he ever was trapped in there.
I like and agree with what was said here mostly. The film does have continuity errors though and I’ll just have to learn to accept them
@@sinistercinemareviews5420 Good to hear. Also, the scene where he bonds with the kid makes the scene of him losing his own child in Saw 4 sadder because we now got a glimpse of what he would have been like as a father.
Forgot to mention that, after mulling it over I realized it.
I really enjoyed the movie. It was great to see the interaction between John and Amanda. The mid credit scene was great!
To me this is Better Call Saw (in that it's a prequel where the actors are clearly older, but you don't mind because the performances and stories are so awesome).
As a long time saw fan I absolutely loved this film. Haven’t seen a good saw film since 6. Also without spoilers the bloodboarding scene was excellent. I love this film, seeing it again tomorrow
Oh wonderful
For hard-core Saw fans, this would easily be the best review of this movie. I love the way Jason compared this to the episodic nature of the previous films. Nailed every point.
These films inspire me more than the creators could ever imagine. The same way Walter White inspired me is the same way John does.
He watches over us he guides us and he teaches us to take life and prosperity in our own hands he is love he is forgiveness he is graciousness his love is never-ending he is our new king he is John Kramer and his work will live on through us the children of Saw
Really Really looking forward to this . Heard good things, will be a hard going to beat saw 1 though. I remember seeing that in the cinema and thinking wow wtf have I just seen ,it was the day my expectation in horror went up but not much has lived up to that film lol. . Much love from the uk ❤
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I feel you on the continuity thing…like I was kinda thinking Kerry would show up or something, or any of those central characters, given the time in which Saw X takes place. I did really like how John was so much of the focus - the first 45 minutes felt like a straight-up character study/drama before the tone changed. It’s definitely the most straightforward one too. I think we could have gotten more stylized traps, more Billy, and stuff like that but overall I was really into it and enjoyed it. Way better than Jigsaw and Spiral
Definitely better than those two for sure
@@sinistercinemareviews5420i have a major soft spot for Jigsaw because I live in Harrisburg PA where Coroner Graham Hetrick operates and his motto is "I speak for the dead" if you've seen his ID channel show.
love most of everything that Jason said, especially this being a side quest. this didn't seem nearly enough like the OG7.
It sure didn’t
I did really enjoy the film, but once it hit the part with the bitchy woman getting the upper hand, and him planning for her to do it the whole time it started to feel a bit wonky.
Plus it frustrated me that the evil woman (I never remember character names) was set up to be the "main" target that the film wants everyone to hate and see killed is then let off quite easy with an incredibly easy "trap" where all she has to do is kill the guy and it's just a no brainer for her. Man, I wanted her to have her face peeled off in a trap 😂 don't know what that says about me.
But everything leading up to the final act I loved, then the ending just felt very unsatisfying and a little silly. I did love just seeing way more of John though, as we all do.
And I would take this film over the previous 2 any day, even though I do enjoy those too.
Agreed about her stuff
That's what might happen w/Art the CLOWN if they don't slow it down...wait awhile to think it through before jumping to another seq.
They won’t
I disagree. Normally I'm with you. But Saw was known for moving quickly on sequels. And they were good at it. The wait for the last couple films hurt it. When the Saw films strike when the iron is hot and get moving on the next one quickly, it actually helps them.
Not the case for other franchises. But this one is different in that regard.
No
The trap with the Mayan mask fit well with the Mexican slant of the movie, very well done and thought of...
I enjoyed this film, despite its flaws still give it an 8.5/10 one of the bet of the series but prob not THE best like the critics are saying. Very good entry in the franchise however.
I agree, the fun part was connececting the dots of the past films. But this was a completely self contained movie that has zero bearing on anything else and doesnt drive the series forward. As a fan myself it was a great chapter but i get what he was saying.
And yes, Amanda's captain kangaroo hair was distracting 😅
I think Saw X had to justify its existence after 20 years and so I appreciated that they did try to do something different and more focused this time-of course this would absolutely create a case for certain fans being disappointed that it isn’t necessarily what they wanted…
Definitely
I love the idea of the test subjects ABSOLUTELY deserving to be there. Ripping off terminally ill patients with false hope is very much deserving of a Jigsaw trap.
