Some UC San Diego grad researchers claim they were bullied by their supervisors
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- Graduate researchers from University of California San Diego are speaking out with saying they experienced bullying from their supervisors.
"I had a supervisor, who basically took my hair and put it between a pair of scissors and held them an inch away from my face and said, that if I did not produce any brilliant ideas then he went cut off my hair,” said UC San Diego student researcher Nancy Yuan.
Yuan is finishing her fourth year as a PhD student in computational science, but says the Basic Science Professor she worked for physically and verbally threatened her five years ago.
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“encourage to reach out to UCSD…” they literally did and nothing happened 💀
Right. Like what’s the point.
@@jaysivv436 Documentation for potential litigation.
UC San Diego needs to be held accountable. This is unacceptable.
its at every university in every department
When you hire people based solely on their race and give them privileged status. So glad to see this happening at woke U.
@@drsuicide8474 Shut up forever. 😊
I think at a certain age, this behavior changes from "bullying" to "harassment"
Harassment and/or assault
Yep, happened to me during my PhD process. My university did nothing. After my PhD, got a law degree and law license. I would love to sue universities that take advantage of grad students. I also feel bad for the foreign kids because they hold their visa over their heads. Shameful.
Wow
What happened
Do it!
@@lolawilson1027 Need to be licensed in a particular state for a cause of action. I would take it on pro bono.
Kids these days are offended by the slighest things. I wouldn't be surprised if they were overstating what the professor did because it hurt their feelings.
I’m currently a doctoral student at UCSD. While I’m fortunate enough to not have had any problems, stories like these aren’t uncommon, mostly in the realm of emotional abuse. I’ve had friends with racist professors, professors that refuse to help them, and those that will constantly insult and belittle them. It’s not a majority of professors, but it’s still a problem. Most people have to solve the problems themselves by switching labs or dropping out. I’ve never heard anybody mention talking to the university directly since I think generally we don’t expect much to get done. It’s tragic. So much talent gets stifled in these situations and so many students suffer.
I think this is a problem that is rampant in academic unfortunately :[
@@amandabacon128 It's rampant everywhere. I've seen a lot of new engineering graduates getting harassed in various ways by others in construction engineering. There's thick skin, but from what I see, it seems more like setting up younger naive workers to become failures/incompetent.
Weak people in power.
Saddening. Disappointing. Infuriating.
This is a common problem in other universities too. I know many who faced this situation though I was fortunate to have a super cool PhD advisor.
Doesn't surprise me. My partner went here and ended up not graduating after dealing with the faculty there. Such a shame.
eh pardner!
@@bonsummers2657 🤠
My Mom was bullied her teachers here in the early 1970s becuase my Dad was in the Army/Vietnam War.
CALI is bad
That's why they didn't graduate? They could've transferred (like many of us did) or completed online but instead chose to be a perpetual victim, a shame indeed!
As a former PHD student in the Biological Sciences I can say I am not that suprised.
Wow
Did you finish?
Those professors should be named and shamed. This has been happening all over the US Universities.
Well the Indian professors are the biggest culprits, so yeah they need to look at cultural behavior
I worked in research at UCSD and can say that reports like this are 100 percent true. I ended up having to quit my dream position because my postdoc supervisor was horrendous to me and others. The PI and postdoc had no regard for the guidelines put in place to protect researchers.
Can't blame them, it's a cultural thing they say, especially with the Indians, they flout rules everywhere
Their has to be a third party involved indepedent from the school to investigate
whos the professor so we can avoid them
The main problem is how Professor view international students. They think that because they are in the US on an academic VISA, they can be used and abused without repercussions. They say this openly and the international students can’t say anything.
Not just schools. Companies across usa abuse work visa workers also
We really need to rethink this whole tenured system in the 21st century. I've met a few who'd bluntly stated that because of their tenured status, they weren't worried about getting fired for giving lousy lectures. And I'm talking about tier 1 schools.
Tenure has its benefits but also many cons such as greater potential for emotional abuse with little repercussions.
I graduated from UCSD in '14 and will never donate a dollar to my alma mater. They do not respect students.
