The organisers were prude assholes imo, why does their loadout get disqual just cause it's funny., they could've actually got somewhere with it, like others have done
Was it in the rules before the tournament? No? Then /eot. If organisers say "don't use this kind of kick" during some MMA fight is it fair? I don't think so.
Fair or not, if you want to stay in the tournament, you need to follow their rules. Complain about fairness afterwards. Don't be surprised if you're DQd for not playing along.
how weak does your ego have to be to forfeit because youre scared of losing...what point does a competitive gamemode make if people only pick the fights they can win? shameful display by our boys across the pond
Indeed im only lvl 51 in the game but im quiet good for my level so i always duel lvl 100 and plus just to become better i get my ass handed to me many times by them but i am now comfortably fighting high ranking players
From an NA player's POV (i'm on North), it was really disappointing. We were primarily focusing on tempest but knew that darkstar, and uwu would still be a decent match. So it was disappointing when them and darkstar sat out but we still had UWU. Then they came at us with peasants and fire mages because they knew they were losing... North as a whole was disappointed. We trained and spent alot of time preparing mechanically and strategically. Then UwU started throwing midway through the match with fire mages and peasant loadouts to save face and say "oh we weren't even trying." That was only the first group stages so hopefully the top 8 will be more eventful and we can have a real tournament.
"how dare these immature weebs sully our sacred e-sport" is what the start of the video sounded like. "how dare you meme when told not to that's like glitching" I mean can you get more stuck up?(also memer over glitcher any day) I couldn't care less about owo but if they are getting on the nerves of people this far up their arse than they are doing something right
@@abointedtoyblingofmats mike and ike,wheres my NZT? Please do tell me as to how you came into the conclusion of me crying more when I only had a piece in mind And please do remind me how to cry more,you seem to be the type to be a professional at it
Damn that's pretty disrespectful, imagine all the really good players that can't play in tournaments and have to watch these ungrateful people acting like children smh my head.
I was an early Mordhau NA comp player, my team was short lived but from the small amount of time I was able to see what these guys are like. I swear some of these guys are the most toxic people I've ever spoken to man. It doesn't shock me one bit that this is what happens when you let them compete against one another. No honor, just big sweaty ego's.
@@jimmythecrow honestly, this is kinda why i sometimes stay away from mainly multiplayer games unless i can just play with friends, most random online people are pieces of shit lol
Outside perspective here: I heard a lot of complaining about the size of/lack of prize pools for these events, particularly from the NA players, but how can you expect these organisers to put up significant prize pools for what essentially amounts to a piss up? If you’re not going to take the event seriously, you can’t expect to be given serious prizes. People who tune in to try watch this competitive scene are going to see teams forfeiting, throwing and memeing - they’re going to see that and just go straight back to watching casual play, because why wouldn’t they? There’s barely a difference if teams behave like that. You have to be the change you want, if you want the competitive scene to grow outside of the core player base, you have to take the events seriously and pull in the people who are searching for entertaining competitive play. Flair and entertainment value is fine, particularly in an e-sport setting but there’s a limit, putting out a whole team with meme load outs (regardless of whether you’re winning or losing the round) is not only disrespectful to the opposing team’s hard work, but it just screams “this isn’t a competitive scene”. This isn’t hate against either side, i just think the whole scene needs to have a look at the way it’s coming across to people outside of the core player base and consider that if they want to grow the sport and make it serious, they have to change and take themselves seriously first, or you can’t expect others to.
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i would pay alot for a meme match even though its a serious tournament tbh i would kinda like that but thats me.
Bags 4 Days ofcourse not its a niche genre but those niche fans deserve a proper tournament with proper matchups and not some dickheads running around with a fucking hoe.
Well if they can have moderate success with meme loadouts then maybe it's not really a competitive scene... That Giru fella can take out TriHards consistently with a fucking frying pan. Although that does show how good he is which suggests the game is very skill-based. Let people play what they want.
what an absolute meme, I played star wars battlefront 2015 competitively for a while and despite having a playerbase of LITERALLY 100-200 people (on a good day) people still take it seriously and try to win. battlefront 2015 tournaments would turn into bloodsports over a $5 prize pool split between 4 people, meanwhile these clowns don't appreciate what they have available to them
@@jimmythecrow You've massively misunderstood the definition of cultural racism, or, you're just using it wrong on purpose to try and appear as if you didn't make a mistake. Cultural Racism still requires an aspect of race vs race. "It's really American of them." holds no such aspect, it was xenophobic.
I will say that it is pretty sad to see 2 teams forfeit. Especially because my team was knocked out before the finals. I know that we would still try even if the match meant nothing, simply because we genuinely want to improve at the game. But I can only speak for myself. I wish some of these “top NA teams” actually cared about the future of Mordhau.
This is genuinely sad honestly. Im na and im just embarrassed. These apes actually think memeing in GF is the same as memeing in early pool matches. You guys had the courtesy of actually trying in semi/grand finals, and it was very fun to watch. Its pretty obvious these guys have ego issues and are afraid that they would lose if they actually tried. Fuckin' pathetic guys..
People arguing in bad faith, being dishonest staing contradictory things, being noisy for no reason, strawmanning arguments etc... What a depressing meeting.
i can understand why you wanted to be paid to cast if the matches were this pitiable. it takes an impressive amount of missing spine to not be able to admit defeat in this way like these players do
Only point I agree with: There's a case of the pot calling the kettle black where VK goes and memes in tourneys where they're gonna win the match, yet other teams can't do the same troll. The only difference is "well we were gonna win, so therefore it's not trolling". It's still a disrespect, and it's hypocritical to tell one team "don't do this or your banned" but when you're a community influence and a strong team it's magically a-okay for you do the same thing. It's straight up a logical fallacy. I agree that yes, it gets publicity, and yes it's not a throw. But it still really hurts your case, and you could argue it's what inspires other teams to try the same strats when instead they could be trying their hardest and we'd have more high intensity match to show for it. Maybe if VK never tossed rocks or went Sparticus on tourneys people wouldn't try to do the same. Maybe a stretch, but it's now a contentious point. Again, I agree with you that there's *degrees* (not many) of nuance here, but the point stands that you need to walk the talk. Good video, great points, and to be completely honest *their* argument is also a fallacy, a red-herring specifically. In fact, pretty much half the rubbish out of their mouths was riddled with poor-bait and straight up infantile rejection of critique. Truly pathetic.
It's an issue that wont present itself again so long as future events have a prize pool as this will naturally encourage teams to play properly whenever they're at risk of losing, but you'd still expect teams to want to win without one like in EU
Benton Pellet VK put on a show because they knew they could win, hence creating hype and loads of views on YT. NA decided to joke in the grand finals, realised they couldn't win and forfeited. "It's still disrespect" not really, it legitimately shows skill. Depending on the load out and weapons used in the battle if they're not broken weapons like the maul or short spear and shield then it is alright! Just because someone is better than you doesn't automatically mean they're Toxic or trying to disrespect the players, all they did was make the game harder for themselves so that it's a good fight and not completely one sided, this is known as going easy on a player as you are aware of your and their skill so decided to give them a chance. Same as in football if the player knew he's better than the other he attempts skills to beat the other player, preforming skills can be difficult but pay off well or not pay off at all. VK had skill NA had none
*I know this is long but just read it* This is an absolute pathetic joke. On both sides of the spectrum. The tournament rules should be stiff and firm. Outlining the format of the tournament as well as giving the rules in a quick, easy, and short manner. They should not be A) Making rules up on the fly, and B) Creating and adding more and more rules after each tournament, that are entirely situational. IE "No team losing shall use the carving knife...." etc. That just makes the rule book needlessly long, and pisses players off. Making them unlikely to return to that tournament. Thus killing the competitive scene of the game, which decreases exposure. Which is what this game needs. Serious players will rise to the top, and eventually populate the teams. Then we will see less and less meme comps coming out when a team is losing. Then on the other side of this. Players should be allowed to do what they want within reason. Watching high level play is interesting, but cheesing your way into a win is also interesting and is a part of the game. Thus should be allowed. It makes for a far more interesting tournament when I know a team isn't going to get banned for running around with a meme comp. I might get to see it, I might not. Either way, cheesing is apart of this game and it should be allowed. Albeit, if the team is just intentionally throwing, like picking peasants and just emoting while people kill them, then that should be sent to the higher ups of the tourney where a decision can be made. But if a team is just memeing to have fun or to cheese in a a win, then it should be allowed. To ban something like that is an insult to the team dealing with the memers. It not only insults their competency and ability as players, but their over all skill.
