His edge guarding is also like his one saving attribute. Like they put Gannon but not plant. Plants is way better than Gannon’s if you know what you are doing.
plant is best at home camping on ledge too so its a wonder as to why not mention was given but ganon was. however maybe theyre just referring to edgeguarding rather than edge trapping which is technically what plant excels in
Tbh tho, Luigi's fast areals can easily edgeguard someone who's really close to the ledge, stealing they're jump. Example: fair, dair, nair, up air, and down b if ur a man. It also helps that he has bad air mobility which means he will drift really close to the ledge.
Replace Ganon on this list with Meta Knight. People always seem to forget he exists... he can edguard with fair and backair, and more importantly his neutral b while always making it back as literally all his specials are recovery options, and he also has multiple jumps.
λucas Yeah, not sure about Ganon being here, dude’s definitely got juice offstage but he can’t go too far, and he can’t throw out multiple moves against a low recovery without a decent amount of risk. There are definitely a good amount of recoveries that Ganon bops for free, but most of them are covered by other characters and more.
I agree that Meta Knight should be on this list but you may have forgotten that Meta Knight's nuetral b does not allow for any post recovery thus can be very tricky to use offstage
@@Mepphy99 Same stuff he did in smash 4 except he struggles to kill as much in exchange for a better neutral. Very underrated character with surprisingly good top tier match ups (I pretend snake doesn't exist tho).
@JohngamerYT i don't care if this real or not, if i said "no" that because your comment wasn't funny and because the "me laughs in" isn't very original
Wait, mewtwo isn’t on the list? His back air can reach miles In front of him, his fair can kill early, his nair can drag down, shadow ball can edgeguard and reverse his momentum. Kinda confused how he isn’t here
Same with meta Knight he is tied with the most jumps in the game and all of his special can be used for recovery and all have a hitbox at one point. Plus his aireals have decent range come out very quick his bair is quick and kills his fair can be linked with a jump and another to kill his dair semi spikes and his up air is fast and at low percents can combo into a bair
I guess it's just hard picking a top 10 when the game has like 70 chars xD Ivysaur isnt all that great, but it's dair alone is a better edgeguarder than some entire characters hahaha
@@project-electron3291 nope Squirtle is better than Ivy. Ivy's neutral lacks something as Razor leaf isn't that great, so you have to consistently space your bairs to wall them out. Squirtle has one of the best neutral and combos in the game. Ivy's advantage state is godlike though.
@@project-electron3291 ivy is a great char, I only meant that as an edgeguarder it lacks a lot of the good traits you can see on this video. But just with it's dair it's already better than many chars at edgeguarding
Lucas 100% should be on this list with d-smash invalidating a lot of recoveries up-b as an amazing recovery decent kill option and if used right can drag people into the blast zone great disjointed areals two of which spike down b stalls an can do lots of cool stuff f-tilt 2 frames and lots of other stuff Like zair and pk freeze
My friend was like "yeah I kinda play this game" and then REFUSED to let me recover while I played fox and they played peach. Thats the first time I learned to fear the Peach.
@@johnnyray9107 TBH, I joke about that, but Fox is one of those characters I have a horrific track record against. The goal is to not go off stage with him and just overwhelm enemies in neutral and you should be fine.
I would put Link on this list as well. Bomb is a dangerous tool on its own, enabling Link to edgeguard effectively without having to go off-stage similar to Snake, while also nullifying most vertical recoveries when z-dropped or thrown downwards at the ledge. Link's bow and arrow can also be used in a similar manner to snipe opponents traveling high. Without these, Link is also a great edgeguarder himself, with N-air's strong first hit and long lasting soft hitbox. B-air has incredibly low end lag which allows him to throw out multiple while in the air. Although a _Fair_ly committal move, F-air has great range and will kill incredibly early when used off stage. D-air is a much stronger commitment, but with the right set up can be used to spike opponents with minimal risk. There's also Link's hero spin, which, similar to Shulk's, can be reversed, allowing him to steal stocks whilst recovering and also has a long lasting hitbox that can scoop up opponents offstage. With so many tools at his disposal, Link's edgeguarding ability should not be underestimated, and can definitely stand up together with the rest on this list.
It's hard to watch this video without having Lucas and Ness as one of the best edge gaurders in the game. Imo I think Lucas is the best edge gaurders in the game because unlike everyone else, Lucas doesn't need to go off stage and kill people but others do. Lucas whole Special moves can edge guard everyone in the game. Also up smash and down smash easily 2 frame anyone in the game. Everyone has an opinion but imo, Lucas is the best edge gaurder in the game
Sonic definitely should be on the list. His moves are great to catch recoveries. Fair,bair, maybe dair, spring, HA, and spindash. His recovery allows him to go for deep edgeguards and can air dodge. He can even two frame with that stupid fsmash that kills early cuz he exists
Same if inkling on the list sonic and megaman should be top. All inkling edgeguarding tools is just fair and bair Inkling recovery is if sonic megaman recovery could go horizontal but they got directional edgeguards so inklings is just overated
Edge guarding and arials are Meta Knights whole thing in ultimate I'm sitting here like.... how isn't he in this vid. I get he isn't a popular character but damn. My main gets no love
@@Migota_ Yeah all of his arials (especially his back air and nair) is very good for knocking people far off the stage and with all of his jumps he can just chill off the map for so long.
Numbingbird Better than OK, b-air and f-air are amazing at hitting opponents fast off-stage, you can fast-fall nair to lead into those aerials, and tornado at ledge is honestly just amazing. Not to mention multiple jumps and 4 ways to recover.
@Roberto S�nchez Zuriaga u right my dude he has a top 3 ledgetrapping but maybe not a top 10 ledgeguarding. It's easy to dodge the bomb if you're in the air if you have a good recovery. its NOT easy to dodge a bomb when you're on ledge and the bomb is right next to you
@@azophi it's not easy to dodge a bomb plus nair or a early detonation. Nair bombs arrow and boomerang are all key in Link's edge guarding to force low recoverys. Nair, bomb and arrow are used the most.
