Downspout Drain Pipe - Do's and Don't's
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I don’t even own a house or need to assemble a drainage, I just find ur voice calming lol so I ended up watching the whole thing
Great videos. The vertical drainage approach helped a lot of the side of my home
Finally a great video instruction on how to properly install downspouts
The nicest guy on the internet
Planning on adding a drain system to my backyard and this was very useful information! And the positivity at the end, thank you!
Thank you for listing out the materials with their proper names DURING the video. Much easier to understand vs. listing everything in the video details.
Just wanted to stop by and say thanks Chuck - your videos are very helpful. I had this exact problem and I was installing a French drain to fix the drainage problem. When I was putting it back together I watched this video and realized the root cause of my damp basement was actually the downspout, which was installed just like in your guide here. It was a quick fix to replace the NDS catch basin with a Y.
Good video. I would recommend using long sweep 90's or two 45's in a buried line. If you have to snake it, it will be much easier with the more gradual bend.
Wish we were in the same state, I'd hire you in heartbeat! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!! I now have the confidence to try to fix my drainage problem.
Chuck is a good dude does lots of good work. I own properties and grew up in my dad's company laying sewer/water lines , I do this type because I like too and saves money .First you need another 90 to the catch basin ,now why this can be a good option is if you have trees around the house. If so the gutters will get full and spill over at the down spout BUT if you have a catch basin there it will collect a BIG chunk of the rain keep your basement dry .
Ohhhh.... I worked in a hardware store before and never knew what a cleanout assembly was used for (of course I knew where it was in our store and could direct a customer asking for one to it). Now I know. 👍
Best drainage channel on youtube !!!
Wow, I was going to make that exact mistake. THANK YOU! You saved me a lot of headaches!
same
This was awesome advice. I design high performance homes and I thought this was quite informative for both standard and high perforamnce homes.
Oh my..now I think I need a septic guy,this house says the sewer line coming out is at a huge bush!! Learn so much! Thanks you!
Thank you for sharing! Have a new home and was about to install four catch basins and piping (one on each corner of the house) but this solution deals better with the heavier rains we get.
Just replaced a sewer pipe that had a bush growing through it. It busted the pipe into little pieces. The pipe three feet in either direction was still solid. So chuck isn't lying about roots lol.
Thanks for the cleanout tip!
Great job! You’re very good at thoroughly explaining step by step and NOT doing random finger pointing, then edit the video, more finger pointing and voila job done! 👍
Thanks for the tip! I just dug a hole to install a catch basin like this. Back to the drawing board!
It's fine, don't undo yourwork. I have never once had an issue with the catch basin in this video.....the problem I see in the video is the basin is too close to the end of the downspout, which is why it splashes so much.
In the northeast it is common to use a T as a freeze stop, instead of a Y as a clean out. Works well especially for sum pumps as long as there is a foot above the ground/ snow. Sumps do run in the north east in the dead of winter sometimes and it covers your butt in stead of frozen discharge back flowing into your basement
Thank you!
Your so kind to share your knowledge. I would love to play some Gutiar with you.
Did anyone else notice the spout move at :33? Had to rewind to make sure I saw that right, lol. Thank you for your videos.
Thank you so much for sharing this information.
Chuck hope you are well! Cheers!
Hey Chuck I love your videos! Very interesting to see how differently people do things in different areas. Here in Atlanta and surrounding areas we never use PVC drain lines. We like to use downspout to 4” corrugated adapters and go straight into an n12 adapter with a small section of 4” corrugated. Either wye with clean out, straight coupler, or 45 depending on the situation. Then 6” (or bigger depending on expected flow) N12 smooth interior wall pipe for everything after. We step up progressively as more downspouts or catch basin lines are added in. Works great for us no complaints ever and we have been doing this way for many many years. What are your thoughts on this? Why do you like PVC better? Would love to hear your opinion on PVC vs N12
chuck, do you think ezdrain works well in heavy clay soil in Houston, TX?
Do you think adding a catch basin after the Y may be a feet further along the line will help with preventing leave’s clogging the system? Easier to clean?
Will your Atlanta location be able to service in Birmingham, AL? It's about a 2 hour drive... We really need some help in our yard. Major water problems. We have existing french drains from previous owners, but they are not working.