Be the boss.
Totally agree.
Dud do you know people you hang around with you’re stupid as fuck
All the UC schools suck ass. They are overcrowded and no one cares about the undergrads
as a student at ucsd the fucking staff here have such a bad reputation, noone in the 4 years i've been here has ever said anything good about administration
It's terrible. I am an MPH student there and the way they advertised the cost of attendance was negligent at best - yet the school keeps asking students for money. They claim that it's to support underserved students - which is of course very important - but asking students working two jobs and taking out $70,000 in loans (at 6% interest no less) to shell out even more when the administration is raking in a record amount of $? Despicable
I really admire these graduate students and postdoc. I was in a similar situation when I was a graduate student working with a professor in Earth system science at UC Irvine. Our group members are so afraid of the dire consequences of reporting our hostile environment to the university. This hostile environment is so common and the funding agency for these professors should take initiatives!
Dudeeee yes. UC Irvine has some issues.
Who was the professor??
Hold the chancellor accountable
I've been a research staffer at a Midwest University for 32 years. I could list dozens of incidents. Basically if a professor has nice research funding, bad behavior is overlooked. Period. We have a very well funded female P.I. who has literally put hands on several Grad students. Many have seen people fleeing from her in tears. She has had over a dozen Grad and undergrads start and quit her lab, each one filing official complaints. Despite all the mandatory training we all must complete yearly regarding such behaviors, MONEY speaks louder to Universities than complaining students. I'm a female Veteran. I dare a bitch to put hands on me.
Can you tell us the name of the PI please
I got bullied when I was in Ucsd doing undergrad research,I was bullied by my PhD PI and I reported to the professor,the professor got my program terminated
Can you tell us the name of the Professor please
100% accurate. The only good thing about working under those horrible conditions was that I was always able to look at my current employment situation and say “this is way better than working at UCSD”.
Horrible, just horrible. I hope these poor individuals can find some sort of justice.
I'm not in academia but my friends were/are, and the amount of control their supervisors had over their entire career was unimaginable to me (at least I can find another company) and these professors weren't being held accountable for not doing their job or outright holding grudges against students
This is actually a common problem that happens throughout academia in the sciences. Time for the NIH to overhaul the way it hands out grants.
I work in San Diego, and the same behavior happens at work... the same toxicity gets passed around, allowing those in "cirlcle" to bully you out of the company.
It's mostly the Indians trying to get everyone else out.
scary these toxic environments perpetuate themselves like this
I used to want to be a professor but I had a bad experience with a professor who emotionally abused me for years. And you can’t speak up about it because word travels fast in academia :(
A college professor? Switch with another professor next school year. I never had the same professor for more than one class, at least not by force.
This not good time tough your students how respect your boundaries yeah specially you’re a professor you going to teacher hard learning to understand respect I been in a lot of learn don’t mass with Professor
@@vanessab.6682 You can’t easily switch. The professors all know each other and if you are already in a lab and want to switch they will ask you why. They most likely will believe the professor. Also even if you say you want to switch for research only they will think you’re not a good student and just want to change your project because you aren’t committed.
@@yatexasnycaflnvnigga what
@@vanessab.6682 It's for doing research under as a grad student, not classes lol
This happens in many graduate schools in US where they are abused by the professors. In addition to being cheap labor, some professor take them as a means to produce research paper so that professor tenure can be increased.
In some cases, capable students are not allowed to graduate until they publish Papers twice the nunber based on graduate school requirement.
Who do you think should produce research papers if not the students or postdocs? Also, professors don't set the salary, it's determined by NIH and the schools.
This has been going on since 2007!!!!!!
When my old best friends fiance was dropped from the math department phD and got a terminal masters instead due to the bullying.
Basically, professors are too important to be punished is what universities are saying.
The Dean of GPS also is someone who needs to be held accountable for the same behavior.
I was also bullied in high school and the staff did nothing it’s discrimination at its finest
While we are getting only one side of the story, I can say from personal observation that this sort of behavior by faculty, while uncommon, does occur, and should be addressed.
