reaper of wallets was the last expo for d3...everyone knew that immortal was going to be p2w. all mobile games are p2w. they want to tap into the billion dollar market with games like these by sacrificing their brand names for a quick buck.
Nah they need to be more specific credit cards "don't you guys have credit cards" gotta make them feel guilty for not having credit cards. You may have a wallet but not a credit card
Asmongold: "You know how you can tell if a game is pay to win?" Me from Belgium: "If Blizzard doesn't even bother RELEASING the game in your country because random microtransactions are prohibited by law."
So basically as a free to play player, I'm only ever going to have a "lite" version of the game, never being able to recieve anywhere even close to the full experience?
You can have a good time, do you. But know that most of these games have built in "walls" like Asmon said. Your game experience will be made intentionally worse to get you to pay to skip the grind.
Even splurging $20-30 (or whatever the cost of an average mobile game from a big company is nowadays ) in In App Purchases isn't enough to get even a fraction of the "full experience".
The more I learn about the game the more I'm baffled by how they thought announcing this on the big stage was a good idea. The only appropriate feeling to a legendary franchise like Diablo coming to this is disgust
@@Kaiesis congratulations on being the 10 millionth person to make that stupid ass take! please leave the premises and dont forget your complementary boot leather on your way out!
Man Blizzard spent 10x more time working on their P2W system than they did working on the game. Like, imagine how fun this game perhaps could be if these things were reachable by normal players through normal gameplay. What a joke.
People at Raven/Beenox/whatever have a team dedicated to just making flashy splash screens and animations for the CoD Warzone MTX shop. So I'm not at all surprised.
@Tradious Attitudes like “they’re a business so they should be expected to try and make as much money as possible by making their games as p2w as possible is why we have dogshit games flooding the market nowadays. When there are enablers like you it makes everything worse for everyone.
@@TheDogmam12 Might see a difference? If everyone did that they'd have literally no one playing their game which means they wasted a lot of money developing it. Haha its disgusting how people fall for this stuff and play it. They're like bugs getting attracted to a bug trap
@@TheDogmam12 that's the thing. There will be literally thousands of player that will spent thousands of $ for this game, and there will be a few hundred that spent tens of thousands $ and a few tens that spent $$$$. And the worst part is, those people are proud to do that.....
When I worked at Blizzard EU before the decimation of 2018, I remember a mantra being spread from J. Allan Brack in the various company wide communications that "Blizzard was to become the Blizzard of mobile gaming!" and it sounded like this was to become the new main priority of the company at the time. Back then we thought it meant to bring some balance to mobile gaming with some good games in the sea of gacha games, but it seems now they meant doubling down on the industry practices of predatory monitization in mobile gaming.
The problem is that mobile gaming is unimaginable larger than any other gaming medium. For every commenter here there are a thousand people not giving a single fuck or simply not even conceptualizing what pay to win is in any form. They just have a phone that has a game where you can spend 10$ dollars on whatever. This is why "respectable" developers simply don't care about your opinion. You don't matter since the average asian mobileman will outpay you.
@@DELZOR Ye, and here's an interesting angle from me. Google and Apple can infact double down on these guys, like they literally have to say "When you publish your app on our store, you cannot bring in gambling mechanics" or something like that, but since they tax all purchases, they would never do that. The Epic vs Google and Apple case now wants them to allow sideloading/external purchases which would lower Gapple's income and present even greater opportunities for these gachas, worse yet, gapple may become more resilient from ever removing gambling. I support Epic's take on this but we need gov.s to step in this mess before it becomes the norm and there are more approvers to these predatory acts than opposers.
What's so crazy about this is that raid shadow lands (I know) has different "chests" but even the 2nd lowest "chest" makes it so nothing lower than a 3* can drop, you can't even get a 1* or 2* in the ptw options. Which means blizzard is somehow greeedier than raid shadow legends
I miss the old days of just paying 15$ a month for a subscription to a Blizzard Game or just paying once for buying the game and that meant all the content was available to you. The "free games" almost always end up being a money pit.
I share your sentiment, I to miss it to. Also it was a healthier environment to make games, setting a burn rate and start work, release, get paid, repeat. Now you have so many games developers going for that steady stream of income to found other projects, but the other projects just becomes just as uninspired. My best guess is, that it's hard for a developer company to switch between making a good game and thinking about optimal ways to abuse players outside the game. To me it's watching creativity getting strangled at 300/300mbs, with single minded gratification getting crueler and crueler...
I grew up playing WarCraft 2: Tides of Darkness and the first Diablo, StarCraft, WoW, and it really is a genuine disappointment that a developer like that has become another cash-cow. I remember reading through the manuals just to absorb Chris Metzen's art and the storylines... I don't know, it just sucks that this is a Blizzard product.
I'm in a similar boat, and hey, they DID remaster Diablo 2 and StarCraft Brood War. Sounds like small side projects, but they really weren't. It's like Blizzard has one faction genuinely devoted to good games and keeping good games alive, and another just about the profit potential.
Same. I remember how revered Blizzard was when they were at the top of their game. Everything they touched was gold. They could do no wrong. Now look at them. It's sad and pathetic.
Alright, It took making my favorite franchise ever a p2w gacha to finally make me say with confidence: We need laws and regulations for casino monetization in gaming, period. Everywhere. Not just in Belgium and the Netherlands, but worldwide. Every government should form a "ministry of p2w" and make this manipulative, predatory dogshit so unprofitable for companies that they stop doing it. Let's go back to selling cosmetics and vanity items, and stop this plague that makes all games worse by default and traps people into burning their money for absolutely nothing in return. "Just don't spend any money if you don't want to" doesn't fly for me at this point, because games do not cater to that mindset anymore.
@@Thecultofwrestling b-b-b-but my beloved video game! How could they!! I want everything to cater to me!! We need rules and regulations made by the highest level of government for this one video game because I don't like it!!!!!!!
I don't know if I am more sad or mad about how they have ruined all my beloved childhood gaming franchises. I cannot express how much I hate todays Blizzard
The worst thing they had done was the WC3 Remake so you can't even play the original anymore. Making a bad new game is one thing, but completly destroying a existing game wich you had payed for is just beyond disgusting. Fuck Blizzard i hope their greed will make Diablo Immortal a disaster.
@@JamieR WHAAAT? WHAAAAT? YOU SUGGEST THE LOGICAL THING? HELL NAW , WE WILL JUST KEEP THROWING MONEY AT THEM WHILE CRYING ABOUT THE PAY TO WIN GARBAGE THEY SHIT OUT EVERY NOW AND THEN!
Games like this really sell the value of services like Apple Arcade, Gamepass, and Google Play Pass. A pittance every month; hundreds of complete, high quality games.
The best way to actually "vote with your wallet" is to help family and friends who do have gambling addictions and who are whaling games to stop. Those people's "wallets" are worth a hundred times more than your average player's wallets as far as Blizzard is considered. Help them to find other hobbies, get therapy for any mental distress they may be in, and hopefully eventually, get them to a point where they can delete the game. Sunk cost fallacy is real, so that last step is not likely to be feasible for most whales. However, one can at least disrupt an actual relevant portion of these p2w game's revenue streams while helping people who genuinely need help.
the fact actiblizzard is doing this with one of their most beloved and established titles is what really takes it over the top. if they really wanted to get into the mobile/gambling/scammer market, they could've easily created a brand new IP for it and left their established ones clean and untouched. but then that's not why activision bought blizzard, is it? and apparently it's not why microscam bought them either.
Blizzard is done with making good games. Same as most other companies. Consumers love this PayToWin stuff. If they didn't, they wouldn't play these games, but they throwing their money at companies. Why would Blizzard care if they can make more money out of mobile game in one year than compared to WoW they worked for a decade. Minimum effort, maximum profit. Money talks. Blame players who keep supporting this style of game development.
not every . there are game like league of legends mobile wild rift where you only spend for cosmetics and there are few other games but yeah all games that have p2w are trash games in the first place and I have no idea who plays them in the first place.
@@aidasmatulaitis5175 any gacha games with PvP is instantly P2W, as every new unit introduced will definitely powercreep and urged players to pay to get them because by design hoarding cannot get you every unit possible in game. The only acceptable design for gacha game is PvE based only, and all contents can be cleared with lowest rarity units. Yes Im talking bout Arknights... and I am also eyeing on the new game by same dev, Arknights: Endfield... there's very few games in gacha space that actually design a game with paying as form of optional/donation system...
@@migueltucabron Probably always intended to be obscenely pay 2 win. The game was basically fully ''asian style'' except the diablo asthetic ever since the beginning leaks weeks after it was announced. There is almost no phone game that isn't insanely pay 2 win. It was gonna be worse if the leaks from years ago were true. It was literally outsourced to an asian company that mass produces Gacha ARPG games via copy pasting models.
The fact that Mike Ybarra was defending this game all the time on twitter, saying its not P2W at all, really just shows how gone the company is, even with a leader that everyone respected. Yes its a mobile game, but there is plenty of other ways to monetize it that doesnt affect actual gameplay, like cosmetics. Gating players with massive pay walls is just pure shamelessness, because you literally wont be able to compete in this game without spending thousands of dollars. At least most mobile games allow to play their games F2P for the most part, but that wont be a thing in this game.
