Saw this tour in Cleveland the summer after I graduated high school. I actually went with some friends and I wanted to see Rufio. I can honestly say that night changed the trajectory of my musical tastes moving forward. I just feel lucky we got to be a part of a genre changing tour like this.
It's so crazy I remember listening to this exact video a bunch like 12 years ago and it holds the fuck up the audio quality makes me smile. It doesn't need to be perfect because brand new and tbs are amazing
the orig emo dis track and regardless of what TBS claims now about how it was greatly exaggerated, it wasn't. Jesse Lacey, his gf Jessie and John Nolan arrived at a party together. Jesse was extremely drunk and passed out in the kitchen. John and Jesses gf Jessie took the opportunity to go up into an unoccupied bedroom and John's bitch ass put his hands all over and his swinging dick up inside his best friends girl. I believe someone woke poor Jesse up and told him what was happening, he walked up stairs opened the door and Sic transit gloria. And Brand New was what was created. This seems pretty early for their feud to be over... it lasted a while (into DAGARIM) I was not there. I'm not 'friends' with the either of the bands. I have been a fan since day 1 and have attended afterset parties with BN and while on a Drive Thru Records showcase mini tour, BN came and partied at my best friends house and we were introduced to an early acoustic performance of Boy Blocked his Own Shot. Very friendly guys and acted like we were all friends at an afterset.
RUFIO IS THE BEST. THANK YOU TBS FOR ALWAYS REMINDING ALL OF US THAT THERE WERE OTHERS MUSIC BACKBONE THROUGH ALL OF OUR ROUGH TIMES TRYING TO GROW UP. YOU ROCK ADA,=M
@@MrBrutaldeath95 "Tell All Your Friends" owns "Where You Want"--I will admit that Fred introduced some interesting guitar lines/chords, but lyrically and vocally he always just seemed like a paler imitation of Nolan's passion
correct me if i'm wrong, but the line "is that what you call tact, you're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back..." was a line that Jesse wrote about Adam after the incident. Adam stole the line for his own song, eventually admitting his own guilt and this is a coming together of the two parties for a brief time before TBS went mainstream and brand new decided to tour smaller venues
To be honest, I'm sorta glad this is something that wouldn't happen anymore. I think Brand New tore out of their (this) area of the music map and landed in uncharted territory with The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me. Jesse is so far beyond this now.
Little known fact Jesse Lacey infact used to be the lead vocals for TBS back on their very first album until he was later replaced by Antonio Longo, Lacey went on to form Brand New, and as you can see Longo was later replaced by Lazzara
Well, the whole reason I love TBS is because in their albums, They worked up to changing their sound. In Where You Want To Be, They didn't completely change, they only changed a little, which it what I really love. Where, Brand News second album was completely different (Veto like 2 songs) and it took me a while to get used too.All of TBS album especially TAYF and Louder Now,have alot of meaning + They are more dramatic than BN.I don't wanna fight over them anymore because it's very debateable.
@MarcDshort108 I'm not sure. I think the whole dispute happened before this. considering these songs were written about. it. That's why they both share the line "is that what you call tact, you're a subtle as a brick..."
kind of confused.. i thought this song was about the feud between Jessie Lacy and TBS singer (dunno his name). so why are they singing it together? Was this recorded after the feud and their make up?
@@toasty973 lol, yes dude! I love RUclips and the YT community and reply to people because they don't have a private message options; Plus, they are censoring anything real or of substance and pushing garbage to brainwash the masses, but hey, what's new? Hello, my friend, 6 years later. I hope you are well, and stay blessed as they thrust this Brave New World upon us!
You should have seen Bert from the used back in the day. I was at an outdoor concert like 10 to 15 years ago and he wrapped his neck in the mic chord and jumped off of a pa speaker into the crowd and surfed im still suprised people caught him hahahaha 😆
i totally agree. tbs's first 2 albums where slightly better then brand new's. but then tbs just kinda fell off musically while brand new got waaay better.
