Done! My favorite place to hike is the pocket wilderness in Dayton Tennessee. I would love to have this tent it would be perfect for my wife and 3 kids when we go backpacking.
Great work, looks awesome. Exactly what I want but I don't have any tracks that far back on my recon 120. This will definitely be helpful though, thanks for sharing!
@@pmm422thanks, I'll definitely have to share my plans. I just bought my recon 120 yesterday and my goal is to tow my kayak with my bike long distance and then mount my bike to the back of my kayak to be able to be able to go where ever I want. Going to be a big project but I think it's definitely possible.
@@NickolasHinderer That sounds even more exciting, I'll have to say that the wheels I used aren't as friction-less as a wheel mounted with sealed bearings so you'll need to research a bit to find a better solution than what I have. Mine work fine for short distances.
@@pmm422well the specific product you purchased is no longer available but yes, I definitely think the wheels need to have bearings, I believe harbor freight has a good selection of wheels. Your wheels do not have bearings..? After staring at the kayak for a bit I thought maybe I could fit something into the scupper holes and after a quick search sure enough I'm obviously not the first to think of this. so I went ahead and purchased a scupper hole cart in order to get in the water sooner than later. But I also think it'll be a good starting point where I'm thinking of inverting the rack so that the don't come from the bottom of the scupper holes but up and over the sides.
@@NickolasHinderer I think you can still buy them direct from Seamax, well at least they are still listed on their website. I see you can buy 16" wheels too, I might upgrade to those.
The problem I have with this style is the near full weight of the yak is hanging off 4 screws in the gunwales. Or, in this case, off the gear track. I tend to put a lot of stuff in my yak to tram it to the launch. I could have as much as 50 pounds of gear. Plus the water that got into the mull. Say 5 gallons (40 pounds)...
Yes this is true and I can assure you that my stuff isn't any lighter than you described. The only saving grace is that the live scope and seat are mounted to the cross member wheels which removes that weight from the track (about 25-30 pounds) but your concerns are valid. If I were designing a kayak to deal with this I would quadruple the number of inserts and screws in the track. Native seems to think that what they have is enough to deal with those stresses. I think that is tenuous assessment at best. Also keep in mind that about 20 of those pounds are being supported by you and the front handle but that still leaves over 120 pounds dangling on the cross member. The convenience of the load and unload and literally having to spend less than 30 seconds at the ramp is very appealing. So with all that I'm accepting the risk of potential damage to the hull to have that simplicity.
Glad it works for ya. ...I use a couple wheelbarrow wheels and an old oak 2X4 that's bouta hundred years old. Don't carry it on the yak. Could I spose, but don't.
Im running a Slayer Max 12.5 with Native Sidekick wheels. I have never had a problem as the 1%, that being said I don't abuse my gear. Your idea is neat - It doesn't seem to be 'one handed' which would be needed when launching or returning. A single person would need to slightly lift the kayak with one hand and disconnect and rotate the wheel with their other free hand. I would like to see more videos being used...maybe when it warmer...
Ya so far the only process that seems to need two hands while on the water is getting it out of the storage clips. it binds on the clip if using the handle I added. I'll try and do it by grasping the actual pin and let you know. This would be a big problem if I wasn't on a Titan. Oh thanks for the feedback very much appreciated.
After using it now for 6 months I stopped using the storage clips and just toss the wheels behind my storage crate. now it is completely a one handed deployment. with a little practice I can now attach the wheels on the water with ease and it takes about 20 seconds per side it's as convenient as I can make it.
You can certainly do that and for most accessories I'm sure it would be fine aside from the size of hole you have to drill in the plastic. For something like the wheels where they are supporting 150 pounds and a tremendous shock load, I would not want that supported by such a small surface area.
I have the Boonedox on my PA 14, but with rubber tires, not the plastic flat ones (I ordered them, I think, in either 2016 or 2017). Going to their website, I am not sure they still offer the rubber tires - one picture with a blue kayak being carted to the water appears possibly to have them, but when you click on the picture, it comes up with a different kayak and flat plastic wheels. My problem - and I think you will have the same one - is that the wheels want to cloat, and putting them back on can be a struggle. It takes two hands - one to guide the wheel into the bar to be locked in, and the other to counteract the tendency to try to float upwards. And I think you will have the same issue - it is a two hand job in an awkward position, My recollection is that the flat plastic tires were adverrtized as for a sandy launch. NOTE: I went forward to your next video on the gear, and it looks like you may have resovled the floating tendency. Which, of course, will not work on my Boonedox. Oh well...
Ya because of the hinging action of the clip the water current pulls the wheel down and into the clip, so turns out to be rather easy. in this case the wheel floating is a bonus makes it impossible to lose. 🙂
Excellent question I linked everything but I should have an estimated cost on it as well. I'll work that up and reply backatcha. I'll also post it in the description as well.
OK, so the mounting portion was completely custom made so ya I could have made it to fit just about any Kayak. The limiting factor is, does it have strong enough gear rail and in the right places to mount it. If not you would need to install some aluminum mounting plates on the inside of the kayak but I have videos showing how to do that too.
Done! My favorite place to hike is the pocket wilderness in Dayton Tennessee. I would love to have this tent it would be perfect for my wife and 3 kids when we go backpacking.
Done! My favorite place to hike is the pocket wilderness in Dayton Tennessee. I would love to have this tent it would be perfect for my wife and 3 kids when we go backpacking.
Absolutely awsome but not sure I could put something like that together seems a lot of hard work and a good knowledge
Thanks for the feedback, it wasn't all that hard but I admit I have a lot of experience with building things...
