The old SSM2044 was a big 16-pin DIP package. The new ones are small surface-mount packages, and making a breakout board that takes the new pinout to the old is certainly possible, assuming they still have functionally the same pins. That would make it a simple plug-in replacement, though it would be a bit taller probably. I'd expect designing the breakout would be just 15 minutes of PCB design work and manufacturing them would add maybe a dollar to the cost.
Dave running around his studio showing us his toys was great, I think there should be a Sonicstate Top Trumps episode where all the guys take turns to grab a synth and show it ;)
Hello guys, it's always a pleasure to listen to you talk/discuss about your favorite subjects. As usual, greetings to the man Nick Batt, you are the greatest synth vlogger and I still wish you were my dad.
Hi Nick Batt, is it possible to ask Dave Spiers to do a Studio Tour? Like where he shows off all his synthesizers and instruments? That would be really awesome. Thanks for these videos, they are awesome!
I immediately pre-ordered one after the first sound video and saw the price point. This thing sounds amazing. I can't wait to pair this bad boy up with my Mother 32. So glad it has a separate A.C. adapter along with the micro USB and 5-pin MIDI & audio in/out, PLUS CV gate, etc... Can't wait to get mine!
"discrete componets" refers to surface mount or SMD electronic components. hand made electronics are traditionally made with larger "through hole" componets, but with surface mount you can fit a lot more cuircut into a smaller package.
Regarding the SE02, it is about as Roland as the V-Moda headphone is. They are merely putting their name on a Moog clone from a Moog clone company. The geniuses who made the TR-808 and Jupiter 8 are long gone. It is a nice device other than the scale of it. If you look at the pic when it has the Boutique keys attached, you will see the knobs are microscopic in scale.
I dnt want to be a nitpicker , but i agree with Nick and Ty , big fingers are not freinds of mini keys or small knobs and faders. A full size control panel would defo be welcome, but then thats another peice of gear to buy and have in the way (ish)if you like and, kind of misses the point of the boutiques. Still great little package .
Wow. A Minimoog Clone. How original! Did someone at Roland final wake up and realize that people are sick of virtual analog products, so they quickly threw a real analog product together to compete with Korg, Behringer, DSI, Waldorf, etc?
Joseph Wright Waldorf rarely makes anything analogue, and it's not exactly a Minimoog clone in the way the Behringer is. It was mostly made by SE, who make everything by hand, so it's doubtful it was "quickly thrown together", and Roland has been doing fine competing against everyone else. The Boutique and Aria range have sold quite a lot.
I'm not sure how it quite works out this way, but every time I get a new module for my Euro system, there is also a new Sonic TALK. Great thing to watch while shuffling around many things... :) EDIT: Dave, your shirt is outstanding.
How many analogue synths do you need? It is 2017, guys! Serious, what remains of the analogue part when you pass it trough a digital mixer, digital effects, etc...? I think it's been said enough, music is a creative evolution. I did a few tests with someone who knows the difference between analogue and digital. He could not spot the difference. I am preparing a new test to see if anyone can spot a real analogue vs a VA. My prediction will be, that 85% of the answers, will be wrong. Make music and have fun!
I'm not one to knock Roland for not being like Korg and giving us Analogue but i really think they have finally realised they missed the boat with the Boutique series, this is them back tracking and have added this new Boutique Designer series to shoehorn this analogue gear. and i cannot understand why they aren't doing it themselves, I'm sure the SE 02 will be great but why not keep it in house? anyway, Bring on Ty hehe
I will most certainly pick up an SE-02, it sounds great and I don't hate the form factor. Surprisingly, some people were complaining about pedigree and division of labor in the making of the SE-02, even though video mentions that Roland designed the circuit boards. I personally don't get the spin that working with Studio Electronics is due to something lacking in Roland. But I like most Roland gear, analog or not, And I find there seems to be a disconnect between synth fans who bash ACB and the high number of big name acts who use ACB based gear for real world gigs (Just saw a lovely performance on BBC Radio One of Paramore covering a Drake song, and they used an AIRA TR-8, favorite target of synth purists, and managed to make it through the song). But SE-02, yes, I'm in.
