Ya all need to stop these brainless discussions Ichigo would put Luffy in his grave so fast to even realize who wins the one Piece verse isn’t the same as the Bleach verse or the Naruto verse
@@tjemini2128 easy in Dressrosa Luffy one shot Dai who is multi continental since he is stronger than Don Quinchao, who split a almost indestructable ice continent. And Since One Piece is bigger than our world where Rivers or Island can be bigger than countries, it can easily be a multi continental feat.
Never understood scaling Luffy to WB DF, the only reason he can destroy the planet is because of his ability to generate earth quakes which would let him rip the planet apart. There’s nothing suggesting the other yonko have similar AP with their attacks
Could make the argument that Law, who’s on Yonko tier but weaker than the Yonko, clashing with BB’s Haki Amped Quake Punch upscales the Yonko’s AP to that level Since Blackbeard when he first got WB’s fruit pulled off a feat comparable to Old Marineford WB and is much stronger now on top of Haki amping the attack
I agree I don't think he just straight up destroys the world or something would probably destroy by fragmentation make more sense looking at the nature of his DF which only gets him to moon lvl
Whitebeard is a quake man, as you see in the manga he generates the energy to make those earthquake in the air. He would have to manually rip apart the island. He doesn't just summon earthquakes, that doesn't make any sense. Old whitebeard was 100% the weakest yonko, hence Kiado, the strongest creature is above him. Luffy is currently above Kiado, how is that difficult to understand? What people should be wondering is how the hell are people scaling ichigo with yhwach, who was flat out weaken one, and for his case, his durability isn't compared to his ap. Azian with weaker ap than ichigowas able to do something to him. There is no other bleach character that scales to yhwach except the soul king of course.
@@Abhisport168that doesn't make sense because old whitebeard with a normal quake punch was able to destroy an island in the ace novel. That's when ace and him were fighting. So yeah if he wanted to, he can generate enough force in the quake punch to do so, on top of that he has haki. But too sick to used advance conquers. Y'all forget luffy destroyed and island destroying attack from Enel wayyyy back then?
Who is star lvl lol no one of them can destroy star or planet max attack ichigo do is evaporate mountain when many chzracter in one piece verse can do naruto has no attack in his arsenal to destroy earth or star
The most delusional thing that an op fan can think is Luffy beating Ichigo. Not to mentioned when i have seen cases where they say that he even beats Goku, like wtf. Just how high are you to think that?
Dude, Ichigo is totally on Goku's level. There are statements and feats to back it up. One example being they nearly turned Ichigo into the next Soul King and the Soul King is responsible for keeping the multiverse together. Or how he's stronger than Yamamoto in base whose bankai threatened to destroy the Soul Society. Come on dude, don't downplay characters.
@@lex7454 would he even need it tho?I mean how would they get past his shikai?then his speed plus his hollow mask boost and then kidou...beating him in shikai would be tough and heaven help zoro for his sense of direction in that state😂
He cant slam the verse when they are many characters with strong haki plus what is the big feat of ichigo destroying mountain who every one piece character can do lol and pls dont start with ichigo universal lvl lol
okay people in the comments...he's referring to AP not DC..and there's a difference there... X can destroy earth which means his DC is planetary, however Y tanked this attack from X ..hence Y durability is planetary+ ... and now we have Z who's DC is just city level but he can one shot Y which means that Z have planetary+ AP...
@@tjemini2128not really his multipliers don’t just add and make one multiplier they multiply off of each other if shikai is a 5x amp then using bankai is a 10x amp off of that already 5x amp making the total multiplier 50x then in the arrancar arc his mask is another 10x bringing it to 500x then he gets another amp with fullbring which is another 10x meaning he doesn’t even need the mask anymore to achieve the same power he had with bankai+mask he doesn’t use the mask again after that
@@brandonferrel7066 Yeah exactly But as at tybw his true shikai became massively stronger than his Fullbring bankai and then horny of salvation there would be a huge power boost of 10x and then if he uses bankai yet again it'll be another 10x
Honestly I think Luffy can see Ichigo just fine because, Brook and Perona exist 😅 I mean they basically use souls and spirits that anyone could interact with and we met them before fully understanding what haki even was so the average person would see spirits in the OP verse. Like when Ussop saw a glimpse of Merry’s spirit repairing the ship back in Skypiea. On top of Big Mom’s ability to control souls in general. So I believe there is no needed spiritual abilities to be able to see spirits and ghosts in the OP verse. That was entirely just on sight, everything else Ichigo slams 💀
bruh luffy beijg at the level of a yonkou doenst make him have the hability to shake tectonic plates and destroy the world that is a power only whitebeard and blackbeard have
not saying anything against this video, but i love seeing kizarus light speed scaling in vs debates in and outside of one piece. If he is compared to anyone in one piece i hear ppl say that he isnt literaly lightspeed bc he would cause a nuklear explosion with every kick/punch. But if they scale kizaru and its about comparing one piece to another verse, it is indeed light speed
This is my biggest problem with light speed in any verse, it just doesn't really feel right if that makes any sense. Like I'm not gonna argue with the scaling but it's just weird because it very rarely looks like light speed in any series even when it states that.