Looks good, awesome job‼️🔥
Great work, looks awesome. Exactly what I want but I don't have any tracks that far back on my recon 120. This will definitely be helpful though, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the feedback, Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
@@pmm422thanks, I'll definitely have to share my plans. I just bought my recon 120 yesterday and my goal is to tow my kayak with my bike long distance and then mount my bike to the back of my kayak to be able to be able to go where ever I want. Going to be a big project but I think it's definitely possible.
@@NickolasHinderer That sounds even more exciting, I'll have to say that the wheels I used aren't as friction-less as a wheel mounted with sealed bearings so you'll need to research a bit to find a better solution than what I have. Mine work fine for short distances.
@@pmm422well the specific product you purchased is no longer available but yes, I definitely think the wheels need to have bearings, I believe harbor freight has a good selection of wheels. Your wheels do not have bearings..? After staring at the kayak for a bit I thought maybe I could fit something into the scupper holes and after a quick search sure enough I'm obviously not the first to think of this. so I went ahead and purchased a scupper hole cart in order to get in the water sooner than later. But I also think it'll be a good starting point where I'm thinking of inverting the rack so that the don't come from the bottom of the scupper holes but up and over the sides.
@@NickolasHinderer I think you can still buy them direct from Seamax, well at least they are still listed on their website. I see you can buy 16" wheels too, I might upgrade to those.
The problem I have with this style is the near full weight of the yak is hanging off 4 screws in the gunwales. Or, in this case, off the gear track. I tend to put a lot of stuff in my yak to tram it to the launch. I could have as much as 50 pounds of gear. Plus the water that got into the mull. Say 5 gallons (40 pounds)...
Yes this is true and I can assure you that my stuff isn't any lighter than you described. The only saving grace is that the live scope and seat are mounted to the cross member wheels which removes that weight from the track (about 25-30 pounds) but your concerns are valid. If I were designing a kayak to deal with this I would quadruple the number of inserts and screws in the track. Native seems to think that what they have is enough to deal with those stresses. I think that is tenuous assessment at best. Also keep in mind that about 20 of those pounds are being supported by you and the front handle but that still leaves over 120 pounds dangling on the cross member. The convenience of the load and unload and literally having to spend less than 30 seconds at the ramp is very appealing. So with all that I'm accepting the risk of potential damage to the hull to have that simplicity.
Great video, thank you
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated!
Glad it works for ya. ...I use a couple wheelbarrow wheels and an old oak 2X4 that's bouta hundred years old. Don't carry it on the yak. Could I spose, but don't.
Im running a Slayer Max 12.5 with Native Sidekick wheels. I have never had a problem as the 1%, that being said I don't abuse my gear. Your idea is neat - It doesn't seem to be 'one handed' which would be needed when launching or returning. A single person would need to slightly lift the kayak with one hand and disconnect and rotate the wheel with their other free hand. I would like to see more videos being used...maybe when it warmer...
Ya so far the only process that seems to need two hands while on the water is getting it out of the storage clips. it binds on the clip if using the handle I added. I'll try and do it by grasping the actual pin and let you know. This would be a big problem if I wasn't on a Titan. Oh thanks for the feedback very much appreciated.
After using it now for 6 months I stopped using the storage clips and just toss the wheels behind my storage crate. now it is completely a one handed deployment. with a little practice I can now attach the wheels on the water with ease and it takes about 20 seconds per side it's as convenient as I can make it.
When I add something to my kayaks, I use toggle bolts.
You can certainly do that and for most accessories I'm sure it would be fine aside from the size of hole you have to drill in the plastic. For something like the wheels where they are supporting 150 pounds and a tremendous shock load, I would not want that supported by such a small surface area.
I have the Boonedox on my PA 14, but with rubber tires, not the plastic flat ones (I ordered them, I think, in either 2016 or 2017). Going to their website, I am not sure they still offer the rubber tires - one picture with a blue kayak being carted to the water appears possibly to have them, but when you click on the picture, it comes up with a different kayak and flat plastic wheels. My problem - and I think you will have the same one - is that the wheels want to cloat, and putting them back on can be a struggle. It takes two hands - one to guide the wheel into the bar to be locked in, and the other to counteract the tendency to try to float upwards. And I think you will have the same issue - it is a two hand job in an awkward position, My recollection is that the flat plastic tires were adverrtized as for a sandy launch. NOTE: I went forward to your next video on the gear, and it looks like you may have resovled the floating tendency. Which, of course, will not work on my Boonedox. Oh well...
Ya because of the hinging action of the clip the water current pulls the wheel down and into the clip, so turns out to be rather easy. in this case the wheel floating is a bonus makes it impossible to lose. 🙂
What was the estimated cost?
Excellent question I linked everything but I should have an estimated cost on it as well. I'll work that up and reply backatcha. I'll also post it in the description as well.
Estimated cost would be approximately about $330.00 for the materials. (2023 pricing)
Seems like a lot of work ... !
Yes it was, but a lot of great things in life aren't "easy" 🙂
Do you know if that will fit a old town pdl 106??
OK, so the mounting portion was completely custom made so ya I could have made it to fit just about any Kayak. The limiting factor is, does it have strong enough gear rail and in the right places to mount it. If not you would need to install some aluminum mounting plates on the inside of the kayak but I have videos showing how to do that too.
Aw some job
Thanks I appreciate the feedback.
Done! My favorite place to hike is the pocket wilderness in Dayton Tennessee. I would love to have this tent it would be perfect for my wife and 3 kids when we go backpacking.