The PGA Tour has 23 sponsors doing 40 billion worth of business in Saudi Arabia and nobody will say a word about the PGA Tour. They also do business in China.
Exactly. Its fine for big business to do business. And fine for the US to have Saudi as a main key ally... Because of oil. Hypocrisy. But a little pro golfee. NOOOOO its immoral. What crap
LIV isn’t a competing business looking to make money, it’s not financially viable, they don’t care if they lose billions, it’s purpose is sportswashing
Typical. Make a complaint and add no value. Where should they do better? Shotgun start. Make the PGA tournament a 4 man scramble like a Springfield member/guest day. Add some value or SHUT UP. Complaints are like whining children.
"I am not going to sit here and say, 'These guys are anything but out for themselves'. That's it." And? Why are you doing your TV show, Rich? Are you doing it for free? Of course not. You're doing it because you get paid...because you're out for yourself. You're doing it for the same reason that everyone else does what they do. They fact that they're able to command large sums of money doesn't change that.
And he doesn’t have the balls to go after golf courses hosting LIV tournaments, their sponsors making everything happen, the networks that signed broadcasting deals. Yes go after the individual players for taking a increase in pay.
The PGA is shooting themselves in the foot. I still have not heard a good reason why the PGA cannot coexist with LIV. The PGA is the one that is kicking out the players, not the other way around.
@@shep1582 bigger purses, more clear and defined rules that most players don’t even understand, let players participate in a certain number of other events each year, do something about the fed ex cup that no one cares about, standardize the cut line for all pga events, new events for top players only. Look at the 4 other major sports, they at least try to change, we’ll not MLB but the other 3 do.
PGA can barely broadcast an event worth watching. I love golf with a passion but who wants to sit through the shitty broadcasts where they leave you looking at a tree blowing in the wind for over a minute
"out for themselves" as opposed to the PGA tour which charges $7500 to young aspiring assistant professionals trying out for their tour each year. The PGA tour is a monopoly and they have acted like it for the past 50 years.
@@HEAT4YOAZZ So when somebody hits your mother you point out that the neighbor hits his wife as well. Way to avoid the topic!!!! That's what children do try to change the topic.
please send Brandel Chamblee and this guy to cover sports in Siberia, they just dont get it at all, it's called free enterprise, I just hope the caddies sue the PGA and get bac pay for the last 70 years they have been fending for themselves... no insurance, only get paid 5% when their player plays sat/sundays otherwise 0%, the caddies are the ones that really benefit from going to LIV, Austin Johnson just got $15 million per year for being a CADDIE, more than 99% of PRO golfers anywhere...let that settle in for a minute MR. Eisen
You have voiced all the reasons why LIV is not a threat to PGA. PGA banning players is threat to PGA. As for growing, I really do think more kids will get interested in game. Competition of PGA tour is not threatened except when the best players are banned from it.
The PGA is mostly American focused. LIV is worldwide. The PGA became ridiculously corporate. The players have intrests not always in-line with the PGA and this is the result. LIV will get every player that doesn't align with the prehistoric PGA.
@@dondunn7 could say that about any other professional athlete. Does curry try less hard because he has a pre determined contract? How about the second and third string players that get payed for just sitting in the bench? PGA tour doesn’t pay well unless your top 100 of better. lol at the 60 guy in the corn ferry tour! He is paying to play
100% agree. Golf is a global sport yet the majority of the "big" golf events are in the States. PGA have had it all their own way for far too long IMO!
Speaking of Tennis we may be heading to something similar to the pre-Open era, where the majors are reserved for amateurs and second rate golfers so we can identify which ones are good enough to go to LIV Then we have the 48 player 3 round tournaments and Good Good style barnstorming matches for the pros good enough to graduate from the PGA Tour The consumers decide and if pro golf heads in that direction it will because that's where the money is Pro Tennis was like this for decades
In a true global tour the 4 majors would probably be something like: US Open British Open Australian Open Japan Open Obviously we're a long ways from that No reason to have exactly 4 majors either. In horse racing they have 3 (and that's only for the 3 year olds) and in the Senior PGA and LPGA they have 5
@@DanielSong39 In terms of prestige the PGA Championship matches the Australian Open as the 4th. The US Open is third in both Sports. But both the Master's and British Open have equal claim to be Wimbledon
This IMO is why the DP Tour is allowing their players to play both. Imagine a DP event in Spain and banning Sergio Garcia from playing? It would be stupid.
The PGA made most of them who they are. They got lessons from PGA pros as kids, joined low level PGA tournaments when they went pro, and worked their way to the top through the PGA.
The PGA is basically destroying themselves with the bans. If a few more top 20 players go to the LIV tour the PGA has to drop the ban. Oh and Rich... every golfer is out for themselves.
@@jim6690 LIV is paying $$$ way out of line to what the golfers generate in revenue. The PGA Tour has to run a business, they don't have bottomless pockets to throw $$$$ at them. But hey, if you think it's cool Norman wants to throw around daddy's $$$ to try and "destroy' a golf tour which has given over $2 billion to charity over the past 40 some years go right ahead, however the communities and charities they serve probably don't share your enthusiam.
@@carlfrye1566 how can you say they don’t generate that money? There’s a huge loss in all professional sports from revenue generated to actually paying the players. You think the lakers are breaking even by paying Lebron 50 million a season ?
Rich--- If the PGA accounted for the LIV tour and people could play both, would it really be destroying golf? No, and since that's the case, isn't it more accurate that the PGA is destroying golf by making this line in the sand???
No. Because the PGA is about golf and the LIV is about damage control and image repair. But maybe watch the video and address what he says about the non-competitive nature of the LIV tournaments. As he says they're basically exhibitions. How's that good for the game?
@@MDK2_Radio I feel your opinion is valid. However, I will ask you this..Why can't they play both? I'd love to hear your answer.. No offense but there's only one reason. The PGA is greedy, if not more greedy than the Players signing to LIV..You gotta call a spade a spade sir..
This is the market baby. I love it, the more competition the better. Only the strong will survive, cash in while you can boys. Hey Rich I know you don't want to hear about growing the game but most of us fans don't want to hear the PGA say some bs like how can you do this to the 911 victims. WTF These same companies and countries still and will continue to work with the Saudis. The hypocrisy runs deep.
Hell, the United States sells weapons to the Saudis. How can that not be the biggest slap to the 9/11 victims? How it became golfers duty to hold the Saudis responsible I'll never know.
@@ForsakenWar 3M, AT&T, Haliburton, Boeing, GE, Proctor & Gamble, etc. I assume you have Google right? Oh, and don't forget the United States Government, as in Saudi Arabia is the biggest buyer of our military weapons.
@@locobenno9435 Thanks for the additions. My quick search had a list of about 70, but I figured this guy could do a little research for himself. I also read approximately 40,000 Americans are working and living in Saudi Arabia. A good friend of mines brother had a job offer there and went for an interview and 2 week visit to see if he wanted to move his family. Money would have been great, but they wanted a 5 year contract, so he turned it down.
Its what happens when someone upsets the apple cart, again if it isn't a ruse to keep the dialogue going about sports, and not about more important issues that are afoot.
"These guys are out for themselves" one of the most idiotic statements ever. Who else are they supposed to be looking out for? The PGA Tour that wants to control the players and where they play and even want a cut of the money they make elsewhere in non competitive golf like The Match? They independent contractors and have chosen to play in events and take more money in a better deal for them and their family. What is wrong with that?
@@ForsakenWar Sure, but at what point does the PGA's "moral high ground" become a problem, and they have to back down. The PGA is the only party with anything to lose from this, and how they handle it will determine if they are the good guys or the bad guys as far as the narrative is concerned.
@@jeffhunt5964 They were NEVER the good guys. They willingly played the Masters at a racist course that just recently allowed black members. The PGA has NO moral grounds. They're a monopoly that is after money and power. Elitist golf snobs that are getting schooled by bigger snobs in a more elitist country.
Just wait until the LIV Tour gets a TV deal! That’s when you’ll see the big names defect. I can’t wait for it. 5-10 years from now you’ll have a merger or a real competition between the rival tours. The problem for me is the hypocrites saying talking about the dirty Saudi money when ¾ of the PGA’s biggest sponsors do business with and/or are funded by them. They are griping about it because the PGA is scared and Monahan doesn’t know what to do and by the time he does, it may be too late.
@@dondunn7 Because the TV money will further provide more to a money pot that will become an ungodly sum. Maybe they offer Zalatoris 300 million in 2 years.
@@MDK2_Radio Nobody cares what you watch. With the names that will be there...they'll get a TV deal and the PGA will lose viewership. Elitist racist association, complaining about another elitist, racist group would be hilarious if it was't so sad.
GOOD FOR BROOKS 👏🏼 If you’re still allowed to play in the majors, moving to the LIV tour is an absolute no brainer. Stop with the complaining. These dudes are pro athletes. It’s about money. Legacy is something created by envious media.
Legacy is something all sports fans care about with respect to the sports they love. Tom Brady wouldn't be considered the greatest QB of all time, even if he technically were, if he spent his career in the CFL. His legacy of Super Bowl appearances and wins give him that and football fans will talk about it for generations to come. That's what we remember, not their salaries.
@@MDK2_Radio lol 99% of athletes could care less about the “fans.” Grown men who wish they could be them. the top 1% of athletes care about the legacy. Rest of em are doing it for the money.