I may be wrong, but I always thought "getting your foot in the door" originally referred to the salesman literally putting his foot in the crack of the door so it couldn't be immediately slammed on him, allowing him to pitch the sale.
You’d be wrong. This game would be banned so fast. China clamps down hard on video games especially if there’s things that can be considered gambling or requiring excessive amounts of time. You’re legally only allowed to play online games for 2 hrs a week in China.
I really hope the backlash for blizzard will be so hard, that they’ll pull it off of the appstores and basically delay it again. It’s insane to see such malicious attempts to throw that at players and call it a game.
@@risingblur770 I wouldn’t call it a tame approach if you’re supposed to spend a hundred grand on the BiS gear. And basically no way of ever getting anything good without spending money. That’s malicious and the reason I won’t even touch the game.
How is it even legal for companies to pull sht like this, 6 figures??? that's MENTAL, The Netherlands and Belgium are absolutely right, this should be banned EVERYWHERE.
Or You know, You could not pay and just play. I've playing for a couple hours now and the game is super fun. The problems start when Your goal in the game is to collect some gems :D
You know what would make the resonance armor appearances much cooler? if you couldn't just throw money at the game to get it. if it was a symbol of your dedication to the grind and how much you love the game, it would be much cooler. instead of just being a symbol of how much money you wasted.
I like Zack, I think his takes are very intelligent and on point. I hate that he is going to play this, and take with him a majority of his audience. Alot of whom will pay at least some amount of money, some who will pay alot. Yes it's content and he will make more money than he spends by doing it, but things are getting worse every year and just wish all the community leaders would take a stand.
Zack literally does not care about money. He will play it, he will pay alot of money and he will definetly hate on the cashshop in videos. The main market for games like this is Asia, especially China. If Zack decides to not play it cause its p2w, it does not impact Blizzards revenue at all.
@@Zamki13 Yes it does. How much is a matter of debate, but if he spends even a dollar it affects their revenue. He'll spend a few thousand, his audience together will spend probably a few hundred times that. Drop of water in the ocean perhaps, but it also feeds engagement and players in the western world. If China wants this type of game, fine, but if we could make it bad enough that they don't bother even releasing games like this in the western world we'd be better off.
@@Inshokuten69 but asmon is if u realized he really doesn't care bout morals and p2w shit. He doesn't like it sure but the gain from content is way more than the cost for him.
please don't play this game. even if you want to be a whale in a new release. please don't. there are so many other microtransaction games like this. just let diablo immortal flop. PLEASE DON'T SPEND MONEY ON THIS. please please please please. DIABLO WAS FUN BECAUSE OF DROPS AND THE POSSIBILITY OF DROPS FOR YOUR PURCHASE PRICE. THAT'S WHAT MADE IT FUN.
You can whine and complain all you want. You are not the target audience for this game. Don't forget that. This game will thrive and set download records without you. China and Asia will absolutely whale the shit out of this game.
I can't stop laughing at Asmo's facial expression when he hears about these predatory P2W mechanics and his brain is still processing it ( how the fuck is that even possible to be this blatant ? ).
How shall we win the audience back? A heartfelt single player game? Something that pushes the concepts of ARGPs or RTSs? No! I know. How about a shitty mobile game, with P2W, and gacha loot boxes. BRILLIANT!!!
They dont care about their fans they want a new audience they want the **tarded asian mobile gamers to like it. Like everything today its made for asians not us.
The problem is that they give 'Unlimited' purchase warranty for the crystals and for people who F2P earn none through standard play. There's no throttle for P2W, it's demanded, or you lose.
@@__________8997 Can assure you, Genshin Impact is pretty F2P-friendly. The game progression is incredibly fair even for F2Ps where even the P2Ws have to farm alot for good gear, the character and weapon rolls have a pity system to allow you to get them eventually and even in the battle pass, there are only a few weapons that are not the best in slot for any of the characters, just simply competes with the other weapons that are easier to obtain (of course this depends on the characters themselves). Hell, even the end-game is doable with multiple kinds of teams and without spending a single buck. P2W is really for those who like to be competitive simply and want to break the game with big numbers.
@@__________8997 Do take note that Genshin Impact took a progression that'll probably last atleast 6+ years, would you rather pay for all of its new continents a like 60 dollars or would you rather optionally pay to play with certain characters and with certain weapons while having access to literally all the quests and stuff free of charge? Of course I'm one who is against gacha systems and I absolutely can't stand them, Genshin though is so far the only one that doesn't make me feel like I'm severely limited in options atleast and can even enjoy the full game if I want to without weeks or months of grinding P2Ws would usually be able to skip through (yet here, they can't really).
42:00 You are very American centric there. Plenty of countries where university is free and there's no college tuition and healthcare is free and taxes are relatively high and people pay their fair share and people help each other. Greed isn't an evolved trait, it's a learned trait. If anything ancient humans were more communal and sharing than we are. There's fossils of ancient humans who lived relatively long lives with major disabilities that would have made them unable to care for themselves. They lived so long because others took care of them. There's a find of a 20 year old girl, who had severely atrophied bones likely due to an illness in her childhood. She lived to 20 and one of the other things they noticed was that her teeth had several cavities, likely from eating too many sweets. Because she was cared for and her family were trying to cheer her up with sweets. She wasn't abandoned to the wolves. The individualistic me before everyone else attitude is very much a cultural thing that has run rampant in the US, but that's not the case everywhere.
In this society we live in, they want to give the common people the least amount of free quality time as humanly possible. Keeping your face in front of a computer/cellphone screen isn't it.
Well said - I was going to comment in a similar way. Very American - thankfully other western countries aren't , so far, going down the American style rabbit hole. Australia has just dodged an American style bullet. phew!
I am hoping that Blizzard has seen all this negative feedback and has been working on a fix for launch day. However knowing Blizzard, they'll probably ignore the community for the next 8 months and say "sorry we didn't hear you guys sooner" then release an update that gives an increased 0.000025% chance at legendary crests for F2P players
Lol no way in hell they are "fixing" this. Even though it sucks and I absolutely hate it, we are not the target audience and they're probably going to rake in hundreds of millions with this.
the audacity, that after ALLL the backlash, they made this game the most pay to win garbage it could be like wtf? this game was marketed as for being for the hardcore players are they actually especting their hardcore audience, which already puplicly executed them because of the announcement, to be gullible enough for this bullshit?
@@ofensatul i dont think so from what I have heard, it's a really great game just filled with microtransactions people will play and we both know actiblizz is going to make millions with it
We need legislation against this p2w lootbox bs. I miss buying a game once and owning it or simply paying for a sub to get access to the full game without additional micro transactions.
p2w and lootboxes are two different things. I agree with legislation against lootboxes, or at least classify it as gambling, which it is. p2w is just bad game design.
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 sure give me few years to 1st build a good world to build on and make proper singleplayer games to create interesting world and characters. Also I have good points where not to go when making a MMO, just need to look at New World and do everything opposite to that shit fest. I will get back to you in 15years when I will launch my mmo
just don't spend money.. it's a free game until YOU decide to spend money, no one is forcing you. people get jealous of others for gearing faster and that's all it is. don't be jealous and you won't spend money.
I had the third best echoing fury ever, and my account was hacked 20 times in month after i got it and wanted to sell it. Then a bajillion copies ended up being out there and being traded that Blizzard couldn't handle, and then they decided to account lock me, so my account couldn't use auction house anymore. An also made every item i had account bound
I still remember when some guy bought a legendary crossbow for like $13k and then that crossbows affect got changed like 3 weeks later. Still miss my puzzle ring having a 4% chance to spawn loot goblins on hit. (But on the upside I do like pets items)
I don't understand how you feel accomplished when you lose to a boss in elden ring and then you go out and buy gems for 99$ to upgrade your weapons and armor to +10 to absolutely maul the boss. To me it's like if you could pay 1000$ to just skip to the end credits. The reasons bosses are at the difficulty they are designed for and the feeling you get when you beat it within the confines of the game are completely thrown over the board when you can just pay to increase your strength. It's like playing a game with cheat engine. Fun for 5 minutes and then you move on
I think there was a misconception with the "why do advertisers pay influencers if they only affect 8 pixels". Advertising isn't meant to target those 8 pixels. The goal of adverting is to convince you to use/buy their product. Those 8 pixels are probably already buying the product. So the actual goal is to get the remaining 65,000 pixels to buy the product.
An imagined goal is irrelevant here, if influencers don't have the necessary influence to affect said goal. Also, not making someone, who would have bought the game, not buy it, is functionally the same as making someone buy it, that wouldn't have. It's worth the same to a company. So no, there is no misconception. Either companies act irrationally, by paying influencers or influencers can affect companies bottom lines more than Asmongold argues.