The ones that complain about Virtual Analog, I feel I feel is mostly people that sit and listen to the sound, and not the songs. And they seem to prefer to do it on a dryg signal... like that is how it was on the classic songs that featured the analog originals. I think ACB is convincing. In blind tests, where the order was random, I doubt, that those complaining would be anywhere near 100% if they had to guess, when played against any of the originals. I think the same is true for some other VA tech also. Some may have certain weakspots, but with a large enough pool of sounds played at random order, beeing able to identify one or two sounds wont help a lot in a blind test. Sometimes the digital emulations may not be completely convincing, but for muscicians that aren't locked down to studio location, it might work fine in a song on a gig, where people tend to be focused on the music rather than listening in on sounds. (but I'v been to electronic music shows, where some people seem to have been lost in listening to the sound rather than on the music... and some shows were rather non musical, so there was pretty much only sound to lsiten to)
+G Now THIS is funny. Aren't you the person that started spewing hate towards me on the Roland SE-02 video because I took a somewhat neutral stance on the synth. This is rich. Apparently people can't disagree and everyone has to have a uniform view ("It's analog therefore all those Roland synths I bought that were overhyped, overpriced, and underwhelming don't matter cause ANALOG!!!! eeee!") which is what you were going ape shit about. You can like Roland stuff all you want. Just like I can dislike Roland all I want. Isn't that neat? What a time to be alive.
Ty. Let me get this straight... Studio Electronics can literally take the guts out of a minimoog and resell it as their own in the Midimoog but that's okay because you like them. The SE-02 looks almost exactly like a Midimoog plus it has a ladder filter. But cross mod and presets makes it totally not a clone and no problem. But screw those thieving bastards at Behringer for attempting an affordable minimoog sound. Apparently it doesn't matter that it has polychaining, eurorack compatibility, CV I/O, More CV I/O (fan requested & implemented) but Behringer are just thieves and cloning hacks. The mental gymnastics on display is astounding. The list of minimoog and moog clones is growing every single day but behringer is somehow the bad guy. This is nuts! I'm glad high profile people with respected voices such as Rounik of Ask Audio are coming out against synth snobbery and hypocrisy. I cannot wait until these devices are out just so I don't have to hear this bologna anymore.
Haters hate 'cause Behringer gives everyone access to serious music making tools for little cash, so the loaded fools have even less of an excuse for rarely producing any music of any note.
This is a lot what happens with distortion pedals. 99% of them are modifications of DS-1, Tubescreamer, Fuzz, Big Muff, etc. and yet, people swear by the difference and even some people wanted to patent their "unique" circuits, with little success.
How are Behringer products so affordable? That's the question you need to ask. But who can blame Ty, Studio Electronics doesn't have a history of shamelessly ripping off other people's designs, they don't undercut all other vendors with rock bottom prices derived from low R&D costs and exploitatively cheap Chinese labor, and they don't ship products with poor quality control and disappear on customers after the sale is complete.
Let's see...Did Moog ever made an eurorack version of the Minimoog D? No. So, there's no ripoff here, to the point that Moog can't even claim trademark dressing. That's not a product they offer. If all Moog does is buy the parts and the pcb from china and assemble it in the US, sometimes with the cheapest parts they have, why are their products so expensive?
Because I'm touring (and festival season in general), my extra interfaces are out of the studio, as well as most of my mics (about 70 of them). And, I've been a little pressed for time to set up another Skype-friendly audio system. So, I have been using the MacBook Pro internal mic. Listening back (I can't hear it until after the show has run), it's sibilant and choppy. When I'm done touring, I'll set something nicer up.
Charles Reeves having you on the show is a pleasure Charles, if we got through Ty's wifi dilemma earlier in the year we should be able to withstand a bit of internal mac mic. Thanks for your contribution to the show regardless!
Even if they are lazy asses and hire other company to do it. Sure, SE has quite a bit of analog synth history, and so what? They speak as if Roland were total rookies in this field :)
You never get a straight currency conversion, as well as whatever import duty the UK puts on it, there's the VAT at 20% so your quite likely to get USD to GBP + around 30% on top
The old SSM2044 was a big 16-pin DIP package. The new ones are small surface-mount packages, and making a breakout board that takes the new pinout to the old is certainly possible, assuming they still have functionally the same pins. That would make it a simple plug-in replacement, though it would be a bit taller probably. I'd expect designing the breakout would be just 15 minutes of PCB design work and manufacturing them would add maybe a dollar to the cost.
