"We're in unprecedented territory" - Tariq Panja on the charges against Manchester City
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The New York Times' Tariq Panja shares his thoughts on the Premier League charges against Manchester City for alleged breaches of financial rules.
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Sky needs to bring in a lawyer to explain the next steps and the contents of the charges rather than having journalists address legal matters
These charges are based in sports rules but could go legal at some point. Hard to call at this point.
@@bighands69 it's fraud.
Yep it’s definitely fraud. That’s why they refused to cooperate. They need their titles stripping and relegating.
These rules are within the game of football. Not the law. Man City pay taxes to the government. This is nothing to do with taxes, or government, or anything legal for that matter. The court of law is not involved.
You still wouldn't understand 😂
"The real question would be, is Paul Pogba behind all of this mess?" - Graeme Souness
Hahaha 😆 😂 if casemiro wasn't such a steady Eddie this wouldn't be happening to city right now
Harry Kane on his move to Manchester City , i have always dreamed of playing for Manchester City but in League One.
What ?
First trophy he could win tbh 😁
Let’s be real what ever team you support u have to respect harry kane. I follow chelsea and hate spurs but my god what a striker. Credit where credit is due
😂😂😂😂😂
Harry kane will most probably move to arsenal as he has helped not once but twice he probably waiting for arteta's phone call 😂😂😂😂
City fans lining up outside the Newcastle club store as we speak
All 16 of them?
Because this joke hasn't been repeated 100 times.
I'm one of them
BREAKING NEWS🚨
Major protests staged by 6 Man City fans outside the FA headquarters have caused a tailback of 4 cars in central London
Support city through thick n thin
If found guilty MCFC should be relegated to the Scottish League for 10 years and fined £750 million and that money should be equally divided between FIFA officials because of their crusade against corruption - got to go nurse is looking for me 🛒
lmfao
Wait.. What? 😂
No
I love the hatred against city. Back in 2005 I always hated utd my friends hated utd. My brother said people always hate on the best team. So thank you for hating
Sheesh, how hurt are you from City winning titles are you a Liverpool or United fan?
Shows how much City left a mark on rival fans LOL
Do you think the Sky presenter should get a bigger watch?
Not cooperating either mean you're guilty af or you don't trust who is investigating you, why, and how your being investigated.
It means they’re guilty asf. End of story
it only means one thing, don't be naïve.
If they don't trust EPL.
They should get out.
You do realize football is a regulated sport with *multiple* governing bodies, right? City is obligated to comply like everyone else in the working world.
@@ellemarr7234But they didn't. Red flag right there
Since this is never happened before in the Premier league I think that if they only give city a financial penalty then it set the precedent that other teams could get away with some thing like this. The only way to punish one of the most richest clubs in the world would be point deduction or relegation
Got to be relegated
Championship gonna be exciting to watch
City should go to -10 points
agreed - but they'll buy their way out of this though - they always do
this also needs to be historical, strip their titles
There is no way the manager of a FC would not be aware of these things
Yeah Pep must’ve had some idea. Let’s hope he sticks to his word and leaves City, but I doubt that happens.
Relegation home to man city
Your comment doesn't make sense!
Watching Liverpool make a superhuman effort & accumulate 90 + points on three occasions & finish second to a team that we all thought were breaching ffp was extremely hard to take & now it really does look like they got there through unfair means.
United finished second to City twice in the period actually in the charges. Liverpool once.
@@pamelajessup7931Liverpool finished 2nd by 1 point twice
There is nothing unfair about it. The FFP is just to protect a cartel of big clubs.
Technically true, although it would be silly to ignore the period that followed, because the club would, allegedly, have benefited and had momentum from a decade of breaches in rebuilding their team (the 2018-2022 seasons)
During the period not under question, City won the title twice by 1-2 pts. 2020 being the only exception when LFC won
@@pamelajessup7931 but the entire foundation of this city team is built on law breaks. they should be demoted to league 2
If this is true, just imagine how many teams have been relegated by 6 point after losing to city, how many times city knocked teams out of cup competitions, how many league titles teams like Liverpool and man united lost out on due to city, then think about all the revenue that these teams lost because of this. If they are found guilty, they should be ejected down to the very bottom tier of English football and the City player can leave the club due to corruption breaching their contacts. With all the reports back when UEFA tried to ben them. The fact they've grown like crazy despite not even been able to fill a stadium, we all know there's something fishy going on.