If you buy a token you get random gems from 1 to 1000 and here is the catch. You can increase the chance with blue gems to get more gems. Wirh the gems you buy gametime at a exchangerrate. More gems at one trade = more gametime. And you can buy Skins with it. The cool thing is we can implement it ingame to give people that boost the ability to get paid for there services(but every trade has a 30% fee) So we invalidate gold and replace it with a better System you cannot get without money. Win win.
Diablo Immortal? More like Diablo Immoral. Stop seeing players as exploitable cash cows. The amount of perversion it takes for a game company to try to milk their fanbase like this is beyond belief. I'm so disappointed in Blizzard.
I want to coin the term "Poseidon" as the highest tier of spenders. He's the god of the sea, and so he's above whales and krakens or any kind of sea creature.
i think in some games especially gacha, it is already is a real title for some huge spenders. especially in the Chinese market. cause oh boy they spend a lot of money in lootbox and gacha games. more than Japanese ones.
@@Vihara2 agree - terms like kraken or Poseidon connote some positive aspect whether intelligence or coolness. Cash cow, paypig and whales are definitely more apt terms.
Too flattering. "Whale" is a good term because it doesn't sound cool to be a whale (even though they're amazing creatures). "Poseidon" isn't a good term, because it does sound cool to be a sea god.
I personally don't care if mobile games are p2w, I don't want to have the best gear, I just want to play games on public transport so I don't get bored looking out the window. PC/Console games are another story though.
2:58 a hard exception to that is when different currencies are tied to different game modes/tasks, its used as a way to sidestep the original common currencies inflation/devaluation without addressing the problem.
32:50 the moment that games had dlc as a norm is the moment I never paid full price/new for a game again. I still have not bought a doa passed I think 4 (possibly 3) because of dlc its bloat to 1300$ for the full game and never selling a bundle with everything, I will sooner pirate than pay for that crap. your 50-60$ game now needs to hit 10 before I even take a second look at it. i'm a minority in this regard sure, but they gave up a fairly large amount of people who would pay full for a full game.
40:00 I think they should have the interest frozen but still need to pay it back, they were sold a shit sandwich and while it sucks to need to help morons out who went into collage and picked a non viable degree pay it off, there are far FAR to many of them and it will fuck you over if you do nothing, freezing the debt forces them to pay it back but doesn't keep them in debt for life due to shit decisions, and given these loans are largely government ones, I see little reason they should be required to be forever debt.
40:27 im honestly not sure if they do, I went from fairly left to conservative not because I moved right but because conservatives in general went more left on issues that I thought needed to be more left, the left embraced the horseshit of the right but on issues I think are stupid they went screaming off the cliff left, I didn't change, but the parties did.
45:56 didnt several people come out and tell us exactly how much 'whales' spend in games? its not them getting a net full of fish who spend 20, its a net full of whales that spend 100k each, yea they may get a few whales worth of 20 people, but they got netfulls of whales.
1:05:16 if they were smart, they keep the pay to win mobile only, this way you dont light the brand completely on fire, you have something that builds the brand up, make people like it then diablo immortal 2 comes out and you get more people who go in on the good will of the diablo brand, it would at least be the smart call to make.
This is so predatory i honestly have no idea why there's no regulation for this sh*t. I hate how everyone compare this to gambling. This is way worst. Casinos are amateurs lol
Everyone agreed Blizzard used to have perfect track record in games. It went down the drain shortly after Activision. Already in Burning Crusade and Wrath of Lich King the favors started racking up to the casuals with the free "invite a friend" XP, char boosts. Item rarity took a total blow from then on; no items are really rare, we are all grinding the same stuff. Its all cheap instance servers not utilizing the existing environment and world, just trying to cut server costs.. Ultra-low % thottbot drops and grinding big bosses is what made the game fun. Also Hearthstone.. scam. RIP Blizzard.
And in the current game we see what happens when everything starts catering only to the hardcore. You need a middle ground otherwise nobody wins. MMOs need a casual player base because newsflash, it's a bigger portion of the player base than the hardcore which means more sub money for the game. And in turn, you need the hard core players to show the casuals what they could have if they put in a bit of effort and join a raid team or something. There's nothing for casual players to do in WoW other than transmog or mount farming. Nobody is interested in running mythic dungeons because it's full of sweaty hard core players who kick people for simple mistakes and the only thing the game has going is the same gear treadmill it's had since day 1. The formula has gotten tired and other games offer much more than WoW does anymore. As for Hearthstone...yea that trash is a scam.
best experience i ever had in WoW was actually a private classic server, the legendary neck dropped and the whole raid went apeshit. Evidently horde had gotten the drop a few months before, and the "GMs" ended up taking it away from us a couple weeks later. But thats the real shit that makes MMORPGs fun. And the talisman neck went to a druid, but our guild loved flexing it in IF haha. EDIT: didnt spent a dime for my most memorable end-game MMORPG experience.
@@dinozorman I could totally see that. I got off after original WoW and Burning Crusade. I'm pretty glad I did to be honest. The original game had so much more MMORPG-content planned. The original strategy book was essentially a drool for any MMORPG-fan.. When you saw Legendary and Artifacts (drops per server), you got excited to get those drops. Thottbott-lookup days was golden.
I listened to this while playing PoE actually and it was my first thought as well. it was later qualified with "for microtransactions", but yeh, you have to buy a stash tab for your ingame currency types eventually (stash tabs are way cheaper than visual mtx btw)
Was pretty obvious to me that he was talking about premium currencies (ones connected to real money and used for micros) PoE only has 1, the rest are more like consumable items for in-game stuff and has no connection whatsoever with real money. Should be pretty obvious for anyone who's played PoE what the difference is. The people in chat who were spamming PoE were just blatant gotcha andies imo because you'd have to purposefully misunderstand his point to actually make that argument.
I think he is right and wrong. Right now nothing will change because people complaining won't convince others. It's a battle of time. The voices do matter, but people have to convert on their own. They have to get burnt enough to speak out on their own. Why they haven't converted yet is beyond me but...
Remember when Blizzard made an April Fools joke about Diablo becoming a P2W mobile game? Seems like a bygone dream that you forget after you wake up now. This game is already making terms like Gigawhale. I think a level above Whale should be Leviathan.
I’m not spending any money on it, but I’ll play through it and then I’m out. It’s a mobile game this is exactly what I was expecting it to be. Now if they do this to diablo 4 I will be pissed.
Poor silly person who thinks D4 is going to be a game and not a mega version of this crap you are surely mistaken, forget about d4 the earlier the better.
Why wouldn't Diablo 4 be the same kind of crap? This is how they make 100 times the money they would if they were to just make a good game and sell it without mtx. Because for some insane reason, people can't just play something else. Blizzard is a shit company.
Me: what are the chances of getting a legendary 5-star gem? Like one in a hundred? Blizzard: more like one in a million... Me: So you're saying there's a chance! Welcome to dumb and dumber the video game.
As someone who has paid off their student loans I still think forgiving the interest and just keeping them at 0% interest is a reasonable step to the studen loan depth. You don't get free money. They can't be removed by bankruptcy. And you don't have to pay 150k for a 30-40k loan.
After watching this I have lost any interest I had left in this game lol. This is absolutely ridiculous. Yeah sure you can say that this is for the whales and you can play most of the Content for free but knowing that my progression is severely hamstrung by these systems is just awful.
You might not like the gameplay of PoE, but at least they make sure that there is NO PAY-TO-WIN EVER. Hopefully this is a thing which lasts forever. The moment I saw the disgusting P2W in a Diablo game, It cemented the idea that the Blizzard I respected no longer existed.
There is many player in my country,VietNam,use RMT to play,selling account and currency,pay money to get sick build,and start grind currency over and over again.
@@Csdl15590-vnn SSF exists and i like to come back to play there when i don't feel like grinding for more money in trade league. And SSF will be a thing till Chris will be there, it's his "vision" of how the game should be played tbh.
To refute the graph. There is another group, a non population of a game who hears about a pay to win policy and doesn't like it. That group is probably quite small but every time there's a major story like there was with Star wars battlefront 2 the population of those people gets larger.
I used to love watching Asmongold, been watching him for 3 years but the more viewers he gets the more he changes, its a shame or maybe i changed the way i see him. I hope the best for him, he is a good dude.
you know... the more i think about where gaming is the more i believe it's our fault. We reward this kind of shit. The more we pick up our wallet to get even one knick knack the more this shit will go on. The sad part is the younger gaming communities consider this shit the norm. Been playing this mmo lineage 2 for like 16 years, with long term breaks. Seen this game turn form an actual subscription-based GAME, into a ftp/ptw mobile crap. 0 game play just rmt and gambling. No in game way to progress at all, just lootboxes. And everyone seems cool about it. All complain yet all buy everything like there is no tomorrow. it's insane to see. Talking for people who spent +100k $ overall. Sorry for my rant, had to vent somewhere.
What's even more crazy is that this isnt even the most pay to win mobile game out there, look at the game that raid shadow legends ripped off which is called summoners war. People on that game spend 5 figures a month and sometime up to 6 figures
The other big point of Asmon’s graph is that the overwhelming majority of players aren’t even aware that the conversation is occuring. And the majority of those players aren’t even looking at anything aside from the game, you will NEVER reach those people and it’s an uphill battle already to convince the people you are reaching.