Rich! They are out for themselves. As are you. As am I. They have zero responsibility to be out for anyone but their family. I don’t go to work every day for the greater good of anything. And I say that being a 2 combat tour infantryman. Don’t tell me it’s for country or the game, as neither give a crap about these players.
How is this any different than all the announcers and sportscasters playing musical chairs this offseason for higher paychecks? Do we tell Joe Buck and Al Michaels that they are "basically destroying broadcasting" ?
Exactly. So many self-righteous people accusing these players of "doing it for the money". Well...yeah. Why does anyone do what they do? I work in my profession because I get paid. Rich does his show because he gets paid. There's nothing wrong with that. It's a good and honorable thing.
@@MDK2_Radio Really? Was this true of the PGA when they permitted their players to compete in Saudi tournaments right up until Covid hit? You think the corporations that own the networks don't have ties to SA, China, etc? That's just incredibly naive.
@@MDK2_Radio Bullcrap.....Almost every fortune 500 company trips over themselves to do business in Saudi Araba and the networks in turn trip over themselves to do business with those same companies for advertising revenue.
The “LIV golfers are only out there for themselves” was a ridiculous statement… Obviously, at the end of the day it’s only you and your family … So these pros should turn down hundreds of millions for them and there family in the name of “being loyal to the PGA tour” that’s being taking advantage of them Financially for years
I like to watch the majors, but don't usually watch the PGA tour. The LIV vs PGA drama has been entertaining to me while waiting for football season to start. The fact that these athletes are being given an opportunity to receive generational wealth because they are good at golf is pretty exciting from my outsider perspective. It has been comical watching PGA players being endorsed for millions of dollars by billion dollar corporations drenched in the blood of Chinese factory workers call out LIV players for taking "blood money" though.
Dont forget the nfl has owners who wont hire black coaches, colluded to keep collin kaepernick from playing in the nfl after he kneeled. MLB has been colluding against players to keep payrolls small and bud selig was found guilty of doing so back in the 80s. The nba has owners who got caught being racist other nba teams had cases of sexual assault and discrimination against women. The funniest issue about this is complaining about blood money to defend a tour that plays at a course that had no women or black members until not that long ago. But the nba, nfl, mlb are all perfect corporations we should be thankful for.
The LIV tour is trash. No one wants to watch Allstar golf. We want real competition. These players didn't want to put in the work. Tiger records are safe.
you got rich white people at the pga who don’t want competition and they made it clear as day when they retaliated against the others for leaving. it’s so obvious what this is
I wasn't aware, before this LIV thing came up, that the PGA tour was a closed system like the UFC with exclusivity contracts. That automatically made me bristle. There are 45 PGA events (not counting specials) in 2022. There are 8 in LIV 2022. Suspending players for playing 8 exhibition tournaments? Man. PGA deserves what they get with their Dana White bullshit.
Good for these guys. I hate that this is happening but the PGA needs to wake up. But the competition is real and there is nothing wrong with them being out for themselves.
Except for the fact that they've sold their souls to play for a tour backed by a despotic regime that's using them to try to clean up it's reputation for a history of continual human right's atrocities.
The entire golf media industry are shills for the PGA. They have no choice. If they try to cover the LIV, the PGA will cut them off. None of them are willing to risk it.
Rich, you're not wrong too often. I think you are this time. I think it's a highly competitive tour. Win a few of those tournaments and your family is set for generations. The only legacy that matters. Eventually the last place guy will consistently be a world top 75 and the Adam Ogletrees of the world will have to go back to the PGA, no offense to Adam (if that is his name). Greg Norman will have his revenge, assuming that's his motivation.
Rich does not understand these golfers in their 20's do NOT care about the history of the PGA. They're being presented life changing amounts of money and Rich says they should turn it down because they need to respect the history of golf. LAUGHABLE!
So I guess Phil was right the entire time. Cause now it looks like the pga tour is going to essential copy their format and try to get players to stay. lmao
Hey, looks like we are growing the game of golf, no matter what you say. BTW, it is easy to compete with the $s from LIV, but that means less $s for the PGA executives.
Hey Dick Eisen, Imagine if ESPN were the only place you were allowed to work. The PGA Tour has been a monopoly. With no competition they became lazy and greedy. They had the money to increase purses. They had the ability to not financially break the backs of young players trying to get their cards. They had the ability to allow tour players to play outside events... but they chose not to do any of those things. And this is the result. Theses players are not "destroying golf." They are creating a future that is different from the past... that's all. If LIV offered you 3 yr $150 million contract to be the voice and face of LIV Golf, we would have to come visit you in the hospital because you broke your neck falling off your high horse of hypocrisy.
The PGA started in 1929 In 1968 the pga tour was a break away started by Arnie and Jack to improve money for the players. Why is this any different. Beside the Pga just announced they are doing the same type events next yr with 50 man fields no cut
Lol funny how easy people forget that our country had to evolve. If Saudi is choosing to evolve and is doing it through sports they wouldn't be the first to use this as an avenue to do so. Time will tell
It's finally an open market for the players. The PGA has taken andantage for years. Welcome to the party. If you want your top player to stick around open up those wallets.
Wonder if you can really blame any of the players? PGA must of failed in areas that provoked the players from leaving . We have other sports organizations loose out after being prominent like NIT to NAACP in tournament okay. The ABA too the NBA. Hopefully big names like Mickelson will one day return, I only watched golf to see him for most part as he is a very appealing player ! Well I guess time will tell.
I don't believe this is going to last, because the Saudis aren't doing this in the interest of the sport. Once they decide that the novelty has worn off or it's no longer serving the purpose of repairing their international image, it's over. That's the thing nobody seems to understand. Unlike other alternative sports leagues, this isn't about the sport itself.
The British Open and the Masters both said they would welcome LIV players. I imagine next year the US Open will too. So, it sounds like the majors won't change.
Taking advantage how? By paying out disproportionately for a sports league, providing pension, and furthering the game of golf for the less fortunate? Yeah, what a terrible organization. Bs
Exactly. This is Norman and Mickelson's entire point. They don't do enough for the elite players. If they could have had 8 tournaments and $20 mil, then why haven't they done it already.
Rich, your way off. These guys will make the PGA pay more, which was Michelson's original complaint, revenue sharing. You cannot blame individuals for chasing money. BTW, PGA went woke, so screw em" anyway.
Destroying the game of golf or destroying the PGA Tour. This shake-up has been imminent with how bad the PGA has treated its play compared to other major sports leagues. Players are not employed by the PGA they are independent contractors and as such move to where the money is.
Are you saying NFL players are employed by the NFL??? They are employed by NFL teams not by the league. The key is that golf is not a team sports, and that it is an individual sports. Name an individual sports where the organizing body employs players who compete individually and pays their wages. I wouldn't blame players who defected to LIV for their greed, but I can't stand them saying that they made their move to grow the game. They quit the PGA tour to grow their paycheck. Nothing more nothing less.
@@panayiotisladas161 Obviously, team owners do and they pay players because they compete as a team. Again, you're missing the point when you compared golf to other major professional sports and you said tour players are not employed by the PGA tour.
10 Million barrels/day at $110/barrel = $1.1 Billion/day of oil revenues for Saudi Arabia to play with. They’ve got a LOT of discretionary income for ⛳️ among other things…
And people wonder why rents are skyrocketing. Saudis, Chinese, and other international oligarchs are buying up ever hard asset in the world they can to secure that wealth against inflation and save for their future. That's who is driving up the price of homes, cars, stocks, art, etc. I should also include American oligarchs in that group. They habe the government bought and paid for, and the government prints money and hands it to them, so they just accumulate more and more wealth and power.
This is such a "stay together for the kids" narrative... Traditions and prestige doesn't pay the bills Mr. Eisen. And players not stressed to the point of breaking their equipment because they miss a cut and now they don't get enough money is a good thing.
Nah. It's a good thing for golf to not have one capitalist corporation owning the rights to all the players. Now that is a fucked up thing. LIV has more $$$ than thr PGA does and it's scaring them. I say- GOOD!
At a certain point the whole “playing against the best players” won’t be relevant because the best players will be one the live tour…these guys aren’t destroying golf…the PGA Tour is destroying golf they can easily both coexist… The team rules you don’t know about is something most golfers can relate to in high school or college and being part of a team Love how golfers get criticized but all other athletes get the whole get what you can while you can…it’s a joke
@@DanielSong39 Keep flappin those gums. The LIV tour is going to pay REAL money to golfers to participate. Nearly ALL of the best will be playing for the LIV eventually. Deal with it.
I'm a huge golf fan and I don't feel I'm missing out by seeing a new tournament format. can't say there's no pressure at the Ryder cup and presidents cup
No pressure because there's no cut? european sports fans have said the same about north american sports leagues for decades, because there is no consequence foor being bad (no relegation). not so waterproof points you're making there, Rich.
excellent point and if i may add when americans wanted to create that soccer league in europe Rich was all for it. Not so fun when it happens in your yard is it? This is still the best show and he is still allowed to be wrong ( like the shift in baseball )
That's not a valid comparison because one's a team sport and the other's and individual sport. You can only compare the experience between individual golfers and individual athletes who play team sports, and yeah, if you don't do well in a team sport, you're cut and don't get the big payday. That said, if you think a pro sports team suffers no consequence for being bad, check out their ticket and merch sales when they are. Unless they have some other gimmick to keep the revenue stream flowing then they're suffering when they're bad.