Lmao bro this isn't fantasyland, ur little dream u have there won't come true
That would be fantastic... But I doubt it would happen
"If this is true". Hahaha
It's pretty much a foregone conclusion, my friend.
Will they be prosecuted, is another story. Money talks.
The owners need to be held accountable. We cannot keep being whores to foreign big oil money. Its an insane model and this isn't the middle east.
@@roshawnseeny2531 Not a very sustainable defence. In fairness, no one wants to see their team cheat; it cheapens their emotional investment. It tarnishes the bond between dedicated, fervid fans and their team, so deflection is the first line of rhetoric. But, once reality sets in, fans shouldn’t feel personally attacked. They’ve been cheated, too. Rather, they will go through bona fide grief on their way to anger and disappointment in the con men/businessmen behind their team. Also in fairness, the team’s staff and players bear no blame in this. They didn’t cheat. Their fans didn’t cheat. City fans must be heartsick over this, so sympathy goes to them.
I doubt they would go that far. Maybe an automatic point’s deduction this year for like 40 points and that way relegate them with out artificially sending them down. Just subtract points and apply the normal rules.
If you set precedent of just tossing teams it could be abused or mishandled. Remember the Premier League is actually made up of all the clubs. They won’t want to do something that might hurt themselves in the future.
It’s safer to stick to precedent of point deductions and apply the rules. I’m pretty sure that’s what Serie A did to Juventus
"ERAS COME TO AN END"
Ten Hag is a genius
Ten hag ment his hairline with that quote
That's the Dutch way😊
you never know, behind the scenes among footballs top individuals, its was prob known this was coming for a while.
@@Fmfcg 13 wins are your think your great 11 against mid table lower league oppostions haha deluded
If proven, then City need to be punished for each season they broke the rules so that should mean points deductions and stripping of titles.
Points deduction is not enough. They need every title they won stripped. Otherwise the EPL will be seen as a laughing stock.
Why support a team if you know there is cheating going on.
And relegation.
strip them of titles but giving them to anybody else is dumb
@@rjrunthat take it your team never came second to the cheats then.
No premier league club wants free league hand outs they should be banned from Europe for nmr of years
Give them the rangers treatment
I remember m8. they got shafted. For a lot less. Sod the PL if they dont deal with it and Chelsea. and any other top team including mine. fok umm all.
@@scottturner2902 Rangers got away light. The SPL and SFA considered the three division demotion to be sufficient but, realistically, they didn't investigate any deeper than that. Had they looked into the contracts, they had players admitting they'd been paid off the books and received letters telling them such. If the SFA/SPL investigated that further, they would have to consider that a letter is a legally-binding document and could be considered by law to be a second contract, which would've rendered these players ineligible. They had these players with these side letters going back years, which would've mean voiding years worth of results because they had at least one of these players in the team going back several seasons.
Realistically, that's what should happen to Man City. If they have players or managers getting paid cash off the books, they're ineligible and the appropriate sanctions should be applied.
Ye let them have Gerrard 😂
@@DamianBrown Winning the league undefeated?
Hope City will get real punishment this time. There's kinda obvious hints all this time that they had fraudulent sponsorship income and also used outside payments for players and managers.
You should watch what you say. "Fraudulent" has a particular meaning in law and you may have committed libel.
@@nighttrain1236🤣 🤣 you rodney
@@nighttrain1236 they literally set up a fake betting company from a POBOX and paid themselves £400m… I think he’s safe from libel.
@@nighttrain1236 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TheRagdollrejects That's not fraud in the legal sense.
Imagine the real news that's being hidden by this story.
Presenter is a City fan he's absolutely seething 😆🤣🤣🤣
I honestly thought you were taking the mick but I looked it up. Despite being born and raised in Portsmouth and having played high-level cricket and rugby union, Mike Wedderburn is a lifelong Manchester City fan.
Haha would be funny if they got liquidated, their 'fans' would go back to supporting Man United and Chelsea
How can Deloitte sign off on the accounts of Man City without questioning the legitimacy of the transactions of the club.
In my corporate governance class my professor said that the ratio of auditing to non-auditing services was 1:29. Accountants make so much more more money selling other services to companies that there's a good incentive to say the company is not sketchy af.