Gotta love the guy bringing up LoL, Mordhau needs good tournament content if they want the game to grow and get any kind of viewership, killing off a tournament by trolling and not showing up is a pretty good way to not get your game to grow.
The game will grow thanks to personalities not because of competitive play. Because the game is already dead in terms of people interested in its actual gameplay. Its niche and the tournaments should have been being ran when all the content creators and streamers were playing in early BETA and release days. That would have attracted a stable viewership when exposure was still good. But that momentum has been lost and the game will not recover to its former glories and people need to learn that.
Context shouldn't matter when in a comp scene either everything is serious or nothing is. If you want to tell people to not meme dont promote it yourself. Thats just hypocritical no matter the context consider the events in a vacuums a competition should be just that.
@@Stouty So Its ok if the winners do it but if the team who know they are gonna lose do it they are bad? All because they wanted to have a little fun instead of just lose in a game that had no bearing on their placement in a tournament that offers money. Like seriously you have to be able to see that memeing if you are winning is worse as it shows you dont respect the other team or the tournament you arent giving it your best. The losing team should have as much freedom to dick around as the winners, it shouldn't be 1 sided just because you didnt enjoy it or thought it a waste of time. I thought it was fucking hilarious and was worth my time compared to oh you know having teams just forfeit matches and making the tournament shorter. I thought it was a great punishment to force the organisers who couldn't even get a proper tourney scene going too sit and watch. If you can not get dedicated teams for a comp scene dont have one. Maybe if people set an example of not memeing you wont get these scenarios occurring.
These guys are acting like children, its a professional tournament with a very real prize pool and they waste peoples time and then say that they did nothing wrong and start crying when someone proves them otherwise.
They were just competing for entrance to the real tournament. There was no prize pool for this tournament. I wouldnt try either, It would give enemies more time and gameplay to find my weaknesses and playstyles.
What im hearing from this is everyone should just stop memeing. Be competive show sportsmanship and just give the loseing team respect. Also who ever runs these tournaments needs to be clear in saying no memeing or auto disqualification no ifs and or buts.
I disagree, I think meme loadouts actually lead to closer/more entertaining matches in otherwise stomp one sided games but there's no place for them when two tier 1 teams go head to head, ideally cash prizes would incentivise players to play serious in the finals but in the absence of this I'd still expect teams to care about winning like in EU
@@Stouty I get you want it to be entertaining. I just think its super disrespectful to not do you best against any tier that is considered competitive. Because the other team is giveing it their all. I grew up believing in sportsmanship and showing respect to competitors. But anyways ultimately I have no say in this and im sure you all will figure it out hopefully for the better but if memeing keeps goin on idk if I can keep watching it.
@@Soontobeno1 memeing is disrespectful to an extent but if you can pull it off like VK does it's a flex and ultimately drives up interest in the game, people can disagree on whether or not bad manners should be against the rules but I think we can all agree that every team should be playing to win
@@Stouty its pretendable that you defend that kind of playstyle stouty, but i think jake james is right. Memeing is fun and interesting for youtube videos but not something that is enjoyable if you like competitive matches. I want to see people playing, what weapons they use, what kind of movement, what tactic, what teamplay. All that is lost in meme games. I would never watch that. It is also rarely seen in very competitive environments like sc2, csgo, lol; they attract a lot of viewers who do not even play the games (like me). It is the competitive mentality what brings them there (including me). So I think if you want to work on an competitive environment and play a competitive game, you should play competitive. Otherwise this game will always be a kindergarden in an competitive aspect and drive those people away that like exactly that. And tbh. why would anyone want to be a competitive player in this game, when its a kindergarden. So I think its not about bad manners, its about getting the right mentality, a player and viewer growth and some intense action. Something you will never acquire with flexing. Just my thoughts.
They have a pretty solid point in arguing you're a hypocrite for thinking it's fine to use meme loadouts to snub your opponent when you're certain they'd lose anyway. It's fundamentally the exact same principle, you're just railing against it when they're doing it. Either don't do it at all or admit you have an egregious double standard. All I could notice throughout was you danced away from acknowledging that yes, you're happy to cheapen the concept of competition when it suits you but when someone else does it in a way you dislike suddenly it's an issue of gigantic proportions and a mockery you can't abide is being made of the spirit of things. The closest you came was justifying it with the excuse of 'oh well publicity.' Okay? What's that mean? Doesn't address the core criticism in any way. Doesn't matter if it gives you the attention you admittedly crave, that has nothing to do with the point. Lame showing on both sides, and I'm ultimately left inclined to agree with whoever told you to hang yourself because it's quite funny and none of you produced anything more worthwhile from this whole debate.
@@Stouty Yes, I'm aware you misunderstand the point they were making and by extension mine. Irregardless, I'll say it again - fundamentally, you do not have any issue with what they did. That is an undeniable fact by your own admission whether you are cognisant of it or not, an inescapable truth which doesn't respect time or place at the - and I am stressing this - FUNDAMENTAL level. That's the core issue of why it's hard to take your righteous indignation seriously. You're not morally superior to them, you just possess a supposed better sense of timing in performing an identical insult, both of which undermine the spirit of competition. Once you move away from that all you can argue is the rather pedantic detail of whether it's more respectful to slowly, tortuously belittle your opponent into a defeat whilst calling it a handicap or just finish things quickly and efficiently and let everyone be on your way. Personally, to me it's obvious which I prefer from having been on both sides of the scenario. I'd say you're delusional if you think your method is kindness, but you again don't have an issue with admitting you don't think it is so that's hardly relevant.
@@Stouty Right. That's the point though that you can't seem to understand, which is surprising since it's remarkably obvious. If it is about winning then you should win well and attempt to perform at your best in all scenarios. This is common sense, no one will dispute this. You are 100% correct in saying what they did was reprehensible or even outright wrong. What makes you look hilariously dumb is you're happy to brush your own instances of NOT doing that under the rug merely because of the laughable excuse that 'oh well my mitigating circumstances are [x] and [y].' Again, doesn't matter. The point is there's no mitigation for the principle. It's still principally doing the exact same thing. You didn't acknowledge that when they pointed it out and you clearly won't do it here either. Don't preach a standard or spirit of things when you'll willingly engage in the same behaviour whilst passing it off for whatever reason suits you - that is definitively hypocrisy. These things are aesthetically contradictory. I digress, if you are incapable of seeing this fairly straight-forward point I don't especially care to go back and forth with you on it.
Meme builds that work aren't unprofessional. If you open up with it but plan to actually try despite the disadvantage afterwards if it's not working, it's a possibly viable strat.
@@gavir4379 it wasn't about the viability of meme builds. The tournament organisers prohibited their use and they used them anyway. The only motive being to be dq'd to save face because they couldn't win.
K W the tournament was a no rules tournament no loadout restrictions at all and every siege weapon or degenerate strategy short of outright cheating was condoned.
They're absolutely right, though. Banning them for this is just setting a stupid precedent you will have to go back on in the future no matter what. Weird strats are still strats, you can't just ban whatever you don't like.
Claiming that memeing when you know you'll win is less toxic than memeing when you know you'll lose is insane. They shouldn't have played peasants in the finals but in no way should it have been banned.
