GBS Control - An incredible video scaler for retro gaming! Build guide and demonstration
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Kindly sponsored by PCBWay - Get your first PCBs free! - www.pcbway.com/ Video scalers are an essential part of getting the best possible video from your retro consoles onto a modern display. Today there are many high quality video scaler options available, but now there is a DIY video scaler project that produces incredible results! On this week's Fix It Friday we will show you how to build a GBS Control, an open source hack of the GBS8200 video scaler!
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Resources:
GBS Control GitHub/Wiki: github.com/ram...
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Parts:
GBS 8200: amz.run/4lVG
ESP8266 WiFi module: amz.run/4lVH
Clock Generator: amz.run/4lVJ
VGA to HDMI adapter: amz.run/4lVO
Power Supply: amz.run/4lVN
SCART Port: amz.run/4lVM
Power switch: amz.run/4lVL
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I watched voultar's video, but he never addressed how to add scart. This fills in the gaps nicely. Subscribed
Also, do you sell that 3D printed case?
Thanks, glad that you enjoyed the video! And yes, I do sell the case
Did you end up doubleing the sm capacitor in four places like voultar?
@@LIRetroGaming Where can I buy the case and how much is it?
You should also remove C11 to stabilize the image and add the power supply bypass capacitors to reduce the ripple, as the processor is using the clock generator.
Hi! What are those capacitors? Numbers please? Thanks!
@@TuMalaCon100ciait’s in voultar’s video. Just look that up
I used your guide to replace the dvd laser on my fat PS2 I got for free (works like new now). Just ordered everything to make an GBS Control. Going to follow your guide! Cannot wait!
How much?
I love your videos, and I learn sooo much!
The only thing I would LOVE added: what gauge wire do you use for the different tasks?
For someone(like me lol) who is learning as much as possible, this would help SOOO much!
Thanks for always sharing your time with us!! =]
Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed it! The smaller wire I used is called 30 gauge kynar wire, and the larger wire is 28 gauge copper stranded wire. Thanks again and I hope this helps!
@@LIRetroGaming TOTALLY helps! :) Thank YOU again!!
@@LIRetroGaming Hi there, do you have the 3d printer file (STL)??? i love that case format
Damn I followed your video to build mine and it seems you didn't solder the clock generator on the right pins xD, I thought I did something wrong and yes in fact, I followed exactly what you did hahah, thanks for the video !
Love your soldering music! Nice!
This music is from an arcade game called Strider. Definitely check it out when you get a chance!
Level 2 music followed by Level 1. One of my fave games ever. Megadrive port was really good too. Nice 👍
I attempted to build a gbs control today. I thought the hardware side was simple enough but time consuming. Kind of struggled finding the correct pins etc. And removing those pots took way longer than I care to reveal. But what truly broke me was the arduino programming part. I'm assuming my board is either faulty or I'm way out of my depth. Either way, I couldn't connect to upload the program. But the usb was connecting and the board was recognized. Anyway, I've decided to rebuild with a socketed arduino next time, and I'm ordering a well known brand at least. Thanks for the detailed video!
This is subjectively better than the OSSC if you’re playing games that constantly switch resolution and use interlaced signals. The OSSC’s line doubler really does look nice for pixel games but adds a pixelated effect over 3D games. I use the GBSC into an OSSC for the best of both. My mega drive and snes go directly into the OSSC but my Saturn, dreamcast, ps1 and ps2 go into the GBSC. I output them video through VGA at 480p and upscale 2x using the OSSC. That seems to be the sweet spot for me but ultimately I do this purely to convert the interlaced signal using the GBSC, not for a clean image but for a consistent one. Handles great with the elgato 4K.
You my friend are a true artist..... I love watching you work. Sadly this build is slightly beyond my skill level. 😭 I was able to order every part you listed but now I'll have to find a local nerd with a high level of soldering skills. 😅
Yes I’m sure you can find someone local that can help with this. I would say it’s an intermediate level project so not too difficult
Not too dificult. Just get head magnifier and temperature adjusting soldering iron.
I did one like this few months ago
Just try it, you will learn more if you do it your self and next time it will be easier
You always learn by doing! No artist avoids mistakes! Every "nerd" has messed something up, every chef has cut themselves, every painter has ruined a canvas.... You just have to start where YOU feel comfortable!
