Shirley Phelps 'Evil Angel' | Louis Theroux | BBC Studios
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Contains language and opinions which some may find offensive. Louis talks to Shirley Phelps, a pastor's daughter who has very extreme religious convictions. Clip taken from BBC documentary Louis Theroux: The Most Hated Family in America. Watch more high quality videos on the new BBC Worldwide RUclips channel here: / bbcworldwide
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It’s must be exhausting to have that much hate in ones heart.
thats why they are always smiling, they will always be in pain because deep down they know what they are doing is wrong
Red State with John Goodman.
Exactly what was I was thinking. When she starts talking her face changes, full of pure hate. Disgusting.
Oh shut up
@@samson5791 what’s wrong with you?
What I love about Louis is he just asks questions that seem innocent, but get to the route of somebody's belief system. He never passes judgement verbally, but allows the speaker to talk themselves through their own belief, in this case hanging themselves with their words. Louis conducts interviews very similarly to the Socratic method.
As Napoleon Bonaparte said: "Never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake."
If some idiot like Martin Bashir had conducted this interview he'd interrupt every 3 seconds and we'd never get to hear this woman make a fool of herself.
I've always said this. Hes not threatening whatsoever and ppl let their guard down and dig their own grave !
*root
Explain the Socratic method please Gandhi
@@Barkmann94 yes please
I swear Louie had a role in saving that daughter from her mother/family.
Probably. She herself admitted that she changed her mind after her multiple online Twitter debates. The exposure to multiple point of views actually helped her see the truth. Louis is such an exposure.
Shirley lost Megan and Grace. No sympathy whatsoever. Shirkey gloats and laughs when other mothers lose their babies to cancer, or fires, or wars. She celebrates it as Gods judgement. Karma is a bitch.
ThePlataf I agree, but seeing her experience that karma did make me feel for her. It is Karma coming back to bite, she is a broken woman in the most recent documentary.
100%
That woman is saving her children from this world and all his evil.
It’s amazing how her religion brings so much joy and love into her life.
Hahahahahaha!!!
She certainly seems to be a smiley ass mf 😂
Lol!!!
LOL IKR! You can really tell in the 3rd and last documentary Louis did on WBC after this one called "Surviving America's Most Hated Family" that released in July 2019. Boy dose it seem like her beliefs and Church have given her a very happy life....
Its a little scary to see an adult woman act like this.
you gotta feel sorry for kids born into that family!
looking at their eyes and foreheads and hair would suggest inbreeding
statistically, at least one of all those kids has to be possibly gay. bless that child's heart.
Why actually? Their parents are all lawyers, so they were pretty well off, no alcoholism, no stds early on. And once they leave they are media heros having fled from indoctrination.. and they easily can make a dime off of that...
Also it's interesting for party small talk.
I've grown up in a loony cult myself, and it was very instructive.
Any kid losing their parents at a really age or having alcoholics as parents could have it far worse.
Histo Logie Nice whataboutism, money does not automatically equal happiness. These kids have zero freedom outside of religion. Being raised in a cult and having alcoholic parents are both bad ways to grow up.
@@histologie4140 "Any kid losing their parents at a really age or having alcoholics as parents could have it far worse"
Surely such a comparison is simply a game of one upmanship. We can always find worse injustices but to say such things discount a lesser injustice is simply dismissing the issue.
It's like saying you shouldn't feel any sympathy for someone getting robbed because another person got murdered.
"You think our job is to win souls to Christ." Yeah, that's like the whole point.
When I heard that im like yes thats exactly what your supposed to do🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Yeah I mean, if they think all other people are already doomed, and they don't want to win them over, why don't they just stay home?
It isn’t the point for hardcore Calvinists
No, that's not their job. Whether people like it or not, the WBC is carrying the words in the bible exactly as they are stated.
But it's actually to point out how evil everyone is while at the same time highlighting how perfect they are.
"I thought God didn't do evil" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm dying. Way to call 'em out, bro!!!
The way she just sighs in exasperation like, "You've got a lot to learn kid. God hates gays, Jews, and the Swedish."
That's not the same thing at all, and in any case isn't the argument she's making; if you watched the rest of this doc and other features on them you'd know this. Her church has perverted the (already pretty screwy) theology of the Bible and he's absolutely calling it out.
Not taking her side, but for the sake of argument, why did he create hell?
But god does create evil, it's even in the bible
I love it when she says it's perverted to have sex outside of marriage, when her first born is illegitimate, and not sired by her husband.
WHY are these loons so obsessed with the sex lives of other people?
Exactly
Ah but did she take it up the tailpipe?