Chad EU: Memes in early pools to make unavoidable squashes entertaining, takes it seriously in real matches to demonstrate skill Virgin NA: Squashes in early pools, puts everyone to sleep, hides any signs of actually competing to avoid hurting tiny ego
Stouty as an outsider I just have 1 point to make, you’re upset at these NA using troll loud outs even the the Eu team that won trolled the entire time right? Wasn’t giru’s team throwing rocks no armor the entire time? Kind of set an example wouldn’t you say? Not to say that justifies it but, you gotta be upset at both not just the NA scene and you gotta come with ideas on how to fix it. Personally I was a very disappointed viewer for both tourneys so I’d like to see it get fixed.
Wow, they're so entitled. Imagine being so full of yourself like you expect cash prizes and pay-outs in a growing competitive scene. These people shouldn't be allowed to compete again.
Just because its a “growing” comp scene doesnt mean that every comp player is willing to play for nothing. Would you work extra hours where you got no compensation. Your right, people are entitled. Entitled to the value of their labor. Do you expect everyone in the comp scene to be a charity case in the hopes of one day making it big? Fuck that people have bills to pay man. If they want people to come and spend their own fucking time to play in their tournament that they make money off of it is completely reasonable to expect to be compensated for that. The difference between uwu and the teams that decided to not play is that uwu is a bunch of trolls. Beyond playing for the time that is actually going to give rewards, ie the matches up till you qualify for the real money league, i see no reason to expect people to stick around.
@@Stalutes64 This is a really terrible take, and for many reasons. For one, you lack the understanding of what creates comp scenes and what has created esports as an entire industry. Passion. There were no investors, no companies, and no prize pools in the early days. People played because they wanted to be the very fucking best, and they already did that in non-tournament ranked settings. Tournaments were a chance to test themselves at a higher degree, and gain renown for their efforts. As views spiked, followings were created, and revenue pumped into the scene; a prize pool began to form to further support and bring life to the competition. So what steps are missing here? Mordhau is not a big game, Mordhau does not have a huge following, nor does it have established or safe investments for companies within its esports scene. This means the only thing that can drive or bring life to it is passion. The passion to play, gain followings, and create amazing moments for more popularity. Your viewpoint is exceptionally entitled, and you completely miss the entire origin story or growth cycle of an esports industry as well as small-time competitive scene. But to put it even more simply for you. No one invests in something with no return. Tournament winnings are investments. No views? No big scene? No huge names? No safe investment. They trolled and spit on their own platform to success. They contributed directly to harming the possibility of future prize pools, instead of showcasing their passion, hyping people up, and attracting more views as well as potential for investors to consider Mordhau's scene a safe investment. Money doesn't grow on tree's.
"If you can meme and win comfortably" so the cutoff is if the matchup isn't fair and your going to win anyway you can play meme loadouts? But if your going to lose and you know it so you start memeing it's suddenly bad? Fuck some people are so sweaty about a spin 2 win game.
I guess one of Stouty's points is that competing teams should try to win and it doesn't matter if they troll as long as they're sure they're winning. It's all about winning basicly. Trolling without intention of winning ruins the competition. Another point mentioned by someone in the video is that trolling has negative consequences even when the trolling team is sure of a win. Apart from getting disrespect, the losing team loses motivation and ability to improve when the other team shits on them with suboptimal strats. My take is that trolling by better teams should be kept at a reasonable level to respect less experienced comp players. Also so we can get an good representation of skill gap and how better teams actually outplay others in a fair fight.
I am ashamed as an NA player, but I relish in the fact that they are subhuman UWU weebs, perhaps just DQ them from competitive play all together. Considering how they acted during this conversation.
No need to remove a team from an already sparse community, this issue won't happen again so long as there's money on the line. Still you'd expect teams to compete and win regardless of the money
Thanks for sharing this video, as well as arguing your point. Tuning into a tournament stream and seeing losing teams trolling, using peasant builds and dropping out is the fastest way to kill any interest in comp Mord. I don't understand how anyone that wants the scene to grow/be profitable thinks this is the way to achieve that.
So basically EU - Willing to cheat in tournaments with no prize money NA - Willing to defy tourney hosts in order to continue to have fun and then get DQ'd when money is on the line NA is pretty based tbh
Having been on the FPM seen since Chivalry Medieval Warfare, the level of toxicity and trolling on American servers has always been extremely high. So to see it leak into comp in these types of games honestly doesn't surprise me. It surprises me that it does surprise you.
"meme loadouts" are a viable strat. Comp ruins every game, just makes everyone sweaty and the sweat infection spreads to casual. If youre not allowed to use something in the game, obviously the game is too "broken" for comp.
I dont get why NA is so awful, surely if youre playing a comp scene it should be treated as such, even if youre afraid of losing, just play and try your best, right? (also in video, check the chat at 22:35 yay)
Regarding the comp scene and the growth of this game. New players don't buy this game because of high end 5v5 slug fest. They buy it because of the silly meme builds, frying pans, and general choas that makes us all laugh. The main issue with tournaments is there just bland fest, no average joe is going to understand the technical side of the fighting. They need objectives, and other things audiences can actually visualize. This also will help with teams that might not have the best melee game, who can outsmart teams rather then simply out play them.
I wouldn't say that its better to meme when you're the favorite team in a tourney (ahem...british hooligans). I bet most of the teams would like to get ''fair'' fight and not get memed. Ofc its funny to watch but still.
at least vs hooligans some of the lower teams can hope to get a round or two, I don't think lower teams even mind playing against it rather than a pure stomp loadout
I can definitely see why what the NA teams did was wrong, but i feel like the solution is clear here, stop trolling in any match for any reason. Why should there be any ambiguity? Is it that important to run rocks and peasants? Just stop doing it and promote a more serious scene overall if thats truly what youre looking for. Its as easy as that, but for some reason both sides want to keep their trolling in competitive matches alive. As a viewer it would be much more interesting to see the actual game all the time instead of when people think it might actually be a close match,or in the case of NA, when they dont need a scapegoat for losing. More rigid tournament rules could fix all of this from happening again. Hopefully we wont see dumb shit like this again.
Going off meta or "good" tactics is a viable stragty, because the enemy teams will not be used to the style of play. They shouldnt have had there load outs banned.
What’s wrong with letting someone compete with a certain load out? Even if it’s a meme load out the same could be applied to someone using something like pole arm too much, “We don’t like what you are using, change it,” seems a bit fucked up to me.
It's really disgusting how the concept of expectation just seems alien them, and they outright refuse to acknowledge how there behavior betrays the organizers, and community.
I can’t defend NA, but god damn is the amount of region hate high. Seems like everyone is looking for justification to high horse our scene. I’m an NA player on Team North, and there are teams who don’t act this way. We just want to play a competitive game, this is not an accurate representation of the entire scene, but unfortunately it does exist and there’s nothing we can do about it.
I love how they all just dont give a shit and completely ignore stouty as they talk about their own stuff. Meanwhile stouty just sits there quietly murmuring.
And here I am wondering why it's hard to find a clan that would take things as seriously as I do. I'd love to compete even though I know I'd get destroyed just so I can further understand how much more I need to practice.
Don't know why people are so butthurt. Let people play the game how they want or don't have those loadouts/classes/whatever in the game. You can't seriously expect to disqualify people for using something that is in your game that you designed without looking ridiculous.
Okay so... this was an absolute trainwreck of a conversation, but I DO UNDERSTAND some of the points they were trying to make. I couldn't understand how playing with a disavantadge is being seen as such a bad move. It was a call from their team, and they were still trying. It all ends up as entertainment in the end. Sure, it's "trolling" or "memeing", but honestly, if your adversary does this, why would it be such a deal? Just play how you would normally play, it could still end up as a great match. And if it's a serious competition, hey your job just got easier! You have a higher chance of winning now, while at the same time people from the "outside" of the scene can be more entertained. On that note... not sure who that was, but someone said the NA scene was "pandering to the casuals" at one point. Honestly that's just a bad way of thinking about the community in general, in my opinion. Comp player or casual, you are a fan of the game. Casual players can also enjoy the comp scene. That sort of segregation just end up splitting the community of a game more and more. That's how I see it at least. TL,DR; Some players took a match way too seriously, causing unnecessary drama about it. Of course, I'm not saying you have to approve of what NA did or even like them as players, but just... I don't know. You got to fight peasants! Just take the advantage.
