I understand its called sea of 'THIEVES,' but sometimes, i just want to be alone, doing tall tales, fishing, exploring the world without being attacked, seeing the entire SoT myself without having to constantly check my map for reapers and the like
Sure. But, people seem to forget that Pirates historically stole from "The Man", not from one another or the poor. Pirate were mostly NOT murder-hobos with a griefing fetish.
As someone who has been attacked while fishing, sailing after a stressful day at work or just wanted to try a tall tale and didn’t even bother because of getting destroyed by toxic players. It is an absolute joy to finally enjoy the game without the need to constantly look over my shoulder for threats. So to all PVP players now crying foul over safer seas. Myself and many others would like to offer you a tiny violin for your sorrow at safer seas.
As someone who is not good at PVP at all i welcome the option. Sometimes i just want to feel a bit of freedom on the seas after work. Gold or Rep be damned when i can just explore, sail and do Tall tales in peace. Taking 2-3 hours of commitment on a voyage only to have it taken by "those" people puts me off the game for weeks. At the end of the day everyone plays the game their own way and i think Safer Seas will be an option for people who seek that specific experience.
I could have completed the tall tales faster with this safer seas. But, I'm looking forward to having somewhere to teach controls to people that are new before putting them with everyone.
By "those people", you mean normal players that play a game called sea of 'thieves'. The bigeest problem with SoT devs is they said they would never have PvE servers its goes against everything and the whole point of the game. If you think this is a win then you couldn't be more wrong, this is the final nail in the coffin in a desperate attempt to get anyone to play the game from all the players they have lost over the last year. Your comment is proof that anyone that plays this mode is not going back to high seas, the whole point of this safe seas is to bed people into high seas. This is what happens when you tailor to people your game is not made for. You end up losing everyone...
@@mariospanna8389 By "those" people i mean racist, homophobic sweatlords with 3000 hours into the game and hackers that kill and slur indiscriminately, even if there's kids around. I do play normaly against others and "play the game as intended, bla bla" but when you run into a brig with 3 skellys as a solo and they chase you forever for your 50 canonballs you kinda don't want to put up with that sometimes.
@mariospanna8389 I think you missed the point of them doing it. They are doing it essentially because they know maiden voyage doesn't teach you all that it should and to add all that onto maiden voyage isn't feasible. Plus, I agree with kraken, tall tales shouldn't be on the same servers as pvp. You should have a place to teach players the game. And if you have an issue with the fact that some people are for it and disagree with you, you are part of the problem and reason why people are leaving because it's not the way you want it. Not everyone is into pvp. You know what will be nice, not having someone appear on your ship out of nowhere, and teleporting around trying to kill you and your crew. Yes it happens and yes I have it on video.
I've been a pirate legend for a very long time, I've never enjoyed PVP in SOT. I tend to put the game on when I want to chill out with a friend, she dislikes PVP so if we get bothered too much in a session she'll nope out. Now I'll be able to get her through Tall Tales & we'll be able to use SOT as our chill out game so I'm over the moon for safer seas.
A few weeks ago I stated in a Reddit post that I would go back to the game in a heartbeat if I were able to do Tall Tales in peace. Guess I am finishing them after all.
it would be easier if people just were not toxic. You spend weeks getting all your friends together for a voyage and you are attacked by a toxic crew and it just ruins the mood. Then you spend weeks solo again.
maturity is definitely a huge component around it. There are people that can justify anything with the phrase "It's Sea of THIEVES" and not a lot can be done about it, but it doesn't stop hurting the community in the long run.
Honestly Safer Seas should have all the features in High Seas, if your playerbase chooses to play mostly on Safe Seas, maybe that means something about your game.
That's what they're going to find out, come december. People are going to exclusively play Safer Seas, and the only people left in High Seas are going to be PVP'ers and griefers. Guess how much fun that will be?
@spankyjeffro5320, you're wrong. Would much rather not restrict the open world that generates interesting and fun scenarios out of nowhere. A huge part of that is the presence of other ships and players.
Couple points. Level 1 - 40 is half of the XP required to get from 1 - 50. So it's not as bad as you think. As for people going from Safer Seas to Higher Seas and getting stomped by PvP. That's the same thing that would happen if they had gone straight into the Higher Seas from the get go. At least with playing the Safer Seas first they can get basic knowledge of the games systems and such. That way they don't have to learn how to sail at the same time as they are doing PvP.
I’ve been begging for this since the game first released. I don’t care about PvP, I don’t EVER want to play High Seas after this, I just love the chill mood the game provides when you just want to fish or hunt for treasure. My issue is that it’s being treated like a “lesser” or “beginner” mode. Safer Seas needs to be an equal mode to High Seas, the slower progression rate is fine, but uncap the reputation levels and let them play the content that doesn’t need player interactions.
They should have some kind of pvp toggle imo or have a certain part of the map a pvp zone. I am a founder of the game and have been playing since the beginning. All of my companies are maxed and I have a lot of the stuff done. Now when I go on I just want to relax and play without having to pvp.
Respectfully, pvp has always been and will always be an integral part of this game. I’m pretty terrible at pvp myself, to a point where it makes me cry, and even I can see that. This is simply a stepping stone for players to get used to things before sailing on to high seas, or as you said, for nights when players don’t want to run into other players. This is as it should be.
@@edde333 they have mate hour glass but for the pvpers it's not enough. Safer seas is not going to teach anything other than pve unless your allowed to have 2 ships on a pve server so you can practice with friends. My biggest issue with this safe server is the restrictions pvp have the hour glass as a full pvp area yet to me a 30% of the gold limited levels no athena or reaper and no FOD or FOF to me your being punished for wanting to pve. Either go all in or don't put safer seas up
@@andyjoy5032 Yeah it's weird how much the limited PVE. 50% of PVP red and gold would have been fine considering many PVPers don't actually do anything other than yoink treasure from people actually doing content. So they get way more rep and gold AND they don't actually do any content.
I completely understand the need for safer seas even though I'm a PvP player because when I first started playing Sea thieves I ran into that problem where I got sunk every single time I played and didn't help that people would call me names and s*** I thought the game was so toxic. The only thing that brought me back to the game was my friends started playing it 2 months after I had quit. then I found a whole community of really nice people that helped me out and now I have 2,900 hours.
People opposed to this seem to forget theres a whole group of people who won't play adventure at all right now due to pvp. Some might not come back at all even still because of the restrictions though. Which really stinks they have to restrict anything tbh. They're really missing out on an opportunity to bring everyone back. (And pull people from Alliance servers) As everyone seems to constantly say, Sandbox game. Let people play where and how they want. I personally want a mode where i can be left alone without flocking to an alliance server for that luxury.
Absolutely. It’s not Rare’s job to convert people into PvP enjoyers. You cannot control people. You cannot force people to like PvP. Rare needs to swallow their pride and remove the 70% gold and rep nerf as well as enabling the use of captained ships in safer seas.
@@SoTStuffY’all that won’t work. what they are doing right now is dumb but that would be dumber If they did that the main severs would die the only people in them would be sweats and literally nobody would learn PvP. And if you think that’s fine you are wrong the Pve in this game cannot carry itself people will quit because of boredom and anytime someone tries to learn PvP they will be crushed. TLDR dumb idea would never work
@@SoTStuffwait I just read the part where you say rare needs to swallow their pride lmao. Dude if you don’t like PvP that’s fine but it ain’t a sign the game needs to change for you it’s a sign you need to change games.
Pirate Legend has never felt anything special for me. It's just some over priced cosmetics that aren't even the nicest the game has to offer. The draw to Sea of Thieves for me, is the unique art style of the game and world. Now players will have the option to experience and enjoy the world in a way they might prefer. For the adventure and hopefully over time, more story content to fill in everything new and returning players have missed out on.
I like to put myself on other types of players' shoes thinking on Safer Seas. I actually have some friends who think this world, these stories, these tall tales, these characters are wonderful and they wanted to experience all of them, but the sandbox aspect of encounters always kept them away from the game. It's a golden opportunity for me to play with them, to call them back to the game, and I'm the one who actually enjoys the game the other way around! I love the unexpected, traitors and allies, the RP on the game, but now I'm able to enjoy a whole bunch of the game, say the tall tales or maybe just exploring the beautiful world that the game has with these friends who just want a carefree session. All of this also touches a bit on accessibility aspects, and I'm a very strong defensor of people being able to play games in the most meaningful and accessible way to them. This is a game I love, and if I can share the joys of it with more and more friends, while still enjoying the whole aspect of Higher Seas, it's a win win for me.
@@SoTStuff I'm regretful that my comment seems to say that she's wrong, because she's not. It's just another point of view totally valid. I actually agree with her on the level cap being too high on Safer Seas and the dwindling meaning of being a pirate legend. Also, it doesn't really prepare you for encounters. But what I meant is I'm able to deal with this for the sake of bringing the joy of the seas to this other group of players which includes some of my friends, and that Rare may as well review some of their decisions until the launch.
Every time PVE servers are brought up, the only people that complain about them are PVP players because they know they'll lose their easy targets, because they know they're trash at PVP and can't fight other people that actually want to fight.
I respect what you're saying, but I definitely disagree with some of your points. As others have mentioned, level 40 is less than halfway to level 50 in terms of getting to Pirate Legend, and leveling to 40 in Safer Seas is probably going to take about as long as it did when you first started because none of the big events that make good money are included, the progression is slowed to 2018 levels, and they're selling the old fashioned way. It is worth considering that a new player in 2023 comes in at such a wild disadvantage compared to what you did when you started because people were still figuring things out. Getting absolutely destroyed right out of the gates doesn't motivate the majority of people. It makes them quit. It doesn't feel like Rare would add this feature without hard data that shows this definitively because they surely knew it would be divisive. Safer Seas players may not have situational awareness when they first come to High Seas, but neither do new players. The big difference though is that Safer Seas players transitioning over to High Seas may know how to steer their ship, fire their cannons, control their character, eat food, use their weapons, and repair their boat. And they'll likely have an attachment to the game because they got to play it before having a negative player experience. These are invaluable things. It's not like they won't learn to check horizons in the same way we all did; that experience is exactly the same, just delayed a bit. This game is special to a lot of us who play it, and we should all be in favor of more people playing it and loving it. I won't agree with people who think that the game needs to be as hard or as difficult as it was when they started for the experience to be just as meaningful, or that perseverance through a brutal learning curve somehow makes the game better or it makes them better people or players.
I personally only want to play PvE ever, so limiting PvE content to force players back into PvP if they want to unlock stuff or experience all of the *PvE* content (owning a ship is a ridiculous thing to lock behind the PvP Pain Wall) is unnecessarily punitive. There is a very simple answer for this problem that is being ignored... just make it so that each player account has two entirely separate characters, one for PvE and one for PvP. Allow full access to every part of the game for BOTH, however lock all progress, items, money, and everything else to each mode. That means no taking your legendary beefed up galleon into PvP after leveling easily and safely in PvE... if I play a character in PvP, then it starts at the bottom with nothing like a fresh new player. The only thing that should be available across both accounts is stuff you purchased with real money. I have wanted to play Sea of Thieves since launch, but never touched it due to the unavoidable PvP aspect and my crippling anxiety, which I play games to escape. I remember when games like the first Red Dead Redemption (also a shared world filled with violent thieves) had separate lobbies for PvE players where we could go and do literally everything in the game with our friends without overwhelming stress... we were treated as if we had just as much value as the PvP players. Now, in RDR 2 there is no such thing as a friendly lobby, only a *heavily* discounted GTA passive mode where you can toggle to take somewhat less damage from player attacks, but you still get killed before you can put your fishing rod away. I haven't touched that game in years thanks to the toxic KOS player base, and I spent a lot of money on it. PvE servers (or simply private servers TBH) would be a Godsend that would bring people like me back into the fold of so many great games, and while this isn't quite that, I do think its a step in the right direction to that end. Real life is PvP. It is perfectly valid to want to escape that in my escapism.
I think Rare may have one eye on the future of the game and another big Pirate game coming out, maybe wrong, but I’ve played that other game, it’s great, PVP is a choice, not a given, I love SoT and all it brings, but things change, gaming changes, people’s mindsets change and companies need to cater to a wider community, the majority I think are more interested in PVE and not the chance encounter with a toxic crew that might ruin a couple of hours of gameplay because they’re a bit sensitive or too young to cope, if the toxicity and the cheating were to be addressed, this probably wouldn’t be happening, but that’s just my personal opinion.
Of course they are doing this because of Skull and Bones and the decline in active players. This should have been available since launch. It’s the idiots that make a living from PvP that fought tooth and nail to keep this from happening for so long. Anybody who poops on the idea of safer seas is going to be boycotted by me. Fuck em.
I personally think safer seas is a great idea. As a disabled person i do not have the ability or reaction speed to play all these PVP games and having played SOT a little after launch and not being able to enjoy any of the game this is a welcome change. I know, I know i should go play Candy Crush and be happy i can just play a game. I just always loved the idea of SOT and now maye i can play for more than 5 minutes without ending up dead.
Can you imagine the safer seas to be offline Full Single player pve Expierience where you always can pause and resume every time you need. I would love to do voyages, vaults, forts and so on. My biggest struggle is that I never can play more then 2 hours in a row. That would be amazing.
A modest take on Safer Seas. My only question is why is there a really large fixation on people earning Pirate Legend? I understand when the game released many moons ago that was THE "thing" to achieve due to the difficulty of being emissary-less Over the years Pirate Legend has become a stepping stone on the path to true mastery of the game, and Sea of Thieves require a balance of both PVP and PVE to truly be called a master of the seas. Sure you might be a quickswap sweat god that can skeet a parrot off a bell at 100 paces... but if you have to abandon ship when a Kraken grabs you, then you're still not quite there. And I feel like the current day Pirate Legend is the same. It just means you know how to use a dig spot, you know how to kill a skeleton, and you know how to find a shipwreck; and those are all things that can be achieved in solace... adding PvP to the mix just adds frustration and confusion. So yes Safer Seas will be a shortcut to Pirate Legend, but that isnt as significant as enveloping yourself into all aspect of the game. To me, being a Pirate Legend, just means you know the basics. I believe a new benchmark needs to be used to determine Pirate "Legendary". The Curses. The new legendary status should be : Gold Curse (for being able to tell a good story), Blessing/Skeleton Curse (for mastery of combat), Ashen Curse (for mastery of Treasure...uh findery), And then the true elites on the sea can go further: Gold PvP Curses (Sweat) + Legendary Hunter of The Sea of Thieves (Patience) + Legendary Hunter of the Shrouded Ghost (Luck) That should be the new Pirate Legend, and Beyond!