@@MDK2_Radio in nfl i think they share their revenues from tickets, there was a scandal with snyder withholding money if i recall. What about tanking? all teams are doing it.
@@MDK2_Radio BALONEY. The Cowboys can suck all they want and Jerry Jones STILL has the most valuable franchise in ALL of sports. Stop being such a sod. The PLAYERS make the Game...they DESERVE to get paid. Anything else is pure BS. The NFL is a MONOPOLY / CARTEL and they ALL share TV rights and HUGE paydays.
I hear every thing your saying but the PGA Tour banning the players is perhaps more the issue. If the tour had a different stance, the players could play in both and May end up ditching the Liv and playing every tour event when things settle down. Closing the door is ridiculous in week one of Liv
The PGA Tour is struggling. Finding and identifying opportunities disappeared with the all exempt tour in 1983. Tiger is largely gone, and Rory isn't a suitable replacement. They think they own the players, and without the players there isn't a tour. Does anyone think for one second that a healthy Tiger doesn't dominate over a Scottie Scheffler? Be real, it has always been about money. The fact that the Tour's sponsors are getting Saudi money yet the players are playing for Blood Money by joining the LIV golf is pure posturing by the Tour. OH-
If the LIV is being created by golfers for the game of golf, nothing more, you have a point. If it's all sportswashing as some allege, it's not posturing. That's key to this whole thing. Why does the LIV exist? If it's for the game of golf, it will upend the professional tour as we know it, probably for the better. But if it's not about golf, then decisions regarding its management and whether or not to keep it going will not be made with golf in mind. And that's critical because if this is serving some other purpose and they decide that purpose is no longer being served, bye bye LIV and all the golfer associated with it. Hopefully they're all going to manage their earnings well because neither the PGA nor endorsements will be an option at that point.
lol not posturing; if any of your family was murdered then butchered; then tried to cover it up; how would you feel if we all said who cares they paid me money too bad for you buddy lol; if that is posturing you got a loose screw; with normal sponsers no issue but with Saudi state $$ not right in my opinion; hope none of these greedy bastards get it when they disagree with their new owners
This isn't the same Tiger....he's in his 40s now. He isn't dominating Scheffler at this point even if 100%. Scheffler is gonna hit it 30 to 50 yards past Tiger and Tiger isn't the same player
@@MDK2_Radio STHU whiney. The US blows up countries. The PGA takes blood money from Sponsors. Don't kid yourself. The PGA was playing The Masters at a Racist Golf Club for decades without change. This isn't a girl scout troop. It's a corporate business PAID by other corporate businesses...that are owned in part by the Saudis and the Chinese...and OIL Companies that start Wars with the US Military leading the attack.
Why don't you ask the question about the PGA why there screwing the players. Why is the PGA charging the players millions just to compete with other players?
@@steventinker3958 How is it looking good? They haven't signed one golfer who is in the top 15 and none the players have even won a tournament this season.
Your comments are insane... The 8 additional tournaments announced by the PGA tour have the same format and same money... Vous êtes seulement vexés... Pga Tour will be the 2nd division ... And liv the elite tour with warranted money
@@joshramirez7 Josh, you are just taking a position. 48 players playing for millions of dollars is no exhibition. Nobody calls a WGC event an exhibition, why? 64 players? 4 Rounds? Better field? So if only 20 of the world's top 100 showed-up for one particular WGC event we'd then call it an exhibition? Nope! We'd call it a crappy event with a lousy field. And that may end up being the case with LIV, but let's stop pretending that you EVER admitted that the Ryder Cup was an exhibition until yesterday.
Are the players out for themselves??? OF COURSE! (pun intended) And also, aren't you out for yourself? We all are, and the players are making the best decision for themselves. And it's been a LONG time since people could relate to a professional golfer.
If you think PGA tour was not paying their players enough then you are well out of touch. Its the only sport where you really earn your status and money. You have to perform and beat others, no team to hide behind and no way around. Yes I am glad the Saudis have decided to just burn money and give it away and I am happy for the golfers but don't expect golf fans to say this is a good change and great for golf. The format is rubbish, cringe team names and rubbish branding and marketing. The teams are all pre determined with friends grouping together and a fake draft. No integrity even in their own formats. Yes the money is a great change but is it earned or deserved. Greg Norman literally is the most bitter man I have ever seen. All the players have lost respect and tarnished their legacy something money can't buy but I guess they are happy to exchange it for the money and live with it.
@@chaddddd1251 They are CHEAP, GREEDY BSTRDS. Don't kid yourself. Making professionals PAY to play...stupid is as stupid does. Now they're going to lose players AND Sponsors. Good for the players. Shut up. If YOU were being charged to go to work you would pipe down and take the money.
@@chaddddd1251 lol "paying enough"... sorry this is your opinion. who are you to say other people are paid enough? also, I never said anything about being good for golf. of course, this is not good for golf. also, who are you to say it is earned or not? unless you are one of them, your opinion means nothing. otherwise, i can easily make comments about your job.
Isn't any different that any other business. Its not a revenge..... Where the f do you get that. If the PGA tour shafted Greg then maybe revenge is warranted.
One less day and a shotgun start means I spent less time having to watch essentially the same thing. A few hours instead of 12 in a day. There's also some big names in LIV, I wouldn't say it's an exhibition. In regards to the money, most average everyday Joe's would leave their job for a buck or 2 more an hour. Let's not all pretend we are so righteous..
If there are no cuts and everyone gets a participation trophy, how is it not an exhibition? Would most joes do that if that job was in organized crime (a valid parallel given the Saudis’ motives and the actual difference in pay scale)?
Pay me more to do my job I'm doing for less somewhere else? Sign me up. This happens all over America, it's called the free market. Great point. If my bosses morals stopped me from making more money I wouldnt be employed and most of everyone would be homeless by now.
@@MDK2_Radio I have seen the pay scale, very easy thing to look up. I'm tired of the Saudi money argument. Do you put gas in your vehicle? Do you have anything made in China?
People who played poorly during the LIV tournament we're still paid $120k or something and I agree 120k for being cut in the PGA would be ridiculous but I also think that getting $0 for being cut is also ridiculous in today's sports world. If you think of most other sports (soccer, baseball, rugby, hockey, etc) even if you have a terrible night as a player or a team you are still being paid to play as a professional. Even in baseball's minor leagues you still get paid (although not a lot). I really think that the PGA has to rethink its compensation structure and perhaps start considering a modest base salary for the average tour player if it wants to compete with LIV. I would argue that with all the money flowing in sports through TV and sponsorship revenue that the world in which a professional sports player has to pay entrance fees to play their sport and not get paid if they don't play well no longer exists, and that the PGA has gotten away with it for so long because they haven't had real competition until now.
First off, there are no cuts in the LIV. Obviously you haven't been paying attention. Second, for the most part, the gripe is the PGA not paying their TOP players more. Not much about the little man trying to make it.
@@johnd3230 I don't think you read my comment carefully or tried to understand the point of my comment, and it's pretty clear you didn't really want to. What I am saying is that the worst golfer in the LIV tournament made around 120k, and for the PGA to start paying people 120k for being cut would be ridiculous, but so is paying people $0. I'm saying that there are problems in the ENTIRE compensation structure, not just at the top. You hear about the top players griping more because they have a bigger platform and audience to gripe to
LIV is the perfect place for Brooks. He hates golf, wants to play as little as possible and maybe still play majors (we will see what they decide next year). Best finish by any LIV player at the US Open was T24, but tell me again how the best players are jumping ship.
Maybe for normal people but if I’m an athlete already worth millions playing a game I love I think it would be cool to complete for historic pga titles and the Ryder cup. Some of them see it as just a job some love competing too
@@Cornwall1888 you can not continue playing forever. Make as much money as possible in the limited amount of time you have. Very easy decision to make!
“These guys are out there for themselves” If you got an offer to do another radio show but you got paid 3x you wouldn’t do it in a heartbeat? PGA doesn’t own golf.
Exactly...this could be a very different setup in 2/3 years time, as much money as the Saudis have I doubt every single guy is going to get paid every single event once the field starts to grow
The PGA is being disrupted and I’m all buttered popcorn about it 🍿. Just wait until LIV allow the guys to wear shorts. They’re really are going to loose it! 😂
The PGA tour are morons as they put the game behind an enormous pay wall. it was sickening to watch sky sports in the U.K. offer free coverage of the Canadian open whilst the first liv tour event took place. Sky have now realised that they have massively overpaid for coverage of a tour that is bleeding players. More power to the fans and less to the PGA.
I happy for the guys who got the bag with Liv. Sports should not be politicized. Nothing wrong with accepting it. If it’s good enough for Uncle Sam to do business with Saudi Arabia then it’s good enough for me. At the end of the day as an athlete you have to do what is best to secure a future for your family
If the PGA doesn't start adjusting its player payment format the LIV Tour will pluck all of the top young players leaving the NCAA/USGA ranks. So stop shaming these men. Media is so petty with this line. PGA needs to open up the bank accounts, change the way they pay their members and compete. Instead of having the media run air cover for them calling players taking life changing dollars "greedy". Especially while the US President was in Saudi asking for oil at a cheaper price. Hypocrisy abounds.
Im for this new tour. The PGA is some high class, haughty, bs. Golf is a great sport but the PGA is filled with this ‘you’re not rich enough to watch this sport’ narrative.
