I was on the fence on this bike. I was in the market for a bike and I watched many reviews of the old version and this new 2024. I went with the last years 2023 and couldn't be happier. Thank you for your video.
I was sitting on one of these at the dealers today! I used to have a Pure, some years back, and I must say, the ergonomics are so much better on this new one. And the looks is better aswell. Yep, two thumbs up from me! 🙂
I took one out while my r9t scrambler had a service. I was so happy to get mine back...the new bike felt plasticky and a rip off for the price. Sure you can chuck it about but the build really felt cheap in comparioson with the old bike. Even the dealer said the old models are a lot more bike for your money.
The new bike has a quick shifter that the predecessor hasn’t, but the older gearbox in my opinion was very satisfying. I don’t mind clunky. I like to feel that hardness in these bikes. But for the one who values quality smoother ride, this R12 is much smoother that the r nine T. The seat is softer and more comfortable, but. I felt a bit crushed in the bike. The digital minimalist screen is cute, but on a bike like this I would go for the analog clocks. The gas tank lost 1 liter of capacity in name of beauty and of the new frame which is more compact, inclusively the air box intake is now undercover ( it’s change that aesthetically I didn’t appreciate, the external intake design). The suspension is filtering better the irregularities of the asphalt which also adds comfort to the bike. And the keyless solution, for me it’s an error on a bike that has a retro vibe, feel of the mechanical functions and design. I fancy the key to turn on the bike. I have a R nine T 2022 Scrambler and I’m not trading. On that opinion I’m with Scott here.
I agree. I will keep my R9T scrambler... a much better, and more robust bike than the new models. I found the build quality to be cheap on he R12, rigt down to the iinsubstantial sde stand. Who needs a quick shifter on such a bike?
Yes, that’s also what I think. The bike doesn’t need a quick shifter. I find the digital little screen cute, but I also prefer the analog clocks. And mainly, on our R Nine T’s who need keyless technology? I don’t need it at all. Mine is fine and it’s becoming better and better as I ride it more 👌🏻
LOL, I did the same last November... 2018 Sport Glide, now with a 2023 R1250 GS. Could consider trading in the Sport glide for one of these or a R 1250 R.
Beautiful video ❤. I own a scrambler Ducati 800 right now. Bought it in my 20’s, now I’m in my 30's i think this bike better suits me now cause I’m getting old. LOL. And can’t deny that horsepower and torque upgrade either. Cool video mate!
Great review 👍 I test rode one of these and an RT back to back. Within 100 yards I knew I didn’t like the T. I wanted to as I love the looks etc. shame. Onto the RT and I didn’t want to take it back to the dealer. It rode so nice and easily.
Really nice bike. I was surprised to learn it is air-cooled. Hopefully BMW is able to offer this engine for some time. I am not too crazy about the water cooled boxer concept.
I bought a '23 R nineT a few months ago. I ride pretty hard. I have not noticed ANY problems with the handling over a broad array of roads. I fail to see how this new 'stiffer' frame could make any real world difference ... it is already quite stiff enough !.
I have the Rninet as it’s my first bike and now also have the r18 TC but now there is a R20 coming soon looks like I will need that too. Damn boxers get into your blood 🩸
on my clunky QS the shifter will be smooth when shifted at the natural shift point. The shift point increase with the gear so if 2-3 is at 3k 3-4 will be 3.gk and 4-5 4K - just my experience I get that a QS should shift smooth outside the natural shift point but i have to work with what I go -DL800
Nice laid-back review. Like your style. Small changes, not much difference really. The biggest PIA with the old model was you had to remove the petrol tank to service the air filter and battery. If you can now get access to those by simply removing the seat, then that's a big plus. But is that the case?
@@larryvanputten4048I figured that. I’ve never seen it asked, but I assumed it had been. I normally don’t read comments, so finding out could only be accomplished by asking…..again
I own a bonneville T120 and this bike is not good enough to make me want to trade mine for the BMW to be honest. But I don’t think any new classic bike will be so good to make me want to let the T120 go 😅
I don't like the look of the wheels, wire spoke wheels suit this bike much better. But they are an option, and I guess will add weight that could make the bike closer to the original. But cost more. 😊
Interesting - I’ve long preferred the air/oil cooled boxer engine from this model over the later LC models, both in terms of feel and sound. However, I’ve tested or had an R Nine T as a loan bike many times since 2015 and all I can say about the suspension is “boneshaker”. Head over heels the worst suspension on any bike I’ve ever ridden. I recently had the new R12 and it’s even worse. Feels like there is no rear suspension at all. The other slight negative is with the intake/exhaust from back to front instead of top one bottom on the LC engine, I keep whacking my shins into them. It’s a nice looking bike and the low seat height and lower weight compared to something like a GS make it accessible to much wider range of riders. The real challenge for BMW is the wide availability of mint low mileage used R Nine Ts below half the price of a new bike. If I were in the market I’d seek out a used minter.
