i used to do it the exact same way. then i found that a Vise-Grip C-clamp takes care of the twisting / holding part. use two hands to spin it with the spring and key way in place, push the helix down to the buttons, then clamp it. this stops it from springing back and keeps both hands free to put the circlip in place. still use the knee to hold it together the whole time. works great. if the back of the clutch has a windage plate, then you must clamp more to the outer part of the rim, so as to not damage the plate.
I just took the secondary clutch apart on my 99 Indy 500 and cleaned, inspected, and lubed it. It was a little tougher than your video shows, but I have small hands. I made a makeshift jig that I clamped in the vise. Everything seems to work well now. Thank you for the great video!
Thanks for this vid, and you're cleaning clutch vid! You've saved my sledding season and for that my kids, and I, are forever greatful! Love ALL your content! Keep it up
one thing we used to do is marker on the helix face with new buttons, no spring but snap ring on and run it up and down at the tips of the helix like you were doing. if the buttons are rubbing 1/4 inch or whatever distance down from the tip then you machine where the snap ring goes. if they are going right to the very tip of the helix you can add a snap ring or two.
Good video I worked a a lot of those clutches back in the day. Even tho I know what your doing I still like watching. Everything you said I was like. Yup lol
When I cleaned everything it seemed like there was once a thing coating of grease or some kind of lubricant that dried up over time, when I clean the assembly would it be wise to put a light coating of grease on the bushings the helix rides on and the shaft etc ? Well, I did and it seemed to let everything move easier and smoother so I just sent with it but kept it very light to prevent buildup. Like the videos and you have helped me sort out a few things on some older sleds. Thanks man.
Love your videos! Someday I will make it to Alberta or BC to try out mountain riding. I’m from central Ontario and we don’t have snow conditions like you guys do. Anyways I look forward to your next video Scott
Your videos are awesome! They have helped me a lot. I have an old Yamaha venture GT that I’ve owned for the last 10 years. Great machine. I’ve never done anything to the clutches. When the machine warms up I get a ton of rattling which I thought may be coming from the engine but after watching your video I think I’m going to tackle the primary clutch. I also have no high end performance any more. (Changed plugs, fuel lines and cleaned the carbs ) Question is do you have a video showing how to rebuild the clutch? Also I heard you mentioned rec supply - I’m in Saskatoon and those guys are great!
Dont know much about the Yamy's but almost ALL clutchs work the same , have the same style of components that wear out ! Most of the difference is in the pullers ! Those guys at Rec Supply should be able to help you out ?
That was a good video. Not a lot out there on older stuff. I have a 86 Indy 400. Any videos on that era of snowmobile. Looking to adjust the belt deflection after I change out the belt. Thanks again.
Hey thanks for the vid. You speak my language. Life long dirtbiker here and enough of a mechanic to have a lot of half done projects around.... I have a pair of Yamaha 1990 ovations. One of them is haveing issues keeping speed. I am fairly certain it is the belt or clutch. Engine has good compression has always sounded great. My question is this. How do I tell if I simply have a worn belt or in need of a clutch rebuild? I have the belt and another belt and both of them don't look overly worn but produce the same effect. How to know when it's one or the other on this age of a sled?
Measure the length and the width of old belt , compare with new belt ! Also if the clutch springs have never been changed , its prob a good idea to clean clutchs and install new springs !
Can you explain helix wholes for the button clutches i know its deals with ingagement of the helix and tuning rpm shift along with back shift but I’d like your 2 cents to clear up mine lol
Exactly that ! A tighter spring holds CVT in a lower gear , revs higher , more power low , better back shifting , looser spring is opposite, poor back shifting , boggy , lower rpm !
@@DIGIT9 That’s what I was hoping you would say haha I pulled a chowder head move and pulled the secondary apart and lost track of the helix whole position on my 600 triple so now it’s in the 4th whole looking at me from a shelf thanks Digit
only reason to change from stock hole is if the spring is worn out. in some cases when the spring is so old it has gotten weaker, placing it one hole tighter can bring things back to closer to what it used to be. if the secondary is so weak it opens too much under a big load (wont backshift), it will need a new spring or a stronger spring. just changing the hole won't be enough.
Some have a dial on outside shiv that pushes pins in or out to adjust deflection, but on older ones you need to take apart , add or remove shims to adjust !
Hello sir,I have a question and its about my yamaha 1997 vmax xtc 600 it was really boggy then after i did a full throttle on it the motor stopped and after that it ran on 1 cylinder when it got hot. Then my grandpa poured some cleaning lub into the fuel tank and after that it ran on 2 cylinders. What was the problem,do I need to change fuel filters or was it some dirt in the system that got cleaned away?
@@DIGIT9 oh ok, but the problem was that it ran good then it slowly started to bog and eventually it started running on 1 cylinder from nowhere but might just have been some shit in the carbs because when the cleaning lube was in the machine it ran better
@@DIGIT9 ok. I have a Polaris 440 Pro X. It’s a a race car. The peak RPM for these motors are 7800 I believe and I’ve been told. I’m running 51.5 clutch weights with a black and green clutch spring. I’m only getting 7400-7500. Don’t think I need to change my spring or change the hole that the spring goes in on the secondary?