Honestly, this might be what actually gets me into the game. I bought it, but never played it because trying to learn a new game, conquer my thalassophobia *AND* deal with toxic/more experienced PvP scenarios at the same time was just too much for me to even think about. Remove the last one and I can balance the two former hurdles. Hell, part of why I bought it was so I could try and work through my intense fear of the ocean in a safe, controlled way. I'm not gonna be even remotely close to ready to deal with PvP in any form until I've managed that, otherwise every interaction with other players is just gonna be a constant array of overwhelming fear of being sunk or knocked overboard, and dealing with the ocean unexpectedly. If I wanted a game to terrify me to the point I can barely function, there's plenty of games like phasmophobia out there for me to do that. I want to enjoy the things Sea of Thieves is *meant* to provide for me to enjoy. I'd handle PvP better once I overcome my fears and get comfortable with the game's mechanics.
The same people who complain about the existence of Safer Seas are the creators of the problem. These servers are a consequence of the extreme toxicity that new players have been subjected to for years, and this, coupled with server stability problems and cheaters, has led Rare to make a decision that goes against their core idea of what SoT is all about. "It's a pirate's game", the excuse to justify any kind of behaviour within the game. Well, I'll be very honest with you -> Thanks to your "Pirate Game" concept, the game is at its worst, you have kicked out so many people and created such a low player retention, that it had to come to this point. You have reaped the fruits that you have spent so many years sowing, now don't cry. Every act has its consequences, here you have the result of years of grifeing, abuse and toxicity. Pray that the idea works and that a lot of new people come to play, because if not, the future of SoT is very black.
Bottom line: Why does anyone care how someone else advances? It has zero effect on anyone else's game. Everyone's character stays equally killable, your pirate legend gear doesn't stop swords or bullets. I hope this is just a first step towards true PvE servers.
Because streamers are selfish pricks that make money from streaming the game and most of them do more PvP then PvE. They don’t even play the game like most of the players do. They sail with skilled mates with thousands of hours and play on easy mode. Ignore them they are extremely biased.
I'm looking forward to all the crying from the sweats when Safer Seas starts in December. They are going to be so sad to see all their easy sinks go away. The real tears start when they realize they will have to work for their sinks after that.@@RangerFPS
All valid points but im curious to hear your reasons on why you think the level caps on safer seas are too high, beyond the PL argument. Why does it matter? So what if john from dallas ontario gets to gold hoarder level 40 without seeing another player? Why is it a problem for anyone else?
I think the issue currently was server hoper/outpost camper, because nothing worse then getting 2-4 hours of loot just to lose it to some players who just got on,the 75% decrease I think is great because some of the accoundation aka the 100-500 chest ones I would rather just spend a day grinding on an empty server
Personally I think safer seas is something that should have happened a long time ago as it felt inevitable, the game is at its core a cosmetic grind with extremely high risk for it. And I don’t care about the gold or commendations at all, sometimes I want to jump in sink a skelly ship after a garbage 50 hour work week then call it a night. Wish I had time to really sink into this game and learn but I don’t, and jumping in the last 5 times all I had was a solo sloop and immediately got chased down and sunk, after a already garbage work week it sucks, so this news is welcome to me.
Something no one has addressed is the fact that Rare has at its disposal all of the millions of non-cheating players to report cheaters but because of the excessive and ridiculous hoops they have to jump through, well, leaves most to say, um forget it. You must be recording and then upload it somewhere or have an editing program to put it in a lower quality than it was recorded in just to attach it to this ticket format and answer tons of questions. How about making it easier to report and some immediate action taken? Even when done perfectly, the bozos run around for hours and hours on their alt accounts doing blatant cheating, like teleporting WITH kegs onto your ship a few times and sinking you, a mile away from their boats or land.
I don't understand why people are against this.. That some people choose to go to a PvE server don't affect us at all. And it's not like PL is such a special thing that I am salty that they will now be able to get to level 40 easy. Good for them. Also, it's the levels after 40 that are hard... I think this is great for new players and players that would rather quit the game than to play on high seas. I hope this brings much more hype to the game and gives it a new life!
@@TheJizel I wasn't talking about her. This is the general point most people use, that the level 40 is to high. Some also want money cap. It was a general comment.
@caspix But she explained exactly why she thinks level 40 is too high, lol. She didn't just say "level 40 is too high." Maybe other people have made statements like that and not elaborated, but she went into specific detail about why level 40 is too high. And you're making a comment on HER video where SHE talks about, so I don't understand why you would make a general comment here about it without taking her opinion into account. 🤷♂
Yes, and I hear it. But I am talking in general since this debate is all over the internet right now. Here, reddit, twitter, tiktok. And many have the same view even if Kraken doesn't. @@TheJizel
I think Safer Seas will bring more people to the game and once hooked, many of them will change over to High Seas to get past the limitations of Safer Seas. Overall, I think it will be a good thing for the health and future of the game.
Nope. People will stick to Safer Seas because that in particular made them interested. SoT will then either make SS it's own actual mode that respects PVE'ers, or SoT WILL crash and burn and be left to finally die. Arena died because people DON'T want PVP; they want to grief. Hourglass died because people DON'T want to PVP; they want to grief. SoT will die because people DON'T want to PVP; they want to grief. Either SoT starts respecting PVE, or it WILL die.
3:25 Lets hang on ONE second here.. The sea of thieves stories and plots all mostly involve static NPCs that shout directives. There's no room for flair, there's no space for autonomy. The SECOND that last adventure started with the fake pirate lord, I knew it was a ruse, but I had nowhere to go but back and forth from an outpost to an island, and eventually followed a REALLY exciting rat through a hole... just to find out what I knew from the start. It was a trick and the Pirate Lord chastised me for not thinking hard enough about what I was getting into. It's high time that Rare stops receiving any kind of praise about their world-building or implemented storylines. We get overlong cutscenes that add nothing to the actual experience of being a pirate on this game. I've maintained for years that the devs do not play SoT, and don't know what it's like out there.
Level 40 isnt that bad really because you have to look at it from a total xp perspective instead of a numbers one. What i mean is lvl 40/50 is 80% of the way towards PL right? No… I remember reading on forums back in the day that 42 I think was the half way mark for total xp required to reach PL. So in a way this is LIKE it being set to 25/50 like most people want in the end.
For those unhappy with the PVE servers your not thinking it through very well. If you want PVP you'll be in a server filled with players who want PVP and have better odds of having a full server because of it. If your truly unhappy with it I think it's probably because your the type of pirate that only enjoys PVP when the other ship doesn't because it's an easy sink. Now you cheating low life pirates can deal with others just like you and I think it's poetic. Ofcourse not all PVPers are like this but we all know there's one on every server.
My Honest Thoughts. this is GREAT news GREAT FANTASTIC JOY FOR ALL PVE PLAYERS ,HATE THE PVP , LOVE THE GAME. oh also dont tell me that i suck pvp ok thanks u very much
As someone who just "enjoyed" his first night ever in the game, most of it being griefed while trying to just practice sailing, I can confidently say Safer Seas cannot come soon enough.
Love your take on this. My only disagreement is the bit about players developing bad habits. Im looking at safer seas as a stepstone in the learning curve. When players graduate themselves to high seas they will have things to relearn… but this is straight forward and to be expected. they’ll now be able to focus on those pvp elements without having to also learn the basic functionality of playing the game. I think its a win.
You make some good points about the new players being able to master the basics without being overwhelming by trying to figure out all the mechanics at once, but I think Kraken nailed it in terms of not developing a sense for PvP at all. It's not that these players will develop bad habits, it's that they won't develop any applicable habits at all. How can they prepare for PvP in a world devoid of it? Fights with skeleton ships might be the closest thing, but even that doesn't compare. We'll see how it goes, but I think a lot of these players might get to level 40 and just give up if / when they get rolled from PvP on the High Seas.
@@TheJizel I believe what Jay is saying is that when they swap or go to the High Seas they will *know* other players are out there and can attack them. They will, hopefully, be aware of that and be a little more conscientious of this. And if they leave the game entirely because of the PvP or they get sunk a few times, well they would've done that even without the Safer Seas option. With SS they will at least stay playing the game and have some investment in staying active and playing.
@@zarris2635 Sure. I agree it's a good move from a business perspective: You want people to at least play to a certain point before giving up rather than giving up right away. I just think it's not really going to do them any favors when they hit the High Seas. I think most will quit immediately or soon after they experience that adversity for the first time. I really don't think anything in Safer Seas will prepare them for it outside of maybe sharper basic mechanics (which IMO won't really move the needle). But we shall see.
@@TheJizelwell if you believe they will quit anyway after leaving safer seas, then what do you think would happen if they didn't enter safe seas to begin with? Where is the logic m8?
@@MXedits_1 Huh? I clearly explained what I thought would happen: they quit right away because it’s too much for them to handle. So if you’re viewing this from the perspective of it’s better to get them up to level 40 before they leave as opposed to them leaving right away, great. Rare is clearly viewing it that way too and like I said, it makes sense from a business perspective because it’s a potential increase in revenue. From the perspective of the player though, I generally don’t think Rare is doing these people any favors when it comes to transitioning to the High Seas. It’s just a matter of moving the goalposts in terms of when they end up quitting and I don’t think that does anything for the overall long term health of the sandbox element of the game.
It's more of a training wheels thing I'd say. 30 percent earnings with no flag is... not a lot. It should mean that the people in high seas servers will know what they are doing to a larger extent, so that means more loot to steal for pvp players, and better crews means world events will be cycled faster, so more pve. Also, we are finally able to do a tall tape without someone screwing us over
@@Kriegsman17 yes, so when they will come to high seas, theyll get destroyed by other players because they will have no gamesenae, thus either making them delete the game or go back to safer seas
It seems to me like all the RUclipsrs who are good at PVP don't like this change. I wonder why. The only people this will bring to the game are people that don't want to PVP in the first place. Very out of touch imo.
I personally believe the Safer Seas is ok, keep in mind the lvl 40 cap is also slower reputation and no emissary flags. So it will take even longer to get. But it would make some of the most miserable items (like merchant commendations) tolerable to do. P.S. The new Siren Skull sounds fun as hell. But I had to quit because I was running into hackers daily in about 20-30ish minutes of gameplay. Legends Week? I played for one day. Had a hacker teleport the chest of fortune out of the vault before fort was done. Made me so mad. My friend continued all week and it became the normal, if Fortune was up. 90% someone would join, TP it out, done. So what stops hackers from teleporting in, snagging the skull off your ship as you reach the outpost, and boom its gone. Plus they enable some sort of "streamer xbox mode" so their name doesnt appear on recently played with and unless you catch them on camera (physically see them and their name). Its a waste. If you snag one guy, they will use a new profile and relog into SoT. High Risk, High Reward loot, is just an invitation for hackers to troll you. Unless Rare commits to an actual anti-cheat and report system (not just video clips), then the siren skull might be fun.
Every time i try to get back into the game i get killed by really toxic crews so i just never play it but this will change that because i wanna explore
Honestly I think custom servers should definitely be a thing, where you can set some rules or adjust settings to your liking, to what you feel is fair for solo or group play. Since everyone has their own preferences of playing I think it would benefit everyone as they can decide the gold or rep reduction, or whether they're allowed to interact with certain factions or take up emissary flags, instead of Safer Seas we should have that
All this carping about PvE servers...... You do realize that there are SoT players who would be quite content to NEVER do PvP? They want to fight skellies or dig up treasure or haul cargo or fish or do siren shrines or tall tales or just sail around and enjoy the ambience. They don't want to fight anybody. They don't want to be interrupted in what they are doing. They don't want to feel victimized and bullied. They don't like the paranoia that at any second a larger ship filled with more experienced fighters might swoop out from behind an island and step on them like a bug. I ask you, why do YOU want that? What kind of achievement is it to sink a ship full of peaceful people who don't want to fight? Why does that make you happy? If making other people unhappy and/or mad is your kind of fun, seek help. I applaud these new private servers and a lot of my friends who quit the game in disgust at all the cheating and toxic PvP are planning to return in December to enjoy a good sail without the threat of having their day ruined by people who won't take NO for an answer.
Heres the thing. One of the greatest parts of the game is doing quest and playing with friends then possibly having to defend your loot. Thats the part of this game that so many people love. I think the PVE will just really be used by people that might want to calmly fish or just sail after a day of work. I don’t think the safe seas will really take away from the main game experience. Sure there might be a few less people on the seas but the ones who stay will most likely be a better community because now we have more to unite us. Please tell me your thoughts
Yep. As someone who doesn't like PvP, I'll stay on the high seas anyway. The idea of safer seas is great, but with level caps, no emissaries, no captained ships, there's no point for me to play there, maybe except for finally getting that gold curse. So I'm not going anywhere, I'll keep crying that sweaty brigantines sink me while I solo sloop :P
its just going to make servers ALOT less populated, players that have played for a long time don't want to do the content for the loot, they want to PVP and take the loot, while those who want to get the loot don't like PVP so they are going to be on PVE servers, so its going to be dead servers where crews are just hopping from server to server in hopes someone might have something or is attempting to do something to take worse than it already is.