I will disagree with this. Tell al your friend's is better then Your Favorite weapon a tad but TBS fell off when John left. After that the melodies didn't flow as well.
this video jesse look akward on this the whole show i cant belive the story behind sister of jesse its all john nolan fault why jesse leave the band sad story.😥
This was recorded by someone with a mini Dv camcorder. Probably the band having one of their friends record it. And that's all that exists. Cause this doesn't even do it justice. Notice everyone in that crowd actually feeling that music?, living in that moment? Because the best part, not a single fucking cell phone recording any of it. I saw TBS in 2002....open for box car racer..... which was practically a 5 month chance to see live and I'll never forget it
Everyone is questiong why? Even me like thought they were all diss tracks Brand New wrote about John and Adam. I have a feeling that everyone was just drunk and in the same town said Fuck it. Play it once for the fans ever then tell each other "fuck off"
+nesh116 Nolan f***ed Lacey's girlfriend... Another fun fact after Nolan went on to date Lazzara's sister then cheated on her. You should do your research Jacob.
+James Press you're wrong. Adam dated John's sister, not the other way around. And from what Shaun said it was about John making out with a girl Jesse liked.
+Jack Gray Shaun said John made out with a girl Lacey liked. Lacey says John banged his gf. It's all about who you ask. The truth is probably somewhere in between. By the way they are definitely not friends again. After this show they continued to talk shit about each other even though they have been on a few tours together they definitely never "made up"
There's a lot to look into here, and I've spent quite a bit of time over the years trying to piece together the truth, unfortunately that will only be known by these two. Anyway, to sum it all up: as the song says they "were" best friends... And I truly think they still are at the time of this performance. It's rumored that this event wasn't as deep or profound as we all made it out to be, this is partially due to the fact that Jesse Lacey is a genius with song writing. Moving on, TBS singer bested Jesse at a party with "some girl" no one's gf or anything. So, Jesse, being the lyrical God he is, wrote this song. We just all made such a big deal about it and turned it into what it became. I personally find the lyrics at the end of The Shower Scene more intriguing, "...Go tell him how my wrist is sore, from pulling at your insides all night..."
ShadowCrowX www.stereogum.com/1784065/taking-back-sundaybrand-new-beef-is-still-hot-after-15-years/wheres-the-beef/ this is the first one to come up in google serch, but there are a lot of early 2015 interviews and stuff in which they (mostly TBS) state that they still do not like each other at all
@eatsleeprawr95 no 70 times 7 was about john nolan having sex with jesse lacey's girlfriend they were best friends all through high school and then that happened. he wrote 70 times 7 in spite of john nolan. then taking back sunday wrote there's no i in team to retaliate against jesse lacey.
Honestly a lot of it was seriously overblown (something TBS admitted many years later during interviews) to be sort an emo band based beef similar to that of Jay-Z vs Nas back in those days. It made for some great music though, that's for sure.
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this has got to be the most iconic thing to happen
I wore a brand new shirt to school today and my english tshirt ealked up to me and told me how he was at this show. Holyshit
Mr Professional What's worse is looking up Brand New online, especially merch.
Tell all the English shirts you meet bout the American shirt back in the States
your teacher is rad.
damn....you know you're old when....
I’m old 😭
Does anyone else get goosebumps from this?
Saw this exact tour in Fresno 2002 best show of my life. Power went out. Ended up watching Rufio in a backyard. Cops broke it up so freakin cool.
Saw this tour in Cleveland the summer after I graduated high school. I actually went with some friends and I wanted to see Rufio. I can honestly say that night changed the trajectory of my musical tastes moving forward. I just feel lucky we got to be a part of a genre changing tour like this.
if I could go back in time I would go to this show
Same, tbh.
Originally saw this performance on a download off limewire.
theres no end to what i would give to go back in time to see this show.
Adam, John and Jesse.... The ultimate combination of awesome
Needs some Fred
@@TormentDubz imagine the friction and tension
I love how I just watched a video where Adam said, "I don't know Jesse Lacey," yet they had to have known each at least a little bit?!
It's so crazy I remember listening to this exact video a bunch like 12 years ago and it holds the fuck up the audio quality makes me smile. It doesn't need to be perfect because brand new and tbs are amazing
so perfect, watched it so many times
Everything is in a mess... But dang when you're there watching, everything is heavenly.
It's a damn cell phone recording, what did you expect.
cell phones didn't have video cameras this good in 2002
camera doesn't always see it but from about 2:40 to 3:00 jesse is singing straight at john its awesome
man these guys put on a good show back then. Takes me back to highschool memories.