I stopped playing Mordhau competitively because of teams / individuals like this that refuse to fight, troll, or just don't care. It's essentially meet peoples unrealistic quotas or just stay at the same skill level forever. Mordhau competitive isn't even genuinely that fun when I remember going hard at it. Just a lot of drama on the NA side of things.
This attitude is the worst. There are so many people playing competitive in smaller games who would be glad if there was ANY prize money at all. And yet, they take it as serious as possible. As much as I agree with you though, being toxic towards less-skilled teams is really bad lack of sportsmanship. Maybe it's good for publicity, but that doesn't make it any better.
i tuned into the tournament hoping to see some actual games, i was disappointed. to the teams who ruined this, you are a disgrace. also sorry to the casters who had to deal with this shit
From a regular player's point of view, I see no problem in people rocking meme builds, it is their prerogative. Sure it's disrespectful to the other team, but so what? It adds flavor and character to each of the teams, which translates to you routing for or against them. I'm not sure what the rules were when the tournament started, but if the "no meme builds" rule was added halfway through, then the organizers are incompetent. They should not be making rule changes whilst the tournament is in progress. Instead, revise the rules for the next tournament. Also, I don't understand the reasoning behind why it's okay to meme if you're winning, but not if you're losing. It is especially disrespectful to meme someone you're beating, except of course, if you are PainandHumiliation, who is by far the most fun player to watch. If an average group decides to meme a super-tryhard group after losing a few rounds, it turns from a massacre to something a little more entertaining to watch. And after watching dudes feint each other to death for half an hour straight, it sure is a welcome sight.
It's an issue that fixes itself when prize pools are presents - why meme when you could instead win money? That being said I think memeing whilst losing or from the very start as an underdog to lose even harder is pretty pathetic; it sucks to watch, it doesn't give you experience and shows the weak mental attitude of the team
If you wish to meme in a event that’s fine. Your more then likely to loose for it and be destroyed. But when a Ref or position of power says stop you stop. Then to complain and for some teams to not even attempt is where I see the fault lies.
As someone who has organized eSport Tournaments I can tell you how much fucking work it is for the organizers. I would have been so mad as an admin. Unbelievable.
the organizers argument either changes constantly based on whatever arguments they have to counter or just calls them trash, even though they won a few matches with memes.
Its sad that you can tell they're not even thinking, just splurting out the first thing they can think of. Even when somone makes a good point they completely ignore it and try to discredit it using fallacies
Jesus, these guys care so much about their egos they behave like edgy teenagers that get easily irritated and salty, after which they try go give some half assed explanation to prove their """point""".
Given that Venatus went on to not pay out the 6v6 League prize pool, it looks like NA were justified in trolling those finals 3 years ago!
Various levels of tomfoolery all the way to the top
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NA's foresight being impeccable as always.
Get told by organizers to stop using meme loadouts
Continue doing it
WE GOT SCAMMED OUT OF OUR CHANCE DUDE
That's mort don't take him too seriously lmfao
That's like cloud9 trolling in the finals with negevs and zeuses, gettings disqualified and then complaining that they got scammed xdd
The organisers were prude assholes imo, why does their loadout get disqual just cause it's funny., they could've actually got somewhere with it, like others have done
Was it in the rules before the tournament? No? Then /eot.
If organisers say "don't use this kind of kick" during some MMA fight is it fair? I don't think so.
Fair or not, if you want to stay in the tournament, you need to follow their rules. Complain about fairness afterwards. Don't be surprised if you're DQd for not playing along.
Unfortunate as there are probably loads of amateur teams who would've killed for the experience.
Glad EU scene hasn't devolved to this.
Donal Murphy wtf is an amateur team all of the comp teams in NA that wanted to play in qualifiers could have
@@baldweinerr1573 I think he meant reach the finals
@@baldweinerr1573 LIKE ME
I bet the team that competed against VK in “british hooligans” would have killed for experience too.
@@Stouty then they should get better :smile:
how weak does your ego have to be to forfeit because youre scared of losing...what point does a competitive gamemode make if people only pick the fights they can win? shameful display by our boys across the pond
Indeed im only lvl 51 in the game but im quiet good for my level so i always duel lvl 100 and plus just to become better i get my ass handed to me many times by them but i am now comfortably fighting high ranking players
Risi hihihihi
@@quintenverbist6443 yea I'm level 22 and can easily defeat everyone above level 90
Cedric Tao indeed m8 but the thing is players like us dont get the chance to be out there in those events because of these dickheads.
@@quintenverbist6443 yea
From an NA player's POV (i'm on North), it was really disappointing. We were primarily focusing on tempest but knew that darkstar, and uwu would still be a decent match. So it was disappointing when them and darkstar sat out but we still had UWU. Then they came at us with peasants and fire mages because they knew they were losing... North as a whole was disappointed.
We trained and spent alot of time preparing mechanically and strategically. Then UwU started throwing midway through the match with fire mages and peasant loadouts to save face and say "oh we weren't even trying."
That was only the first group stages so hopefully the top 8 will be more eventful and we can have a real tournament.
If they won a game with carving knives isnt that technically winning?
I'm sorry Blink kun. I can promise you Dark Star won't disappoint you anymore. I know of your hard training and it will be rewarded.
D Blink Man I was looking forward to tempest and north so much
@@miroslawmical8011 they didnt win and they woildnt have won.
@@miroslawmical8011 They won vs another team also memeing leading to a clown fiesta that UwU managed to scrape through
My god these guys are immature, its frustrating to listen to I can't imagine what it was like to argue with them.
^
"how dare these immature weebs sully our sacred e-sport" is what the start of the video sounded like. "how dare you meme when told not to that's like glitching" I mean can you get more stuck up?(also memer over glitcher any day) I couldn't care less about owo but if they are getting on the nerves of people this far up their arse than they are doing something right
Try phone support, customer service...id imagine youll get a good idea then
oh you can meme when told not to it’s when you get dqed and whine like a little kid because you’re entitled
They're ALL immature
People thinking its alright to waste others peoples time
I wouldve killed to play such an experience
NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T WASTE MY VIDEO GAME TIME MOMMY GAVE TO ME NOOOOOO NOT THE VIDEO GAMES PLEASE
ike allright goblin back to the cage
@@abointedtoyblingofmats mommy doesnt pay you a 1000 dollar prize pool to win in video games so youre pretty pathetic
@@stargazer_jay cry more
@@abointedtoyblingofmats mike and ike,wheres my NZT?
Please do tell me as to how you came into the conclusion of me crying more when I only had a piece in mind
And please do remind me how to cry more,you seem to be the type to be a professional at it
NA argument logic: whoever makes the loudest ape noises wins the argument
@Jane Doe I'd say whoever swears the most in EU wins tbh 😂😂😂
@Jane Doe Well the thing he was retorting was weak as well.
"You had a 100 die hard fans who tuned into just garbage. Me one of them." My heart stouty
8:40 best part
Risi could sum the whole thing up in that one sentence
what do you mean I have to play competitively against better teams if I'm in the comp scene lol seething EU tryhard!
Risi dude how does anyone like ronguat honesty? “I don’t even play this game. I’m only part of this community to make money off of it”
Damn that's pretty disrespectful, imagine all the really good players that can't play in tournaments and have to watch these ungrateful people acting like children smh my head.
Sir Joey The White smh means “shake my head”
@@brandonblack9818 r/wooosh
British Hooligans Vandalize $4000 Tournament.
Stouty letting these irl peasants know whats up. Hard to believe how immature some of those guys were.
SamHeartsHalo they’re NA mordhau players lol
Bags 4 Days see a true NA response
Bags 4 Days only proved my point lmfao. I’m an NA player by the way. Don’t have to side with you egomaniacs who cry at everything
Bags 4 Days you apparently don’t since you can’t even clearly state your point
Bags 4 Days how are the rules unclear?
I was an early Mordhau NA comp player, my team was short lived but from the small amount of time I was able to see what these guys are like. I swear some of these guys are the most toxic people I've ever spoken to man. It doesn't shock me one bit that this is what happens when you let them compete against one another. No honor, just big sweaty ego's.
