@@lifeisgoodskt that's the best part of it. she doesn't know. she doesn' care. they got a whole lot of money because of it, tho. I hope they both pay her bills for at least two generations
I went to summer school in 2004. Inside the high school were a bunch of art projects from the past year. There were two human-shaped cut-outs next to each other. One had the lyrics to "There's No I in Team" written in red, the other had the lyrics to "Seventy Times 7" in blue. Memories!
Been listening to Brand New since 2003. That band means so much to me. I met my first real friend during my first day of high school. I had a Brand New patch on my backpack and he was like "they're a good band," and the rest was history. He ended up being my best friend throughout my high school and college career. He pretty helped shape my life, into the man I am today. Sadly, he took his life several years ago.
Sorry for your loss man. With each album release (no matter how painstakingly long) it’s been oddly accurate, lyrically and thematically, to that period of my life. I’m positive that almost every fan who followed along all those years felt that similar connection. I know it allowed me to manage my mental state to some extent while going through difficult times. I can only assume that your friend, while battling his demons, likely used brand new in a similar way. I’d bet his relationship with the band often brought him out of some dark situations until the last hump was too much. Not sure it was a “life saver” at any point for myself, but I refuse to downplay that many out there did get themselves some extra time at the very least, just by turning on a powerful track. sometimes turning the volume up and letting out some lyrically inspirational screams with Jesse really evens a person out 🤷♂️
I'm sorry about your friend 😔 it's nice that you two had that deep musical connection that keeps him alive in your mind any time you hear a BN song. Bittersweet for sure, but still a pretty powerful way to feel connected to him every now and again 🤷♀️
The most overblown "fued" of all time, neither Jesse nor John cared about what happened by the time the bands were touring those debut albums, they just played up a fake beef for publicity and to get the kids talking about both bands and it worked at the time.
I have waited for this day to come since you started this channel, lol. As a huge TBS fan, my heart is full, and the fact that you dropped this the day before my bday is icing on the cake
Obviously to each their own but Idk how anyome can prefer TBS over Brand New. Dont get me wrong TBS had some jams but Brand New actually made masterpieces
@@t5dagreat it’s a nothing sandwich tbh. Gerard stopped using drugs, Bert lost a partying buddy(and went on to lose band members for that behaviour as well) and was REALLY sore about it, invading one of mcr’s set with a megaphone to spoil the performance. Some say the song “pretty handsome awkward” is inspired by Gerard. They made up after Bert laid off the heavier stuff, though I don’t think there was ever any negative feelings on mcr’s behalf.
It sounds like smart marketing to me, to boost record sales for each band. Friends trying to help each other blow up with their debut albums by creating a feud. “Hey did you hear what they wrote about brand new in the new tbs album?” “No, did you hear what they said about tbs in the brand new album?” Boom, kids buy both albums, they tour together, then capitalize on merch featuring small digs at each other. It’s genius.
OK that was pretty accurate… inaccuracies are Jenna was Jesse‘s girlfriend by then. They had been together for almost a year at least by then. Everyone in Long Island knew about it because it happened at a party Everyone was at. Jesse made a big deal and broke his hand punching a wall. Later he wrote and recounted his side of the story in his live journal later that night… the Stryder have songs about her and bayside too, I know cause I wrote the words to the bayside song lol. She was a damn heart breaker
This is WAY more innocent than I expected. I went to high school near Charlotte, so TBS was a big deal. The rumor around our school was Adam was dating Jesse’s sister and cheated on her, that’s what caused all the drama.
Went to the taking Back Sunday brand new and Rufio show in Fresno California in 2002. Taking Back Sunday played then brand new played half of their set before the power went out. We were stuck outside for an hour waiting finally Rufio played in a random backyard about 6 blocks away from the venue the police came about 30 min into it so fun! I was like 15. It was one of the best shows of my life.
I had always assumed Jesse had been dating the girl. Holy crap that truly is the lowest stakes beef possible while simultaneously being completely understandable having been a dumb emotionally immature Long Island teenage boy myself and gotten into fights with close friends over that exact scenario. I think the only connection to the Lacey misconduct is that entire strain of emo betraying a pretty unhealthy entitled attitude towards women. With regards to the later Lazzara statement, it could be behind the scenes knowledge but it was also kinda common knowledge within the scene that Jesse Lacey was quite a misanthropic unpleasant person.
Yes, absolutely. Of the few times I've seen Brand New, once at the House of Blues, he (Jesse) was....drunk or on acid, lol something. He was totally phoning it in, not even singing at a lot of parts. It was a concert worth paying for yes, but he for sure wasn't giving it his all...and many people noticed.
This all went down just a bit before my time, I didn’t get into either band until 2004 so it was all ingrained into the emo mythology already. I remember old forum discussions pouring over the details for like a hundred pages, and even back then I thought there was no way the drama was really that juicy, haha. Great vid Cozy!
Not specifically. I did go on Absolutepunk a lot, probably a bunch of others I can’t really recall by name. More than likely I’m also remembering some discussions from IRC chats or something and blending those into my memories. 20 years and a lot of drugs will do that to ya.
I thought the bigger beef was between TBS and Straylight Run back in the day. Half the band abruptly quit in the middle of tour, started a new band, leaked some demo songs alluding to Adam. And “Where You Want to Be” was the response album from TBS. So much emo drama 😂
Thanks for covering this. Also, can’t forget about the infamous 2007 Bamboozle. Story goes that Brand New were supposed to play later on Sunday but then TBS got added in last minute and refused to play before Brand New. So Brand New played first on the main stage. Played Degausser twice (😂) then closed with Seventy Times 7.
brand new was one of my absolute favorite bands growing up- they showed so much maturity and some really great songwriting and production on the devil and god, daisy and science fiction. it was really sad to learn about jesse lacey’s (more than just allegations) misconduct. he even confirmed it himself.
@@melancholist”he even confirmed it himself” isn’t entirely true. He never confirmed he messed with under age girls. The initial girl that accused him and said she was under age at the time was actually proven to have been lying. She has graduated high school a few years prior to meeting Lacey. So they did have a relationship but NOT while she was under age. She also didn’t “come out about it” until after her friend who was a guitar tech was fired by Jesse Lacey and after he tweeted “with all these allegations going around does anyone have anything on Jesse Lacey?” Also he supposed email proof was proven to be a mass email to fans in regards to the release of an album. So super sus. Lacey simply just said he use to have a drinking problem and treated women badly. (Which he had been open about for many many years prior to the allegations) The Brand New shows I attended they asked for food and supplies for women’s shelters. So I believe he was a jerk. And changed. And is innocent of the under age thing. But was open about being guilty of treating women and other people badly. He talks about it a lot at shows.