Lawyers signing off on financial fraud ...never heard of that before 😂😂
Deloitte signed off on the accounts of the fai (irish fa). Subsequently 44 different bank accounts got found and a financial mess. I wouldn't trust Deloitte to do anything. Their own accounts should be checked. Gangsters...
Ever heard of Arthur Andersen? Enron?
If a man won a gold medal at the Olympics & it later turns out that man cheated he would have to give back the gold medal.
Man City should have to give back the titles if they cheated.
It is the fear and the right thing to do.
If they only get a fine, they will keep doing it, and other clubs will start doing it too.
Man city made more than man utd, barca and real madrid last season, yet cant fill their stadiums, you never see their merchandise other than inside their stadium, got off on the uefa ban on a technicality which is now removed and cas can no longer intervene in any ffp charges, in fact no other sport gourverning body can overturn punishments so most likely man city can bribe their way put of this now.
Even pep himself complains about city fans. Man City can't fill the stadium.
He's complaining about the shitty noise despite the stadium being filled
@@yourdailyjoe3155cause the fans wont sing because they arent real supporters
Well now they'll have Vauxhall Conference level of attendance anyway.
LOL @ the noobs who dont know about City's attendance when they were in the 3rd tier
Small club what do you expect
80% of City fans are currently getting their old County shirts down from the attic.
Their lawyers are going to carry this case till the end of the year if not until next year so people are.going to have to wait a very long time before any punishment if any is given.
It's not a legal case
The good part of all this hate will make man city team more strong 🤣 it will fuel pep more.
Manchester Citeh are proud to sign Ivan Toney, who will feel right at home with both the club and player having over 100 breaches of premier league rules
Toney just sat at home laughing, " man city 100 breaches those are rookie numbers lol
I guess City fans are going to have to to go back too there respective clubs again 😂😂😂
Then Grealish will go back to villa for free 🤣 World class deal by villa, conned city lol
And you back to your crack den
Yes 90% are plastic fans that live over 4000 miles away
The first rule of The Condescending Club is kind of complex, and I don't think you people on here lapping up City would understand even if I explained it to you...
Pure propagand avs Man City ... Fan bases? Fan bases don't pay for your club finaces LMFAO. Premier league ahs access to Man City finacial sheets in past 5 years.
Must be a points deduction not a fine.
point deduction for every season (2012-2023)
Strip all their titles, fine them £250,000,000 and relegate them down into the national leagues. Job done.
They can't beat Man City so they'll destroy them. Even if y'all destroy Man City, Man United will still suck😂😂😂
6×2+2
Furgie alone>man city and their history
@@abdhallah8628furgie? 😂fergie.
@@caseyimiller lol
@@caseyimiller whatever makes you sleep
Deduct 3 points for each offense 🤷🏽♀️
Thats at least 300 points. That's a well deserved exile from the top flight 😂😂😂
Manchester city should be relegated and the titles should be stripped. All the premier league fans around the world been cheated by this shamefull club. The best league in the world is been dominate by a club that cheat.
If you won via cheating, then yes the titles won via cheating should be taken away, because you literally did not win.
Well, you're right. But let's see how things continue, really. Greetings from Lima, Peru.
You are right einstein
💯
💯 they won’t remove any titles or cups 15pt deducted start of next season
@@theultimate1614 lol
Just don’t strip them of their carabao cups. Spurs are not meant to win trophies
If they are stripped of the EPL titles spurs will get one of those.
Their allowed 1 League Cup every 30 years so they don't self combust
hahhaha why do you hate spurs 🤣
I like the idea of spurs only trophy being for a game they lost.
@@mikem8211 they have the Audi cup. They should be happy enough with that
If City effectively win this case the premier league and Alison Britton will lose any tiny bit of credibility they had, and possibly many millions of pounds if City sue them.
If they are found guilty bet they push for the super league.
The FA don't really want to open up Pandora's Box when it comes to club finances.
Nothing significant will happen unless the FA actually want to be held to a higher standard and apply their rules evenly across all clubs.
Gotta do a Rangers if guilty
Nah, should be worse. Just flat out liquidate them. They knew the rules and intentionally broke them. They’ll have been responsible for false league wins and relegating teams that may have otherwise stayed up. The money they should owe out in compensation alone is probably incalculable.