If anything, that makes Ichigo stronger because moving at MTFL speeds with lowballed Solar System AP gives him Multi-Galaxy-Uni+ in AP alone, getting the cosmology to Low Multi with LNs means he's easily low multi
@@scuffed7648 Well, the thing is, if every character in a battle had lightspeed, what would you think a battle would look to us. Thats the reason why they need to give us those speed statements, instead off actualy showing it
@@crisscore157 yeah I agree but it’s still just weird to me, like if Luffy is the speed of light why did it take him multiple days to travel across Wano? Idk again I agree with the scalings because of the evidence but it always just feels weird.
@@scuffed7648 thats understandable and a reason for your point could of course be plot, that they dont want them to travel at that speeds or idk, they cant keep up that speed for travel but in battle they can ? idk, it is weird, but ig if u just watch the show like that u dont have to worry about it, but for ppl that like scalingd its fun
Base Shikai Ichigo negg diffs Luffy Gear 5, its simple his spirtual pressure would be too much for Luffy to Handle, A Getsuga Tenshou would finish him off, This comparison is not really fair tbh
Low key you use a portion of ichigo feats low multi is not overwank not saying cause I’m a fan it’s mainly due to aizen vs ichigo battle and how Aizen destroyed reason and Ichigo destroyed a black hole with his hands and Aizen saying ichigo is on a higher dimensional plane than aizen and Isshin said since Aizen transformation he couldn’t sense Aizen anymore meaning aizen had transcended making aizen 4D and Aizen couldn’t sense dangai ichigo because dangai ichigo was 5D
There’s an easier way to get there as well. The SAFWY novel confirms Aizen was cautious of Kenpachi unlocking his full potential before Aizen himself fused with the Hogyoku In said novel, Kenpachi grew strong enough to fight Kenpachi Azashiro. At the end, their clash was said to be strong enough to destroy the Dangai itself. The Dangai is a called a hyperspace, which means it’s beyond a 3-D spatial dimension This version of Kenny is weaker than even high tier normal Sternritter like Royd
Overall a great video albeit I disagree with 2C being wank for reasons listed lower The statement about Muken "tricking" the observer comes from an unreliable databook (13 blades) which stated that Rangiku has a Bankai [edit: also it appears as though said databook even contradicts itself on muken, since it also states it as being infinite in Spanish tl lol]. Overall there are much more statements about it being actually infinite than not. This is also supported by similar statements about Hueko mundo, kokyoku (valley of screams) and also about WoL with SS due to former being a 1 to 1 copy of our world (manga directly references numerous irl events and also references theory of the big bang) and latter being a realm equal to it. They aren't a part of the same space and time due to the fact that physical matter (kishi) literally cannot exist in Soul Society
@@hydro-senpai yeah that was part of numerous statements about it being infinite. 13 blades is literally the only outlier and it wasn't even made by Kubo lol
I really only disagree with Ichigo's AP scaling. Ywach wasn't punching something to destroy the multiversal/multi-solar system of "everything connected to Soul Society. His body had that output due to Soul King Hax. It's always been a weird part of "is their body going through the same output of energy" sort of thing. That said, Ichigo still stomps the One Piece Verse as it is (circa chapter 1086). He does scale higher... but I just think that choice of feat doesn't measure correctly. Might be a better concrete example to use somewhere that I am just not thinking of.
His body didn’t have that output due to hax. The novels and data books confirm you need that level of spiritual energy first in order to become the Soul King in the first place. Yhwach stated that he was already far beyond Mimihagi’s power before he absorbed him. And Mimihagi has enough reiatsu to replace the Soul King himself. So that energy just stacked. And then Absorbing the SK stacked onto that again The novels say that Hikone and Ginjo also have the energy to create and destroy the bleach cosmology if they wish. Novels also say Yhwach’s dead corpse is leaking enough spiritual Energy to hold the bleach cosmology together, so they put his corpse in suspended animation. They also said if Yhwach wasn’t an option, Ichibei would give Ichigo the Soul King treatment and seal him away to be the new SK
@@jocoolshow thanks a lot for the clarification. I didn't read the novels, only read the manga. I did also kind of forget that "spiritual pressure is literally everything" in Bleach, so Ichigo definitely needed to match the output to do anything to him. Once again, thanks for all the data. I'll have to brush up again. I appreciate that.