@@brianpancotto8829 im hoping that people will realize that the percentage of loot gained in safer seas isn’t worth the convenience. So i think people will accept the risk of being sunk for the chance of a much larger pay out. And also emissaries aren’t in safe seas so theres that
Ok I’ve been thinking about the whole safer seas thing for a bit and i mean I’m coming around to it but I’ve been thinking about the whole getting to level 40 in safer seas and then jumping over to high seas For the remaining 10 levels what if they make Pirate legend 75 now or to make it a little bit more I guess a grind what if they make it level 75 and you have to have every commendation and title unlocked In gold holders order of souls merchant alliance And reapers bones now yes merchant alliance would probably be the trickiest to get every commendation and title in because of the cannonball fruit and wood creat voyages Cause they can’t be done unless you find them in barrels but surely they could make them buyable voyages Yes keep it so you can still find it barrels but add it so you can buy them as well it will make those commendations a lot easier
I don’t think people realize how slow the grind really will be on safer seas. Yeah it’s 30%, but also no emissaries, so it’s really 12% of what a grade 5 emissary would be in terms of gold an reputation. For example, if you can make 100k/hr which is reasonable on the high seas, you’d make 12k/hr on safer seas. Meaning you’d need 689 hrs grinding gold just to get enough for the DA sails. In terms of rep it took me 14.5 hrs solo as an experienced player to get PL on a new account. That would take 120 hrs on safer seas, and these players won’t be hard grinding anyway. So I don’t see it as a free gold/rep grind. It’s going to be much better on high seas. It just filters out the tall talers and completely new players
Im all for it. Ive tried to bring people in, but because maiden voyage, doesnt cover everything, you try to teach them and get hit by other crews. I hate doing pvp vs people who dont know what they are doing. I prefer a challenge.
I can see the siren song voyage being very drawn out. One crew starts running with one item and it’ll take a million years to finish. It would be cool if the two items were magnetised and forced themselves together.
@@NedVargaryes I was and it’s the worst thing in game. It already takes on average 15 minutes to leave port. I loved the arena long queues but little to no down time in pvp.
Honestly I see this as a 100% absolute positive. -Safe enviroinment for people to learn the game, meaning that the people who will come from safer seas into the regular game will be better and have more fun since they won't drop the game the first time they get stomped by a sweaty 4 man crew of reapers. -People who like to open crew won't get potatoes for crewmates as often. -Safe way to play with children or to simply relax with friends without high stakes. -Tall Tales will become exponentially more enjoyable. -It will only earn 30% gold and rep, meaning it'll take a lot longer to grind faction ranks. This is the most important point. If they gave 100% everything in safer seas, a lot of people would never play regularly and that would make the servers even more empty than they already are. But this reduced rate and lv 40 cap will mean once people reach lv40, they'll venture out, and the seas will still stay populated.
I understand what you are saying. I just don't have time to play for hours after work and create content. So going out to sea and 2 hours later, well there was no victory. But I totally understand how to improve from your mistakes. It's something I would do if I had the time. As much as I love the game, I had to make a decision that maybe Sea of Thieves wasn't for me, even though I wish it was
Great video! First one I see from you so I subbed ;). In my honest opinion, they should make 100% everything-in PVE servers (minus functional reaper faction). PVE and PVP minded people will never agree, no matter how you put it. Fact is that this game is to beautiful and needs both PVP and PVE servers. The PVP people will have a better experience because all the people on the server will be competitive and like-minded (and also a little more salty). PVE players are mostly just in it for the relaxation this game offers, which honestly so many times I play, is not a fact. Problem is that most PVP minded persons will have a 'problem' with how 'easy' the game would become. And now with Safer Seas, PVE players are happy that they finally get some scraps from RARE. I became a Pirate legend while the game was out for like 2 months. I grinded A LOT! PVP-ed A LOT. And I enjoyed the game A LOT. But I am no PVP player, as I am not good at it. I hate PVP and that's also the reason I stopped playing Sea of Thieves a long time ago. PVP stresses me out, salty PVP players chased me away, and everything that RARE was saying was "This game is NOT for you". Though the game itself (PVE wise) is just so good, so yeah, it is a game for me... On top of that, I got LOADS of commendations that will be much easier to get in Safer Seas, but I don't care that now PVE minded people can get them as well without the hassle and threat of PVP. So safer seas, yes, I call it a good start. PVP vs PVE people, lay down your arms and lets both enjoy this game without going at each other's throat IRL.
People claiming that they are being "Ignored" about anti-cheat need to chill. If players consider cheating such an obvious issue, then it should also be obvious for the devs that it needs to be adressed. Thank you for the video, Kraken. I don't think the community will get any better at being patient, but I have hope for a good future for SoT.
I'm mainly excited for safer seas so I can do the story. I love the feel of the game but I don't have any friends that play it, I've barely played any of it at all. For me, Once I finish the story then I'll feel like I can be free for PVP, and hopefully by then find people to play with.
In my view, I think a lot of people are missing just what kind of teaching Safer Seas will bring about. The major split for Safer seas are people debating on if Safer Seas will prepare new players for PvP properly or not. To me, that argument is sort of missing the point, because its not trying to teach players how to PvP, but instead nudging them into the right mindset to help them figure it out easier and with less frustration. In Game design when crafting enemies, a strategy as old as time is to have enemies not just get entirely new powers, but also modify the existing patterns which allowed you to defeat them. Such as perhaps a level 1 enemy colored blue can only be damaged if you shoot it in the head. Then on then next level, a red variant of that enemy appears that can deflect attacks aimed at its head back at the player. It still has the same core ending. Shoot the head to win. It's just now theirs a new variable you have to account for. But the key is you already understand the core solution, you just need to find a new way too it. This is where I think Safer Sea's will shine in showing new players the ropes. It's true, it will not prepare new players entirely for a galleon to roll up on them. But due to their encounters in Safer Seas skeleton ships, they will know enough concepts to make the situation of "how do I defeat this galleon?" That much easier to solve. To take the example I used before. Skeleton ship is the blue enemy, player galleon is the red. Both require the same core concept to defeat: Shoot holes in the right places so the ship floods with water and sinks. Because the player had previous experience and time to experiment with the Blue enemy, they know things like "This is where I shoot to make water start flooding the ship." "If I shoot the cannons on the other ship, it will knock the ones using them back and they won't be able to fire back effectively." Or even. "If I go over to their ship, I can spawn camp them and stop them from repairing or firing back." But now their's the red ship that takes those same concepts and twists them. Now this ship can board you and try to spawn camp you. This ship can fire on YOUR cannonline to stop you from firing. Skeleton ships could maybe shoot your mast down (informing you its possible), but player ships will specifically try too to slow you down. Its this natural progression that will make PvP encounters easier to swallow, because instead of running around like headless chickens as they have NO idea what's going on they will have basic abilities that, hey, MIGHT even let them get a win! Lets be honest everyone talks about double gunning sweat lords, but most of the time when encountering another ship on the seas? just the ability's I've described before (Shooting lowers, shooting the cannon line, boarding) is enough to secure a sink on the average player. And even if they do sink, putting the basics in the practice will show a tangible effect which will give them the confidence they need to make that jump. The idea that "I was that new player, I got beaten down and had to choose to get back up." Is appropriate, but I also feel is a bit too harsh. Because it takes a specific kind of person to be utterly beaten to a pulp over and over again and still get back up. That's the barrier new players have. But what could make that beating SO much more bearable to the average person is the ability to look at the person beating them and see they gave them a black eye in return. "That ship sunk me. But I managed to board them and kill one!" "That was so close, I actually managed to get their masts down!" "I was on their boat and they had so much water they hit second deck! We'll definitely get them next time." With Safer Sea's ability to properly give players time to learn the blue enemies. When they get to the red? This won't be the like... 5th, 10th, or 15th time they get into a fight with another player. These thoughts will be on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
The only other players on sea of thieves have been grieving trash. Never once have I encountered any cool people in this game unless I already knew them. The whole never know when a ship rolls up on you Is straight bull shit. You getting attacked it's that's damn simple. The game is great the community is toxic af. Making this game unplayable for me in its current state.
SOME risk, medium reward. Remember if this is a new player and a skele ship or a kraken or a meg shows up, that's a threat! Thats risk no matter how trivial it is to a lvl 1million-yolo pirate god. ;)
i played a lot of time to and almost all of the time solo i quit like 3 mouths ago im tired of the fighting im a rly busy person now and i just want some chill play but sot are for sure not for casuel players that just want some chill time dont get me wrong i loved the pvp in the beginning i think its okay but i agree with you on the lvl cap that should be max 20 maybe rare has problems with the player counts now and want to bring the casuel players back most of the casuel players are quiting because of getting all the time sunken
Safer seas will mainly be used by new players and players who just wanna chill and not get into fights. SoT is a dying game and this will bring some back and extend the length new players stick with the game. I've known many that got dumpstered on first day and never picked it back up, Just because you did doesn't mean others will. You may never see these players but they may still get to enjoy the game for some time which is a win in my book. For those wanting pvp. this will increase the chances of the other ships in your server to be the same, your likelihood of coming across noobs, runners and tall talers will be significantly less. As for level caps and commendations. It has no impact on your game so who cares really. I got PL before emissaries which was a grind in itself. having the same but at only 30% gold and rep will be even more of a grind and for a lot of people that'll give them plenty of time to enjoy the game and learn the basics fighting pve so that the jump to high seas they'll at least have some basic skills and can learn the fighting side after without having to learn everything all at once. It probably won't bring me back to the game as I've done most of what it has to offer but if I have a mate that wants to try it. I'll jump on Safer Seas with them to hopefully help them enjoy the game and get used to it before they take the dive into High Seas. Safer is will also be good for casual players who just want a chill time every once in a while, It doesnt mean they'll go to it every time. It doesnt have to be all one or the other
Absolutely right. Your take shows more maturity and empathy than her does. She’s heavily biased and makes money off of PvP so best to ignore what she has to say because it’s just so selfish.
People playing on Safer Seas will form bad habits is not a strong point. They will still have the ability to learn the PvP side of the game. There are plenty of guides on PvP.
Tbh, I don't think this feature will impact the game much at all. I doubt there is that many who wants to play safer seas with so little reward income. But, it also can be a good "tutorial" server for new players.
"No one should be made to feel bad about how they choose to enjoy a sandbox game... but in my opinion you shouldn't be able to play and progress the game unless you play how I think it should be played." As a player who pre-ordered in 2018, Safer seas will be a pointless addition. People who don't like PvP, don't feel suddenly more interested just because they can play "a little before going into PvP". Pirate legend never really meant anything. People used to just buy the scrolls to push levels even way back then. The gatekeeping of cosmetic rewards is so bizarre to me. Sea of thieves was an entirely different game in 2018. Forts, skeletons, chickens and PvP. that's all the content there was. Compared to now, that's not even close. There's so much to do and enjoy without ever running into another player. (and most of the time, far more enjoyable than running into another player). Having played for 5 years, It's not a "I wonder what that ship of the horizon is up to". I know what they're up to. They are hostile. They are always hostile and if they aren't immediately hostile, they are waiting for the chance to be. Even if we form an alliance with other players, we warn them up front to take the free cut and stay away or we'll consider them enemies and sink them.
All the problems that people have been saying Safer Seas are "preventing people from learing" aren't being added suddenly. They're being delayed. A player knowing nothing getting sunk on their first time playing might make them uninstall. Safer Seas will allow players to love the game in a new way. Not all the players who play the game will have had the same trials any more. AND THAT'S GOOD. How is more types of players having a way to enjoy the game anything other than a net-positive?
Tbh bad, I also don't see a point when it caps at lvl 40 The most growth comes from the interaction of other players, you either learn or you don't It's like the Anakin lesson in Ashoka, "Live or Die you choose"
Kraken, you've set yourself apart from some other partners for me to a certain degree. I've quit since S8 due to the cheating, moved on to other things, and don't feel even remotely listened to by Rare when I voice my frustrations at the cheating issue. I think that this problem is only further magnified by many Partners either keeping silent on the issue or, worse, actively mocking those who are calling for anticheat. Thank you for voicing our concerns. I hope that Rare not only listens but ACTS, though with S10 announced and nothing but crickets on this front I'm not holding my breath anymore.
i understand PVP players love PVP, but PVP is the reason I didn’t purchase the game, now that the game has PVE servers, I can’t wait to play safer seas with my friends as coop fun.
Just like the world toxic people ruin a good thing. Their game is dying because it appeals to all ages but enables the worst. This is simply why EVERY survival game has pve servers, why EVERY pvp mmo has failed. There are not a ton of people who want to constantly be sweaty when playing a video game, no matter how good it is. I can finally play with my loved ones again because they will finally give it a chance again. “No risk” you clearly haven’t run into a kraken and a skele galleon at the same time with a wife and a kid. Hard enough to deal with, then throw in the jerks in the sloop who kill your repairs. It’s a great addition. I missed out on trying to get my family into this game the same way I did. Sure I’m one of the people that got better instead of quitting, but I also was around for beta and the early years, where almost every interaction with people was genuinely fun, going after the hunger, doing the first tall tales with a small fleet! When I got my family to play with me a year ago, we had zero positive interactions with other crews, and then we were angry and sunk a galleon full of kids once… who were asking why we did that after we sunk em and one was crying… i didnt care anymore it was such a horrible experience it soured everything I thought of it before and turned my wife and 9 year old away…
Players are NOT going to stay on the safer seas. The rewards are 70% lower and you do not get to unlock everything. I know of eight different people who quit entirely because they were new players and got spawn camped by assholes without even being able to learn and truly understand the basics of working as a crew. Giving new players a safe space to actually figure out the fundementals while practising their navel combat on skeleton ships is absolutely healtheir for the game, especially with how sweaty a lot of the "old time" players are.
I mean it's a good thing for new player or family play chilling without get destroy and troll (they just don't play again) by experienced player who made pvp all the day and content . Safe server is good too for some succes farm. For exemple all the siren shrine succes or other succes like Umbras or glitterbeard too etc.
It's a pvPVE game. Everyone can play the pve parts, earn gold and reputation without any pvp. On the other hand, you can't earn gold and reputation in pvp without someone playing pve content, because no pve=no treasure. pvp is just a small part of the game, regardless of what the devs are saying. If it's meant to be a pvp game with a small or almost equal pve part, the devs have missed their own goal. Only 20 percent of the game is pvp (if you look at the companies).