Glad I found your videos :)
Thanks Again
great video can we see how you set up the discharge end ?
I live in NE Pa., do i have to go below the frost line with my trench, or will moving water allow me to not go as deep?
I am going to be doing this come summer this year. I will be putting eaves trough on my house and my neighbor is doing the same. I wanted to install a catch basin under the downspout like first shown in the video so I have an easier way to clean out if need be but the only ones available are the 12x12 for $60. I will be finishing the side of my house walkway with concrete. Would you still recommend hard piping with pvc pipe? In between the houses I will have a center line where the french drain is that will remain gravel so any other water can get into the pipe and be discharged through a curb hole I will be doing. Any thoughts?
Great vid
Hello. Thank you for your video! I want to put this PVC on my 4" round downspout. I was going to hook up a FLEX-Drain 4-in x 25-ft 70-PSI Corrugated Solid Pipe (from Lowes) to it. I thought that would be easier to work with for me than a pvc pipe. My question is, is that as good as PVC and next question is what do I put on end of the pipe? I have no where to run it to without digging into a gravel driveway (which would be very hard for me). Thank you for all your wonderful videos!
Just love your videos. Thanks!
Thanks for the video. What if you just had the downspout go right into the catch basin at a 90° angle by cutting hole in the catch basin grate, would that work? It is right by my front door and I want it to look clean and not junky with downspouts going into non matching color, round, larger thick pipe.
I appreciate this video ! Great info
what about up north? should there be some kind of air gap so the pipes don't freeze? i was told this but not sure how to resolve it
great video. You mentioned that the pipe might freeze. I live in Vancouver Canada where the temperature can get below 0 in the winter. Would you recommend installing a drain pipe? I am concern that water might back all the up the downspout and into my gutter once the drain pipe freezes.
Hi Chuck, thank you again for your videos, wish I had known about you when I lived in Orlando! Our home was in East Orlando/Waterford Lakes and then Wedgefield, am now in the Tampa Bay area. I have somewhat of a dumb question but want to make sure before I get to work, are you demonstrating in this particular scenario, where a crawl space is present, this type of drainage is recommended versus a catch basin? I went to Lowe's, list in hand and a very confident attitude, lol and purchased the items you've recommended in other videos, ours is a block home and no crawl space, am I okay with a catch basin instead of this? Also, I've seen in other videos a pop up end recommended to avoid rodents or critters, do you agree? I'm always concerned about the water draining too, any advise from you comes greatly appreciated! God bless.
Is it worth using a long turn 90 degree elbow instead of the shorter one at downspout-to-drain-pipe, so you get more speed? I'm running triple wall pipe (not pvc) under a walkway so it's buried too deep for water to come up at the other end at a pop-up emitter (so the pipe will have to be a french drain before the pop-up). The yard has a decent gradual slope so water flows okay, but wondered if the long turn elbow might help overall. Then again, the longer elbow might complicate installation?
Simple. Have the downspout discharge 3 ft. from the house and elbow perpendicular to the downspout directly into a catch basin. That's what I did ; and it works perfectly.
Exactly what I needed to see. Thanks! I need to drain rain water away from house and dump in canal. Thinking to use a couple of 45s at the end to get up and over the retaining wall and maybe leave some water in there to prevent rodents.
Lou ... a drain that doesn't fully empty will clog with debris at the lowest point. If you need to keep critters out then make up a screen that is easily removable for cleaning. The other alternative is a flap on a hinge so moving water will open it and gravity will close it when the water stops flowing.
Any thoughts about installing the basin after the PVC 90? So run the downspout underground, into the basin from the side, then run the actual drain out the opposing side. That seems like it would catch the debris, not have splashing, and keep the line spotless.
I have a 4 inch round downspout from a 6 1/2 inch half round gutter on my pole barn. What kind of pipe should I run that into?
Chuck advice please. I ran two downspouts into a 50 foot run. One joins underground to a 6 inch catch basin that was in a low spot and then the catch basic connects to the main line. Problem - I live in FL. With a heavy rain, the 4 inch pipe I put in for the system is taken to max capacity and the catch basin overflows. If I had to do it again I would do 6 inch ( pay attention DIYers!). Why am I worried. This low spot is outside my garage where the suicide vents are at ground level so I am worried the garage will flood. Will a bigger catch basin help me or do I need to dig up the whole enchilada and use 6 inch instead.HELP!!