@TheSleepyJoenah. Not for the under age thing. In fact the girl that accused him of it was proven to be lying about how old she was. She wasn’t under age when they had a fling. She also didn’t say anything until after her friend who was a guitar tech got fired by Jesse Lacey and tweeted of anyone had anything on Lacy that could get him cancelled. So super sus. Jesse has also been super open for many years before the allegations that he was a bad person in his youth and treated people , especially women, very poorly. But the brand new shows I attended they asked you to bring food and supplies for women’s shelters. So I believe he was a jerk but changed. He gave credit to his brothers in brand new and his wife for fighting for him and their relationship even after he did her wrong. The love and Grace they showed him changed him.
Would you ever cover Brand New on this channel? I KNOW it's a bit of a sore subject for some, and rightfully so, but there's no denying their impact on the music world.
@@Ama40401 TCR actually goes into it into this video, basically some chick's accused him of sexually exploiting his minor fans back in the day. Think what you want of jesse, but brand new and Vincent and the other guys still deserve respect in the emo genre. They were the emo genre
@@aironnocturnal5365 Very disengenuous take as they're one of the most talented bands in the emo genre. Incredibly influential on the genre's "revival" and pretty much all the bands in the emo genre suck them off pretty hard.
Instant follow. In fact, I think I love you..... No, HI! Reggie here from Aphile *Early 200O's band from B-more). Listen, I just want to say thank you for bringing relevance back to 2 of my 10 favorite bands of all time. You da Man!!!
I love your videos, they really bring me back. I will never forget how I discovered Taking Back Sunday back in 2003 When I was 12 my mom took me to go see one of my favorite bands at the time Blink 182 and I will never forget the feeling when this pretty unknown band opened the show for Blink It was Taking Back Sunday, it completely blew me away and I went and got the first two albums as soon as I could. I've been a fan ever since and holy crap the mosh pit they had was awesome. Not long after my mom and I started seeing them all over the radio and MTV. What a great show, No Doubt was supposed to play after them but cancelled so Cypress Hill took the spot for them Much thanks for the videos man keep it up!
I was a hardcore TBS fan back then, and now that I’m finally going to a concert soon I felt like I had to get my facts straight on this hahahah thank you for this video! Subscribed!
I'm with you. BN music as a whole is so much better than TBS. I was really into TBS too but wouldn't say I love any album all thw way through. I moreso had a couple of songs I loved on albums with a handful I liked and another handful I always skipped.
The feud did get a second wind after Nolan left TBS and started Straylight Run. it was kind of a triple feud at that time with songs like play crack the sky and slow dance adding some more drama into it, was worth mentioning imo
26:42 shout out to Sal Villanueva, he recorded my band and played in Murphy’s Law. Awesome dude, TBS liked him so much they named a song after him “the ballad of Sal Villanueva”. Nothing to do with the video, just wanted to throw that out there.
YOU CRUSHED IT AGAIN, MY DUDE! This is subject is something I brought up in my earlier comments when I first found you two years ago. You make such great content. It’s so cool you do such niche stuff but a little sad you’re not to 50K subs yet. You deserve at minimum one-hundo and greater, dude. Love your material and you really do your research and KNOW YOUR SHIT!
Didn't expect Rufio to be featured in this video but they have one of the coolest debuts in pop punk ever, not to mention their song "She Cries" was miscredited as being a Simple Plan song in P2P apps back in day, I wonder if anyone else found about them that way too
I do think the lines, "best friends means.. best friends means.." is resolved. Of course at the end of the song but also in that moment as well because it gives you a sense that they both have an unspoken understanding of what that means. I think its good writing 😂
Good job man! I’m from LI, grew up in the scene and liked both band’s, never took sides after learning they had “beef”. I respect them both more after learning it was strategically planned, playing right into the hands of fans lol
Apparently, the "wearing your black eye like a badge of honor" is based on John giving Jesse a black eye and Jesse posting a photo online and trying to get people to feel sorry for him. I'm not sure how true all of that is. But there is, in fact, a picture of Jesse with a black eye that he posted during this beef, so who knows? I will say, though, we got some great and classic songs out of this beef and while I love both bands they both hold a special place in my heart, Brand New became one of my all time favorite bands of any genre.
Something that I think actually makes this "feud" the most interesting is that these songs end up not falling into the the exact boring sexist themes that a lot of other emo does at this time ("The Curse of Curves" is the worst example). It's not GREAT to women of course (they're treated more like plot points than people) but it means that the songs end up being focuses on these intimate male friendships. It's never that they miss the girl--it's that they miss each other.
I do wonder if Adam’s 2015 comments were just a way to drum up hype for both the new albums coming out from TBS and Brand New in the near future. Let’s be honest, most people had lost interest in TBS by 2015 and so just seems like an attempt to make a quick headline.
This "feud" was interesting. BUT to me the most interesting was that TBS used a Brand New song to inspire some of the lyrics on "There's No 'I' In Team"; can't believe I am just now learning this
Is it just me or does it seem pretty damn likely that virtually all of these 2000’s emo/screamo/post hardcore guys had at least a few sexual encounters with minors at some point in their career? These dudes were basically all Justin Bieber in the eyes of the 13-16 year old emo and scene girls who made up a substantial portion of their fan bases and guys in successful touring bands aren’t exactly known for their chastity, fidelity and their willingness to say no to sex. Surely some guys drew a hard line at messing with underage girls but when you’ve got an army of young teenage girls who worship the ground you walk on, it seems like a lot of these dudes just weren’t willing to resist for long if they resisted at all. I bet that sort of thing was rampant back in that 2002-2010 era.
You glossed over the Kitchen being a local hangout spot in Long Island where the two bands hung out and the supposed "stolen lines" that John and Jesse wrote there.
on the back of the brand new “because mics are for singing not swinging” merch it said “you know who you are” i saw some photos of the hoodie version recently :p
I had the hoodie in 05, but i accidently ordered a freakin youth small instead of a regular small, ugh. Needless to say, I didn't wear it much as i could hardly zip it up! I still have the jellyfish tote from that order though!