She changed.
Because they are sexually repressed.
Projecting most of the time
Love how she tried to tenuously connect one of the 10 commandments to homosexuality. It was so thoroughly unconvincing that she basically did Louis job for him.
it does contradict the ten commandments and many other commandments...as God is the one who makes Law and that is how he is Worshipped, not by men legalizing all abominations, perversions, oppression, harmful relations and depravity.
The Law of Moses did not just contain 10 commandments. There were hundreds. Here's one:
*“Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."* (Leviticus 18:22).
Of course, Christians are not under the Law of Moses but God's ways do not change. Hence, we have the command to Christians:
*"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men... will inherit the kingdom of God."* (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).
@@ElectricEarth Quoting bible verses as part of the Commandments given to Moses by God, is honestly the most laughable thing I have ever seen... Also, there are thousands of things that are prohibited in the Old Testament that we disregard today. So what makes the issue of homosexuality that much more important than other orders given by God. Like not being able to wear two differing types of cloth...
@@rmx6737 There were about 613 commandments that made up the Mosaic Law. There were 10 basic commandments. Some Laws are not applicable because they were unique to the environment in which the Jews llived (such as prohibition of shellfish and pork as food). We are not under the Law of Moses, we are under the Law of Christ but there are similarities. You should read what he taught and what the Apostles were inspired to write. Then obey it.
@@ElectricEarth How is the dietary prohibition unique to the Jews' environment? And what is the difference between the 'Law of Moses' and the 'Law of Christ'?
I’m anti war and anti military myself, but that doesn’t give me the right to go to someone’s funeral and disrespect ppl’s deceased loved ones.
You don’t do that! Smh
Very True! It's not right.
Jesus Christ would've called them hypocrites, and pharishees.
They even picket at children's funerals. It's vile.
Yes it does.
Yeah…. That part left me feeling uneasy.
My God, she is offensive. It's amazing that someone flying under the banner of "good" can go so far as to actually be evil.
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
@@AvatarOfBhaal OOOoo, tou che
@@AvatarOfBhaal that's good, I like that one
shes a lawyer? epic fail
The irony is that she's a civil rights lawyer and her father was a civil rights lawyer who would tackle trials that could get him lynched.
Man i love these ancient comments. EPIC FAIL lol i have not heard that in ages
@MrJobofo Yeah dude
I grew up in Topeka, where they are based. Fred Phelps was a lawyer involved in many civil rights cases. He actually did a lot of good there. Ironic, isn't it? Grace, Megan and Zacharias Phelps-Roper have all left the church. I remember them standing at 21st and Gage picketing, or picketing various restaurants for having employees that WBC thought might be part of the LGBTQ community. Disgraceful.
She's a lawyer? Epic fail
2:00 "This is GAYbriel"
Yes, I would have lost it right then and there had I been the reporter!
Damn I just posted the same comment.
Although I figured I couldn't be the only one to pick up in the kids name.
@@aberamagold7509 😂😂 i've just done the same
Making fun of children great job there pal
LMFAO
this is really creepy O.o
you can totally see how uncomfortable he feels with them...
2:31 that smile says it all. There is no empathy behind those eyes for people with differing opinions
“Taken it up the tail hole”
That’s a euphemism and I’m gonna use that to flirt now. Thank you you flirt queen
SP
Who’s gonna tell him how gay sex works
LMFAODSOS
I believe she said "tail-pipe" .....
@@Moamanly she did
I found that part quite funny 🤣
She actually enjoys inturupting a funeral of a young man who died protecting everything she depends on whilst knowing nothing about his religious background.. Evil witch is only name I describe
She's like a one-woman Monty Python sketch. There was actually a sequel to this doc. Louis went back a few years later. The great founding patriarch had died and ya girl here, mother Phelps was a much sadder woman; still beating her drum of hate, but several of her adult children had been lost to her by leaving the cult. It was one of his most interesting exposés.
Yes, I saw that. Shirley, who openly gloats when other people's children are murdered or die of horrible diseases , has lost 4 of hers, but they're still alive and thriving. Such is her devotion to this insane cult that she cannot allow herself to have any communication with them, or to meet her grandchildren.
Is this on RUclips?
@@vegaoksana No that one is harder to find sadly. It's called "Surviving America's Most Hated Family". I tried to find it but ended up having to... "sail the high seas"
I'm actually surprised at how much this woman tolerated for such a hateful person. Louis was throwing her the usual questions that would easily offend these maniacs. Even Fred resorted to try and cut his interview short with Louis.
