Once Saved, Always Saved? What Does the Bible Teach About This?
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- What does the Bible teach about the eternal security of believers? Can we believe and then fall away? Using verses from Hebrews 6 and 10, Luke 8, Galatians 5, Ephesians 5, 1 John 1, John 10, and Romans 8, Chad Bird explores this important question from a Law and Gospel perspective.
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Perfect. A few years ago i was seeking the truth. I was asking my fellow Christians these questions and the only response i got was "just the fact that you are asking means you're saved". I thought that was a horrible answer. I kept seeking and then one day when i was listening to a sermon, God convicted my heart, opened my eyes and ears to hear the truth, and I was born again. I'm so glad I kept seeking. I rest in the perfect work of Jesus Christ and not my own works. My life changed forever. Thank you, Jesus.
Keep the moral 10
I always have found it crazy that our brothers and sisters will get crazy over this topic. Paul told us not to argue, but some people just must be right! When non-Christians see and hear this, they run the other way.
Ok Reality is once saved always saved is actually a joke by atheist! Reality is even John the Baptist shouted to his followers that even though he walked in Christ he sinned daily and repented every day, so don't bet your eternity your salvation on the property wolfpack or the howling of others pretending to know what they are taking about or leaders who see themselves as as righteous before God
really?? you believe in Christ's perfect work, and that is why you rest? don't you no longer fight against sin? - why are you contradicting Scripture, which says that you will be judged according to your WORKS? because your very very strong conviction cannot revoke the clear teaching of God's word...
@@silveriorebelo2920 how many demons have u cast out or allowed God to use u to lay hands on the sick? That’s works. The law is the commandments
Hebrews 10:26,27 hit me like a ton of bricks the other day, which you used in this video. I do struggle with a sin I find habitual, and every time I do succumb to it , I feel like I have run my "account" empty with God's grace. Thank you, Chad, for this excellent video that has helped me!
......... out of context....
If you’re in continuous sin , you’ll not inherit eternal life. Don’t be deceived, the sexually immoral will not inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus said, Go and sin no more. I suggest you do just that!
@@dh1335Liars also won't according to Revelation 21:8.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 21 : 8
Have you lied once in your life? That makes you a liar, and someone who will have their part on the lake of fire.
The only way for you to escape Hell is by believing only on the Lord Jesus, not on your own works, for salvation.
If you want to go to Heaven, watch How to go to Heaven by Steven Anderson on RUclips for a clear presentation of the gospel.
Phillipians 2:12
"Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling."
Vs 12 and 13 of Philippians 2 are one sentence and are speaking to saved individuals, i.e. for it is God who is at work in you...vs 13
Here the "work out your own salvation" refers to letting one's salvation work in making them whole so it is apparent to others.
This is so typical of not finishing the thought because the next verse is saying for For it is God who is working in you to do and to will of his purpose.
@savedwretch8711 Context is so important, great point. It's a major key to biblical interpretation. The oldest Greek NT writings and Hebrew OT had no punctuation. It was all added by translators at their discretion later.
@garyp.9073
…and Philippians 2: 9-11 give the context for 12 & 13.
@christianuniversalist Bingo, the Wherefore or So then, in verse 12 ties it together and refers to believers.
stray to far and chastisement is so rough ! but GOD chastise those he LOVES ! (he knows how rescue you ).
Dear brother, it's been a while since I commented. So great to hear God's wisdom through you. Law and gospel. So much life and wisdom contained there. Thank you as always and God's peace to you.
Thank you for the clear and faithful teaching. Rightly dividing Law and Gospel. Godspeed and God's peace be with you.
This is a very powerful teaching of teaching on salvation .
Great clear teaching, if you dont understand, listen again and again till you do
Amen brother Bird! You hit on so many important points and supported them all with Scripture. Thank you for your clarity and encouragement on this issue. We can approach the throne of grace with confidence, and on the flip side, we must always self-reflect with sober judgment (Rom. 12:3). In this, we realize that we do not *identify* merely as sinners, but rather as God's adopted children who have been (and are still being) saved by His grace. That doesn't mean we do not sin, but rather that through faith and repentance, the blood of Jesus is continually being applied to us through His Spirit working within us. Sin no longer has reign over us unless we willingly reject Him and fall away.
The Hebrews 6 passage, as I read it, perfectly supports what you're talking about. It's a hypothetical, illustrating what the author was talking about regarding not laying again the foundation of repentance, of faith, or baptism, etc. He's talking to people who think they can yo-yo into and out of grace based on their behavior. And he's saying "No, it doesn't work like that. If you could fall away, there would be no coming back, because you that would mean Christ would need to die again, which is impossible." Implication being that someone truly saved cannot lose that salvation. The author of Hebrews is saying quit worrying about that, and move on into discipleship.
I am secure no matter what. Grace has taught me obedience just like God said.
Presumption is dangerous ground.
Hope your feeling of security is right. If not ☠️, forever…
@@555chanso if no can snatch you out of his hands and it’s “eternal life” promised by Christ (John 6:47), note the verse is present tense, and possession of life that never ends. And if he remembers your sin no more ..🤔How would anyone worry about security in Christ?
@@johnf.6942 notice that the original poster m Notiones “no matter what…”. If one learns God’s way, starts living it, becomes saved, but then starts living a purposely sinful life, are they still saved?
@@555chan So you just dismiss grammar? Let’s try this again verse 36 John speaking (John 3:36) and (John 6:47) Jesus is speaking, both are written in present tense with the possession of life that never ends. So what would you have if you take Jesus at his word ? A. Eternal life that never ends. or B. A temporary life that really depends on your abilities to maintain it?