Lets be honest though, will the high seas experience die because of the addition of safer seas? not likely looking at the amount of people who are seemingly against the idea, there been so many narrow minded as well as selfish opinions on this, we had our PvP season, we can't just be happy when we get something and the other person doesn't, then get upset when the roles get reversed, this is something so small yet people are making so much noise about it and when you take a moment to think about it this might even mean having more consistent encounters with people on the high seas willing to engage in PvP as the rest will be off in their little safe zone ^^
It’s not balanced in its current form but in the opposite way that you think. There’s no reason to have a 70% gold/rep nerf in addition to disabling the use of emissary flags. That’s just plain dumb. They are messing with the formula for how satisfying it feels to sell treasure, to play the game. Rare has no control over whether or not a player enjoys PvP. And the sooner they realize it’s not their job to convert people to be a PvP enjoyer the better off Sea of Thieves will be both in popularity and in revenue generation. L take from you.
sea of thieves is just not a game where I value a pvp experience. If i want a pvp experience there's just so many other games to do it far better. So i down to try this new pve mode without being bothered.
Soooo, I bought the game solely because of safer seas. I only get into high seas when I'm with friends, and none of us are hardcore pvpers anyway. Did I gain any bad habits by playing tall tales in safer seas first? Not really. I learned fairly quickly things like not to stay anchored, or to never anchor on a sloop, at the same pace I would have if I jumped right in. I will never like pvp, I'm too anxious for that, but safer seas let me dip my toes in and find other reasons to love the game before having a sloop with a KKK reference grief me until I scuttled to a new sea.
My take on the PvE servers is they are not good with the current way they were added. I say this as someone with 10k+ hours, all commendations completed and competed in PvE tournaments and PvP tournaments at the higher level and won both kinds at some point. Also have played since launch. The main problems: Earning progression and achievements. Lack of preparation for new players for when they will want to progress past the cap. Lack of content for the streaming and video making side of the game (which is very important.) The potential to completely ignore the state of PvP and cheaters if focus falls from the main side of the game. The first problem: Earning and progression. The only thing in the game and the end goal is earn cosmetics, any way you look at the game and anything you do in it is for cosmetics or ticks commendation boxes and this is inarguable. So therefore the only reason to play the game would be for either the aesthetics or the grinding. But the grinding would have little to no meaning behind it. So the only way to make the main reason to play the game still mean something would be to add pve servers but make it specifically give no gold, commendations, or achievements. This already exists though and it's called private servers but they are locked to where only sea of thieves official partners can host them. The second problem: The lack or preparation new players will have when they want to progress past the cap. Some argue that the PvE servers are a safe space to help new players learn the game which can then lead them into the "high seas" but this just simply won't be true. The way it works now is new player goes with no experience and sinks to someone who does have a small/medium/or large amount of playtime because they are more experienced then the new player trys to get better/keep trying or they leave. What will happen after the update, new players will go into safe seas get to level 40 and then want to get pirate legend and go the high seas to progress further and then run into someone who has little/medium/ or large amounts of pvp skills and still get ran over and either try again or leave the game. But this time they had some of their time wasted progressing to realize the game wasn't for them and they already capped out for the portion they wanted to play. New players will still lose if they have no pvp experience, this won't change their chances of winning because they never PvPed and just gives them false hope and wastes their time. The third problem: Lack of content for streaming and the video making side of the game. This is so important i can not stress this enough, no game has ever lived if no one wants to watch it or have fun getting into it. Most of the people i know got into this game because they saw some sort of streamer they liked play it or a RUclipsr they watched make a video on it and it peaked their interests enough to play. The main content for the game is either PvP streamers or content streamers being through interactions or how they they play the game. With the lack of new players in these servers content streamer will only have the interactions with mostly sweaty players or people who wont reciprocate the roleplay because all of those players went to PvE servers to enjoy it more and then the PvP streamers or the people who win most of their fights and stream it and people like to watch that will now run into less boats overall that are carrying loot or a reaction to losing, which kinda sounds scummy but that's what a lot of people enjoy watching. They want to see the other people losing and they watch streamers for that. Without streamers and RUclipsrs any game dies and this will lower the overall content side of the game that people enjoy which is seeing new players and having less sweaty interactions. The last reason i could think of for now is that the game could completely abandon the idea of the adventure mode of the game and ignore fixing thing in it or ignore the cheating problem. Some people might think that it would be extreme for them to remove adventure but I'm telling you it probably has a chance depending on how the update is liked or disliked. They have done this in the past with removing arena and this is comparable because the reason they removed arena was because it was played by a small percentage of players
I think you are right on the money with some of your points, but with other points regarding safer seas, you couldn't be more wrong. Tall tales is fine to keep to higher seas, meeting other pirate crews in a pirate world is part of the immersiveness. Do it with a friend eventually. Treasure hunts where other pirate crews wants it too and is willing to kill you for it, pretty realistic in a pirate setting. I suggested a similar feature on reddit to serve as an extended tutorial, and wrote that it should be time limited to a certain amount of play time. Rare has the technology to do so. 48 hours and then you can't start a session anymore, but you can still be invited to one (if you want to help friend/family/kid learn about the game.) I also really agree with your thoughts about the change in value on PL and gold, and it's a pattern I see whenever new content/updates comes in Sea of Thieves, the old content gets abandoned, redundant, forgotten, insignificant etc. The content becomes Abandonware. Pirate Legend should be renamed to something like seeker of fortune which gives access to some of the athenas fortune stuff. While certain conditions should be met before you could get PL - 2 of each ship type owned - top level in each faction except pvp factions - 5 cosmetics of each type where 3 needs to be some that are unlocked by commendations. The reaper faction should be the thief faction, servants of the flame and reaper faction combined and so forth, piracy means stealing and outside the reaper faction, that is only encouraged through merchant alliance.
At my advanced age I have no interest in PvP any more, so Safer Seas is where I'll be playing to chill out. I have zero interest in High Seas and it's content. The PvP players won't be "losing" potential players because they wouldn't want to bother with PvP anyway.
This was so well done, and I completely agree with you!! For one, I'm SUPER excited for this new voyage and can't wait to try it out! I also agree with the fact that Safer Seas does seem like a good addition in a way I didn't even expect. I do think the levels need to be cut, at least even in half to ~25 instead of 40. But regardless, I think this is the right time to add this. Thanks for breaking it down in this video!
I hope it stays the same on safer seas. I could care less about the sea of thieves community. Im not wasting 4 hours of my time for someone else. Safer seas give pve players a sense of accomplishment
Great take! I don't think the concern of people moving from Safer Seas to the High Seas and not understanding things like don't anchor pointed at an island is too big of a concern personally, as new players don't know that anyway and this more or less breaks up the learning curve, learn the game basics first, then player interaction best practices rather than all at once. It took me quite a while to learn some of these things just in adventure anyway. I can't really see players staying in Safer Seas very long personally, other then younger kids, it's just going to be such a grind, but we'll see. If I had younger kids still I would be so hyped for this option to play with them, and move them to the High Seas when they're older!
Exactly. Whenever I teach somebody the game they say that it’s so overwhelming since I have to go over the gameplay mechanics as well as best practices. If they can use these servers to learn how to sail, how quests/world events/sea forts/shrines and treasuries work I’m all for it. Then they can move on and learn how to scan the horizon, check for tucks, repel boarders, hit chain shots, deck shot, and so much more that doesn’t need to be taught day one, but can be frustrating if they don’t know in the high seas and you’re attacked.
Yeah that was a really bad argument for it. "Oh god if we let the children play in the kiddie pool they won't know how to swim when they jump into the big pool. That's why I propose we throw them into the deep end."
It would depend on the players themselves. I've owned the game since it came out and have under 10 hours because I suck at pvp (console, controller) and literally don't like pvp. I'm definitely going to play the game now, and with respect to advancing to pvp, it is a big nope for me. Like another commenter said, he would likely have advanced faster in pve than in pvp, having his stuff taken away constantly. And you are not going to know it takes twice the grind to advance if you don't play the High seas version.
I don't class them as pve servers they are pointlessly restricted either divide them equally or don't do it at all. I've played this game for 2 years and I've said all along Rare have not helped players to learn the art of pvp and that's the route of the problem ie you need a degree in science to fire a cannon accurately. It's OK saying oh just jump in the deep end and learn and streamers saying do this and do that but when you are just starting out every crew is sweaty and it is very disheartening for alot of people. As for the toxicity in the game Rare need to make the reporting system easier, have you ever tried reporting someone on an xbox?
It can only be a good thing. I only came back for SS. Otherwise, I would never have played SoT again. Safer Seas is going to bring people to SoT who may never have played because they hate PVP. The only people I see complaining are griefers who only want to attack PVE'ers and ruin their fun. Well, now PVE'ers have a place to have fun in peace. PVP'ers will still have High Seas to PVP. griefers will just have to fuck off and be miserable elsewhere. Win all around. :)
I want to call one thing I think you said inaccurately. Yes, you only need to go from 40 to 50 on High Seas to get Pirate Legend, but we all know that those last 10 levels require the equivalent experience of the initial 40. One way of looking at it, is that when you reach 40 you still have 40 more levels to go in each faction!
I'm going to have to stop you there. As a day one, never played before, player I turned off all of my lanterns on my sloop, kept a weary eye on the horizon 90% of the time, never left my ship anchored anywhere and kept the bow pointed to open water. So, what bad habits did I bring to the game? None. I did everything by the book and still haven't accomplished anything because after a long stressful day in the hell that is my life, I don't want to get into a game of all things and still have to be stress out. So no, I don't PVP, and I don't think PVP is the only thing in the world. I don't want to PVP, I don't care about the PVP, I just get off the game anytime a ship is going out of it's way to come towards me, I have stopped playing the game altogether because no matter how many server jumps I did I was always being attacked and could never get anything done. Everyone crying about SS are the people that tell everyone to stop playing SoT if they just want to chill and not fight every other player in the world. They are so brain dead that NOT wanting to do PVP just does not compute to them. You tell these idiots that you just want to fish and that's it, and they will tell you every time, "If you want to fish then get food at PVP to keep the fish you catch." Everything is 100% one sided with no concern for the other sided. If I have to spend twice as much time fighting to keep my fish as I do fishing then it will take me three times as long to get 1/3 the fish, totally not worth my time. So then I just wont play the game at all and then the idiots cry because the game feels empty. As I have told dozens of others everything happening to SoT currently is 100% because of you and everything you have done to destroy the game with the notion that PVP is the only thing the game is meant for. There is no point for any of the world events, forts, PVE, none of it, because nobody gets the time to themselves to actually do the events, and if they do get the time then there is guaranteed to be a tucker or a ship on the way to make sure they don't get the reward for doing it. And getting better at fighting isn't the solution because for every person killed there are 3 more on the way to steal. You have to be near god tear to even have a shot of actually being rewarded for anything you do in SoT, and its the people that are or spend all of their time playing that will tell you just to get better. Most of the player base only has a few hours at most a week to get on and try to have fun, and people that never get off the game are the ones ruining everything for them and then have the nerve to tell PVE players that it's their fault they are bad at the game. SS isn't just to show players how to play the game, many people know how the game works before even buying the game by watching all the RUclips videos out there covering every aspect of SoT, and the maiden voyage lets you figure stuff out from there. No, SS is to finally let EVERYONE play how they want, not just a tiny percentage of the player base playing how they want by not letting anyone else enjoy the game their way. And that's what has all the PVP'ers sweeting bullets. That all the PVE players will be more than happy to stay in SS permanently because they can finally just play the game how they want. PVE'ers don't care about huge amounts of gold, reputation, or cosmetics, we just like to play the game. When I recently came back to SoT in preparation for SS I deleted my character and made a new one, not like I was able to get anything unique unlocked for my character in the first place, I couldn't stay alive long enough to do anything. And if you're that worried about it, it's not like you haven't been spending the last 5 years making the main game a living hell for hundreds of thousands of players around the world, giving them no reason to ever want to be in High Seas ever again, right? Right? Oh wait! You absolutely have. Again, making the reason SS even needs to be a thing in the first place 100% your fault. Rare wants new players buying the game and playing long enough to buy cosmetics, and all any of the PVPers have been doing is making everyone return the game within a week of purchase.
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I understand its called sea of 'THIEVES,' but sometimes, i just want to be alone, doing tall tales, fishing, exploring the world without being attacked, seeing the entire SoT myself without having to constantly check my map for reapers and the like
And too many peoples seems to misread the word "thieves" for "murderhobo"
This isn't my treasure I'm digging up. Pretty sure that makes me a thief.
explore the world irl noob
Sure. But, people seem to forget that Pirates historically stole from "The Man", not from one another or the poor.
Pirate were mostly NOT murder-hobos with a griefing fetish.
Well we are basically stealing trasures from the server which the NPC's are guarding sooo safer seas is okay!
As someone who has been attacked while fishing, sailing after a stressful day at work or just wanted to try a tall tale and didn’t even bother because of getting destroyed by toxic players. It is an absolute joy to finally enjoy the game without the need to constantly look over my shoulder for threats. So to all PVP players now crying foul over safer seas. Myself and many others would like to offer you a tiny violin for your sorrow at safer seas.
Toxic sweats complain that they'll have to fight against crews who'll fight back and won't be able to grief solo sloopers and noobs.
@@SereglothIV SO much this. It's shocking how mad they are when they know it only takes 5 people to fill a pvp session.
violin? Nah imma press F on the world's smallest keyboard
losers haha go play girl dress up game big L
Totally agree with you! The SWARM of tryhards YIKES. I'm surprised they haven't spawned here yet, prolly sunbathing in Salty Sands ig
As someone who is not good at PVP at all i welcome the option. Sometimes i just want to feel a bit of freedom on the seas after work. Gold or Rep be damned when i can just explore, sail and do Tall tales in peace. Taking 2-3 hours of commitment on a voyage only to have it taken by "those" people puts me off the game for weeks. At the end of the day everyone plays the game their own way and i think Safer Seas will be an option for people who seek that specific experience.
I could have completed the tall tales faster with this safer seas. But, I'm looking forward to having somewhere to teach controls to people that are new before putting them with everyone.
By "those people", you mean normal players that play a game called sea of 'thieves'. The bigeest problem with SoT devs is they said they would never have PvE servers its goes against everything and the whole point of the game. If you think this is a win then you couldn't be more wrong, this is the final nail in the coffin in a desperate attempt to get anyone to play the game from all the players they have lost over the last year.