Thanks Rick! Im fixing up an old 98 xc and just going through clutches right now these are all new to me
i used to do it the exact same way. then i found that a Vise-Grip C-clamp takes care of the twisting / holding part. use two hands to spin it with the spring and key way in place, push the helix down to the buttons, then clamp it. this stops it from springing back and keeps both hands free to put the circlip in place. still use the knee to hold it together the whole time. works great.
if the back of the clutch has a windage plate, then you must clamp more to the outer part of the rim, so as to not damage the plate.
I just took the secondary clutch apart on my 99 Indy 500 and cleaned, inspected, and lubed it. It was a little tougher than your video shows, but I have small hands. I made a makeshift jig that I clamped in the vise. Everything seems to work well now. Thank you for the great video!
I've got an old 1986 Polaris Indy 400 that im trying to resurrect. This is very helpful. Thanks.
Good stuff here. I'm working on my own '94 Indy 440 that's as crusty as you can imagine. Just the tutorial I was looking for!
This was a very helpful video I’ve struggled with many of these clutch but know I’ve got a good understanding of how they work
This was very helpful, I have never dug into one of these older secondaries. Much appreciated !
Thanks for this vid, and you're cleaning clutch vid! You've saved my sledding season and for that my kids, and I, are forever greatful!
Love ALL your content! Keep it up
one thing we used to do is marker on the helix face with new buttons, no spring but snap ring on and run it up and down at the tips of the helix like you were doing. if the buttons are rubbing 1/4 inch or whatever distance down from the tip then you machine where the snap ring goes. if they are going right to the very tip of the helix you can add a snap ring or two.
Awesome! I’ll definitely be trying the ground approach for reassembly next time!
Good video I worked a a lot of those clutches back in the day. Even tho I know what your doing I still like watching. Everything you said I was like. Yup lol
When I cleaned everything it seemed like there was once a thing coating of grease or some kind of lubricant that dried up over time, when I clean the assembly would it be wise to put a light coating of grease on the bushings the helix rides on and the shaft etc ? Well, I did and it seemed to let everything move easier and smoother so I just sent with it but kept it very light to prevent buildup. Like the videos and you have helped me sort out a few things on some older sleds. Thanks man.
Great video !! Received my 4 place D9 clamp holder. Can’t wait to install it in the trailer. Thanks bud 🤙🏼 Think Snow❄️❄️
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Awesome to see another video. Keep it up. Much love from rural Nakusp
Thanks for watching D! Appreciate it bud.
Your very welcome
Love your videos! Someday I will make it to Alberta or BC to try out mountain riding. I’m from central Ontario and we don’t have snow conditions like you guys do.
Anyways I look forward to your next video
Scott
I'm really enjoying your videos!!! I'm self teaching myself on a few old 1990 prowlers and your videos are very helpful and entertaining!!
Great vid, all kinds of good information. Always enjoy your uploads.
Appreciate it bud! Thanks for watching.
Your videos are awesome! They have helped me a lot. I have an old Yamaha venture GT that I’ve owned for the last 10 years. Great machine. I’ve never done anything to the clutches. When the machine warms up I get a ton of rattling which I thought may be coming from the engine but after watching your video I think I’m going to tackle the primary clutch. I also have no high end performance any more. (Changed plugs, fuel lines and cleaned the carbs ) Question is do you have a video showing how to rebuild the clutch? Also I heard you mentioned rec supply - I’m in Saskatoon and those guys are great!
Dont know much about the Yamy's but almost ALL clutchs work the same , have the same style of components that wear out ! Most of the difference is in the pullers ! Those guys at Rec Supply should be able to help you out ?
That was a good video. Not a lot out there on older stuff. I have a 86 Indy 400. Any videos on that era of snowmobile. Looking to adjust the belt deflection after I change out the belt. Thanks again.
We have one or two of those vids on our channel
The vid that I did on my triple would work for you !
Perfect thank. I have seen that one will have an other look at it. Thanks for the reply
Your a pretty cool dude I get a kick out of you 👍
I wonder if you could help me remember when you said it won’t pop up because it is stuck. Mine is stuck. I do not know what to do to get it off.
Great vid, I put them together the same way, what's the chances you have an HSP 38x you wanna part with, p-85?
I might have one , I’ll look in my stash , see what I got !
Why would you install the spring in the other holes? How does that change the clutch characteristics
I second this
Changes the tension. Tighter or looser depending on which hole you go.
@@Mogachaffe yah, I got that much. As grgsrvc asked, what clutching characteristics are altered when adding more or less preload.
Tighter the spring , keeps it in a lower gear , looser the spring is opposite ! Tighter holes are generally used for a wore or different spec spring !
The motor I have is in a race car. That’s why I was asking.
I've got a button clutch off an old polaris 488 that won't come apart any help is appreciated Thanks!
Your video are mint bud!!!!