There are dozens of videos on this subject. This one is very well done and concise. Struggling with assurance of salvation and loss of salvation is a real thing that many Christians struggle with. I am glad sir that I found this channel
consider Mathew 10:33 every time every moment of the day you dont include Christ in every thought everything you say and do you are denying him! the fruit of a real believer is found in Luke 6:22-23 the fruit of the property wolfpack copeland/osteen/moore/meyers/jakes/hin/furtick/and the rest are clearly howl and teach the oppisite that a simple prayer not found in scriptures secures a persons salvation when it means nothing!
@@DC-gp3vn So what you are saying is you don't believe what Jesus said?
Very clear, eloquent, gracious answer to this question. We have enough to worry about without being anxious about losing our salvation. Praise God that nothing can snatch us away and that we can be forgiven for wandering.
We have to know that when we are saved we do not want to wander. We will want to live according to how God wants us to live which is by His commands. We have to repent of our sins if we do wander because His desires are what are on our hearts and in our minds.
@@lindsaymoore3534 Being saved does not make us immune to temptation, to incorrect discernment, to incorrect interpretation and to just plain screwing up. Wandering away is part of being human.
Like Dr. Hesier puts it. Those who stay in the faith and obey the gospel through belief will forever be saved.
Good point. What does obeying the Gospel consist of?
@@clockchaser Belief, faith and loyalty to that belief and faith. Believing in Jesus and what he has done for us.
@@scottyhamilton3999 According to Merriam-Webster, belief is “a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing.” Belief is a state of mind and does not motivate us to act. It can change how we view life or approach certain situations, but faith determines how we act when it gets down to the wire. So faith would include loyalty because it determines how we act (that is what loyalty does as well). So it's safe to say believe and have faith are all that's required for staying in the faith.
Back the Heiser's quote... staying in the faith is the same as obeying the Gospel through faith. So staying in the faith will cause someone to be forever saved. No disrespect to the Dr. but that is not a revelational statement.
@@clockchaser I may have misunderstood his statement. No disrespect either, but I’m certain he knew more than the both of us.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 Not quite certain that’s how that works exactly.
That no man can snatch us out if Gods hand does not mean that we ourselves cannot deny Christ and walk away.
Exactly, people wish to believe what makes them feel good, despite Gods word. We have free will.
Yes
No man includes you
Fact salvation is forever ever and ever. Gods forgiveness is forever. He still loves us even when we do something wrong.😊
Very well put and exactly my thoughts on this issue. There is purposeful tension on each end of the spectrum to keep us on the right path, the straight and narrow, if you will.
Romans 8:1 my sainted father's favorite verse!
I can see where some of these scriptures can be taken out of context, but if I can mess my salvation up, then Christs sacrifice wasn't enough to save us from sin and satisfy God's wrath of sending us all to hell. Jesus would have to continuously die repeatedly over and over again in an endless time loop and we all would be headed to a devil's hell. None of us are good enough to be saved but through grace by faith we are made worthy because of him. I couldn't save myself and had to rely on him to save me therefore I can't undo what he has already done. It's not a free pass to live however we want and that is a stigma that fallen from Grace believers say that people that believe in eternal security believe and that's false.
Two more points-Paul was writing to the Galatians because of their observance of the law. This was something that Christs sacrifice had fulfilled. When he says ye have fallen from Grace he is not talking about salvation. He is saying that their observance of the law is making the grace way and Christs sacrifice of no effect. (Gal 5:3-4). Romans 8 shuts down fallen from grace doctrine. We are joint-heirs with christ. We get eternal life through Christ and his saving power. It is the free gift of salvation. An inheritance is a free gift. God doesn't take that away. The parable of the seed among the rocks is taken out of context. I can believe something but everyone forgets about faith. Believing in something and having faith are two different things. I have always believed in God but never had enough faith to serve him till I surrendered to him and let him save me.
Lastly, 1 Cor 5:5 shouldn't be ignored.....
Its funny how we say Christ's death wasn't enough if I have the choice to reject it. Meanwhile, we think it's fine that God chose the vast majority to be reprobate, where Christ's death wasn't enough to reach them...
Salvation is a rescue, not a resuscitation. We are all floating in the water, and God throws us an inner tube. Those who grab hold will be saved. Those who say, no, I am pleased in sin, will not be saved.
Now those being saved of course can let go of the safety ring. They can say never mind I'd rather live for this life, and not the next.
We are free moral agents, and God will never force Himself on anyone that doesn't have a desire for Him. There is a nasty word for that forced love, and we can never ascribe that to a Holy God.
Choose you this day whom you will serve. Inherent in that command is the ability to change your mind tomorrow.
The one who endures to the end will be saved. God bless.
To your one point, the Bible also specifically says you cannot recrucify Jesus again and again once you fall away. So you are right that it would mean He would need to be crucified 'continuously'. But God specifically says it is impossible for then to be restored "because they themselves are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to open shame." Instead, they are lost, having once known salvation and then turning away to their flesh again.