The real question is.. what band was actually better... thats the hard one. In my opinion Brand New was the better band with more quality albums overall. I feel like Tell All Your Friends was pretty much a perfect album, but the TBS albums go downhill after that (more pop, less raw). Brand New on the other hand made each album different and equal if not better than their predecessor. Both bands are top top tier, but I'd take Brand New over TBS in quality.
that’s an easy question. Brand New is leagues better. You could argue against TBS’ debut album being better than Brand New’s debut album, but after that there really is no competition at all. Brand New destroys TBS
@@SaintKines Correction: Brand New wrote 30 songs better than TBS.... but TBS is more fun. I love both, TBS has 24-25 great songs, Brand New has 0 bad songs... Both live in my heart, one is better at songwriting, the other better at staying a band.
@@curtiswilson3569 I'll have to go through and see if I missed any Brand New albums. The Quiet Things is the best "EMO" band song of all time in my opinion. This is possible because I don't rate Glassjaw as EMO like many others do.
This is like the second or third video I've seen from you and you're pretty funny dude, I usually don't like funny dudes but you're cool. I'm in no way you avoiding your channel at all but it's only come up and I've only seen what has come up and that's about three times three videos, so I'mma keep an eye out for you to look up your channel some more and I'll probably be subscribed by the time you read this depending on things. I love the rock content, big into metal stuff nowadays and got my roots with bands like brand new so this was pretty fresh and also a kick back to the old days so, thanks dog. good stuff
i felt the same way when Adam made that comment in 2015, when that stuff came out in 2017 i instantly thought of those comments. i think he might have known something but didnt want to be the guy to call it out. Great video, I used to be a hardcore Brand New and TBS fan, you taught me a lot of stuff i didnt know lol
Brand New will always be my life and my soul. Jesse influenced me to write, I’m a serious poet and write music for a living… I get it, people do shit and in the past, I did myself would lie about my age just to hang out with guys and have fun But…. Appreciate the video. Had both bands albums, cuz my band buddies listened you know how it is. One listens we all listen. Brand New just did it for me and saved my life when my parents divorced, when my parents moved away, when my parents died… Brand New was there for me.. gosh hate that they aren’t together I would play Taking Back Sunday, on my acoustic at parties to get guys to look at me. It worked haha but yes, this is hometown local band drama shit haha Know all about it… But thank you 🙏 came across your channel cuz I was missing Brand New and was just surfing and happy I found you Thanks ❤
CONCEPT: a working playlist of allllll the beef songs that have been featured on this channel (preferably in order i.e. "seventy times 7" followed by "there's no 'i' in team", "vengeance" followed by "king of amarillo", etc.), it'd be bop after bop after bop lol
I remember when Taking Back Sunday’s first album dropped. It blew me away. I still have that CD. I had no idea about this beef. I never even listened to Brand New. I don’t know why, they just didn’t cross my radar back then. I can’t remember if I picked up swinging my microphone from AFI or Taking Back Sunday. Maybe a combination of the two. I know I aped Davey Havoc’s mic style a lot. But I learned a valuable lesson one night as I swung my mic around, the mic disconnected from the cord and rocketed straight into the pickup of my Les Paul, denting the pickup cover. I learned that if you’re going to swing your mic like a goon, wrap the connection with duct tape so it’ll stay attached. It never disconnected on me again.
I seen them when the feud was just beginning amazing times …. Small venues, bands in the pit when they weren’t playing watching others… taking back Sunday, brand new, Rufio, the movielife, the starting line, sugarcult and many More still my go to and listen to til this day.
dudeee this is the first video i've watched by you and since i've gone back and watched your other stuff, and you are like, fucking perfect just everything is great, like, i can find someone talking about boys like girls for once
There's still a lot of other beef to discuss. There's the Adam and Jesse beef ("Okay, I Believe You, But My Tommy Gun Don't"). While Jesse and John were able to make up, it feels like (my speculation) Adam and Jesse have always hated each other, or at least never been in a room together long enough to resolve it. Then the rest of the internal TBS drama (John and Shaun leaving and making Straylight Run, Fred leaving, Matts getting kicked out for TAYF lineup, Eddie's departure).
I saw Brand New at the 9:30 Club in 2004 and John Nolan was up in the Box seats going back and forth laughing with Jesse while he was on stage, it was cool to see.
I'm 34 and Brand New was my favorite band back in 2008-2010 and I used to be Team Jesse so hard during all the discussions of these songs and it's freaking hilarious to find out the truth was so much nothing. I'm laughing at my own naïveté back then 😂
I actually hosted a show with John and Shawn’s band Straylight Run in 2008 (two years before they reunited with TBS). I was having a beer with John, Shawn, and their drummer Will, and I actually asked him about this beef. He told me that he thought the sensationalized versions everyone said was really funny, and it was pretty much nothing. Basically they just rolled with it for the lolz. Pretty much what you’ve said in this video, John told me directly when I asked. Situation with the girl, then they made up and toured together.
I don't care that much about this particular fued/beef/misunderstanding or whatever you want to call it, *BUT* I LOVE THIS CHANNEL & will listen to you talk about Ke$ha, Rihanna or whatever you want to talk about! (Please talk about Saosin sometime soon!)
I just stopped by to bring up the time Howard Jones of Killswitch Engage nailed Adam D. in the eyebrow with his microphone while swinging it around. It was pretty epic.
I remember that from the Set This World Ablaze DVD. Literally the first song of the set. Joel's dad was there and had an extra bandaid on him and it kept falling off. Adam paid a fan $5 to lick the wound and he has hardcore kid aids to this day.
"I think Jesse Lacey is just a dick. He just sucks. He's not a good person." is probably my favorite thing to come out of all of this and I quote it everytime the beef or brand new come up because it is always so funny to me how random that was but as it turned out, apparently true lol
Omg! I just clicked, and you have no idea how excited I am!!! I "discovered" TBS in my tiny town of Mayberry, NC when I was 13yo, when I downloaded their demo (Also some of my favorite versions of their songs are the demo versions but don't tell them lol), and my whole friend Group credits me for being introduced to TBS and brand new, Lol. I saw them when I went to see coheed and Cambria like 3 years ago, and TVS was so disappointing and depressing to me lol. Nothing like they used to be. But I'm definitely interested to hear your take on these guys! 👀👀👀😘
On the lyrics booklets in both bands albums they would thank their “brothers in” Brand New / Taking Back Sunday. So hearing that the beef was squashed early makes a lot of sense. Also since they played together on stage lol.
A kid from my weights class in high school that I used to hang out with tried to explain to me Brand New lyrics while I played Shenume all while the first ELO album played in the background. That memory is seared into my skull.