Ichigo wont stomp one piece verse many characters with strong haki can sense him the girl could stand to aizen reiatsu how can he stomp the whole verse
@islamardjoune1042 1, Haki doesn't mean anything. 2, Aiden doesn't have the most reiatsu in the verse. 3, no one in one piece has Cosmic feats. 4, the fastest characters in OP are light timers like Kizaru, and speed calcs in Bleach are very consistently faster than that once we get to Sternritters and people who defeat them.
How can say luffy is barely ftl /+ even tho there’s literal proof of him dodging light and his several speed multipliers w g2&4 but u say ichigo is mftl even tho he never showcased a single FTL speed feat and you only base yourself on other characters he supposedly scales to your vid is showing
He cant that sword its self is not a regular sword its covered with immense amount of spiritual pressure. All ichigo has to do is flex his power thats enough to kill luffy
Dog beat him with just hands and legs,negate his gear fifth ability,dodge the attack before it even lands,use a gran rey cero,crush luffy with spiritual pressure etc...luffy ain't got nothing
Luffy stomps. Gear 5 "can turn any sword in Bleach into rubber" none of them can take luffy's insanely powerful physical damage, plus high tier Haki they are not prepared for. Stop glazing the meta and going with the flow of whats cool. Luffy is also 10 times the man and character Ichigo will ever be.
@@iibroadie30 If I remember correctly, Luffy himself said it with gear 4 and it's logical since one piece characters go from island level to big island, the scale of one piece doesn't even reach a multi-continental level except planetary or stellar levels, its The top is continental and that's it, but at the moment it is country level with relativistic speed
Ok found a huge inconsistency yes ichigo wins but ichigo being able to damage ywhach is a ap feat? This was while you explained that ywhach was destroying everything and that ichigo being able to damage him is a AP feat? Excuse me? If anything this is a durribility feat being able to survive the destruction of everything?
i would say its an ap feat considering to be able to damage someone in bleach you need similar if not around the same level of spiritual pressure. just like how ichigo had the sp to attack soul king who was at the time holding up all of the said realms that yuha absorbed
@@jacksonabell1286Yhwach can destroy the Bleach Multiverse = he has low multi Durability on a lowball. Ichigo is strong enough to kill and damage Yhwach consistently giving Ichigo low multiversal ap on a lowball. Simple as that
@@officejetpro365x3 i think you misunderstood my point i was merely stating a problem with his video and his description because not once did he mention ywach durability yet said it was a ap feat
@@jacksonabell1286 Ap = Durability thats common sense. Yhwach can endure the energy output requied to destroy the bleach Multiverse which scales his Durability.
This is BS let luffy fight the human ichigo first human vs human then after that, shinigami ichigo vs human luffy and finaly shinigami ichigo vs shinigami luffy 😂 i cant imagine how strong shinigami luffy can be as hes already a God like in his human form
@@Mugiwara44594bro ichigo is way more faster and stronger than lightning. Bro is a shinigami which means death god in Japanese that defeated a god that was about to destroy three universes. One piece hasn't shown any universal feats and ichigo was able to defeat a god that was about to destroy three universes I'm sorry but ichigo slams.
@@Nigsta why he doesnt lol baryon mode dont work too much on luffy since luffy has ryou speed luffy is fast as naruto or more lol rasengan whhe can dodge it has future sight and naruto can even break luffy haki without haki and dont tell me chakra is like haki bcs you will sound like clown
I believe there is no 2 bleach fans who put ichigo in the same power lvl lmfao half y’all chat so much shit, and dont say I said luffys stronger cus he not just saying bleach fans are mad funny.
That's why I dislike powerscaling. It's always such a shitshow. You don't need numbers or calculations to figure out that a character who punches hard and can stretch will lose to a guy that moved at the speed of light in an early arc of the series, with the story ending in an arc where a guy is collapsing all of existence. Who in their right mind thinks this is even relatively similar 😂
@@officejetpro365x3 okay? My point refers to the notion of Shunpo being known to make people move at the speed of light. Man, I seriously don't understand these types of comments that just reinforce what I already said. Like what's the point?