Nothing is better than emo diss tracks
the orig emo dis track and regardless of what TBS claims now about how it was greatly exaggerated, it wasn't. Jesse Lacey, his gf Jessie and John Nolan arrived at a party together. Jesse was extremely drunk and passed out in the kitchen. John and Jesses gf Jessie took the opportunity to go up into an unoccupied bedroom and John's bitch ass put his hands all over and his swinging dick up inside his best friends girl. I believe someone woke poor Jesse up and told him what was happening, he walked up stairs opened the door and Sic transit gloria.
And Brand New was what was created.
This seems pretty early for their feud to be over... it lasted a while (into DAGARIM)
I was not there. I'm not 'friends' with the either of the bands. I have been a fan since day 1 and have attended afterset parties with BN and while on a Drive Thru Records showcase mini tour, BN came and partied at my best friends house and we were introduced to an early acoustic performance of Boy Blocked his Own Shot. Very friendly guys and acted like we were all friends at an afterset.
2:48 what a moment. so much feels and deep meaning inside that.
they're so young and adorable haha. their energy is amazing. jesse
RUFIO IS THE BEST. THANK YOU TBS FOR ALWAYS REMINDING ALL OF US THAT THERE WERE OTHERS MUSIC BACKBONE THROUGH ALL OF OUR ROUGH TIMES TRYING TO GROW UP. YOU ROCK ADA,=M
I remember watching this when I was 13. I'm 30 now. wtf. anyways "Mic's are for singing, not swinging!"
i was at this show... and it was amazing
Bo Burbank my dad performed before this
taking back sunday + brand new= powerhouse
I totally remember making my friend listen to this song when we were in the middle of having a falling lol it was how I felt
2:49 onwards... holy shit dem feels.
tbs was raw back then
brand new is still raw
In a brand called band new
brand new is the better band, but they will never be able to touch where you want to be, that album was perfection
MrBrutaldeath95 Science Fiction > Devil & God > Tell All Your Friends > Daisy > Where You Want To Be > Deja.
@@MrBrutaldeath95 "Tell All Your Friends" owns "Where You Want"--I will admit that Fred introduced some interesting guitar lines/chords, but lyrically and vocally he always just seemed like a paler imitation of Nolan's passion
@@G9402 nah devil and god is better than science fiction
@@MrBrutaldeath95 Literally any Brand New album except Daisy blows Where You Wanna Be. IMO Tell All Your Friends was the best TBS album.
did somebody shout "do it Doug" ?? brilliant!!
How iconic is that though. Gues performing in a hate song about yourself
I miss brand new :(
we NEED a TBS, Brand New and Straylight Run tour!
Jesse Lacey is a bad person, but I agree
@@skeight976 dude ur missing my point
@@skeight976 and why you tryna to defend him 😭?
“its just music”
I wish they played this fast on all versions
best thing ever
correct me if i'm wrong, but the line "is that what you call tact, you're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back..." was a line that Jesse wrote about Adam after the incident. Adam stole the line for his own song, eventually admitting his own guilt and this is a coming together of the two parties for a brief time before TBS went mainstream and brand new decided to tour smaller venues
It wasn't Adam, but John.
"That's right, he said it"
I have another vid from this show on my old pc. Someone uploaded this set on Kazaa back in '03ish and I watched it over and over
To be honest, I'm sorta glad this is something that wouldn't happen anymore. I think Brand New tore out of their (this) area of the music map and landed in uncharted territory with The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me. Jesse is so far beyond this now.
Its a shame this doesn't have more likes, com'on people
im glad they are best friends again
They're not.
***** They are definitely not friends
Little known fact
Jesse Lacey infact used to be the lead vocals for TBS back on their very first album until he was later replaced by Antonio Longo, Lacey went on to form Brand New, and as you can see Longo was later replaced by Lazzara
true its true
THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER SO SAD I LOVE THEM
omfg
this is amazing
Can you imagine how much people would absolutely scream and lost their collective shit if this happened now
YES!
2 fuckin awesomeeeee songs stemmed from an unfortunate situation.
is adam wearing a rufio shirt?! remember rufio!??!!