Someone else said this too but, grab a head magnifier!! They help soo much! Nothing fancy, 2x, 2.5x, 3x all fine! JUST GET ONE WITH AS LIGHT! That is more important than most!
You’ll all get there eventually.
A little trick you can do in order to never have to touch the audio jack going ito the HDMI connector (like when using component video) is to use a composite to SCART adapter and use the audio jacks of that adapter :)
You should probably reposition your ESP module as the main GBS chip is known to cause interference to the wifi signal when in close proximity to the ESP.
Thanks, that was not something I was aware of
Thanks for the vid!. Have a look at the really cheap and small RGB2HDMI adapter that uses a Raspberry Pi Zero. For just $5 and some change you can get a great result.
Thanks! That is definitely something I have heard about and I want to learn more
Whats the parts to purchase? :D already have a RGB2HDMI but what and how should I do? - Thanks
Its Project Wiki should give you some insight as to what's required.
doesn't work with consoles
Wow. As long as you don't mind putting in the work to put it together yourself, this is by far the best value retro upscaler for the vast majority of people.
The Retrotink 2X Pro and OSSC are so much more expensive that the work you have to put in to put one of these together seems well worth it and would be very rewarding once it's finished. Or, even if you are looking for a fully assembled GBS-C, I have seen them on Aliexpress for around 70 USD including shipping. Just a good quality SCART or component cable can cost about that much or even more sometimes though T_T
Can you do a video on how to make and shield your own component cables, RGB cables, and/or SCART cables? :D
Hello, it is an interesting project but I have some questions. In my opinion, the reason for using a scaler is not only to enlarge the image but also to generate an image (on LED TVs) that looks like the one We see on a CRT. I know this scaler can perform some type of scanline simulation. If this simulation is done well it can be interesting (that is, not only adding a black line but correctly simulating the blurring of the "pixels")... BUT, I AM MORE INTERESTED in DITHERING replication. The SEGA Megadrive/Genesis consoles exploited the presence of dithering in their composite video output to achieve transparency effects or an apparent palette expansion. From the same megadrive connector we can extract an RGB signal (scart) that has greater clarity, but loses the dithering, which is taken into account and used to generate visual effects. Does this scaler have a setting that allow us to recreate the dithering?. Using this scaler, do megadrive games look like they do on a CRT? Do we have transparencies and color gradients again?
Really great, video. Thanks for covering this.
Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed it! Definitely a fun project to make for yourself
This is a good guide & I've just done this mod myself (2 years later), however it looks to me like you've wired the clock generator SCL & SDA to pins 26 & 27 instead of 26 & 25 on the Myson Controller MTV230? I think they should line up with R10 & R37 next to it.
Hey man, thanks for the video.
My browser and my ISP is reporting the links to the products as not safe, I would recommend changing them
Unless he changed the links since you posted this comment, they are Amazon links and perfectly safe
I've had a thought of a project to run video into the camera input on a Raspberry Pi and then out the HDMI. This seems like a cheaper idea, tho. Edit: Actually, I found a project that takes RGB to HDMI using a Raspberry PI Zero WH. Have you heard of it?
Love the Strider BGM. :-)
I am lucky enough to have access to an original Strider arcade and I have been playing the hell out of it lately :-)
@@LIRetroGaming It's great; one of my fav old school Capcom games.
That is nuts!
Also where can I find the box files so I can 3D print it or do you have a ready -made solution available
Once again superb video
Hello there is an option to add an optic encoder and a mini oled display. You think you can update the video to include those? Also the ui has been updated I think.
Nice little project.
Thanks for showing how to connect up a scart connector. I was wondering if it's possible to attach a composite device with your setup? I've got a stock nes and a laserdisc player that I'd like to try upscaling. Also does the front port accept vga?
Hi there! do you have another tutorial how to solder all the wire points for the female scart port? I'm having a hard time understanding how to do, the video was way too fast when you was doing it and also I noticed you soldered certain points that didn't match the wiring diagram unless I am blind lol I GBS Control but I did not do the scart port yet. I tried looking on other sites too and did not find much info. also the LIRG Expo 2022 was amazing!
Would either a 12v DC 500mA power supply or a 7-25V 130mA power supply work?