Asmon does this every stream is it like his thing? It seems like he tries to push his opinions on his viewers ?? And he's never wrong and calling someone in his chat a narcissist is funny and before I get hate I enjoy his content I'm just making an observation if I'm wrong I apologize
I won't be playing this garbage. I see too many people struggling to feed their families to justify spending hundreds on a video game. Pay To Win games need to be outlawed. If one hadn't the time to actually play video games, maybe they've graduated from gaming.
I’m pretty sure we’re on track gaming wise where the biggest game is gonna be a sword art online/ready player one with NFTs in them. Could be in the next 10 years or 100, who knows.
I remember my friend used to sell door to door and I went with him once. " You got a corner or a table I could use" was a powerful tool once you got into the house the likelyhood of getting money was Soo much more
the reason they pay streamers and influencers to market their product is because its cheaper in the long term than traditional commercials. You go to a streamer and says heres 10 promote us for the next 2-3 months in a positive view and most will say yes. where as if you go to large sites or tv/cable media they want like 50k for the slots and then revenue for each add that goes out and % off what is made from those adds. Money is the answer and always will be.
The thing with Genshin though [what Asmon was mentioning] Is that it was already a modified version of Fate/Grand Order a mobile Gacha of the Fate series. But, what Genshin and FGO got right in terms of gacha, was being a F2P and a gigadick swinging whale didn't make much of a difference. You could still clear all content with what Genshin gave you, was it harder? Yes. But was it doable without being a literal perfect player? Yes. Their system was modified from FGO. There isn't much of a difference between being F2P and a 10k player. The 10k player has waaay better units, and can clear easily, but the F2P still has all the tools to clear the content as well just as easy. And the upgrade paths weren't locked solely to the whales, the time it took to upgrade/resources, were the same exact time it took to upgrade for the 10k player. And those resources, could never be bought with real cash. There was no Get in a car while they run the marathon system. So it retained players, who over time, spent money. It's why they print money. People are reluctant to give you money if they feel that they HAVE to. But people will give you money if they see something cool that they don't need. Because people are stupid.
This is the same argument of 'why even vote because your vote doesn't matter' It DOES matter, and thats how change is made. By the individual spending their money and not spending it
Pay 2 Win has been around a lot longer than Genshin Impact, the issue was it was mostly with mobile games. AAA gaming companies got wind of how much money the mobile market was making and then began to adopt the practice more and more, some like Activision even blatantly stating to their investors that they wanted the same types of mobile transactions in their PC and console titles because that's where the money was. There were card battle games, afk arena types, etc. that were p2w long before Genshin, it just never entered "mainstream" gaming until the publishers and devs realized how much money they were missing out on and the financial sector started talking about how the mobile gaming market was going to blow away console/PC market in terms of revenue. Activision acquired Candy Crush and then it was all downhill from there and most AAA companies now just want to hook people when they are kids so they have a long term money stream. If we're being honest, as humans we've been conditioned for pay 2 win since we were kids. We were told/taught that people who had nicer clothes/dressed better got better jobs/interviews, from day 1 in any kind of sport it was implied the kid with $200 NIke's was better than the kid with $60 Reebok shoes, etc. Obviously that doesn't always work due to human skill level and what not, but it's honestly hilarious to look back over life and see how many people were already convinced of pay 2 win by all the money they wasted on "better" cars, equipment, clothes, etc.
D3 pay to win was awesome because the money actually (mostly) went to other players and they could cash out to their bank. Most mobile games don't give the players a chance to profit.
45:40, I do disagree that where they are making their main money off of is "trawlers", or smaller spenders. This is just factually incorrect, while it depends on what top percentage you count as "whales", top spenders account for the majority of a game's income. Different numbers I have found are top 10% being responsible for 70% a game's income, top .15% being responsible for 50% a game's income, and top 1% for 64% of a games income. While they are wildly different numbers, not a single one supports the claim that small spenders themselves make a mobile game an even comparable amount of money to the top spenders. While they are happy to take anyone's money, whales are who they cater to, the rest of the players are just there to help attract them to the buffet (through keeping the game relevant and "alive"). This topic is actually brought up in Let's Go Whaling, a video I believe Asmongold himself has watched. It might be worth a rewatch, just because of how prevalent and relevant those techniques are.
This actually happened to me, they drastically changed ArcheAGe during the beta to the point where I'd never want to play it again, so letting me keep my money was useless
It's almost like the ire directed towards Immortal wasn't merely because it was a mobile game, but because everybody expected it to have all sorts of predatory monetization by virtue of it being a mobile game. And that's exactly what happened.
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"Don't you guys have wallets" Blizzard probably in the next Con
I was thinking the same.
reaper of wallets was the last expo for d3...everyone knew that immortal was going to be p2w. all mobile games are p2w. they want to tap into the billion dollar market with games like these by sacrificing their brand names for a quick buck.
Nah they need to be more specific credit cards "don't you guys have credit cards" gotta make them feel guilty for not having credit cards. You may have a wallet but not a credit card
Don't you guys have bank accounts? 🏦
The giveaway is in the name. BlizzCon :p
I miss when we paid $60 for a game and got ALL the loot, just had to play the game.
At least we have From Software
@@Bazmodius Hell yeah, and good Indie games. I've played Starsector and RimWorld more than several AAA games combined.
I mean go ahead and spend 60$ on it I'm sure you'll get a good amount of stuff. Its fucking f2p of course they'll need some way to make money
It sucks... wish it wasn't a f2p/p2w game but a proper AAA title with all this content... would be massively appreciated.
@@rinroarpog7809 such bad logic lol....
Asmongold: "You know how you can tell if a game is pay to win?"
Me from Belgium: "If Blizzard doesn't even bother RELEASING the game in your country because random microtransactions are prohibited by law."
@@johnsmith-fk7fw Dude, take a chill pill.
or your country so poor we cant earn money from you... my country in sea 😂
@@rinzu1 gigachad
@@johnsmith-fk7fw So you're defending micro transactions?
@@rinzu1 WutFace ZOOMER
"This is like mythic raid armour, but instead of having to do mythic raids, you need a mythic job" I'm dead lol
So basically as a free to play player, I'm only ever going to have a "lite" version of the game, never being able to recieve anywhere even close to the full experience?
Just finish the story and bounce
You can have a good time, do you. But know that most of these games have built in "walls" like Asmon said. Your game experience will be made intentionally worse to get you to pay to skip the grind.
Just drop $40 bucks on Diablo2 or Diablo2 Resurrection. Way more fun, way cheaper.
Correct.
Even splurging $20-30 (or whatever the cost of an average mobile game from a big company is nowadays ) in In App Purchases isn't enough to get even a fraction of the "full experience".
The more I learn about the game the more I'm baffled by how they thought announcing this on the big stage was a good idea. The only appropriate feeling to a legendary franchise like Diablo coming to this is disgust
Then don't play the game, but I'm sure you will so stop your complaining.
@@Kaiesis congratulations on being the 10 millionth person to make that stupid ass take! please leave the premises and dont forget your complementary boot leather on your way out!
@@Kaiesis This kind of mentality got WoW to the state it's in right now.
@@Kaiesis why can't people complain?
Because diabolo immortal would be bigger then any other diabolo game? Like come on just look at PUBG and PUBGM, COD and CODM, etc.
Man Blizzard spent 10x more time working on their P2W system than they did working on the game.
Like, imagine how fun this game perhaps could be if these things were reachable by normal players through normal gameplay.
What a joke.
People at Raven/Beenox/whatever have a team dedicated to just making flashy splash screens and animations for the CoD Warzone MTX shop. So I'm not at all surprised.
This isn’t even really a game. The game part is just an advertisement to get people to play the P2W slot machine.
@Tradious Attitudes like “they’re a business so they should be expected to try and make as much money as possible by making their games as p2w as possible is why we have dogshit games flooding the market nowadays. When there are enablers like you it makes everything worse for everyone.
@@TheDogmam12 Might see a difference? If everyone did that they'd have literally no one playing their game which means they wasted a lot of money developing it. Haha its disgusting how people fall for this stuff and play it. They're like bugs getting attracted to a bug trap
@@TheDogmam12 that's the thing. There will be literally thousands of player that will spent thousands of $ for this game, and there will be a few hundred that spent tens of thousands $ and a few tens that spent $$$$.
And the worst part is, those people are proud to do that.....
When I worked at Blizzard EU before the decimation of 2018, I remember a mantra being spread from J. Allan Brack in the various company wide communications that "Blizzard was to become the Blizzard of mobile gaming!" and it sounded like this was to become the new main priority of the company at the time. Back then we thought it meant to bring some balance to mobile gaming with some good games in the sea of gacha games, but it seems now they meant doubling down on the industry practices of predatory monitization in mobile gaming.
The problem is that mobile gaming is unimaginable larger than any other gaming medium. For every commenter here there are a thousand people not giving a single fuck or simply not even conceptualizing what pay to win is in any form. They just have a phone that has a game where you can spend 10$ dollars on whatever.