@@keylarous467 oh and about Mario, I don't get the point of that, I mean, he doesn't have anything that great to go offstage, his fair is predictable and super slow
Kevin Jackson in some matchups its a free edgeguard and you cant avoid it. wanna go high against lucas ? pk fire fair and freeze wanna stay at the ledge? down angled dtilt or dsmash. Lucas shines at the ledge.
i was specting link on the first place, he can edgeguard with out even geting off the stage, he can also reverse edgeguard with his up B, can also edgeguard with any aerial, nair being the best for comming out too quickly, down air can spike, Fair can kill at low percentage out stage, and Bair can connect with Up B, the bomb can cover almost any angle, arrow can travel very far away and kill near to the blast zone, boomerang can cover certain angles and take away jumps.... why is no Link in this video???
Because there's people foolish enough to say "Nair and bomb are better for ledge trapping" because it's "safer" which is by default. If you don't use nair when edge guarding with link you'll rarely close out stocks and fail a lot.
I can't take this guided seriously because they missed the best Smash recoverer , PACMAN , , like WTF what kinda guide misses a a character that can basically go to the and of every stage , so far out the stage , even when the screen no longer shows were you are ( To end of time out the stage lol ) , and PACMAN can still recover , again , I can't take this guide serious if they missed that lol
@@bluckq but his side B has super armor and is incredibly hard to challenge. Plus he has a ton of ways to stall in the air and mix up his recovery. He can recover super high and be relatively safe due to being able to both drop the Hydrant and z drop Fruit, on top of having a nigh incontestable side b should he choose to recover low or laterally. A good Pac-Man is nearly impossible to edgeguard.
@@DoritoTime not really. He has a ton of really geat ledge trapping setups with Hydrant, Fruit and Trampoline that leave opponents with basically nowhere to go if executed right.
There are so many good edge guarders in this game. You missed ones like MK, Mewtwo, Falco, Piranha Plant (more of a ledge trapper tbh but still), Mega Man and more.
I rly don't think Mewtwo, Falco and Plant are better Edgeguarders than the ones shown in the vid. I agree for Megaman tho. He def should be in the top.
Pit is definitely underrated in edgeguarding, when I play as him I almost never have to worry about how deep I am going and most of my edgeguarding attempts work out for me in some way
Yeah Pit has been a really good character for learning edgeguarding for me, the multiple jumps and great up b make it much easier to work offstage without fear of messing up the recovery afterwards
I main Dark Pit in Ultimate, Lets see, All air attacks besides up-air kills with decent range and fairly fast startup and end lag, a very good recovery and multiple jumps, and while Light Arrows are good for hitting others offstage while you stay onstage, Dark Arrows give more knockback and can be used offstage, and aimed up at recovering characters.
I think Falco is pretty good at edge guarding. His insane jump height and good horizontal recovery means he can go pretty far, and the multi hits on both his fair and nair make them hard to avoid.
You forgot about BOTW Link. He has some strong edge guarding tools that can such as his Nair, remote Bomb and reverse Aerial UpB are both unique and extremely strong for him
After seeing what ESAM can do with Pikachu, I think he's the best. Regi hasn't shown anything close to pikachu edgeguarding on the top level. Why wasn't Mewtwo on this list? Mewtwo is Jigglypuff and Palutena in one.
Lucas is good w pk fire and thunder while also having a long dair. Down smash is more of a ledge trap than a edge guard but still as a lucas main I'm sad he ain't on here Me : Cries in lucas
Are we gonna not talk about Meta Knight? He has great frame data, can stay in the air for a long time, and all of his specials are good for recovery, especially because of the hit boxes on each move
sheik is still the best edgeguarder, have people forgot when void edgeguarded the shit out of salem's bayo at smash and splash? that stuff didn't get nerfed my dudes
@@verp177 • bouncing fish for high recoveries • if it misses just recover with up b and you might score an easy kill • nair sends at a stupid angle, i've gimped people at like 12%, super effective against characters like mario, olimar, damn the lingering hitbox even destroys palu • bair is strong, has a big hitbox, often combos into bouncing fish, and lingers too • wall jumps & bouncing fish against the wall make her movement incredible and create a lot of mixups • it's never a problem to get back to the stage if things don't go as planned i looooove her
@@aisu_j5 I really like her too, but I think bouncing fish isn't that precise L, and if u miss it you can get easily punished for that, then Bair has a quite small hit box and low knock back, Nair is just a better version of Bair but still her suor spot sucks
Other good edgeguarders imo: Wolf because of fair and bair Link's nair is safe as well a remote bombs Dr. Mario's tornado is really scary offstage and he also has a solid back air Mario's back air and fair are useful Falco's down air and fair are safe and since Falco has a high jump, he has no problem returning to the stage Ridley and Dedede have multiple jumps so they are the best heavyweight edgeguarders Toon Link has a consistent edgeuarding with fair and nair to gimp Roy's noodle hits of his sword hilariously gimp as well Chrom, just like Lucina, has consistent edgeguarding Cloud has nair, forward air, back air, neutral B and limit Captain Falcon has the knee and stomp Isabelle and Villager have the slingshot fair and bair R.O.B. has arm rotor and fast aerials
most of this list is good however cloud and wolf cant generally make it back which is a hige problem if you wanna edgeguard especially with a laggy move like bair on wolf
R.O.B also has his gyro to cover normal get ups and an extremely threatening dair with a spike hitbox the size of Jupiter to cover jumping. I honestly think he, Snake, and Pac-Man should be tied for first place on this list.
