What Did Egypt’s Arab Spring Achieve? | A Decade of Spring
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2021
- At the end of 2010, Egypt had reached boiling point. What followed was a decade of upheaval - the toppling of Mubarak, democratic elections, a military coup, and the subsequent rollback of human rights - with a brutal crackdown on protesters. A decade later, has anything actually improved?
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The Egyptian people are resilient. They found the power before to overturn a regime, and by their own strength they can do it again. I hope they achieve the freedom and happiness they deserve.
They're to divided. That's the thing with the middle east. Reason why dictators are so common and are allowed to rule. At the end of the day, they create stability.
To bad these ain’t real Egyptians
Where are human rights in the United States A third of the prisoners in the world are Americans..
@@user-ub2iy2fp9v we have big problems in the US but at least we can criticize our leaders without being tossed in jail. And we don’t need a fake marriage certificate to have sex with our girlfriend
@@user-ub2iy2fp9v
Sadly China gives us the most competition.
One dictator got replaced by another , nothing else.
@Prophet Hrudaya chinthakan Modi supporter? 😂
dictator or not el sisi is delivering
Erdogan is DICTATOR
@@user-ub2iy2fp9v Who tf even bought up Erdogan in this conversation
What ever hell hole you live it doesn't have democracy also. Cause democracy doesn't work.
I live in Egypt and was at Tahrir during the protests, nothing has changed here other than less hope. Same with Lebanon.
What do you guys want that your government doesn't ?
Arab Spring revolution of country already in crisi?Begin an revolution in name of human rigth ,but the koran is major influence.
@@larssrensen4353 Everything much more rights to the working class
Culture matters. India has been practicing democracy for long but still fuk up country.
But isnt sisi getting some stuff done, tbh the military is too strong no one ruler or president will ever be able to effectively effectuate a democracy while mitigating a resurgence of political Islam injected into parliament by akhwenn sympathizers...... true or false? New capital, doubling size of the suez, has achieved 3% economic growth in accordance with IMF, I mean he’s also gotta deal with the Nile dam in Ethiopia, trying to upscale public transportation with the new train in Cairo. Can’t say he’s been ineffective and totally brutal. Unfortunately and I truly say UNFORTUNATELY, some societies aren’t capable of embracing democracy so willingly there’s too many cultural nuances
Democracy in Egypt means the democratization of Arab world. Arab spring in Egyptian theatre is eventually failed.
Egyptians are not Arab
@@jpsimas2 that’s why most arab movies are in egyptian arab apparently.
@@jpsimas2 egypt people are african since their country is in Africa . But most people around the world would consider them as Arab.
@@hatinmyselfiscool2879 They probably meant genetically not linguistically.
@@DyadofBast demographically every arab is not “arab”. Maghreb arabs are part berber, egyptians are part coptic, syrians and iraqi’s are part assyrian, part kurdish, part persian, part hittite, part cananite, etc. genetics don’t work that way. They are arabs, the are culturally arabs with their own unique regional differences.
Historically freedom from Egypt means freedom for the region, I wish the best to Egypt.
Historically, Egypt has never been free.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me
Mamluks, New Kingdom of Egypt etc..
@@mirzahamzabaig5667 Ancient Egypt sounds like North korea tbh in terms of deifying the autocrats, and we do not know if the Egyptians were truly happy then considering most of our sources are written the pharoahs themselves.
Egypt will never have be a democracy unless the people change.
@@ALeaud they did, but the land of the free supported the military coup and overthrown democracy, just like they did in Iran.
Do let’s get it straight. People overthrew an oppressive government but new government is now more oppressive. Well you’ve been played my friends.
Also a migrant crisis that is comparable only to WWII
Because the United States set the other regimen up as well
They didn't overthrew the real rulling system its the military dictatorship who run the country .
welp sisi is delivering…..
@@michaellundy5238 yeah yeah were responsible for everything bad blah blah blah bad USA
Ive been to Egypt twice 2019 and 2021. No one wants to talk about the Arab Spring and no one wants to mutter a word about Cisi but no one likes him at all. Everyone is really careful to not say anything against the government for they know what could happen. The revolutionaries here are brave and valiant. The world needs more so that change could be brought about. Good change. Egyptians are the most chilled people you will ever meet and they are kind and very hospitable.