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The up north part is because we will pray their is a gap we can pack road salt into under the cap before pouring road salt from the top in the lining the Frozen gutters with pantyhose and road salt. Liked the solutions to the drainage 👍.
This only works in warm climate. For winter folk, never direct pipe. You must have an air space gap for freezing, expansion and contraction. Your french drain should also use at least 1 inch screen aggregate as well as geotextile cloth
My system is like that. Its worked fine for over 25 years. And that's not a french drain.
Will this freeze and back up in the winter?
If you put a grate on the discharge, won't the whole line get backed up with leaves? Also, I'd think a sweep elbow with a more gradual bend would be more important for keeping the line clog-free.
Thank you for this!!!
Question was this 4 inch fittings or 3 inch?
I just recently installed this but I doubled up one on front of the other so it has two to catch instead of one is that okay
I agree.. except under certain circumstances, like mine... i have inclined drive that brings more water to the garage then jist off the roof... the basin not only catches the roof but the excess water from the drive. If it were not for that i would have gone with the all pvc pipe like in the video.
How far does the pvc pipe going to a canal? Is there no need for a catch basin then?
I wish you was in Missouri. I have been fighting water issues. I installed two sump pumps. House is dry. But my 600 feet of French drains failed after about 12 years. I may have to rent a excavator again.
Do you guys have office in Baltimore, Maryland
Do I need to put pvc cement?
Why would one use a short 90 to turn the flow vs a sweep 90, especially below a cleanout?
Nice video but the upward discharge would not be good I would think, you want the water to leave the pipe, was there no easy way to discharge and if not would you not have it discharge in a larger catch basin ?
We have a huge drainage problem in our house. Do you have offices in the Tampa area? How can we contact your company?
Since we moved here we had problems, but now it seems like we live in a swamp when it rains. We are and older couple and we need help, if you do not serve this area, can you recommend an honest contractor?
was a down angle into the box not an option ?
Getting ready to install a new drain and I appreciate your informative videos Chuck. Can you, should you, drill a hole in the terminal elbow, under the discharge grate, to allow water to drain out of the line? Seems like an ideal mosquito habitat . . .
Yes, some brands already have a weep hole or slot at the discharge elbow, usually if paired with a pop-up, NDS being one. Otherwise, just drill a 3/8s” hole at the front bottom of the elbow.
I’m a newbie on assembling PVC components. Do you have a video on the assembly process for this configuration?
All you need is a hacksaw and PVC glue. You can cut the pipe into small pieces whatever length you need. It all just slips together. Use a knife and/or sandpaper to remove burrs caused by sawing. Dry fit it together to check if it looks OK, then pull back apart, and glue each connection one by one. There's a swab inside the can of glue. Swab the female socket, then the male pipe, insert and twist about 1/4 turn. The glue will set up quickly. Proceed to the next connection and repeat.
Great video Chuck. I want to burry my downspout under the sidewalk that runs adjacent to foundation. Can I have the discharge come out somewhere in the lawn?
You can have the pop-up or discharge anywhere you want. I will be having mine done soon and I was intending to discharge the front spout in the middle of the front lawn. That's about the only place where potential root infiltration is less.
Hi Chuck, I think aesthetically the elbow looks a problem for me personally, so I boxed up and cast a 20 inch by 10 inch concrete box (1:1:2) with two inch sides with a insert into which I'll place a cut to size PVC dog floor about $4 in your money, that's ideal for trapping leaves. That then flows into a large repurposed chlorine container, $1.00 in your money I've converted into a french drain. In the Philippines I's be hard pressed to find many of the items easily sourced at hardware stores in the USA and Australia.
Thank you
Is this 3 or 4 inch pvc?
awesome video. again. :-)
Another alternative that is catching on (particularly in the pacific northwest) is instead of worrying how to drain water coming off your roof, is to "collect" that water. We live rural and don't have city water supply. We have a well which is fine except during hot summer months when water is at a premium. We have two, 2000 gal. cisterns. We get a LOT of rain here. The water runs off the roof and the gutter downspouts are redirected to the cisterns. Come summer, we have 4,000 gallons of extra water. With flooding issues however, I did install catch basins following Chuck's advice and directions on how to do it properly.