Sorry, but I can’t take an edge guarding list seriously in which Pac-Man and King Dedede aren’t even present, but Ganondorf and Lucina are. Don’t get me wrong, Ganon and Luc definitely aren’t bad edgeguarders, but above Pac and DDD? No way
Roberto S�nchez Zuriaga Dedede’s aerials being slow is true, but his ledge traps are incredible with the Gordos. If you’re ever offstage and a good Dedede is onstage you’re pretty much dead, because gordos can completely gimp characters without Dedede even having to go offstage, similar to Snake’s Nikita, and his dsmash and dtilt are both pretty good two-framers. Dsmash also covers nearly all recoveries from the ledge, and the Gordo can be stuck to the side of the stage to completely deny certain characters. If all of this fails (which it rarely does), he still has his fast nair, large fair, powerful and decently fast bair, and spiking dair. Dedede’s biggest strength is ledgetrapping and edgeguarding
@@jacobmohr82 thats attacting from the ledge if the video was about that then they would include wolf and bowser down smash and other character's that can 2 frame ledges
Wait wait wait where the hell are Simon and Richter? They easily have one of the best edge guarding and edge trapping tools in the game with their forward special, neutral special, and down special they can kill someone offstage easily without even leaving the ground, and to top it all off their ariels are great, look at fare and bare, those have amazing range and as long as you don’t go to far off (which you don’t even need to) you can usually get back on stage easily
before watching the vid, falco Edit: WHY IS FALCO NOT IN THIS VIDEO, HE HAS SOME OF THE BEST EDGE GAURDING WITH HIS EXTREMELY LONG HITBOX WITH FORWARD AIR AND BIG SPIKE HITBOX WITH DOWN AIR, IM ACTUALLY PISSED
Umm, you’ve forgot to mention bowser jr, who has SO much edge guard options: Up B bomb, Up B Hammer, Mechakoopa drop, Mechakoopa throw, clowncart, BackAir, FowardAir, DownAir to push opponents down, cannonball, that falls down after some time. And also Jr has a really good recovery with a 3rd clowncar jump. Bruh, one of the best EdgeGuarding machines not mentioned here. I’m not even talking about the fact, that airials have a MASSIVE long lasting and safe hitbox. Also you can combine all these things together. BRUH MOMENTUM! The most underrated character IMHO.
Umm... actually no. If you press shield, the clowncart returns. It doesn’t always work, but in 90% of cases it does and I can return to stage successfully. Also bowser jr has a third jump with a clowncart, so you can travel under the stage easily and avoid Ness or Lucas down smash
Ok, before I watch, I'm going to guess Mr Game and Watch I might be biased because I main him, but really -Dash attack is a long lasting, somewhat powerful, universal 2-frame move -fair is virtually no risk, has medium damage and _fair_ kill power (yeah puns) -Bair can both be a tricky to tech stage spike, or be used as a traditional edgeguard and is pretty strong -he can go super deep with up-b being able to come back from basically anywhere -dair is actually safe to use and can spike or, again, stage spike. And because you wouldn't expect to see a move like dair offstage and it's so fast, you're bound to surprise someone so that they can't tech in time, and at high percents it might even become untechable.
@@ahmadkazan7994 The knockback of spring in Ultimate is less than it was in Smash 4, meaning it has to be at a higher percent to successfully gimp someone with spring alone
Bayonetta is one of the best, if not the best edge guarder in the game due to her ABKs which has lots of active frames, is a moving hit box which makes it more difficult to punish, a large hit box, and can turn into a combo which confirms a kill even if you’re mediocre with bayonetta, this even turnsa matchup in her favor. (Ness)
I KNOW. WHERE'S LINK. Also besides down B link has a super long lasting nair, a fair that kills early for people who recover high, a spammable back air, and an up b that covers a ton of distance and can also serve the same purpose as shulk. Z-dropped remote bomb is amazing and can counter so many other characters... Link's amazing edgeguarding is one of the ONLY advantages he can use over characters like Palu. He can even edgeguard a freaking teleport my dude
@@verp177 and his nair and reversed up b can kill at ledge pretty early and fair is good but okay true... link doesn't really have a super great strategy against palu. He's top 3 at ledgetrapping but not SUPER great at ledgeguarding
She's much better at ledge trapping and if she goes off stage and messes up she can be easily gimped with a lingering hit box e.g. meta knight nair/tornado.
No Lucas?!? PK Thunder: Same arguments as Nikita, less damage, but can multi-hit a-la Fairplane, steal jumps, or stage spike PK Freeze..... Esp now that it doesn't initiate special fall offstage PK Fire: projects you back towards the stage and has RIDICULOUS knockback Fair: Fast, disjoint, high knockback Dair: Fast, mobile, first 3 can gymp, spike hitbox on 4th PSI Magnet: Stall allows more time to cover options & set up frametraps, and the hitbox on releasing it can kill offstage Bair: Strong meteor Nair: Palu-Lite™ Tether to switch up getting back, coupled with tether cancels and getting a second PK Thunder after hitting yourself into the stage Floaty, High aeiral mobility, & about twice the recover-ability of Ness
Either pika or link, pika is so fast with a great recover and thunder, link has great projectiles and the bomb has a massive hit box and his up b can kill at 80 at the ledge, just drop down and up b back on stage while the opponent is there and they dead, that being said they made it past the bomb, boomerangs and nair
*Possibly long comment ahead* I mean yes k.rool doesn’t have the ability to Nair with super armour and can’t recover vertically very well. And of course he can’t just use blunderbuss to condition the opponents recovery and follow up with an easy edgeguard. Dair doesn’t 2 frame nor does dtilt and of course (as I mentioned earlier) if you see your opponent jump after the blunderbuss kannon and are close enough to stage you can fair them for free (depending on their recovery) and krown can’t stuff out a jump setting up for and easy edgeguard with no worry of recovering for K.Rool. Don’t be silly he can’t edgeguard and yes I have some salt before I’m asked.
As A joker Main I am a really big proponent of edge guarding. Arsene Bair is really good in general but off stage it is scary as hell. Also down gun against poor vertical recovery is another great option
What about pit arrows are annoying af he can probably 2 frame with down smash, most of his aerials edge guard as well guardian oribtars can even push some recoveries enough to gimp them
Although he is a bit slow, King K. Rool is solid and overall underrated in terms of edge guarding. His Nair practically has super armor because of his belly, and it can trade with other recoveries with hitboxes so the move is little punishing. His Nair also holds out for a long time (about the same time as Mr Game and Watch’s back air). There are other moves that K. Rool has that is also solid, like his down and back air, but they are less practical in terms of edge guarding, outside of spikes of course.
I think Megaman is easily one of the best edge guarders. His wide array of projectiles plus his fair, dair, and bair make him a deadly foe when trying to get back on stage
When plant is in the thumbnail but not on the list
He's there to get plant mains to watch the video when all this channel do is talk about top tiers
It's a true horror
@@keylarous467 It worked on me:( He didn't even mention ptooie
*sad vegetal noises*
His edge guarding is also like his one saving attribute. Like they put Gannon but not plant. Plants is way better than Gannon’s if you know what you are doing.
You forgot Little Mac. He's clearly the best character when it comes to edge guarding
@@hawlucha4772 straight facts!
Jayden may i correct you?
Little mac should be banned
Little Mac is broken. He’s like pre patch diddy level broken.
