Sabre & Dagger vs Longsword Sparring - Jordan v Nick
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- A fun anachronistic match up, pitching 18th century sword/sabre and dagger vs 16th century longsword, though swords of a similar nature to the sabre here were used in that time and so it;s not much of a reach. Jordan (black) has a Black fencer steel generation 1796 infantry sabre with custom dagger by Malleus, whilst Nick has a Black Fencer steel generation standard longsword.
Saber and dagger is such an aesthetic combo.
I do love mismatched weapon sparring! I think I'd be aching for a rapier if I were in the sabreur's place however. The extra mass, reach & hand protection would be awfully nice...
We've done a lof or rapier vs longsword and no doubt it is very formidable, especially when paired with a dagger, but the sabre comes with it's own strengths. It is a lot more nimble at the medium distances with incredibly fast rotational cuts. At these moments where the rapier can be bound up the sabre comes whirling around for another cut.
Love the sabre, the style is just so good. Long sword should probably just adopt a one handed thrust every now and then to use that reach advantage
This was super-interesting to watch!
1:55 nice spark you got here
Stupid question, likely, but why use the dagger if you're not leading with it?
Dagger has massive weaknesses againat more cutty swords. It can get beaten through and the hand and arm are quite vulnerable. It's one reason why bucklers are so much better than dagger in very cut based fencing.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing right on, thanks for the response.
Unhappy ending?
Yep, snapped one side of the quillon from the dagger, though it can be welded back on, always frustrating though
I have an old saber wall hanger I have been playing with and I want to pair it with a dagger. The saber fighter took a lot more hits. I know the long sword has the reach and weight advantage. Did the saber fighter being a lefty give him a disadvantage? And are both of your skill levels relatively on par with each other? I’m decent with a spear so I know reach advantage gives a lot of advantage to the welder of the longer weapon. Just wonder how effective saber and dagger is and is it worth the time investment.
This is absolutely awesome! How many hits did the dagger get before the guard snapped? Was it a new or used one?
Was saber and dagger a popular combination? I know, that Mair has a depiction of a dussack and a off hand dagger used together and the Messer and rondel dagger combination from Albrecht Dürrer. Have'nt tried any of it yet though.
Not at all no. In the Welsh AHF club we have just started a block on 18th century sword and dagger which was a rare and only mentioned in a handful of texts, hence they were already in Jordan's hands and so we thought we would go on with that. Re dagger as an offhand weapon was almost always a rarity in European culture except for the height of the rapier. Angelo in his smallsword work, which is one of the sources we are currently working with for this block, says that dagger offhand was never seen in England or France in his time except in exhibition, but that it was common in some parts of Italy still.
That's a very nice sabre. Did you get it directly from Blackfencer or through a distributor? I've been trying to get my hands on one for a while, but the US distributor hasn't had any of these steel sabres at all.
We've always bought them direct and helped with the development of this model and several others, they are really excellent.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing interesting. How does the process of shipping international go? I haven't bought any swords directly from Blackfencer yet and I'm unsure of what I'll need to do in terms of getting it shipped to the US. Unless they handle it, but from what I've seen online, people said you have to order through a distributor. Unsure though
We just order direct on their website and it all works out fine. If in doubt send them an email and check
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Alright thank you
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US customers can’t order direct from Blackfencer, SoCal swords is the only way you can get their stuff here in the US.
That exchange that ended 2:07 in👍🏼👍🏼
I didn’t realize there were swords similar to sabers in use in the 16th century! That’s cool though.
Yep, especially similar to these kinds of shorter sabres we use for Napoleonic era training. All sorts of Dussacks, tessacks, falchions, stortas etc. We even put one of my (Nick) antique British 1803 sabres beside an original late 16thc Dussack owned by Michael, the other club instructor, the blades were near identical in size and mass. Even a number of 15th century English falchions are actually very similar. It's also the era when sabres started to come in to the rest of Europe via the Eastern elements.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing That's really cool! I hadn't realized falchions were in use so long, or heard of the other ones, but I'll have to look into those!
Nice content as always gents! Is that Sigi King at work? How do find it? Chrz🙌
Thanks. No, this is a Black Fencer steel gen standard. Mike did recently have a King, they are nice swords, though absolutely massive, and that was only the standard size.
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing thanks for the response 🙌
Is the dude in black a lefty
Yep
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