It’s ALL about taking the guaranteed money! More power to them all! PGA needs to figure out ways to survive. Tax Exempt Status?!?!?! Really? “No real stakes to it”? It’s year one…no different than ANY new league. You don’t wanna watch?…then don’t. Stop talking about it. All your doing is keeping LIV in the headlines.
There are no stakes to the LIV tour and there never will be. It's garbage golf. Rich is right. There's no pressure, no tension, no excitement. It's just about money and nothing else.
It just shows that the pga has been taking advantage of the athletes because they have a monopoly. If you get cut you don’t get paid. What sport doesn’t pay half its athletes?
This is the single most important point about golf . How is it fair that you work so hard , and then get told , sorry no money for you this week, come back next week . Yet it costs you money to travel , caddie , hotels etc .
The PGA Tour has 23 sponsors doing 40 billion worth of business in Saudi Arabia and nobody will say a word about the PGA Tour. They also do business in China.
yep... at some point... the kettle is going to expose the pot.
The PGA aren't complaining about the Saudi's human rights record, so that's not hypocrisy.
Exactly. Its fine for big business to do business. And fine for the US to have Saudi as a main key ally... Because of oil. Hypocrisy. But a little pro golfee. NOOOOO its immoral. What crap
I dont understand why the LIV golfers.dint stand up for themselves and redirect the moral outrage at Big Corp and US Govt
@@petercarpenter1827 there’s a difference between what our government does and what we as individuals in control of our own choices do.
Competition is ALWAYS good in business. Monopolies are ALWAYS bad. If the PGA wants the LIV Tour to go away... they need to be better.
LIV isn’t a competing business looking to make money, it’s not financially viable, they don’t care if they lose billions, it’s purpose is sportswashing
A dictatorship using blood money to bribe people to use sports to clean up their murderous image is good for business. What a fucking load of crap.
Typical. Make a complaint and add no value. Where should they do better? Shotgun start. Make the PGA tournament a 4 man scramble like a Springfield member/guest day. Add some value or SHUT UP. Complaints are like whining children.
@@tryingtobefairandobjective3480 how about pay some guys salaries…?
They can start by paying their players flight and hotel costs
"I am not going to sit here and say, 'These guys are anything but out for themselves'. That's it."
And? Why are you doing your TV show, Rich? Are you doing it for free? Of course not. You're doing it because you get paid...because you're out for yourself. You're doing it for the same reason that everyone else does what they do. They fact that they're able to command large sums of money doesn't change that.
And he doesn’t have the balls to go after golf courses hosting LIV tournaments, their sponsors making everything happen, the networks that signed broadcasting deals. Yes go after the individual players for taking a increase in pay.
Well Said...100% agreed... 👏👍
Hypocrites scream the loudest. PGA is in deep do do..
Don’t mistake Saudi money for regular money. They basically funded 9-11
@@nickcaputo9484 What broadcasting deals..?? RUclips??😅
People who play an individual sport out for themselves? Imagine that!!
The PGA Tour mishandled this in every possible way
What could they have done?
@@naomiandalex Maybe not banned players for starters?
@@cohokid6936 Yup agree. Seems difficult to compete with all the LIV money though...
@@naomiandalex The PGA is getting the bills paid. Not sure I necessarily think it's good for the game, but don't agree with the way they handled it.
@@naomiandalex Not been complete Arsehats about it. They should just shut up and pay their players better.
The PGA is shooting themselves in the foot. I still have not heard a good reason why the PGA cannot coexist with LIV. The PGA is the one that is kicking out the players, not the other way around.
You know nothing, go away. If you play golf, please sell your clubs and go away. ✌
@@squidlesfiddles Can't deal with an opinion? You should sell your clubs, since you probably shoot your weight.
@@squidlesfiddles Bill Murray loves the LIV tour you lib.
Should do a little more research! You can’t teach stupid!
@@flybynight1929 must be a liberal!!
When the NBA starts cutting off the money from China, then I’ll start ridiculing the golfers
China has incarcerated millions of weegers yet the NBA take their blood money just like Hollywood does
Exactly
PGA does business with Red China, also.
Virtue signaling comment.
@@MDK2_Radio not really. just calling out blatant hypocrisy.
Change or die. PGA is learning that lesson the hard way.
Change in what way???? Examples
Just like the NCAA. Things would be a lot better if both those associations embraced some changes rather than trying to deny it altogether
@@shep1582 bigger purses, more clear and defined rules that most players don’t even understand, let players participate in a certain number of other events each year, do something about the fed ex cup that no one cares about, standardize the cut line for all pga events, new events for top players only. Look at the 4 other major sports, they at least try to change, we’ll not MLB but the other 3 do.
PGA can barely broadcast an event worth watching. I love golf with a passion but who wants to sit through the shitty broadcasts where they leave you looking at a tree blowing in the wind for over a minute
@@josephsantangelo2801 Standardize the cut line? Not sure you have a clue what you're talking about?
"out for themselves" as opposed to the PGA tour which charges $7500 to young aspiring assistant professionals trying out for their tour each year. The PGA tour is a monopoly and they have acted like it for the past 50 years.
They earned that. Go work for killers if you or any player doesn't like it
@@TreyWK Dont act like Saudi Arabia isnt one of Americas largest trading partners. Oh and China, too.
@@HEAT4YOAZZ So when somebody hits your mother you point out that the neighbor hits his wife as well. Way to avoid the topic!!!! That's what children do try to change the topic.
@@TreyWK i think you’re the one avoiding the topic, you fool.
@@HEAT4YOAZZ When somebody makes a point and all you can do is point out somebody else's fault to avoid that point, you're the fool obviously. 😉
Plot twist. Rich gets offered 25 million dollars to cover the LIV tour.
I don't think he would do it, at least not for 25
He'd be lucky to get 25 hundred
ROTFL...🤣
please send Brandel Chamblee and this guy to cover sports in Siberia, they just dont get it at all, it's called free enterprise, I just hope the caddies sue the PGA and get bac pay for the last 70 years they have been fending for themselves... no insurance, only get paid 5% when their player plays sat/sundays otherwise 0%, the caddies are the ones that really benefit from
going to LIV, Austin Johnson just got $15 million per year for being a CADDIE, more than 99% of PRO golfers anywhere...let that
settle in for a minute MR. Eisen
@@tpate123345 BALONEY! He'd do a Run for charity and suck up pretty well for $25 MILLION.
You have voiced all the reasons why LIV is not a threat to PGA. PGA banning players is threat to PGA.
As for growing, I really do think more kids will get interested in game.
Competition of PGA tour is not threatened except when the best players are banned from it.
The is the result of cancel culture, you can't go and ban all the players who want to play just 9 events for lots of cash.
The PGA is mostly American focused. LIV is worldwide. The PGA became ridiculously corporate. The players have intrests not always in-line with the PGA and this is the result. LIV will get every player that doesn't align with the prehistoric PGA.
The LIV tour is not getting more kids interested in the game. Stop repeating Norman slogan
@@HynoDesignsvIII uh what?
Nailed it.
They are independent contractors -- per the PGA Tour -- of course they are out for themselves.
Because YOUR brain also works, you can see it.
Well done!
But how much is enough. They going for the joining fees not the competition. Getting $150m upfront means you don't care if you win or come last.
@@dondunn7 could say that about any other professional athlete. Does curry try less hard because he has a pre determined contract? How about the second and third string players that get payed for just sitting in the bench? PGA tour doesn’t pay well unless your top 100 of better. lol at the 60 guy in the corn ferry tour! He is paying to play
@@brocksperry450 NBA is not the best example since that's sports entertainment LOL
@@brocksperry450 there’s more than money to play for in the NBA and PGA. There’s nothing else in the LIV.
All this talk about “growing the game” how about those drivers that cost 600$ and a dozen balls for 50$. Yea, really growing the game.
I agree, golf is getting too pricey
Golf unfortunately has been known as the sport of “high class” individuals smh
I'd guess most of that equipment is made in Communist China.
Agreed. I play or at least try to, but I remember when you could get a new Odyssey putter for $99 and a new Callaway driver for $299. Not any more.
So true
The PGA and European Tour could have created a unified global tour years ago, like the ATP in tennis to prevent this.
100% agree. Golf is a global sport yet the majority of the "big" golf events are in the States. PGA have had it all their own way for far too long IMO!
Speaking of Tennis we may be heading to something similar to the pre-Open era, where the majors are reserved for amateurs and second rate golfers so we can identify which ones are good enough to go to LIV
Then we have the 48 player 3 round tournaments and Good Good style barnstorming matches for the pros good enough to graduate from the PGA Tour
The consumers decide and if pro golf heads in that direction it will because that's where the money is
Pro Tennis was like this for decades
In a true global tour the 4 majors would probably be something like:
US Open
British Open
Australian Open
Japan Open
Obviously we're a long ways from that
No reason to have exactly 4 majors either. In horse racing they have 3 (and that's only for the 3 year olds) and in the Senior PGA and LPGA they have 5
@@DanielSong39 In terms of prestige the PGA Championship matches the Australian Open as the 4th.
The US Open is third in both Sports.
But both the Master's and British Open have equal claim to be Wimbledon
@@DanielSong39 sorry to be pedantic but theres no such tournament as the British Open
Its THE OPEN.
Once enough players defect the PGA will let them all back and golfers will be able to play wherever they want.
This IMO is why the DP Tour is allowing their players to play both. Imagine a DP event in Spain and banning Sergio Garcia from playing? It would be stupid.