This is why "respectable" developers simply don't care about your opinion. You don't matter since the average asian mobileman will outpay you.
Most sad thing to me that people still support such companies by spending money
@@DELZOR Aint that the truth... it wasn't EA, Blizzard or Activision that ruined gaming... it was the p(l)ayers!
@@OmegaCoolsterDX there is few more developers that belongs to sony who delivers really good games
@@DELZOR Ye, and here's an interesting angle from me. Google and Apple can infact double down on these guys, like they literally have to say "When you publish your app on our store, you cannot bring in gambling mechanics" or something like that, but since they tax all purchases, they would never do that. The Epic vs Google and Apple case now wants them to allow sideloading/external purchases which would lower Gapple's income and present even greater opportunities for these gachas, worse yet, gapple may become more resilient from ever removing gambling.
I support Epic's take on this but we need gov.s to step in this mess before it becomes the norm and there are more approvers to these predatory acts than opposers.
What's so crazy about this is that raid shadow lands (I know) has different "chests" but even the 2nd lowest "chest" makes it so nothing lower than a 3* can drop, you can't even get a 1* or 2* in the ptw options.
Which means blizzard is somehow greeedier than raid shadow legends
Haven't played Diablo Immortal, but is it more annoying than 30 seconds of ad pop ups you have to click through every time you go to the base?
@@ChunkyCoffee I think that will depend on the person, and whether they value time or value I suppose
I miss the old days of just paying 15$ a month for a subscription to a Blizzard Game or just paying once for buying the game and that meant all the content was available to you. The "free games" almost always end up being a money pit.
Well it's not like that model allows a company to reach a billion dollar evaluation. Oh wait...
Still 15 a month is 180 a year
I share your sentiment, I to miss it to. Also it was a healthier environment to make games, setting a burn rate and start work, release, get paid, repeat.
Now you have so many games developers going for that steady stream of income to found other projects, but the other projects just becomes just as uninspired.
My best guess is, that it's hard for a developer company to switch between making a good game and thinking about optimal ways to abuse players outside the game.
To me it's watching creativity getting strangled at 300/300mbs, with single minded gratification getting crueler and crueler...
I grew up playing WarCraft 2: Tides of Darkness and the first Diablo, StarCraft, WoW, and it really is a genuine disappointment that a developer like that has become another cash-cow. I remember reading through the manuals just to absorb Chris Metzen's art and the storylines... I don't know, it just sucks that this is a Blizzard product.
Blizzard is no more, only evil activision left
We grow up in best generation
Wow was wost that happened to blizzard. They got too much money and got greedy.
I'm in a similar boat, and hey, they DID remaster Diablo 2 and StarCraft Brood War. Sounds like small side projects, but they really weren't. It's like Blizzard has one faction genuinely devoted to good games and keeping good games alive, and another just about the profit potential.
Same. I remember how revered Blizzard was when they were at the top of their game. Everything they touched was gold. They could do no wrong. Now look at them. It's sad and pathetic.
The US needs to ban micro transactions like loot boxes or pay to win games, it’s no different than legalized gambling
I dont get why people say that. Its not true at all. Gambling is about getting money not some bling bling stuff.
just don't buy it. Why ban??? Lmao. then ban alcohol as well... stupid argument you have
@@Blackbirdone11 "gambling is about getting money" you never gamble if you say that
It's not gambling as you can't win
Just need to tax the corporations 40% or more.
Alright, It took making my favorite franchise ever a p2w gacha to finally make me say with confidence: We need laws and regulations for casino monetization in gaming, period. Everywhere. Not just in Belgium and the Netherlands, but worldwide. Every government should form a "ministry of p2w" and make this manipulative, predatory dogshit so unprofitable for companies that they stop doing it. Let's go back to selling cosmetics and vanity items, and stop this plague that makes all games worse by default and traps people into burning their money for absolutely nothing in return.
"Just don't spend any money if you don't want to" doesn't fly for me at this point, because games do not cater to that mindset anymore.
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Ok boomer if real casinos aren't getting banned how do you think p2w is getting hit
@@Thecultofwrestling b-b-b-but my beloved video game! How could they!! I want everything to cater to me!! We need rules and regulations made by the highest level of government for this one video game because I don't like it!!!!!!!
They can just ban it there’s no way the federal government needs a cabinet or committee for this that’s absurd you can’t be older than like 15 lol
@@Thecultofwrestling thanks for explaining it to this kid
I am always amazed by how some people can actually defend these gambling schemes
I don't know if I am more sad or mad about how they have ruined all my beloved childhood gaming franchises. I cannot express how much I hate todays Blizzard
They pissed on Blizzard North legacy with a straight face and we couldn't do shit about it.
What’s truly shocking is the delusional fanboys defending this garbage lol
The worst thing they had done was the WC3 Remake so you can't even play the original anymore. Making a bad new game is one thing, but completly destroying a existing game wich you had payed for is just beyond disgusting. Fuck Blizzard i hope their greed will make Diablo Immortal a disaster.
@@tuanang7889 We can stop supporting them.
@@JamieR WHAAAT? WHAAAAT? YOU SUGGEST THE LOGICAL THING? HELL NAW , WE WILL JUST KEEP THROWING MONEY AT THEM WHILE CRYING ABOUT THE PAY TO WIN GARBAGE THEY SHIT OUT EVERY NOW AND THEN!
Games like this really sell the value of services like Apple Arcade, Gamepass, and Google Play Pass. A pittance every month; hundreds of complete, high quality games.
The funniest part is if you actually worked on Diablo immortal you probably can’t afford to play Diablo Immortal 😂
What a nice, very sad, perspective
Knowing blizzard the devs were paid in "premium currency" ingame anyway
Considering the game is fully ftp... they can afford it.
@@Nerazmus thanks mate, it’s called a joke get over yourself.
Blizzard fanboys really trying so hard to defend this shit game. LOL.
Diablo fanboy, get it right.
It's sad because if they had toned it down with just a season pass and shit it would've potentially been a cool game.
@@unixtreme You win the biggest cope of the day award! Gratz! Obviously nobody would have cared.
There is no Blizzard anymore, it's only Activision.
@@Kaiesis diablo fan boys aren't even defending this game. Maybe mobile game players are defending this😂
love the analogy "you don't need to do a mythic raid, you need to have a mythic job!"
The best way to actually "vote with your wallet" is to help family and friends who do have gambling addictions and who are whaling games to stop. Those people's "wallets" are worth a hundred times more than your average player's wallets as far as Blizzard is considered. Help them to find other hobbies, get therapy for any mental distress they may be in, and hopefully eventually, get them to a point where they can delete the game. Sunk cost fallacy is real, so that last step is not likely to be feasible for most whales. However, one can at least disrupt an actual relevant portion of these p2w game's revenue streams while helping people who genuinely need help.
the fact actiblizzard is doing this with one of their most beloved and established titles is what really takes it over the top.
if they really wanted to get into the mobile/gambling/scammer market, they could've easily created a brand new IP for it and left their established ones clean and untouched. but then that's not why activision bought blizzard, is it? and apparently it's not why microscam bought them either.
Blizzard is done with making good games. Same as most other companies. Consumers love this PayToWin stuff. If they didn't, they wouldn't play these games, but they throwing their money at companies. Why would Blizzard care if they can make more money out of mobile game in one year than compared to WoW they worked for a decade. Minimum effort, maximum profit. Money talks. Blame players who keep supporting this style of game development.
Seriously, Blizzard should be in jail for selling this game.
Hihi, Art-Jail
I agree, John Blizzard should be in jail.
Seriously you should be in a mental ward for saying shit like that.
Good thing they're not selling it cause its free
@@rinroarpog7809 It's not free, it's a participation demo unless you spend money.
Of course it was going to be like this. Every single mobile game looks like this.
gacha hell 😭
not every . there are game like league of legends mobile wild rift where you only spend for cosmetics and there are few other games but yeah all games that have p2w are trash games in the first place and I have no idea who plays them in the first place.
@@aidasmatulaitis5175 any gacha games with PvP is instantly P2W, as every new unit introduced will definitely powercreep and urged players to pay to get them because by design hoarding cannot get you every unit possible in game. The only acceptable design for gacha game is PvE based only, and all contents can be cleared with lowest rarity units. Yes Im talking bout Arknights... and I am also eyeing on the new game by same dev, Arknights: Endfield... there's very few games in gacha space that actually design a game with paying as form of optional/donation system...
This is immoral and should be illegal , I’m a whale 🐋 and I won’t be downloading this
This is exactly why mobile games have this stigma, and they deserve it since 99% of mobile games are just trashy cash grabs.
I played an earlier closed beta of Diablo Immortal and it was decent, was considering playing it at launch. And then they showed us the store~
:'(
yh thats what is so annoying, the game is good, but the store is absolutely disgusting.
Was the store always supposed to be this pay to win or did their focus shift during testing?
@@migueltucabron Probably always intended to be obscenely pay 2 win. The game was basically fully ''asian style'' except the diablo asthetic ever since the beginning leaks weeks after it was announced. There is almost no phone game that isn't insanely pay 2 win. It was gonna be worse if the leaks from years ago were true. It was literally outsourced to an asian company that mass produces Gacha ARPG games via copy pasting models.