@@RezG_777 So Heb 6 is very often used to try to prove fallen from Grace doctrine but is taken far out of context. It actually says the opposite. We need to remember Paul begins this scripture by reminding the Hebrews to not leave the principals and doctrines of christ. Here we have folks that were new converts and we have folks that were apostates/religious folks in their own beliefs. This is a very similar situation that Jesus was often presented with when going against the Pharisees and Saducees. The definition of an apostate is someone who rejects a religious or political belief. Those that were fallen away were the religious folks here that were never converted to begin with. Everyone who believes in fallen from grace ignores that Heb 6:4-6 says "[4] For it is IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6] if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. They are creating shame to the crucificxion of Jesus christ and his sacrifice by rejecting the principles of Jesus Christ and what his sacrifice was for. I can be enlightened or aware of many things but it doesn't mean that I believe it by faith. Paul said For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened talking about again, the religious apostates who won't deny themselves and take up the cross and follow Jesus.. Again, you either have it or you don't, but religion won't get you to heaven. You have to be saved by the grace of God. One last point I will make, we need to remember that if you are saved we are sinners saved by grace. Grace is undeserved favor. None of us are good enough to be saved and truthfully we deserve hell. But because of Gods longsuffering and mercy, and favor, he paved a way of escape from sin through his son's sacrifice. I couldn't save myself therefore I can't undo something he has already done or God is an imperfect God.
Amen
@@RezG_777you have missed the forest for the trees. God chooses to save you. You don’t choose to be saved.
Just recently became aware of your ministry, really enjoying it. Thank you Brother.
Great video. I heard an old Billy Graham sermon where he said something to the effect of; When you first take part in spirits of the flesh it feels good. It’s so tempting. And then it slowly hardens you to the whispers of the Holy Spirt.
This is a very good message. Thank you so much for having it and you don’t want to die and face the Lord and him say I never knew you that would be terrible.
Clear, balanced, logical and scriptural answer to this question. Thanks brother
He said "Salvation can't lose us, but we can reject it" But, if we have salvation and it can't lose us, how can one reject it after being saved since salvation can't lose us? They are mutually exclusive and an absurdity. Don't see how that is clear, balanced, logical and above all scriptural and certainly not helpful to clear up this issue in Christendom.
I always find your teachings refreshing and enlightening. God bless you. I still find it hard to believe that people will see all the warnings in the Bible and still think we are one and done. While God is sovereign in His ways and doings, I don’t believe He will hold us to himself when we outrightly reject Him. And the argument that ‘they went out of us because they were never of us’ being put forward by people who hold to this once saved always saved is just circular.
If I would depart from God, that would be my doing and not someone else plucking me out of His hand. I'm His sheep as long as I follow Him.
John 10, 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me,a is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”
@@janm2361 No one plucks their self out of God's hand. And no one can pluck you out of God's hand. That has nothing to do with you not being able to voluntarily depart from God.
Hebrews 3:12-14
[12]Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13]But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14]For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
@@bobbyadkins6983 sorry I’m new to commenting, being able too. I always felt I couldn’t run away from God even if I tried. I appreciate the scripture.
@@janm2361
Great point
If you depart from God, you were tempted away by Satan. Thus Satan would have plucked you out of His hand.
Thanks Chad. Great explanation of the texts that address this issue. We miss you in SA.!
Thanks, Willie! Miss you guys, too. COL is the best.
Kinda surprised with all his directness that he dodged the question "Can I lose my salvation?" That's a legitimate question with the definite answer, "no." If you have eternal life it cannot end or be lost. Reframing the question to whether salvation has me, doesn't change that. Neither does the different question, "Can I reject that salvation." He seems to say "yes" to the question "can i lose it" by pointing out that people reject it, but the classical answer to the rejection question is that they never had it (and rejected it), not that they had it for a little while and then rejected it. Dead faith that bears no fruit was never saving faith to begin with. I'm just surprised that he swung so close to that answer and missed it.
What does "once saved" mean? Either one is saved and has eternal life or they are in need of saving. Either you're credited as righteous by believing that Jesus became a curse for you, or you bear the curse for yourself. It's either or, grace as a gift for eternal life or else the wages of sin is death. So no, you cannot lose a credit God has gifted you by grace and promise. God never breaks his promises. That's the whole gist of Galatians. Those severed are those trusting not in Christ, but in the law, a very different kind of faith, and a different "gospel."
"Either one is saved and has eternal life or they are in need of saving."
Great phrasing there, indeed.
It seems the question really boils down to
" *Actually* saved, yes or no? "
Eternal life is not based on what you can do because our eternal security is a result of God keeping us not us maintaining our own salvation.
@@justinlopezmedia2313 correct this dude doesn't believe in the gospel he believes in himself it so sad he's being deceived and deceiving others you shall know false prophets by their fruits meaning what they profess to believe its funny the passages they use as proof texts that you can loose your salvation are the same ones that condem them
So in that case, everyone goes to heaven then right? We did nothing to earn salvation, but we have free will to reject the free grace of salvation that God has given by rejecting the Holy Spirit and living in sin.
@@JamesKonie NO not everyone the bible says few will find it because 95 percent of "Christians" and every other religion out there believes in some form of works salvation which is the broad road to destruction the FEW that find the narrow gate which is belief on JESUS CHRIST AND CHRIST ALONE apart from works of the law there are very few people in this world that actually believe in grace alone faith alone in Christ alone so no not everyone goes to heaven unfortunately people such as yourself make up the majority of the " Christians" in the world whom believe in one form or another of works for Salvation
@@garretdale1506 God is all-knowing; He knew everything from beginning to end even before creation. Yet, He gave us free will, and it was through this free will that humanity chose to reject Him, bringing sin into the world. The death of Jesus Christ brought redemption, extending God’s grace to us through faith in Him. Just as God never forced us to love and obey Him, He still doesn’t today. We continue to have the free will to accept or reject Him.