I think this is the best since Saw 6.
It’s a better film than 7 but 7 feels more like Saw to me.
@@sinistercinemareviews5420Part 7 wasn't great but it damn sure has its moments. Hoffman was BRUTAL, and I loved the Chester Bennington (RIP) scene, and as silly as the opening public trap was, it was damn sure a victory before it's time for how society targets masculinity.
It is the best since 6 but that's not saying much: 3D, Spiral, and Jigsaw were not good...the worst of the series.
This is why this channel is one if not the best horror channel. So many reviews have just said it’s the best saw ever 🤷🏻♂️ universally. I’m with Jason. It wasn’t amazing but it wasn’t terrible. 7/10. I didn’t care at all for the people in the traps and the traps weren’t memorable. Though loved seeing Tobin Bell at 81 give us a full length saw film which should have been done before. Loved the mid scene credits
Absolutely
Hey there! An old, hardcore Saw fan here as well! I used to watch them religiously when I was younger, but not anymore. I still highly praise it as my favorite horror franchise of all time.
My personal opinion of the movie in the grand scheme of things: A compelling, stand-alone character piece about John Kramer that fits well in the series. I was pleasantly surprised after the somewhat diluted and uninspired sequels that came before it, i.e. Saw 3D (my least favorite in the franchise, period), Jigsaw and Spiral (while they had great concepts and ''different'' tones, it felt like the same old, generic Saw film). Definitely the best sequel since Saw VI. Hell, even since Saw II.
Not your typical Saw film, that's for sure. I actually appreciated the bold risks the writers took in this one. You can definitely sympathize more with John, even Amanda. I felt zero empathy for the victims despite them being somewhat fleshed out enough to make us "care" for them, except maybe Gabriela and Mateo, but that's another thing. Why? Their performances were incredible all across the board, mostly Tobin Bell. The acting felt more natural this time around, not that it was atrocious all the time in the series (some of the films suffered more from poor dialogue and direction than bad acting in my opinion).
To me though, it does have the look and the tone of a Saw movie, but with more solid writing and definitely more humanizing than any other Saw film.
And to your point, even though the franchise feels convoluted as a series, I actually see it as "episodic" too. That's its biggest strength. No one can take this away from it.
So yeah, overall, I enjoyed Saw X. A great prequel to the sequel, no pun intended. lol
@DeathTragedy666, Some great points. I agree with most of them. Do you think it (X) works better as Saw 2? I never got the individual love for Saw 2 because I can feel the heart of the story was not a Saw film. It began as a spec script of Bousman's with strangers in a house breathing in toxic fumes. Whannell turned it into a Saw sequel once Bousman was chosen to direct and agreed to tge compromise. It feels tweaked and turned into a Saw sequel with way too many characters. Like a Big Brother or MTV Real World episode stretched into a Saw movie. The beginning and ending feel tacked on and it just felt...off to me as a Saw film. Most people love it but I find Saw 3 much more compelling. and similar to Saw 1 tone-wise. You?
I forgot how gross (in a good way) the fleshy sounds sounded in theaters. Loved it though!
Sounds like we’re talking about them brining back porn theaters
@@sinistercinemareviews5420lol Rhythmic slapping sounds
My favorite horror movie of the year. My only issue is that it didn't feel like it took place when it did cuz Amanda is clearly aged and because of how long after like you said...I appreciate that it's different and maybe the best 10th movie in a franchise haha also it was a bit repetitive with Amanda kidnapping the victims.
Definitely needed Hoffman
You’re entitled to your opinions but this review is a bit negatively skewed. I agree with some of what you said definitely but I’m just happy about this film
You definitely don’t gotta agree with us on everything
I agree with what you had to say about the traps. James Wan definitely brings the art.