Bullying and harassment are happening at every workplace. To stop it, employees should stand up for each other and do all their mighty to protect each other. Do not act like I see nothing because today this person is bullied, tomorrow it will be me.
That’s why I left work with good one
Even if someone bullied can throw punches at them to stop the bully. I mean I think fighting will end it completely
I was beaten with a lead pipe by my english professor when i was a student there, she retired.
?
Lead piping?! Metoo - I was whacked with a Candlestick!
@@DaveTan65 in the Conservatory ?
Right
@@DaveTan65 was the professor Indian?
Wow. UC SD's response was such bullshit. I can smell it from the east coast.
LMAO 🤣
Good! Take your power back. That’s not bullying. That’s abuse and violence. Those people need to be locked up.
anti bullying measures should come as a free right to students, the fact that the students must fight for it to be on a contract is disturbing
The weird fact there Asian and why people would go against them.. most time they always get accepted by people and society .. but people like Mexican and black don't and we get treated like a joke.
I also experienced abuse at UCSD from the PhD student I worked for as an undergraduate, in turn I saw him bullied by our PI. I saw multiple highly respected PI’s in the material science space abuse their graduates students, including threats to their immigration status. I decided to switch my entire professional and academic goals because of those experiences. I am happy I did as well, but I do wonder if my experiences were different if I would have stayed at UCSD to earn a masters or PhD.
This is equivalent to domestic violence. I myself experienced similar problems with my thesis supervisor about 30 years ago but fortunately graduated with my degree. If you are unfortunate enough to have one of those advisers, you are basically like being in a hostage situation, especially if you are a foreign student. Either you choose to put up with it, or you switch adviser, but it is easier said than done, because If you decide to switch, all the time and effort invested is wasted and you have to start over again.
Don’t worry about me dud i have job manage their hire me big
UCScam Diego, doesn't surprise anyone.
My PI basically accepted me into the lab, told me to come up with my own project, had no funding for experiments, and told me to use existing data from a previous project to come up with new projects. Then another grad student took my idea
I work for UCSD n there management is outta hand. Disrespectful to say the least filed harrasment on supervisor 3 months ago now dealing with retaliation. Disrespectful n they like to be Lil there student workers instead of properly training them.
Not surprised. Professors at UCSD feel they are entitled. Take away their tenure.
Thank you guys for speaking out!
I'm an incoming PhD student at UCSD. This has me a bit worried.
Just come up with a brilliant idea and win 2 nobel prizes, you’ll be safe then.
Hello Jay, if your youtube name is any indication that you are a Physics/astro student. The physics department is really good in terms of the quality of the professors. I would be surprised if you had any problems with them. I'm a BS physics from UCSD 2020.
You should be worried
Based on personal experience, my advice is to talk with current students, postdocs, and members of other groups besides the ones you are interested in. Talk to a few people, and you should find someone who will be candid and reveal if there are any problems with the research faculty member.
@@jandjjandj9893 But sometimes they don’t tell you the truth. I asked the lab and they kept saying “just read papers, you’ll find a project”. But then after a few years I found out that the the other guy in the lab was in a totally different lab and had his project and funding from another lab. It was just me who had no funding or a project but they just kept telling me to read papers
It’s unfortunately common among researchers. A lot of my friends up and down the state have complained about this very thing - not just UCSD.
If my daughter would have been put through that I would be in jail for assault.
This kind of behavior is pervasive through all industries. I work for a nuclear station in arizona where the company is making a huge amount of money. But they still have people who say stuff to me, a woman, that if I dont have a kid, my eggs will dry up and my potential kids will have disabilities. And when I did try to speak up, I was told that I'm too sensitive and that I just need to learn how to take a joke and roll with the punches. The reality is that if I, or most people who are in this situation, speak up, we get bullied by supervisors, even other coworkers who want to stay in the good graces of the higher ups and not get fired.....
totally agree
Yes this is a very serious issue not just for PhD student but even for medical students in our clinical rotations. I personally experienced that with my internal medicine preceptor but I’m the type I defend myself without being disrespectful but he threatened me with my evaluation. So many of those are seriously ill and socially withdrawn! It’s crazy!
