This guy claimed to be a Christian, but he met people living "with no knowledge of evil" who seem happy and healthy, have great food, are naked, and live peacefully. He basically found an Earthly Eden, and decided to re-enact the fall of man.
You think he would understand that people from geographically close places are not all the same, and people from one village often hate the people the next village over with a murderous passion, being from 1400's Italy and all
Thank C'thulu that ~550 years later everyone looks at the people around them and thinks "This person is complex and valuable in the same way I'm complex and valuable, and we are not defined by our differences."
What the... i'm not the *most* up on this part of history but i've *never* encountered the idea that "the natives were .... speaking gibberish". That's... mind-boggling. Some people just assumed they were making meaningless noises that couldn't possibly be words? Enough that realizing otherwise was noteworthy? I... wow. Like, i know more about Cortes, who definitely knew by then that yeah these noises were language. And these markings were writing. And needed to be destroyed. Insert a massive tragic cultural genocide that still upsets me to think about all the knowledge lost. Like, i dunno that we can call that *better* but... the utter casual dehumanization of "hey do you think maybe these primitives' grunts are actually some form of communication?" just... ow.
I'm surprised how credulous you are about the "theological discussion" that Delaney claims Columbus had with one of the natives, especially given your later description of how uninterested Columbus seemed to be in learning the native languages. To the extent that the conversation happened at all, I can only imagine that the two of them were just gesticulating at each other and Columbus inferred some deeper meaning to the exchange.
I think it's less a matter of how interested the man may have been, and moreso if he had the language to even have that conversation in the first place. Learning a language is hard enough, and there wouldn't be anyone there who was particularly interested in teaching anyone or who knew how to best do that.
If the rivers are good, somebody figured out that was a way to stay alive (e.g. make the headwaters a no go area). If the soils are good and productive, there's probably a system or set of practices behind it.
The chip shortage continues, but it is random components you wouldn't even think of. High side switch, power management IC, serial interface, LVDS chip used in HDMI. That kind of thing.
Apocalyptic beliefs aren't universal, but what IS very common is European conquerers puffing themselves up to those at home by claiming that the natives believed they were gods. This was such a common trope that some conquerers were highly disappointed when they discovered that the native leaders whom they thought they'd impressed with their self-proclaimed godhood didn't actually believe the conquerers to be divine, and were just treated like any other emissary.
Dude... one of the oldest racist colonial myths is that our ancestors thought people like Columbus were gods. Not only did you falsely claim the Taíno all died off, but you perpetuated this myth. You do so well and then make such simple settler mistakes.
@@casspurpoffshoot cultures descended from the Taino can persist, even if the Taino themselves are now gone. Dinosaurs sure as hell aren't around anymore, but we've got birds.
I like the expose on shitty people but does it have to be in this horrible podcast format? You spend like 5 minutes talking about video games. IDGAF what you dips do in your personal lives, just stick to the subject.
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This guy claimed to be a Christian, but he met people living "with no knowledge of evil" who seem happy and healthy, have great food, are naked, and live peacefully. He basically found an Earthly Eden, and decided to re-enact the fall of man.
A note on old timey language "trifling" can mean "treating this like it is a trifle" aka "he's acting like this is nothing, but it's a big deal"
Yeah, I read that as a negative assesment of Columbus. Really causing offense and enmity as though it were trivial.
You think he would understand that people from geographically close places are not all the same, and people from one village often hate the people the next village over with a murderous passion, being from 1400's Italy and all
Thank C'thulu that ~550 years later everyone looks at the people around them and thinks "This person is complex and valuable in the same way I'm complex and valuable, and we are not defined by our differences."
But they were brown and he needed money and God wanted it to happen!
"Don't be afraid."
Remind me of Mars attacks when they are running around with the translator telling everybody not to run.
"Don't run, we're your friends"
WE COME IN PEACE.
WE COME IN PEACE.
WE COME IN PEACE.
Martians need hammocks...
Awesome. My PR wife has Taino in her heritage, and says it Thai-ee-know...
I don't know how long you've been listening to BTB, but correcting Robert's pronunciation is an exercise in futility.
to the extent where when he gets something non-Anglophone correct, it's a surprise.
@@youmukonpaku3168 Sometimes even to him.