Absolutely
Great to know! I've watched every Saw movie and I like the Saw franchise but I'm not necessarily a Saw freak or a big Saw lore "junkie." So, this seems it would work for me - a complete movie with traps that are gorey, sign me up
Perfect
I have my ticket for tonight! As a not the biggest Saw fan, I’ve been hearing great things. Stoked! 🎫 🤘🏻
The thing about the traps in the three Josh Stolberg/Pete Goldfinger films is its missing something. And it took me a while but I finally figured out what it is.
A lot of the traps in the original 7 (not all of them) all had some connecting theme or tie in into the person's "crime"
Danica being chained in place so she couldn't run like she did with Jeff's son, William's policy, things like that
These are just shitty people in random traps. Which can be fun. But it lacks that connection to their characters for the most part.
That’s definitely not always the case for sure though
@@sinistercinemareviews5420 No, that kinda stops around Saw 5 but the early films have a lot of it.
I personally thought it was dogsh*t, but mainly because I didn't buy into what the movie was trying to sell. The crux is the way the script attempts to humanize Jigsaw but falls flat on its face. Its aim to manipulate the emotions of the audience is laughable, especially since we are asked to be compassionate toward a serial killer who kidnaps some thieves and tortures them to death. The dilemma of the Jigsaw character and what he does to these scammers is completely disproportionate and therein lies the big flaw with the film. Any poor attempt at humanization, like Jigsaw saving a child toward the end of the film, does not absolve him from any of the events that came prior. Count me in as one of the few completely confused by the positive reviews for this film.
I feel like this has always been the case with John. He uses his cancer as a justification for what he does
@@sinistercinemareviews5420 I am not arguing what the character's justifications are, those are quite clear. I am, however, criticizing the movie's approach and its attempt at making a despicable antagonist relatable.
My series reviews...
Saw - Amazing
Saw II - Awesome
Saw III - Good
Saw IV - Very Good
Saw V - Totally Watchable
Saw VI - Amazing
Saw 3D - Has its moments for sure
Jigsaw - Totally Watchable
Spiral - Not horrible
Saw X - Awesome
The most disappointing thing for me, and probably something I should of just avoided entirely, was watching the THE TRAILER. They gave way too much information about the main plotline, about half of the movie is stuff we already knew coming into the theater. I really wish they spent less time explaining everything leading up to that point, and instead they could of focused more on at least TRYING to plug this movie in-between the first two movies as promised. To add to the disappointment, the glimmer of fan service was strictly done by phone calls and a cameo in the post credit scene🤣 Let's just hope this movie sells really well so they can give us a movie just for the fans! It's time!!!
So I liked it, man, but I think it’s lacking, at the end of the day. Personally, I like Jigsaw more than this, but that’s just because it felt more like traditional Saw for me. I’m glad people in the mainstream audience are really digging this one, so far. Maybe we can go back to a yearly series, if it does super well.
I totally agree with your stance on loving these movies based to how it goes back to the other sequels narratively, and how it fills in gaps. It’s intriguing how this is like a franchise Jigsaw puzzle. 1-7 did this pretty well.
I also do love X’s character-arc based movie on John.
Where would I rank this with the other 9?
I still would not let this movie rank above 1-3. Those are the most desirable movies, looking at this from the franchise puzzle.
X would definitely be above Jigsaw and Spiral, especially if these stories never get touched on again.
4-7, even though dips in everything, are compliments to 1-3, and achieve an interesting continuity more so than X.
Id still rank X above 4, but below 3. In our perspective, the movie would have benefited with flashbacks to the early encounters of John and Amanda or Amanda first encountering the detective, or “The Detective” at work finding out the location of these people in Mexico.
It’s understandable that this would disrupt the pace of the movie, and confuse the casual audience. So hopefully in the next movie, it would be a character arc-based movie between John, Amanda, and Hoffman, where Hoffman carries more of the story. Just the whole concept of this detective working on the Jigsaw killer case, who is one of the perpetrators is an interesting concept. Then the following sequel would no longer require John and Amanda, and finally we can get the continuation of where Saw 7 left us off with.
This would be an amazing way to continue the franchise.
I'm shocked you're so not about this mate. It's not great but compared to the last few I was totally about it. The 'burden of expectation' perhaps.