Great video! Much easier to follow compared to other tutorials I've seen on youtube. Quick question. I'm interested in using one of these for downscaling of 480P consoles to 240P. Any clue if the clock generator is necessary for that or is the clock generator mainly helpful for upscaling only?
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! No, I don’t believe that the clock modification is necessary for the downscaling. But overall I strongly recommend including it because it does make a big difference with image stability, regardless of whether you’re upscaling or downscaling
@@LIRetroGaming okay, good to know. Thanks
Probably off topic, but what's the nes game shown @14:35? It looks like a megaman hack. Is it right?
Very nice project , guess it’s time to buy a temp control soldering iron
It’s definitely a good investment, and they are also not that expensive
Maybe I missed it, but where did you get the case?
It’s a modification of a case that is available on thingiverse. I actually forgot that I was going to upload this so that people can use the design. I will put that on thingiverse today and add a link in the description
Great, thank you!
@@LIRetroGaming hi, great video, I didn't thought about the scart female connector, it's a great idea. Would you mind sharing about the case ? Is it 3d printed? Thank you
@@LIRetroGaming I was having a look on thingiverse but couldn't find your design, just wanted to check if you uploaded it there? thanks
I made the gbs control using your video and it works perfect How to make scart rgbs cables for snes and other consoles. I followed couple schematics but having issues to display it properly either its purplish or to dim with wrong colors using the rgbhv/component toggle in gbs control menu.
Making scart RGB cables is a actually pretty complicated topic, and you need different things for each console. I would suggest getting cables from insurrection industries, retrogamingcables, or retro access
@@LIRetroGaming i did try couple cable but nothing seems to work with gbs and someone recommended that you do need a sync stripper and get your sync from composite in order to make it work with gbs
Do you have the STL file for the 3D printed case? is it in thingiverse?
Do you think covering the heatsink is a good idea?
What is the NES game at 14:43?
Men! thanks for the video, I really want that case, can you link the file for the 3d printer? greetings from Chile :D
Great video! Can GBS-Control HDMI output 1080p passthrough through component cable (if I'm using, e.g. Wii U)?
I’m not sure, I haven’t tried that yet
Is it absolutely necessary to remove the pots?
Nice unit.
I think it's a newer framemister then anything. Because there is a tad of lag. Less then the framemister. Thou i don't notice any lag on my framemister ether.
Kinda weird you gotta modify it like that like it's a mode chip for a system.
This unit seems awsome. I like how fast it switches resolutions.
retrotink 5x is pretty good also. I saw some video's of it upscaling 480i/p very well.
I am waiting on the OSSC pro thou. Hope it turns out better then the rest. I hear they will put some FPGA cores on it also. Will make up for systems without rgb like nes. For cores id rather just use a mister or a analogue product if you got a collection. You'll of course be able to attach a real one of course.
GBSControl is way faster than the Framemeister. It has less than 1 frame of lag. They're not even close.
The retrotink isn't comparable though because of the huge price gap (more than 250€ of gap)
Hey bro, may be you can help me with my challenge? I need to convert RGBS signal 480x234 to ordinar composite CVBS, will this board help me in couple with VGA-CVBS converter?
Do you have instructions on how to add an S-Video input?
So I bought a BitFunx GBS-C, here's my review:
When you can actually get it to show an image; it's great. Other times I'll be switching presets and resolutions back and forth over and over, until the mode that I know worked previously, actually works. Sometimes turning it off, and then back on, works. Basically, it's a buggy piece of shite, and I'm quite disappointed. Too good to be true. Used with PS2, Wii and Xbox Original via a component switch box, and a PS1 via SCART. Also, it really ought to come with a detailed instruction manual, which it doesn't.
Bitfunx is known to produce poor quality products and they also steal from other creators. A properly made GBS C should work much better than that
What kind of cable do you need to connect component audio to the adapter?
You need a 3.5mm to rca converter cable
I just saw this was a similar question to mine with component audio but it sounds like he's going HDMI out. I'm assuming more specifically the adapter he wants is 3.5mm male to two RCA female adaptor. I know this seems obvious if you look at the plug, but the y adapter is a more common cable (with all pointy cable ends).
Hey, nice work!
I got a little question: I have a ps2 with just the composite video out (the yellow one) and two others for sound (L & R). Can i use my ps2 with that exact build or is there a different version/way for composite?
Thanks in advance!