Where can i find DIY info for thst kind of system?
Thanks
I was clear up to 5:00 when there was suddenly a 4" grill in the- ground? What happened in between, lol?
To correct that issue, you could have used an offset elbow w/o removing the entire catch basin system as that is how I had mine done. I also have an removable sleeve to "flush fit" the discharge from the elbow offset to the catch basin grate to allow me to remove the sleeve to service/clean the catch basin.
yeah but this system had corrugated pipe. it need to be removed.
Yes, but your excellent idea is frowned upon by those who want you to hire them to provide an expensive drainage solution to protect your property from water damage.
Yes, I have a similar set up with a custom 45 downspout elbow and basin countersunk in a concrete spillway. It has operated flawlessly for 23 years with no infiltration to the house. Totally agree with the removable sleeve also. I use these for my direct connections instead of a cleanout wye.. Removing the sleeve allows access to both the buried outfall line, and the horizontal downspout tube itself, which often becomes clogged with leaves, seeds, dead birds, etc. With the wye shown in this video, you would have to clean the downspout from roof level, or dis-assemble it at the base...very time consuming. Direct connections are ideal, but catch basins can work if done properly.
Is there any issue with the upward discharge?. I dont know if the pipe keeping water can be a problem.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, this would be a fail in my opinion, you want water to flow and leave the pipe.
I'm curious as to where the water is flowing to as in where it is existing the pipe.
Do you have a video that compare/contrast solid discharge piping vs corrugated discharge piping? Specifically when/where to use which.
Hi Nicholas, your question is a very easy answer. Solid pipe will always be your discharge. Basically there’s collection, that could be catch basins or French drain, which is perforated pipe surrounded by gravel or easy flow, then once you have collected the water do you want to keep it. So the discharge is solid pipe. Thanks, Chuck
@@appledrains thanks chuck. I got my crawl space dried up because of you, now I’m working on gutter water discharging. Thanks again for your content.
If you have a garden hose near one of the downspouts, you could extend the clean-out part and leave it open so you can stick the end of the hose into it after you are done using it so the water has a place to go because we all know hoses tend drain out water for awhile after turning them off.
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Eliminating the catch basin in warm southern states may be ok, but if you live in a cold weather environment, the pvc will freeze up and in turn your downspouts will freeze up causing all that water to drain along your foundation as you experience thawing. I live in Texas but still would use the catch basin with a different downspout adapter installed keeping the flow of water going directly down into the catch basin.
Just need a another elbow turning downward, or a direct connection to pipe, I have both and both work great.
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Yes mine works great as well. I even put a decorative rock in front to hide the catch basin and use it as a backslash at heavy rains. The basin catches majority of debris and very easy to clean out
Yes it could catch debris. But a heavier rain actually self cleans the system. The turbulence the corrugated ridges give the water cleans all debris. In Northern climates corrugated won't break from frost movement or ice build up. Very flexible pipe. Pvc has 0 give. Ice and frost movement will eventually crack pipe or even pull it out of the fittings. Pvc works well in Southern climates. But still not necessary. The blockages mainly are where water enters or try to exit. And the elbow fittings.
Is it possible to run the underground PVC pipe from the downpipe to a soakaway pit rather than to a grate that is in the middle of the lawn?
It is, or drop it off a bank somewhere if you have slope
Wait what size pipe is that ?
As noted by gmcjetpilot, this video is misleading. In many situations the presence of a catch basin will catch both granules from 3 tab roofing plus floatables. Once these items are trapped in the catch basin the owner can periodically remove the grate and clean out the basin. Otherwise debris travels downstream in the outfall pipe where it builds up and clogs the pipe or the drywell.
It is pretty easy to use a short length of pipe and a 90 degree bend to make a downturned elbow that is installed within the catch basin and mounted to the outlet pipe and prevents most floatables from leaving the catch basin. All downspouts at our residence discharge to catch basins. We clean out the catch basins every 5 to 10 years.