If they need a plot for SAW XI--
Start the film with Hoffman being found by some Jigsaw fanatics in the bathroom and taken to jail.
Jump forward ten years.
Daniel Matthews is now a cop like his dad and is trying to avenge the person who taught him everything. He hears of a new Jigsaw murder and decides he's going to talk to Hoffman (who has been mute for ten years) about it. Let the interactions between Hoffman and Daniel be homage to The Silence of the Lambs.
In the end, have Daniel manage to kidnap Hoffman and hold him up in the Wilson Steel Plant on a block of ice. Reveal Daniel to be a Jigsaw accomplice. Show footage of him and Logan Nelson being revealed as the two pig heads that helped Dr. Gordon kidnap Hoffman a decade ago. And when Hoffman realizes that he is in the exact same trap that killed Daniel's dad, have him say something about it being unwinnable. Daniel says that Amanda taught him everything including how to get revenge (hence the unwinnable trap). The big twist is that Daniel has Stockholm Syndrome and has been obsessed with taking down the person responsible for Amanda dying, which is Hoffman. Daniel says game over as the two blocks of ice swing down and crush Hoffman's head.
Throughout the movie, show traps that have people being punished for abusing their children (ex. A woman has to break her feet and crawl out of a burning building to represent her not saving her child and making it crawl out of a house fire). This will give the hint that Daniel is the Jigsaw accomplice because he was a neglected child BUT it will keep the twist of him wanting to avenge Amanda a secret.
I really appreciate this review from fellow saw fans. It seems every review I've seen thus far has been from the casual crowd and I definitely appreciate a more seasoned reviewer when it comes to this franchise.
That said, I really liked the movie as a fan of the franchise myself. It's definitely in the top half of all Saw movies for me. While I do enjoy the continuity aspects of the franchise (especially in 2-4), it's not the primary reason I am into it. I mostly like character work and the traps along with the twisting nature of every entry in the franchise. So naturally, I enjoyed this entry as it delves deeper into two of the series best characters. It's what i've always wanted in a Saw sequel, but never got. I always thought it was a huge mistake killing off both Amanda and John so early in the series, so I'm glad to see both of them back in the fray and getting a deeper look into each of their characters.
I also actually enjoy the side story aspect of this movie as I got that same vibe about it as you all did. However, I had a weird hot take idea after walking out of the theater: spin this movie off into its own timeline and give us more Amanda, John, and Hoffman. Like I said previously, I think it was a huge mistake to kill off the central character and his first apprentice so early in the franchise. I think it would be interesting to see where it goes and what they do different as I think franchise mostly went off the rails after Saw 4 (with the exception of 6). Continuity or not, those later entries were stinkers in my opinion, even though they were still fun popcorn movies. I doubt they would go this route, but I think it would be fun to see.
Great Review Jason! Here's my updated Rankings:
10. Jigsaw
9. Spiral: The Book Of Saw
8. Saw 3D
7. Saw
6. Saw III
5. Saw II
4. Saw X
3. Saw V
2. Saw VI
1. Saw IV
I've never been a fan of the franchise, but this is my favorite. I just couldn't get over the cinematography and editing style of so many of them. X is much better and It has way more movie elements than previous sequels. It felt like a real movie as opposed to a trap anthology. Tobin Bell was great and Kramer finally got the focus he deserved. I enjoyed it and would welcome more Saw movies in this vein.
Haven't seen it yet but Kaylees the first person I've seen say she likes Amanda's wig 😅
Same haha
Yeah, I was hyped for this movie and was disappointed… The script is pretty bad and the traps are plain and boring. I would rate this slightly above spiral and jigsaw, but that’s it
any discord servers to discuss SAW stuff for SAW fanatics, please?
Y’all are so stinkin cute!
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The review is live! I’ll be back here on Saturday after I’ve seen it
Definitely one of the best in the series and it felt more fleshed out forgive the pun and not just a cash grab before Halloween!
Hi guys! This was a fantastic Saw movie! One of the better ones for sure. YAY! John Kramer is my favorite part of the franchise so I loved all the screen time he had.