Not really. That's between shinigamis lol , it's like saying chojiro is on par with yhwach 😂😂😂😂 Remember what aizen or zaraki said :" battle between shinigamis are reiatsu battle " it's between shinigamis .@@gralegambino1433
Gojo is debatable based on what hax Ichigo's Bankai has. Ichigo is FAR stronger than Gojo is, he just doesn't have any consistent way to get around Infinity. Ichigo's problem is that he's been thrown into fights without really any ability training. Everything he has is just straight strength/speed training because he needed it to contend with individuals that have decades of training in comparison to his months. And... Saitama is a character I hate being brought up because, like Superman, he's a bullshit character that just becomes as strong as he need to be while 'never showing his true power' so he can continue to be scaled higher. The people that say Goku can beat Saitama are just as ridiculous as the people saying Goku can beat Superman... and Ichigo in no way scales to anything past early/mid DBZ, even taking the benefit of all doubt.
@@lo4tr dimensionality>hax ichigo by the end of bleach is at least 4D because he was able to cut yhwach who was destroying the dangai which is a 4d hyperspace
@@weskintime4177He's Mftl at most. The calcs most ppl use are with horrible time frames. Ichigo is trillions to Quadrillions of times faster than light. He easily takes speed
Comparing One piece to trash anime. Bleach is a DBZ but with sword and shitty swordplay i like demon slayer sword fight more. Also DBZ is better than bleach the only thing Bleach got to other anime is Animation other is complete THRASH.
Lmao bleach has waay better detailed fights tho, little fanboys like you make no sense. One piece is amazing but it’s animation is just dramatic making it seem like the fights are incredible because of the wacky abilities people use. Plus it took One Piece 20yrs to get this peak level. Bleach ended years ago but always had the better animation and character designs. One piece finally piecing it’s story together because of it’s huge verse it has
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@@odin....true
Ya all need to stop these brainless discussions Ichigo would put Luffy in his grave so fast to even realize who wins the one Piece verse isn’t the same as the Bleach verse or the Naruto verse
😂😂😂luffy et le dieu du soleil
@@Mugiwara44594Luffy gets negged 😂
Bro it doesnt mean luffy will lose ez and wdym but no same lol one piece is larger than naruto verse lol bleach world is bigger bcs they are 3 realm
@@islamardjoune1042He will get cooked insanely quick kiddo
@@Illuminous_unknownSoul by who by someone who max could destroy is mountain lol
Scaling Luffy to large planetary level is crazyyyy
Fr like I don't get how you'd even scale him to continental or even country level
I could leave him at Country + but that's it for me
@@tjemini2128 could potentially get him to moon level+ but thats at his peak with gear 5💀
@@idropNukes999 fr bro even if he master's it that'll be it
@@tjemini2128 easy in Dressrosa Luffy one shot Dai who is multi continental since he is stronger than Don Quinchao, who split a almost indestructable ice continent. And Since One Piece is bigger than our world where Rivers or Island can be bigger than countries, it can easily be a multi continental feat.
Never understood scaling Luffy to WB DF, the only reason he can destroy the planet is because of his ability to generate earth quakes which would let him rip the planet apart. There’s nothing suggesting the other yonko have similar AP with their attacks
*DC
Could make the argument that Law, who’s on Yonko tier but weaker than the Yonko, clashing with BB’s Haki Amped Quake Punch upscales the Yonko’s AP to that level
Since Blackbeard when he first got WB’s fruit pulled off a feat comparable to Old Marineford WB and is much stronger now on top of Haki amping the attack
I agree I don't think he just straight up destroys the world or something would probably destroy by fragmentation make more sense looking at the nature of his DF which only gets him to moon lvl
Whitebeard is a quake man, as you see in the manga he generates the energy to make those earthquake in the air. He would have to manually rip apart the island. He doesn't just summon earthquakes, that doesn't make any sense. Old whitebeard was 100% the weakest yonko, hence Kiado, the strongest creature is above him. Luffy is currently above Kiado, how is that difficult to understand? What people should be wondering is how the hell are people scaling ichigo with yhwach, who was flat out weaken one, and for his case, his durability isn't compared to his ap. Azian with weaker ap than ichigowas able to do something to him. There is no other bleach character that scales to yhwach except the soul king of course.
@@Abhisport168that doesn't make sense because old whitebeard with a normal quake punch was able to destroy an island in the ace novel. That's when ace and him were fighting. So yeah if he wanted to, he can generate enough force in the quake punch to do so, on top of that he has haki. But too sick to used advance conquers. Y'all forget luffy destroyed and island destroying attack from Enel wayyyy back then?
Ichigo slaughters the verse. Luffy caps at large planetary while ichigo is star level at minimum
Cap, I think Luffy solos Midchigo
@@DarkTemple34and why is that?
@DarkTemple34 how?
@@odin.... I’ll debate you on it, you have Discord?
@@DarkTemple34 no
At best planet level with FTL vs at worst Star level and MFTL… how do people think Luffy wins?