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Spoilers nothing changed actually it's worse now that's actually impressive
@Young Pappy Egypt was always secular
An dictadutara substition other dictadure but the ingonorance own people not see that,all corruption behaind in any side the system earn money than war.
@Young Pappy they aren’t,what are you talking about
@Young Pappy not exactly. Muslims protected them during protests they coexist but the government doesn’t like them
Man thats a lie , it is much better now
I was in sudan when this all happened. It was such a big deal people all over North Africa were talking about it. Crazy stuff
Wasn't the Arab spring also in Sudan? And isn't Sudan transitioning to a democratic government?
@@antrant7533 no, though the leader did get disposed
@@antrant7533 Sudan having a "democratic" government.... yeah, good luck with that. The Sudanese are insanely Islamic. You'll never see a liberal democracy in Sudan.
The only country that has improved since the Arab spring was Tunisia
gotta start somewhere...plus ppl learn from their mistakes..next time things boil again, u bet the leaders will look upon the failures now and prepare better
I was feeling somewhat disappointed by the situation in my country Tunisia but then I came through this documentary.
We already know what ever you want to say . What we really want to know is how vice was able to obtain a license to record in public
She's in beirut
They weren't and aren't able to. This is why it was filmed in Beirut.
Ya the footage is just what vice got from 3rd parties who were there live filiming
Basially jist whatever was uploaded to the internet
Very sad how some countries you cant film
So sad that nothing has changed, it's clear these people want something better for themselves now and the future. I wish Egypt the best
Widespread open corruption is the reason the world is messed up. Greed leads to all this bs
Powerful insight into those events. Thank you, VICE.
Money can buy you anything in Egypt. Corruption at its worst.
sa7
I support all beings around the planet. Love one another regardless,
Love you too fellow human
@@shavingryansprivates4332 blessings to you
1. Control media
2. Turn people against each other
3. Blame others for your problems
Congratulations you won!
Americans are great at that
Same is happening in india.
@@sohamdas7314 ya especially in the Indian state of West Bengal.
@@vanshshetty3066all over india. Not only in west bengal. Government hume chutia bana raha he
To have a revolution the basic and necessary point is :
there can be different paths but only one destination/destination.
NOT, one path but different destinations.
What I understood from middle eastern arab spring or any civil wars that in most there were so so many fractions of people who all participated but all had different will/wish to achieve after over throwing the govt. So, over throwing the existing problem didn't end the revolution but created one more and then oneore and then one more problem.
@@dabadaba530 I don't think so , I have so many friends who are highly educated, even doing jobs in foreign, don't follow religion, rituals, yet supports a party that spreads these. Their psychology is just that "let people fight & die and crony capitalism grow..we upper CLASS(NOT CASTE) will grow more in that way"
this was very helpful, thank you!
There are so many dismissive comments, as if history has ended, this is the final outcome, and Al Sisi will rule till the end of times. A decade has passed, not really a huge span in terms of history. It is a testament to the courage and persistence of all the very very strong-willed, selfless and brave people that even such a repressive, brutal regime, with all its muscle and guns, has not been able to erase the spirit of dissent. And it is this never-yeilding spirit, this courage that inspires other ordinary people who gather together to protest other injustices in other countries. The "success" of mass movements, of revolutions, can not be measured in terms of immediate outcomes. The French Revolution descended into the Reign of Terror within a decade, and then gave way to Napoleonic dictatorship & empire, yet the ideals of equality, liberty, fraternity, and the Declaration of the Rights of the Man still inspire and guide movemwnts for democracy. So tell me, was the Frech Revolution successful? Or can it be dismissed as "some people died, nothing changed"?
@@pontchatrain Hmmm ... But u see, I do not think of a world order with "most powerful country" (and by country it is essentially the govts, or kings, or dictators) as something desirable or great. I guess we have very different approaches to history and very different concepts of nation-states.
@@pontchatrain Oh, and I find "upending established hietarchies" to be a big deal.
I agree. If we look beyond the scope of north america we will find many strong resilient peoples of the world facing so much oppression and yet they fight back still. If anything we should draw strength from them.