I bet. Definitely his film
Saw it (get it - SAW it…I’ll close my ipad now 😂) but i agree it didn’t add as much as it should and then i was irritated that he had the nerve to demand someone be sent to the hospital from what he caused lol. Some confusing lines. Shawnee’s fillers were distracting. Slower than the other movies but it has its place. On a side note when i was in residency on my oncology inpatient rotation I remember 2 patients who had terminal cancer, being admitted very very ill from the spread of their cancers. They had both done different “natural treatments” in mexico (2 different places actually) that had promised curative treatments with vitamins and avoiding chemotherapy It was very sad and frustrating at how they were duped…
Jesus. That’s horrible
Speaking of tv series, Jigsaw would be an antagonist killer in DEXTER.
They did my boy Dexter so dirty. 🔪
But jigsaw can’t be outsmarted. Unstoppable force meet unmovable object
The first Saw film is one of my all-time favorite horror films. The second one was okay, a one-time viewing was good enough for me. The third was not terrible, but not that good. The rest were absolutely terrible to me. My younger sister made me watch this and I didn’t want to watch it whatsoever and I was absolutely blown away by how great this film was. This is my second favorite film of the franchise behind the first one and my second favorite film of 2023 behind “Godzilla Minus One.” Just like how Roger Ebert would rate a film, both films I give 4/4 stars.
Glad you enjoyed it
Definitely one of the better saw movies, but that’s not saying much. I like saw as a whole, but only 1 and 2 are good to me, a few outliers in the series I find a bit better, but they generally get worse as they go on for me.
Definitely disagree but I’m glad you liked it
Totally hear you I’m a hardcore SAW fan. I grew to enjoy SAW X but man do I miss that connectivity the other films had. I am curious if your thoughts on the film have changed at all being 6 months later? I would like to also add this notion. With SAW XI coming it’s possible that connectivity could connect. Will it connect to the original set of films idk but it will definitely connect up to X since the movie left a few unanswered questions. When I saw the original 7 films back in the day I didn’t realize they connected up the way they do until I had all the puzzle pieces and binge watched them all straight up. Perhaps X and XI will do the same. Thoughts?
Unfortunately we won’t know until next year since it was delayed. But yeah, 10 and 11 will connect more like 1-7. That makes sense. It absolutely should
I'm a Saw fanatic to...and even went to Saw Mania Convention in 2008...and I didn't mind it being a one off Spin Off Side Story for John Kramer...the traps were good...not super impactful like the older ones...still good and better then Jigsaw and Spiral.
Definitely better than those
Im a fan , watched every sequel and spin offs. This was probably the lowest (excluding jigsaw and spiral) of the rankings. It felt long halfway through. The twists where not clever and it felt safe to me. The traps were awful imo, remove this and weigh this.The eyeball suction was was funny as hell. Dont get me started on how they implemented their first Radiation trap . How did the biggest culprit of this movie get the least gruesome and hard trap compared to the rest? Felt like a fanboy made this and the story felt boring for an arc of Jigsaw. The ending scene was soo not needed for his character or Amanda's , felt so tacky. Too many convenient plot holes and felt like a movie for Saw beginner's. Saw X and Jigsaw movies should have their names switched . This should have been called Jigsaw
I mostly agree
Enjoyed the film....but the 1st reveal (BF) could see a mile away. Also the fate of Doctor Mastermind of the Con, got off easy!
Definitely
I really enjoyed it, got a review up for it.
It's in my top 3. I actually prefer it over 6. The gore was the most intense of the franchise and made me feel for John so much. I just wish they would go harder on John being a hypocrite.
Edit: It's really interesting to hear someone say they loved how episodic the films became. I personally hated this, and I wish they gave at least 2 years between each to really flesh them out and not run off crazy with Hoffman. This isn't me having a bash - I genuinely enjoy hearing opposite opinions to mine.
Yup. I love that part most haha
Im going to see this tomorrow when I get off work I am soooo hype, life is sooo good. I'm wearing my pink cancer shirt to work tonight. For John!!! (Yes I realize it's for breast cancer).