Man love the content. I found my old iPod the other day and charged it up and when tbs came up on shuffle I almost lost my mind because I literally haven’t thought about that stuff since 2009 or so. I still could remember every line. And brand new was my shiiit in high school, but after the allegations, I can’t fully enjoy their stuff anymore. Sometimes I just can separate the art from the artist.
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the feud at least somewhat continued just judging by the brand new song "tommy gun". Idk it just seems that way through the lyrics of most of the song
I saw brandnew at the i believe 15year anniversary of devil and god. they played the entire album which happens to be my favorite album. to give this story a little emo drama. when i was in 9th grade around 2006 or 07 i had a emo girl friend that had been into brandnew a few years before me. she had seen them live a year or two before we started dating. she always smugly told me i would never see them live because at that point they hadn't really been touring around where i live. in 2016 10years later it was so gratifying to run into her at the show. i didn't say a word to her but we definitely were aware of each other being there. it felt like such a triumphant moment. emo music is made for drama with girls and i love it. lol
Def wasn’t 15th anniversary since TDAGARIM came out in on ‘06 and brand new disbanded in 2018-ish. Likely touring around the 10 year anniversary mark. Loved watching them live and everytime they’d switch up You Won’t Know and the ending of it.
Wow you really did the research on this one. Those old brand new lyrics are so much more cringe than I remember. So mean spirited and toxic, but it was such a classic album.
His tongue was the only muscle on his body that worked harder than his heart…. He said it himself… that and wouldn’t stop if I could, oh it hurts to be this good. Fire ass lines.
DUDE. this is some freaky stuff. Okay so I just randomly started listening to Taking Back Sunday a few days ago, really enjoying the 2006 album (after hearing just a few of their songs on the radio when they first came out long ago) and I end up down this rabbit hole tonight about the breakup. I look into it and find out about Brand New and 70 times 7. Now just last night I was watching this show I randomly decided get into watching called Rev. I'm American and this is just some little known British series from 2010 about a priest and in the second episode he literally says "How many times am I to forgive my neighbor? 70 times 7 said the Lord". Now you tell me, what are the chances of that?! I've never heard that saying before in my life and now I'm surrounded by it. Haha. Just one of those weird things that happens sometimes. I take it as a sign I'm where I'm supposed to be..or the universe is having a joke. So did the girl that was in the center of this historical love triangle, this Helen of Troy, even notice she was part of it? The story would be even more pathetic if that's the case. haha
its actually kind of refreshing that the band has fun with the fans obsession with the beef rather than feeling exasperated or like its a cloud over their heads.
That girl deserves a lifetime achievement award for emo music.
hahahahhahahaha
That ussy was bomb to have a singer and a bassist soon to be singer make maaad music about her. My whole childhood was about a girl who i dont know
@@watermelonheadiegoSame.
She doesn't remember. They live life on easy and she didn't buy either album. She didn't care that she inspired my two favorite emo albums. Love it.
@@lifeisgoodskt that's the best part of it. she doesn't know. she doesn' care. they got a whole lot of money because of it, tho. I hope they both pay her bills for at least two generations
I went to summer school in 2004. Inside the high school were a bunch of art projects from the past year. There were two human-shaped cut-outs next to each other. One had the lyrics to "There's No I in Team" written in red, the other had the lyrics to "Seventy Times 7" in blue. Memories!
Been listening to Brand New since 2003. That band means so much to me. I met my first real friend during my first day of high school. I had a Brand New patch on my backpack and he was like "they're a good band," and the rest was history. He ended up being my best friend throughout my high school and college career. He pretty helped shape my life, into the man I am today. Sadly, he took his life several years ago.
OG 03 fan here too, my dude. Brand New owns a piece of my heart; their music has been with me through so much.
I'm so sorry about your best friend.
Sorry for your loss man. With each album release (no matter how painstakingly long) it’s been oddly accurate, lyrically and thematically, to that period of my life. I’m positive that almost every fan who followed along all those years felt that similar connection. I know it allowed me to manage my mental state to some extent while going through difficult times. I can only assume that your friend, while battling his demons, likely used brand new in a similar way. I’d bet his relationship with the band often brought him out of some dark situations until the last hump was too much.
Not sure it was a “life saver” at any point for myself, but I refuse to downplay that many out there did get themselves some extra time at the very least, just by turning on a powerful track. sometimes turning the volume up and letting out some lyrically inspirational screams with Jesse really evens a person out 🤷♂️
I was too until everything came out. Sorry for your loss.
Whatever poisons in this bottle
I'm sorry about your friend 😔 it's nice that you two had that deep musical connection that keeps him alive in your mind any time you hear a BN song. Bittersweet for sure, but still a pretty powerful way to feel connected to him every now and again 🤷♀️
My chest tattoo says tell all your friends with a gun pointed at my head. Hood dudes think it’s some gang shit but my white homies know what’s up.
I fucking cackled
Lmao
Lmao thats fkn hilarious
Well... given that they're your friends, you obviously told them, so obviously they know what's up.
That's fucking dope yo my chest tattoo says ballsdeep in pokemon front and a pokeball on both sides idiots think it's about guy butt hole
I had that “Mics are for singing not swinging” hoodie and thought I was the coolest emo kid when I was 18 lol
You were
The most overblown "fued" of all time, neither Jesse nor John cared about what happened by the time the bands were touring those debut albums, they just played up a fake beef for publicity and to get the kids talking about both bands and it worked at the time.
Especially cause Jesse was apart of cute without the e and honestly it wouldn’t be the same without him. Same with you’re so last summer
I have waited for this day to come since you started this channel, lol. As a huge TBS fan, my heart is full, and the fact that you dropped this the day before my bday is icing on the cake
ayy its my birthday tomorrow too cool
@@Bannanawaffles2 happy bday twin
Happy b-day buddy!
Happy birthday
Obviously to each their own but Idk how anyome can prefer TBS over Brand New. Dont get me wrong TBS had some jams but Brand New actually made masterpieces
Hope this means you’ll eventually cover the Bert McCracken v Gerard Way feud, and maybe even the “Family Breakfast” incident.
I second this 🙌
Wait, what happened? I thought they were friends, or friendly?
@@t5dagreat it’s a nothing sandwich tbh. Gerard stopped using drugs, Bert lost a partying buddy(and went on to lose band members for that behaviour as well) and was REALLY sore about it, invading one of mcr’s set with a megaphone to spoil the performance. Some say the song “pretty handsome awkward” is inspired by Gerard.