@@pontchatrain Yes, "upending established hierarchies" is a big deal - that is how peoples of different regions have gained workers' rights, and civil rights', and womens' rights, and lgbtq rights' - by upending established hierarchies ... Also, being from a postcolonial country myself, I really am not much into the whole "once proud nations" of Europe thing, presuming you are referring to either the pre-Enlightenment era, or the colonial period - I'm not sure which, coz u have not specified anything except a vague critique of democracy as a bad form of government. My example of the French Revolution was exactly that, an example. You can replace it with any other Revolution or mass movement - from those of the "White" world e.g. The American Revolution, French Revolution, Irish Freedom Movement to other civil rights movements like suffragate, and women's lib movements in the 3rd world (to use a cold war term), the Civil Rights Movement under MLK, much later political struggles like Fight against Apartheid, the freedom struggles of erstwhile colonised nations to the recent protests in Hong Kong, the BLM movement, and the anti-coup movement going on in Myanmar this very moment. I was not even speaking about democracy in Europe post Enlightenment, or democracy as a form of govt in general either - I was talking about mass movements protesting against oppression. You seem to have fixated on the French Revolution. However, my original point was about the protests in Egypt during the Arab Spring and after, and even now under Al Sisi regime. And it came from a personal place I guess, because my country too is going through a far-right surge, like so many other countries in the world, with political figures becoming more authoritarian and the establishment becoming more intolerant of dissent, and when very ordinary people with ordinary will-power like me go and participate in demonstrations with the risk of being beaten up or injured, the examples of all these others who got together to resist oppression, gives courage and inspiration. And that is the legacy of the Arab Spring and other protest movements.
@@ohdarah Yes, this is exactly what I was trying to say. That acts of courage and resilience in one part of the world inspires others facing other forms of injustice and oppression to protest and resist.
This series seems to be very selective so far in who they are interviewing. It appears to be a very educated, middle-class liberal elite as opposed to interviewing other factions which played and are playing arguably a more important role in the development of the Arab Spring revolutions, such as the Islamic, Falaheen, Syndicalist, etc factions. You have to remember Egypt is deeply religious with some 80 percent supporting implementing Sharia Law, 1/5 are illiterate and about 1/3 live below the poverty line. The revolution brought to the fore not only political divisions in Egypt but also cultural divisions (between urban elites and the countryside -Reef), between Islamic and secular such that secular factions were willing to have military intervention over accepting the democratic election of an Islamist and class divisions as well.
By "religious", lets not forget the Coptic christians. We've been ostracized and oppressed for ages, and it all came to light during the Maspero Massacre.
@@nadderragi4781 I think they don't see Coptic Christians as human being need rights they just see their rights when Muslim brotherhood ruled Egypt it was nightmare for Christians
Just comes to show how revolution actually divides people more and creates more friction specially in multicultural countries.
@@otashigo actually, I’d argue it units us. Never have I ever seen unity in Egypt as I saw on the 25th. Everyone was in the streets rooting for the same cause, rich, poor, Christian, Muslim, everyone. But I do understand your point
Having fled Egypt after the 2011 revolution because I was a Copt(Christian), I can tell you it's 100 times worse in every aspect, economy, violence, government, xenophobia towards Christians and foreigners, crackdown on freedom and general happiness of the Egyptian people, the state my country is in is so so sad, this is sadly attributed to the fact that corruption is part and parcel of life there, so its like a cancer, destroying the country from the inside out
No it’s not
ايه الكدب دا
You're right, one EGP is only 0.03 usd
Shame that the series has gotten so few views. Seems to be one of the best pieces of media on the corollary of the Arab Spring.
or one of the only ones, at least on youtube anyway. trying to keep the controversial stuff locked down with their algorithm for sure
@@christopherdicola ya I've been trying to find a video that explains well and also not just western or some other country's propaganda
Main supporters of the Egyptian military dictatorship are: USA, israil, UAE and Saudi Arabia. The destruction this regime is bringing to Egypt is unimaginable. Each time I spoke with my fiance about the situation we had to be afraid something could happen to her family. The amount of people tortured to death in the prisons is just unimaginable. And if you think only Egyptians get treated this way, you haven't heard of the murder of Giulio Regeni. If you haven't, i encourage you to look it up, since this is what thousands of people in Egypt have to fear on a daily basis while 20% of the country is starving. Egypt is a beautiful place with beautiful people, anyone who has left the touristic areas and gotten to know the locals will know so. What is being done to this country is heartbreaking. Sisi needs to go
USA, Israil, UAE and Saudi Arabia shame on them for everything and the genocide of palestenians
UAE buying weapons from Israel being tested on palestinians
What's the song used at the intro 1:05 ?