Sheikh mansor will settle this problem behibd the scenes. He is powerful and the league will listen to him.
Then the league will have no real power and will be the laughing stock of all leagues. They need to take points from Man City and force them into a relegation battle or even remove them from the league
He has absolutely zero power. He has a lot of lawyers but guess what? This isn’t a court case. It’s an internal review by the prem. they have all the power and can divy out whatever punishments they see fit. If they want they can send them down to the conference north league.
@@EchosBeat I guess we'll see. I am willing to bet they will survive and stay in the premier league.
The irony when Pep attacked Chelsea for their spending wow karma is a....
Did he not say it's not my business? Twice. Just last week?
@@mikewhoelse With little Jabs also don't be Deluded.
@@UnknownAssailant246 the jabs were aimed at the 9 teams who wrote to the league trying to get city kicked out
they are NOT guilty of anything yet, he says. next question, what should their punishment be... let the courts do their job. as a man united supporter even i have to say this is idiotic, sensation-seeking coverage.
Their money, let them do what they want, jealousy that's all.
Clubs have to generate their own money and cannot use outside money for many reasons.
@@bighands69 People when they don't know that football is also a business
Lets all hope Chelsea and their American owners are next.
I think it's pretty obvious they are hiding something because they aren't co-operating BUT the appropriate punishment is hard to fairly decide. A points deduction is temporary and not strong enough for this many viloations but stripping them of all titles is too extreme. Maybe relegation next season is the middleground.
The appropriate punishment is easy.
City should be stripped of all titles, expulsed from the English league and then have to reapply. Fines are not enough for the level of charges that are being brought forward. There is also a risk that they have issues with the HMRC.
There is no middle ground if the EPL does not do what is necessary the brand will be damaged and the Government will appoint oversight to the whole industry. The government is champing at the bit to get involved and are just waiting for the right opportunity. The eyes of the world are on the EPL. This news has already gone global.
Revenge for Qatar world cup, hahaha
Down with the Bournemouth, you're going down with the Bournemouth 🤣
That watch is ludicrous
Imagine if Pep leaves...
IT CAN HAPPEN.
And joins chelsea 😂😂😂😂
It will happen I can bet my life on in it pep will definitely not stay if they get relegated
@@MJ-420. If he is a man of what he said, he should go now.
They lied to Pep.
@@afckajjansi That's a dream.
Here's my opinion on it, City have pumped millions into football. The FA and Uefa have benefited massively from the clubs owners.
They've built over 6000 new homes in the surrounding area, they've invested large amounts of money into transfers, wages, jobs and even paid huge fines that didn't take a wrinkle out of them.
Football is incredibly corrupt, just look at the World Cup. Money talks and it always will. There is no doubt they need to be seen to punish City for this and rightly so but it won't be as severe as people on here believe.
I know there are comparisons to Juventus and they were sanctioned and docked points but Juventus don't put anywhere near the same money into this sport and the powers at the top don't gain anywhere near as much from them as they do City.
The last thing the FA and Uefa want, is for that gravy train to stop. They may get a transfer ban and a fine but I don't see anything else.
Is strange how City don't do diligent business and transparent
Your grammar is wack
Deduct 20 points from Manchester United too for being their neighbor and failing to advice them, signed by an arsenal fan
Lack luster comment
This must be the the dumbest comment on RUclips
Deduct 20 points from Arsenal because of Arteta's lack of coming forward pertaining to these incidents
Well said, man utd have cheated their way to titles too
@@DefenderrsFC how so?
Nothing will happen just like the Uefa case
Man city lawyers will tear up this ridiculous charges apart and send it back to the corrupt FA
Can just see a fine being handed out.
If that. City will walk away from this unharmed
No chance look what happen to QPR, Leeds, Derby, Portsmouth, Swindon. Relegation beckons
@@jasonahdjfhsdfg yeah there going to make an example out of them 😂 I think there getting relegated, and there titles are gone 😂
basically Guardiola says if you get caught im out!!
He knew exactly what was going on, he's cheat himself, probably why he was hired.
Well maybe he will resign.