Well just be careful around Indians, they are pretty vindictive and abusive.
@J F B there's one distinct ethnicity that engages in this type of behavior way too frequently, get rid of them, almost 90 % of the problem will be solved..
@J F B sorry yt shadow banned your comment, use cryptic words or misspell in order to get thorough, this site does not like the trurh.
@J F B it's not just mobbing, bullying, threatening, insulting, everything. You're half right, these things can be perpetrated by someone from any group, but this particular group (and I'll spell it out for you, Indians), are much more prone to commit all of these than people from other ethnic groups. That's how they get things done in their country and they bring that culture to the west. They are a collectivist culture, hence they behave that way. So yes ethnicity and culture plays a huge role in it. Just look up the chancellor of ucsd and the complaints against him, and then check his ethnicity.
@J F B well, first, I'm east Indian myself. Indians use unfair tactics to get non Indians out of the sphere of competition. They also use it against Indians who are from a different caste or ethnic group than their own . The goal is to get their family members or cohorts into positions of power by bullying others to leave the organization. It's extremely common in India. Indians have now brought this culture to the USA and Europe. Statistically they are still a minority, so it won't show up in research easily, also they are a minority poc, so such truths will always remain buried for obvious reasons. A good recent example would be how upper caste Google employees forced the company to cancel a talk by a lower caste activist, that's just the tip of the iceberg. I agree such behavior can be seen in all ethnic groups, but it's frequency is much more pronounced amongst Indians. Lack of work ethics and moral grit and the Indian culture of getting what you want at any cost is responsible for this. Just look at India, a den of dirty politics and corruption. The West is making a big mistake by bringing these pests in, I agree there good, honest Indians too, unfortunately our numbers are too few. In fact we ourselves get targeted and harassed for not falling in line..
Here's why I didn't want to do graduate work:
Say for instance a professor took most of their grad student's ideas and data without their knowledge and published the work without giving credit to that student.
If that student opened up about this, their professor will most likely retaliate against them. If not, the student could get called out for plagiarism during their thesis defense.
so that is why i work for myself. can't escape abuse anywhere its socialized
I feel bad that they all went through harassment the last few years. But I really hope it sets a precedence bc there’s work place bullying at my job- and I dont think there’s enough support in the matter
School is full of shit who can we trust
I hope something is done bc it isn’t right for these fine young people to give up their dreams because an institute can’t manage a situation
This is extremely common in academia but also in workplaces. Also to the official statement, maybe I'm overly cynical, but they only care about those things to cover the organization, not because they actually care about people. Some admins do care about people, but they often have their hands tied behind their back by other admins or by the system itself.
In academia it’s harder to get around. Good luck getting a new position without your current supervisor letter of reference. You are basically stuck there. In a company it is easier to be relocated to another branch or area under the guidance of HR. In academia things do not function much like corporations. Inhale worked in both, at least this is what my experience says.
Bullying of any kind towards anyone is unacceptable.
UC Riverside's Math department is no different. They look for young, inexperienced applicants they can bully and punk. An experienced applicant won't put up with their shit.
It seems systemic. Too many professors who primary just went for ego.
UCR taking L after L. (first L is its existence).
scary, my brother has some form of ptsd from his program. scary. even with intellect there no dialogue . they just human.
This happens everywhere. It especially happens to foreign students. I saw it first hand as an undergraduate. The only student who stood up to the professor was from Canada and he was a superstar student so the professor wasn't going to kick him out or bully him. He needed him for grant money. Very sad.
My neighbor is a ucsd senior research professor, she mistook me to be one of her grad researcher! I got myself a lawyer!
I don’t understand why they don’t publicly name them. What have you got to lose?
Their visas
It's my understanding (perception) but I might be wrong. Naming the individual professor publicly means "your academic career ends here". No department will accept you as a PhD student, postdoc, and faculty.
right? We should be calling them out. Cancel them (these aren't good people to begin with). Let the people decide period.