This is exactly the solution I instantly thought of when looking at this. At least I wouldn’t have to do all the digging. Unless… you were charging homeowners by the hour, Another 90 degree metal elbow would be my solution.
The cleanout might not prevent freezing, but it'd definitely make adding a heating cable easier
Is there a way to rig up a setup like this but make it easier for the homeowner to prevent debri from entering the line? Before I seen this video I thought the catch basin would be the solution. Even under the top grate put wire mesh under the grate.
You can start with a good set of gutter guards.
@@woolybully4902 Yes thats true. They are pricey
I have many trees in and around my yard. Leaves clog the drains and do require cleaning. Gutter guards are good but they are expensive. I installed a couple of rain barrels made from 33 gallon plastic garbage cans. On the top of the can, I installed aluminum window screen. The screen traps debris coming from the downspout. I installed an outlet with a valve on the bottom so I can save water and use it for future use. I installed an overflow outlet near the top of the can that is connected to pvc pipe which leads to the street. It works well. I also have a 350 gallon tote container that catches water from my workshop.
What kind of issues arise when connecting a downspout directly to the tail end of a channel drain?
overflowing the channel drain since the surface is exposed
I have a catch basin under the down spout and it works the way it should.
Congratulations, Ernest.
It would fill up and freeze and split the PVC in the winter. No good up North
I'm having a new concrete driveway installed, and there is a downspout on the corner of the garage which drains roof water onto the driveway. The concrete contractor wants put that downspout into a PVC drain pipe, which will run under the concrete for several feet, then elbow to the left for several more feet ending at a pop-up drain in the front yard. Is this advisable? I'm a little concerned about blockage, freezing, breaking, etc... The last thing I want to do is have to break the concrete on a new driveway to repair a drainage issue.
If you haven’t poured the concrete yet, put schedule 40 pvc pipe, never use the thin wall nds/ads pipe, and don’t put a pop up emitter, make the outflow open and horizontal, the pop ups hold water and debris in the pipe which has an increased risk of freezing
@@Clubsub256 ah, so no pop-ups in the yard. That is what I have now, and I believe that is what the contractor is planning to install from under the driveway as well. In my new driveway I'm pouring, I won't have a way to have a pipe come out horizontally. I guess then, the underground drawn isn't the best idea for me from what you're saying
@@leadfooty yeah making a horizontal outflow is hard to do unless you are planning to cut a curb
A bigger basin?
Can you use the clean out on the first downspout only if your running them in series to save money? What about the cheaper black pipe. Pvc is outrageous.
You could do that, but how would you clear a clog at the bottom of one of the other downspouts? You'd have to go on the roof and snake the downspout from up there. As for PVC vs corrugated, there are videos from installers who swear by one or the other. I've not yet been able to figure out anything consistent.
Is that sch 40 or thin wall pipe?
Since there was no answer ... IMO, thin wall should be sufficient since there is nothing under pressure. If the drain line was to be run directly under where vehicles would cross over, then maybe sch 40 might be justified.
For longevity and durability, which is better having metal or PVC for rain gutter?
You need another elbow to point it down
i hate to say this but this video is wrong. the purpose of the catch basin is to catch debris that falls to the bottom, it has a grate that you unscrew so you can dig out and maintenance on periodically. i work doing backyard makeovers and this setup is always clogged and we have to run 100% new pipe because it’s pretty much clogged all the way through. this setup here can only work if after that elbow it runs straight to the street, which never happens most drain systems have many turns connections to other drains and many elbows. the better solution is to keep the catch basin and notch the grate to accommodate the downspout otherwise all the roofing debris especially the runoff of shingle sand is what eventually cloggs this stetup... just my experience
Can you run a downspout drain into the septic tank?
You can but it's a bad idea. During heavy rain, or several days of light to moderate rain, you can overload the septic system.
Great way to have your entire lawn smell like sewage at all times
Can you attach a downspout to a french drain?
Yes but needs to be after the the French Drain
Brother if you moved that catcher forward more it would work fine
I took the easy way out. One of my drains is close enough to dump onto the street. Two others are diverted onto a sidewalk and two others onto a driveway. No pipes to clog.