Who is star lvl lol no one of them can destroy star or planet max attack ichigo do is evaporate mountain when many chzracter in one piece verse can do naruto has no attack in his arsenal to destroy earth or star
Luffy is far faster than FTL...
@@boredfangerrude8759 ppl just want to downplay luffy and piece characters thats all
@@islamardjoune1042 Ya, it's annoying.
@@islamardjoune1042watch the vid, one piece glazers are wild
The most delusional thing that an op fan can think is Luffy beating Ichigo.
Not to mentioned when i have seen cases where they say that he even beats Goku, like wtf.
Just how high are you to think that?
Dude, Ichigo is totally on Goku's level. There are statements and feats to back it up.
One example being they nearly turned Ichigo into the next Soul King and the Soul King is responsible for keeping the multiverse together.
Or how he's stronger than Yamamoto in base whose bankai threatened to destroy the Soul Society.
Come on dude, don't downplay characters.
Ichigo stomps ONE PIECE verse and that's not even a debate
The fact that they're logia wouldn't even matter cause soul reapers strike at souls when they fight rather than the physical body
@@tjemini2128 Shinji : Bankai...
Luffy starts killing his own crewmates 🤣
@@lex7454 would he even need it tho?I mean how would they get past his shikai?then his speed plus his hollow mask boost and then kidou...beating him in shikai would be tough and heaven help zoro for his sense of direction in that state😂
@@tjemini2128 so destroy the earth
He cant slam the verse when they are many characters with strong haki plus what is the big feat of ichigo destroying mountain who every one piece character can do lol and pls dont start with ichigo universal lvl lol
okay people in the comments...he's referring to AP not DC..and there's a difference there...
X can destroy earth which means his DC is planetary, however Y tanked this attack from X ..hence Y durability is planetary+ ...
and now we have Z who's DC is just city level but he can one shot Y which means that Z have planetary+ AP...
Ichigo gonna find the one piece by himself
Ichigo IS the one piece
@@jordancantrell.. Bruh isn't the one piece
Small correction as in with current events, Ichigo has no hollow mask
He does tho,horn of salvation is his hollow mask
it's combined with him even now...
hollow, Quincy and his shinigami powers
@@weird_perspective68 yeh pretty much,basically horn of salvation is like Goku going ssj,both are him but he stacks to boost his power
@@tjemini2128not really his multipliers don’t just add and make one multiplier they multiply off of each other if shikai is a 5x amp then using bankai is a 10x amp off of that already 5x amp making the total multiplier 50x then in the arrancar arc his mask is another 10x bringing it to 500x then he gets another amp with fullbring which is another 10x meaning he doesn’t even need the mask anymore to achieve the same power he had with bankai+mask he doesn’t use the mask again after that
@@brandonferrel7066 Yeah exactly
But as at tybw his true shikai became massively stronger than his Fullbring bankai and then horny of salvation there would be a huge power boost of 10x and then if he uses bankai yet again it'll be another 10x
A rubbery sun god vs a death god (with many different races) with a comically large kitchen knife
Its bascially human vs a soul reaper a literal shinigami
you could say that
Awesome video man
Honestly I think Luffy can see Ichigo just fine because, Brook and Perona exist 😅
I mean they basically use souls and spirits that anyone could interact with and we met them before fully understanding what haki even was so the average person would see spirits in the OP verse. Like when Ussop saw a glimpse of Merry’s spirit repairing the ship back in Skypiea. On top of Big Mom’s ability to control souls in general.
So I believe there is no needed spiritual abilities to be able to see spirits and ghosts in the OP verse.
That was entirely just on sight, everything else Ichigo slams 💀
Nah he wont see them-those are just low level souls anybody with little spiritual energy can see them but not soul reapers
@@nkosinathisibiya600not see but i think someone with strong haki can sense them not see them and wistand their pressence
@@islamardjoune1042 yea sensing them is possible unless they conceal their presence
Even then, advanced observation haki would allow you to sense and pseudo see them.
luffy is literally fighting a ghost i think bro loses here
That actually doesn't matter
bruh luffy beijg at the level of a yonkou doenst make him have the hability to shake tectonic plates and destroy the world that is a power only whitebeard and blackbeard have
not saying anything against this video, but i love seeing kizarus light speed scaling in vs debates in and outside of one piece. If he is compared to anyone in one piece i hear ppl say that he isnt literaly lightspeed bc he would cause a nuklear explosion with every kick/punch. But if they scale kizaru and its about comparing one piece to another verse, it is indeed light speed
This is my biggest problem with light speed in any verse, it just doesn't really feel right if that makes any sense. Like I'm not gonna argue with the scaling but it's just weird because it very rarely looks like light speed in any series even when it states that.