@@cjsports5462 Nah he's Brawl Meta Knight on steroids
Dragon Gamer Z I don’t think he’s that broken
4:00 “He can throw out multiple bairs.”
Me: “But that’s a turtle.”
angellus09
I chuckled. Nice
SAME bro
Hahaha i genuinely laughed
Lik
lol sorry
Has piranha plant in the thumbnail
Doesn't ever mention plant
That is the definition of clickbait
plant is best at home camping on ledge too so its a wonder as to why not mention was given but ganon was. however maybe theyre just referring to edgeguarding rather than edge trapping which is technically what plant excels in
@@packun_jonk3276 ***But Snake***
Rip plants reputation
He literally sacrificed his entire kit to be the edgeguarding god but never even got mentioned 😭
Pac man's hydrant is the best character.
Pac-man can edgeguard with fruit, hydrant, f-air, n-air, d-air, he’s amazing at it
@@camusreviews6877 I know bro i'm a main pac man xD
dada sterloune so you just going to forget about Nana huh 😂
Fair nair fair nair fair nair fair fair fair fair D I E
Casson I think he meant it as a joke lol
We all know Luigi is the best edgeguarder in the game with his down taunt tho
DarkScorpion X true
Tbh tho, Luigi's fast areals can easily edgeguard someone who's really close to the ledge, stealing they're jump.
Example: fair, dair, nair, up air, and down b if ur a man.
It also helps that he has bad air mobility which means he will drift really close to the ledge.
So yeah, your right, luigi is good at edgeguarding
@@trentfart yeah but you know it is not necessary to be serious about someone who said a joke
@@wrath5420 I didn't see it as a joke
Replace Ganon on this list with Meta Knight. People always seem to forget he exists...
he can edguard with fair and backair, and more importantly his neutral b while always making it back as literally all his specials are recovery options, and he also has multiple jumps.
We're all just still angry and traumatized ten years later tbh
λucas Yeah, not sure about Ganon being here, dude’s definitely got juice offstage but he can’t go too far, and he can’t throw out multiple moves against a low recovery without a decent amount of risk. There are definitely a good amount of recoveries that Ganon bops for free, but most of them are covered by other characters and more.
I miss maining meta knight in smash 4, annihilating people off stage was so much fun
recovery
I agree that Meta Knight should be on this list but you may have forgotten that Meta Knight's nuetral b does not allow for any post recovery thus can be very tricky to use offstage
Me sitting in the corner of my basement playing meta knight: sadness.
Every smash youtuber and top player: Mk is in Ultimate still?
😭😭😭man I feel this 100 percent as a meta knight main.
I felt insulted when he didn’t mention Meta Knight, as I too am a Meta Knight main.
Roberto S�nchez Zuriaga Thats what I’m talking about!
What the hell does meta knight do in this game?
@@Mepphy99 Same stuff he did in smash 4 except he struggles to kill as much in exchange for a better neutral. Very underrated character with surprisingly good top tier match ups (I pretend snake doesn't exist tho).
“No character can stay in the air forever”
Me: laughs in snake
AHAHAHAH SO GOOD THAT YOUR COMMENT IS STOLEN LOL
@@unidime3217 Doubt it, this isn't a very original thought.
@Tiny JohngamerYT no
Snake can kill himself with enough dmg
@JohngamerYT i don't care if this real or not, if i said "no" that because your comment wasn't funny and because the "me laughs in" isn't very original
Wait, mewtwo isn’t on the list?
His back air can reach miles In front of him, his fair can kill early, his nair can drag down, shadow ball can edgeguard and reverse his momentum. Kinda confused how he isn’t here
Mewtwo has great air speed, most of these characters just fall faster
Was the "confused" pun intended?
Same with meta Knight he is tied with the most jumps in the game and all of his special can be used for recovery and all have a hitbox at one point. Plus his aireals have decent range come out very quick his bair is quick and kills his fair can be linked with a jump and another to kill his dair semi spikes and his up air is fast and at low percents can combo into a bair
Julian Kroon this pro guide isn’t that good zero confirmed it
Dude64 The Deeity
You hit his tail
I guess it's just hard picking a top 10 when the game has like 70 chars xD
Ivysaur isnt all that great, but it's dair alone is a better edgeguarder than some entire characters hahaha
Ivysaur is one of the better Pokemon in smash and the best of the three pokemon of Pokemon Trainer
@@project-electron3291 nope Squirtle is better than Ivy. Ivy's neutral lacks something as Razor leaf isn't that great, so you have to consistently space your bairs to wall them out. Squirtle has one of the best neutral and combos in the game. Ivy's advantage state is godlike though.
@@project-electron3291 ivy is a great char, I only meant that as an edgeguarder it lacks a lot of the good traits you can see on this video. But just with it's dair it's already better than many chars at edgeguarding
It’s the same thing with snake’s side B missile
Lucas 100% should be on this list with d-smash invalidating a lot of recoveries up-b as an amazing recovery decent kill option and if used right can drag people into the blast zone
great disjointed areals two of which spike
down b stalls an can do lots of cool stuff
f-tilt 2 frames and lots of other stuff
Like zair and pk freeze
Lucas is literally hell to deal with when trying to recover
can't believe they put Ganon over Lucas
i think lucas may have one of the best edgeguarding games in the entire game
Peach/Daisy: *cries in float fair, down b, neutral b, bair, dair, side b, up b*
My friend was like "yeah I kinda play this game" and then REFUSED to let me recover while I played fox and they played peach. Thats the first time I learned to fear the Peach.
Johnny Ray
To be fair, you were playing Fox.
@@Endershock1678 yeah foxes recovery is predictable at times. Particularly when I play him.
@@johnnyray9107 TBH, I joke about that, but Fox is one of those characters I have a horrific track record against. The goal is to not go off stage with him and just overwhelm enemies in neutral and you should be fine.
Johnny Ray everyone can edgeguard fox easily lol
Where's bayo?, i mean, she can dance offstage for days and still getting back to the ledge,
No jump = no chance
Orion L. If you’re edge guarding chances are you’re coming from the stage
I thought she would be the first one they talked about considering she can snatch you up with up b and fair
Her smash attack
I thought the same thing. Lima makes it look like this bitch has as many jumps as Puff
I would put Link on this list as well.