Your comment is proof that anyone that plays this mode is not going back to high seas, the whole point of this safe seas is to bed people into high seas. This is what happens when you tailor to people your game is not made for. You end up losing everyone...
@@mariospanna8389 By "those" people i mean racist, homophobic sweatlords with 3000 hours into the game and hackers that kill and slur indiscriminately, even if there's kids around. I do play normaly against others and "play the game as intended, bla bla" but when you run into a brig with 3 skellys as a solo and they chase you forever for your 50 canonballs you kinda don't want to put up with that sometimes.
@mariospanna8389 I think you missed the point of them doing it. They are doing it essentially because they know maiden voyage doesn't teach you all that it should and to add all that onto maiden voyage isn't feasible.
Plus, I agree with kraken, tall tales shouldn't be on the same servers as pvp. You should have a place to teach players the game.
And if you have an issue with the fact that some people are for it and disagree with you, you are part of the problem and reason why people are leaving because it's not the way you want it. Not everyone is into pvp.
You know what will be nice, not having someone appear on your ship out of nowhere, and teleporting around trying to kill you and your crew. Yes it happens and yes I have it on video.
@@mariospanna8389Found the toxic sweat that ruins everyone's days for the sole reason of "they existed"
I've been a pirate legend for a very long time, I've never enjoyed PVP in SOT.
I tend to put the game on when I want to chill out with a friend, she dislikes PVP so if we get bothered too much in a session she'll nope out.
Now I'll be able to get her through Tall Tales & we'll be able to use SOT as our chill out game so I'm over the moon for safer seas.
A few weeks ago I stated in a Reddit post that I would go back to the game in a heartbeat if I were able to do Tall Tales in peace. Guess I am finishing them after all.
Yassss, go get those curses and shanties ✨️
Tall tails are not hard in real SoT
@@sSteppingStones They never said Tall "Tales" were hard, just that they wanted to do them in peace.
@@TheRealSimSalaBim but they are easy even when being shot at, just camp the shooter till they leave
it would be easier if people just were not toxic. You spend weeks getting all your friends together for a voyage and you are attacked by a toxic crew and it just ruins the mood. Then you spend weeks solo again.
That's just human nature. That will never change.
maturity is definitely a huge component around it. There are people that can justify anything with the phrase "It's Sea of THIEVES" and not a lot can be done about it, but it doesn't stop hurting the community in the long run.
@@vandrar3nYou have treasure. I take that treasure. Not toxic. Now if someone uses slurs, that's toxic
@@nocomment9921My man getting philosophical over a video game
@@mountainrogue3448 its part of life brother. How you do one thing indicates how you do all things.
Honestly Safer Seas should have all the features in High Seas, if your playerbase chooses to play mostly on Safe Seas, maybe that means something about your game.
That's what they're going to find out, come december.
People are going to exclusively play Safer Seas, and the
only people left in High Seas are going to be PVP'ers
and griefers. Guess how much fun that will be?
@spankyjeffro5320, you're wrong. Would much rather not restrict the open world that generates interesting and fun scenarios out of nowhere. A huge part of that is the presence of other ships and players.
@gilbertboot572 no safer seas all the wayyyyyy
Couple points. Level 1 - 40 is half of the XP required to get from 1 - 50. So it's not as bad as you think.
As for people going from Safer Seas to Higher Seas and getting stomped by PvP. That's the same thing that would happen if they had gone straight into the Higher Seas from the get go. At least with playing the Safer Seas first they can get basic knowledge of the games systems and such. That way they don't have to learn how to sail at the same time as they are doing PvP.
Commendations need to be nerfed in safer seas.
I’ve been begging for this since the game first released. I don’t care about PvP, I don’t EVER want to play High Seas after this, I just love the chill mood the game provides when you just want to fish or hunt for treasure. My issue is that it’s being treated like a “lesser” or “beginner” mode. Safer Seas needs to be an equal mode to High Seas, the slower progression rate is fine, but uncap the reputation levels and let them play the content that doesn’t need player interactions.
Totally agree with you I'm crap at pvp and believe me I've tried having private server works for Rockstar with GTA so why not do it with SOT
They should have some kind of pvp toggle imo or have a certain part of the map a pvp zone.
I am a founder of the game and have been playing since the beginning. All of my companies are maxed and I have a lot of the stuff done. Now when I go on I just want to relax and play without having to pvp.
Respectfully, pvp has always been and will always be an integral part of this game. I’m pretty terrible at pvp myself, to a point where it makes me cry, and even I can see that. This is simply a stepping stone for players to get used to things before sailing on to high seas, or as you said, for nights when players don’t want to run into other players. This is as it should be.
@@edde333 they have mate hour glass but for the pvpers it's not enough. Safer seas is not going to teach anything other than pve unless your allowed to have 2 ships on a pve server so you can practice with friends. My biggest issue with this safe server is the restrictions pvp have the hour glass as a full pvp area yet to me a 30% of the gold limited levels no athena or reaper and no FOD or FOF to me your being punished for wanting to pve. Either go all in or don't put safer seas up
@@andyjoy5032 Yeah it's weird how much the limited PVE. 50% of PVP red and gold would have been fine considering many PVPers don't actually do anything other than yoink treasure from people actually doing content. So they get way more rep and gold AND they don't actually do any content.
I completely understand the need for safer seas even though I'm a PvP player because when I first started playing Sea thieves I ran into that problem where I got sunk every single time I played and didn't help that people would call me names and s*** I thought the game was so toxic. The only thing that brought me back to the game was my friends started playing it 2 months after I had quit. then I found a whole community of really nice people that helped me out and now I have 2,900 hours.
People opposed to this seem to forget theres a whole group of people who won't play adventure at all right now due to pvp. Some might not come back at all even still because of the restrictions though.
Which really stinks they have to restrict anything tbh. They're really missing out on an opportunity to bring everyone back. (And pull people from Alliance servers)
As everyone seems to constantly say, Sandbox game. Let people play where and how they want. I personally want a mode where i can be left alone without flocking to an alliance server for that luxury.
Absolutely. It’s not Rare’s job to convert people into PvP enjoyers. You cannot control people. You cannot force people to like PvP. Rare needs to swallow their pride and remove the 70% gold and rep nerf as well as enabling the use of captained ships in safer seas.
@@SoTStuffY’all that won’t work. what they are doing right now is dumb but that would be dumber If they did that the main severs would die the only people in them would be sweats and literally nobody would learn PvP. And if you think that’s fine you are wrong the Pve in this game cannot carry itself people will quit because of boredom and anytime someone tries to learn PvP they will be crushed. TLDR dumb idea would never work
@@SoTStuffwait I just read the part where you say rare needs to swallow their pride lmao. Dude if you don’t like PvP that’s fine but it ain’t a sign the game needs to change for you it’s a sign you need to change games.
Pirate Legend has never felt anything special for me. It's just some over priced cosmetics that aren't even the nicest the game has to offer. The draw to Sea of Thieves for me, is the unique art style of the game and world. Now players will have the option to experience and enjoy the world in a way they might prefer. For the adventure and hopefully over time, more story content to fill in everything new and returning players have missed out on.
I like to put myself on other types of players' shoes thinking on Safer Seas. I actually have some friends who think this world, these stories, these tall tales, these characters are wonderful and they wanted to experience all of them, but the sandbox aspect of encounters always kept them away from the game. It's a golden opportunity for me to play with them, to call them back to the game, and I'm the one who actually enjoys the game the other way around! I love the unexpected, traitors and allies, the RP on the game, but now I'm able to enjoy a whole bunch of the game, say the tall tales or maybe just exploring the beautiful world that the game has with these friends who just want a carefree session.
All of this also touches a bit on accessibility aspects, and I'm a very strong defensor of people being able to play games in the most meaningful and accessible way to them. This is a game I love, and if I can share the joys of it with more and more friends, while still enjoying the whole aspect of Higher Seas, it's a win win for me.
You kept it nice and thoughtful and you’re right. I agree. She’s wrong.
@@SoTStuff I'm regretful that my comment seems to say that she's wrong, because she's not. It's just another point of view totally valid. I actually agree with her on the level cap being too high on Safer Seas and the dwindling meaning of being a pirate legend. Also, it doesn't really prepare you for encounters. But what I meant is I'm able to deal with this for the sake of bringing the joy of the seas to this other group of players which includes some of my friends, and that Rare may as well review some of their decisions until the launch.
Every time PVE servers are brought up, the only people that complain about them are PVP players because they know they'll lose their easy targets, because they know they're trash at PVP and can't fight other people that actually want to fight.
I respect what you're saying, but I definitely disagree with some of your points. As others have mentioned, level 40 is less than halfway to level 50 in terms of getting to Pirate Legend, and leveling to 40 in Safer Seas is probably going to take about as long as it did when you first started because none of the big events that make good money are included, the progression is slowed to 2018 levels, and they're selling the old fashioned way.
It is worth considering that a new player in 2023 comes in at such a wild disadvantage compared to what you did when you started because people were still figuring things out. Getting absolutely destroyed right out of the gates doesn't motivate the majority of people. It makes them quit. It doesn't feel like Rare would add this feature without hard data that shows this definitively because they surely knew it would be divisive.
Safer Seas players may not have situational awareness when they first come to High Seas, but neither do new players. The big difference though is that Safer Seas players transitioning over to High Seas may know how to steer their ship, fire their cannons, control their character, eat food, use their weapons, and repair their boat. And they'll likely have an attachment to the game because they got to play it before having a negative player experience. These are invaluable things. It's not like they won't learn to check horizons in the same way we all did; that experience is exactly the same, just delayed a bit.
This game is special to a lot of us who play it, and we should all be in favor of more people playing it and loving it. I won't agree with people who think that the game needs to be as hard or as difficult as it was when they started for the experience to be just as meaningful, or that perseverance through a brutal learning curve somehow makes the game better or it makes them better people or players.
A way better take than hers. You have empathy. You aren’t selfish. Thank you for being you.
I personally only want to play PvE ever, so limiting PvE content to force players back into PvP if they want to unlock stuff or experience all of the *PvE* content (owning a ship is a ridiculous thing to lock behind the PvP Pain Wall) is unnecessarily punitive. There is a very simple answer for this problem that is being ignored... just make it so that each player account has two entirely separate characters, one for PvE and one for PvP. Allow full access to every part of the game for BOTH, however lock all progress, items, money, and everything else to each mode. That means no taking your legendary beefed up galleon into PvP after leveling easily and safely in PvE... if I play a character in PvP, then it starts at the bottom with nothing like a fresh new player. The only thing that should be available across both accounts is stuff you purchased with real money.
I have wanted to play Sea of Thieves since launch, but never touched it due to the unavoidable PvP aspect and my crippling anxiety, which I play games to escape. I remember when games like the first Red Dead Redemption (also a shared world filled with violent thieves) had separate lobbies for PvE players where we could go and do literally everything in the game with our friends without overwhelming stress... we were treated as if we had just as much value as the PvP players. Now, in RDR 2 there is no such thing as a friendly lobby, only a *heavily* discounted GTA passive mode where you can toggle to take somewhat less damage from player attacks, but you still get killed before you can put your fishing rod away. I haven't touched that game in years thanks to the toxic KOS player base, and I spent a lot of money on it. PvE servers (or simply private servers TBH) would be a Godsend that would bring people like me back into the fold of so many great games, and while this isn't quite that, I do think its a step in the right direction to that end.
Real life is PvP. It is perfectly valid to want to escape that in my escapism.
I think Rare may have one eye on the future of the game and another big Pirate game coming out, maybe wrong, but I’ve played that other game, it’s great, PVP is a choice, not a given, I love SoT and all it brings, but things change, gaming changes, people’s mindsets change and companies need to cater to a wider community, the majority I think are more interested in PVE and not the chance encounter with a toxic crew that might ruin a couple of hours of gameplay because they’re a bit sensitive or too young to cope, if the toxicity and the cheating were to be addressed, this probably wouldn’t be happening, but that’s just my personal opinion.
Of course they are doing this because of Skull and Bones and the decline in active players. This should have been available since launch. It’s the idiots that make a living from PvP that fought tooth and nail to keep this from happening for so long. Anybody who poops on the idea of safer seas is going to be boycotted by me. Fuck em.
I personally think safer seas is a great idea. As a disabled person i do not have the ability or reaction speed to play all these PVP games and having played SOT a little after launch and not being able to enjoy any of the game this is a welcome change. I know, I know i should go play Candy Crush and be happy i can just play a game. I just always loved the idea of SOT and now maye i can play for more than 5 minutes without ending up dead.
Can you imagine the safer seas to be offline Full Single player pve Expierience where you always can pause and resume every time you need.
I would love to do voyages, vaults, forts and so on. My biggest struggle is that I never can play more then 2 hours in a row. That would be amazing.
A modest take on Safer Seas. My only question is why is there a really large fixation on people earning Pirate Legend?
I understand when the game released many moons ago that was THE "thing" to achieve due to the difficulty of being emissary-less Over the years Pirate Legend has become a stepping stone on the path to true mastery of the game, and Sea of Thieves require a balance of both PVP and PVE to truly be called a master of the seas. Sure you might be a quickswap sweat god that can skeet a parrot off a bell at 100 paces... but if you have to abandon ship when a Kraken grabs you, then you're still not quite there. And I feel like the current day Pirate Legend is the same. It just means you know how to use a dig spot, you know how to kill a skeleton, and you know how to find a shipwreck; and those are all things that can be achieved in solace... adding PvP to the mix just adds frustration and confusion.
So yes Safer Seas will be a shortcut to Pirate Legend, but that isnt as significant as enveloping yourself into all aspect of the game. To me, being a Pirate Legend, just means you know the basics.
I believe a new benchmark needs to be used to determine Pirate "Legendary". The Curses. The new legendary status should be : Gold Curse (for being able to tell a good story), Blessing/Skeleton Curse (for mastery of combat), Ashen Curse (for mastery of Treasure...uh findery),
And then the true elites on the sea can go further: Gold PvP Curses (Sweat) + Legendary Hunter of The Sea of Thieves (Patience) + Legendary Hunter of the Shrouded Ghost (Luck)
That should be the new Pirate Legend, and Beyond!