My geat grandmother is Arowak.
What the... i'm not the *most* up on this part of history but i've *never* encountered the idea that "the natives were .... speaking gibberish". That's... mind-boggling. Some people just assumed they were making meaningless noises that couldn't possibly be words? Enough that realizing otherwise was noteworthy? I... wow.
Like, i know more about Cortes, who definitely knew by then that yeah these noises were language. And these markings were writing. And needed to be destroyed. Insert a massive tragic cultural genocide that still upsets me to think about all the knowledge lost. Like, i dunno that we can call that *better* but... the utter casual dehumanization of "hey do you think maybe these primitives' grunts are actually some form of communication?" just... ow.
Don't be afraid? That's a bricking.
Are you saying the documentary "1492: Conquest of Paradise" might contain some factual inaccuracies? Well I'm just shocked!
Hey guys. Good to see you
I'm surprised how credulous you are about the "theological discussion" that Delaney claims Columbus had with one of the natives, especially given your later description of how uninterested Columbus seemed to be in learning the native languages. To the extent that the conversation happened at all, I can only imagine that the two of them were just gesticulating at each other and Columbus inferred some deeper meaning to the exchange.
Yeah agree he says he couldn’t speak the language how far could he get with hand signals?
I too found that claim to be of dubious veracity due to the obvious language barrier.
The old man might have been interested in converting columbus.
I think it's less a matter of how interested the man may have been, and moreso if he had the language to even have that conversation in the first place. Learning a language is hard enough, and there wouldn't be anyone there who was particularly interested in teaching anyone or who knew how to best do that.
Even if gold is valuable, by exchanging it, they expect the spaniards to be in their debt. Different economic "laws" between the two groups.
In 1493, Columbus sailed the ocean sea.
If the rivers are good, somebody figured out that was a way to stay alive (e.g. make the headwaters a no go area). If the soils are good and productive, there's probably a system or set of practices behind it.
Still looking for another episode of "What Dinosaur Real Good?"
The chip shortage continues, but it is random components you wouldn't even think of. High side switch, power management IC, serial interface, LVDS chip used in HDMI. That kind of thing.
11:32 Hehe, you said "seamen" and "poop deck".
12:40 fun fact, my indigenous ancestors: The Devil/Satan also came from the heavens.
So what you can with that information.
This guys voice is completely different than when on cracked that's extremely strange.
Apocalyptic beliefs aren't universal, but what IS very common is European conquerers puffing themselves up to those at home by claiming that the natives believed they were gods. This was such a common trope that some conquerers were highly disappointed when they discovered that the native leaders whom they thought they'd impressed with their self-proclaimed godhood didn't actually believe the conquerers to be divine, and were just treated like any other emissary.
54:36 graphic design was his passion 🤦
His thinking makes MY brain hurt 😩 why did he have to write this shit down lol
53:30 The Zealot formerly known as Christopher.
Love from a Alex'O Connor and Vaush fan!
Ew vaush. Get outta here, democrat!
Because Columbus is dead, "bringer" should probably be "broughter." Sorry to be a stuckler abouted the grammar...
Dumny, you mispelled stychler off gramer.
Don't agree
@@glenzacharias4670 I encourager grammateric discussioning. I say "broughter it on." Life is a dialogatribe.
Dude... one of the oldest racist colonial myths is that our ancestors thought people like Columbus were gods. Not only did you falsely claim the Taíno all died off, but you perpetuated this myth.
You do so well and then make such simple settler mistakes.
you're definitely right about that being a racist myth, but aren't the Taino extinct as a people, even though their descendants persist?
@marigoldz How can a people be extinct if they're still alive? That's nonsensical.
@@casspurpoffshoot cultures descended from the Taino can persist, even if the Taino themselves are now gone. Dinosaurs sure as hell aren't around anymore, but we've got birds.
I like the expose on shitty people but does it have to be in this horrible podcast format? You spend like 5 minutes talking about video games. IDGAF what you dips do in your personal lives, just stick to the subject.
I’m dying to know the person/company/organization that buys the island that gets bleeped out all the time.
It's Blue Apron. They've forgotten to bleep it a couple of times. I think he tells someone who asks on one of the live show recordings too.
@@WesPearsallPlus the bit this time about cutting cloth into that apron shape