They made up after Bert laid off the heavier stuff, though I don’t think there was ever any negative feelings on mcr’s behalf.
@@Flatcetera The situation was just really sad, honestly.
I saw them kiss onstage in Toronto.
It sounds like smart marketing to me, to boost record sales for each band. Friends trying to help each other blow up with their debut albums by creating a feud. “Hey did you hear what they wrote about brand new in the new tbs album?” “No, did you hear what they said about tbs in the brand new album?” Boom, kids buy both albums, they tour together, then capitalize on merch featuring small digs at each other. It’s genius.
OK that was pretty accurate… inaccuracies are Jenna was Jesse‘s girlfriend by then. They had been together for almost a year at least by then. Everyone in Long Island knew about it because it happened at a party Everyone was at. Jesse made a big deal and broke his hand punching a wall. Later he wrote and recounted his side of the story in his live journal later that night… the Stryder have songs about her and bayside too, I know cause I wrote the words to the bayside song lol. She was a damn heart breaker
Which bayside song?
So glad to help on this one! Was wild digging back into it all
I watch Watchtower Database all the time, it's so cool you're a fan of these bands
@ssjlayne I am nothing if not a mid 00s emo! Lmao.
Same! lol
Who was the chick they beefed over
@@ponyboycurtisx I can't imagine why that would possibly matter or why anyone would expect her identity to be publicized
This is WAY more innocent than I expected. I went to high school near Charlotte, so TBS was a big deal. The rumor around our school was Adam was dating Jesse’s sister and cheated on her, that’s what caused all the drama.
I’ve heard that too. I thought that was it till I watched this actually. I’m about an hour from charlotte. Yeah it was a big deal back then for sure.
Adam actually dated Michelle Nolan (now Michelle DaRosa) and cheated on her, which is why John left TBS and started Straylight Run
@@blueberrymuffin5418 Ah! Crossed stories! Makes perfect sense in the south.
it was someone elses sister and im pretty sure thats what Okay I Believe You But My Tommygun Don't by Brand New is about
Went to the taking Back Sunday brand new and Rufio show in Fresno California in 2002. Taking Back Sunday played then brand new played half of their set before the power went out. We were stuck outside for an hour waiting finally Rufio played in a random backyard about 6 blocks away from the venue the police came about 30 min into it so fun! I was like 15. It was one of the best shows of my life.
I had always assumed Jesse had been dating the girl. Holy crap that truly is the lowest stakes beef possible while simultaneously being completely understandable having been a dumb emotionally immature Long Island teenage boy myself and gotten into fights with close friends over that exact scenario. I think the only connection to the Lacey misconduct is that entire strain of emo betraying a pretty unhealthy entitled attitude towards women. With regards to the later Lazzara statement, it could be behind the scenes knowledge but it was also kinda common knowledge within the scene that Jesse Lacey was quite a misanthropic unpleasant person.
And with those songwriting credits, jeese
Yes, absolutely. Of the few times I've seen Brand New, once at the House of Blues, he (Jesse) was....drunk or on acid, lol something. He was totally phoning it in, not even singing at a lot of parts. It was a concert worth paying for yes, but he for sure wasn't giving it his all...and many people noticed.
Have you heard of rap music
idk i’ve always read that it was his girlfriend
This all went down just a bit before my time, I didn’t get into either band until 2004 so it was all ingrained into the emo mythology already. I remember old forum discussions pouring over the details for like a hundred pages, and even back then I thought there was no way the drama was really that juicy, haha. Great vid Cozy!
Do you remember what forum you remember reading this on?
Not specifically. I did go on Absolutepunk a lot, probably a bunch of others I can’t really recall by name. More than likely I’m also remembering some discussions from IRC chats or something and blending those into my memories. 20 years and a lot of drugs will do that to ya.
I thought the bigger beef was between TBS and Straylight Run back in the day. Half the band abruptly quit in the middle of tour, started a new band, leaked some demo songs alluding to Adam. And “Where You Want to Be” was the response album from TBS. So much emo drama 😂
This is what's delish.
Adam actually dated Michelle Nolan (now Michelle DaRosa) and cheated on her, which is why John left TBS and started Straylight Run
Thanks for covering this. Also, can’t forget about the infamous 2007 Bamboozle. Story goes that Brand New were supposed to play later on Sunday but then TBS got added in last minute and refused to play before Brand New. So Brand New played first on the main stage. Played Degausser twice (😂) then closed with Seventy Times 7.
i’d kill to hear Degausser twice in one night
So cool of you to go ahead and make this. Enjoyed it and it's good to finally kinda know the truth about it
yes finally!!! i've been waiting for you to make a video on this!!
brand new was one of my absolute favorite bands growing up- they showed so much maturity and some really great songwriting and production on the devil and god, daisy and science fiction. it was really sad to learn about jesse lacey’s (more than just allegations) misconduct. he even confirmed it himself.
@TheSleepyJoehe didn’t do shit. He was a rock star and probably slept with a bunch of women. Big whoop
@TheSleepyJoe no
@TheSleepyJoecan you not read "he even confirmed it himself" or do you just want a free pass to hate women
@@melancholist”he even confirmed it himself” isn’t entirely true.
He never confirmed he messed with under age girls. The initial girl that accused him and said she was under age at the time was actually proven to have been lying. She has graduated high school a few years prior to meeting Lacey. So they did have a relationship but NOT while she was under age. She also didn’t “come out about it” until after her friend who was a guitar tech was fired by Jesse Lacey and after he tweeted “with all these allegations going around does anyone have anything on Jesse Lacey?” Also he supposed email proof was proven to be a mass email to fans in regards to the release of an album. So super sus.
Lacey simply just said he use to have a drinking problem and treated women badly. (Which he had been open about for many many years prior to the allegations)
The Brand New shows I attended they asked for food and supplies for women’s shelters.
So I believe he was a jerk. And changed. And is innocent of the under age thing. But was open about being guilty of treating women and other people badly. He talks about it a lot at shows.
@TheSleepyJoenah. Not for the under age thing.
In fact the girl that accused him of it was proven to be lying about how old she was. She wasn’t under age when they had a fling. She also didn’t say anything until after her friend who was a guitar tech got fired by Jesse Lacey and tweeted of anyone had anything on Lacy that could get him cancelled. So super sus.
Jesse has also been super open for many years before the allegations that he was a bad person in his youth and treated people , especially women, very poorly.
