I didn’t even know about that location until I started playing again this month… hundreds of hours in the game, and still finding areas I never knew existed
Ranni has a track record of needing garuntees before acting, she was most likely looking for alternatives to facing radahn because not long before she saw that even Malenia and a host of her cleanrot knights couldn't defeat him in direct combat
The lake of rot one might be related to astel. Maybe he was on his way to guard it but got stuck crossing the lake of rot. Or he is guarding it, but his guard post was set up before the lake happened, which is why it has sunken since then.
There's a massive glintstone formation in the lake of rot. I'm assuming that glintstone arrived as an asteroid long ago and that maybe it also brought the onyx Lord with it when it fell. There is also the astel downstream of the lake of rot, maybe he gravity magic'd his way up or fell to the lands between in the same star that astel arrived in
My personal pitch for the Alabaster Lord we can find in the Lake of Rot: It’s also a Warden for the “Original Astel”, only this Warden’s ventured further from Astel’s prison as one must venture past the Lake of Rot in order to access Astel-original Astel, not its dark counterpart.
@@Mistercodmobilefan8378 There’s no in-game item that outright confirms this. However, since we know that General Radahn and these Lords did indeed cooperate to repel and contain such abominations from the stars, it’s a valid conclusion to make.
These meteorite lords have a strong connection to the divine towers. The summits are encircled by eight meteorites, and the mound in the middle although covered in dust/ash could very well have the type of large meteorite we see in the Sealed Tunnel where we fight the Onyx Lord. It has the same stonework around the edge. The molten rock that partially engulfed the towers might also have some veins of golden meteorite but it's hard to say for sure.
That's a good theory. Maybe he couldn't get closer due to the kindred of rot. You do still have to solve a puzzle in order for him to even spawn so... Not the best line of defense ever.
Ranni's quest ties almost everything together, lore wise. By the time we've put Ranni's ring on her finger, we've ventured through and explored a chunk of nearly every faction, culture, and outer god. But Ranni's ending is the Age of Stars, so there is a focus on that which came from the stars all along the path. The Alabaster Lord was likely there before the Lake of Rot ever was.
Hi !Great video I'd like to sharesome extra comments 1. In the Lands Between you can find 2 masters of gravitational sorceries, the Starcallers and the Sages. The interesting thing is that while the Starcallers seem to collaborate with the Golden Order, the Sages were deemed as Heretical. My explanation to this is that a quite early version of the Golden Order claimed gravitational glinstone as one of their key millitary asssets, allowing the practice in extreme circumstances... like Rykert's Rise.... and only through the Starcallers... given it's massive destructive power... as a consequences, the sages were forsaken. 2. I always believed that the Alabaster lord at the Lake of Rot was put there to highlight that the grounds of the lake of Rot, aka the Uld palace culture that once lived there, was anihilated by a Alabaster Lord. You can appreciate something similar in the scene with the Alabaster Lord in Limgrave. 3. Great work finding Radan's teacher!
The fact that Radahn ended up being a greater beast than his alabaster lord master to the point he can hold back the stars, ride his horse, and fight to a draw against the likes of Malenia is insane. And even with scarlet rot infecting him, he still manages to be so powerful.
I like to think that one Lord is protecting Astel. So his bro, the other Lord, is just following him bc "hey bro, that place is dangerous", so they came to the Lands searching for him, but didn't find yet. They asked some directions to a guy he find around, Radahn, and he seems a cool guy, really interested in learning and caring for animals, and the Lord is such a nice guy, he couldn't deny some knowledge. That's my head canon. 😂
Yelough is an middle-English form of yellow. Pronounce it how you like because no one says it in-game, but my guess is it should just be said as yellow given the color of the flames of frenzy.
Man i just found your channel and im hyped, while vaati and smough cover alot of the larger topics i love the smaller formatted more niche stuff too which your videos focus on alot. Thanks brother, you deserve alot more views imo
just fought the one in royal evergaaol for first time. I also wonder if its the one responsible for teaching Radahn how to halt the stars and the Carians locked him up for messing with their Fate?