If anything, that makes Ichigo stronger because moving at MTFL speeds with lowballed Solar System AP gives him Multi-Galaxy-Uni+ in AP alone, getting the cosmology to Low Multi with LNs means he's easily low multi
@@scuffed7648 Well, the thing is, if every character in a battle had lightspeed, what would you think a battle would look to us. Thats the reason why they need to give us those speed statements, instead off actualy showing it
@@crisscore157 yeah I agree but it’s still just weird to me, like if Luffy is the speed of light why did it take him multiple days to travel across Wano? Idk again I agree with the scalings because of the evidence but it always just feels weird.
@@scuffed7648 thats understandable and a reason for your point could of course be plot, that they dont want them to travel at that speeds or idk, they cant keep up that speed for travel but in battle they can ? idk, it is weird, but ig if u just watch the show like that u dont have to worry about it, but for ppl that like scalingd its fun
Base Shikai Ichigo negg diffs Luffy Gear 5, its simple his spirtual pressure would be too much for Luffy to Handle, A Getsuga Tenshou would finish him off, This comparison is not really fair tbh
Low key you use a portion of ichigo feats low multi is not overwank not saying cause I’m a fan it’s mainly due to aizen vs ichigo battle and how Aizen destroyed reason and Ichigo destroyed a black hole with his hands and Aizen saying ichigo is on a higher dimensional plane than aizen and Isshin said since Aizen transformation he couldn’t sense Aizen anymore meaning aizen had transcended making aizen 4D and Aizen couldn’t sense dangai ichigo because dangai ichigo was 5D
and HOS is stronger then Mugetsu so it gets worse
@@freddieadams8435 fax
There’s an easier way to get there as well. The SAFWY novel confirms Aizen was cautious of Kenpachi unlocking his full potential before Aizen himself fused with the Hogyoku
In said novel, Kenpachi grew strong enough to fight Kenpachi Azashiro. At the end, their clash was said to be strong enough to destroy the Dangai itself.
The Dangai is a called a hyperspace, which means it’s beyond a 3-D spatial dimension
This version of Kenny is weaker than even high tier normal Sternritter like Royd
@@jocoolshow I keep forgetting novel scaling gets that insane
@@freddieadams8435The next novel fr boutta get the verse to Outer I swear 💀💀💀
Ichigoat solos the verse no diff
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Overall a great video albeit I disagree with 2C being wank for reasons listed lower
The statement about Muken "tricking" the observer comes from an unreliable databook (13 blades) which stated that Rangiku has a Bankai [edit: also it appears as though said databook even contradicts itself on muken, since it also states it as being infinite in Spanish tl lol]. Overall there are much more statements about it being actually infinite than not. This is also supported by similar statements about Hueko mundo, kokyoku (valley of screams) and also about WoL with SS due to former being a 1 to 1 copy of our world (manga directly references numerous irl events and also references theory of the big bang) and latter being a realm equal to it. They aren't a part of the same space and time due to the fact that physical matter (kishi) literally cannot exist in Soul Society
CFYOW also states muken is infinite in vol 1 (forgot page)
@@hydro-senpai yeah that was part of numerous statements about it being infinite. 13 blades is literally the only outlier and it wasn't even made by Kubo lol
Bleach supremacy 🫡🫡🫡
This video ate
goat
"whitebeard is planetary" oh so bait video got it
Ichigo would punch luffy so hard that he would disintegrate him
My friend tells me that Luffy has better stats, is that cap or nah
It’s Cap
true true
Luffy gear 5 = a God
Ichigo fullbring = soul reaper
Luffy wins because he can just imagine himself winning
Brook solo everything
W
I really only disagree with Ichigo's AP scaling. Ywach wasn't punching something to destroy the multiversal/multi-solar system of "everything connected to Soul Society. His body had that output due to Soul King Hax. It's always been a weird part of "is their body going through the same output of energy" sort of thing.
That said, Ichigo still stomps the One Piece Verse as it is (circa chapter 1086). He does scale higher... but I just think that choice of feat doesn't measure correctly. Might be a better concrete example to use somewhere that I am just not thinking of.
His body didn’t have that output due to hax. The novels and data books confirm you need that level of spiritual energy first in order to become the Soul King in the first place.
Yhwach stated that he was already far beyond Mimihagi’s power before he absorbed him. And Mimihagi has enough reiatsu to replace the Soul King himself. So that energy just stacked. And then Absorbing the SK stacked onto that again
The novels say that Hikone and Ginjo also have the energy to create and destroy the bleach cosmology if they wish.
Novels also say Yhwach’s dead corpse is leaking enough spiritual
Energy to hold the bleach cosmology together, so they put his corpse in suspended animation.