You can totally use this with the ps2, but you would need the ps2 component cables with it. It has five cables (red, green, blue, red, and white)
@@LIRetroGaming Thank you very much for your insanely fast response!
Yeah that's what i thought.. Time to buy a few component cables then.. :D
Where's the link to the wiring diagram for the scart port? It's not in the description.
Oh I forgot to add that! I’ll fix that asap
@@LIRetroGaming thank you. I was looking for a way to put scart on the gbs easily and the video was very helpful.
No problem, glad I could help! I plan to upload the 3-D printed case as well and I should have that out in a few days
@@LIRetroGaming Super video. Did you manage to get the case design up I wonder? Kind regards Luke
the gbs control supports the 720p native output for original xbox?
I think it allows 720p to pass through
what can i do if my com port is on PCI standard ISA bridge
I have a green screen. I checked the welds, everything looks ok. Any idea? Nice video!!
Only green? So the console shows up but no red or blue?
@@LIRetroGaming Yes! The image is there, but only Green. Scart Cable, Sync on luma on a Playstation 2.
what is the music from at 6:36 and also what game is being played at 14:35? thank you. i am in the process of making one of these to get my wrestlefest board to work on a new wrestlefest cabinet replica i am making for the shop :)
6:36 the music is from the first level of the arcade version of Strider.
14:35 the game is Little Samson for NES.
Très intéressant et intelligent
Hello ! I just made this mod and I'm interested in printing the case. Could you share the link to the stl file ? Thanks and congratulations!
Thanks! You can reach me at my website and I can help
@@LIRetroGaming In fact I found the box on thingiverse yesterday. I already have programmed the esp8266 and it seems to be fine. One more project almost finished :)
I will probably enhance the box to install a 220v mini plug (radio style) and a 5v power supply inside.
Thanks
@@eldontyrellcorp Which version did you find? I'm looking into this as well
@@superkaes There are many versions indeed and I ended up modifying one of the boxes to suit my needs (the one with a hole for an oled screen) using tinkercad.
Do you know if S-Video can be accepted through the SCART or VGA port via some kind of passive adapter?
No, unfortunately the only signals I can understand are RGB and component video
any link for disolder tools please
What awg of wire is begin used and where?
Mostly I used 28 gauge copper stranded wire and the smaller wire you see in a few places is 30 gauge kynar wire
I’ve noticed you didn’t add any extra capacitors on top of some existing ones like Voultar does. Must not be necessary
I would have to see his video, but I trust his work. The caps may be needed, depending on how the gbscontrol is used
Really wish it did hdmi down to rgb scart
It can as long as the hdmi is 480p
Assuming you have a component video game setup like myself and go component in to gbs-aio, do you bypass this scaler entirely and go right into the tv with audio if I'm going component out to a crt?
This device would not really be that useful for a CRT, unless you’re trying to downscale 480 P content into 240 P content
Thanks for the response. I was attempting to downscale to 240p for some oddball games on newer systems. It seems like I would have to breakout the audio separately from the scaler. I like to use component switches for my setup so I'm trying to simplify and navigate the clutter, make best use of inputs outputs available. My ideal scaler is the retrotink 5x it probably seems like.
Cool
nice
What about a video downscaler for 240p on a CRT?
The GBS control can do that - My life in gaming has a video about it
Why do you use HiLetgo ESP8266 instead of ESP8266 Mini Shield D1 ?
When I made this video, that was the module I could get my hands on at the time
@@LIRetroGaming Oh ok ok I thought that maybe was because of something, aslo I saw that some people do the mod with GBS 8220 which haves double VGA output but it requires some tweaks to make it work correctly.
Where can I get the stl file for the case
I’m struggling to find the link, but it is on thingiverse
could you make a s video in put or composite ?
No unfortunately this is only RGB or component
when i have my og xbox plugged in via component the screen keeps glitching every so often , any ideas ?
I’m not sure why that’s happening
@@LIRetroGaming I’m wondering if it’s the component cables as ps2 works great
It was the cable I made a diy cable from a xbox360 component cable works great now !
question, any suggestion where to buy the 3d printed case?
We can make one for you, just send an email to info@1uprestorations.com
@@LIRetroGaming thats rad! thanks
Hi,how to connect the original xbox to GBS? with scart?