He also said that he will get hair transplant done if city get caught
While ffp allows chelsea spend 500m to tranfers in 2 tranfers 1 year.. fking hell ffp is laughable
That 500 million could be explained for one season but not several seasons. City are in a different league. Unless you know more about what Chelsea have done over the last several seasons.
Anyone that thinks city will get anything more than a slap on the wrist, is a clown.
🙄
Then you do not understand what is at play. The government has warned the EPL that they would face investigations unless they started to perform oversight. A lot of people are getting nervous about the sources of money that are floating about.
The EPL has had their hand played in this one and they have no other choices. Other clubs like Utd are as well getting nervous as they are a publicly listed company and probably do not want anything like that in the league.
The EPL has not gone public about this for the fun of it.
🤡
@@bighands69 Utd have their books publicly open! due to their sale, they HAVE TO ....don't need to be nervous about anything, Utd are a big club by their own merit and success, spanned over 40 years, absolutely nothing like filthy small club City, City have nowhere near their fanbase globally... makes no sense whatsoever to bring Utd in to this.... they are currently transparent, they have to be....
@@bighands69 lmfao Utd are fine they haven’t won the league in years and still have one of the biggest fan bases on the plant 😂🤦♂️
The guys a journalist not a lawyer. Acting like he knows the ins and outs of law cause he watch an episode of making a murderer.
It is sports rules and then maybe the law. So there is no way you think you can swing the argument with that.
I don’t feel right to take the trophy’s if we were to get them as a utd fan. However they should definitely be relegated and clubs effect by revenue lost by city being above them should get compensation!
should be relegated to 3rd division. 100+ breaches over 9 years is MASSIVE
@@dennislfc5069 most of these ‘100+’ are technicalities about contacting youth players
@@fqq4137 how about the 9 years of repeat cheating?
Well United were 13 off in 20/21 and 19 points off in 17/18. Missing out by 1 point twice is a different story
@@fqq4137 but nah i get your point 100+ are capped
i see A Rangers Thing happening here.....
why? rangers was an open & shut case for not paying their players. there’s no way city get demoted
@@fqq4137 lets wait and see Premier league has to come down on the hard.
Imagine Being Fined for Breaking Money spending laws. What will that do? Just save enough money to pay the fine!! TITLES MUST BE STRIPPED.
Everybody knew they were cooking the books since 2008
How did City generate the highest revenue in the 20/21 season?...show us the receipts.
Bigger than Real Madrid, United, Bayern & everyone else dontchaknow 😂😂😂
Given the timing of this announcement, if City were to escape with a minor slap on the wrist, the PL is inviting the government to appoint an independent oversight body.
I hate Man City and don't like Pep. However this is extremely unfair to Pep...
DEDUCT POINTS!!
It was a matter of time, this is the difference between PSG n city in regards to how its run, PSG has a fan based and is marketed properly despite being ultimate bottlers, majority of their revenue isn't from Qatar... Man city has about 12 fans
What do PSG have to do with a Premier League investigation?
@@Supersleuth42 People normally compare the two in everything outside of on field football but the reality is they're different, PSG is a marketing machine, city is just... A club
Show me a game where man city have 12 fans ? Seriously
@@stevencoe852 Obviously that was exaggerated but for a club that wins the EPL n consider a modern day big club, city has a small fan base and despite them winning EPL they don't seem to gain much fans
@@Confession_Of_A_Dangerous_Mind fun fact! Spurs has a substantially bigger UK fanbase than man City! But on social media 90% of city online fanbase is made up of plastics that live over 4000 miles away! Many are shipjumpers and will move to other clubs when success dries up!
The best comparison is Juventus. They were stripped of their titles and relegated.
A new case this year gave them another -15p deduction. Case still not closed.
If they are guilty of 50% of the allegations then the consequences will be similar, if not the same. City will be toast.
Juve were found guilty of bribing match officials lol. It's completely different. Don't let facts get in the way though.
That was match fixing which broke the law. City aren't accused of breaking any laws.
@@nighttrain1236 Juventus wasnt accused of match fixing this year, that was in 2005.
This season they got roasted for faking the total revenue and expenditure of their transfers. Cesena and Spezia also got sanctioned for it, Cesena with a fine that was high and -3 points and Spezia couldnt sign any player this season.
@@nighttrain1236 yeah but for man city is more severe since they did this for a decade hence we would expect a more harsh punishment that they deserved.