Then no one will be commenting. The pga tour is like an insecure child
Did anyone tell Rich it's was messed up when he left ESPN Sportscenter to go to his radio show?!
Well played
Well what talent from ESPN did rich sign to bigger contracts and take from ESPN like the LIV tour is doing ???
Definitely "out for himself"
@@Wyndamn
Rich would be the golfer, not the LIV
Rich is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.
Why is the PGA TOUR the only golf org that should be allowed ? Why should the players be “ loyal” to a tour when they’re independent contractors
So if they don’t play, that somehow changes anything?
The PGA made most of them who they are. They got lessons from PGA pros as kids, joined low level PGA tournaments when they went pro, and worked their way to the top through the PGA.
@@MDK2_Radio The PGA Tour didn't do that. The PGA of America did that.
@@MDK2_Radio Two separate orgs.
@@Riley_Mundt my bad, forgot about the spin-off.
The PGA is basically destroying themselves with the bans. If a few more top 20 players go to the LIV tour the PGA has to drop the ban. Oh and Rich... every golfer is out for themselves.
Truth!!!!👏👍😉
Yea Koepka makes... #2 Top 20?😅 And he's #19... and falling fast...
As they should be
Why didn’t Tiger take the money if it’s true?
@@MDK2_Radio So TIGER is your model of virtue???????????????? Don't go there. He's F-d up and admitted so.
Rich Eisen is a perfect example of sports broadcasting being “watered down”.
He is a tool that says what the network tells him to say!!!
Golf is not being destroyed. It's great to see new tours with new concepts & perks
“Checks that fans of golf can’t relate too.” Why would rich have that expectation for golfers checks but not literally any other professional sport?
Rich Eisen cashes checks that very few fans of golf can relate to.
@@jim6690 Exactly he acts like he is middle class. This coming from someone in the top 1%
@@jim6690 LIV is paying $$$ way out of line to what the golfers generate in revenue.
The PGA Tour has to run a business, they don't have bottomless pockets to throw $$$$ at them.
But hey, if you think it's cool Norman wants to throw around daddy's $$$ to try and "destroy' a golf tour which has given over $2 billion to charity over the past 40 some years go right ahead, however the communities and charities they serve probably don't share your enthusiam.
@@carlfrye1566 how can you say they don’t generate that money? There’s a huge loss in all professional sports from revenue generated to actually paying the players. You think the lakers are breaking even by paying Lebron 50 million a season ?
Rich--- If the PGA accounted for the LIV tour and people could play both, would it really be destroying golf? No, and since that's the case, isn't it more accurate that the PGA is destroying golf by making this line in the sand???
No. Because the PGA is about golf and the LIV is about damage control and image repair. But maybe watch the video and address what he says about the non-competitive nature of the LIV tournaments. As he says they're basically exhibitions. How's that good for the game?
100%
There was a time years ago when Rich was fairly fresh and progressive. man he has just aged in general…
So what if 2 tournaments clash that's the problem..
@@MDK2_Radio I feel your opinion is valid. However, I will ask you this..Why can't they play both? I'd love to hear your answer..
No offense but there's only one reason. The PGA is greedy, if not more greedy than the Players signing to LIV..You gotta call a spade a spade sir..
This is the market baby. I love it, the more competition the better. Only the strong will survive, cash in while you can boys. Hey Rich I know you don't want to hear about growing the game but most of us fans don't want to hear the PGA say some bs like how can you do this to the 911 victims. WTF
These same companies and countries still and will continue to work with the Saudis. The hypocrisy runs deep.
Hell, the United States sells weapons to the Saudis. How can that not be the biggest slap to the 9/11 victims? How it became golfers duty to hold the Saudis responsible I'll never know.
Which companies? You Saudi trolls keep regurgitating the same talking points... but don't name names?🤔😅
@@ForsakenWar 3M, AT&T, Haliburton, Boeing, GE, Proctor & Gamble, etc. I assume you have Google right? Oh, and don't forget the United States Government, as in Saudi Arabia is the biggest buyer of our military weapons.
@@darinvee4980 add Uber, Facebook, Disney+, and Americans probably shouldn't put gas in their car if they don't like Saudi oil
@@locobenno9435 Thanks for the additions. My quick search had a list of about 70, but I figured this guy could do a little research for himself. I also read approximately 40,000 Americans are working and living in Saudi Arabia. A good friend of mines brother had a job offer there and went for an interview and 2 week visit to see if he wanted to move his family. Money would have been great, but they wanted a 5 year contract, so he turned it down.
The PGA should have just stayed silent. Banning players is wrong and just made the PGA look childish.
Its what happens when someone upsets the apple cart, again if it isn't a ruse to keep the dialogue going about sports, and not about more important issues that are afoot.
The LIV tour to Rich Eisen: Thanks for the free publicity.
"These guys are out for themselves" one of the most idiotic statements ever. Who else are they supposed to be looking out for? The PGA Tour that wants to control the players and where they play and even want a cut of the money they make elsewhere in non competitive golf like The Match? They independent contractors and have chosen to play in events and take more money in a better deal for them and their family. What is wrong with that?
It's why everyone does what they do. Including Jay Monahan and Rich Eisen.
Exactly! Of course as independent contractors they don't get to force other companies to let them participate.... see how that works... right?
@@ForsakenWar Sure, but at what point does the PGA's "moral high ground" become a problem, and they have to back down. The PGA is the only party with anything to lose from this, and how they handle it will determine if they are the good guys or the bad guys as far as the narrative is concerned.
Like the way the NFL, MBA, NHL control the players playing in their franchises?
@@jeffhunt5964 They were NEVER the good guys. They willingly played the Masters at a racist course that just recently allowed black members. The PGA has NO moral grounds. They're a monopoly that is after money and power. Elitist golf snobs that are getting schooled by bigger snobs in a more elitist country.
Just wait until the LIV Tour gets a TV deal! That’s when you’ll see the big names defect. I can’t wait for it. 5-10 years from now you’ll have a merger or a real competition between the rival tours.
The problem for me is the hypocrites saying talking about the dirty Saudi money when ¾ of the PGA’s biggest sponsors do business with and/or are funded by them. They are griping about it because the PGA is scared and Monahan doesn’t know what to do and by the time he does, it may be too late.
The Big Names have already started to defect: Phil Mickelson, Dustin Johnson, Bryson DeChambeau, Rickie Fowler, Sergio Garcia.
Why would they defect then? With 100m plus fees being paid to defect they don't need tv deals to go across.
@@dondunn7 Because the TV money will further provide more to a money pot that will become an ungodly sum. Maybe they offer Zalatoris 300 million in 2 years.
Who’s going to watch exhibition golf? Not me. Good luck with that.
@@MDK2_Radio Nobody cares what you watch. With the names that will be there...they'll get a TV deal and the PGA will lose viewership. Elitist racist association, complaining about another elitist, racist group would be hilarious if it was't so sad.
GOOD FOR BROOKS 👏🏼
If you’re still allowed to play in the majors, moving to the LIV tour is an absolute no brainer. Stop with the complaining. These dudes are pro athletes. It’s about money. Legacy is something created by envious media.
Legacy is something created by envious media?? Spoken like a true participation trophy kid! 😂
Legacy is something all sports fans care about with respect to the sports they love. Tom Brady wouldn't be considered the greatest QB of all time, even if he technically were, if he spent his career in the CFL. His legacy of Super Bowl appearances and wins give him that and football fans will talk about it for generations to come. That's what we remember, not their salaries.
@@MDK2_Radio lol 99% of athletes could care less about the “fans.” Grown men who wish they could be them. the top 1% of athletes care about the legacy. Rest of em are doing it for the money.
@@Biz613 the LIV only wants the top 1% of golfers. They're not going around signing up the pros at your local country club.
@@MDK2_Radio Legacy doesn’t pay bills! 😂
Rich! They are out for themselves. As are you. As am I. They have zero responsibility to be out for anyone but their family. I don’t go to work every day for the greater good of anything. And I say that being a 2 combat tour infantryman. Don’t tell me it’s for country or the game, as neither give a crap about these players.
Eisen would work for a Conservative network if the price was right. These top level golfers are athletes are businessmen too. Good for them!!
They aren't destroying golf. The PGA is destroying it by refusing to listen to the player's issues.
PGA can't compete with a hundred billion dollar Saudi Investment fund
@@baltazarmush8843 500* billion dollar fund
@@baltazarmush8843 SURE they can. They get that much anyway...just need to share it more fairly with ALL the players.
@@davidc2838 This is false. The PGA does not make hundreds of billions of dollars in profit.
How is this any different than all the announcers and sportscasters playing musical chairs this offseason for higher paychecks? Do we tell Joe Buck and Al Michaels that they are "basically destroying broadcasting" ?
Exactly. So many self-righteous people accusing these players of "doing it for the money". Well...yeah. Why does anyone do what they do? I work in my profession because I get paid. Rich does his show because he gets paid. There's nothing wrong with that. It's a good and honorable thing.
Most networks aren’t guilty of gross human rights violations. Just one thing off the top of my head.
@@MDK2_Radio NBC should be found guilty for sedition.
@@MDK2_Radio Really? Was this true of the PGA when they permitted their players to compete in Saudi tournaments right up until Covid hit? You think the corporations that own the networks don't have ties to SA, China, etc? That's just incredibly naive.