But the brand new shows I attended they asked you to bring food and supplies for women’s shelters. So I believe he was a jerk but changed. He gave credit to his brothers in brand new and his wife for fighting for him and their relationship even after he did her wrong. The love and Grace they showed him changed him.
Would you ever cover Brand New on this channel? I KNOW it's a bit of a sore subject for some, and rightfully so, but there's no denying their impact on the music world.
Can you explain why?! I must have missed something….
@@Ama40401 TCR actually goes into it into this video, basically some chick's accused him of sexually exploiting his minor fans back in the day. Think what you want of jesse, but brand new and Vincent and the other guys still deserve respect in the emo genre. They were the emo genre
Cozy has said before that he doesn’t like Brand New and that he thinks they’re kinda pretentious.
So I highly doubt he will.
@@aironnocturnal5365 Very disengenuous take as they're one of the most talented bands in the emo genre. Incredibly influential on the genre's "revival" and pretty much all the bands in the emo genre suck them off pretty hard.
@@failingnovelist6443 Brand New are my favourite band, I'm saying what Cozy has said about them before.. chill out dude
Instant follow. In fact, I think I love you..... No, HI! Reggie here from Aphile *Early 200O's band from B-more). Listen, I just want to say thank you for bringing relevance back to 2 of my 10 favorite bands of all time. You da Man!!!
Wild that this tiny feud was so overblown. This is so tame compared to what Ronnie Radke and Craig Mabbitt were saying.
I love your videos, they really bring me back.
I will never forget how I discovered Taking Back Sunday back in 2003
When I was 12 my mom took me to go see one of my favorite bands at the time
Blink 182 and I will never forget the feeling when this pretty unknown band opened the show for Blink
It was Taking Back Sunday, it completely blew me away and I went and got the first two albums as soon as I could.
I've been a fan ever since and holy crap the mosh pit they had was awesome.
Not long after my mom and I started seeing them all over the radio and MTV.
What a great show, No Doubt was supposed to play after them but cancelled so Cypress Hill took the spot for them Much thanks for the videos man keep it up!
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Honestly ever since I found your channel 2 years ago I new this day would come.
I was a hardcore TBS fan back then, and now that I’m finally going to a concert soon I felt like I had to get my facts straight on this hahahah thank you for this video! Subscribed!
Brand New is amazing Tbs are cool too but Deja and TDAG are so timeless.
So are Tell All Your Friends and Where You Want To Be
@@sschofield115 True, but after those albums, TBS kinda went pop, whereas Brand New kept making fully epic albums.
and Daisy. and Science Fiction.
I'm with you. BN music as a whole is so much better than TBS. I was really into TBS too but wouldn't say I love any album all thw way through. I moreso had a couple of songs I loved on albums with a handful I liked and another handful I always skipped.
@@sschofield115 they got boring and coke ruined adam
The feud did get a second wind after Nolan left TBS and started Straylight Run. it was kind of a triple feud at that time with songs like play crack the sky and slow dance adding some more drama into it, was worth mentioning imo
26:42 shout out to Sal Villanueva, he recorded my band and played in Murphy’s Law. Awesome dude, TBS liked him so much they named a song after him “the ballad of Sal Villanueva”. Nothing to do with the video, just wanted to throw that out there.
“The ballad of Sal Villaneuva” goes so hard. One of my favorites
Awesome Beach Boys shirt! Any chance of a video discussing Brian Wilson's influence on Emo?
Oh man, my favorite feud. Back in the day I gossiped about this crap like I was a part of it. 😄
I am a HUGE taking back Sunday fan but seventy times seven was also one of my most favorite songs ever. I always wondered who those lyrics were about
Thank you for keeping this story going. It was crazy to see this unfold in real time, back then.
YOU CRUSHED IT AGAIN, MY DUDE! This is subject is something I brought up in my earlier comments when I first found you two years ago. You make such great content. It’s so cool you do such niche stuff but a little sad you’re not to 50K subs yet. You deserve at minimum one-hundo and greater, dude. Love your material and you really do your research and KNOW YOUR SHIT!
Didn't expect Rufio to be featured in this video but they have one of the coolest debuts in pop punk ever, not to mention their song "She Cries" was miscredited as being a Simple Plan song in P2P apps back in day, I wonder if anyone else found about them that way too
I met someone who went to hs with the actor who played rufio. Apparently people would chant that at times and he was always a good sport.
Dude rufios first album was so fucking good. Gonna go listen again lol
I do think the lines, "best friends means.. best friends means.." is resolved. Of course at the end of the song but also in that moment as well because it gives you a sense that they both have an unspoken understanding of what that means. I think its good writing 😂
Good job man! I’m from LI, grew up in the scene and liked both band’s, never took sides after learning they had “beef”. I respect them both more after learning it was strategically planned, playing right into the hands of fans lol
Apparently, the "wearing your black eye like a badge of honor" is based on John giving Jesse a black eye and Jesse posting a photo online and trying to get people to feel sorry for him.
I'm not sure how true all of that is. But there is, in fact, a picture of Jesse with a black eye that he posted during this beef, so who knows?
I will say, though, we got some great and classic songs out of this beef and while I love both bands they both hold a special place in my heart, Brand New became one of my all time favorite bands of any genre.
Something that I think actually makes this "feud" the most interesting is that these songs end up not falling into the the exact boring sexist themes that a lot of other emo does at this time ("The Curse of Curves" is the worst example). It's not GREAT to women of course (they're treated more like plot points than people) but it means that the songs end up being focuses on these intimate male friendships. It's never that they miss the girl--it's that they miss each other.
Science Fiction peaked at #1 on the Top 100 Billboard charts.
As it should
The hip hop thing goes deeper when you think about it. All the references to guns and bullets across both of their first albums.
And FLAVOR FLAAAAAAV
omg was wishing for this when i got a bit into tbs earlier this year. also wait watchtower database x cozy?? i wouldve never expected this goddamn
About freaking time someone made this!!!!
I do wonder if Adam’s 2015 comments were just a way to drum up hype for both the new albums coming out from TBS and Brand New in the near future.
Let’s be honest, most people had lost interest in TBS by 2015 and so just seems like an attempt to make a quick headline.
This "feud" was interesting. BUT to me the most interesting was that TBS used a Brand New song to inspire some of the lyrics on "There's No 'I' In Team"; can't believe I am just now learning this
the real ones have been praying for this one 🙏
yessss I’ve waited so long thank you !!!!!