This is why the doctrine of “once saved, always saved” is misleading and dangerous-it can lead many to complacency and, ultimately, to hell. Although God knows who will or will not enter heaven, we do not have that knowledge. This is why it’s crucial for us to remain vigilant and spiritually prepared. While I prefer to discuss these points from a common sense perspective, I’m happy to provide scriptural references if you’re interested.
@JamesKonie what did Jesus say in John chapter 3, you need to be reborn to enter the kingdom of heaven so not everyone will be saved. But when you are saved God will seal you with the Holy Spirit and change your heart so that you won't want to sin and will begin to respect God's moral laws. But don't think it's a free ticket to sin because it is not and God will punish you. He knows everything about us and He knows exactly how to deal with us.
Amazing video! Thank you so much for this teaching. I can’t wait to share with others.
One interesting question is “how many sins do we have to commit to lose our salvation?” From the vantage point of the cross, all our sins yesterday, today and tomorrow were in the future so the answer would be “none!” But for those who keep on sinning because they believe they have a “heavenly insurance policy”, the question would be if they were ever converted in the first place.
Sin leads to death
The question could be ,do we loose our freewill to choose when we get saved ? If we do the we can have our cake and ear it to . Or will God let us walk away ?
Hi thank you for your channel. Love your videos and praise God for the wisdom he’s given to you.
In light of Ephesians 1:13-14 :When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession-to the praise of his glory …
if someone were to fall away and lose their salvation, wouldn’t that mean they were never in the spirit in the first place? Since salvation is complete?
Thank you!
The diabolical deceptions of faith alone, scripture alone, and once saved always saved, destroys holy fear.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and the knowledge of the holy is prudence. Proverbs 9:10
This IS my body.
So the Church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied Acts 9:31
Matthew 10:28 - "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of God who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Luke 12:5 - "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him."
Acts 10:34-35 - "Then Peter began to speak: 'I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.'"
Romans 3:18 - "There is no fear of God before their eyes.'"
Corinthians 5:11 - "Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade others. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience."
2 Corinthians 7:1 - "Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God."
Ephesians 5:21 - "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ."
Philippians 2:12-13 - "Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose."
1 Peter 1:17 - "Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear."
Revelation 14:7 - "He said in a loud voice, 'Fear God and give him glory, for the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.'"
Hebrews 13:17 Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.
I got saved and i have trouble stopping all my sins. Like cussing and occasionally thinking bad thoughts like hatred or something towards people and I pray immediately for forgiveness and guidance and wisdom but I am starting to feel like God is going to reject me just for constantly having to come and apologize for stuff.
Thank you for sharing. Pls know that bad thoughts are not “us”, but the adversary tempting us. They become a sin we we accept and ponder or take action on the sin.
I too cussed way too much and I have just in the passes year turned to the Holy Spirit and am catching myself before I do (most the time). But it’s getting much better. May God bless us as we walk in His Grace to purify us as we turn from sins and focus on His Holy Lamb 🙏🏼
Brothers and sisters I do not consider that I have made it my own yet ;but one thing I do :forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead ,I press on toward the goal to win the heavenly prize of the upward call of God in Christ. Philippians 3:13-14
He was born again but as yet strived for salvation
Very interesting perspective. And an excellent pastoral approach to this question. Personally, I don’t think the NT actually addresses the question of whether a born-again, Spirit-filled believer in the Lord Jesus Christ can lose their salvation. There are warnings not to fall away. Hebrews is full of them. But I’m not convinced that Hebrews is written primarily to Jewish Christians. I’m pretty convinced it’s written to the Jewish nation as a whole, which includes both saved and unsaved Jews. But I think both the warnings in Chapter 6 and Chapter 10 are warnings to the nation of Israel just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD, not warnings to individual Christians. I think if you look at Chapters 3 and 4, the author is clearly warning the nation of Israel not to be like that generation of Israelites that escaped from Egypt, which was also a mixed multitude of both believers (Moses, Joshua, Caleb) and unbelievers (everyone else). I think the controversial passages in Chapter 6 and 10 are warning Israel about what will happen if they follow the example of that generation. Others point to passages in Galatians and 1 and 2 Corinthians that seem to suggest that people that commit certain sins cannot make it to heaven. But, in reality, those passages are taken out of context. Paul was not addressing the question we are trying to answer. I think in those cases Paul is really just drawing distinctions between the way the unsaved, Gentile world acts and how those in the church act. He isn’t really trying to explain how one loses their salvation.
Never does the NT specifically answer the question. Paul never says, “This is how a born-again, Spirit-filled believer in Christ can end up condemned for eternity.” And the NT never addresses the question of how someone can be unborn from the family of God. I just don’t really think there is a consistent, unambiguous, specific answer to that question in the NT. As Mr. Bird says in the video, there are clear warnings against falling away. But there is never any specific example of a specific individual that we are told was born again and completely trusting in Christ and saved, but sinned in some certain way and will spend eternity in condemnation as a result. There are examples in Acts and the NT epistles of believers that fall away, but we are never told that their eternity was in danger of condemnation. So, quite frankly, I think the message of the NT is to be faithful at all times. If you make a deliberate choice to live a consistent life of ungodliness and sin, then there is a definite problem. It may, in fact, be evidence that you were never born again or saved in the first place. But it might also be that you are a disobedient and worldly Christian. It is clear that God demands your repentance. But does that sin cause a born again believer to spend an eternity in condemnation? I don’t think we have a clear and unambiguous answer to that question.
Great Expaination!!
The few who actually have salvation, can never ever lose it. Anyone who does not understand this truth, simply has not yet become saved.