Dave's new room looks about a thousand times more pleasant than the old one.
Dave running around his studio showing us his toys was great, I think there should be a Sonicstate Top Trumps episode where all the guys take turns to grab a synth and show it ;)
Hello guys, it's always a pleasure to listen to you talk/discuss about your favorite subjects.
As usual, greetings to the man Nick Batt, you are the greatest synth vlogger and I still wish you were my dad.
Hi Nick Batt, is it possible to ask Dave Spiers to do a Studio Tour? Like where he shows off all his synthesizers and instruments? That would be really awesome. Thanks for these videos, they are awesome!
Such a good show this week! Great episode guys!
I would love to have all these guys on a show every week it would be cool.
always a treat with dave and ty
And Charles!
Missed this live this week, just started video and already i'm excited, great panel and Dave's T-Shirt ;)
I immediately pre-ordered one after the first sound video and saw the price point. This thing sounds amazing. I can't wait to pair this bad boy up with my Mother 32. So glad it has a separate A.C. adapter along with the micro USB and 5-pin MIDI & audio in/out, PLUS CV gate, etc...
Can't wait to get mine!
Don't worry Dave! It looks like the remade SSM2044 chips can be used in old synths if you use a 16 pin SSOP-to-DIP adaptor.
Enjoyed this. Great guests. On a critical note of this show in general, someone is too much in love with their own voice without saying much really.
"discrete componets" refers to surface mount or SMD electronic components. hand made electronics are traditionally made with larger "through hole" componets, but with surface mount you can fit a lot more cuircut into a smaller package.
Regarding the SE02, it is about as Roland as the V-Moda headphone is. They are merely putting their name on a Moog clone from a Moog clone company. The geniuses who made the TR-808 and Jupiter 8 are long gone. It is a nice device other than the scale of it. If you look at the pic when it has the Boutique keys attached, you will see the knobs are microscopic in scale.
I never realised quite how massive the Kurzweil K250 is.
Personally i dont care if its discreet or intragted vcos, envelopes etc as long as its sounds boom , im on it . Great and intresting show guys :-)
Guys should be out August 16!
good show! dave, i had the exact same thought about creating a "new" memorymoog out of 6-8 of them.
case mod.
full size pots, port the controls and display out.
cant wait to try it
I dnt want to be a nitpicker , but i agree with Nick and Ty , big fingers are not freinds of mini keys or small knobs and faders. A full size control panel would defo be welcome, but then thats another peice of gear to buy and have in the way (ish)if you like and, kind of misses the point of the boutiques. Still great little package .
Your new place looks awesome Dave!
That whole foot tapping on Dave Spiers' side gets annoying fast, not only because it's audible, but because it makes the camera shake.
19:22 The Mini-Moog did not have continuously variable waveforms - it was just like SE has implemented it. Were you thinking of the Voyager?
any links to that Galaxsynth Pop Star Vocal emulation pack? cant find any more info on it?
heartofnoise.com/products/galaxynth/
Wow. A Minimoog Clone. How original! Did someone at Roland final wake up and realize that people are sick of virtual analog products, so they quickly threw a real analog product together to compete with Korg, Behringer, DSI, Waldorf, etc?
Joseph Wright Waldorf rarely makes anything analogue, and it's not exactly a Minimoog clone in the way the Behringer is. It was mostly made by SE, who make everything by hand, so it's doubtful it was "quickly thrown together", and Roland has been doing fine competing against everyone else. The Boutique and Aria range have sold quite a lot.
this time you were really funny, had a good laugh.
Wow, Dave Spiers' new space looks much more comfortable!
Thank you thank you!
I'm not sure how it quite works out this way, but every time I get a new module for my Euro system, there is also a new Sonic TALK. Great thing to watch while shuffling around many things... :)
EDIT: Dave, your shirt is outstanding.