At the time, Shirley was like the PR person of the WBC, she appeared on many shows like Howard Stern or Tyra Banks so she likely has been asked a lot worse but probably has to answer every question that gets asked so it doesn’t seem like she’s dodging. Fred is the leader and so he doesn’t feel like he has to when he has Shirley to do the interviews for him. Fred was also very old when this was shot.
“Judge not lest ye be judged”
This fits these people perfectly
Such irony
You are judging them by saying that. We are all judged and we all judge by necessity...and God in fact commands us to judge people, actions and relationships by God's laws...God didn't command us to submit to straying desires, societal misguided fashions and just integrate with a corrupt society. The prophets were sent to change people's beliefs, actions and relationships...not to fit in with the corruption. 'Judge not lest you be judged' is not an absolute....rather it falls into the general by which the specific is intended/applied. Society needs law and order and thus disputes are settled by judgement as are infringements of the law. If you strip away Divine Law...then society still needs organization, limits and laws...so then it will turn into man-made law and people will still be judged by it, as they are. But this is related to the deviation of Paul who told people to abandon Divine Law (contrary to the command of Jesus who commanded people to obey it, but even Paul clearly opposed homosexuality) and yet submit to the laws of the Roman polytheist occupiers! Utterly ridiculous and a clear violation of monotheism, prophetic message and Scripture.
Usually the case. People like this bring others down to feel higher I'm sure.
That being said, am I doing the same thing by saying this?
Everyone uses this scripture incorrectly.
It sounds simple but it actually has a serious legal connotation connection the manners of judgement. We are to judge in accordance with moral principles, Christian moral principles or bluntly God's principles and not judge by our subjective standards.
Read closer into this and you'll find Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for making their own additions to God's laws whilst dismissing others entirely. Read closer. There is a right way and a wrong way and that also concerns own's position. Certain judgments are only given to be made by certain persons by authority, not everyone can just judge. Everything lies in the detail.
"He among you who is without sin, let him cast the first stone" is another good one.
Grace eventually left the church.
One of the sons did too...
Megan, Grace and Zach have all left the church. 20 members have left since 2004, I believe. Could be wrong though. Might be more by now.
@@mariahclaar7915 Josh also left the church.
Read "unfollow". The biography of Megan Phelps-Roper. Just finished it...an eye opener...
Lindie Theunissen I agree it’s a great read. I appreciate how Megan owned the truth without trashing her family.
Shirley Phelps never disappoints. Her every utterance is gold.
I like Louis Theroux. He speaks with those people that preach hate in the name of God.... mindblowing...and he keeps calm and does his job proffesionally and witty. I really enjoy watching him. Very interesting
Always to Christians though... Never seen him hang with a Muslim family and constantly challenge their beliefs.
@jackbrown4120
Well he's gone to extreme jews before so I wouldn't say it's because he's too PC. There's also plenty of programmes on extreme muslim families.
I see they’re driving a Honda, a company which as been vocal about LGBT support several times. Wonder if they’d continue driving that if they knew...
Honda and other corporates are only 'vocal' in countries where it's legal. In China, Russia, the Middle East etc... They don't advocate anything
Their in america 😂😂😂@@NairAthul
I love how she gets all angry and starts shouting whenever Louis brings up an absurdness in her belief.
Regardless of my thoughts on the issue, I'm a firm believer in the right to one's own beliefs and opinion, her method however cannot be justified. If someone attended your loved ones funeral with no other objective than to say they deserved to die for x, y and z, would you not be angry or hurt? Is she not spreading her beliefs at others' expense and peril? That alone justifies "discrediting the messenger".
J Kasule I punch her straight in her evil face if it was my family funeral horrible woman deserves to be locked up
She is pastor Phelps daughter, How does she never think "maybe my dad is a lunatic?" Like how has that never crossed her mind.
What were the names of the kids again? Gaybriel and Gayce?
😂😂😂
To him it reads "God hates cigarettes" 0:30
Not gonna lie Im British and when I first read it I thought that
Would you cigarettes shut up? Jeez
Francis McDermott would be the perfect actress to play her in a movie!
I can see Jane Lynch too
Isnt it frances mcdormand? Let me google...
Jane seems the better choice considering their personality.
Wait so if the goal isn't to convert people into believing their message what is their goal?
Insulting people.
Just to simply warn people that their sin is taking them to hell, according to them.
@@TheGreekPianist They should have just done a letter drop and taken the rest of their lives off.
Alienate wider society so as to isolate their own members, thus making them easier to control. Standard cult tactic really.