You can use component or SCART
Any issues with the OG Xbox and 720p passthrough with the GBS-Control?
I just tried it actually and I didn’t have any issues with that
@@LIRetroGaming Cool thank you! I appreciate that test. Was that just with standard component cables?
The CASE. Where do I get it? Thanks.
I can make one for you or you can also get the file from thingiverse
I've used the GBS Board only with the ESP8266 for a while
Last month, I installed clockgen. and now GBS board does not respond (GBS Control firmware log says "GBS Board not responding!" every time I click a preset option
SDA & SCL are NOT swapped...
Anyone knows if it is a hardware damage? or something else?
Not sure what that could be. What happens if you uninstall the clock?
@@LIRetroGaming issue persists without clock
Seems like there's an issue on the controller chip or on the SDA/SCL traces
how does it stand against the retro think 2x pro? or the 5x?
Personally I think it’s a better option than the 2X for component video and it also gives you connections for RGB. But the 5X is definitely better
@@LIRetroGaming thank you for the reply I will look into this little gadget , awesome video as always
How much for a built and completed one?
You can find Georges listing for it here - 1uprestorations.com/collections/pre-modded-consoles/products/gbs-control
Hi there, do you have the 3d printer file (STL)??? i love that case format
You can just run rgb from a console to that converter and use vga out. Just solder the wires from the scart cable to the rgb connections
Hi, Everyone, Im getting hard time trying to get audio from the SCART connector :( can anyone please point to me on which pins should I connect the Audio Wiring, is in 2,4 and 6 or is in 1,3 and 4 ??? Im geeting audio if I connect it to 2,4 and 6 but very low volume even when my amp is at max volume :( Any suggestion
You can find the pinout here www.retrorgb.com/scart-to-jp21-adapters.html
Fucking awesome!!!, Thanks!
I love my GBS Control, its AMAZING for hooking up my Scart RGB Consoles to a CRT Monitor. I really don't like it when paired with the vga to HDMI Adapter.
I feel that the OSSC is far superior for going to HDMI
What video connection are you using on the CRT Monitor?
@@FragBenitez VGA
the VGA to HDMI adapter is just digitizing the signal. It isn't adding anything (including interference)
What you see through it is exactly what you'd see when using the VGA output on its own.
Hi I can play with vga for dreamcast without problems? (because scart mod)
VGA from a dreamcast should work with the gbscontrol
Can you please tell me where I can get the print file for the case?
www.thingiverse.com/thing:4827159
@@LIRetroGaming thank you
Where can i get the black box ?
You can get it at 1uprestorations.com
what about the case?
www.thingiverse.com/thing:3913273
@@LIRetroGaming i need to buy it in italy.... :\
Where can u get the case for this mod ?
There is a version of it on thingiverse and you can also get my version from my website
@@LIRetroGaming i see them all on thingverse but i dont have access to a printer sadly and ones i found had funky colors thats tacky to me... love to find one thats already made just all black. thanks tho
Yeah I can certainly make you one. Just message me on my website and I can take care of it
I get wavy lines across the screen
That sounds like you’re getting some kind of interference. Or maybe a bad power supply? Hard to say for sure
@@LIRetroGaming I tried several power supplies, same issue. Is there anything I can do?
Sadly, i try a Lot of time to make it work and it still didn't. I think it's Arduino board, but i'm not really sure.
It’s most likely the Arduino board. Did you get a successful compilation of the code?
@@LIRetroGaming yes, it compile. but doesn't work anyway. i think the arduino board is broken because when its connect to the pc, it did not recognise. i will try with another model but if still not work, i will give up (sorry about mi English, it's not good, but a i think it's readeble🤣🤣)
Yes, your English is quite good 😊 That does sound like the Arduino and I hope getting a replacement is what will solve the problem!
I just cant understand how i would plug my NES on this thing...
First your NES would have to be modified for RGB video. Then you could use either a SCART cable or a HD retro cable to connect the system to this scaler
@@LIRetroGaming Thank you Mr. =)
No stl files?
www.thingiverse.com/thing:3913273
@@LIRetroGaming I'm late to the party, but I wanted to say THANKS for the video, but that case you linked to is not the same one that you used. The one you linked to has extra ports for an oled screen and some giant knob. I don't suppose you actually know where to get the proper STL? Thanks again!
shame the BOM is almost $200 now