Just waiting for the Sissi shills to start disliking the video
Erdogan the badest DICTATOR in the world
I hope vice does the rest of the Arab spring areas
More ads than a TV show has commercials 😂 How greedy can people get smh
Imagine living in 2021 and not having an adblock addon in your browser, or not using RUclips Vanced on your phone.
@@SpaseGoast imagine it being 2021 and not understanding the things people like have a cost to them, and using ad blockers only hurts those we claim to enjoy.
You’re nothing more than a broke boi thief using Adblock 😂
Stop being poor and pay for youtube red. Duh
@@fd2blk78 I don’t use youtube that much to justify it
The Egyptian government shouldn't underestimate the people's wrath ...
The Egyptians are still a great either wrecking or building force ..
The problem is they are divided at the moment ..
But the moment they stand together, well we all know the results..
if people's living standard has not been improved, what is the point of everything? So, pathetic.....
Excellent reporting
I am egyptian and I was born in early 2011 February 11 11 days before hosni mobrak re-signed in the Arab Spring but in Egypt there wasn't much violence as Syria or Libya it was like calm but everything outside Cairo or Alexandria I think was Very very violent
So things got worse after Mubarak....
I've noticed ,that through out history,after revolutions things usually get worse than what they were.
Sometimes things get better but that's a minority of the time and it depends on the culture of the people revolting.
The American revolution seems like it was the only smooth revolution.
This is like the 1848 revolutions in Europe. Little progress was made, but democracy ultimately spread
inte khara habibty
10:06
I'm getting Shakira super bowl flashbacks
I can see many Egyptians complaining in comment section. I don't know what you expect than this when you pander to NATO and the West about a revolution. There was no motive than bring down a govt, so it's normal to have confusion afterwards when there's no long term aim than removing a govt. In fact, I doubt if there's any country that did Arab Spring having a better country now.
I hope things will be better someday
My inner pessimist says damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
My optimistic pessism would respond that if it's one way or another, then might as well do
Vice: ok find some edgy street art to match our brand
egypt has become a big prison to everyone of us , only waiting for opportunity to come out of this hell .i am a citizen not activist
Democracy, Religion, Dictatorship. God bless Egyptian!
Wrote my research paper in college about the effects and outcomes of the Arab Spring very complex intersection of tradition and more
i would love to read that
@@aymanhabib5808 That’s the document
docs.google.com/document/d/1dvLT9cP1TZ7k-yOypmXc4LyVLXPAjQiVaCLLDVRfDYg/edit
@@devonnareynolds As an Egyptian, I agree with most of what you wrote in this document, but I think a lot of the blame was falsely placed on the Arab spring instead of western intervention in Middle eastern politics. Islamisation was a direct result of foreign intervention, it's a form of resistance and regression, which is proven by the state of the middle east before and after the USA got involved in removing leaders and planting puppets that serve its agenda.
8:30 some of the photages are not correctly dated.. there was no police in the streets after the evening of 28th of jan. Also the photage of the woman dragged by a soldier was monthes after the early 18days.
Egyptian strong ✊🏽 I hope the Chinese people are taking notes
Egyptians now would die to go to china stfu.
Egyptians did it because they live in misery, why would chinese do it when they literally have become biggest superpower and are rich
@@texasdude1 They actually wouldn't. China is way worse, their workaholic culture and high surveillance makes having privacy impossible. Here, you can have privacy if you weren't vocal enough about your political orientation.
Wait why are you mentioning the Chinese? That’s so random.
Chinese doesn't need that! They already live in the better
why some of the footage are from 2013?
I think that sometimes revolution is detrimental. In many cases, letting the country evolve and grow slowly into a democracy over decades is the best solution, especially when there is severe and blatant corruption
there aren’t many democratic governments that didn’t become so through revolution or war.