That's a really good take
Honestly, this might be what actually gets me into the game. I bought it, but never played it because trying to learn a new game, conquer my thalassophobia *AND* deal with toxic/more experienced PvP scenarios at the same time was just too much for me to even think about. Remove the last one and I can balance the two former hurdles.
Hell, part of why I bought it was so I could try and work through my intense fear of the ocean in a safe, controlled way. I'm not gonna be even remotely close to ready to deal with PvP in any form until I've managed that, otherwise every interaction with other players is just gonna be a constant array of overwhelming fear of being sunk or knocked overboard, and dealing with the ocean unexpectedly. If I wanted a game to terrify me to the point I can barely function, there's plenty of games like phasmophobia out there for me to do that.
I want to enjoy the things Sea of Thieves is *meant* to provide for me to enjoy. I'd handle PvP better once I overcome my fears and get comfortable with the game's mechanics.
The same people who complain about the existence of Safer Seas are the creators of the problem. These servers are a consequence of the extreme toxicity that new players have been subjected to for years, and this, coupled with server stability problems and cheaters, has led Rare to make a decision that goes against their core idea of what SoT is all about.
"It's a pirate's game", the excuse to justify any kind of behaviour within the game. Well, I'll be very honest with you -> Thanks to your "Pirate Game" concept, the game is at its worst, you have kicked out so many people and created such a low player retention, that it had to come to this point. You have reaped the fruits that you have spent so many years sowing, now don't cry.
Every act has its consequences, here you have the result of years of grifeing, abuse and toxicity.
Pray that the idea works and that a lot of new people come to play, because if not, the future of SoT is very black.
Bottom line: Why does anyone care how someone else advances? It has zero effect on anyone else's game. Everyone's character stays equally killable, your pirate legend gear doesn't stop swords or bullets. I hope this is just a first step towards true PvE servers.
Because streamers are selfish pricks that make money from streaming the game and most of them do more PvP then PvE. They don’t even play the game like most of the players do. They sail with skilled mates with thousands of hours and play on easy mode. Ignore them they are extremely biased.
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I'm looking forward to all the crying from the sweats when Safer Seas starts in December. They are going to be so sad to see all their easy sinks go away. The real tears start when they realize they will have to work for their sinks after that.@@RangerFPS
All valid points but im curious to hear your reasons on why you think the level caps on safer seas are too high, beyond the PL argument. Why does it matter? So what if john from dallas ontario gets to gold hoarder level 40 without seeing another player? Why is it a problem for anyone else?
I think the issue currently was server hoper/outpost camper, because nothing worse then getting 2-4 hours of loot just to lose it to some players who just got on,the 75% decrease I think is great because some of the accoundation aka the 100-500 chest ones I would rather just spend a day grinding on an empty server
Personally I think safer seas is something that should have happened a long time ago as it felt inevitable, the game is at its core a cosmetic grind with extremely high risk for it. And I don’t care about the gold or commendations at all, sometimes I want to jump in sink a skelly ship after a garbage 50 hour work week then call it a night. Wish I had time to really sink into this game and learn but I don’t, and jumping in the last 5 times all I had was a solo sloop and immediately got chased down and sunk, after a already garbage work week it sucks, so this news is welcome to me.
Something no one has addressed is the fact that Rare has at its disposal all of the millions of non-cheating players to report cheaters but because of the excessive and ridiculous hoops they have to jump through, well, leaves most to say, um forget it. You must be recording and then upload it somewhere or have an editing program to put it in a lower quality than it was recorded in just to attach it to this ticket format and answer tons of questions. How about making it easier to report and some immediate action taken? Even when done perfectly, the bozos run around for hours and hours on their alt accounts doing blatant cheating, like teleporting WITH kegs onto your ship a few times and sinking you, a mile away from their boats or land.
I don't understand why people are against this.. That some people choose to go to a PvE server don't affect us at all. And it's not like PL is such a special thing that I am salty that they will now be able to get to level 40 easy. Good for them. Also, it's the levels after 40 that are hard... I think this is great for new players and players that would rather quit the game than to play on high seas. I hope this brings much more hype to the game and gives it a new life!
Just say you didn't listen to anything she said. You'd save yourself a lot of typing.
@@TheJizel I wasn't talking about her. This is the general point most people use, that the level 40 is to high. Some also want money cap. It was a general comment.
@caspix But she explained exactly why she thinks level 40 is too high, lol. She didn't just say "level 40 is too high." Maybe other people have made statements like that and not elaborated, but she went into specific detail about why level 40 is too high. And you're making a comment on HER video where SHE talks about, so I don't understand why you would make a general comment here about it without taking her opinion into account.
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Yes, and I hear it. But I am talking in general since this debate is all over the internet right now. Here, reddit, twitter, tiktok. And many have the same view even if Kraken doesn't. @@TheJizel
Because you are an empathetic person rather than a selfish creator worried about maintaining an income from PvP’ing in a video game.
I think Safer Seas will bring more people to the game and once hooked, many of them will change over to High Seas to get past the limitations of Safer Seas. Overall, I think it will be a good thing for the health and future of the game.
Nope. People will stick to Safer Seas because that in particular made them interested.
SoT will then either make SS it's own actual mode that respects PVE'ers, or SoT WILL
crash and burn and be left to finally die.
Arena died because people DON'T want PVP; they want to grief.
Hourglass died because people DON'T want to PVP; they want to grief.
SoT will die because people DON'T want to PVP; they want to grief.
Either SoT starts respecting PVE, or it WILL die.
3:25 Lets hang on ONE second here.. The sea of thieves stories and plots all mostly involve static NPCs that shout directives. There's no room for flair, there's no space for autonomy.
The SECOND that last adventure started with the fake pirate lord, I knew it was a ruse, but I had nowhere to go but back and forth from an outpost to an island, and eventually followed a REALLY exciting rat through a hole... just to find out what I knew from the start. It was a trick and the Pirate Lord chastised me for not thinking hard enough about what I was getting into.
It's high time that Rare stops receiving any kind of praise about their world-building or implemented storylines. We get overlong cutscenes that add nothing to the actual experience of being a pirate on this game. I've maintained for years that the devs do not play SoT, and don't know what it's like out there.
Level 40 isnt that bad really because you have to look at it from a total xp perspective instead of a numbers one. What i mean is lvl 40/50 is 80% of the way towards PL right? No… I remember reading on forums back in the day that 42 I think was the half way mark for total xp required to reach PL. So in a way this is LIKE it being set to 25/50 like most people want in the end.
For those unhappy with the PVE servers your not thinking it through very well. If you want PVP you'll be in a server filled with players who want PVP and have better odds of having a full server because of it. If your truly unhappy with it I think it's probably because your the type of pirate that only enjoys PVP when the other ship doesn't because it's an easy sink. Now you cheating low life pirates can deal with others just like you and I think it's poetic. Ofcourse not all PVPers are like this but we all know there's one on every server.
My Honest Thoughts. this is GREAT news GREAT FANTASTIC JOY FOR ALL PVE PLAYERS ,HATE THE PVP , LOVE THE GAME. oh also dont tell me that i suck pvp ok thanks u very much
As someone who just "enjoyed" his first night ever in the game, most of it being griefed while trying to just practice sailing, I can confidently say Safer Seas cannot come soon enough.
Love your take on this. My only disagreement is the bit about players developing bad habits. Im looking at safer seas as a stepstone in the learning curve. When players graduate themselves to high seas they will have things to relearn… but this is straight forward and to be expected. they’ll now be able to focus on those pvp elements without having to also learn the basic functionality of playing the game. I think its a win.
You make some good points about the new players being able to master the basics without being overwhelming by trying to figure out all the mechanics at once, but I think Kraken nailed it in terms of not developing a sense for PvP at all.
It's not that these players will develop bad habits, it's that they won't develop any applicable habits at all. How can they prepare for PvP in a world devoid of it? Fights with skeleton ships might be the closest thing, but even that doesn't compare.
We'll see how it goes, but I think a lot of these players might get to level 40 and just give up if / when they get rolled from PvP on the High Seas.
@@TheJizel I believe what Jay is saying is that when they swap or go to the High Seas they will *know* other players are out there and can attack them. They will, hopefully, be aware of that and be a little more conscientious of this. And if they leave the game entirely because of the PvP or they get sunk a few times, well they would've done that even without the Safer Seas option. With SS they will at least stay playing the game and have some investment in staying active and playing.
@@zarris2635 Sure. I agree it's a good move from a business perspective: You want people to at least play to a certain point before giving up rather than giving up right away. I just think it's not really going to do them any favors when they hit the High Seas. I think most will quit immediately or soon after they experience that adversity for the first time. I really don't think anything in Safer Seas will prepare them for it outside of maybe sharper basic mechanics (which IMO won't really move the needle). But we shall see.
@@TheJizelwell if you believe they will quit anyway after leaving safer seas, then what do you think would happen if they didn't enter safe seas to begin with? Where is the logic m8?
@@MXedits_1 Huh?
I clearly explained what I thought would happen: they quit right away because it’s too much for them to handle.
So if you’re viewing this from the perspective of it’s better to get them up to level 40 before they leave as opposed to them leaving right away, great. Rare is clearly viewing it that way too and like I said, it makes sense from a business perspective because it’s a potential increase in revenue.
From the perspective of the player though, I generally don’t think Rare is doing these people any favors when it comes to transitioning to the High Seas. It’s just a matter of moving the goalposts in terms of when they end up quitting and I don’t think that does anything for the overall long term health of the sandbox element of the game.
Rare: We don't want to split people between pvp and pve, so we close arena
Also Rare:
pve mode pretty much just for tall tales and beginners
@@bene3010 yeah but it still will contribute to make the seas even emptier than it is already
if you say so like you know everything? oof@@bene3010
It's more of a training wheels thing I'd say. 30 percent earnings with no flag is... not a lot. It should mean that the people in high seas servers will know what they are doing to a larger extent, so that means more loot to steal for pvp players, and better crews means world events will be cycled faster, so more pve. Also, we are finally able to do a tall tape without someone screwing us over
@@Kriegsman17 yes, so when they will come to high seas, theyll get destroyed by other players because they will have no gamesenae, thus either making them delete the game or go back to safer seas
It seems to me like all the RUclipsrs who are good at PVP don't like this change. I wonder why. The only people this will bring to the game are people that don't want to PVP in the first place. Very out of touch imo.
I personally believe the Safer Seas is ok, keep in mind the lvl 40 cap is also slower reputation and no emissary flags. So it will take even longer to get. But it would make some of the most miserable items (like merchant commendations) tolerable to do.
P.S. The new Siren Skull sounds fun as hell. But I had to quit because I was running into hackers daily in about 20-30ish minutes of gameplay. Legends Week? I played for one day. Had a hacker teleport the chest of fortune out of the vault before fort was done. Made me so mad. My friend continued all week and it became the normal, if Fortune was up. 90% someone would join, TP it out, done. So what stops hackers from teleporting in, snagging the skull off your ship as you reach the outpost, and boom its gone. Plus they enable some sort of "streamer xbox mode" so their name doesnt appear on recently played with and unless you catch them on camera (physically see them and their name). Its a waste. If you snag one guy, they will use a new profile and relog into SoT. High Risk, High Reward loot, is just an invitation for hackers to troll you. Unless Rare commits to an actual anti-cheat and report system (not just video clips), then the siren skull might be fun.
Every time i try to get back into the game i get killed by really toxic crews so i just never play it but this will change that because i wanna explore
Honestly I think custom servers should definitely be a thing, where you can set some rules or adjust settings to your liking, to what you feel is fair for solo or group play. Since everyone has their own preferences of playing I think it would benefit everyone as they can decide the gold or rep reduction, or whether they're allowed to interact with certain factions or take up emissary flags, instead of Safer Seas we should have that
All this carping about PvE servers...... You do realize that there are SoT players who would be quite content to NEVER do PvP? They want to fight skellies or dig up treasure or haul cargo or fish or do siren shrines or tall tales or just sail around and enjoy the ambience. They don't want to fight anybody. They don't want to be interrupted in what they are doing. They don't want to feel victimized and bullied. They don't like the paranoia that at any second a larger ship filled with more experienced fighters might swoop out from behind an island and step on them like a bug.
I ask you, why do YOU want that? What kind of achievement is it to sink a ship full of peaceful people who don't want to fight? Why does that make you happy? If making other people unhappy and/or mad is your kind of fun, seek help.
I applaud these new private servers and a lot of my friends who quit the game in disgust at all the cheating and toxic PvP are planning to return in December to enjoy a good sail without the threat of having their day ruined by people who won't take NO for an answer.
Heres the thing. One of the greatest parts of the game is doing quest and playing with friends then possibly having to defend your loot. Thats the part of this game that so many people love. I think the PVE will just really be used by people that might want to calmly fish or just sail after a day of work. I don’t think the safe seas will really take away from the main game experience. Sure there might be a few less people on the seas but the ones who stay will most likely be a better community because now we have more to unite us. Please tell me your thoughts
Yep. As someone who doesn't like PvP, I'll stay on the high seas anyway. The idea of safer seas is great, but with level caps, no emissaries, no captained ships, there's no point for me to play there, maybe except for finally getting that gold curse. So I'm not going anywhere, I'll keep crying that sweaty brigantines sink me while I solo sloop :P
its just going to make servers ALOT less populated, players that have played for a long time don't want to do the content for the loot, they want to PVP and take the loot, while those who want to get the loot don't like PVP so they are going to be on PVE servers, so its going to be dead servers where crews are just hopping from server to server in hopes someone might have something or is attempting to do something to take worse than it already is.