@@MDK2_Radio Bullcrap.....Almost every fortune 500 company trips over themselves to do business in Saudi Araba and the networks in turn trip over themselves to do business with those same companies for advertising revenue.
No, they are not destroying golf. They are using their independent contractor rights and exercise their freedom.
What is wrong with taking care of #1!
Banning these LIV has beens is not right. However, the LIV tour is ridiculous.
The “LIV golfers are only out there for themselves” was a ridiculous statement…
Obviously, at the end of the day it’s only you and your family … So these pros should turn down hundreds of millions for them and there family in the name of “being loyal to the PGA tour” that’s being taking advantage of them Financially for years
Ungrateful peons should be happy to slave away for their monied masters!
Oh no not destroying golf. Destroying the PGA. Big difference.
Preach it bro
Facts the way Rich can sit and position a narrative is wild as hell sometimes
Yeah I wonder what the R &A thinks about golf’s “destruction”
I like to watch the majors, but don't usually watch the PGA tour. The LIV vs PGA drama has been entertaining to me while waiting for football season to start. The fact that these athletes are being given an opportunity to receive generational wealth because they are good at golf is pretty exciting from my outsider perspective. It has been comical watching PGA players being endorsed for millions of dollars by billion dollar corporations drenched in the blood of Chinese factory workers call out LIV players for taking "blood money" though.
Dont forget the nfl has owners who wont hire black coaches, colluded to keep collin kaepernick from playing in the nfl after he kneeled. MLB has been colluding against players to keep payrolls small and bud selig was found guilty of doing so back in the 80s. The nba has owners who got caught being racist other nba teams had cases of sexual assault and discrimination against women.
The funniest issue about this is complaining about blood money to defend a tour that plays at a course that had no women or black members until not that long ago.
But the nba, nfl, mlb are all perfect corporations we should be thankful for.
The LIV tour is trash. No one wants to watch Allstar golf. We want real competition. These players didn't want to put in the work. Tiger records are safe.
@@seandre59
LOL
Joe Biden is going to Saudi Arabia to request more oil... hellooo
you got rich white people at the pga who don’t want competition and they made it clear as day when they retaliated against the others for leaving. it’s so obvious what this is
I wasn't aware, before this LIV thing came up, that the PGA tour was a closed system like the UFC with exclusivity contracts. That automatically made me bristle. There are 45 PGA events (not counting specials) in 2022. There are 8 in LIV 2022. Suspending players for playing 8 exhibition tournaments? Man. PGA deserves what they get with their Dana White bullshit.
Yes and 14 events next year with a goal of 25 events per year.
Good for these guys. I hate that this is happening but the PGA needs to wake up. But the competition is real and there is nothing wrong with them being out for themselves.
Except for the fact that they've sold their souls to play for a tour backed by a despotic regime that's using them to try to clean up it's reputation for a history of continual human right's atrocities.
What competition? It's a bad product funded by some of the most evil capitalists in the world. This is bad
It’s not “competition.”
It’s a mountain of blood money being used to white wash barbaric acts.
How quickly yanks forget 9/11.
You are right but at the same time there is nothing wrong with the PGA looking out for itself. My opinion you go to liv you lose your PGA rights.
wake up to what??
Gets weird when a grown man worries about what another grown man is doing with his own career
he does this every day about all sports topics
Sounds like Rich is getting some backend PGA PR funding.
More than the golfers who miss the cut. Maybe this shill will pay for the caddy fees?
Yeah... his tone has been changing over the last few weeks. I'm guessing he is getting squeezed from upstairs.
The entire golf media industry are shills for the PGA. They have no choice. If they try to cover the LIV, the PGA will cut them off. None of them are willing to risk it.
Rich, you're not wrong too often. I think you are this time. I think it's a highly competitive tour. Win a few of those tournaments and your family is set for generations. The only legacy that matters. Eventually the last place guy will consistently be a world top 75 and the Adam Ogletrees of the world will have to go back to the PGA, no offense to Adam (if that is his name). Greg Norman will have his revenge, assuming that's his motivation.
He’s wrong quite often but this is great because the pga is so corrupt
Rich is wrong more often than not
Rich does not understand these golfers in their 20's do NOT care about the history of the PGA. They're being presented life changing amounts of money and Rich says they should turn it down because they need to respect the history of golf. LAUGHABLE!
It is not that. The slave system is ending. Finally.
Let me know when a top 10 player leaves for an exhibition league with amateur names.
@@joshramirez7 Tomorrow
The LIV tourney was great. I loved the shotgun start and the nonstop action. Much quicker pace, much more action.
Watering it down...this is not golf but just show tour...
@@kevinold5880 so there is no winner?
@@kevinold5880 Dude it’s entertainment and the LIV tourney was entertaining.
@@kevinold5880 Golf is so boring it needed an enema.
Not a golf fan but how is it that we Americans praise competition but now cry about it?
After years of watching you Rich…this was your single worst take of all time
Do you think he chooses what he wants to say? He gets paid to say what someone else wants him to say.
@@johnnysanchez4996 sounds like a miserable existence
@@thisizcle140 No I’m sure he’s being compensated very nicely.
I think you're overestimating Rich's takes
He doesn’t believe what’s coming out his mouth
So I guess Phil was right the entire time. Cause now it looks like the pga tour is going to essential copy their format and try to get players to stay. lmao
Hey, looks like we are growing the game of golf, no matter what you say.
BTW, it is easy to compete with the $s from LIV, but that means less $s for the PGA executives.
Proving yet once again the comments are way more entertaining then the actual RUclips video!
Competition is good! It's a business and every player has a right to better themselves! Long live the LIV! PGA better step up their game
If this is true, the NFL would have another competitor. But they created a product that generates billions of dollars each year.
It's not good for fans, not at all
Hey Dick Eisen, Imagine if ESPN were the only place you were allowed to work. The PGA Tour has been a monopoly. With no competition they became lazy and greedy. They had the money to increase purses. They had the ability to not financially break the backs of young players trying to get their cards. They had the ability to allow tour players to play outside events... but they chose not to do any of those things. And this is the result. Theses players are not "destroying golf." They are creating a future that is different from the past... that's all. If LIV offered you 3 yr $150 million contract to be the voice and face of LIV Golf, we would have to come visit you in the hospital because you broke your neck falling off your high horse of hypocrisy.
The PGA started in 1929 In 1968 the pga tour was a break away started by Arnie and Jack to improve money for the players. Why is this any different. Beside the Pga just announced they are doing the same type events next yr with 50 man fields no cut
The difference is they are taking terrorist money to launder the reputation of the 911 terrorists.
Because the money behind it is filthy. How about choose fucking standards over more millions?
Because the intent is not to grow the game of golf but just to add another asset to the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund.
Lol funny how easy people forget that our country had to evolve. If Saudi is choosing to evolve and is doing it through sports they wouldn't be the first to use this as an avenue to do so. Time will tell
@@skunkstripe6074 you don't think there is blood money rolling around in the pga tour? Because there is
It's finally an open market for the players. The PGA has taken andantage for years. Welcome to the party. If you want your top player to stick around open up those wallets.
Yeah, those poor players and their millions of dollars from the pga tour 💔
@@JohnSmith-ip8zy Woe is them
@@danstaples409 you can’t help but feel for them…thoughts and prayers 🙏
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Wonder if you can really blame any of the players?
PGA must of failed in areas that provoked the players from leaving .
We have other sports organizations loose out after being prominent like NIT to NAACP in tournament okay. The ABA too the NBA.
Hopefully big names like Mickelson will one day return, I only watched golf to see him for most part as he is a very appealing player !
Well I guess time will tell.
I don't believe this is going to last, because the Saudis aren't doing this in the interest of the sport. Once they decide that the novelty has worn off or it's no longer serving the purpose of repairing their international image, it's over.
That's the thing nobody seems to understand. Unlike other alternative sports leagues, this isn't about the sport itself.
If the Professional tournaments went away, I'll still be playing golf. Hopefully, The majors would remain
And....neither liv or the pga ain't gonna helpe break 80 🤪😂
The British Open and the Masters both said they would welcome LIV players. I imagine next year the US Open will too. So, it sounds like the majors won't change.
@@btbarr16 The LIV drama alone brings more eyeballs than it turns away.
The PGA Tour doesn't run ANY of the majors. INCLUDING the PGA Championship (PGA of America runs that).
@@theatremusician The Masters will do whatever it feels like. Whatever happens, it will not be a smooth season this year.
The PGA has had a monopoly for years and has been taking advantage of the players, and their response to the LIV tour is hypocritical and arrogant!
Taking advantage how? By paying out disproportionately for a sports league, providing pension, and furthering the game of golf for the less fortunate? Yeah, what a terrible organization. Bs
I can’t wait for the Saudi football league!
With more diversity ,make it look like America
Maybe gronk is going to play for the Saudi Arabian Redskins
@@gg456stormySaudi Arabian Commanders you mean. 😁
That's funny! I hoping the Saudis will start a pro table shuffleboard league
It already exists, they call it the English Premier League though
This video aged well. PGA Tour is going to have 8 tournaments next year with no cuts and $20M purse for each tourney.
do you know the sons of chris speier
You posted this comment within an hour of the video being posted
Aged fine, goodbye to the turds.
@@denroy3 that is sad move by PGA cuz 48 events + 8 no is gonna play at all of them.
Exactly. This is Norman and Mickelson's entire point. They don't do enough for the elite players. If they could have had 8 tournaments and $20 mil, then why haven't they done it already.