I had similar experiences as well. I am a student majoring in counseling psychology and we all have to do Practicum for more on-hands work experience. I got a job at a local domestic violence shelter and almost did my honors internship there but I was getting bullied by the caseworkers there. I only worked there for 3 weeks and resigned after telling the executive directors that they’re doing a poor job as a leadership. Those caseworkers still work at that shelter and witnessed them bullying and verbally abusing the DV victims. I wrote down everything and still have all the emails. I’ll see those caseworkers out in public sometimes and I’ll look at them but they’ll quickly look away when I see them. I’m thinking they’re scared and they better be. I have all the evidence as to what they did to intimidate and bully me. I just want to help people especially the community I grew up in. A lot of graduate students are going through this mess, including myself. So please write everything down including names, times and dates. If you have to record what’s being said and keep it for a rainy day.
From EU to US, so expensive to study and travel just to experience verbal/physical abuse by individuals we expected to hone up their skillset and career path.
How about calling them out and listing these professors?
Im an incoming transfer student (although undergrad) and this has me really really worried
I keep getting UCSD emails to apply here but I think I'll skip this school :D
that’s right expose them
only way change happens
Name names. Then those "professors" will cease and desist.
Slander suits without concrete proof.
What is preventing UC San Diego from cutting ties with the anti-social professor causing these issues? I hope his superior isn't just as bad.
I got my PhD in university of Washington, when I was there a professor (in pathology I think) was removed for sexual misconduct issues raised for more than a decade. The school ignored allegations against the professor for so long because he was able to bring in a lot of grants. UW only decided to do something about it after the professor wasn’t able to bring in new grants.
There were multiple professors causing issues as they were all in different departments
ofccp, eeoc, and lawyers won't help. It is by far a loose-loose situation. The fight must be clear cut, with solid black and white evidence beyond reasonable doubt to be a case for challenging the rules governing the system.
A loose-loose? Are you a grad student? Wtf are you doing in grad school if you can't correctly spell lose-lose? And you act as if you're entitled to a slot
@@chrisr326 Educated people can still make typos. Get over it.
I wonder if such incidents are only reserved for engineering or natural sciences fields. I'm a doctoral student in social sciences (media psychology), and I've never experienced or even had someone in my circle experience such intense emotional abuse from any faculty we often work with. I've known people from other allied fields (psychology, anthropology, etc), and it seems they're all handled fairly and positively. Of course, I'm not denying one or two cases of abusive professors, but that is more of an exception than a norm, which is completely opposite to what I've heard from the people (and this video) I know in STEM fields. Our field is highly competitive, with (obviously) pubs being the criteria for getting premium positions; as such I wonder if there are specific cultural dynamics within STEM fields that enable the professors to be more abusive than someone in social sciences.
It also rarely happened in Accounting grad research, I know a lot of young grad researchers in the East Coast, nothing happened like that.
And I believe that the visa status of students also plays a factor in this kind of bully.
I am in social sciences (nursing) as well and have never experienced or heard such terrifying things in my community. Feel so sorry for those folks at UCSD.
Engineering and natural sciences are full of Indians, so yes therein lies the cultural factor
As an undergraduate alum of UCSD, I am not surprised at all.
Wow this is so unfortunate but it’s so true UCSD managers , professors etc are well know for these type of behaviors. I’m currently working at UCSD and sad to say that I’m experiencing the same thing and guess what dose UCSD care NOPE. You’re just another number to them your money thats all. And that statement UCSD made lmao they’re so full of it because even if you report it they don’t do NOTHING about it SAD . All I can say is we gotta continue to fight we CAN NOT let them get away with this. 💪🏽💪🏽
Well the head Dean I guess an Indian, himself was exposed for being a bully, bullying is in the blood of these people.
UCSD campus was designed in a way that prevents strikes or protests in front of their library building.
Pretty typical that those in authority have no repercussions for their actions at the university imo
That’s shameful.
These young kids these days can’t take a joke or a little verbal abuse
I was trained by a doctor once that called me a criminal by going to school and trying to obtain a license when I couldn't answer some of his questions (and usually on topics we haven't learned in class).