Say what you want about sisi but egypt is making great progress
That depends on wether you're a normal middle class citizen (then you're screwed) , or a high class sheltered citizen who probably has relatives in the army (then you're doing great)
we all know its all Americas fault
yes ur right America is the cause of the problem
Nothing at all, simply replaced one dictator with another, and then another dictator after that. My heart breaks for my Egyptian brothers and sisters. Praying that they'll get their final victory
So Mohamed Morsi Whose been a president of Egypt for only 1 year before the military coup d'etat that took place in 3rd of July 2013 and even still had a supporters in Rab'aa Al-Adawia who got massacred later on August 14th of 2013 by the current Egyptian Government or 'military' regime ruled by El-sisi, plus Morsi whose been chosen by most of the Egyptian people in a more democratic way is still a dictator ? wow what a strange paradox.
@@abdolrahmanhamed2821 who has voted Sisi? And mursi was replaced in 2013
Maybe just maybe, democracy is just a western concept not fit for every group of individuals considering geography, history, national identity and "standard" literacy. Moreover, the idea of democracy can be used not as the goal but as a political weapon and a propaganda machine.
Interesting point of view. Could it be that democracy is simply incompatible with certain cultures? But doesn't it seem hopeless for the youth to submit to the corruption and repressive culture? Freedom, feels to me, that it more or less has a similar definition across the world. Certainly it is far away from political imprisonment and police brutality
I mean surely that's how the westerners thought till they actually managed to topple the monarchies ruling them?
After the arab spring documentarys it would be nice to have some videos about the fall of the comunist block in europe
Hasn't that been talked to death
Power changes anyone, doesn't matter who you put in power
Egyptians protested against Morsi. Then and now they get Fatah al-Sisi. Which is far worse than Morsi.
They are both pretty awful dictators. But, Morsi was a radical Islamist who was anti-semitic and wanted to turn Egypt into an Islamic state which would've made ISIS and terror organizations flourish, so he is pretty worse on the long run. Al-Sisi prevented that, but the cost was freedom of speech and human rights.
The people that supported Morsi and protested against Sisi, were far more than the people who were Pro Sisi
No hes not. Morsi was a Iranian puppet who would have attacked Israel and would have inevitably lose the Sinai Peninsula and the Suez Canal to Israel
Dictatorship to democracy and back to dictatorship but now with more people dead and a ruined economy.
Way to go, Egypt 👏
At the end of 2010, Egypt had reached boiling point. What followed was a decade of upheaval - the toppling of Mubarak, democratic elections, a military coup, and the subsequent rollback of human rights - with a brutal crackdown on protesters. A decade later, has anything actually improved?
And the military coup government is backed by the US same with the narco-state coup government in Honduras.
Can you report on the situacion at Belarus?
Visited Egypt as a teen when Mubarak was the president. The country was a very popular tourist destination then, and we had a great time. I hear it isn't as popular now.
it is
much better now in fact
@@alihassan-hl4kg True
It's just like the French revolution it didn't make a permanent change but it was the first kick that encountered the people to rise again and again until real change happens
Is France much different though from other European nations that preserved their monarchies? We don't know if the changes would not have happened anyway without the French Revolution as Europe and the world saw many disruptor events in the duration that could have influenced its trajectory...
Under Mubarak tourism was flourishing in Egypt.
Egyptian went from freedom to all to islamist country islamist country!
Then they started oppressing other created a power vacuum and allowed the military to get the power again. They handed Egyptian democracy on a golden plate.
Many think crooked cops are bad. Imagine selling your soul for petty judicial protection and later see them blend into civilian cloth and live amongst you? To make a complex mindset simple. Segregation may not seem wrong. Increase or decrease in crime could only tell by the situation. It's sad you can only want to die for living less restricted or atleast be captured with your hands in front of you.
Egypt need to be educated..Egypt is great for education..but most of the system is still corrupt..i mean really corrupt..sex harassment very2 bad..there's a lot sex harassment in Egypt..Egypt need to change..unfortunately under Sisi..there's nothing gonna change for Egyptian..the rich will get more rich..the poor will be leave behind..same with 3 world country..Only Azhar Uni is diamond in the sand that make people appreciated Egypt..
As an Indian on an international exchange to Egypt I had met so many humble and supportive Egyptian. There is so much to explore in this wonderful country. The Nile cruise, Mt. Sinnia, Dhabh and the Great city of Alexanderia and many more.
It could have been your mom or sister daughter , aunt . MMA community fails to denounce the bad behavior . Those who can should speak . They speak of not being a extremist but sextremist have existed and make lives miserable for women and children .