Haha
I'm seeing it on Sunday getting my saw shirt tomorrow. Now I'm a really big fan of the Saw films 1-6 are my top favorites.. but James wan and Leigh did something very great and magical with the first one and that ending in the first one can never be beaten what I'm saying is I wish that the could have been more involved in the other ones but I know that had other things going on and let others get their shine. But regardless I already know I'm gonna satisfied with this film story seems straight forward traps looks violent and gory as all hell.
Part 1, part 2, and part 6 are DAMN good, and I enjoy them all. This one will be awesome.
I'm a big fan of the original franchise of 1-7. SAW each one the day they were released in theatres and bought the DVD for each the day they were released. I just can't get into these rebooted sequels, they just don't have that feel, at least for me, that the original 7 had. Maybe it's just a nostalgia thing for me, I don't know.
Nope. I’m the exact same way. The original 7 had a different feel and they can’t be recreated.
I feel like they need to fill a gap now with Amanda. We see her in this showing compassion and sympathy, whereas we all know she becomes colder than Jigsaw later and makes her traps unbeatable
She becomes jaded when she sees it doesn’t work
youre like the only person i found that thinks 4 and 6 are the best films lol. i can see why you wouldnt enjoy it too much
If you hang out in saw groups it is a common opinion
I totally can see your points. Awesome review as usual!
Thanks
As a massive Saw fan I did love & enjoyed this Saw movie, I do agree that this doesn't feel like the original 7 movies and it doesn't really feel like it connects with the original 7, I really did love John & Amanda's relationship in this one I think it has a more deeper connection to their relationship, I really loved that this movie is really all about John Kramer that this is his movie, I didn't really mind the traps I thought they were not that bad, I wasn't really high on this one and maybe it will grow on me too, my Saw Ranking now is
1. Saw
2. Saw II
3. Saw III
4. Saw V
5. Saw IV
6. Saw VI
7. Saw: The final chapter
8. Jigsaw
9. Saw X
10. Spiral: From the Book of Saw
Hoffman was in it… did you not stay for the post credits?
@@sinistercinemareviews5420 oh I'll see the end credits scene the next time I watch it I will be watching it again soon
I thought the movie was good I do wish jigsaw did less walking people through the traps though lol.
They need to know the rules. He wants them to win
As to Norway, that was the other doctor that she said could do it. There is loads in here but you missed chunks then.
Sure didn’t. Discussed it in full detail with another Saw freak like me. We can’t make it fit. Maybe on another watch, but we didn’t miss anything
Interesting. For us, it almost felt like Matt Reeves' 'The Batman' for the SAW series. I loved it (probably in my top four), but I don't think everyone else in the theater did. It'll be interesting to see how it holds up against 'The Exorcist' this weekend.
The exorcist should crush it financially
I'm one of the few who thought 'Halloween Ends' was a masterpiece, so I'm excited to see what DGG has come up with. But, ya know ... unlike SAW, the 'Exorcist' series is all over the place with continuity. It'll have to be something really special to succeed.
Jason, do you have a Saw franchise ranking video? PS I think a combo of recency bias (even unintentional) and the low quality of the LAST 3 films makes this one seem better than it is in the grand scheme of the series. I give you props for always being honest and never hesitating to go against popular opinion...kudos.
So excited the writers dropped out of 11!!
@@sinistercinemareviews5420 Oh that is a PLUS +
Thanks Kali, you scared the everlasting crap out of me lol.
Haha. She can be a spooky bean
I loved it.
You do like the writing that's it it's okay movie are you going to watch it again Jason
Eventually
seeing this tonight!!!
I still like Spiral regardless of what people thought about it
Good
I agree actually just got done watching the new saw and i was pretty let down this does not feel like a saw movie this is saw light compared to the main franchise. The gritty Aesthetic is gone the lingering dread is no longer there and the traps was lame the twists at the end very predictable. As a hardcore fan of the franchise continuity is completely lost here when you said that i was like yes my thoughts exactly. At this point just hand the franchise back to darren lynn yes spiral was mediocre but at least he know's what made the saw movies great in the first place and yes this works as a spinoff not a sequel.