@@brianpancotto8829 im hoping that people will realize that the percentage of loot gained in safer seas isn’t worth the convenience. So i think people will accept the risk of being sunk for the chance of a much larger pay out. And also emissaries aren’t in safe seas so theres that
Ok I’ve been thinking about the whole safer seas thing for a bit and i mean I’m coming around to it but I’ve been thinking about the whole getting to level 40 in safer seas and then jumping over to high seas For the remaining 10 levels what if they make Pirate legend 75 now or to make it a little bit more I guess a grind what if they make it level 75 and you have to have every commendation and title unlocked In gold holders order of souls merchant alliance And reapers bones now yes merchant alliance would probably be the trickiest to get every commendation and title in because of the cannonball fruit and wood creat voyages Cause they can’t be done unless you find them in barrels but surely they could make them buyable voyages Yes keep it so you can still find it barrels but add it so you can buy them as well it will make those commendations a lot easier
I don’t think people realize how slow the grind really will be on safer seas. Yeah it’s 30%, but also no emissaries, so it’s really 12% of what a grade 5 emissary would be in terms of gold an reputation. For example, if you can make 100k/hr which is reasonable on the high seas, you’d make 12k/hr on safer seas. Meaning you’d need 689 hrs grinding gold just to get enough for the DA sails. In terms of rep it took me 14.5 hrs solo as an experienced player to get PL on a new account. That would take 120 hrs on safer seas, and these players won’t be hard grinding anyway. So I don’t see it as a free gold/rep grind. It’s going to be much better on high seas. It just filters out the tall talers and completely new players
Im all for it. Ive tried to bring people in, but because maiden voyage, doesnt cover everything, you try to teach them and get hit by other crews.
I hate doing pvp vs people who dont know what they are doing. I prefer a challenge.
But before negative comments come, I am pirate legend. Outside of teaching controls to people, id have no use for this mode
It will be nice to see what happens and have to option to do some chill fishing
I can see the siren song voyage being very drawn out. One crew starts running with one item and it’ll take a million years to finish. It would be cool if the two items were magnetised and forced themselves together.
You obviously weren't around when Forts opened. 4 hour fort key chases were the norm!
@@NedVargaryes I was and it’s the worst thing in game. It already takes on average 15 minutes to leave port. I loved the arena long queues but little to no down time in pvp.
doing the tall tale for the shores of gold will take awhile me since I’m solo on it
Honestly I see this as a 100% absolute positive.
-Safe enviroinment for people to learn the game, meaning that the people who will come from safer seas into the regular game will be better and have more fun since they won't drop the game the first time they get stomped by a sweaty 4 man crew of reapers.
-People who like to open crew won't get potatoes for crewmates as often.
-Safe way to play with children or to simply relax with friends without high stakes.
-Tall Tales will become exponentially more enjoyable.
-It will only earn 30% gold and rep, meaning it'll take a lot longer to grind faction ranks. This is the most important point. If they gave 100% everything in safer seas, a lot of people would never play regularly and that would make the servers even more empty than they already are. But this reduced rate and lv 40 cap will mean once people reach lv40, they'll venture out, and the seas will still stay populated.
I shared my ship with Vanguard Sails & other cosmetics... haven't been able to use my ship since as its always taken by someone 😅
I understand what you are saying. I just don't have time to play for hours after work and create content. So going out to sea and 2 hours later, well there was no victory. But I totally understand how to improve from your mistakes. It's something I would do if I had the time. As much as I love the game, I had to make a decision that maybe Sea of Thieves wasn't for me, even though I wish it was
Great video! First one I see from you so I subbed ;). In my honest opinion, they should make 100% everything-in PVE servers (minus functional reaper faction). PVE and PVP minded people will never agree, no matter how you put it. Fact is that this game is to beautiful and needs both PVP and PVE servers. The PVP people will have a better experience because all the people on the server will be competitive and like-minded (and also a little more salty). PVE players are mostly just in it for the relaxation this game offers, which honestly so many times I play, is not a fact. Problem is that most PVP minded persons will have a 'problem' with how 'easy' the game would become. And now with Safer Seas, PVE players are happy that they finally get some scraps from RARE. I became a Pirate legend while the game was out for like 2 months. I grinded A LOT! PVP-ed A LOT. And I enjoyed the game A LOT. But I am no PVP player, as I am not good at it. I hate PVP and that's also the reason I stopped playing Sea of Thieves a long time ago. PVP stresses me out, salty PVP players chased me away, and everything that RARE was saying was "This game is NOT for you". Though the game itself (PVE wise) is just so good, so yeah, it is a game for me... On top of that, I got LOADS of commendations that will be much easier to get in Safer Seas, but I don't care that now PVE minded people can get them as well without the hassle and threat of PVP. So safer seas, yes, I call it a good start. PVP vs PVE people, lay down your arms and lets both enjoy this game without going at each other's throat IRL.
People claiming that they are being "Ignored" about anti-cheat need to chill.
If players consider cheating such an obvious issue, then it should also be obvious for the devs that it needs to be adressed.
Thank you for the video, Kraken. I don't think the community will get any better at being patient, but I have hope for a good future for SoT.
Love your videos Kraken ❤ thanks for sharing your perspectives
Well done and well thought out, as usual!😊
I'm mainly excited for safer seas so I can do the story. I love the feel of the game but I don't have any friends that play it, I've barely played any of it at all. For me, Once I finish the story then I'll feel like I can be free for PVP, and hopefully by then find people to play with.
Safer Seas is out now so you can defo enjoy it! It's so nice to do the Tall Tales & story mode on it 💜
Would be a better Idea if you could only play on safer seas pre level 40, once you've hit that level you physically can't join them any more.
In my view, I think a lot of people are missing just what kind of teaching Safer Seas will bring about. The major split for Safer seas are people debating on if Safer Seas will prepare new players for PvP properly or not. To me, that argument is sort of missing the point, because its not trying to teach players how to PvP, but instead nudging them into the right mindset to help them figure it out easier and with less frustration.
In Game design when crafting enemies, a strategy as old as time is to have enemies not just get entirely new powers, but also modify the existing patterns which allowed you to defeat them. Such as perhaps a level 1 enemy colored blue can only be damaged if you shoot it in the head. Then on then next level, a red variant of that enemy appears that can deflect attacks aimed at its head back at the player. It still has the same core ending. Shoot the head to win. It's just now theirs a new variable you have to account for. But the key is you already understand the core solution, you just need to find a new way too it.
This is where I think Safer Sea's will shine in showing new players the ropes. It's true, it will not prepare new players entirely for a galleon to roll up on them. But due to their encounters in Safer Seas skeleton ships, they will know enough concepts to make the situation of "how do I defeat this galleon?" That much easier to solve.
To take the example I used before. Skeleton ship is the blue enemy, player galleon is the red. Both require the same core concept to defeat: Shoot holes in the right places so the ship floods with water and sinks. Because the player had previous experience and time to experiment with the Blue enemy, they know things like "This is where I shoot to make water start flooding the ship." "If I shoot the cannons on the other ship, it will knock the ones using them back and they won't be able to fire back effectively." Or even. "If I go over to their ship, I can spawn camp them and stop them from repairing or firing back."
But now their's the red ship that takes those same concepts and twists them. Now this ship can board you and try to spawn camp you. This ship can fire on YOUR cannonline to stop you from firing. Skeleton ships could maybe shoot your mast down (informing you its possible), but player ships will specifically try too to slow you down.
Its this natural progression that will make PvP encounters easier to swallow, because instead of running around like headless chickens as they have NO idea what's going on they will have basic abilities that, hey, MIGHT even let them get a win! Lets be honest everyone talks about double gunning sweat lords, but most of the time when encountering another ship on the seas? just the ability's I've described before (Shooting lowers, shooting the cannon line, boarding) is enough to secure a sink on the average player. And even if they do sink, putting the basics in the practice will show a tangible effect which will give them the confidence they need to make that jump.
The idea that "I was that new player, I got beaten down and had to choose to get back up." Is appropriate, but I also feel is a bit too harsh. Because it takes a specific kind of person to be utterly beaten to a pulp over and over again and still get back up. That's the barrier new players have. But what could make that beating SO much more bearable to the average person is the ability to look at the person beating them and see they gave them a black eye in return.
"That ship sunk me. But I managed to board them and kill one!"
"That was so close, I actually managed to get their masts down!"
"I was on their boat and they had so much water they hit second deck! We'll definitely get them next time."
With Safer Sea's ability to properly give players time to learn the blue enemies. When they get to the red? This won't be the like... 5th, 10th, or 15th time they get into a fight with another player. These thoughts will be on the 2nd, 3rd or 4th.
Safer seas would be perfect for learning how to sail as well, since pvp is so hard when u barely know how to work the ship.
I just remembered something. 40 Cap is even more crap when you realize they could just buy letters of recommendations each update
Lol, you are absolutly right. The level cap should be like 15 or 20.
The only other players on sea of thieves have been grieving trash. Never once have I encountered any cool people in this game unless I already knew them. The whole never know when a ship rolls up on you Is straight bull shit. You getting attacked it's that's damn simple. The game is great the community is toxic af. Making this game unplayable for me in its current state.
SOME risk, medium reward.
Remember if this is a new player and a skele ship or a kraken or a meg shows up, that's a threat! Thats risk no matter how trivial it is to a lvl 1million-yolo pirate god. ;)
The change will be that totally fresh people who doesn’t know how the harpoon works will not be randomly spawned with you in open crews.
i played a lot of time to and almost all of the time solo i quit like 3 mouths ago im tired of the fighting im a rly busy person now and i just want some chill play but sot are for sure not for casuel players that just want some chill time dont get me wrong i loved the pvp in the beginning i think its okay but i agree with you on the lvl cap that should be max 20 maybe rare has problems with the player counts now and want to bring the casuel players back most of the casuel players are quiting because of getting all the time sunken
Safer seas will mainly be used by new players and players who just wanna chill and not get into fights. SoT is a dying game and this will bring some back and extend the length new players stick with the game. I've known many that got dumpstered on first day and never picked it back up, Just because you did doesn't mean others will. You may never see these players but they may still get to enjoy the game for some time which is a win in my book. For those wanting pvp. this will increase the chances of the other ships in your server to be the same, your likelihood of coming across noobs, runners and tall talers will be significantly less. As for level caps and commendations. It has no impact on your game so who cares really. I got PL before emissaries which was a grind in itself. having the same but at only 30% gold and rep will be even more of a grind and for a lot of people that'll give them plenty of time to enjoy the game and learn the basics fighting pve so that the jump to high seas they'll at least have some basic skills and can learn the fighting side after without having to learn everything all at once. It probably won't bring me back to the game as I've done most of what it has to offer but if I have a mate that wants to try it. I'll jump on Safer Seas with them to hopefully help them enjoy the game and get used to it before they take the dive into High Seas. Safer is will also be good for casual players who just want a chill time every once in a while, It doesnt mean they'll go to it every time. It doesnt have to be all one or the other
Absolutely right. Your take shows more maturity and empathy than her does. She’s heavily biased and makes money off of PvP so best to ignore what she has to say because it’s just so selfish.
PVP voyage for ESP users, love it.
People playing on Safer Seas will form bad habits is not a strong point. They will still have the ability to learn the PvP side of the game. There are plenty of guides on PvP.
Tbh, I don't think this feature will impact the game much at all. I doubt there is that many who wants to play safer seas with so little reward income. But, it also can be a good "tutorial" server for new players.
Safer Seas is a good thing I can care lease about anything thats been reduced it is taking away the Toxic Players that is a major Plus in my book
"No one should be made to feel bad about how they choose to enjoy a sandbox game... but in my opinion you shouldn't be able to play and progress the game unless you play how I think it should be played." As a player who pre-ordered in 2018, Safer seas will be a pointless addition. People who don't like PvP, don't feel suddenly more interested just because they can play "a little before going into PvP". Pirate legend never really meant anything. People used to just buy the scrolls to push levels even way back then. The gatekeeping of cosmetic rewards is so bizarre to me. Sea of thieves was an entirely different game in 2018. Forts, skeletons, chickens and PvP. that's all the content there was. Compared to now, that's not even close. There's so much to do and enjoy without ever running into another player. (and most of the time, far more enjoyable than running into another player). Having played for 5 years, It's not a "I wonder what that ship of the horizon is up to". I know what they're up to. They are hostile. They are always hostile and if they aren't immediately hostile, they are waiting for the chance to be. Even if we form an alliance with other players, we warn them up front to take the free cut and stay away or we'll consider them enemies and sink them.
All the problems that people have been saying Safer Seas are "preventing people from learing" aren't being added suddenly. They're being delayed. A player knowing nothing getting sunk on their first time playing might make them uninstall. Safer Seas will allow players to love the game in a new way. Not all the players who play the game will have had the same trials any more. AND THAT'S GOOD. How is more types of players having a way to enjoy the game anything other than a net-positive?
I wish the only PVP mode on Sea of Thieves is the arena.
We all miss arena!
Tbh bad, I also don't see a point when it caps at lvl 40
The most growth comes from the interaction of other players, you either learn or you don't
It's like the Anakin lesson in Ashoka, "Live or Die you choose"
Kraken, you've set yourself apart from some other partners for me to a certain degree.
I've quit since S8 due to the cheating, moved on to other things, and don't feel even remotely listened to by Rare when I voice my frustrations at the cheating issue.
I think that this problem is only further magnified by many Partners either keeping silent on the issue or, worse, actively mocking those who are calling for anticheat.
Thank you for voicing our concerns.
I hope that Rare not only listens but ACTS, though with S10 announced and nothing but crickets on this front I'm not holding my breath anymore.
i understand PVP players love PVP, but PVP is the reason I didn’t purchase the game, now that the game has PVE servers, I can’t wait to play safer seas with my friends as coop fun.
Glad to have you on the seas & hope you're enjoying the game 💜
"I hope it´s worth 15k" Rare: Yes, but no. How about 50k?
Just like the world toxic people ruin a good thing. Their game is dying because it appeals to all ages but enables the worst. This is simply why EVERY survival game has pve servers, why EVERY pvp mmo has failed. There are not a ton of people who want to constantly be sweaty when playing a video game, no matter how good it is. I can finally play with my loved ones again because they will finally give it a chance again. “No risk” you clearly haven’t run into a kraken and a skele galleon at the same time with a wife and a kid. Hard enough to deal with, then throw in the jerks in the sloop who kill your repairs. It’s a great addition. I missed out on trying to get my family into this game the same way I did. Sure I’m one of the people that got better instead of quitting, but I also was around for beta and the early years, where almost every interaction with people was genuinely fun, going after the hunger, doing the first tall tales with a small fleet! When I got my family to play with me a year ago, we had zero positive interactions with other crews, and then we were angry and sunk a galleon full of kids once… who were asking why we did that after we sunk em and one was crying… i didnt care anymore it was such a horrible experience it soured everything I thought of it before and turned my wife and 9 year old away…
Players are NOT going to stay on the safer seas. The rewards are 70% lower and you do not get to unlock everything. I know of eight different people who quit entirely because they were new players and got spawn camped by assholes without even being able to learn and truly understand the basics of working as a crew. Giving new players a safe space to actually figure out the fundementals while practising their navel combat on skeleton ships is absolutely healtheir for the game, especially with how sweaty a lot of the "old time" players are.