Comments will be fun.
Cant wait to see the Islamophobia
@@delunimbus you mean the truth
@@moderatemexicanamericanpat4904 Ah yes, of course. I'm sure you're not one of those person that believe Wahhabism and Islam is the same thing
Johan Libert
the problem, with violent overthrows of regimes by the people, is that the people don’t actually overthrow anyone, the people in power decide when and if a leader can be removed from power, mostly just to put a leader they like better in power, the people have no say in the matter
Its not a coup. Thats a car with only 2 seats.
It's a lesson learnt to kick out dictators mostly in Africa ie Tunisia Egypt Libya Algeria etc by Steve Irungu Jermaine
How history would forgive ppl of Egypt for being foolish enough to disrespect democracy when it was presented to them.
Not one got anything from the Arab spring. Countries went from bad to worst.
Long Answer: Possibly
Short Answer: not really
Mubarak removed but replace by another dictator 🤦🤦🤦
I lived in Egypt 3 years and i did got any of that i lived in a guarded community and I as a German felt never scarred and the other kids i gone to school with neither. But they were mostly kids of mil and bilonairs and stuff like killing of protesters happens of course if you have a president who were head of their secret service.
dafuq you talking about?
Guess the grass is not always greener on the otherside. Looks like they ended up where they started out!! Feel sorry for the ordinary people
People actually regret removing Mubarak even tho he was a bad president
Yes because al Sisi is way worse
@@kenzawilliams yes he is , now in order to get married you need some type of insurance in case of divorce
Alaa Abdel Fattah is not the most famous political prisoner in Egypt. There are tens of thousands of other political prisoners in Egypt, and among them, there are at least tens of more famous prisoners than Alaa Abdel Fattah.
Suprised you didn’t mention the egyptian state media
Kind of like the french revolution. From Louis to Napoleon
Or Louis to Louis lmao
تقرير جميل
كمصري اقدر اؤكد انه لم يتغير شيء، بل ربما الوضع اسوء في بعض المجالات
These countries are a game of football between military and islamist groups. There's no third option.
The answer to the question in the title is: nothing
Anyone else see the NFT graffitied on the wall in the first 30 seconds
All modern revolutions will face this problem. Be weary of the military that sits back and allows you to oust a politician. It's likely someone in there wants that seat..
I don't know how fast you think people can read but it's not as fast as those subtitles fly by smh
Then learn
Instability. That’s what...
It hurts so much to watch this.
Essential workers my family does not have papers but we all have work working hard every day making America great always Aztec eagle 🦅
For the minimum amount
Without waiting for the stimulus check if Amigo's.
‘It is our duty to fight for our freedom.
It is our duty to win.
We must love each other and support each other.
We have nothing to lose but our chains.’
Nada, they took the power back from Mubarak and give it right back to sisi,....ignorance ....
Bruh this is so old, i live there and everything is fine, all the issues mentioned are resolved please check the facts
EPIC FAIL:
Egypt want liberty and less violence
Gets more violence and block contents
No. Nothing has changed. Poverty still rules Egypt. Leaders there are two sides of the same coin.
Unfortunately Egypt do have a human rights problem, and it needs to be fixed. The government is extremely cautious and afraid of any possible upbringing against the regime, and why tho? It took the government years to achieve stability, and the economic reforms that the government started in the 2015 that shown to be very effective btw. The way I see it is that at the position we’re in right now, we can’t ask for everything, the people want better standards of living, stronger economy, better housing and a lot of things. Human rights will come later, but very soon. Long live Egypt
"Human rights will come later" said every dictatorship....no, you start by delivering on humans rights, then everything falls into place, not the other way around
The major problem I see about arabs is they are too much threatened and afraid, they did not read Gandhi
Have they thought about a democratic political system?
I'm Polish, and I was in Egypt while this was happening
Lose the music....it distracts from what people are saying
I have so much respect for the Egyptians for their strength, resilience, and core ideology. So many ruling parties in countries like Uganda, Philipines, and India following the exact crackdown. Hope we gain the same inspiration and find light at the end of the tunnel
Mone ni adhyam naatile communist Gundaisminde edhire onnu Viplavam nadathi Noku , apo real crackdown endaenn ninnakokke manasilavum
yo this lady said coop not coup lol 13:00