People fucking love this one so this is the direction they’ll keep going in
@@sinistercinemareviews5420 Yeah man i hope they give us fans something better can't stand this hollow direction they are going with anyway appreciate your honesty it's why i'm subbed to this channel peace.
I have the same beard as this guy
So you have a beard…
“If you’re good at anticipating the human mind, it leaves nothing to chance.”
Brooooooo. This is not predictions. This is psychic abilities.
I agree with you for sure. Just can’t get enough of John, Amanda and Hoffman lines. I could say so many off the top of my head. Love this franchise.
Amanda hair is a wig looks real bad .
Kali loved it haha
“John Kramer Expose” 😂 I loved the film and I appreciate the review
Saw 4 is my favorite of the franchise
Haven't seen Saw X yet .
That’s a great one
People tend to normally dislike that one but for me I rank it in the middle of the saw franchise, it’s enjoyable and good but not the best and not bad
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She was excited…
Haven't aeen it yet and appreciate that you're saying you loved the episodic nature of the series...but the best movie didn't have or need that....Saw (2004) the one thing i wanted going into Saw two was to find out more about jigsaw, and that movie is very good at building up the intrigue. Obviously then we are fed info in flashbacks and a little in saw three, but i never really liked having to wait two movies to find out what was in jill's box etc, it got very soap opera and contrived and suddenly john seemed to be able to predict everything like a supervillian. I am hoping saw x will show a more human side to john and background on his motives. He is a great conplex and contradictory villan as it is, but he needs and deserves a proper story of his own... like it was planned with the movie the collector originally being about him and jill.
You’ll definitely prefer this one. I like the soap opera shit haha
I've been pretty meh to all of the sequels after the first three, but i mostly genuinely enjoyed this one.. maybe it's not EXACTLY what I wanted it to be, but it does have me wanting more. I'm also totally ok with it not trying to connect itself to a lot of the previous movies because I mean, let's face, it started getting ridiculous towards the end. Imo.
One of my biggest questions while watching it, was where the hell his wife was at during all of this?
Even part 6? I saw that in theaters alone, before a Halloween party I was going to, and I went as Pinhead (full makeup no mask) and was RAVING about it to EVERYONE back then. Even my dad said how Saw VI had some deep themes behind it.
Kevin’s last name is pronounced GROYT-ERT. I agree this is the best of the Goldfinger/Stolberg trilogy but it doesn’t live up to the hype of being the best sequel. Its in the middle of my ranking. I think Jigsaw has a better twist than this one but too many plot holes. The post credit was nice but I wish it wasn’t in the trailer. Now this might be considered a SPOILER to some so stop reading this if you haven’t seen the movie. Something the doctor said to Kramer sounded to me like a continuity error but maybe Im wrong and misunderstood her. She said, I believe, she knew before she performed the fake surgery on him that she was aware that he was the Jigsaw killer but nobody knew that until part 2. Am I wrong? I hope I am
No one knew until after 2, correct. This is definitely a continuity error. I mean unless she somehow figured out he was jigsaw. But I don’t see how. The jigsaw killer was known to people but not who he was till Eric Matthews and co figured it out.
Damn. I was hoping I was wrong. They should’ve explained how she knew. Hell why did she have to know at all? Didn’t seem necessary to the plot. Will you be doing a spoiler video?
As someone who loved the first two and just liked the rest, I think I will probably like this one a lot. We shall see....
Perfect
I enjoyed the moviemyself. I missed the mid/post credit scene because I really needed to use the restroom at the end. But I loved it. Easily top three.
Oh no! You missed it 😥
@@sinistercinemareviews5420 Yeah, but I kinda saw a still of it where John and Dec. Hoffman had the cancer support guy strung up. So I get the gist. I still say that it's top 3 for me though.
Retribution you mean!
He calls it a reawakening
@@sinistercinemareviews5420 he said it's not retribution, it's a reawakening! You said vengeance tho.