Hi Chad, in Hebrews, Paul address the Jews, and warning them of their deliberate act of rejecting Jesus and go after the temple sacrifices, Hence he says if they sin deliberately, there would be no other way for salavation and one thing is more clear that no righteous act of mine will save me,rather than his righteousness.
God is asking us to walk in his ways planned for me before the foundation of the world,and obtain his reward when Jesus returns..amen
Jesus is the only way to the Father and eternal life. Jews do not have Jesus. John 17.3
Brother, you speak the Truth! One saved always saved is just one of many lies implanted into the church over the passed 2000 years. And there are many. False prophets abound, but as you said, Jesus' flock know His Voice and hear His Whisper.
I fear i will not endure until the end, that something will happen in this crazy world and i will fall away out of fear. Can anyone help me overcome this?
that is Ok, because that has to do with persecution not Salvation
Thank you. That really clarifies the whole issue. I usually ask because there are people out there teaching followers that they cannot lose their salvation or they were never saved. My caution to them is that they, as a teacher, will be held accountable for those listening who use that teaching as a license to remain in sin. Then they generally quote a scripture to back up their stance and blow me off.
You can’t lose your salvation if it is genuine salvation. What did you do to get it? Nothing…
@@RockyTop85 live in unrepentant sin.
@@RockyTop85 You have to repent of sin to be saved and make Jesus your Lord.
If you can lose your salvation than it is by your works (faithfulness, obediance) that keeps you saved, correct? That's works and implies Christ is not a complete Savior.
Galatians might be a good place to dig into, chapter 3 is very good.
@@garyp.9073 no it’s by faith and obedience. Faith without works is dead. The Lord has provided all we need is up to us to tap into it and allow Him to change our hearts and to renew our minds with His word.
The answer to the question is found in the sacred scriptures. "The wages of sins is death." (Romans 6:23). Can or have those who have been saved, sin and leave this world in sin? Can or have those who have been saved, sin and be separated from the eternal God?
God will not lose any Christ died for!
Great explanation in this video.
We always have free will. To remove that from the equation makes living in freedom irrelevant...am I free truly if I am not able to walk out the gift that God has given me? Paul related that I should understand the reality that I am dead to sin, and therefore should no longer live that old lifestyle out. But, I can always choose to walk away.
If I struggle with a sin problem then part of continuing to follow through with the fact that God's truth is in fact true is to say and live, "I am wrong and God is right." I then stand in grace that God is working on me, and I need His help to overcome. It is a battle that we will always face in this life. But sin does not keep us from God if we continue turning to Him for help. 1 John 1:9. I will overcome if I continue allowing God to help and cleanse me. The issue with willful sin is that there is the danger of becoming so cooled off in our walk with God, and so full of the sin (sin always grows like cancer) that we will not turn back or agree with God any longer. There is real power in Christ Jesus! So our focus needs to willfully transition from the way we used to think, to thinking like Jesus did while He walked here. As Paul related, it is a pressing forward, not an arrival - at least not here. 🙂 Great commentary!
God transforms us. you will not ever walk away.
Your explanation defines dichotomous thought,
It is easy to see you as a member of the lost tribes / Jacob.
Woow! all this believers that go against his teachings think they’re saved by grace not knowing that it is the grace of Yahuah that give us the power to follow his commands and degree. Pray that we walk in humility and stay away from sinning which is disobeying the law of Yahuah. We’re not called to received grace as a license to do whatever we want. That is a paganism mindset we should uprooted from our heart and mind. Much love to all and pray we all come together as his children and worship him in Spirit and Truth HalleluYA!
So if I "reject" salvation, then two years later, change my mind, do I need to get born again, again? And if I change my mind after that? So "eternal" doesn't mean eternal, it means until you reject it?
the bible talks about that, god warns us, please read it.
Paul’s main message to the church in Galatia was that obedience to the Mosaic Law cannot save anyone; salvation comes only through faith in Jesus Christ. He emphasized this point repeatedly in his letter to the Galatians to counter the false teaching that Gentile Christians needed to follow Jewish laws to be saved. For example, in Galatians 2:16, Paul writes, “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ… for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”
Paul contrasts the works of the law with faith in Jesus. Faith is not just intellectual assent but involves a deep trust and commitment to Christ. James 2:17 reminds us that “faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead,” which means true faith manifests in obedience to God’s will. In other words, believing in Jesus is inseparable from obeying His teachings.
The concept of “faith in Jesus” means trusting Him completely for our salvation and submitting to His lordship. When we place our faith in Jesus, we are declaring our trust in His sacrificial death and resurrection as the only means of reconciliation with God. However, this faith must be maintained and lived out continually. As Paul warns in Colossians 1:23, we are to continue “in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel.”
If we turn away from this faith-essentially losing our trust and commitment to Jesus-then we risk forfeiting our salvation. The idea that “once saved, always saved” is misleading because it suggests that our initial act of faith is all that matters, regardless of how we live afterward. However, Jesus Himself cautions against this false security in Matthew 7:21-23, saying, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven… I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.”
The Bible clearly teaches that salvation is a dynamic relationship with Jesus that must be maintained through faith and obedience. Therefore, it’s essential to continue in faith, remain vigilant, and obey God’s will, as only those who persevere in faith until the end will be saved (Matthew 24:13).
Hello! Jesus tells us we must endure till the end to be saved Matthew 24:13 KJV
Thank you brother
Seriously the best explanation of this subject I have yet heard. Well done.
Agreed. Asking questions with questions. Exploration, peaceful, thorough conclusion. Enjoyed it. Praise GOD. ❤
The truth is not a system of works. It is a person. No one is justified by works before or after that is why we are told not to use our new eternal life as license. It is because we have license that that warning is given in Romans. Once saved always saved is not a controversial doctrine but a person, Jesus Christ.