The real crying will start when LIV announces a super event same weekend as the Masters with a purse of $50,000,000.
That won't happen, but opposite Players Championship is more likely
I like it, or maybe just a hostile takeover of Augi National
@@wapitilizzard No way....but then they wouldn't allow any White Members.
So now the PGA Tour has 8 small field no cut events, are those now exhibitions?
Rich, your way off. These guys will make the PGA pay more, which was Michelson's original complaint, revenue sharing. You cannot blame individuals for chasing money. BTW, PGA went woke, so screw em" anyway.
Destroying the game of golf or destroying the PGA Tour. This shake-up has been imminent with how bad the PGA has treated its play compared to other major sports leagues. Players are not employed by the PGA they are independent contractors and as such move to where the money is.
Are you saying NFL players are employed by the NFL??? They are employed by NFL teams not by the league. The key is that golf is not a team sports, and that it is an individual sports. Name an individual sports where the organizing body employs players who compete individually and pays their wages. I wouldn't blame players who defected to LIV for their greed, but I can't stand them saying that they made their move to grow the game. They quit the PGA tour to grow their paycheck. Nothing more nothing less.
@@analoguru bro who runs the teams
@@panayiotisladas161 Obviously, team owners do and they pay players because they compete as a team. Again, you're missing the point when you compared golf to other major professional sports and you said tour players are not employed by the PGA tour.
10 Million barrels/day at $110/barrel = $1.1 Billion/day of oil revenues for Saudi Arabia to play with. They’ve got a LOT of discretionary income for ⛳️ among other things…
Russia and China the two biggest oil/'gas producers have the market cornered
And people wonder why rents are skyrocketing. Saudis, Chinese, and other international oligarchs are buying up ever hard asset in the world they can to secure that wealth against inflation and save for their future. That's who is driving up the price of homes, cars, stocks, art, etc. I should also include American oligarchs in that group. They habe the government bought and paid for, and the government prints money and hands it to them, so they just accumulate more and more wealth and power.
been a few yrs since i checked but producing a barrel for the saudi's is like $30-40/barell. So essetially like $600 million in "profit"
This is such a "stay together for the kids" narrative...
Traditions and prestige doesn't pay the bills Mr. Eisen.
And players not stressed to the point of breaking their equipment because they miss a cut and now they don't get enough money is a good thing.
Love the analogy! Wring your hands a little more Rich, poor, poor PGA. Let's pray for them.
Pay the bills. 😂 Pay the bill for their live-in yacht chef? Bills are the least of these top tier pro player's concerns.
@@RickKoeppen Yeah, gotta' laugh at these posters who act like these players are being denied a living, lol.
@@RickKoeppen MOST of the players don't make a lot. Suck it up PGA. Time to pay up for PROFESSIONALS.
Simple Fix: Fire Monahan and allow players to play when and were the can qualify.
Nah. It's a good thing for golf to not have one capitalist corporation owning the rights to all the players. Now that is a fucked up thing. LIV has more $$$ than thr PGA does and it's scaring them. I say- GOOD!
At a certain point the whole “playing against the best players” won’t be relevant because the best players will be one the live tour…these guys aren’t destroying golf…the PGA Tour is destroying golf they can easily both coexist…
The team rules you don’t know about is something most golfers can relate to in high school or college and being part of a team
Love how golfers get criticized but all other athletes get the whole get what you can while you can…it’s a joke
LIV Tour is OK with the PGA Tour being around. They need to send the golfers somewhere when they get cut
@@DanielSong39 Keep flappin those gums. The LIV tour is going to pay REAL money to golfers to participate. Nearly ALL of the best will be playing for the LIV eventually. Deal with it.
I'm a huge golf fan and I don't feel I'm missing out by seeing a new tournament format. can't say there's no pressure at the Ryder cup and presidents cup
My only complaint is if they eliminated Sunday golf from TV. If they eliminate Thursday, no problem.
Enjoy your new tournament format.
Thay have just made pga increase the purse for certain events. Say thanks to the liv tour for that.
Isn't it the opposite for the Ryder an President's Cups? The participants don't get paid at all.
Ryder Cup has memories, stories, characters, moments. It's more than money. It's competition and sport at its greatest.
No pressure because there's no cut? european sports fans have said the same about north american sports leagues for decades, because there is no consequence foor being bad (no relegation).
not so waterproof points you're making there, Rich.
excellent point and if i may add when americans wanted to create that soccer league in europe Rich was all for it. Not so fun when it happens in your yard is it? This is still the best show and he is still allowed to be wrong ( like the shift in baseball )
That's not a valid comparison because one's a team sport and the other's and individual sport. You can only compare the experience between individual golfers and individual athletes who play team sports, and yeah, if you don't do well in a team sport, you're cut and don't get the big payday. That said, if you think a pro sports team suffers no consequence for being bad, check out their ticket and merch sales when they are. Unless they have some other gimmick to keep the revenue stream flowing then they're suffering when they're bad.
@@MDK2_Radio in nfl i think they share their revenues from tickets, there was a scandal with snyder withholding money if i recall. What about tanking? all teams are doing it.
@@MDK2_Radio BALONEY. The Cowboys can suck all they want and Jerry Jones STILL has the most valuable franchise in ALL of sports. Stop being such a sod. The PLAYERS make the Game...they DESERVE to get paid. Anything else is pure BS. The NFL is a MONOPOLY / CARTEL and they ALL share TV rights and HUGE paydays.
They are growing golf by having around the world venues.
I hear every thing your saying but the PGA Tour banning the players is perhaps more the issue. If the tour had a different stance, the players could play in both and May end up ditching the Liv and playing every tour event when things settle down. Closing the door is ridiculous in week one of Liv
No it's a business and you sign a contract just like any other job.
The PGA Tour is struggling. Finding and identifying opportunities disappeared with the all exempt tour in 1983. Tiger is largely gone, and Rory isn't a suitable replacement. They think they own the players, and without the players there isn't a tour. Does anyone think for one second that a healthy Tiger doesn't dominate over a Scottie Scheffler? Be real, it has always been about money. The fact that the Tour's sponsors are getting Saudi money yet the players are playing for Blood Money by joining the LIV golf is pure posturing by the Tour. OH-
If the LIV is being created by golfers for the game of golf, nothing more, you have a point. If it's all sportswashing as some allege, it's not posturing. That's key to this whole thing. Why does the LIV exist? If it's for the game of golf, it will upend the professional tour as we know it, probably for the better. But if it's not about golf, then decisions regarding its management and whether or not to keep it going will not be made with golf in mind. And that's critical because if this is serving some other purpose and they decide that purpose is no longer being served, bye bye LIV and all the golfer associated with it. Hopefully they're all going to manage their earnings well because neither the PGA nor endorsements will be an option at that point.
lol not posturing; if any of your family was murdered then butchered; then tried to cover it up; how would you feel if we all said who cares they paid me money too bad for you buddy lol; if that is posturing you got a loose screw; with normal sponsers no issue but with Saudi state $$ not right in my opinion; hope none of these greedy bastards get it when they disagree with their new owners
This isn't the same Tiger....he's in his 40s now. He isn't dominating Scheffler at this point even if 100%. Scheffler is gonna hit it 30 to 50 yards past Tiger and Tiger isn't the same player
PGA is praying they can let Tigers son play now as a minor for ratings and Tiger caddy for his son.
@@MDK2_Radio STHU whiney. The US blows up countries. The PGA takes blood money from Sponsors. Don't kid yourself. The PGA was playing The Masters at a Racist Golf Club for decades without change. This isn't a girl scout troop. It's a corporate business PAID by other corporate businesses...that are owned in part by the Saudis and the Chinese...and OIL Companies that start Wars with the US Military leading the attack.
Why don't you ask the question about the PGA why there screwing the players. Why is the PGA charging the players millions just to compete with other players?
You realize once they get enough stars, it will definitely be super entertaining
If.....
@@ForsakenWar Looking pretty good so far amigo
Like the MLB All Star game.
Oh, wait a second…
@@steventinker3958 How is it looking good? They haven't signed one golfer who is in the top 15 and none the players have even won a tournament this season.
@@ForsakenWar WHEN
Your comments are insane... The 8 additional tournaments announced by the PGA tour have the same format and same money... Vous êtes seulement vexés... Pga Tour will be the 2nd division ... And liv the elite tour with warranted money
best response yet, john daly to nike, i have seen where and who makes your shoes
It's amazing how NOBODY calls the Ryder Cup an exhibition, but now this tournament series is "An exhibition series" by all of media...pathetic!
Ryder cup is a weekend event, this is an exhibition tour with amateur names. Give me a break.
@@joshramirez7 Josh, you are just taking a position. 48 players playing for millions of dollars is no exhibition. Nobody calls a WGC event an exhibition, why? 64 players? 4 Rounds? Better field? So if only 20 of the world's top 100 showed-up for one particular WGC event we'd then call it an exhibition? Nope! We'd call it a crappy event with a lousy field. And that may end up being the case with LIV, but let's stop pretending that you EVER admitted that the Ryder Cup was an exhibition until yesterday.
Are the players out for themselves??? OF COURSE! (pun intended) And also, aren't you out for yourself? We all are, and the players are making the best decision for themselves.
And it's been a LONG time since people could relate to a professional golfer.
Prob the best comment I've read
blame pga tour for being so cheap. the players did nothing wrong. ANYONE AND EVERYONE would take the money in whatever their profession they are in.