I mean it's a good thing for new player or family play chilling without get destroy and troll (they just don't play again) by experienced player who made pvp all the day and content . Safe server is good too for some succes farm. For exemple all the siren shrine succes or other succes like Umbras or glitterbeard too etc.
It's a pvPVE game.
Everyone can play the pve parts, earn gold and reputation without any pvp. On the other hand, you can't earn gold and reputation in pvp without someone playing pve content, because no pve=no treasure.
pvp is just a small part of the game, regardless of what the devs are saying. If it's meant to be a pvp game with a small or almost equal pve part, the devs have missed their own goal. Only 20 percent of the game is pvp (if you look at the companies).
My favorite loot goblin
Should of added Custom servers instead of the safer seas.
Would benefit/please everyone.
BUT NOOO.
Lets be honest though, will the high seas experience die because of the addition of safer seas? not likely looking at the amount of people who are seemingly against the idea, there been so many narrow minded as well as selfish opinions on this, we had our PvP season, we can't just be happy when we get something and the other person doesn't, then get upset when the roles get reversed, this is something so small yet people are making so much noise about it and when you take a moment to think about it this might even mean having more consistent encounters with people on the high seas willing to engage in PvP as the rest will be off in their little safe zone ^^
It’s not balanced in its current form but in the opposite way that you think. There’s no reason to have a 70% gold/rep nerf in addition to disabling the use of emissary flags. That’s just plain dumb. They are messing with the formula for how satisfying it feels to sell treasure, to play the game. Rare has no control over whether or not a player enjoys PvP. And the sooner they realize it’s not their job to convert people to be a PvP enjoyer the better off Sea of Thieves will be both in popularity and in revenue generation. L take from you.
sea of thieves is just not a game where I value a pvp experience. If i want a pvp experience there's just so many other games to do it far better. So i down to try this new pve mode without being bothered.
I think it is cool, especially for avoiding idiots.
"Its a sandbox game and people should play how they want" .....unless they want to PvE.
PvP is SoT is kinda like DnD, 90% exploiters trying to get an unfair edge over new people
Soooo, I bought the game solely because of safer seas. I only get into high seas when I'm with friends, and none of us are hardcore pvpers anyway. Did I gain any bad habits by playing tall tales in safer seas first? Not really. I learned fairly quickly things like not to stay anchored, or to never anchor on a sloop, at the same pace I would have if I jumped right in. I will never like pvp, I'm too anxious for that, but safer seas let me dip my toes in and find other reasons to love the game before having a sloop with a KKK reference grief me until I scuttled to a new sea.
My take on the PvE servers is they are not good with the current way they were added. I say this as someone with 10k+ hours, all commendations completed and competed in PvE tournaments and PvP tournaments at the higher level and won both kinds at some point. Also have played since launch.
The main problems: Earning progression and achievements.
Lack of preparation for new players for when they will want to progress past the cap.
Lack of content for the streaming and video making side of the game (which is very important.)
The potential to completely ignore the state of PvP and cheaters if focus falls from the main side of the game.
The first problem: Earning and progression. The only thing in the game and the end goal is earn cosmetics, any way you look at the game and anything you do in it is for cosmetics or ticks commendation boxes and this is inarguable. So therefore the only reason to play the game would be for either the aesthetics or the grinding. But the grinding would have little to no meaning behind it. So the only way to make the main reason to play the game still mean something would be to add pve servers but make it specifically give no gold, commendations, or achievements. This already exists though and it's called private servers but they are locked to where only sea of thieves official partners can host them.
The second problem: The lack or preparation new players will have when they want to progress past the cap. Some argue that the PvE servers are a safe space to help new players learn the game which can then lead them into the "high seas" but this just simply won't be true. The way it works now is new player goes with no experience and sinks to someone who does have a small/medium/or large amount of playtime because they are more experienced then the new player trys to get better/keep trying or they leave. What will happen after the update, new players will go into safe seas get to level 40 and then want to get pirate legend and go the high seas to progress further and then run into someone who has little/medium/ or large amounts of pvp skills and still get ran over and either try again or leave the game. But this time they had some of their time wasted progressing to realize the game wasn't for them and they already capped out for the portion they wanted to play. New players will still lose if they have no pvp experience, this won't change their chances of winning because they never PvPed and just gives them false hope and wastes their time.
The third problem: Lack of content for streaming and the video making side of the game. This is so important i can not stress this enough, no game has ever lived if no one wants to watch it or have fun getting into it. Most of the people i know got into this game because they saw some sort of streamer they liked play it or a RUclipsr they watched make a video on it and it peaked their interests enough to play. The main content for the game is either PvP streamers or content streamers being through interactions or how they they play the game. With the lack of new players in these servers content streamer will only have the interactions with mostly sweaty players or people who wont reciprocate the roleplay because all of those players went to PvE servers to enjoy it more and then the PvP streamers or the people who win most of their fights and stream it and people like to watch that will now run into less boats overall that are carrying loot or a reaction to losing, which kinda sounds scummy but that's what a lot of people enjoy watching. They want to see the other people losing and they watch streamers for that. Without streamers and RUclipsrs any game dies and this will lower the overall content side of the game that people enjoy which is seeing new players and having less sweaty interactions.
The last reason i could think of for now is that the game could completely abandon the idea of the adventure mode of the game and ignore fixing thing in it or ignore the cheating problem. Some people might think that it would be extreme for them to remove adventure but I'm telling you it probably has a chance depending on how the update is liked or disliked. They have done this in the past with removing arena and this is comparable because the reason they removed arena was because it was played by a small percentage of players
I thought they said they do not get the benefits of the bonuses when then come for safe seas? and I have to agree with the cheating, its been so bad.
I think you are right on the money with some of your points, but with other points regarding safer seas, you couldn't be more wrong.
Tall tales is fine to keep to higher seas, meeting other pirate crews in a pirate world is part of the immersiveness. Do it with a friend eventually. Treasure hunts where other pirate crews wants it too and is willing to kill you for it, pretty realistic in a pirate setting.
I suggested a similar feature on reddit to serve as an extended tutorial, and wrote that it should be time limited to a certain amount of play time. Rare has the technology to do so. 48 hours and then you can't start a session anymore, but you can still be invited to one (if you want to help friend/family/kid learn about the game.)
I also really agree with your thoughts about the change in value on PL and gold, and it's a pattern I see whenever new content/updates comes in Sea of Thieves, the old content gets abandoned, redundant, forgotten, insignificant etc. The content becomes Abandonware.
Pirate Legend should be renamed to something like seeker of fortune which gives access to some of the athenas fortune stuff. While certain conditions should be met before you could get PL
- 2 of each ship type owned
- top level in each faction except pvp factions
- 5 cosmetics of each type where 3 needs to be some that are unlocked by commendations.
The reaper faction should be the thief faction, servants of the flame and reaper faction combined and so forth, piracy means stealing and outside the reaper faction, that is only encouraged through merchant alliance.
At my advanced age I have no interest in PvP any more, so Safer Seas is where I'll be playing to chill out. I have zero interest in High Seas and it's content. The PvP players won't be "losing" potential players because they wouldn't want to bother with PvP anyway.
I totally get that and I love that safer seas has brought the option for all players to enjoy the game how they want! Glad you're having fun 💜
This was so well done, and I completely agree with you!! For one, I'm SUPER excited for this new voyage and can't wait to try it out! I also agree with the fact that Safer Seas does seem like a good addition in a way I didn't even expect. I do think the levels need to be cut, at least even in half to ~25 instead of 40. But regardless, I think this is the right time to add this. Thanks for breaking it down in this video!
I hope it stays the same on safer seas. I could care less about the sea of thieves community. Im not wasting 4 hours of my time for someone else. Safer seas give pve players a sense of accomplishment
Enjoy not getting pl
Great take! I don't think the concern of people moving from Safer Seas to the High Seas and not understanding things like don't anchor pointed at an island is too big of a concern personally, as new players don't know that anyway and this more or less breaks up the learning curve, learn the game basics first, then player interaction best practices rather than all at once. It took me quite a while to learn some of these things just in adventure anyway. I can't really see players staying in Safer Seas very long personally, other then younger kids, it's just going to be such a grind, but we'll see. If I had younger kids still I would be so hyped for this option to play with them, and move them to the High Seas when they're older!
Exactly. Whenever I teach somebody the game they say that it’s so overwhelming since I have to go over the gameplay mechanics as well as best practices. If they can use these servers to learn how to sail, how quests/world events/sea forts/shrines and treasuries work I’m all for it. Then they can move on and learn how to scan the horizon, check for tucks, repel boarders, hit chain shots, deck shot, and so much more that doesn’t need to be taught day one, but can be frustrating if they don’t know in the high seas and you’re attacked.
Yeah that was a really bad argument for it.
"Oh god if we let the children play in the kiddie pool they won't know how to swim when they jump into the big pool. That's why I propose we throw them into the deep end."
It would depend on the players themselves. I've owned the game since it came out and have under 10 hours because I suck at pvp (console, controller) and literally don't like pvp. I'm definitely going to play the game now, and with respect to advancing to pvp, it is a big nope for me. Like another commenter said, he would likely have advanced faster in pve than in pvp, having his stuff taken away constantly. And you are not going to know it takes twice the grind to advance if you don't play the High seas version.
I don't class them as pve servers they are pointlessly restricted either divide them equally or don't do it at all. I've played this game for 2 years and I've said all along Rare have not helped players to learn the art of pvp and that's the route of the problem ie you need a degree in science to fire a cannon accurately. It's OK saying oh just jump in the deep end and learn and streamers saying do this and do that but when you are just starting out every crew is sweaty and it is very disheartening for alot of people. As for the toxicity in the game Rare need to make the reporting system easier, have you ever tried reporting someone on an xbox?
It can only be a good thing. I only came back for SS. Otherwise, I would never have played SoT again.
Safer Seas is going to bring people to SoT who may never have played because they hate PVP.
The only people I see complaining are griefers who only want to attack PVE'ers and ruin their fun.
Well, now PVE'ers have a place to have fun in peace. PVP'ers will still have High Seas to PVP.
griefers will just have to fuck off and be miserable elsewhere. Win all around. :)
I want to call one thing I think you said inaccurately. Yes, you only need to go from 40 to 50 on High Seas to get Pirate Legend, but we all know that those last 10 levels require the equivalent experience of the initial 40. One way of looking at it, is that when you reach 40 you still have 40 more levels to go in each faction!
I'm going to have to stop you there. As a day one, never played before, player I turned off all of my lanterns on my sloop, kept a weary eye on the horizon 90% of the time, never left my ship anchored anywhere and kept the bow pointed to open water. So, what bad habits did I bring to the game? None. I did everything by the book and still haven't accomplished anything because after a long stressful day in the hell that is my life, I don't want to get into a game of all things and still have to be stress out. So no, I don't PVP, and I don't think PVP is the only thing in the world.
I don't want to PVP, I don't care about the PVP, I just get off the game anytime a ship is going out of it's way to come towards me, I have stopped playing the game altogether because no matter how many server jumps I did I was always being attacked and could never get anything done. Everyone crying about SS are the people that tell everyone to stop playing SoT if they just want to chill and not fight every other player in the world. They are so brain dead that NOT wanting to do PVP just does not compute to them. You tell these idiots that you just want to fish and that's it, and they will tell you every time, "If you want to fish then get food at PVP to keep the fish you catch." Everything is 100% one sided with no concern for the other sided. If I have to spend twice as much time fighting to keep my fish as I do fishing then it will take me three times as long to get 1/3 the fish, totally not worth my time. So then I just wont play the game at all and then the idiots cry because the game feels empty.
As I have told dozens of others everything happening to SoT currently is 100% because of you and everything you have done to destroy the game with the notion that PVP is the only thing the game is meant for. There is no point for any of the world events, forts, PVE, none of it, because nobody gets the time to themselves to actually do the events, and if they do get the time then there is guaranteed to be a tucker or a ship on the way to make sure they don't get the reward for doing it. And getting better at fighting isn't the solution because for every person killed there are 3 more on the way to steal. You have to be near god tear to even have a shot of actually being rewarded for anything you do in SoT, and its the people that are or spend all of their time playing that will tell you just to get better. Most of the player base only has a few hours at most a week to get on and try to have fun, and people that never get off the game are the ones ruining everything for them and then have the nerve to tell PVE players that it's their fault they are bad at the game.
SS isn't just to show players how to play the game, many people know how the game works before even buying the game by watching all the RUclips videos out there covering every aspect of SoT, and the maiden voyage lets you figure stuff out from there. No, SS is to finally let EVERYONE play how they want, not just a tiny percentage of the player base playing how they want by not letting anyone else enjoy the game their way. And that's what has all the PVP'ers sweeting bullets. That all the PVE players will be more than happy to stay in SS permanently because they can finally just play the game how they want. PVE'ers don't care about huge amounts of gold, reputation, or cosmetics, we just like to play the game. When I recently came back to SoT in preparation for SS I deleted my character and made a new one, not like I was able to get anything unique unlocked for my character in the first place, I couldn't stay alive long enough to do anything. And if you're that worried about it, it's not like you haven't been spending the last 5 years making the main game a living hell for hundreds of thousands of players around the world, giving them no reason to ever want to be in High Seas ever again, right? Right? Oh wait! You absolutely have. Again, making the reason SS even needs to be a thing in the first place 100% your fault. Rare wants new players buying the game and playing long enough to buy cosmetics, and all any of the PVPers have been doing is making everyone return the game within a week of purchase.