The fact that Mike Ybarra was defending this game all the time on twitter, saying its not P2W at all, really just shows how gone the company is, even with a leader that everyone respected. Yes its a mobile game, but there is plenty of other ways to monetize it that doesnt affect actual gameplay, like cosmetics. Gating players with massive pay walls is just pure shamelessness, because you literally wont be able to compete in this game without spending thousands of dollars. At least most mobile games allow to play their games F2P for the most part, but that wont be a thing in this game.
I may be wrong, but I always thought "getting your foot in the door" originally referred to the salesman literally putting his foot in the crack of the door so it couldn't be immediately slammed on him, allowing him to pitch the sale.
@@TheSeth256 I suppose steel-toed boots are recommended for this method.
I'm sure China will love spending their money on this game but I for one will not be spending any on such an absurd mtx game.
You’d be wrong. This game would be banned so fast. China clamps down hard on video games especially if there’s things that can be considered gambling or requiring excessive amounts of time. You’re legally only allowed to play online games for 2 hrs a week in China.
@@Straddllw Only for minors, adults there are still the biggest whales in the world.
I really hope the backlash for blizzard will be so hard, that they’ll pull it off of the appstores and basically delay it again. It’s insane to see such malicious attempts to throw that at players and call it a game.
its actually a decent game though
@@Moogle It can't be a decent game with such predatory lootbox mechanics.
you know that won't happen
Diablo immortal is tame for a mobile game
@@Moogle decent game, bad by diablo standards.
@@risingblur770 I wouldn’t call it a tame approach if you’re supposed to spend a hundred grand on the BiS gear. And basically no way of ever getting anything good without spending money. That’s malicious and the reason I won’t even touch the game.
We in fact had phones
How is it even legal for companies to pull sht like this, 6 figures??? that's MENTAL, The Netherlands and Belgium are absolutely right, this should be banned EVERYWHERE.
Or You know, You could not pay and just play. I've playing for a couple hours now and the game is super fun. The problems start when Your goal in the game is to collect some gems :D
You know what would make the resonance armor appearances much cooler? if you couldn't just throw money at the game to get it. if it was a symbol of your dedication to the grind and how much you love the game, it would be much cooler. instead of just being a symbol of how much money you wasted.
Main difference between them, is that PoE has *skins* for sale. There's nothing about them that affects the game.
I like Zack, I think his takes are very intelligent and on point. I hate that he is going to play this, and take with him a majority of his audience. Alot of whom will pay at least some amount of money, some who will pay alot. Yes it's content and he will make more money than he spends by doing it, but things are getting worse every year and just wish all the community leaders would take a stand.
Zack literally does not care about money. He will play it, he will pay alot of money and he will definetly hate on the cashshop in videos. The main market for games like this is Asia, especially China. If Zack decides to not play it cause its p2w, it does not impact Blizzards revenue at all.
@@Zamki13 Yes it does. How much is a matter of debate, but if he spends even a dollar it affects their revenue. He'll spend a few thousand, his audience together will spend probably a few hundred times that. Drop of water in the ocean perhaps, but it also feeds engagement and players in the western world. If China wants this type of game, fine, but if we could make it bad enough that they don't bother even releasing games like this in the western world we'd be better off.
I agree. Anyone that doesn't encourage a total boycott of this BS is complicit imo.
Its like George Carlin said. People spend the money that they dont have on shit they dont need.
@@Inshokuten69 but asmon is if u realized he really doesn't care bout morals and p2w shit. He doesn't like it sure but the gain from content is way more than the cost for him.
please don't play this game. even if you want to be a whale in a new release. please don't. there are so many other microtransaction games like this. just let diablo immortal flop. PLEASE DON'T SPEND MONEY ON THIS. please please please please. DIABLO WAS FUN BECAUSE OF DROPS AND THE POSSIBILITY OF DROPS FOR YOUR PURCHASE PRICE. THAT'S WHAT MADE IT FUN.
To be fair diablo immortal is a joke, we're waiting on D4.
Just play PoE.
@@KuuYami_ D2R
You can whine and complain all you want. You are not the target audience for this game. Don't forget that.
This game will thrive and set download records without you. China and Asia will absolutely whale the shit out of this game.
I'm gonna Play it 🤭
i’m sure this comment will make everyone listen
I can't stop laughing at Asmo's facial expression when he hears about these predatory P2W mechanics and his brain is still processing it ( how the fuck is that even possible to be this blatant ? ).
How shall we win the audience back? A heartfelt single player game? Something that pushes the concepts of ARGPs or RTSs?
No! I know. How about a shitty mobile game, with P2W, and gacha loot boxes. BRILLIANT!!!
They dont care about their fans they want a new audience they want the **tarded asian mobile gamers to like it. Like everything today its made for asians not us.
It's neither. The drop rates are literally the same as they were in D2 and D3. Now you can just pay to have more spins.
im so disgusted with Blizzard im not even curious anymore for Diablo Immortal or anything similar.
19:58 We need to clip this and make it a donation sound lol
The problem is that they give 'Unlimited' purchase warranty for the crystals and for people who F2P earn none through standard play. There's no throttle for P2W, it's demanded, or you lose.
@@__________8997 Can assure you, Genshin Impact is pretty F2P-friendly. The game progression is incredibly fair even for F2Ps where even the P2Ws have to farm alot for good gear, the character and weapon rolls have a pity system to allow you to get them eventually and even in the battle pass, there are only a few weapons that are not the best in slot for any of the characters, just simply competes with the other weapons that are easier to obtain (of course this depends on the characters themselves). Hell, even the end-game is doable with multiple kinds of teams and without spending a single buck. P2W is really for those who like to be competitive simply and want to break the game with big numbers.
@@__________8997 Do take note that Genshin Impact took a progression that'll probably last atleast 6+ years, would you rather pay for all of its new continents a like 60 dollars or would you rather optionally pay to play with certain characters and with certain weapons while having access to literally all the quests and stuff free of charge?
Of course I'm one who is against gacha systems and I absolutely can't stand them, Genshin though is so far the only one that doesn't make me feel like I'm severely limited in options atleast and can even enjoy the full game if I want to without weeks or months of grinding P2Ws would usually be able to skip through (yet here, they can't really).
42:00 You are very American centric there. Plenty of countries where university is free and there's no college tuition and healthcare is free and taxes are relatively high and people pay their fair share and people help each other.
Greed isn't an evolved trait, it's a learned trait. If anything ancient humans were more communal and sharing than we are. There's fossils of ancient humans who lived relatively long lives with major disabilities that would have made them unable to care for themselves. They lived so long because others took care of them.
There's a find of a 20 year old girl, who had severely atrophied bones likely due to an illness in her childhood. She lived to 20 and one of the other things they noticed was that her teeth had several cavities, likely from eating too many sweets. Because she was cared for and her family were trying to cheer her up with sweets. She wasn't abandoned to the wolves.
The individualistic me before everyone else attitude is very much a cultural thing that has run rampant in the US, but that's not the case everywhere.
In this society we live in, they want to give the common people the least amount of free quality time as humanly possible. Keeping your face in front of a computer/cellphone screen isn't it.
Well said - I was going to comment in a similar way. Very American - thankfully other western countries aren't , so far, going down the American style rabbit hole. Australia has just dodged an American style bullet. phew!
I am hoping that Blizzard has seen all this negative feedback and has been working on a fix for launch day.
However knowing Blizzard, they'll probably ignore the community for the next 8 months and say "sorry we didn't hear you guys sooner" then release an update that gives an increased 0.000025% chance at legendary crests for F2P players
Lol no way in hell they are "fixing" this. Even though it sucks and I absolutely hate it, we are not the target audience and they're probably going to rake in hundreds of millions with this.
Fix? Its not broken to them. They know what they are doing and its pathetic.
"do you guys not have phones?" turned into "do you guys not have MMMONEEYY?"
FUCK !!
Just don't play then.
@@yes55504 Who said i was playing? not the most relevant anwser mr.
the audacity, that after ALLL the backlash, they made this game the most pay to win garbage it could be
like wtf?
this game was marketed as for being for the hardcore players
are they actually especting their hardcore audience, which already puplicly executed them because of the announcement, to be gullible enough for this bullshit?
this game will die 1 month in , just watch.
@@ofensatul i dont think so
from what I have heard, it's a really great game
just filled with microtransactions
people will play
and we both know actiblizz is going to make millions with it
asmongold is going to have to take a gambling sponsorship to afford these gems
We need legislation against this p2w lootbox bs. I miss buying a game once and owning it or simply paying for a sub to get access to the full game without additional micro transactions.
p2w and lootboxes are two different things.
I agree with legislation against lootboxes, or at least classify it as gambling, which it is.
p2w is just bad game design.
Sad state for MMOs, I pretty much play Monster Hunter now just to scratch that MMO itch even though it's not an MMO.
I love how you aren't afraid to speak your mind, it makes your steams much enjoyable imo. Thanks Asmongold!