Bomb is a dangerous tool on its own, enabling Link to edgeguard effectively without having to go off-stage similar to Snake, while also nullifying most vertical recoveries when z-dropped or thrown downwards at the ledge. Link's bow and arrow can also be used in a similar manner to snipe opponents traveling high.
Without these, Link is also a great edgeguarder himself, with N-air's strong first hit and long lasting soft hitbox. B-air has incredibly low end lag which allows him to throw out multiple while in the air. Although a _Fair_ly committal move, F-air has great range and will kill incredibly early when used off stage. D-air is a much stronger commitment, but with the right set up can be used to spike opponents with minimal risk. There's also Link's hero spin, which, similar to Shulk's, can be reversed, allowing him to steal stocks whilst recovering and also has a long lasting hitbox that can scoop up opponents offstage.
With so many tools at his disposal, Link's edgeguarding ability should not be underestimated, and can definitely stand up together with the rest on this list.
Link literally has a top 5 edgeguard
Because of down b, nair, and Boomerang (mainly remote bombs)
Why was he not on this list?
Links up B is called spin attack not hero spin. Sorry but as a Link main this mix up really annoys me lol. I agree with everything you said though
The underrated best answer
Yeah I came here expecting to see him on here and was surprised. You can use damn near his whole kit to edge guard.
Answer: Ivysaur
I D-air someone to find a better edge-guarder
Literally one move that edge guards and he somehow still beats out just about all the cast.
@@Endershock1678 sound F-air to me and as a pokemon trainer main I can B-air the burden of having such a D-airing way to edge guard my opponents
Teono *slow clapping* ...well done
Me: Sees ganon in a edge guarding video
Also me: *sighs in Ridley*
Sad Rob noises
I am so sorry Meta Knight and Mewtwo mains
Rip mk
Not remembered sense brawl
Thank you for you words in this time of grief 😂
not to mention plant unless plant counts as ledge trapping rather the ledge guarding
The Ultimate Ledge trapping definitely isn’t a part of this
It’s ok I’m a mewtwo main
IMO, pikachus ability to cover low and high at the same time is too good to not make him the best edgeguarder.
It's hard to watch this video without having Lucas and Ness as one of the best edge gaurders in the game. Imo I think Lucas is the best edge gaurders in the game because unlike everyone else, Lucas doesn't need to go off stage and kill people but others do. Lucas whole Special moves can edge guard everyone in the game. Also up smash and down smash easily 2 frame anyone in the game. Everyone has an opinion but imo, Lucas is the best edge gaurder in the game
LDD Nas don't forget the two spikes he has if he does want to go offstage
Link?! Hello?!
Link's edge guards are clean af
Not even an honorable mention
I'm tight
Rob, Lucas, Meta Knight, Mewtwo, Piranha Plant could have been honorable mentions.
Pit
Pit
You literally put Piranha Plant in the thumbnail yet you didn't talk about them smh
Answer: Mii Gunner Grenade Launch neutral B spam on ledge
Yes and missile lauch and bomb drop
Sonic definitely should be on the list. His moves are great to catch recoveries. Fair,bair, maybe dair, spring, HA, and spindash. His recovery allows him to go for deep edgeguards and can air dodge. He can even two frame with that stupid fsmash that kills early cuz he exists
Same if inkling on the list sonic and megaman should be top.
All inkling edgeguarding tools is just fair and bair
Inkling recovery is if sonic megaman recovery could go horizontal but they got directional edgeguards so inklings is just overated
True.
Don't forget spinshot,with it,up air and air dodge,sonic can recover from almost anything.
The thing is, optimally sonic is just running away so edguarding is counterintuitive. I wish they reworked sonic
what were they smoking while making this list
Best edgeguarder in the game is definitely Game & Watch.
My favorite off-stage menace is Jigglypuff
Mk. No one ever talks about mk:/
Agreed
Edge guarding and arials are Meta Knights whole thing in ultimate I'm sitting here like.... how isn't he in this vid. I get he isn't a popular character but damn. My main gets no love
Legit everyone in these comments are talking about him.
I use Meta Knight. I think he's pretty okay at edge guarding I think :)
Yeah. Meta Knight is really good at edge guarding because of his fast aerials, the tornado and his busted recovery.
@@Migota_ Yeah all of his arials (especially his back air and nair) is very good for knocking people far off the stage and with all of his jumps he can just chill off the map for so long.
Numbingbird Better than OK, b-air and f-air are amazing at hitting opponents fast off-stage, you can fast-fall nair to lead into those aerials, and tornado at ledge is honestly just amazing. Not to mention multiple jumps and 4 ways to recover.
Agreed
He's an Edge guardingo menace. That's why i Main him
Nah nah nah nah, pika is the best. Also, big link should be on the list. His nair and bomb are monsters offstage
I KNOW!
I agree so much
Also don't forget MK and Mewtwo
Also up b
@Roberto S�nchez Zuriaga u right my dude he has a top 3 ledgetrapping but maybe not a top 10 ledgeguarding. It's easy to dodge the bomb if you're in the air if you have a good recovery.
its NOT easy to dodge a bomb when you're on ledge and the bomb is right next to you
@@azophi it's not easy to dodge a bomb plus nair or a early detonation. Nair bombs arrow and boomerang are all key in Link's edge guarding to force low recoverys. Nair, bomb and arrow are used the most.
Link: has LITERALLY a top 3 edge guard because of remote bomb (and also nair, boomerang, dair)
ProGuides: nah I don't care
He forgot ness,lucas and Mario
Azophi bomb and nair are better for ledge trapping, down air is a pretty bad move off stage, and boomerang doesn’t really do a lot to stop recoveries
Maybe they should make a second top ten list to cover the others since there are clearly more than just ten good edge guarders.
@@keylarous467 oh and about Mario, I don't get the point of that, I mean, he doesn't have anything that great to go offstage, his fair is predictable and super slow
Also up b
They didn’t even mention villagers Forward smash
Didn't even mention Zelda as a character
Andres Perez ?