@@jimmythecrow honestly, this is kinda why i sometimes stay away from mainly multiplayer games unless i can just play with friends, most random online people are pieces of shit lol
Outside perspective here: I heard a lot of complaining about the size of/lack of prize pools for these events, particularly from the NA players, but how can you expect these organisers to put up significant prize pools for what essentially amounts to a piss up? If you’re not going to take the event seriously, you can’t expect to be given serious prizes. People who tune in to try watch this competitive scene are going to see teams forfeiting, throwing and memeing - they’re going to see that and just go straight back to watching casual play, because why wouldn’t they? There’s barely a difference if teams behave like that.
You have to be the change you want, if you want the competitive scene to grow outside of the core player base, you have to take the events seriously and pull in the people who are searching for entertaining competitive play.
Flair and entertainment value is fine, particularly in an e-sport setting but there’s a limit, putting out a whole team with meme load outs (regardless of whether you’re winning or losing the round) is not only disrespectful to the opposing team’s hard work, but it just screams “this isn’t a competitive scene”.
This isn’t hate against either side, i just think the whole scene needs to have a look at the way it’s coming across to people outside of the core player base and consider that if they want to grow the sport and make it serious, they have to change and take themselves seriously first, or you can’t expect others to.
i would pay alot for a meme match even though its a serious tournament tbh i would kinda like that but thats me.
the "organizers" set a ruleset and didnt even follow it on their own servers y would anyone give af bout stuff liek tht
Bags 4 Days ofcourse not its a niche genre but those niche fans deserve a proper tournament with proper matchups and not some dickheads running around with a fucking hoe.
Well if they can have moderate success with meme loadouts then maybe it's not really a competitive scene...
That Giru fella can take out TriHards consistently with a fucking frying pan. Although that does show how good he is which suggests the game is very skill-based.
Let people play what they want.
Can’t be a king if you still want attention from the village. Those kids just doing it for shits and giggles. Hope a real NA team steps up.
what an absolute meme, I played star wars battlefront 2015 competitively for a while and despite having a playerbase of LITERALLY 100-200 people (on a good day) people still take it seriously and try to win. battlefront 2015 tournaments would turn into bloodsports over a $5 prize pool split between 4 people, meanwhile these clowns don't appreciate what they have available to them
It's really American of them. Never will there be enough for them.
@@jimmythecrow American isn't a race you dunce. He is being xenophobic.
Bags 4 Days maybe if those guys wouldn’t act like idiots we wouldn’t create this stigma you absolute helmet
@@jimmythecrow You've massively misunderstood the definition of cultural racism, or, you're just using it wrong on purpose to try and appear as if you didn't make a mistake. Cultural Racism still requires an aspect of race vs race. "It's really American of them." holds no such aspect, it was xenophobic.
@@jimmythecrow Continue to be a dimwit then.
I will say that it is pretty sad to see 2 teams forfeit. Especially because my team was knocked out before the finals. I know that we would still try even if the match meant nothing, simply because we genuinely want to improve at the game. But I can only speak for myself. I wish some of these “top NA teams” actually cared about the future of Mordhau.
They should have pulled up the ones the DNF teams knocked out to replace them.
This is genuinely sad honestly. Im na and im just embarrassed. These apes actually think memeing in GF is the same as memeing in early pool matches. You guys had the courtesy of actually trying in semi/grand finals, and it was very fun to watch.
Its pretty obvious these guys have ego issues and are afraid that they would lose if they actually tried.
Fuckin' pathetic guys..
And is exactly why Comp scene will never be big for medieval genre.
Alternative title: 37 minutes of NA "pro" players screaming and mike spamming.
@@jimmythecrow as opposed to running away from matches XD
Bags 4 Days So you disagree that the lads in the video are pussies? Pathetic.
People arguing in bad faith, being dishonest staing contradictory things, being noisy for no reason, strawmanning arguments etc... What a depressing meeting.
i can understand why you wanted to be paid to cast if the matches were this pitiable.
it takes an impressive amount of missing spine to not be able to admit defeat in this way like these players do
Only point I agree with:
There's a case of the pot calling the kettle black where VK goes and memes in tourneys where they're gonna win the match, yet other teams can't do the same troll. The only difference is "well we were gonna win, so therefore it's not trolling". It's still a disrespect, and it's hypocritical to tell one team "don't do this or your banned" but when you're a community influence and a strong team it's magically a-okay for you do the same thing. It's straight up a logical fallacy.
I agree that yes, it gets publicity, and yes it's not a throw. But it still really hurts your case, and you could argue it's what inspires other teams to try the same strats when instead they could be trying their hardest and we'd have more high intensity match to show for it. Maybe if VK never tossed rocks or went Sparticus on tourneys people wouldn't try to do the same. Maybe a stretch, but it's now a contentious point.
Again, I agree with you that there's *degrees* (not many) of nuance here, but the point stands that you need to walk the talk. Good video, great points, and to be completely honest *their* argument is also a fallacy, a red-herring specifically. In fact, pretty much half the rubbish out of their mouths was riddled with poor-bait and straight up infantile rejection of critique. Truly pathetic.
It's an issue that wont present itself again so long as future events have a prize pool as this will naturally encourage teams to play properly whenever they're at risk of losing, but you'd still expect teams to want to win without one like in EU
@@Stouty for sure! i dont disagree with that in the slightest
Benton Pellet VK put on a show because they knew they could win, hence creating hype and loads of views on YT.
NA decided to joke in the grand finals, realised they couldn't win and forfeited.
"It's still disrespect" not really, it legitimately shows skill. Depending on the load out and weapons used in the battle if they're not broken weapons like the maul or short spear and shield then it is alright! Just because someone is better than you doesn't automatically mean they're Toxic or trying to disrespect the players, all they did was make the game harder for themselves so that it's a good fight and not completely one sided, this is known as going easy on a player as you are aware of your and their skill so decided to give them a chance.
Same as in football if the player knew he's better than the other he attempts skills to beat the other player, preforming skills can be difficult but pay off well or not pay off at all. VK had skill NA had none
*I know this is long but just read it*
This is an absolute pathetic joke. On both sides of the spectrum.
The tournament rules should be stiff and firm. Outlining the format of the tournament as well as giving the rules in a quick, easy, and short manner. They should not be A) Making rules up on the fly, and B) Creating and adding more and more rules after each tournament, that are entirely situational. IE "No team losing shall use the carving knife...." etc. That just makes the rule book needlessly long, and pisses players off. Making them unlikely to return to that tournament. Thus killing the competitive scene of the game, which decreases exposure. Which is what this game needs.
Serious players will rise to the top, and eventually populate the teams. Then we will see less and less meme comps coming out when a team is losing.
Then on the other side of this. Players should be allowed to do what they want within reason. Watching high level play is interesting, but cheesing your way into a win is also interesting and is a part of the game. Thus should be allowed. It makes for a far more interesting tournament when I know a team isn't going to get banned for running around with a meme comp. I might get to see it, I might not. Either way, cheesing is apart of this game and it should be allowed. Albeit, if the team is just intentionally throwing, like picking peasants and just emoting while people kill them, then that should be sent to the higher ups of the tourney where a decision can be made. But if a team is just memeing to have fun or to cheese in a a win, then it should be allowed. To ban something like that is an insult to the team dealing with the memers. It not only insults their competency and ability as players, but their over all skill.
Sounded like a lot of reasoning with brick walls
Gotta love the guy bringing up LoL, Mordhau needs good tournament content if they want the game to grow and get any kind of viewership, killing off a tournament by trolling and not showing up is a pretty good way to not get your game to grow.
Bags 4 Days dude you are jus one pessimistic sack of garbage with that mentality ofcourse it won’t grow ffs.
@@jimmythecrow It does
The game will grow thanks to personalities not because of competitive play.
Because the game is already dead in terms of people interested in its actual gameplay.