Cool, not seen it yet, will be seeing it soon. As for the Norway-elective surgery element, one of the actresses (who plays Pederson) is actually Norwegian - therefore, its a stretch, but maybe the character is Norwegian, maybe she was part of the team in Norway from Saw 6 that was now working in Mexico. Maybe this is that team in fact, I dunno. A case could be made, possibly. The idea of another unconnected movie as far as the series goes...ok, I can see how that would be disappointing, but I feel like the main series ended when everyone died basically. The timing of it, between Saw and Saw 2...you would expect some sort of continuity I suppose, but also it sounds like a very different situation for Kramer himself, so its like he needed to take care of this outside of what he was trying to achieve in the films in the series that link to each other, so in a way it makes sense that its a self contained story. The logic is there, but it does require a certain amount of work to get to it in ways that you didn't have to do in Saw 1-7. You have to invent some stuff in your own head, which means that this film may have different implications depending on how the viewer sees it, and it would have to be written pretty Goddamn well for it to achieve what its going for if that is the intention. It sounds like its debateable whether the writing is that good here, but I will still give it a look. Cool review as always, guys. :o)
No. Not possible. This is an illegal treatment that no one can know about and John has to pay with wire transfers. No way he tried to get his insurance to cover it.
@@sinistercinemareviews5420 Ahhh, ok. Sounds like they took the idea that was brought up in 6 and went a different direction with it then. Fair dos. :o)
I love the Saw franchise and will probably still like it but...if you can without spoilers.. does the end feel like it would lead into number 2 ?
Eh. Not really
@@sinistercinemareviews5420 oh gotcha... I did see there is a post credit scene that sets up maybe another film
I enjoyed this one a lot
I could see this one being called Saw: John Kramer
Pretty much
I honestly didn’t really like this movie. I am a HUGE Saw fan, I love all of them except Spiral but this one was missing the cruel mean spiritedness of the other entries. I was bored in the beginning and I felt the film didn’t pick up until the traps started happening. I was not a fan of the ending, especially with the child and how they walk off into the yellow sunset. Amanda and John are vicious mean people and I didn’t buy them being hero’s.
It is definitely missing something
How can saw #1 not be everyone's favorite? Lol then saw 2 was amazing. The rest are up to interpretation except jigsaw and spiral.
Because people have their own opinion. Weird concept to you I’m sure but it’s true!
So.... I want to watch a review that has no spoilers for Saw X. Clicked on your channel because I do like your reviews. But... a 22 minute review?!!?!?! You think it's spoiler free?!?!?!?!? I wish you both the best in life. But I'm done with RUclips reviews.
Go else where if u don’t want spoilers
Oh get over it
There isn’t spoilers. But ok. Have a good life
Lol wtf
So in other words this is yet another tacked on Saw movie and cash grab. Sounds really disappointing.
its really not. Stand alone movie doesnt mean “tacked on”. You can tell it was made with passion and it works well within the series. The story itself is great and I personally live the change in direction. I’d give it a watch before judging. Again, I say it with my chest that this does not come off as a cash grab unlike Jigsaw. There’s a lot more emotion and investment into the main characters. I personally loved it and so do many other Saw fans. This dude just has very different expectations for it to follow the same formula. It does have its issues, but its top 3 for me.
I definitely wouldn’t say cash grab. I do think they tried here. But it’s like this guy said, I have different desires for a saw film and I admit my bias and hypocrisy haha
No way
No Saw movie will feel like the older ones. That's definitely a time thing that cant be undone regardless of how much it connects. I liked the movie overall and there was even a couple really emotional scenes to me, but i wish the twist was more epic.
Definitely
Maybe I misunderstood your confusion about the Norway thing but I thought he was part of it. I remember wondering about that until the mid credits scene where we saw his scar was fake.
He consults William in part 6 trying to get approval for the treatment in Norway. This film shows that he never was going to Norway so that scene makes no sense now
Although I really enjoy the movies I am not like the biggest Saw fan. However, James Wan & Leigh Whannel are two of my all time favorite writers and directors. And being that I love yalls reviews so much I was not surprised when you talked about how you enjoyed the way they write as well. ☺️🪚🖤
They are masters.