I think ness or Lucas particularly Lucas because his pk thunder can literally carry someone off stage and pk freeze speaks for itself
Kevin Jackson in some matchups its a free edgeguard and you cant avoid it.
wanna go high against lucas ? pk fire fair and freeze
wanna stay at the ledge? down angled dtilt or dsmash. Lucas shines at the ledge.
the freeze travel time is slow tho
Danks it’s a bait option more than kill option
@@scratch9349 the chances of it hitting is really low so your just open to any attack
Lucas also has PK freeze which is totally broken
i was specting link on the first place, he can edgeguard with out even geting off the stage, he can also reverse edgeguard with his up B, can also edgeguard with any aerial, nair being the best for comming out too quickly, down air can spike, Fair can kill at low percentage out stage, and Bair can connect with Up B, the bomb can cover almost any angle, arrow can travel very far away and kill near to the blast zone, boomerang can cover certain angles and take away jumps.... why is no Link in this video???
Because there's people foolish enough to say "Nair and bomb are better for ledge trapping" because it's "safer" which is by default. If you don't use nair when edge guarding with link you'll rarely close out stocks and fail a lot.
Proguides: no character can stay in the air forever
Me playing tiny special smash spamming Rob dair: hold my beer
I can't take this guided seriously because they missed the best Smash recoverer , PACMAN , , like WTF what kinda guide misses a a character that can basically go to the and of every stage , so far out the stage , even when the screen no longer shows were you are ( To end of time out the stage lol ) , and PACMAN can still recover , again , I can't take this guide serious if they missed that lol
He is easily edge guarded though if he fails so he takes a big risk going off stage. His trampoline is easily gimped
@@bluckq but his side B has super armor and is incredibly hard to challenge. Plus he has a ton of ways to stall in the air and mix up his recovery. He can recover super high and be relatively safe due to being able to both drop the Hydrant and z drop Fruit, on top of having a nigh incontestable side b should he choose to recover low or laterally. A good Pac-Man is nearly impossible to edgeguard.
Edgeguarding, not recovery. I dunno how you missed that. Pacman is definitely solid at edgeguarding as well though.
Pac can recover, but the moves he uses to edgeguard are harder to land and much less reliable than other characters
@@DoritoTime not really. He has a ton of really geat ledge trapping setups with Hydrant, Fruit and Trampoline that leave opponents with basically nowhere to go if executed right.
Falco????
There are so many good edge guarders in this game. You missed ones like MK, Mewtwo, Falco, Piranha Plant (more of a ledge trapper tbh but still), Mega Man and more.
Proguides missed them. Not *him*
I rly don't think Mewtwo, Falco and Plant are better Edgeguarders than the ones shown in the vid.
I agree for Megaman tho. He def should be in the top.
Pit is definitely underrated in edgeguarding, when I play as him I almost never have to worry about how deep I am going and most of my edgeguarding attempts work out for me in some way
Yeah Pit has been a really good character for learning edgeguarding for me, the multiple jumps and great up b make it much easier to work offstage without fear of messing up the recovery afterwards
I main Dark Pit in Ultimate, Lets see,
All air attacks besides up-air kills with decent range and fairly fast startup and end lag, a very good recovery and multiple jumps, and while Light Arrows are good for hitting others offstage while you stay onstage, Dark Arrows give more knockback and can be used offstage, and aimed up at recovering characters.
Yea the pits are so good at edge guarding
I think Falco is pretty good at edge guarding. His insane jump height and good horizontal recovery means he can go pretty far, and the multi hits on both his fair and nair make them hard to avoid.
Yeah but after double jump he screwed his up doesn't travel far like foxes up special
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the trick is to laser them offstage so they’re forced to go low
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You forgot about BOTW Link. He has some strong edge guarding tools that can such as his Nair, remote Bomb and reverse Aerial UpB are both unique and extremely strong for him
I know!
And don't forget about Boomerang which can cover a huge amount of area, and fair, which kills SUPER early off stage
@@azophi And Arrows for gimping and sniping
Link is definitely a monster at edge guarding
After seeing what ESAM can do with Pikachu, I think he's the best. Regi hasn't shown anything close to pikachu edgeguarding on the top level. Why wasn't Mewtwo on this list? Mewtwo is Jigglypuff and Palutena in one.
Lucas down smash, kills early and easily can 2 frame an opponent trying to recover to ledge
Ness with PK Thunder and those damn yo-yos that hang off the ledge
Proguides: Nah
Lucas is good w pk fire and thunder while also having a long dair. Down smash is more of a ledge trap than a edge guard but still as a lucas main I'm sad he ain't on here
Me : Cries in lucas
@@adriann6633 not only is his dair long, it's amazing at gimping recoveries.
maybe include lucas. he is in my opinion underrated. and with PK Freeze, thunder, fire he can edge guard really good
Are we gonna not talk about Meta Knight? He has great frame data, can stay in the air for a long time, and all of his specials are good for recovery, especially because of the hit boxes on each move
I'm surprised Lucas wasn't mentioned
You should make a video on the best ledge trappers next.
Meta knight? It’s the only thing he can do!
He has the same problem Kirby has imo, being really slow and heaving only one great edge guarding tool
Verp 17
MK has like 5 edge guarding tools, what do you mean?
The fact that you didn't even mention Bayonetta means how underrated she is now.
Ikr. She's one of the few characters that could fight in the air indefenitely under the right circumstances.
Yeah, to this day I still think Bayonetta is one of the best edge guarders in the game
ProGuides: makes a video about good edge guarders
Esam: PIKACHU BUSTED
Ohhhhh this is a video on edge guarding. I thought we were gonna talk about edgy characters.
How could you pick MR. GNW over Pikachu? and where is Bayonetta and Meta Knight?
sheik is still the best edgeguarder, have people forgot when void edgeguarded the shit out of salem's bayo at smash and splash? that stuff didn't get nerfed my dudes
I literally forgot she existed until I read this
I totally agree she’s still schnasty offstage
What does she have lol, needles? And then?