Fuck yeah, they were awsome, aren´t they back together?
i have no idea?! anything i see on the web says no.... i'd see em if i could though! i still love playin Above me. fun damn tune
I saw the last Rufio show in Guadalajara, México, and after that, i heard a lot of rumors of a reunion, but nothing so far
Manuel González Damn people that know Rufio and are fans of tbs and bn! Hey brothers
I FUCKING LOVE RUFiO, THEY'RE MY GOD DAMN FAVORITE!!!
Who else is watching this in 2017?
ME!
2018
2018
Sean Mcgivney 2018
2019....
monumental....
I love both bands, tbs will always be my favorite though but brand new is 2nd lol and wow john and Jesse look the same in the video xD
Imagine being there...If only
Well, the whole reason I love TBS is because in their albums, They worked up to changing their sound. In Where You Want To Be, They didn't completely change, they only changed a little, which it what I really love. Where, Brand News second album was completely different (Veto like 2 songs) and it took me a while to get used too.All of TBS album especially TAYF and Louder Now,have alot of meaning + They are more dramatic than BN.I don't wanna fight over them anymore because it's very debateable.
Brand new is always better
I always liked to believe they were the type of emo kids that were still tough enough that they'd fight about it
adam lazzara is my hero
Why is this video titled with Seventy Times 7?
God I would've killed to go to this show.
So many dudes wish they were the girl that they wrote these songs over.. that's called emo. Thank you.
Damn I was there for this
Doubt it.
LITTLE DID THEY KNOW
Fuuuuuuckkkk Yesss! This is wonderful!
@MarcDshort108 I'm not sure. I think the whole dispute happened before this. considering these songs were written about. it. That's why they both share the line "is that what you call tact, you're a subtle as a brick..."
JESSE!!!!!
kind of confused.. i thought this song was about the feud between Jessie Lacy and TBS singer (dunno his name). so why are they singing it together? Was this recorded after the feud and their make up?
My comment may be a bit late, but yeah. Pretty much that's what happened.
@@toasty973 No worries, thanks for the reply!
@@jachzohnson woah I think this is actually the first time that I replied to an old comment and someone commented back
@@toasty973 lol, yes dude!
I love RUclips and the YT community and reply to people because they don't have a private message options; Plus, they are censoring anything real or of substance and pushing garbage to brainwash the masses, but hey, what's new?
Hello, my friend, 6 years later. I hope you are well, and stay blessed as they thrust this Brave New World upon us!
Lmao yeah wow RUclips is epic that way
THIS. WHY IS THIS NOT BEST COMMENT.
Mics are for singing, not for swinging
You should have seen Bert from the used back in the day. I was at an outdoor concert like 10 to 15 years ago and he wrapped his neck in the mic chord and jumped off of a pa speaker into the crowd and surfed im still suprised people caught him hahahaha 😆
Wheres the video where Adam sings 70X7 with brand new? it was on the same day as this video
Louie Quiroz I think it was John who sang it same day.
Love the Rufio shirt!
gold :)
Vintage shit right here
the fight between john and jesse was over by this time.
I CANT BELIEVE IVE NEVER SEEN THIS UNTIL TONIGHT
jesse influenced that first album hella much, thats why the others all sound different
i can’t be the only one who thinks john and jesse look like brothers
over ten years ago....
i totally agree. tbs's first 2 albums where slightly better then brand new's. but then tbs just kinda fell off musically while brand new got waaay better.
I will disagree with this. Tell al your friend's is better then Your Favorite weapon a tad but TBS fell off when John left. After that the melodies didn't flow as well.
Deja Entendu is the best out of all four of those albums and it's not even close.
wow! i was only in grade 2 when this happened :|
Anyone know where this show was? Like what state, at least?? I see it says "The Tulagi", but...I have no idea where that is, lol
It was Boulder Colorado. Says it at the bottom at the start and the end.
@@TheCorky42090 Thanks. Sorry, I'm a dumbass
Colorado
Rufio shirt!!!!
i didn't hear 70x7
Mics are for singing not swinging.
🤣 this made me laugh. One thing I loved about TBS shows was watching Adam swing the mic and I took so many good pictures of him doing it.
we looked for the twin...back then.....
this video jesse look akward on this the whole show i cant belive the story behind sister of jesse its all john nolan fault why jesse leave the band sad story.😥
Woah I thought they still hated each other in 02
I dont get it. this video makes me feel they patched things up, but wasnt "Okay I believe you but my tommy gun dont" about Adam?
What's wrong with Taking Back Sunday?