How many analogue synths do you need? It is 2017, guys! Serious, what remains of the analogue part when you pass it trough a digital mixer, digital effects, etc...? I think it's been said enough, music is a creative evolution. I did a few tests with someone who knows the difference between analogue and digital. He could not spot the difference. I am preparing a new test to see if anyone can spot a real analogue vs a VA. My prediction will be, that 85% of the answers, will be wrong. Make music and have fun!
Great show as always, but the video/audio quality of Dave, Charles and Ty could be (alot) better.
Loved Daves gear parade!
+Ola Ljungars it was weird charles's audio a started out fine
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SE-02 .... can you do triplets with the sequencer as you can do on mother 32 ?
Dave's 'parade randomly'; so it's like Brucie's Generation Game then?!
Notes:
6:00 - Roland Boutique SE-02
25:51 - Sponsor/Contest
27:59 - SSM 2044 remake as SSI2144
37:00 - Dave Spiers’ flash random stuff
40:06 - Wavejunction plug
41:36 - Heart of Noise GalaXsynth Pop Stars Vol. 1
51:46 - Make music with anything
59:34 - Dedicated sound creation
1:05:27 - Closing remarks & Goodbyes
Other collaborations? DSI and Roland=Analog Poly
Please, have Kebu as guest in the show. Would be awesome. :)
I'm not one to knock Roland for not being like Korg and giving us Analogue but i really think they have finally realised they missed the boat with the Boutique series, this is them back tracking and have added this new Boutique Designer series to shoehorn this analogue gear. and i cannot understand why they aren't doing it themselves, I'm sure the SE 02 will be great but why not keep it in house? anyway, Bring on Ty hehe
SE-02 with 4 voice polyphony like the other boutiques, is that possible Roland for a little extra dough?
Nick. I think you said the SE-02 is different for its switched waveforms, but the minimoog does too. Maybe you were thinking of the Voyager?
`Your right, I guess I was thinking Sub 37 for some reason - it was hot.... Did I mention it? :-)
It is here too! hah. Not meaning to say it's not okay to make a mistake. :P
I want the boutique Oberheim collab ;)
Is the Roland se 2 100 % analog ? ( noise and effect included )
From what I can tell, only the delay is digital, but it can be removed completely from the signal path if you aren't using it
summer solstice, not equinox...
Is Dave nervously tapping his foot or something and knocking the desk with the mic on? Or is he having work done by some off-screen workman? :D
I think an uneven foot on the mixer stand may have been the culprit.... still setting up his room after all
I was only thinking, are they going to mention the SE 02? Now I feel stupid. How could you not?
I will most certainly pick up an SE-02, it sounds great and I don't hate the form factor. Surprisingly, some people were complaining about pedigree and division of labor in the making of the SE-02, even though video mentions that Roland designed the circuit boards. I personally don't get the spin that working with Studio Electronics is due to something lacking in Roland. But I like most Roland gear, analog or not, And I find there seems to be a disconnect between synth fans who bash ACB and the high number of big name acts who use ACB based gear for real world gigs (Just saw a lovely performance on BBC Radio One of Paramore covering a Drake song, and they used an AIRA TR-8, favorite target of synth purists, and managed to make it through the song). But SE-02, yes, I'm in.
The ones that complain about Virtual Analog, I feel I feel is mostly people that sit and listen to the sound, and not the songs. And they seem to prefer to do it on a dryg signal... like that is how it was on the classic songs that featured the analog originals.
I think ACB is convincing. In blind tests, where the order was random, I doubt, that those complaining would be anywhere near 100% if they had to guess, when played against any of the originals. I think the same is true for some other VA tech also. Some may have certain weakspots, but with a large enough pool of sounds played at random order, beeing able to identify one or two sounds wont help a lot in a blind test.
Sometimes the digital emulations may not be completely convincing, but for muscicians that aren't locked down to studio location, it might work fine in a song on a gig, where people tend to be focused on the music rather than listening in on sounds. (but I'v been to electronic music shows, where some people seem to have been lost in listening to the sound rather than on the music... and some shows were rather non musical, so there was pretty much only sound to lsiten to)
G i am more attracted to the Behringer D.