have r1150r 2004 twin spark, non Abs, lightest in category 218kg dry, but 21L tank and top consumption is 7L with heavy luggage and two person on fast high way, elefant and no way to trade for new, be force with you
@@NothingToProve Well, that may explain rejecting flatulence as a form of art, but what explains accepting clunky shifts and rattling clutches as character?
BMW destroyed the ninet, speed shifter ? who cares ? This thing lost his character. The old ninet took them at least 3 years in design, the new one has a good engine as always.
I was on the fence on this bike. I was in the market for a bike and I watched many reviews of the old version and this new 2024. I went with the last years 2023 and couldn't be happier. Thank you for your video.
You certainly have all of us jealous as you ride in paradise every day!
I`ll probably never own a BMW😂 but appreciate your insights😃👍👍. Good job!! Have a good weekend. Cheers!!!!
I was sitting on one of these at the dealers today! I used to have a Pure, some years back, and I must say, the ergonomics are so much better on this new one. And the looks is better aswell. Yep, two thumbs up from me! 🙂
Are you going to buy?
I took one out while my r9t scrambler had a service. I was so happy to get mine back...the new bike felt plasticky and a rip off for the price. Sure you can chuck it about but the build really felt cheap in comparioson with the old bike. Even the dealer said the old models are a lot more bike for your money.
@@paulwalker797 Most interesting!
@@SmittyAZ Me? No, I've just bought a new bike. My wallet says the garage is too small. 🙂
@@johnDukemaster I should have consulted you before I added my 12th.
Old one looks much better✊🔥
Eagerly waiting for the R12 G/S!
The new bike has a quick shifter that the predecessor hasn’t, but the older gearbox in my opinion was very satisfying. I don’t mind clunky. I like to feel that hardness in these bikes. But for the one who values quality smoother ride, this R12 is much smoother that the r nine T. The seat is softer and more comfortable, but. I felt a bit crushed in the bike. The digital minimalist screen is cute, but on a bike like this I would go for the analog clocks. The gas tank lost 1 liter of capacity in name of beauty and of the new frame which is more compact, inclusively the air box intake is now undercover ( it’s change that aesthetically I didn’t appreciate, the external intake design). The suspension is filtering better the irregularities of the asphalt which also adds comfort to the bike. And the keyless solution, for me it’s an error on a bike that has a retro vibe, feel of the mechanical functions and design. I fancy the key to turn on the bike.
I have a R nine T 2022 Scrambler and I’m not trading. On that opinion I’m with Scott here.
I agree. I will keep my R9T scrambler... a much better, and more robust bike than the new models. I found the build quality to be cheap on he R12, rigt down to the iinsubstantial sde stand. Who needs a quick shifter on such a bike?
Yes, that’s also what I think. The bike doesn’t need a quick shifter. I find the digital little screen cute, but I also prefer the analog clocks. And mainly, on our R Nine T’s who need keyless technology? I don’t need it at all. Mine is fine and it’s becoming better and better as I ride it more 👌🏻
Great review. If money were no object I would have a boxer BMW sitting next to my Harley. Thanks.
LOL, I did the same last November... 2018 Sport Glide, now with a 2023 R1250 GS. Could consider trading in the Sport glide for one of these or a R 1250 R.
Beautiful video ❤. I own a scrambler Ducati 800 right now. Bought it in my 20’s, now I’m in my 30's i think this bike better suits me now cause I’m getting old. LOL. And can’t deny that horsepower and torque upgrade either. Cool video mate!
Great as ever Scott. I may take out a test rig….. Hi as usual from UK (just re-starting to rain)
Great review 👍 I test rode one of these and an RT back to back. Within 100 yards I knew I didn’t like the T. I wanted to as I love the looks etc. shame.
Onto the RT and I didn’t want to take it back to the dealer. It rode so nice and easily.
Really nice bike. I was surprised to learn it is air-cooled. Hopefully BMW is able to offer this engine for some time. I am not too crazy about the water cooled boxer concept.