@@verp177
• bouncing fish for high recoveries
• if it misses just recover with up b and you might score an easy kill
• nair sends at a stupid angle, i've gimped people at like 12%, super effective against characters like mario, olimar, damn the lingering hitbox even destroys palu
• bair is strong, has a big hitbox, often combos into bouncing fish, and lingers too
• wall jumps & bouncing fish against the wall make her movement incredible and create a lot of mixups
• it's never a problem to get back to the stage if things don't go as planned
i looooove her
@@aisu_j5 I really like her too, but I think bouncing fish isn't that precise L, and if u miss it you can get easily punished for that, then Bair has a quite small hit box and low knock back, Nair is just a better version of Bair but still her suor spot sucks
Ness/ Lucas have PK Thunder
PAC-MAN can do so much and recover just fine
Other good edgeguarders imo:
Wolf because of fair and bair
Link's nair is safe as well a remote bombs
Dr. Mario's tornado is really scary offstage and he also has a solid back air
Mario's back air and fair are useful
Falco's down air and fair are safe and since Falco has a high jump, he has no problem returning to the stage
Ridley and Dedede have multiple jumps so they are the best heavyweight edgeguarders
Toon Link has a consistent edgeuarding with fair and nair to gimp
Roy's noodle hits of his sword hilariously gimp as well
Chrom, just like Lucina, has consistent edgeguarding
Cloud has nair, forward air, back air, neutral B and limit
Captain Falcon has the knee and stomp
Isabelle and Villager have the slingshot fair and bair
R.O.B. has arm rotor and fast aerials
Villager - sling shot, rocket, tree, Lloyd rocket, pocket, and bowling ball plus decent aerials and amazing recovery
I'd agree with this list but Cloud isn't the same as he was in Smash 4 my dhde
most of this list is good however cloud and wolf cant generally make it back which is a hige problem if you wanna edgeguard especially with a laggy move like bair on wolf
Dedede makes edge guarding is not good, his aerials are ridiculously slow, and gordo can just be hit back
R.O.B also has his gyro to cover normal get ups and an extremely threatening dair with a spike hitbox the size of Jupiter to cover jumping. I honestly think he, Snake, and Pac-Man should be tied for first place on this list.
WHAT ABOUT LUCAS
UP-B, SIDE-B, NEUTRAL-B, DOWN-SMASH, DAIR, BAIR, FAIR
Where is my boi Little Mac!? His edge guarding is top tier this is why he needs a nerf!
As in edgeguarding himself
How to do - jump offstage
I think you meant tier. Lol
Gabe Gustin I’m happy I’m not the only one who knows this!
A bit surprised that Lucas wasnt on the list.
So you are seriously telling me you put ganondorf here, but no bayo??!?!?
Hello?
Bayo can’t barely kill with her edguardeing , sometimes she even save her opponent on accident
@@satiii4248 how?
@@ahmadkazan7994 yo I don’t even know what I wrote I must’ve been high or sumn lmao
Sorry, but I can’t take an edge guarding list seriously in which Pac-Man and King Dedede aren’t even present, but Ganondorf and Lucina are. Don’t get me wrong, Ganon and Luc definitely aren’t bad edgeguarders, but above Pac and DDD? No way
Roberto S�nchez Zuriaga Dedede’s aerials being slow is true, but his ledge traps are incredible with the Gordos. If you’re ever offstage and a good Dedede is onstage you’re pretty much dead, because gordos can completely gimp characters without Dedede even having to go offstage, similar to Snake’s Nikita, and his dsmash and dtilt are both pretty good two-framers. Dsmash also covers nearly all recoveries from the ledge, and the Gordo can be stuck to the side of the stage to completely deny certain characters. If all of this fails (which it rarely does), he still has his fast nair, large fair, powerful and decently fast bair, and spiking dair. Dedede’s biggest strength is ledgetrapping and edgeguarding
“Which character is the BEST at ledge guarding?”
Luma multijab:
Ridley's nair offstage?
What is with Ness. He has PK Thunder, His Fair, His Side B To Spike Combo and Neutral B has a big Range
5ma5hin Guy he’s easy to reverse edgeguard due to his lackluster recovery, and he’s screwed once he uses his double jump.
Umm. Did you forget down smash exists?
@@jacobmohr82 thats attacting from the ledge if the video was about that then they would include wolf and bowser down smash and other character's that can 2 frame ledges
I’m was starting to doubt pro guides but when they mentioned Ganon and NOT Mateknight.
Well...😂
Piranha plant is an amazing edge guarder
The gardeners edge guarder!
Na his aireals have too much endlag to reliably take out characters with faster recovery
*Pike Ball
Wait wait wait where the hell are Simon and Richter? They easily have one of the best edge guarding and edge trapping tools in the game with their forward special, neutral special, and down special they can kill someone offstage easily without even leaving the ground, and to top it all off their ariels are great, look at fare and bare, those have amazing range and as long as you don’t go to far off (which you don’t even need to) you can usually get back on stage easily
they’re not so good at edge guarding.. they’re better at ledge trapping with all of their projectiles, but actual edge guarding they are pretty bad.
Bryson Ellalasingham yeahhhh you’re right, I wrote this when I didn’t really know the difference between edge guarding and ledge trapping 😂🤦♂️
Bayonetta.....
I feel like dedede is also pretty notable because of his numerous ledge traps centered around gordo
7:11 says under 10% dramatically
luigi : laughs in down taunt
Rob is also fantastic at edgeguarding too
4:42 I would have said "Joker is looking cool!"
Okay imma stop
before watching the vid, falco
Edit: WHY IS FALCO NOT IN THIS VIDEO, HE HAS SOME OF THE BEST EDGE GAURDING WITH HIS EXTREMELY LONG HITBOX WITH FORWARD AIR AND BIG SPIKE HITBOX WITH DOWN AIR, IM ACTUALLY PISSED
Umm, you’ve forgot to mention bowser jr, who has SO much edge guard options:
Up B bomb, Up B Hammer, Mechakoopa drop, Mechakoopa throw, clowncart, BackAir, FowardAir, DownAir to push opponents down, cannonball, that falls down after some time. And also Jr has a really good recovery with a 3rd clowncar jump. Bruh, one of the best EdgeGuarding machines not mentioned here. I’m not even talking about the fact, that airials have a MASSIVE long lasting and safe hitbox. Also you can combine all these things together.
BRUH MOMENTUM! The most underrated character IMHO.
He gets gimped easily
What do you mean by “Gimped”
_PRoM_ 2 if you hit him after he uses up b he just dies
Umm... actually no. If you press shield, the clowncart returns. It doesn’t always work, but in 90% of cases it does and I can return to stage successfully. Also bowser jr has a third jump with a clowncart, so you can travel under the stage easily and avoid Ness or Lucas down smash
And you can return without using up b
Ok, before I watch, I'm going to guess Mr Game and Watch
I might be biased because I main him, but really
-Dash attack is a long lasting, somewhat powerful, universal 2-frame move
-fair is virtually no risk, has medium damage and _fair_ kill power (yeah puns)
-Bair can both be a tricky to tech stage spike, or be used as a traditional edgeguard and is pretty strong
-he can go super deep with up-b being able to come back from basically anywhere
-dair is actually safe to use and can spike or, again, stage spike. And because you wouldn't expect to see a move like dair offstage and it's so fast, you're bound to surprise someone so that they can't tech in time, and at high percents it might even become untechable.