So when will Asmon start for “our” character?
Asmon will defend this p2w game as much he does with LostArk
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 build my own p2w game?
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 sure give me few years to 1st build a good world to build on and make proper singleplayer games to create interesting world and characters. Also I have good points where not to go when making a MMO, just need to look at New World and do everything opposite to that shit fest. I will get back to you in 15years when I will launch my mmo
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 All it takes time to build something properly and not try to take shortcuts to finish line ;)
just don't spend money.. it's a free game until YOU decide to spend money, no one is forcing you. people get jealous of others for gearing faster and that's all it is. don't be jealous and you won't spend money.
I had the third best echoing fury ever, and my account was hacked 20 times in month after i got it and wanted to sell it. Then a bajillion copies ended up being out there and being traded that Blizzard couldn't handle, and then they decided to account lock me, so my account couldn't use auction house anymore. An also made every item i had account bound
I still remember when some guy bought a legendary crossbow for like $13k and then that crossbows affect got changed like 3 weeks later.
Still miss my puzzle ring having a 4% chance to spawn loot goblins on hit.
(But on the upside I do like pets items)
"You are not prepared" blizzard
You know the video is good, if Asmon can turn a 16:45 min video, into a 1:12:28 video
I don't understand how you feel accomplished when you lose to a boss in elden ring and then you go out and buy gems for 99$ to upgrade your weapons and armor to +10 to absolutely maul the boss. To me it's like if you could pay 1000$ to just skip to the end credits. The reasons bosses are at the difficulty they are designed for and the feeling you get when you beat it within the confines of the game are completely thrown over the board when you can just pay to increase your strength. It's like playing a game with cheat engine. Fun for 5 minutes and then you move on
I think there was a misconception with the "why do advertisers pay influencers if they only affect 8 pixels". Advertising isn't meant to target those 8 pixels. The goal of adverting is to convince you to use/buy their product. Those 8 pixels are probably already buying the product. So the actual goal is to get the remaining 65,000 pixels to buy the product.
An imagined goal is irrelevant here, if influencers don't have the necessary influence to affect said goal. Also, not making someone, who would have bought the game, not buy it, is functionally the same as making someone buy it, that wouldn't have. It's worth the same to a company.
So no, there is no misconception. Either companies act irrationally, by paying influencers or influencers can affect companies bottom lines more than Asmongold argues.
They should add this to WoW. The WoW token isn’t at its max potential.
If you buy a token you get random gems from 1 to 1000 and here is the catch. You can increase the chance with blue gems to get more gems. Wirh the gems you buy gametime at a exchangerrate. More gems at one trade = more gametime. And you can buy Skins with it. The cool thing is we can implement it ingame to give people that boost the ability to get paid for there services(but every trade has a 30% fee) So we invalidate gold and replace it with a better System you cannot get without money. Win win.
Diablo Immortal? More like Diablo Immoral.
Stop seeing players as exploitable cash cows. The amount of perversion it takes for a game company to try to milk their fanbase like this is beyond belief.
I'm so disappointed in Blizzard.
I want to coin the term "Poseidon" as the highest tier of spenders. He's the god of the sea, and so he's above whales and krakens or any kind of sea creature.
But we are just beginning Poseidon will reveal himself in Diablo immortalest, the sequel to Diablo immortaler. We are still a decade or two out.
i think in some games especially gacha, it is already is a real title for some huge spenders. especially in the Chinese market. cause oh boy they spend a lot of money in lootbox and gacha games. more than Japanese ones.
@@Vihara2 agree - terms like kraken or Poseidon connote some positive aspect whether intelligence or coolness.
Cash cow, paypig and whales are definitely more apt terms.
Too flattering. "Whale" is a good term because it doesn't sound cool to be a whale (even though they're amazing creatures). "Poseidon" isn't a good term, because it does sound cool to be a sea god.
I personally don't care if mobile games are p2w, I don't want to have the best gear, I just want to play games on public transport so I don't get bored looking out the window. PC/Console games are another story though.
2:58 a hard exception to that is when different currencies are tied to different game modes/tasks, its used as a way to sidestep the original common currencies inflation/devaluation without addressing the problem.
32:50 the moment that games had dlc as a norm is the moment I never paid full price/new for a game again. I still have not bought a doa passed I think 4 (possibly 3) because of dlc its bloat to 1300$ for the full game and never selling a bundle with everything, I will sooner pirate than pay for that crap. your 50-60$ game now needs to hit 10 before I even take a second look at it. i'm a minority in this regard sure, but they gave up a fairly large amount of people who would pay full for a full game.
40:00 I think they should have the interest frozen but still need to pay it back, they were sold a shit sandwich and while it sucks to need to help morons out who went into collage and picked a non viable degree pay it off, there are far FAR to many of them and it will fuck you over if you do nothing, freezing the debt forces them to pay it back but doesn't keep them in debt for life due to shit decisions, and given these loans are largely government ones, I see little reason they should be required to be forever debt.
40:27 im honestly not sure if they do, I went from fairly left to conservative not because I moved right but because conservatives in general went more left on issues that I thought needed to be more left, the left embraced the horseshit of the right but on issues I think are stupid they went screaming off the cliff left, I didn't change, but the parties did.
45:56 didnt several people come out and tell us exactly how much 'whales' spend in games? its not them getting a net full of fish who spend 20, its a net full of whales that spend 100k each, yea they may get a few whales worth of 20 people, but they got netfulls of whales.
1:05:16 if they were smart, they keep the pay to win mobile only, this way you dont light the brand completely on fire, you have something that builds the brand up, make people like it then diablo immortal 2 comes out and you get more people who go in on the good will of the diablo brand, it would at least be the smart call to make.
This is so predatory i honestly have no idea why there's no regulation for this sh*t. I hate how everyone compare this to gambling. This is way worst. Casinos are amateurs lol
at least in casinos they give you a small chance to win money lol, this is just a parasite
Gambling with no chance of getting your money back should be illegal by law.
Everyone agreed Blizzard used to have perfect track record in games. It went down the drain shortly after Activision. Already in Burning Crusade and Wrath of Lich King the favors started racking up to the casuals with the free "invite a friend" XP, char boosts. Item rarity took a total blow from then on; no items are really rare, we are all grinding the same stuff. Its all cheap instance servers not utilizing the existing environment and world, just trying to cut server costs.. Ultra-low % thottbot drops and grinding big bosses is what made the game fun. Also Hearthstone.. scam.
RIP Blizzard.
And in the current game we see what happens when everything starts catering only to the hardcore. You need a middle ground otherwise nobody wins. MMOs need a casual player base because newsflash, it's a bigger portion of the player base than the hardcore which means more sub money for the game. And in turn, you need the hard core players to show the casuals what they could have if they put in a bit of effort and join a raid team or something.
There's nothing for casual players to do in WoW other than transmog or mount farming. Nobody is interested in running mythic dungeons because it's full of sweaty hard core players who kick people for simple mistakes and the only thing the game has going is the same gear treadmill it's had since day 1. The formula has gotten tired and other games offer much more than WoW does anymore.
As for Hearthstone...yea that trash is a scam.
best experience i ever had in WoW was actually a private classic server, the legendary neck dropped and the whole raid went apeshit. Evidently horde had gotten the drop a few months before, and the "GMs" ended up taking it away from us a couple weeks later. But thats the real shit that makes MMORPGs fun. And the talisman neck went to a druid, but our guild loved flexing it in IF haha.
EDIT: didnt spent a dime for my most memorable end-game MMORPG experience.
@@dinozorman I could totally see that. I got off after original WoW and Burning Crusade. I'm pretty glad I did to be honest. The original game had so much more MMORPG-content planned. The original strategy book was essentially a drool for any MMORPG-fan.. When you saw Legendary and Artifacts (drops per server), you got excited to get those drops. Thottbott-lookup days was golden.
I listened to this while playing PoE actually and it was my first thought as well. it was later qualified with "for microtransactions", but yeh, you have to buy a stash tab for your ingame currency types eventually (stash tabs are way cheaper than visual mtx btw)
Was pretty obvious to me that he was talking about premium currencies (ones connected to real money and used for micros)
PoE only has 1, the rest are more like consumable items for in-game stuff and has no connection whatsoever with real money.
Should be pretty obvious for anyone who's played PoE what the difference is. The people in chat who were spamming PoE were just blatant gotcha andies imo because you'd have to purposefully misunderstand his point to actually make that argument.
Yeah, I'm cancelling my preregistration now - I f*cking hate Diablo and Blizzard now.
I think he is right and wrong. Right now nothing will change because people complaining won't convince others. It's a battle of time. The voices do matter, but people have to convert on their own. They have to get burnt enough to speak out on their own. Why they haven't converted yet is beyond me but...
Remember when Blizzard made an April Fools joke about Diablo becoming a P2W mobile game? Seems like a bygone dream that you forget after you wake up now.
This game is already making terms like Gigawhale. I think a level above Whale should be Leviathan.
It was a real thing
I’m not spending any money on it, but I’ll play through it and then I’m out. It’s a mobile game this is exactly what I was expecting it to be. Now if they do this to diablo 4 I will be pissed.