Brand New's album 'Favourite Weapon' sounds very much like TBS.
Where was this show?
this is from 02. was that pre adam vs jesse?
I've never liked this band probably and hopefully never will but jesse is the fucking man
@wickedjacob it was a decade ago... are you as energetic as you were ten years ago assuming you're in your late-20's/early 30's?
This was recorded by someone with a mini Dv camcorder. Probably the band having one of their friends record it. And that's all that exists. Cause this doesn't even do it justice. Notice everyone in that crowd actually feeling that music?, living in that moment? Because the best part, not a single fucking cell phone recording any of it. I saw TBS in 2002....open for box car racer..... which was practically a 5 month chance to see live and I'll never forget it
Taking Back Sunday could of been so big
I'm so confused. I thought 70x7 was about Adam Lazzara? What is going on? lol
It's about John
Everyone is questiong why? Even me like thought they were all diss tracks Brand New wrote about John and Adam. I have a feeling that everyone was just drunk and in the same town said Fuck it. Play it once for the fans ever then tell each other "fuck off"
Someone help me out im so confused i thought they hated each other and these songs were about each other..... Wtf
they made up years ago and are all good again. They've performed multiple times together.
in actuality all that happened was that John Nolan made out with a girl that Jesse Lacey called "dibs" on at a party
+nesh116 Nolan f***ed Lacey's girlfriend... Another fun fact after Nolan went on to date Lazzara's sister then cheated on her. You should do your research Jacob.
+James Press you're wrong. Adam dated John's sister, not the other way around. And from what Shaun said it was about John making out with a girl Jesse liked.
+Jack Gray Shaun said John made out with a girl Lacey liked. Lacey says John banged his gf. It's all about who you ask. The truth is probably somewhere in between.
By the way they are definitely not friends again. After this show they continued to talk shit about each other even though they have been on a few tours together they definitely never "made up"
They were just kids!
Is he wearing a Rufio shirt? 🤣
Rufio was the other opener on this tour.
@wickedjacob because they are famous as shit man they are no one here compared to where they all are now.
Why is Jessie singing to a diss track about himself?
There's a lot to look into here, and I've spent quite a bit of time over the years trying to piece together the truth, unfortunately that will only be known by these two.
Anyway, to sum it all up: as the song says they "were" best friends... And I truly think they still are at the time of this performance. It's rumored that this event wasn't as deep or profound as we all made it out to be, this is partially due to the fact that Jesse Lacey is a genius with song writing. Moving on, TBS singer bested Jesse at a party with "some girl" no one's gf or anything. So, Jesse, being the lyrical God he is, wrote this song. We just all made such a big deal about it and turned it into what it became.
I personally find the lyrics at the end of The Shower Scene more intriguing, "...Go tell him how my wrist is sore, from pulling at your insides all night..."
@aburnxingexample14 you obviously have not been to an old school show.
This is so awkward?
It's so odd to see so many guys out there, the scene really turned around like a year later to have so many more females. Hm.
@wickedjacob - Still see it in Jesse Lacey. Not TBS so much. I can't even bear to listen to TBS anymore, apart from their first couple of records.
@tomperrone420 exactly.
so with Jesse being here, is this where they buried the hatchet and settled the feud between each other?
+ShadowCrowX are you kidding me? the feud still lives to this day
beethreefour how do you know this?
ShadowCrowX www.stereogum.com/1784065/taking-back-sundaybrand-new-beef-is-still-hot-after-15-years/wheres-the-beef/ this is the first one to come up in google serch, but there are a lot of early 2015 interviews and stuff in which they (mostly TBS) state that they still do not like each other at all
+ShadowCrowX Its pretty much gone
The feud will live on for generations. More historic than the hatfields and mccoys.
is that adam?
@eatsleeprawr95 no 70 times 7 was about john nolan having sex with jesse lacey's girlfriend they were best friends all through high school and then that happened. he wrote 70 times 7 in spite of john nolan. then taking back sunday wrote there's no i in team to retaliate against jesse lacey.
a cultural reset
i thought they didn't like jesse at this time?
I don't get it I thought that they hated each other
Honestly a lot of it was seriously overblown (something TBS admitted many years later during interviews) to be sort an emo band based beef similar to that of Jay-Z vs Nas back in those days. It made for some great music though, that's for sure.