They also said if Yhwach wasn’t an option, Ichibei would give Ichigo the Soul King treatment and seal him away to be the new SK
@@jocoolshow thanks a lot for the clarification. I didn't read the novels, only read the manga.
I did also kind of forget that "spiritual pressure is literally everything" in Bleach, so Ichigo definitely needed to match the output to do anything to him. Once again, thanks for all the data. I'll have to brush up again. I appreciate that.
Ichigo wont stomp one piece verse many characters with strong haki can sense him the girl could stand to aizen reiatsu how can he stomp the whole verse
@islamardjoune1042 1, Haki doesn't mean anything. 2, Aiden doesn't have the most reiatsu in the verse. 3, no one in one piece has Cosmic feats. 4, the fastest characters in OP are light timers like Kizaru, and speed calcs in Bleach are very consistently faster than that once we get to Sternritters and people who defeat them.
How can say luffy is barely ftl /+ even tho there’s literal proof of him dodging light and his several speed multipliers w g2&4 but u say ichigo is mftl even tho he never showcased a single FTL speed feat and you only base yourself on other characters he supposedly scales to your vid is showing
Ichigo is way past ftl.
Obviously I don’t anyone thought it was 💀
so you think luffy wins
Gear 5 luffy turns ichigo s blade into rubber. What do you do now?
He cant that sword its self is not a regular sword its covered with immense amount of spiritual pressure.
All ichigo has to do is flex his power thats enough to kill luffy
Bold of you to assume Luffy’s hax would work on Ichigo
That wont affect ichigo tho😂 since high reatsu cancels hax
Dog beat him with just hands and legs,negate his gear fifth ability,dodge the attack before it even lands,use a gran rey cero,crush luffy with spiritual pressure etc...luffy ain't got nothing
Luffy es un le dieux du soleil avec son haki il peut tout détruire
Luffy stomps. Gear 5 "can turn any sword in Bleach into rubber" none of them can take luffy's insanely powerful physical damage, plus high tier Haki they are not prepared for. Stop glazing the meta and going with the flow of whats cool. Luffy is also 10 times the man and character Ichigo will ever be.
Aint no way 😭 ichigo claps luffy without even trying
@@shademandude712 You are incredibly unoriginal and predictable
@@RedEyeKing313X and you are incredibly wrong and dont know anything about ichigo
@@RedEyeKing313X We got a One piece throat goat here
Lol his sword is his spirit so that does work
Luffy is large island at best🤷🏾♂️
*multi continental
@@chiru4017 how so
Country*
@@metalknight1893 what country feat has he showed
@@iibroadie30 If I remember correctly, Luffy himself said it with gear 4 and it's logical since one piece characters go from island level to big island, the scale of one piece doesn't even reach a multi-continental level except planetary or stellar levels, its The top is continental and that's it, but at the moment it is country level with relativistic speed
Ichigoat in base one shots dumb scarecrow
Ok found a huge inconsistency yes ichigo wins but ichigo being able to damage ywhach is a ap feat? This was while you explained that ywhach was destroying everything and that ichigo being able to damage him is a AP feat? Excuse me? If anything this is a durribility feat being able to survive the destruction of everything?
i would say its an ap feat considering to be able to damage someone in bleach you need similar if not around the same level of spiritual pressure. just like how ichigo had the sp to attack soul king who was at the time holding up all of the said realms that yuha absorbed
@@puffgod5356 so again i ask wouldn’t that be a durability feat if he is able to take his spiritual pressure?
@@jacksonabell1286Yhwach can destroy the Bleach Multiverse = he has low multi Durability on a lowball. Ichigo is strong enough to kill and damage Yhwach consistently giving Ichigo low multiversal ap on a lowball. Simple as that
@@officejetpro365x3 i think you misunderstood my point i was merely stating a problem with his video and his description because not once did he mention ywach durability yet said it was a ap feat
@@jacksonabell1286 Ap = Durability thats common sense. Yhwach can endure the energy output requied to destroy the bleach Multiverse which scales his Durability.
This is BS let luffy fight the human ichigo first human vs human then after that, shinigami ichigo vs human luffy and finaly shinigami ichigo vs shinigami luffy 😂 i cant imagine how strong shinigami luffy can be as hes already a God like in his human form
Bro y'all camping luffy is mftl speed
And ichigo is Mftl+
Base ichigo/bankai ichigo>one piece verse
Luffy est le dieu du soleil il peut même attraper les éclair
@@Mugiwara44594?? Ichigo is a death god who can collapse realms with a flex of his powers😂
@@Mugiwara44594bro ichigo is way more faster and stronger than lightning. Bro is a shinigami which means death god in Japanese that defeated a god that was about to destroy three universes. One piece hasn't shown any universal feats and ichigo was able to defeat a god that was about to destroy three universes I'm sorry but ichigo slams.