The media are stooges
If you think PGA tour was not paying their players enough then you are well out of touch. Its the only sport where you really earn your status and money. You have to perform and beat others, no team to hide behind and no way around.
Yes I am glad the Saudis have decided to just burn money and give it away and I am happy for the golfers but don't expect golf fans to say this is a good change and great for golf. The format is rubbish, cringe team names and rubbish branding and marketing. The teams are all pre determined with friends grouping together and a fake draft. No integrity even in their own formats.
Yes the money is a great change but is it earned or deserved. Greg Norman literally is the most bitter man I have ever seen. All the players have lost respect and tarnished their legacy something money can't buy but I guess they are happy to exchange it for the money and live with it.
@@chaddddd1251 They are CHEAP, GREEDY BSTRDS. Don't kid yourself. Making professionals PAY to play...stupid is as stupid does. Now they're going to lose players AND Sponsors. Good for the players. Shut up. If YOU were being charged to go to work you would pipe down and take the money.
@@chaddddd1251 lol "paying enough"... sorry this is your opinion. who are you to say other people are paid enough? also, I never said anything about being good for golf. of course, this is not good for golf. also, who are you to say it is earned or not? unless you are one of them, your opinion means nothing. otherwise, i can easily make comments about your job.
Isn't any different that any other business. Its not a revenge..... Where the f do you get that. If the PGA tour shafted Greg then maybe revenge is warranted.
The LIV isn't keeping the best from competing against the best. The PGA is.
One less day and a shotgun start means I spent less time having to watch essentially the same thing. A few hours instead of 12 in a day. There's also some big names in LIV, I wouldn't say it's an exhibition. In regards to the money, most average everyday Joe's would leave their job for a buck or 2 more an hour. Let's not all pretend we are so righteous..
If there are no cuts and everyone gets a participation trophy, how is it not an exhibition? Would most joes do that if that job was in organized crime (a valid parallel given the Saudis’ motives and the actual difference in pay scale)?
@@MDK2_Radio
Have you researched the pay structure? I'm guessing by your comment, you haven't.
Pay me more to do my job I'm doing for less somewhere else? Sign me up. This happens all over America, it's called the free market. Great point. If my bosses morals stopped me from making more money I wouldnt be employed and most of everyone would be homeless by now.
@@zacharymontell5385 have you? I’m guessing by your comment that you’re bluffing. Also it doesn’t address my points at all.
@@MDK2_Radio
I have seen the pay scale, very easy thing to look up. I'm tired of the Saudi money argument. Do you put gas in your vehicle? Do you have anything made in China?
People who played poorly during the LIV tournament we're still paid $120k or something and I agree 120k for being cut in the PGA would be ridiculous but I also think that getting $0 for being cut is also ridiculous in today's sports world. If you think of most other sports (soccer, baseball, rugby, hockey, etc) even if you have a terrible night as a player or a team you are still being paid to play as a professional. Even in baseball's minor leagues you still get paid (although not a lot). I really think that the PGA has to rethink its compensation structure and perhaps start considering a modest base salary for the average tour player if it wants to compete with LIV. I would argue that with all the money flowing in sports through TV and sponsorship revenue that the world in which a professional sports player has to pay entrance fees to play their sport and not get paid if they don't play well no longer exists, and that the PGA has gotten away with it for so long because they haven't had real competition until now.
This is a great point
Without players... there is no tour
First off, there are no cuts in the LIV. Obviously you haven't been paying attention.
Second, for the most part, the gripe is the PGA not paying their TOP players more. Not much about the little man trying to make it.
@@johnd3230 I don't think you read my comment carefully or tried to understand the point of my comment, and it's pretty clear you didn't really want to. What I am saying is that the worst golfer in the LIV tournament made around 120k, and for the PGA to start paying people 120k for being cut would be ridiculous, but so is paying people $0. I'm saying that there are problems in the ENTIRE compensation structure, not just at the top. You hear about the top players griping more because they have a bigger platform and audience to gripe to
@@UmpaDuncdude I see you edited it. Now you're making your point better.
Quit grandstanding Rich. You know how much the PGA sponsors make off Saudi money, enough's enough
Let’s talk about his pay check
"The Greg Norman revenge Tour", haha brilliant!
And he’s winning
@@hosoiarchives4858 For the moment
Is he?
And why do you think that’s a good thing?!
LIV is the perfect place for Brooks. He hates golf, wants to play as little as possible and maybe still play majors (we will see what they decide next year). Best finish by any LIV player at the US Open was T24, but tell me again how the best players are jumping ship.
Sit and watch crybaby. When the best players take the money they deserve...
More money for the same Job with way less hours. Yes please! I‘ll take that Job as well!
It’s not the same job.
Maybe for normal people but if I’m an athlete already worth millions playing a game I love I think it would be cool to complete for historic pga titles and the Ryder cup. Some of them see it as just a job some love competing too
@@Cornwall1888 you can not continue playing forever. Make as much money as possible in the limited amount of time you have. Very easy decision to make!
@@sirloin17 I said competing for historic titles, winning the players at sawgrass or jack or arnie’s tournaments with many legendary winners is cool
Way diff job, liv format boring af
There should be a top 10 PGA Tour and Top 10 LIV tour head to head at the end of the year
How awesome would that tournament be!
A rider cup format
Most of those LIV players can't even make the cut in a PGA event, hence why they took the money and ran.
@@tood6459 that’s hilarious
@@tood6459 Wait until year's end. Most of the PGA players will start playing for LIV. The MONEY will DRIVE them there. Pun intended.
He wasn’t thinking about, he was a goner, once his little bro signed with LIV.
He doesn’t play that much tournaments anyway.
“These guys are out there for themselves”
If you got an offer to do another radio show but you got paid 3x you wouldn’t do it in a heartbeat? PGA doesn’t own golf.
When Rich Eisen hits balls 4 or 5 hours a day 6 days a week for 20 years and somebody offers him a hundred million he can turn it down then.
I thought fans of golf are what matters, because we don’t seem to have a problem with it 🤷🏼♂️
There's nothing to say that LIV won't change the format once they've signed up enough players.
Yep. They'll have their own individual non-team championship
Exactly...this could be a very different setup in 2/3 years time, as much money as the Saudis have I doubt every single guy is going to get paid every single event once the field starts to grow
@@worldgonecrazy They are PROFESSIONALS. They should be getting paid.
The PGA is being disrupted and I’m all buttered popcorn about it 🍿.
Just wait until LIV allow the guys to wear shorts. They’re really are going to loose it! 😂
The PGA tour are morons as they put the game behind an enormous pay wall. it was sickening to watch sky sports in the U.K. offer free coverage of the Canadian open whilst the first liv tour event took place. Sky have now realised that they have massively overpaid for coverage of a tour that is bleeding players. More power to the fans and less to the PGA.
@@Labgorilla 1 actual player this week is 'bleeding' players??🤔😅
@@ForsakenWar Most players DON'T make much money....that's BLEEDING Players.
I happy for the guys who got the bag with Liv. Sports should not be politicized. Nothing wrong with accepting it. If it’s good enough for Uncle Sam to do business with Saudi Arabia then it’s good enough for me. At the end of the day as an athlete you have to do what is best to secure a future for your family
And I remember Barack bowing down to the Saudis.
Facts
If the PGA doesn't start adjusting its player payment format the LIV Tour will pluck all of the top young players leaving the NCAA/USGA ranks. So stop shaming these men. Media is so petty with this line. PGA needs to open up the bank accounts, change the way they pay their members and compete.
Instead of having the media run air cover for them calling players taking life changing dollars "greedy".
Especially while the US President was in Saudi asking for oil at a cheaper price.
Hypocrisy abounds.
Good for these golfers! PGA has to step up and re-think how they do things…
Im for this new tour. The PGA is some high class, haughty, bs. Golf is a great sport but the PGA is filled with this ‘you’re not rich enough to watch this sport’ narrative.
LOL
I agree. The PGA Tour is destroying golf. No other league took the actions that the PGA Tour did.
The Scottish tour banned LIV players today. The majors need to ban them too
It’s ALL about taking the guaranteed money! More power to them all! PGA needs to figure out ways to survive. Tax Exempt Status?!?!?! Really?
“No real stakes to it”? It’s year one…no different than ANY new league. You don’t wanna watch?…then don’t. Stop talking about it. All your doing is keeping LIV in the headlines.
There are no stakes to the LIV tour and there never will be. It's garbage golf. Rich is right. There's no pressure, no tension, no excitement. It's just about money and nothing else.
you are 100% right the only thing notable about the whole thing is how much guaranteed money is being paid - after that its a member- guest
@@HTHAMMACK1 Yeah, just Money for EVERYONE that plays and Fun. We CERTAINLY must not be talking about Golf then.
I’m out for myself too. I take the job that pays the most. Even when the company’s moral compass conflicts with mine.
And there is the problem with todays society. Money and personal greed over everything. Sad.
@@TyWebb4 do you think my personal decisions should be in your favor?
@@mrfld You said you would choose money over morals. Those type of decisions are generally bad for society. It has nothing to do with me personally.
It just shows that the pga has been taking advantage of the athletes because they have a monopoly. If you get cut you don’t get paid. What sport doesn’t pay half its athletes?
This is the single most important point about golf . How is it fair that you work so hard , and then get told , sorry no money for you this week, come back next week . Yet it costs you money to travel , caddie , hotels etc .