Its niche and the tournaments should have been being ran when all the content creators and streamers were playing in early BETA and release days. That would have attracted a stable viewership when exposure was still good.
But that momentum has been lost and the game will not recover to its former glories and people need to learn that.
@@Blind_Smithy peoples attention spans are just fucking short that is all
@@ls200076 It has nothing to do with shitty players. COD has absolute asshats and yet that series has thrived for YEARS...
9:37 "I have 10% body fat bro"
Love you Stouty
"He's literally a walking shitpost"
lmfao this is great
Stouty: "How dare you meme in a pointless qualifier."
Also Stouty: "British Hooligans Vandalize $4000 Tournament."
Everyone else: "???????????????"
Context matters, we didn't lose and we didn't try it in the finals
Context shouldn't matter when in a comp scene either everything is serious or nothing is. If you want to tell people to not meme dont promote it yourself. Thats just hypocritical no matter the context consider the events in a vacuums a competition should be just that.
@@Blind_Smithy wrong, being competitive means playing to win, if you can meme and win comfortably go for it
@@Stouty So Its ok if the winners do it but if the team who know they are gonna lose do it they are bad? All because they wanted to have a little fun instead of just lose in a game that had no bearing on their placement in a tournament that offers money.
Like seriously you have to be able to see that memeing if you are winning is worse as it shows you dont respect the other team or the tournament you arent giving it your best.
The losing team should have as much freedom to dick around as the winners, it shouldn't be 1 sided just because you didnt enjoy it or thought it a waste of time. I thought it was fucking hilarious and was worth my time compared to oh you know having teams just forfeit matches and making the tournament shorter. I thought it was a great punishment to force the organisers who couldn't even get a proper tourney scene going too sit and watch. If you can not get dedicated teams for a comp scene dont have one.
Maybe if people set an example of not memeing you wont get these scenarios occurring.
@@Blind_Smithy or u could just play to win
These guys are acting like children, its a professional tournament with a very real prize pool and they waste peoples time and then say that they did nothing wrong and start crying when someone proves them otherwise.
Hey sexy, nice profile pic
Bags 4 Days The organizers’ time?
They were just competing for entrance to the real tournament. There was no prize pool for this tournament. I wouldnt try either, It would give enemies more time and gameplay to find my weaknesses and playstyles.
Triggering all of na
Kango obviously. Go to his channel
wtf fake bruno..
This is more like: 'kinds arguing over video games" title.
TheAnalv kids*
"arguing over video games". $4,000 is on the line. You wouldn't argue? Money is money.
@@gunide there wasn't any money for this event in particular hence the issues that arose
@@Stouty Ahh, that's why they said it they didn't care. Still, tournament makers make the rules. Follow them. End of case.
Calling people kids with a anime profile picture is pretty funny
What im hearing from this is everyone should just stop memeing. Be competive show sportsmanship and just give the loseing team respect. Also who ever runs these tournaments needs to be clear in saying no memeing or auto disqualification no ifs and or buts.
I disagree, I think meme loadouts actually lead to closer/more entertaining matches in otherwise stomp one sided games but there's no place for them when two tier 1 teams go head to head, ideally cash prizes would incentivise players to play serious in the finals but in the absence of this I'd still expect teams to care about winning like in EU
@@Stouty I get you want it to be entertaining. I just think its super disrespectful to not do you best against any tier that is considered competitive. Because the other team is giveing it their all. I grew up believing in sportsmanship and showing respect to competitors. But anyways ultimately I have no say in this and im sure you all will figure it out hopefully for the better but if memeing keeps goin on idk if I can keep watching it.
@@Soontobeno1 memeing is disrespectful to an extent but if you can pull it off like VK does it's a flex and ultimately drives up interest in the game, people can disagree on whether or not bad manners should be against the rules but I think we can all agree that every team should be playing to win
@@Stouty its pretendable that you defend that kind of playstyle stouty, but i think jake james is right. Memeing is fun and interesting for youtube videos but not something that is enjoyable if you like competitive matches. I want to see people playing, what weapons they use, what kind of movement, what tactic, what teamplay. All that is lost in meme games. I would never watch that. It is also rarely seen in very competitive environments like sc2, csgo, lol; they attract a lot of viewers who do not even play the games (like me). It is the competitive mentality what brings them there (including me). So I think if you want to work on an competitive environment and play a competitive game, you should play competitive. Otherwise this game will always be a kindergarden in an competitive aspect and drive those people away that like exactly that. And tbh. why would anyone want to be a competitive player in this game, when its a kindergarden. So I think its not about bad manners, its about getting the right mentality, a player and viewer growth and some intense action. Something you will never acquire with flexing. Just my thoughts.
@@Stouty agreed
I like to play this fighting game, but I'm actually scared of fighting or any confrontation
You must be weak physically speaking maype if you tried lifting weight and such you could even want to fight
@@Yousef-pp6iu nah just practice a martial arts no point in lifiting if you dont know how to fight
Allah ackbar Lifting doesn’t make you a better fighter lmao
the absolute state of NA
Moral of the story that got : dont forfeit before trying, losing is an experience so dont chickened 👌
They have a pretty solid point in arguing you're a hypocrite for thinking it's fine to use meme loadouts to snub your opponent when you're certain they'd lose anyway. It's fundamentally the exact same principle, you're just railing against it when they're doing it. Either don't do it at all or admit you have an egregious double standard. All I could notice throughout was you danced away from acknowledging that yes, you're happy to cheapen the concept of competition when it suits you but when someone else does it in a way you dislike suddenly it's an issue of gigantic proportions and a mockery you can't abide is being made of the spirit of things. The closest you came was justifying it with the excuse of 'oh well publicity.' Okay? What's that mean? Doesn't address the core criticism in any way. Doesn't matter if it gives you the attention you admittedly crave, that has nothing to do with the point. Lame showing on both sides, and I'm ultimately left inclined to agree with whoever told you to hang yourself because it's quite funny and none of you produced anything more worthwhile from this whole debate.
God you're a cretin aren't you? The issue isn't the builds themselves but when you use them. There's a very key difference - we've won every event
@@Stouty Yes, I'm aware you misunderstand the point they were making and by extension mine. Irregardless, I'll say it again - fundamentally, you do not have any issue with what they did. That is an undeniable fact by your own admission whether you are cognisant of it or not, an inescapable truth which doesn't respect time or place at the - and I am stressing this - FUNDAMENTAL level. That's the core issue of why it's hard to take your righteous indignation seriously. You're not morally superior to them, you just possess a supposed better sense of timing in performing an identical insult, both of which undermine the spirit of competition.
Once you move away from that all you can argue is the rather pedantic detail of whether it's more respectful to slowly, tortuously belittle your opponent into a defeat whilst calling it a handicap or just finish things quickly and efficiently and let everyone be on your way. Personally, to me it's obvious which I prefer from having been on both sides of the scenario. I'd say you're delusional if you think your method is kindness, but you again don't have an issue with admitting you don't think it is so that's hardly relevant.
@@eazyv2069 You're insane, the only thing that matters is winning, anyone that competes will understand this
@@Stouty Right. That's the point though that you can't seem to understand, which is surprising since it's remarkably obvious. If it is about winning then you should win well and attempt to perform at your best in all scenarios. This is common sense, no one will dispute this. You are 100% correct in saying what they did was reprehensible or even outright wrong. What makes you look hilariously dumb is you're happy to brush your own instances of NOT doing that under the rug merely because of the laughable excuse that 'oh well my mitigating circumstances are [x] and [y].' Again, doesn't matter. The point is there's no mitigation for the principle. It's still principally doing the exact same thing. You didn't acknowledge that when they pointed it out and you clearly won't do it here either. Don't preach a standard or spirit of things when you'll willingly engage in the same behaviour whilst passing it off for whatever reason suits you - that is definitively hypocrisy. These things are aesthetically contradictory. I digress, if you are incapable of seeing this fairly straight-forward point I don't especially care to go back and forth with you on it.
@@eazyv2069 Doesn't matter how you win so long as you win, literally nothing else matters. Stop typing essays and think deeply on this
timid beta NA virgins
VS
confident alpha EU chads
Nah man
Both Na and EU are full of virgins.