Most Christians everywhere reject OSAS. They make fun of it as license to abuse grace. If you’ve looked at the OSAS documentary I think you will see an attitude that thinks we must run and strive to stay saved instead of resting in the finished work.
So you give contradictory answers depending on your personal assessment of someone’s faith. Understandable if your sources are contradictory, and that should give every sincere believer pause. Contradiction indicates error, not truth.
I like Dr Bird’s teachings , but I think he missed the point here as you mentioned.
I love how Dr. Michael Heiser put it in terms of believing loyalty.
I personally have struggled for years to try to shake off Calvinistic teachings of predestination and election and once saved always saved.
Anyway I believe the Bible makes a clear distinction between having faith in Jesus / God and struggling with sin at the same time and rejecting Jesus/God and depending on your own works or worshipping other gods for salvation.
If you are interested in this just google Michael Heiser believing loyalty and check his blog.
Peace be with you
By the end of your presentation, I am convenced that you are right on. As Paul said in Romans 8:38 (KJV)
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Paul was speaking to true believers in this scripture. To simplify the salvation message when Jesus gave his life on the Cross, He paid the sin debt for the whole world. Therefore, if a person goes to Heaven, it won't be because they lived a sinless life. It will be because they believed on the only begotten son of God. And if a person goes to Hell it wont be because they sinned a lot, it will be because they rejected Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
Notwithstanding, it takes Real commitment for a person to be saved. Not just a head belief, for even the devils believe and tremble. It takes a real heart belief to be saved. Romans 10:9 (KJV)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
You could have made this a ten second video.
"You cannot lose your salvation, but you can reject it."
It took me decades and flip-flopping more than a fish to come to this conclusion.
HOW CAN JESUS CHRIST EVER ,,,, UN,,, REDEEM HS CHILDREN ?
Spot on!
Best video I have seen on the subject. It’s all about free will
Be holy, God is holy..
Amen chad
Is sinning deliberately to mean sinning without repenting? Because there are a BUNCH of sins that I do as a Christian that I know I shouldn't do. Even Paul wrote about sinning and being the chief of the sinners. I'd suppose much of his sins were voluntary, hence deliberate.
Nobody looses their salvation, but there are many who give it up.
The problem is, that no apostles has ever addressed the situation that one who is saved will think he can go on sinning because he has eternal salvation. It has never been addressed because no individual who is actually saved can think such a thing due to the Holy Spirit bringing them to salvation.
Paul did mentioned should we keep sinning due to grace in Romans 6 but losing your salvation was not mentioned there because losing your salvation was not even thought of… no saved person will ever think of living in sin because they are eternally secure. Only a depraved mind would entertain that thought. Since people’s opinion of the Holy Spirit and the power of the cross is weak, and because they hold an erroneous concept of how one comes to be saved, they struggle with the concept of eternal salvation
Who was Hebrews addressed to?
Thank you for this video. I ask this question often because I am worried about my adult daughter . She was baptized as an infant and raised in the faith. At one time she professed faith in God. Now, she no longer believes and considers herself an atheist. I want to believe in once saved always saved because I don’t want her to be lost for eternity and yet I know the Bible teaches otherwise. Could you direct me with help on this reason for asking the question of once saved always saved?
I am sorry for that heartache. Perhaps this recent video will help: ruclips.net/video/loWDPc5vexs/видео.html
Expecting a staight forward answer from these guys is a "Fools errand".
Why address me in the third person? That’s weird. It’s my channel, my video, and I’m reading the comments.
@@chadbird1517 I should apologise for my foolishness with my comment here. I guess it is hard for any Apologist much less an internet apologist to give a straight answer to the question " once saved, always saved? By the way if you are a Calvinist, maybe you would have given the answer without any hesitation.
A great explanation. Thank you. What about these preachers that are preaching heresies and distorting the truth? Or those that believe what they are teaching. It's such an important topic. I worry about friends who are entrenched in the charismatic community who say such absurd things. It all comes back to trusting God i guess.
The key phrase in John 10:27 is “they follow me”. They that FOLLOW Christ are secure. If you decide to walk away from him then you forfeit your own salvation. You disconnect from the vine, you decide to not REMAIN in Him by your own free will.
Amen ❤
Never saved to begin with
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No not amen… that’s stupid… thank God once saved always saved… I’m not dragging Jesus back to the cross repeatedly…
@@LSUTigerbait OSAS means you can willfully sin and be okay. That is not Biblical otherwise Christ’s own words are lies. Believing is an active state of obeying the teaching of Christ, and a person can stop believing according to the scriptures:
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. (Spoken by Christ)
James 2 - works are required to prove faith. We are not saved by works, but if no works, our faith is dead and we are not working as Christ worked.
Col 1:23 “if indeed you continue in the faith” (why the “if”)
Rev 3:3-5 - verse 3 talks about how they need to repent, and these are believers. Verse 5 says those who overcome will be clothed in white (saved).
Romans 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
You walk away you were never saved to begin with.
If we could lose our salvation, we would
I heard that statemen from a very known pastor and I'm wondering what is the meaning
@@hermansmikle6685 abide in christ or be cut off john 15:6 beastmark is already here
Next logical question: if indwelled by the Holy Spirit - can one then reject (effectively kick out) the Holy Spirit?
Good point. I think you are asking the right question. If the Holy Spirit is given to a believer at a definite point in time, then unbelief, not just doubt or disobedience, will cause the Holy Spirit to withdraw.