Jon Holstein the system 8 is about 96% accurate.
Def ill get one
+G Now THIS is funny. Aren't you the person that started spewing hate towards me on the Roland SE-02 video because I took a somewhat neutral stance on the synth. This is rich. Apparently people can't disagree and everyone has to have a uniform view ("It's analog therefore all those Roland synths I bought that were overhyped, overpriced, and underwhelming don't matter cause ANALOG!!!! eeee!") which is what you were going ape shit about. You can like Roland stuff all you want. Just like I can dislike Roland all I want. Isn't that neat? What a time to be alive.
Where's the recap?
YT took a long time to process the video, so our every helpful notes masker Marc the Darc must have been in bed by the time it was online.
I actually posted them roughly one hour after it came online, was a little preoccupied at that moment.
Didn't show up?
Ty. Let me get this straight... Studio Electronics can literally take the guts out of a minimoog and resell it as their own in the Midimoog but that's okay because you like them. The SE-02 looks almost exactly like a Midimoog plus it has a ladder filter. But cross mod and presets makes it totally not a clone and no problem. But screw those thieving bastards at Behringer for attempting an affordable minimoog sound. Apparently it doesn't matter that it has polychaining, eurorack compatibility, CV I/O, More CV I/O (fan requested & implemented) but Behringer are just thieves and cloning hacks.
The mental gymnastics on display is astounding. The list of minimoog and moog clones is growing every single day but behringer is somehow the bad guy. This is nuts! I'm glad high profile people with respected voices such as Rounik of Ask Audio are coming out against synth snobbery and hypocrisy. I cannot wait until these devices are out just so I don't have to hear this bologna anymore.
Haters hate 'cause Behringer gives everyone access to serious music making tools for little cash, so the loaded fools have even less of an excuse for rarely producing any music of any note.
This is a lot what happens with distortion pedals. 99% of them are modifications of DS-1, Tubescreamer, Fuzz, Big Muff, etc. and yet, people swear by the difference and even some people wanted to patent their "unique" circuits, with little success.
How are Behringer products so affordable? That's the question you need to ask. But who can blame Ty, Studio Electronics doesn't have a history of shamelessly ripping off other people's designs, they don't undercut all other vendors with rock bottom prices derived from low R&D costs and exploitatively cheap Chinese labor, and they don't ship products with poor quality control and disappear on customers after the sale is complete.
It's a buyer's market bro, let's not get misty eyed.
Let's see...Did Moog ever made an eurorack version of the Minimoog D? No. So, there's no ripoff here, to the point that Moog can't even claim trademark dressing. That's not a product they offer. If all Moog does is buy the parts and the pcb from china and assemble it in the US, sometimes with the cheapest parts they have, why are their products so expensive?
Space Dave!!
i don't understand how Charles Chicky with all that gear and can't make his microphone sound better. RIP my ears.
Because I'm touring (and festival season in general), my extra interfaces are out of the studio, as well as most of my mics (about 70 of them). And, I've been a little pressed for time to set up another Skype-friendly audio system. So, I have been using the MacBook Pro internal mic. Listening back (I can't hear it until after the show has run), it's sibilant and choppy. When I'm done touring, I'll set something nicer up.
Charles Reeves having you on the show is a pleasure Charles, if we got through Ty's wifi dilemma earlier in the year we should be able to withstand a bit of internal mac mic. Thanks for your contribution to the show regardless!
So all Roland has to do is release an analog synth and everybody's happy?? SIMPLETONS.
But the Boomstar crew are well respected so their involvement means a lot plus there are many of us out there that kinda must have a preset ability
Even if they are lazy asses and hire other company to do it. Sure, SE has quite a bit of analog synth history, and so what? They speak as if Roland were total rookies in this field :)
I'm not happy. Do we really need another mono synth?
It sounds like a monster though. Really gorgeous.
499$ for the SE -02 or £509 (!) - no thanks
You never get a straight currency conversion, as well as whatever import duty the UK puts on it, there's the VAT at 20% so your quite likely to get USD to GBP + around 30% on top
Thomann is reporting a price of 595€/525£ for brits. Dunno if that's helpful information.
I prefer the Behringer d form-factor.