Must be an Indian
This is unacceptable these are highly intelligent individuals that you look up to not only as professors but as well as professionals later down in ones life that will impact you in your chosen career path. The UC system should definitely incorporate some method of psychiatric evaluation on these individuals to the point if they proven that there lost beyond proper reason then go with the steps of even revoking tenure, they are doing is a tremendous disservice to students in motivating them to become the future of professionals.
are we surprised? i had professors at Boston University give unfair grades to asian women and others who told their students that they don’t belong here and should never have been able to be in the major they were in (stem)
@@is8249 well a nin white person, i kinda agree with him on the SAME issue, not just sneaky, condescending,, abusive, vindictive and vulgar.
Professor: I gave them an entire semester to open the gate to the Upside-down World!
This won’t stop people from attending this school. They have a “Prestigious Name”
This will be forgotten in a month
Exactly. We all become slaves at the end. Sigh.
What’s their names?
Keep doing it for long time because they are untouchables.....no justice.
What do you mean?
Im sorry these students had to go through such abuse, given their statements are true. This hair grabbing story seems to be a pathological case, even prone to a law suit. Here at Penn State I have heard some histories from colleagues suffering under the supervision of their advisors. Some professors completely disregard their graduate students preferences and take control over their class selection, area of interest and even schedule sometimes. This would be enough of a deal breaker for me, but some students are ok with that. Now, when it comes to threats and emotional blackmail/abuse, these professors should lose their tenure immediately. I am glad I have never had any problems with my advisor Dr. Christopher Griffin, who treats me like a family member and is the main reason of my academic success. However, as a note of caution, I knew him relatively well before working for him. Some students are not that lucky, they are hired without getting to know their advisor and then it’s too late... My main advice for incoming graduate students: do not work on a topic or area that you don’t have interest in. Even though you most likely enjoy the major (otherwise what are you doing in grad school?) sometimes the only funding option in with a professor working on a topic that does not interest you. This is the path to failure. Great achievement and enjoyment in research comes only when your heart is in that area.
Countless stories like this in academia! And I have to say, the international students get the brunt of it.
Human does abuse each other, it happens in family, community, schools, work places, or entertainment field. Nothing would change this flaws of humanity. Hopefully and slowly, it might get better thru education. Stories like that are all over the human history.
Most know here in San Diego thug hate stupid welcome California it hard sometimes
I believe them. I’m a University of California alumni! UC Santa Cruz alumni 2007
I would love to know the name of the professor?
That is wild. Graduate school is brutal enough as it is
Sue them
I wonder if one of these people had shut the door and challenged one of these bullies in private would they keep it up? There are a lot of ways to get your point across without physically hurting anyone, but if you threaten, be ready to back it up.
The power structure would’ve come down on them tenfold, it’d only hurt them in the long run. It’s a lose lose game.
This is systemic. I know another student that was bullied.
physic department u say? let me guess, barreiro?
Do you have experiences you could share? I'm an incoming physics transfer and he teaches some required upper div courses I was looking into taking
So sad
UCSD is so big that u feel like an ant
Expose these bullies.
People need to call cops in situations like that, don’t go to people who protect those clowns.
Well I hope they complete their studies soon or switch to a different professor.
Not surprised, and not just in UCSD
Hi
My name is Sarah Naughten and I am a journalist from The Triton (UCSD’s independent student-run newspaper). I am currently working on a story about the treatment of academic workers at UCSD. I was wondering if you would be able to provide me with information about your experience as an academic worker at UCSD or if you would be able to put me in contact with anyone who would be interested in speaking with me.
My phone number is 925-876-8752 and my email is naughtensarah@gmail.com. Feel free to reach out at any time.
Thank you for your time.
Best,
Sarah Naughten
Horrible place boycott them.
Some professors think since they spent years working on there degrees that they put that on students.
Sad but unfortunately not surprising.
there’s a difference between physical threats and verbal/emotional harassment - I’m concerned at how many people are saying this is not uncommon and I hope people aren’t conflating their verbal/emotional experiences with what’s reported here
Oh my'