Forgive me for not looking up the passage where David asked that God would not "take your Spirit from me", but even though he did not have the capacity to have the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, it seems that that same Spirit is always the key to life and eventually...eternal life.
Matthew 10:33 (ESV): but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
“Also I will make him my firstborn, Higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, And my covenant shall stand fast with him. His seed also will I make to endure for ever, And his throne as the days of heaven. If his children forsake my law, And walk not in my judgments; If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, Nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. His seed shall endure for ever, And his throne as the sun before me. It shall be established for ever as the moon, And as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.”
Psalm 89:27-37 KJV
Eternal life is not eternal if you can die. God is no liar.
The teaching of Galatians 5 is concerning the difference between the living in bondages under the law and being free in Christ. This whole chapter has nothing to do with losing your salvation nor keeping it. It has nothing to do with salvation at all but on living in freedom thru faith in CHRIST, which is in Grace. Falling from Grace is not losing your salvation but the grace of living law free thru faith in Christ.
@ChadBird1517 How would you fit in the picture of being born again? Can someone be born again and then die again? Or is being born again a resurrection picture? Similarly, 2 Cor 5:17, if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation. Is this a permanent one time occurrence or a future event, or can one who is new/born again, now never turn away?
Chad, an admonishment: you are horrendously interpreting Hebrews 10:26. This verse is to unbelievers, Hebrew unbelievers, who had a KNOWLEDGE of the truth (not embracing the truth, believing the truth). And, the sacrifice for sins no longer remaining is talking about the sacrifice of bulls & goats. The first 9 verses of Hebrews 10 alludes to sacrifices of bulls & goats. Hebrews 10:10 tells of the sacrifice of Jesus. Nothing to do to "warn" Christians. You are making stuff up.
Likewise, in Hebrews 6:5,6 those have been enlightened, partakers of the Holy Spirit (seen miracles), tasted the heavenly gift (not swallowed) & then fallen away (not believed, hardened their hearts). Not believers falling away.
2 Timothy 2:15: Study to show yourself approved unto God, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
Please study in depth before putting out erroneous videos. Salvation cannot be lost.
"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." 1 John 2:19.
Amen
Truth from the right question!
So? No answer. Answered both ways.
I mean no disrespect to anyone, especially this pastor. He at least tried to answer the question. The once saved always saved belief is very dangerous speaking from my personal experience. I went to the altar as a young man, confessed my sins, my life from that point on had shown NO change, I was still of the world. People will say, "then you really didn't mean it!" First, how do you know, second I was truly of the repentant heart and do/did believe in Christ and what He did for me, so yes! I meant it.
The problem was, I believed "once I was saved, I was always saved!" That thought came from the world AKA the devil, saying or making me believe God was a folksy old grandpa, setting on His front porch, waiting on me to come home now that I had made my confession, no matter how I behaved, and let me say,"NONE of that was true." God will not be mocked and He will NOT be reduced to our level of humanity and have our thoughts/feelings. God is Sovereign, He is HOLY/PURE/Unblemished/True/Perfect in every way, I could go on but the point is He is NOTHING like anything we have ever seen.
Just be careful believing that once you've repented and ask Christ into your heart that you don't forget He is there, and that the Father is actually perfect and the WE as Christians are supposed to "Be ye perfect" or at least strive too even though we know we can't. Our works doesn't get us to the Father, Jesus did that, but our works separates us from the rest of the world we are to be shown as NOT OF THE WORLD.
Remember, be in the world... not of the world.
The idea of once saved always saved can give you the false confidence that you can do as you please..... if you're a Follower of Jesus Christ, you can't!
Thats just my take on this subject.
The answer is clear. What matters is whether you’re proclaiming law or Gospel. Can you fall away? Yes. That’s the law. Does God keep his people in salvation? Yes. That’s the Gospel. We live in the dual reality of both of these words from God. Far from “no answer,” this is God’s consistent answer, OT and NT.
@chadbird1517 Well, yes, it's the same circular conversation and "answers" that all these folks throw around. I am not being disrespectful (please don't take it like that), but I have heard these and more. I am just tired of this and should have kept my thumbs to themselves, but I am too dumb to do that.
It seems that the denominations are the people fighting/arguing, and it's worn out. I apologize if I seemed ugly. That wasn't my intention. This topic drives me nutz! 😄
Love you and what you do here! Thanks
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You are exactly right. Once saved always saved had led it's millions to hell with it's false security. Exactly.
Salvation is free & permanent. You're not a believer ON Christ but a believer OF Christ. Those who believe ON Him, rely on His death, burial & resurrection as sufficient to save their soul eternally, once & forever.
Where is the biblical basis for this emphasis upon prepositions like "of" and "on"?
''No one can snatch him away',..true, but sounds like that is external(outside of himself),..but we have free will to fall away, go a different way, stop believing, anotherwords we send ourselves to hell. He is saying no one other than us can lose it.
Why does man insist on gaining eternal life by his own hands, the gospel is so simple but it goes right over the heads of the boastful. There will be many that miss heaven because they trust in themselves and their ability to keep commandments rather than completely trusting in Christ and his work
2 Corinthians 5:17. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.”
If you understand what it says it's not about salvation but a step towards it. What Paul is saying is we have to diminish to our old man and Christ has to increase in us. John the baptizer said the same thing right before Jesus showed up to be baptized. "One comes whom sandals I'm not worthy to loose." This what it means to become a new creation. It will be recognizable. Paul after his conversion still brought fear to the early Christians. "Isn't this the same man who wanted to throw us into prison." Eventually they recognized the change in Paul and that he was no longer the old "Saul". In the original church one adopted a new name that represented the new person we become (called their Christian name - when infants were baptized they would be given that Christian name. This why our first name became known as our Christian name. FYI
The Apostles as today's pastors cant see One's heart. They can only judge their fruit, So just like today, Not everyone in the church is saved. These are those who 'fall away' and 'leave the faith' The scriptures are very Clear, Jesus's own words are Clear - OSAS.