To offend everyone as much as possible and the gaslight them into thinking they just aren’t understanding the word of God
Jesus christ, I congratuate Louis for having the patience to talk and listen to these people; trying to make a valid point to them is like driving in circles in a roundabout and never getting off at any of the turns.
It doesn't matter what religion you follow or who you are. You pay your god damn respect to the dead. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour
Hating is not what loving people do
I think this woman confused Satan's role with God's....I mean, did they miss the entire New Testament about loving your neighbor (Good Samaritan in particular with the "one who showed mercy" to his enemy), humbling yourself, a meek and gentle spirit, esteeming others as better than yourself, ANY of the fruits of the Spirit, having a GENTLE and RESPECTFUL answer prepared to those who ask about the hope we have...? (Oh wait, they don't have any hope in their message. Never mind then.) Are these reverse-Marcionists??
It's like they skipped anything Jesus ever said and took all the hate elements from the bible especially from the old testament and twisted all that as their hateful messagw. God is Love and Jesus told love everyone despite are they sinners or not and we all sin once in a while. Christianity is all about love and forgiveness.
It's all bollox anyway
They're like the opposite of most other Christians. They ignore the second half of the book. Hey look, this book has all the answers. Just don't read that bit!
Louis. I love you man. "The church has taken its message of God's hate.." This is amazing.
I'm no christian, and the Westboro churchees seem like crazies, but they kept saying america is a doomed nation. 20 yrs later, and they were absolutely right. Something to think about
Mr Trump is gonna save us all...
@@joejacobs3537 yes but in regards to what this woman was talking about - all these gender benders walking around, she was spot on. Trump can't save you from that, it's too late.
@@joejacobs3537you're acting like trump is god himself that's scary
@@imanorangemoon If you were any kind of intellectual,you would see I was referencing a country song by Alabama...I don't much care for the views of Atheists
0:34 When she said 'Taking it up the tailpipe' I spat out my coffee 🤣🤣🤣
im a gay guy and I laughed .hehe,
thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"
Can you imagine these people being your parents? What a nightmare...
Sadly people do live with people like this
I wouldn't be surprised if them kids turned out to be extremely mentally disturbed and ending up killing themselves or something
So sad. So much time and energy spreading hate. And they wonder why the country is a mess!
like shirley's hair. conditioner.
Actually its a positive sign that radical people like this exist. It shows 1) society is very tolerant 2) this family are seen as completely crazy which means most people are rational and compassionate
Imagine being this concerned about other people.
I feel so sorry for those kids :(
It amazes me how right she thinks she is.
louis theroux, what a legend
I’ve always wished she would turn around- without this stuff, Shirley is confident, charismatic (not her words because of the vile things she says), an educated lawyer and all her children, the ones that have left still say she was a great mom.
When she and her daughters were at a college singing their redone Lady Gaga song, she just owned the ridiculous lyrics, her daughters followed her confidence and you find your self almost laughing at such horrific lyrics. I can’t imagine how unstoppable she would have been in the real world.
Shirley is not innocent. She had a choice. 😊
"And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."
Mark- 12:31
Bruh, if they showed up at one of my family members funeral they better start running, because if they don’t, my family member isn’t the only one getting buried that day.
Honestly, same. You don't disrespect my loved ones, especially the dead, and expect me to show mercy
Oh no we got a couple of tough guys here
@@ghengiskhan9308 Are you the emperor of Mongolia?
God is love, God is kind, God is hope. They are hateful. They are cruel. They are lost. Listen to how she and the rest speak. Anger and hate in every word.
Maybe you need to read a bible. Their religion is a much truer reflection of God's will than most Christian denominations.
Imagine her being your lawyer, yes your honour, my client is guilty, you are also guilty, everyone in this court room is going to burn *cackles*
Watching Louis run intellectual rings around these people is absolutely majestic.
I wish Fred Phelps would have just came out of the closet before he died.
Yeah that's my thinking as well. With that much hatred he had to have been dealing with some homosexual feelings of his own.
Apparently. Dorothy lived in Kansas? Jeesh!
like the bloke in American Beauty!
You think he was blow jobbing on the side?
There is no way this woman should have custody of children.
Rather, the evil state shouldn't have custody over children...the man-made law celebrates mass-murdering unborn children and turning them into transgender etc...maybe you shouldn't have custody of children, you sure you are doing good for them? Based on what?
I so wish that Borat was doing this interview.
Oh fuck yes either that or Ali G
They the same dude anyway
That lady sucks. Amazing how someone can care so much about what other people do with their own lives.
Omg I was raised this way for so long. These people are horrible.