Oh nononono
Stouty: hurrr meme builds are unprofessional
also stouty: lets role play cavemen during a tourney
where did i say that? i said teams should play to win
Meme builds that work aren't unprofessional. If you open up with it but plan to actually try despite the disadvantage afterwards if it's not working, it's a possibly viable strat.
@@gavir4379 it wasn't about the viability of meme builds. The tournament organisers prohibited their use and they used them anyway. The only motive being to be dq'd to save face because they couldn't win.
K W the tournament was a no rules tournament no loadout restrictions at all and every siege weapon or degenerate strategy short of outright cheating was condoned.
no but its okay when they do it
my belly is fat my brain has delay that's right you guessed it i'm from NA
@@jimmyjam5517 oh shit lol
Rick James i smell of shit and im trash at games... YES YOU GUESSED IT MY NAME IS RICK JAMES
They're absolutely right, though. Banning them for this is just setting a stupid precedent you will have to go back on in the future no matter what. Weird strats are still strats, you can't just ban whatever you don't like.
Claiming that memeing when you know you'll win is less toxic than memeing when you know you'll lose is insane. They shouldn't have played peasants in the finals but in no way should it have been banned.
the argument isn't about toxicity it's about competition and wanting to win
Chad EU: Memes in early pools to make unavoidable squashes entertaining, takes it seriously in real matches to demonstrate skill
Virgin NA: Squashes in early pools, puts everyone to sleep, hides any signs of actually competing to avoid hurting tiny ego
Stouty as an outsider I just have 1 point to make, you’re upset at these NA using troll loud outs even the the Eu team that won trolled the entire time right? Wasn’t giru’s team throwing rocks no armor the entire time? Kind of set an example wouldn’t you say?
Not to say that justifies it but, you gotta be upset at both not just the NA scene and you gotta come with ideas on how to fix it.
Personally I was a very disappointed viewer for both tourneys so I’d like to see it get fixed.
That said, NA scene is a bunch of children obviously. There’s no real scene here though. The tourney was held pre maturely
We didn't troll in the finals or semis otherwise we would have lost, we can't get away with it vs tier 1 teams
Being a lvl 100+ and from NA I am not surprised in the slightest by this buffoonery. Its actually very fitting considering NAs community as a whole.
Wow, they're so entitled. Imagine being so full of yourself like you expect cash prizes and pay-outs in a growing competitive scene. These people shouldn't be allowed to compete again.
Howl if they just started being more mature and take this scen more seriously maybe the next tournament has a prize pool. But they blew it.
Just because its a “growing” comp scene doesnt mean that every comp player is willing to play for nothing. Would you work extra hours where you got no compensation. Your right, people are entitled. Entitled to the value of their labor. Do you expect everyone in the comp scene to be a charity case in the hopes of one day making it big? Fuck that people have bills to pay man. If they want people to come and spend their own fucking time to play in their tournament that they make money off of it is completely reasonable to expect to be compensated for that. The difference between uwu and the teams that decided to not play is that uwu is a bunch of trolls. Beyond playing for the time that is actually going to give rewards, ie the matches up till you qualify for the real money league, i see no reason to expect people to stick around.
@@Stalutes64 This is a really terrible take, and for many reasons. For one, you lack the understanding of what creates comp scenes and what has created esports as an entire industry. Passion. There were no investors, no companies, and no prize pools in the early days. People played because they wanted to be the very fucking best, and they already did that in non-tournament ranked settings. Tournaments were a chance to test themselves at a higher degree, and gain renown for their efforts. As views spiked, followings were created, and revenue pumped into the scene; a prize pool began to form to further support and bring life to the competition.
So what steps are missing here? Mordhau is not a big game, Mordhau does not have a huge following, nor does it have established or safe investments for companies within its esports scene. This means the only thing that can drive or bring life to it is passion. The passion to play, gain followings, and create amazing moments for more popularity. Your viewpoint is exceptionally entitled, and you completely miss the entire origin story or growth cycle of an esports industry as well as small-time competitive scene.
But to put it even more simply for you. No one invests in something with no return. Tournament winnings are investments. No views? No big scene? No huge names? No safe investment. They trolled and spit on their own platform to success. They contributed directly to harming the possibility of future prize pools, instead of showcasing their passion, hyping people up, and attracting more views as well as potential for investors to consider Mordhau's scene a safe investment. Money doesn't grow on tree's.
@@Stalutes64 can't get payed for something that is just starting out
"If you can meme and win comfortably" so the cutoff is if the matchup isn't fair and your going to win anyway you can play meme loadouts? But if your going to lose and you know it so you start memeing it's suddenly bad? Fuck some people are so sweaty about a spin 2 win game.
I guess one of Stouty's points is that competing teams should try to win and it doesn't matter if they troll as long as they're sure they're winning. It's all about winning basicly. Trolling without intention of winning ruins the competition.
Another point mentioned by someone in the video is that trolling has negative consequences even when the trolling team is sure of a win. Apart from getting disrespect, the losing team loses motivation and ability to improve when the other team shits on them with suboptimal strats.
My take is that trolling by better teams should be kept at a reasonable level to respect less experienced comp players. Also so we can get an good representation of skill gap and how better teams actually outplay others in a fair fight.
I am ashamed as an NA player, but I relish in the fact that they are subhuman UWU weebs, perhaps just DQ them from competitive play all together. Considering how they acted during this conversation.
No need to remove a team from an already sparse community, this issue won't happen again so long as there's money on the line. Still you'd expect teams to compete and win regardless of the money
Kudos to you for staying that calm. Whenever I had to moderate such a ts or discord chat my reactions would get way more... combatative
Thanks for sharing this video, as well as arguing your point. Tuning into a tournament stream and seeing losing teams trolling, using peasant builds and dropping out is the fastest way to kill any interest in comp Mord. I don't understand how anyone that wants the scene to grow/be profitable thinks this is the way to achieve that.
So basically EU - Willing to cheat in tournaments with no prize money
NA - Willing to defy tourney hosts in order to continue to have fun and then get DQ'd when money is on the line
NA is pretty based tbh
pls dont let Rick represent our entire region(( also no money was on the line for NA
@@Stouty i jest
Smol weeb brain can’t comprehend the situation
NA is destined to be trash at every international game because this mindset is so prevalent. It's sad
Eports scene: We're a serious sport!
Also Esports scene: this
Just noticed your in-game name 5 mins into the vid lmao
They’ve made us NA people look like waste men :(
Born in the wrong region smh 🤦♂️
lmao tell me about it the cringe
British Hooligans Vandalize $4000 Tournament.
Stouty you are a good essay writer honestly.
Having been on the FPM seen since Chivalry Medieval Warfare, the level of toxicity and trolling on American servers has always been extremely high. So to see it leak into comp in these types of games honestly doesn't surprise me. It surprises me that it does surprise you.
you where really composed under this, very much more mature than the others
"meme loadouts" are a viable strat. Comp ruins every game, just makes everyone sweaty and the sweat infection spreads to casual. If youre not allowed to use something in the game, obviously the game is too "broken" for comp.
Newman64 No they are garbage to watch thats the point
I dont get why NA is so awful, surely if youre playing a comp scene it should be treated as such, even if youre afraid of losing, just play and try your best, right?
(also in video, check the chat at 22:35 yay)
Regarding the comp scene and the growth of this game. New players don't buy this game because of high end 5v5 slug fest. They buy it because of the silly meme builds, frying pans, and general choas that makes us all laugh. The main issue with tournaments is there just bland fest, no average joe is going to understand the technical side of the fighting. They need objectives, and other things audiences can actually visualize. This also will help with teams that might not have the best melee game, who can outsmart teams rather then simply out play them.