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Ya’ll are sleeping on rosa
Im surprised Link and Falco weren't mentioned considering bomb has almost the same aspects as nikita and Falco's just insanely good in the air.
Bomb is no where near as good as Nikita for edgeguarding
Agree with Falco
Not watching this because Falco isnt mentioned, yeesh.
No Lucas? Pk Fire , Pk freeze , Pk thunder , PSI magnet (situational) , down air , back air , neutral air (situational) , Z air
Honorable mention:
*Sonic‘s Spring*
Spring isn't nearly as good as it was in Smash 4, but Sonic himself can go quite deep...
@@DoritoTime how?Spinshot+spring+air dodge=the ability to recover from any point off stage.And spring can edge guard.
@@ahmadkazan7994 The knockback of spring in Ultimate is less than it was in Smash 4, meaning it has to be at a higher percent to successfully gimp someone with spring alone
@@DoritoTime Yeah but it can still edge guard.
Bayonetta is one of the best, if not the best edge guarder in the game due to her ABKs which has lots of active frames, is a moving hit box which makes it more difficult to punish, a large hit box, and can turn into a combo which confirms a kill even if you’re mediocre with bayonetta, this even turnsa matchup in her favor. (Ness)
Link because he can drop his bomb
I KNOW. WHERE'S LINK.
Also besides down B link has a super long lasting nair, a fair that kills early for people who recover high, a spammable back air, and an up b that covers a ton of distance and can also serve the same purpose as shulk.
Z-dropped remote bomb is amazing and can counter so many other characters...
Link's amazing edgeguarding is one of the ONLY advantages he can use over characters like Palu. He can even edgeguard a freaking teleport my dude
Link is a ledge trapper, his only edge guarding tool is his bomb, which can be easily avoided if you have a great recovery
@@verp177 and his nair
and reversed up b can kill at ledge pretty early
and fair is good
but okay true... link doesn't really have a super great strategy against palu. He's top 3 at ledgetrapping but not SUPER great at ledgeguarding
Palutena has all that off stage and can still be threatening from stage with Neutral B and Side B
But her recovery is adverage
She's much better at ledge trapping and if she goes off stage and messes up she can be easily gimped with a lingering hit box e.g. meta knight nair/tornado.
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How does WiiFit edgeguard tho? She has easy to avoid snipes and if she has deep breathing her fair kills early but isn't that pretty much it?
The B A L L O O N
No Lucas?!?
PK Thunder: Same arguments as Nikita, less damage, but can multi-hit a-la Fairplane, steal jumps, or stage spike
PK Freeze..... Esp now that it doesn't initiate special fall offstage
PK Fire: projects you back towards the stage and has RIDICULOUS knockback
Fair: Fast, disjoint, high knockback
Dair: Fast, mobile, first 3 can gymp, spike hitbox on 4th
PSI Magnet: Stall allows more time to cover options & set up frametraps, and the hitbox on releasing it can kill offstage
Bair: Strong meteor
Nair: Palu-Lite™
Tether to switch up getting back, coupled with tether cancels and getting a second PK Thunder after hitting yourself into the stage
Floaty, High aeiral mobility, & about twice the recover-ability of Ness
Dair OP btw
I really need to incorporate it more into my onstage game. 3&4 are pretty reliable links to various attacks for a LONG time
Where’s meta knight?
Lost in the shadow of shiny new characters that people would rather play with less effort involved to win tournaments, sadly :/
@@14fluffies Uh.... *go back to brawl*
I wouldn't put Ganondorf as a great edgeguarding character, he lacks recovery options.
Mewtwo: is the best edgeguarder
Mewtwo: am I a joke to you
Lmao he defenitely isn't, pika is 1000 times better
@@verp177 he's still very good at doing so nevertheless.
Lmao stupid electric rat
Thanks @Verp 17 very cool and interesting
Also who asked
Either pika or link, pika is so fast with a great recover and thunder, link has great projectiles and the bomb has a massive hit box and his up b can kill at 80 at the ledge, just drop down and up b back on stage while the opponent is there and they dead, that being said they made it past the bomb, boomerangs and nair
Lucas: Am I a joke to you?
*Possibly long comment ahead*
I mean yes k.rool doesn’t have the ability to Nair with super armour and can’t recover vertically very well. And of course he can’t just use blunderbuss to condition the opponents recovery and follow up with an easy edgeguard. Dair doesn’t 2 frame nor does dtilt and of course (as I mentioned earlier) if you see your opponent jump after the blunderbuss kannon and are close enough to stage you can fair them for free (depending on their recovery) and krown can’t stuff out a jump setting up for and easy edgeguard with no worry of recovering for K.Rool. Don’t be silly he can’t edgeguard and yes I have some salt before I’m asked.
As A joker Main I am a really big proponent of edge guarding. Arsene Bair is really good in general but off stage it is scary as hell. Also down gun against poor vertical recovery is another great option
What about pit arrows are annoying af he can probably 2 frame with down smash, most of his aerials edge guard as well guardian oribtars can even push some recoveries enough to gimp them
Although he is a bit slow, King K. Rool is solid and overall underrated in terms of edge guarding. His Nair practically has super armor because of his belly, and it can trade with other recoveries with hitboxes so the move is little punishing. His Nair also holds out for a long time (about the same time as Mr Game and Watch’s back air). There are other moves that K. Rool has that is also solid, like his down and back air, but they are less practical in terms of edge guarding, outside of spikes of course.
I think Megaman is easily one of the best edge guarders. His wide array of projectiles plus his fair, dair, and bair make him a deadly foe when trying to get back on stage
How the hell is META KNIGHT not mentioned??? Edge guarding is literally his middle name!
Inklings recovery is even better with side b, because it gives inkling an extra jump
And pikachu
Ridleys only purpose is to push u off stage fly back up and repeat
So we gonna just forget mk exist