This channel was made for this specific video
This was huge for me as a Brand New fan and a Taking Back Sunday fan lol good times man
YESSS I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR U TO DO A VID ON THIS
Is it just me or does it seem pretty damn likely that virtually all of these 2000’s emo/screamo/post hardcore guys had at least a few sexual encounters with minors at some point in their career?
These dudes were basically all Justin Bieber in the eyes of the 13-16 year old emo and scene girls who made up a substantial portion of their fan bases and guys in successful touring bands aren’t exactly known for their chastity, fidelity and their willingness to say no to sex. Surely some guys drew a hard line at messing with underage girls but when you’ve got an army of young teenage girls who worship the ground you walk on, it seems like a lot of these dudes just weren’t willing to resist for long if they resisted at all. I bet that sort of thing was rampant back in that 2002-2010 era.
You glossed over the Kitchen being a local hangout spot in Long Island where the two bands hung out and the supposed "stolen lines" that John and Jesse wrote there.
What town was that in?
on the back of the brand new “because mics are for singing not swinging” merch it said “you know who you are” i saw some photos of the hoodie version recently :p
I had the hoodie in 05, but i accidently ordered a freakin youth small instead of a regular small, ugh. Needless to say, I didn't wear it much as i could hardly zip it up! I still have the jellyfish tote from that order though!
Crazy catching up on all these emo bands in 2020's and seeing how many of them have child fucking accusations
i really needed this context. thank you cozy 🎉
The real question is.. what band was actually better... thats the hard one. In my opinion Brand New was the better band with more quality albums overall. I feel like Tell All Your Friends was pretty much a perfect album, but the TBS albums go downhill after that (more pop, less raw). Brand New on the other hand made each album different and equal if not better than their predecessor. Both bands are top top tier, but I'd take Brand New over TBS in quality.
that’s an easy question. Brand New is leagues better. You could argue against TBS’ debut album being better than Brand New’s debut album, but after that there really is no competition at all. Brand New destroys TBS
Brand New wrote at least 2 songs that are better than anything TBS ever wrote but TBS has more songs that I like. That's how it stands for me.
@@SaintKines Correction: Brand New wrote 30 songs better than TBS.... but TBS is more fun. I love both, TBS has 24-25 great songs, Brand New has 0 bad songs... Both live in my heart, one is better at songwriting, the other better at staying a band.
@@curtiswilson3569 I'll have to go through and see if I missed any Brand New albums. The Quiet Things is the best "EMO" band song of all time in my opinion. This is possible because I don't rate Glassjaw as EMO like many others do.
This is like the second or third video I've seen from you and you're pretty funny dude, I usually don't like funny dudes but you're cool. I'm in no way you avoiding your channel at all but it's only come up and I've only seen what has come up and that's about three times three videos, so I'mma keep an eye out for you to look up your channel some more and I'll probably be subscribed by the time you read this depending on things. I love the rock content, big into metal stuff nowadays and got my roots with bands like brand new so this was pretty fresh and also a kick back to the old days so, thanks dog. good stuff
I just saw Taking Back Sunday at sad summer and I had to tell my friend this story … And now I’m here. Thank you for this ❤
i felt the same way when Adam made that comment in 2015, when that stuff came out in 2017 i instantly thought of those comments. i think he might have known something but didnt want to be the guy to call it out.
Great video, I used to be a hardcore Brand New and TBS fan, you taught me a lot of stuff i didnt know lol
Whaaaat!? 2 of my favorite bands and I didn't know this. Thanks for the upload.
OMG THANK YOU! been waiting on this! Brand new is still my favorite band ever
For two Long Island bands this is the tamest beef that could go on from a garbage dump of a place
Brand New will always be my life and my soul. Jesse influenced me to write, I’m a serious poet and write music for a living…
I get it, people do shit and in the past, I did myself would lie about my age just to hang out with guys and have fun
But…. Appreciate the video. Had both bands albums, cuz my band buddies listened you know how it is. One listens we all listen.
Brand New just did it for me and saved my life when my parents divorced, when my parents moved away, when my parents died…
Brand New was there for me.. gosh hate that they aren’t together
I would play Taking Back Sunday, on my acoustic at parties to get guys to look at me. It worked haha but yes, this is hometown local band drama shit haha
Know all about it…
But thank you 🙏 came across your channel cuz I was missing Brand New and was just surfing and happy I found you
Thanks ❤
🎉
Thank you The Lorax, very cool.
CONCEPT: a working playlist of allllll the beef songs that have been featured on this channel (preferably in order i.e. "seventy times 7" followed by "there's no 'i' in team", "vengeance" followed by "king of amarillo", etc.), it'd be bop after bop after bop lol
I remember when Taking Back Sunday’s first album dropped. It blew me away. I still have that CD. I had no idea about this beef. I never even listened to Brand New. I don’t know why, they just didn’t cross my radar back then.
I can’t remember if I picked up swinging my microphone from AFI or Taking Back Sunday. Maybe a combination of the two. I know I aped Davey Havoc’s mic style a lot. But I learned a valuable lesson one night as I swung my mic around, the mic disconnected from the cord and rocketed straight into the pickup of my Les Paul, denting the pickup cover. I learned that if you’re going to swing your mic like a goon, wrap the connection with duct tape so it’ll stay attached. It never disconnected on me again.
I seen them when the feud was just beginning amazing times …. Small venues, bands in the pit when they weren’t playing watching others… taking back Sunday, brand new, Rufio, the movielife, the starting line, sugarcult and many
More still my go to and listen to til this day.
Tytyty been waiting for this
dudeee this is the first video i've watched by you and since i've gone back and watched your other stuff, and you are like, fucking perfect
just everything is great, like, i can find someone talking about boys like girls for once
There's still a lot of other beef to discuss. There's the Adam and Jesse beef ("Okay, I Believe You, But My Tommy Gun Don't"). While Jesse and John were able to make up, it feels like (my speculation) Adam and Jesse have always hated each other, or at least never been in a room together long enough to resolve it. Then the rest of the internal TBS drama (John and Shaun leaving and making Straylight Run, Fred leaving, Matts getting kicked out for TAYF lineup, Eddie's departure).
Thank you for uploading this. I really miss Brand New ;-;
I wish I could've seen them live again one last time.
I saw Brand New at the 9:30 Club in 2004 and John Nolan was up in the Box seats going back and forth laughing with Jesse while he was on stage, it was cool to see.
I'm 34 and Brand New was my favorite band back in 2008-2010 and I used to be Team Jesse so hard during all the discussions of these songs and it's freaking hilarious to find out the truth was so much nothing. I'm laughing at my own naïveté back then 😂
I actually hosted a show with John and Shawn’s band Straylight Run in 2008 (two years before they reunited with TBS). I was having a beer with John, Shawn, and their drummer Will, and I actually asked him about this beef.