Hey thanks for the vid. You speak my language. Life long dirtbiker here and enough of a mechanic to have a lot of half done projects around.... I have a pair of Yamaha 1990 ovations. One of them is haveing issues keeping speed. I am fairly certain it is the belt or clutch. Engine has good compression has always sounded great. My question is this. How do I tell if I simply have a worn belt or in need of a clutch rebuild? I have the belt and another belt and both of them don't look overly worn but produce the same effect. How to know when it's one or the other on this age of a sled?
Measure the length and the width of old belt , compare with new belt ! Also if the clutch springs have never been changed , its prob a good idea to clean clutchs and install new springs !
@@DIGIT9thanks for staying on top of a post you did years ago. That really helps
I’ve got a 1998 I believe arctic cat cougar that the track just stopped spinning would you know the cause
Great vid.
Buy a Venom Industries , Team Tied , it’s awesome
Can you explain helix wholes for the button clutches i know its deals with ingagement of the helix and tuning rpm shift along with back shift but I’d like your 2 cents to clear up mine lol
Exactly that ! A tighter spring holds CVT in a lower gear , revs higher , more power low , better back shifting , looser spring is opposite, poor back shifting , boggy , lower rpm !
@@DIGIT9 That’s what I was hoping you would say haha I pulled a chowder head move and pulled the secondary apart and lost track of the helix whole position on my 600 triple so now it’s in the 4th whole looking at me from a shelf thanks Digit
Could you please explain what changes occur if/when you use the other holes ?
A tighter spring would keep it in a lower gear , engine would rev but not go as fast , used mainly for a wore spring or deeper lug track !
@@DIGIT9 thanks!
If I remember correctly each hole stiffer on polaris adds about 150rpm to the shift rpm.
Ya something like that !
only reason to change from stock hole is if the spring is worn out. in some cases when the spring is so old it has gotten weaker, placing it one hole tighter can bring things back to closer to what it used to be. if the secondary is so weak it opens too much under a big load (wont backshift), it will need a new spring or a stronger spring. just changing the hole won't be enough.
Do you know what the default is on older Yamaha's (i.e. Phazer/Enticer)
Default of what ?
What kind of chips are those 😮
What are the set screws and nuts on the front of the clutch for
To adjust belt deflection !
My 88 citation belt is very low, how do i adjust higher to be level top of clutch?
A new belt would help , if that dont work , then try taking a shim our of secondary !
What will happen if you put the spring in a nother hole would it give it more peep or make it bog
Its a short turm
Sorry , its a short term fix but if you put it in another hole that makes the spring tighter , it will have a little more zip , but wont go as fast !
What do you use to clean the inside where belt rides?
Brakeclean with Scotchpad(red) , laquer thinner for final wipe !
I used to do an extra hole on my Polaris TX because makes it get out of the hole faster
how do you adjust belt deflection on button clutches
Some have a dial on outside shiv that pushes pins in or out to adjust deflection, but on older ones you need to take apart , add or remove shims to adjust !
Question on the bushings in these clutches I have a 96 storm I replaced the bigger bushing but the smaller bushing can that one be replaced
On the face plate ?
Primary or Secondary ?
@@DIGIT9 yes I think so I put the bigger bushing in but when my clutch is apart there is a lot of wiggle on the main shaft on that bushing
Secondary
Ya it can be changed
Hello sir,I have a question and its about my yamaha 1997 vmax xtc 600 it was really boggy then after i did a full throttle on it the motor stopped and after that it ran on 1 cylinder when it got hot. Then my grandpa poured some cleaning lub into the fuel tank and after that it ran on 2 cylinders. What was the problem,do I need to change fuel filters or was it some dirt in the system that got cleaned away?
Might have been froze up , try a little gasline antifreeze ? But new filters wouldnt hurt ! Should be done every couple yrs anyway !
@@DIGIT9 oh ok, but the problem was that it ran good then it slowly started to bog and eventually it started running on 1 cylinder from nowhere but might just have been some shit in the carbs because when the cleaning lube was in the machine it ran better
Thats possible too
Change fuel filters , one in tank especially !
Its usually a pickup screen , might be plugging ?
If you can’t get it at Rec supply, your basically screwed. Lucky I’m only an hour away
if i need to get a little more rpm out of my motor ill changing the spring hole in the helix help
Yup , about 100 rpm per hole
@@DIGIT9 is there a way I can pm you. I have a couple questions. The motor I have ( Polaris 440 pro x) is in a race car.
You can ask on here ! I'll answer best I can !
@@DIGIT9 ok. I have a Polaris 440 Pro X. It’s a a race car. The peak RPM for these motors are 7800 I believe and I’ve been told. I’m running 51.5 clutch weights with a black and green clutch spring. I’m only getting 7400-7500. Don’t think I need to change my spring or change the hole that the spring goes in on the secondary?
Whats it geared at ? There is way less resistance in a race car compared to a snowmobile ? Secondary needs to see some load !
So if I heard you right, default is hole number two?🤣
That is correct , they all came from factory in hole 2 , or should have ?
thats the pulley lol
light beer, ahahahahaha
I always found it safer with the clutch compressing tool just incase the driven spring is on stiff side.