If they are found guilty they should be stripped of all titles from the alleged periods...lf they are not guilty all the City fans that already jumped ship can jump right back on board 🤣⛳
To late there all utd fans for now.
I'm Surprised that City are Surprised that's all...but then again if your an oil rich Arab...money fixes everything...and no doubt WILL AGAIN ..
Glasgow Rangers suffered with crooks in their ranks and they were dropped down the leagues and also lost their business name.
This could well be the triggering point of Man United - Arsenal great rivalry in the EPL once again.
Deluded.
@@LoCoAde87 That’s what your dad said to you this morning.?
Can’t WAIT Tl Man 👨🏻 City win 🏆 Champions League this season and against all the negative crap 💩 by this bias British media and who knows may be this fuel em 2 win the Premier too…This could actually turn out to be the BIGGEST Mistake your Perfect Premier the 1 full of Fantastic FAIR Officials 🙄 n Best VAR ever that it all turn out 2 b Gr8 4 Man C @ the End of this BS 👍👍
Rubbish. CTID! C'mon CITY!
Love the statement. Love from Tempe Arizona USA
Known city fan asks the "hard" questions 🙄
Where there any Match Fixing Charges? The Players played well and Won the Premier League. Man City Won their Games fairly. The Job was done on the Field. It's about playing Good Football.
They need to investigate how Teves left Manchester United club to go to Manchester City just as a next club knowing they the noisy neighbors lol😂
The state of all of you 14 year old legal and financial experts🤣🤣🤣 The PL must remember to produce all of your evidence. Could prove pivotal. 😂😂😂
This guy has either literally no idea what he's on about or he's deliberately misrepresenting what happened at CAS. Another point is that precious few sports journalists have sufficient understanding of law and legal processes.
Brighton fan here. Deduct. Fine. Relegate. Take titles away. Simple… they knocked us out the semi final of the FA cup and they cheated…
Bring back the original top 4 - United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal. Man City has no place in this historic category. Let's face it, they don't have any rivals, literally know one cares if they win the Prem. No one is gonna miss them.
Mike is a lifelong city fan ...love the anger in his face 😂😂😂
Cheating are intolerateable. they should be punished to the max
somebody will say, why dont eithad airline sponsor other english club with less money. Yes, they can invest with much less money to clubs in Italy, span or Eygpt. But it will not create same influence as investing man city. Because man city will help audience recognize the brand from UAE. In general man city is a good platform to advertise UAE products
Someone needs to investigate whoever was compiling that Deloitte money league list clearly they were bought
100
You can have 100.000 pour fan and obviously don't make as much money as having 10.000 rich fan Man City makes much more money because we're rich not only our owner is rich
I will tell you the reason why Man City are finally charged now. They have been blackmailed by the FA officials for many years and finally they have given up and refused to pay the blackmail money demanded by the FA officials. So now they are being charged.
Should have been docked 50 points, for trying to destroy the premier League anyway. As should all those clubs who tried to set up the European super League. If the ESL ever gets set up, be a true football fan and stop supporting those in that competition. Find another local team to watch
Man city should be history. Demote them. Remove their owners. Lets finally do away with this club we have all known since abu dhabi took over was fraudulent.
This team is embarrassing to the league and to english football.
Get rid of them
Leeds are looking for a new manager. ''Cause City are a massive club''. Strip all their Titles and relegate them.
Could we see city playing Sutton and the likes next year….?
Manchester City buying all the best players and spending millions each year was a stupid move. They should be do this gradually.
give the title to the runners up ,like what happened to juventus
I feel sorry for the fans. The money posse has raped your club. I wonder how many other clubs are sweating? 🤔 Anyone with eyes to see knew this was going to happen.
They'll just end up getting a fine which won't touch a fraction of their finances...strip them of last seasons title and hand it to Liverpool
Clubs like Leeds, Everton, Aston Villa are bigger than Man City, more established and more history and bigger fan bases
They should be stripped off the titles and made an example out of... Also this type of corruption does not happen without local authorities.
I mean we’ve spent less than Chelsea over the last 20 years so how’s that one work
At the end of the day it's about football and some clubs are richer than other's and it isn't fair. but when has business been fair, They have the lawyer's to put this to bed, it will be a fiasco a debacle of accusations based on superstitions and assumptions