Stopped listening after you said Ichigo has fate manipulation
He does
He does, just read bleach
@@gamingmonkey14 he doesn’t at all, just some theory
@@Saintsrow1824 oh mb 😅
If Naruto slams Luffy Ichigoat would one shot him
Luffy now beat naruto lol wtf
@@islamardjoune1042 he doesn’t 😂 I’ve caught up to OP and he hasn’t
@@Nigsta why he doesnt lol baryon mode dont work too much on luffy since luffy has ryou speed luffy is fast as naruto or more lol rasengan whhe can dodge it has future sight and naruto can even break luffy haki without haki and dont tell me chakra is like haki bcs you will sound like clown
I believe there is no 2 bleach fans who put ichigo in the same power lvl lmfao half y’all chat so much shit, and dont say I said luffys stronger cus he not just saying bleach fans are mad funny.
That's why I dislike powerscaling. It's always such a shitshow. You don't need numbers or calculations to figure out that a character who punches hard and can stretch will lose to a guy that moved at the speed of light in an early arc of the series, with the story ending in an arc where a guy is collapsing all of existence. Who in their right mind thinks this is even relatively similar 😂
@@matus19971actually Ichigo didn’t move at Lightspeed at series start, only 12% - 18% the speed of light.
@@weskintime4177 I meant early on, by SS arc people were moving LS
@@matus19971Ichigo was already 10 to 50 times faster than light with his Bankai and hollow mask multiplier during the soul society arc.
@@officejetpro365x3 okay? My point refers to the notion of Shunpo being known to make people move at the speed of light.
Man, I seriously don't understand these types of comments that just reinforce what I already said. Like what's the point?
As a bleach fan i dont get the concept of saying since ichigo can hurt Yhwach it puts him in his level
Remember ichigo tried cutting kenpachi ?? And ended up hurting himself?? Spiritual pressure has to be relative just to cut somebody …
bro forgor reiatsu cancel
Not really. That's between shinigamis lol , it's like saying chojiro is on par with yhwach 😂😂😂😂
Remember what aizen or zaraki said :" battle between shinigamis are reiatsu battle " it's between shinigamis .@@gralegambino1433
Next you'll be saying ichigo can beat saitama. Or gojo.
Gojo is debatable based on what hax Ichigo's Bankai has. Ichigo is FAR stronger than Gojo is, he just doesn't have any consistent way to get around Infinity. Ichigo's problem is that he's been thrown into fights without really any ability training. Everything he has is just straight strength/speed training because he needed it to contend with individuals that have decades of training in comparison to his months.
And... Saitama is a character I hate being brought up because, like Superman, he's a bullshit character that just becomes as strong as he need to be while 'never showing his true power' so he can continue to be scaled higher. The people that say Goku can beat Saitama are just as ridiculous as the people saying Goku can beat Superman... and Ichigo in no way scales to anything past early/mid DBZ, even taking the benefit of all doubt.
@@lo4tr dimensionality>hax ichigo by the end of bleach is at least 4D because he was able to cut yhwach who was destroying the dangai which is a 4d hyperspace
Ichigo whipes both lmao he outscales in every way possible excluding defense.
@@officejetpro365x3eh, Saitama with wank takes speed.
@@weskintime4177He's Mftl at most. The calcs most ppl use are with horrible time frames. Ichigo is trillions to Quadrillions of times faster than light. He easily takes speed
Ichigo is straight hot garbage
@restlessascension3260 luffy is more garbage than ichigo
Bro is mad lmao
@@officejetpro365x3 fact
If Ichigo is garbage, then Luffy is the liquid that comes out of the trash bag that is somehow worse than the trash itself.
Damn
Comparing One piece to trash anime. Bleach is a DBZ but with sword and shitty swordplay i like demon slayer sword fight more. Also DBZ is better than bleach the only thing Bleach got to other anime is Animation other is complete THRASH.
bleach is better written than every anime you just mentioned and without bleach there would be no demon slayer
Ichigo still solos, so what's your point? Even if you think Bleach is bad, which it's not, Ichigo still solos so none of that matters lol
Lmao bleach has waay better detailed fights tho, little fanboys like you make no sense. One piece is amazing but it’s animation is just dramatic making it seem like the fights are incredible because of the wacky abilities people use. Plus it took One Piece 20yrs to get this peak level.
Bleach ended years ago but always had the better animation and character designs. One piece finally piecing it’s story together because of it’s huge verse it has
i just see a living ass here watching and reading with his ass.
With tybw being there you dont have any Clue bruh but k your op
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