I bought a '23 R nineT a few months ago. I ride pretty hard. I have not noticed ANY problems with the handling over a broad array of roads. I fail to see how this new 'stiffer' frame could make any real world difference ... it is already quite stiff enough !.
Great reviews Scott.. which do you like better between this and the R12 ?.. Also, beautiful countryside, where is this?
Got a R NineT - if ever it got pinched, I’d happily grab one of those:)
I have the Rninet as it’s my first bike and now also have the r18 TC but now there is a R20 coming soon looks like I will need that too. Damn boxers get into your blood 🩸
R20 ? Are they mad. They’ve not sold a single R18 in the UK !
on my clunky QS the shifter will be smooth when shifted at the natural shift point. The shift point increase with the gear so if 2-3 is at 3k 3-4 will be 3.gk and 4-5 4K - just my experience
I get that a QS should shift smooth outside the natural shift point but i have to work with what I go -DL800
Hi was hast du mit den reifen gemacht 😂 bist du über eine Feile gefahren 👍🤣🤣
Nice laid-back review. Like your style. Small changes, not much difference really. The biggest PIA with the old model was you had to remove the petrol tank to service the air filter and battery. If you can now get access to those by simply removing the seat, then that's a big plus. But is that the case?
It’s the same!
Great video as always! Not a bike question, but what brand riding jeans are you wearing.
If I am not mistaking those are Trilobite Parado Jeans.
@@opreameisterhq9652 I think you’re right, does look like Trilobite after looking them up.
This question has been asked so many times that Scott even doesn’t answer it anymore😉😂
@@larryvanputten4048I figured that. I’ve never seen it asked, but I assumed it had been. I normally don’t read comments, so finding out could only be accomplished by asking…..again
Nice Bike
you thoughts on the new 2025 BMW R20 Concept (2000cc Boxer) ?
I own a bonneville T120 and this bike is not good enough to make me want to trade mine for the BMW to be honest. But I don’t think any new classic bike will be so good to make me want to let the T120 go 😅
That will be not a matter of “good enough” but a matter of taste…
@larryvanputten4048
Good enough gearbox? Slipper clutch? Only really better on the 9T is lack of chain maintenance.
I don't like the look of the wheels, wire spoke wheels suit this bike much better. But they are an option, and I guess will add weight that could make the bike closer to the original. But cost more. 😊
Why is there still a key hole under the instrument cluster if it's keyless?
Unfortunately to lock the steering, you still require the key which makes the unlock/start and stop/lock process more cumbersome.
Also to open the gas cap a key is needed, I believe.
You've got to be related to Christopher Walkden
If only…they would make this in a true GS variant…like a highly refined version of the early 2000 model.
Interesting - I’ve long preferred the air/oil cooled boxer engine from this model over the later LC models, both in terms of feel and sound. However, I’ve tested or had an R Nine T as a loan bike many times since 2015 and all I can say about the suspension is “boneshaker”. Head over heels the worst suspension on any bike I’ve ever ridden. I recently had the new R12 and it’s even worse. Feels like there is no rear suspension at all. The other slight negative is with the intake/exhaust from back to front instead of top one bottom on the LC engine, I keep whacking my shins into them. It’s a nice looking bike and the low seat height and lower weight compared to something like a GS make it accessible to much wider range of riders. The real challenge for BMW is the wide availability of mint low mileage used R Nine Ts below half the price of a new bike. If I were in the market I’d seek out a used minter.
Why would anyone want a quick-shifter on a street-bike?
have r1150r 2004 twin spark, non Abs, lightest in category 218kg dry, but 21L tank and top consumption is 7L with heavy luggage and two person on fast high way, elefant and no way to trade for new, be force with you
Nice bike, but the price! 😱 I could easily configure this to be more than 20.000 Euro, and this is definitely much too high for a simple naked bike.
Why is it easier to convince my wife that clunky shifts and rattling dry clutches are “character” but my farting isn’t performance art?
Because she is female, a man understands, women just don't get it. 🤣🤣
@@NothingToProve Well, that may explain rejecting flatulence as a form of art, but what explains accepting clunky shifts and rattling clutches as character?
Bought the R12 Nine T, a disaster so far!!!!
BMW destroyed the ninet, speed shifter ? who cares ? This thing lost his character.
The old ninet took them at least 3 years in design, the new one has a good engine as always.