I wouldn't say that its better to meme when you're the favorite team in a tourney (ahem...british hooligans). I bet most of the teams would like to get ''fair'' fight and not get memed. Ofc its funny to watch but still.
at least vs hooligans some of the lower teams can hope to get a round or two, I don't think lower teams even mind playing against it rather than a pure stomp loadout
every time they think they have a good point you can hear them rushing to speak, it’s genuinely comedic
I can definitely see why what the NA teams did was wrong, but i feel like the solution is clear here, stop trolling in any match for any reason. Why should there be any ambiguity? Is it that important to run rocks and peasants? Just stop doing it and promote a more serious scene overall if thats truly what youre looking for. Its as easy as that, but for some reason both sides want to keep their trolling in competitive matches alive. As a viewer it would be much more interesting to see the actual game all the time instead of when people think it might actually be a close match,or in the case of NA, when they dont need a scapegoat for losing. More rigid tournament rules could fix all of this from happening again. Hopefully we wont see dumb shit like this again.
Next VK meme loadout: ISIS executioners
WHY ARE THEY ALL GIGGLING!?
because they think shitposting manifested in behavior is f u n n y
It's a coping mechanism for being nervous. Laughing it off is easier to do than taking responsibility.
Reading the in-game chat of every Mordhau game I play, this comes as zero surprise to me lmao
Sorry to hear this stout. Hope you can get this game into a competitive state because it should be a big tournament twitch stream oh well.
Going off meta or "good" tactics is a viable stragty, because the enemy teams will not be used to the style of play. They shouldnt have had there load outs banned.
Kinda hypocritical of stouty to say this given his antics on the pro scene
What’s wrong with letting someone compete with a certain load out? Even if it’s a meme load out the same could be applied to someone using something like pole arm too much, “We don’t like what you are using, change it,” seems a bit fucked up to me.
it's clear they weren't trying to win in a finals match which is not fun to watch
Stouty “Yo, quit using Spears, it’s boring to watch,” I think if they bent it would set a dangerous Precedent.
It's really disgusting how the concept of expectation just seems alien them, and they outright refuse to acknowledge how there behavior betrays the organizers, and community.
I can’t defend NA, but god damn is the amount of region hate high. Seems like everyone is looking for justification to high horse our scene.
I’m an NA player on Team North, and there are teams who don’t act this way. We just want to play a competitive game, this is not an accurate representation of the entire scene, but unfortunately it does exist and there’s nothing we can do about it.
I think Team North gained a lot of respect in this event don't worry
whats ur name on team north
austintheastronaut m8 you don’t have to apologize you were the only guys who took it seriously and props for that!👌🏻
Stouty is wrong here. He's never watched Dota 2 Fountain Hooks in the TI. Memes are fine.
you should be able to play with any loadout you want and if the other team takes your loadout choice as an insult thats on them
there is literally no difference between isis execution videos and mordhau meme videos
postpunk wat
I love how they all just dont give a shit and completely ignore stouty as they talk about their own stuff. Meanwhile stouty just sits there quietly murmuring.
"subscribe to the publicly agreed meta and dont make the game harder for yourself or we will DQ you"
There weren't any adults in that voice chat were there?
And here I am wondering why it's hard to find a clan that would take things as seriously as I do. I'd love to compete even though I know I'd get destroyed just so I can further understand how much more I need to practice.
Don't know why people are so butthurt. Let people play the game how they want or don't have those loadouts/classes/whatever in the game. You can't seriously expect to disqualify people for using something that is in your game that you designed without looking ridiculous.
Okay so... this was an absolute trainwreck of a conversation, but I DO UNDERSTAND some of the points they were trying to make. I couldn't understand how playing with a disavantadge is being seen as such a bad move. It was a call from their team, and they were still trying. It all ends up as entertainment in the end.
Sure, it's "trolling" or "memeing", but honestly, if your adversary does this, why would it be such a deal? Just play how you would normally play, it could still end up as a great match. And if it's a serious competition, hey your job just got easier! You have a higher chance of winning now, while at the same time people from the "outside" of the scene can be more entertained. On that note... not sure who that was, but someone said the NA scene was "pandering to the casuals" at one point. Honestly that's just a bad way of thinking about the community in general, in my opinion. Comp player or casual, you are a fan of the game. Casual players can also enjoy the comp scene. That sort of segregation just end up splitting the community of a game more and more. That's how I see it at least.
TL,DR; Some players took a match way too seriously, causing unnecessary drama about it. Of course, I'm not saying you have to approve of what NA did or even like them as players, but just... I don't know. You got to fight peasants! Just take the advantage.
Would cosplaying as King dedede count as a meme loadout? I mean, he has a warhammer and bashes peoples skulls in so it's useable.
I stopped playing Mordhau competitively because of teams / individuals like this that refuse to fight, troll, or just don't care. It's essentially meet peoples unrealistic quotas or just stay at the same skill level forever. Mordhau competitive isn't even genuinely that fun when I remember going hard at it. Just a lot of drama on the NA side of things.
can you please link the cast?? i would really love to see the video of the casts for some context
somehow this sounds exactly like a standard game chat
Can just someone say what in this video about please? Becouse i don't know english so perfectly...
NA trolled in finals and got disqualified, 2 other teams didn't play because no prize((
@@Stouty big brain NA, true mordhau players play not just for prize...
Miya ur so cute omg.
This attitude is the worst. There are so many people playing competitive in smaller games who would be glad if there was ANY prize money at all. And yet, they take it as serious as possible.
As much as I agree with you though, being toxic towards less-skilled teams is really bad lack of sportsmanship. Maybe it's good for publicity, but that doesn't make it any better.
They're intolerable even in a call. One of them screams at his friend on the phone mid call, others just laughing around like its all a big joke
8 mins in and I can't stand those yanks
Shut your fooking mouth
@@tlayed1624
He's right though. They behave like children.
@@magnusnordeidebrede892 Welcome to Mordhau
@@tlayed1624
Welcome yourself, enjoy your slay.
Americans be like:
LOUD = TRUE
i tuned into the tournament hoping to see some actual games, i was disappointed. to the teams who ruined this, you are a disgrace. also sorry to the casters who had to deal with this shit
they are like preschool children
From a regular player's point of view, I see no problem in people rocking meme builds, it is their prerogative. Sure it's disrespectful to the other team, but so what? It adds flavor and character to each of the teams, which translates to you routing for or against them. I'm not sure what the rules were when the tournament started, but if the "no meme builds" rule was added halfway through, then the organizers are incompetent. They should not be making rule changes whilst the tournament is in progress. Instead, revise the rules for the next tournament.
Also, I don't understand the reasoning behind why it's okay to meme if you're winning, but not if you're losing. It is especially disrespectful to meme someone you're beating, except of course, if you are PainandHumiliation, who is by far the most fun player to watch. If an average group decides to meme a super-tryhard group after losing a few rounds, it turns from a massacre to something a little more entertaining to watch. And after watching dudes feint each other to death for half an hour straight, it sure is a welcome sight.
It's an issue that fixes itself when prize pools are presents - why meme when you could instead win money? That being said I think memeing whilst losing or from the very start as an underdog to lose even harder is pretty pathetic; it sucks to watch, it doesn't give you experience and shows the weak mental attitude of the team
If you wish to meme in a event that’s fine. Your more then likely to loose for it and be destroyed. But when a Ref or position of power says stop you stop. Then to complain and for some teams to not even attempt is where I see the fault lies.
NO NNNNNNOOOOO PLEASE NOT MY VIDEO GAMES NOOOOOOOO I'M IN CHARGE NOOOOOoooooo
pathetic
cringe /tv/ poster
@@Stouty raged
As someone who has organized eSport Tournaments I can tell you how much fucking work it is for the organizers. I would have been so mad as an admin. Unbelievable.
the organizers argument either changes constantly based on whatever arguments they have to counter or just calls them trash, even though they won a few matches with memes.
you weren't listening properly. They only won with memes vs another team memeing. They were getting BODIED vs real competition
Its sad that you can tell they're not even thinking, just splurting out the first thing they can think of. Even when somone makes a good point they completely ignore it and try to discredit it using fallacies
Jesus, these guys care so much about their egos they behave like edgy teenagers that get easily irritated and salty, after which they try go give some half assed explanation to prove their """point""".