That staff Sargeant was fighting for you overseas lady
He was fighting for a depraved nation
Brave man.
Poor kids having to grow up in that hateful mess.
Megan left the church and so have some other people.
They are in a better position than those children left to the corrupt pollution of the media and evil education of STate schools etc.
Poor kids waiting to be groomed by you, most likely.
No person has a right to judge anyone or speak on behalf of all Christians ❤️God is love.
These lot are the least Christian people I've ever seen.
Wrong, God commanded people to judge actions, beliefs, people and relationships by his laws. And it isn't about speaking for Christians it is about speaking truth, judging with justice and submitting all opinions on all matters to Divine Law. Man-made law, man-made philosophy, ideology and culture is the root of all evil and oppression in the world. God doesn't love everyone, he hates most people because of their disbelief, polytheism, atheism, sins, corruption etc...And God commanded us to love and hate based on his criteria, laws and guidance...not our own emotions and opinions wrongly adopted from a corrupt government, society, media and mis-education system.
Anyone that says God is love has not read the bible. Do you say that an abusive parent is love also?
If they’re job isn’t to win over and “save” people then why don’t they just leave everyone else alone?
And I thought being a closeted lesbian growing up Catholic was bad...
I never come under the umbrella...always over
LMAO THE WAY HE CALLED HER OUT
Whenever I'm having a good day, I like to totally ruin it by coming back to remember these people existed.
“If you see a nation or a people who have risen up with one voice to say that it’s OK to be gay, you are looking at a doomed people”
True words.
Thank goodness Shirley sees things differently now. I hope she one day finds peace too
Those poor kids
Based, I wish this church was in my country.
Everyone in the family sounds the same when they speak in this doc, but Megan sounds so different now that she's no longer in the church. I think that they're very deeply indoctrinated, so much that it destroys all sense of self.
Gotta love Louis !!! 💕
Good Grief!
1:19 if it’s okay to be gay then it’s not a sin
That boy at 2:02 looks like his soul has left his body.
Shame there is no such thing as a soul
God bless Louis
I love that her son's name is Gay-briel 🤣
"The fanatic is always harbouring a doubt" George smilley.
"Yeah but it wasn't a big thing for Jesus. He had other priorities."
LOL. Louis is hilarious.
‘And God hates you’ she says with a smile . Smh
she's wrong. everyone is a sinner. god loves everyone but hates some of the things we do (the sinning)
damn false teachers i hope god saves them too
did you just reply to your own comment?
Kaleb Malanin Jesus made a new man (or people) out of two peoples, the jews and the gentiles.
in a way, christians are the true jews, for not all born of israel are israel. i like you comment though, thanks
Lies.
This is literally preacher mode 24/7.
How much you wanna bet those shirts they're wearing are a mixture of materials?
I friggin’ love you Louie!
How can this women be a lawyer surely she has a slightly less than impartial approach to her work.
Shierly Phelps is wrong especially disrespecting the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Pushing your opinions on others...at funerals? That's just not okay, AT all. This lot is whole nother' level of messed up.
As a combat vet myself, its 100% their right to say and exercise the 1A. What they say is messed up, but ince you target certain speech, all our speech gets stripped down
What a miserable human being. She hates herself, her life, and every one else.
No, she exerts power and control over her family and her sect by that hatred
She's not acting like a true Christian in a she's being a hypocrite.
How a person like that is able to graduate and be a lawyer?
They all went to Washburne University Law School a tiny private one in Kansas that admits you if you have the money to pay, then they all join the same law firm “Phelps Chartered” started by “church” pastor Fred Phelps who was permanently disbarred in 1989 for committing felony perjury. Right after that he took his family church out to start picketing gay people. They ran to torment Matthew Shepards family after his murder. Deplorable souls
how does he stay so cool I love louie!!!!
I absolutely adore LT
I’ll never look at the Phelps family the same again after hearing about the horrendous physical abuse done by Fred Phelps Sr.
Okay, I’m a religious person but these folks are just way over the top!
Someone like you a 'religious person' might seem over the top to me, someone who is not.
Those poor kids. I hope that they woke up and escaped. I feel so bad for whatever happened to Shirley to make her be this way. It's so sad.
Shirley had 11 children. 5 of whom left WBC. (Josh, Zach, Megan, Grace and Noah) Noah sadly took his own life last year. He briefly features in this documentary
0:36 i’m sorry i’m gay and i laughed so hard
Dam you and your tailpipe 😂
Shirley was more willing to talk to Louis than Gramps was.
Why are they so concerned about what happens in the bedroom?
Pervs
She's absolutely SCARY !!!!