He told me that he thought the sensationalized versions everyone said was really funny, and it was pretty much nothing. Basically they just rolled with it for the lolz. Pretty much what you’ve said in this video, John told me directly when I asked. Situation with the girl, then they made up and toured together.
I don't care that much about this particular fued/beef/misunderstanding or whatever you want to call it, *BUT* I LOVE THIS CHANNEL & will listen to you talk about Ke$ha, Rihanna or whatever you want to talk about! (Please talk about Saosin sometime soon!)
Dude say what you want about Brand New, I’m personally a lifelong fan despite everything - but maaannnn Taking Back Sunday sucks live.
For real. People say they suck now and blame it on age, but I saw TBS in 2007 and 2008 and wasn't impressed either time.
TBS sucks live, but I quit listening to BN cold turkey when the shit came out about Jesse.
I just stopped by to bring up the time Howard Jones of Killswitch Engage nailed Adam D. in the eyebrow with his microphone while swinging it around. It was pretty epic.
I remember that from the Set This World Ablaze DVD. Literally the first song of the set. Joel's dad was there and had an extra bandaid on him and it kept falling off. Adam paid a fan $5 to lick the wound and he has hardcore kid aids to this day.
YESSSS. So good. Thanks for the reminder. Gonna Google a clip, lol.
...it all started with the rise and fall of jonny craig... and now i'm addicted to the cozy representative...
Thanks for the video. How about the feud between Adam and John Nolan?!
Good video only thing that should be added is John nolan of TBS wrote 2 songs on Your Favorite Weapon because the beef was so over.
"I think Jesse Lacey is just a dick. He just sucks. He's not a good person." is probably my favorite thing to come out of all of this and I quote it everytime the beef or brand new come up because it is always so funny to me how random that was but as it turned out, apparently true lol
This is exactly how you would joke with a reporter about your buddy, though 😂
yea but he was also a genius
It's 5am on a tuesday and i'm watching an elder millennial explain emo lore from 20 years ago. We really got it made now days
So thankful for this video🤙🏼❤️
How did I not know about this? 😅 Thank you!! This is bringing me back.
Omg! I just clicked, and you have no idea how excited I am!!! I "discovered" TBS in my tiny town of Mayberry, NC when I was 13yo, when I downloaded their demo (Also some of my favorite versions of their songs are the demo versions but don't tell them lol), and my whole friend Group credits me for being introduced to TBS and brand new, Lol. I saw them when I went to see coheed and Cambria like 3 years ago, and TVS was so disappointing and depressing to me lol. Nothing like they used to be. But I'm definitely interested to hear your take on these guys! 👀👀👀😘
On the lyrics booklets in both bands albums they would thank their “brothers in” Brand New / Taking Back Sunday. So hearing that the beef was squashed early makes a lot of sense. Also since they played together on stage lol.
A kid from my weights class in high school that I used to hang out with tried to explain to me Brand New lyrics while I played Shenume all while the first ELO album played in the background. That memory is seared into my skull.
Man love the content. I found my old iPod the other day and charged it up and when tbs came up on shuffle I almost lost my mind because I literally haven’t thought about that stuff since 2009 or so. I still could remember every line.
And brand new was my shiiit in high school, but after the allegations, I can’t fully enjoy their stuff anymore. Sometimes I just can separate the art from the artist.
It's worth mentioning that "Shower Scene" alludes to the drama as well (supposedly where the incident happened). Lots of jabs about "best friends".
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the feud at least somewhat continued just judging by the brand new song "tommy gun". Idk it just seems that way through the lyrics of most of the song
I saw brandnew at the i believe 15year anniversary of devil and god. they played the entire album which happens to be my favorite album. to give this story a little emo drama. when i was in 9th grade around 2006 or 07 i had a emo girl friend that had been into brandnew a few years before me. she had seen them live a year or two before we started dating. she always smugly told me i would never see them live because at that point they hadn't really been touring around where i live. in 2016 10years later it was so gratifying to run into her at the show. i didn't say a word to her but we definitely were aware of each other being there. it felt like such a triumphant moment. emo music is made for drama with girls and i love it. lol
Def wasn’t 15th anniversary since TDAGARIM came out in on ‘06 and brand new disbanded in 2018-ish. Likely touring around the 10 year anniversary mark. Loved watching them live and everytime they’d switch up You Won’t Know and the ending of it.
Wow you really did the research on this one. Those old brand new lyrics are so much more cringe than I remember. So mean spirited and toxic, but it was such a classic album.
Yeah, if you read Lacey’s lyrics throughout pretty much all of Brand New’s albums, he’s kind of a dickhead.
some lyrics on that one are like a watered down version of glassjaw's first record lol love both albums though
His tongue was the only muscle on his body that worked harder than his heart…. He said it himself… that and wouldn’t stop if I could, oh it hurts to be this good. Fire ass lines.
My 32 year old jaw just DROPPED.
This upload saved my night, ty
I am SO obsessed with how tiny and petty it was. It created AMAZING records that lyrics were exceptional away messages on aim!
DUDE. this is some freaky stuff. Okay so I just randomly started listening to Taking Back Sunday a few days ago, really enjoying the 2006 album (after hearing just a few of their songs on the radio when they first came out long ago) and I end up down this rabbit hole tonight about the breakup. I look into it and find out about Brand New and 70 times 7. Now just last night I was watching this show I randomly decided get into watching called Rev. I'm American and this is just some little known British series from 2010 about a priest and in the second episode he literally says "How many times am I to forgive my neighbor? 70 times 7 said the Lord". Now you tell me, what are the chances of that?! I've never heard that saying before in my life and now I'm surrounded by it.
Haha. Just one of those weird things that happens sometimes. I take it as a sign I'm where I'm supposed to be..or the universe is having a joke. So did the girl that was in the center of this historical love triangle, this Helen of Troy, even notice she was part of it? The story would be even more pathetic if that's the case. haha
With regards to the TBS S/T EP, Jesse Lacey is also on backing vocals on the track Go On - odd that that isn’t credited
As someone from Long Island it’s so funny that this all started there and is Long Island beef
Yeahhhh thanks bro for this one ♥️♥️💪🏻💪🏻😊
its actually kind of refreshing that the band has fun with the fans obsession with the beef rather than feeling exasperated or like its a cloud over their heads.