Jesus explains those in question =
Matthew 13:20 The seed sown on rocky ground is the one who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since he has no root, he remains for only a season. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away
How long can the season be?
John 10:26But because you are not My sheep, you refuse to believe. 27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. ----- I stand with Jesus and find Peace in the fact that no matter what.I am His
I fell from grace. He left me😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
As long as your assurance of salvation is reliant on fallible man you will never have assurance of salvation! Until it is reliant on infallible God!
This is not a complicated or controversial topic. Once a person is saved he/she is saved and sealed and “no man shall pluck them from My hand”. The question is NOT if a person can lose their salvation as this would require maintaining one’s salvation which is clearly unbiblical as our salvation would partially depend on our works. Secondly, at the beginning of the millennial kingdom many will come before Jesus claiming to have done many things in His name-and the connotations that they really believed that they were saved and were blinded to their own sin-and Jesus casts them aside because He “never knew them”. So yes once saved always saved is completely biblical and the only option so the real question is is a person really saved or better, instead of their knowing God does God know them? This is evidenced by their works not earned or maintained. Now there will be many in Heaven who God knows but they have no fruit. Several characters in the Bible such as Samson, all of the generations from Abraham to Benjamin, displayed lives where Scripture doesn’t describe one good thing they did. This is where the bema seat comes in and the loss of reward is an eternal state which is designated for the carnal Christian not because they knew God but because God knew them and saved them in spite of. This is the mystery of salvation.
Saying that a person who has once given his life to christ, walked with him and then can't be deceived into living a life of sin is disingenuous. Ive seen it more times than I can count. Faith in christs finished work is how we are saved. If we dont continue in that faith we live in unbelief. No it's not by works. but it is by faith. Faith is shown by works. Otherwise it's not faith at all. Don't be deceived those who live in sin are not children of God. Nor do they know him.
'All things are possible' relate to the saving grace of God the Father, know that none were able to save themselves through keeping the law, but God made it possible through Christ Jesus unto salvation. It's not an insurance, but in Christ, we have received the assurance by the baptism into the Body of Christ and his indwelling Holy Spirit to work in the righteousness of Christ!!!!
I know them and they follow me, if you’re not following Jesus, you are not his sheep. There’s no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus , who are walking in the Spirit. To those who are walking in the Spirit, there’s no condemnation, they are not subject to the law of sin and death, as those walking in the flesh
That doesn't really answer the question. The real question is this: Can a regenerated, new creation be de-regenerated and somehow be formed again into the old, passed away creation? I don't see how. The Bible certainly never gives an example of it.
Great word!
OSAS is a stumbling block. We are not to put stumbling blocks before our new / weak brothers and sisters..
I would like to see a debate between this gentleman and Onorato Diamante, a _Free Grace_ adherent.
Thank you for all you do for the body of Christ through your teachings .
I am reformed but I do follow your teachings .
My question is ,is it necessary for a minister doing evangelism to unbelievers to emphasize eternal security.
OSAS
He gave all of this logic against OSAS… but if you focus on eternal salvation, you risk them becoming sinning Christians, which is the worst hypocrisy and grieves the Holy Spirit.
We should focus on God’s Grace to change us, and walking as new creatures, dead to our old sins/desires. Then God will work mightily in us!🙏🏼
How can your name be blotted out if it was never in the book of life?
👉Once Saved Aways Saved for the Church.
In 1John 3:6, when it says (Whoever abides in Him does not sin), that's talking about our (new man), our new man does not sin. When it says (Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor knows Him) that's talking about the person that's not saved.
*Now look at 1JOHN 1:8, our flesh sins.
*We can walk in darkness, 1JOHN 1:6, cross reference with Romans 13:12
I'm continuing,
The Lukewarm:
Jesus could wish they were (cold or hot) not Lukewarm. =Revelation 3:15
The Lukewarm, are people who are not saved.
*The Lukewarm people are naked, they have no garments on.= Revelation 3:17,18
*There are some believers that have defiled their garments, they are not naked= Revelation 3:4
Now go back to Revelation 3:21 = (to him who overcomes,) cross reference that with 1JOHN 5:4,5, (we overcome the world, through our faith.)
What is the consequence for the person who has everlasting life but does not heed the warnings in the passages discussed in this video?
Basically if one falls away they didn't have a personal relationship with Jesus in the first place. If you do you won't fall away. You'll sin of course, but you won't go back to old patterns of sinning
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Great video!!!
Chad. You literally read John 10 and dont believe you have eternal life. You literally took Hebrews, Galatians and Ephesians out of context to fit your narrative. Then you end with confession. This proves you dont believe in the finished work of Christ. You believe Christ did not die for all sin. Your doctrine has no eternal life in it because its based on our performance. Brother Chad. We have absolutely no power to save ourselves or keep ourselves saved.
I be agree with you, eternal life is promised to believers so once saved always saved is true. For some reason people think their works will save them and that people can lose eternal life, how can something eternal cease to exist? It’s so sad people get fooled by worksbased salvation.
@@jumama2032 ABSOLUTELY 💯