Poor silly person who thinks D4 is going to be a game and not a mega version of this crap you are surely mistaken, forget about d4 the earlier the better.
Why wouldn't Diablo 4 be the same kind of crap? This is how they make 100 times the money they would if they were to just make a good game and sell it without mtx.
Because for some insane reason, people can't just play something else. Blizzard is a shit company.
Me: what are the chances of getting a legendary 5-star gem? Like one in a hundred?
Blizzard: more like one in a million...
Me: So you're saying there's a chance!
Welcome to dumb and dumber the video game.
Any person who plaid D2 and D3: "Damn, those are very high chances."
What could've been another expansion for D3 Blizzard decides to cut content and turn it into a pay to win mobile game.
As someone who has paid off their student loans I still think forgiving the interest and just keeping them at 0% interest is a reasonable step to the studen loan depth. You don't get free money. They can't be removed by bankruptcy. And you don't have to pay 150k for a 30-40k loan.
After watching this I have lost any interest I had left in this game lol. This is absolutely ridiculous. Yeah sure you can say that this is for the whales and you can play most of the Content for free but knowing that my progression is severely hamstrung by these systems is just awful.
You might not like the gameplay of PoE, but at least they make sure that there is NO PAY-TO-WIN EVER. Hopefully this is a thing which lasts forever. The moment I saw the disgusting P2W in a Diablo game, It cemented the idea that the Blizzard I respected no longer existed.
Don't you guys have wallets? I knew as soon as they focused on mobile it was game-over.
There is many player in my country,VietNam,use RMT to play,selling account and currency,pay money to get sick build,and start grind currency over and over again.
@@Csdl15590-vnn SSF exists and i like to come back to play there when i don't feel like grinding for more money in trade league. And SSF will be a thing till Chris will be there, it's his "vision" of how the game should be played tbh.
Pay 2 win games ruined the fun.
A streamer 'yes that WAS p2w in the beta, but it looks like they've gotten rid of it..you can buy orbs with cash which are purely for cosmetics'
To refute the graph. There is another group, a non population of a game who hears about a pay to win policy and doesn't like it. That group is probably quite small but every time there's a major story like there was with Star wars battlefront 2 the population of those people gets larger.
I used to love watching Asmongold, been watching him for 3 years but the more viewers he gets the more he changes, its a shame or maybe i changed the way i see him. I hope the best for him, he is a good dude.
Yea, like I get the point of the video and I understand it’s bad, but just watching and listening to him is cringe and obnoxious 😂
Oh you don't have to worry about him.... making 1m a month.... yeah he's doing fine.
I'm glad that I can watch other people spend money on games so I don't have to
you know... the more i think about where gaming is the more i believe it's our fault. We reward this kind of shit. The more we pick up our wallet to get even one knick knack the more this shit will go on. The sad part is the younger gaming communities consider this shit the norm.
Been playing this mmo lineage 2 for like 16 years, with long term breaks. Seen this game turn form an actual subscription-based GAME, into a ftp/ptw mobile crap. 0 game play just rmt and gambling. No in game way to progress at all, just lootboxes. And everyone seems cool about it. All complain yet all buy everything like there is no tomorrow. it's insane to see. Talking for people who spent +100k $ overall.
Sorry for my rant, had to vent somewhere.
Don't say we. I have absolutely no fault in this. I've been against this shit since the beginnings of microtransactions.
@@dv2945 who is not against it buddy? how is that working out for everyone? it is a "we" thing
What's even more crazy is that this isnt even the most pay to win mobile game out there, look at the game that raid shadow legends ripped off which is called summoners war. People on that game spend 5 figures a month and sometime up to 6 figures
The other big point of Asmon’s graph is that the overwhelming majority of players aren’t even aware that the conversation is occuring.
And the majority of those players aren’t even looking at anything aside from the game, you will NEVER reach those people and it’s an uphill battle already to convince the people you are reaching.
Asmon does this every stream is it like his thing? It seems like he tries to push his opinions on his viewers ?? And he's never wrong and calling someone in his chat a narcissist is funny and before I get hate I enjoy his content I'm just making an observation if I'm wrong I apologize
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I won't be playing this garbage. I see too many people struggling to feed their families to justify spending hundreds on a video game.
Pay To Win games need to be outlawed. If one hadn't the time to actually play video games, maybe they've graduated from gaming.
Im so glad this game is banned in my country now lol
I’m pretty sure we’re on track gaming wise where the biggest game is gonna be a sword art online/ready player one with NFTs in them. Could be in the next 10 years or 100, who knows.
No wonder the game took forever to develop. They spent 90% of it working on the damn p2w system.
Asmon casually droppin the fact he rmt's in PoE.
I remember my friend used to sell door to door and I went with him once. " You got a corner or a table I could use" was a powerful tool once you got into the house the likelyhood of getting money was Soo much more
The funny part is that people think any of this is random drops……. It’s not. Your accounts have attached data that control the drops.
the reason they pay streamers and influencers to market their product is because its cheaper in the long term than traditional commercials. You go to a streamer and says heres 10 promote us for the next 2-3 months in a positive view and most will say yes. where as if you go to large sites or tv/cable media they want like 50k for the slots and then revenue for each add that goes out and % off what is made from those adds. Money is the answer and always will be.
Inflation all time high, gas prices all time high- blizzard “if you have time to play games, you should pay!”
Everyone apparently have their own version of what p2w is, as long as a game have things that you can pay for power it's considered p2w imo
The thing with Genshin though [what Asmon was mentioning] Is that it was already a modified version of Fate/Grand Order a mobile Gacha of the Fate series. But, what Genshin and FGO got right in terms of gacha, was being a F2P and a gigadick swinging whale didn't make much of a difference. You could still clear all content with what Genshin gave you, was it harder? Yes. But was it doable without being a literal perfect player? Yes. Their system was modified from FGO. There isn't much of a difference between being F2P and a 10k player. The 10k player has waaay better units, and can clear easily, but the F2P still has all the tools to clear the content as well just as easy. And the upgrade paths weren't locked solely to the whales, the time it took to upgrade/resources, were the same exact time it took to upgrade for the 10k player. And those resources, could never be bought with real cash. There was no Get in a car while they run the marathon system. So it retained players, who over time, spent money.
It's why they print money. People are reluctant to give you money if they feel that they HAVE to. But people will give you money if they see something cool that they don't need. Because people are stupid.
This is the same argument of 'why even vote because your vote doesn't matter'
It DOES matter, and thats how change is made. By the individual spending their money and not spending it
Cosmetics are also 25$ and single use. Means you spend 25$+ on one armor set per character
Pay 2 Win has been around a lot longer than Genshin Impact, the issue was it was mostly with mobile games. AAA gaming companies got wind of how much money the mobile market was making and then began to adopt the practice more and more, some like Activision even blatantly stating to their investors that they wanted the same types of mobile transactions in their PC and console titles because that's where the money was. There were card battle games, afk arena types, etc. that were p2w long before Genshin, it just never entered "mainstream" gaming until the publishers and devs realized how much money they were missing out on and the financial sector started talking about how the mobile gaming market was going to blow away console/PC market in terms of revenue. Activision acquired Candy Crush and then it was all downhill from there and most AAA companies now just want to hook people when they are kids so they have a long term money stream.
If we're being honest, as humans we've been conditioned for pay 2 win since we were kids. We were told/taught that people who had nicer clothes/dressed better got better jobs/interviews, from day 1 in any kind of sport it was implied the kid with $200 NIke's was better than the kid with $60 Reebok shoes, etc. Obviously that doesn't always work due to human skill level and what not, but it's honestly hilarious to look back over life and see how many people were already convinced of pay 2 win by all the money they wasted on "better" cars, equipment, clothes, etc.
D3 pay to win was awesome because the money actually (mostly) went to other players and they could cash out to their bank.
Most mobile games don't give the players a chance to profit.
45:40, I do disagree that where they are making their main money off of is "trawlers", or smaller spenders. This is just factually incorrect, while it depends on what top percentage you count as "whales", top spenders account for the majority of a game's income.
Different numbers I have found are top 10% being responsible for 70% a game's income, top .15% being responsible for 50% a game's income, and top 1% for 64% of a games income. While they are wildly different numbers, not a single one supports the claim that small spenders themselves make a mobile game an even comparable amount of money to the top spenders. While they are happy to take anyone's money, whales are who they cater to, the rest of the players are just there to help attract them to the buffet (through keeping the game relevant and "alive").
This topic is actually brought up in Let's Go Whaling, a video I believe Asmongold himself has watched. It might be worth a rewatch, just because of how prevalent and relevant those techniques are.
I mean... you have to assume blizzard wants the max stats to be near unattainable with prices like those.
This actually happened to me, they drastically changed ArcheAGe during the beta to the point where I'd never want to play it again, so letting me keep my money was useless
It's almost like the ire directed towards Immortal wasn't merely because it was a mobile game, but because everybody expected it to have all sorts of predatory monetization by virtue of it being a mobile game. And that's exactly what happened.