Thats wild that i never knew there was a alabaster lord in a evergaol and the fact that radahn was told to hold back the stars must be the reason why he wasn't fighting at full power too. And the alabaster lord at the lake of rot idk i think it wants to fuse gravity and scarlet rot together or something idk but congratulations to 50k!!!! I like this channel of elden ring lore so much!! So glad to be a part of this channel!! Edit: what about the katana the meteoric ore blade?? That one has the gravity skill where you pull enemies in?? Did the alabaster lord infuse that with gravity magic too??
Remember near where the Alabaster Lord in the Lake of Rot is, there is also the entrance to the Grand Cloister from where you can reach Astel in a Coffin
Has anyone else ever noticed how the Rune of Destined Death, Marikas Stake, and the symbol for the Elden Ring all seem to coincide with one another? Then at the botton of the ring is the Elden Beast. Perhaps this has been discussed already.
In case I was not clear I was referring to the actual image of the symbol itself. Design wise it appears as if the beast is at the bottom, with Marika just above, then in-between is all the different roots and circles of runes and the erdtree, with destined death appearing at the top.
@@Rune-l0rd Ah i misunderstood, you're right. and radagon's (elden beast) rune silhouettes on the bottom behind it all. that said i would argue the elden ring image (consolidated rune) seems to be depicted upside down. Marika's children should be sprouts not roots spawned by her (note the crucible stumps imagery scattered in leyndell).
Not sure if its been said already - but there is a Starcaller worshipper overlooking the Lake of Rot in the Ainsel River on your way to the to the Dragonkin of Nokstella fight. I've always wondered why he was there... since I didn't know there was an Alabaster Lord in the Lake of Rot! Along with the comments about Astel and the fallstar beast hanging from the ceiling a bit further down the path - I think it all goes together.
The Lake of Rot is on the way to the Naturalborn of the Void fight, so maybe the Alabaster Lord was on his way there? But scarlet rot is no joke. Maybe even creatures with stone skin are stimied by it
There is one on the shore close to the dragon communion, too. And the one in the lake of rot could be to prevent you from helping Ranni. just a thought.
I think the lord in the lake of rot area may have been there due to the massive pile of glintstone that hangs from the ceiling, or the fact that Astel is accessible just beyond the cloister (albeit quite far away on the map) it seems like he was trapped there more then willingly went there (maybe)?
Great video as always. I wonder what other races could come from the stars. Maybe the Lords aren’t so powerful when compared to them… Also maybe the Alabaster Lord
It states that the Onyx/Alabaster lords are revived where meteors fall, and the lake of rot is accessed after the meteor hits limgrave. It's either that, or because hes on his way to Astel, or blocking the path to it.
It’s possible the Alabaster Lord was in the Lake of rot at the behest of Radahn, similarly to the Lord guarding use of Rykard’s Great rune. Assuming “Star Scourge” had some sway with the Alabaster Lords, there’s a possibility he was there to keep an eye on affairs concerning Malenia. Maybe looking for some kind of resistance/ weakness to the rot as well?
The one thing that really gets me scratching my chin is the Draconian starting preset which is said to have "stone like skin", seems to suggest a connection to Farum Azula and the dragons. Also the ruin sword that was a piece of farum azula with gravity infused in it from the impact of the meteor that wrecked it, possibly the same one Radann stopped using his magic. Then there's the presence of human imagery in Farum Azula that points to humanoids other than the beast men having lived there. Makes me think the Alabaster and Onyx lords either lived in Farum Azula for a while before the arrival of Astel or that instead of being from space they were draconian humans who mastered star magic in an attempt to stop the incoming impact but failed. Either way it opens up a lot of interesting possibilities.
Two theories: The lords came from a world destroyed by the fallen star beasts. Not in a malicious way but a more animalistic way like Lavos. The lords arrived first in an attempt to shore up the defenses. The lord in the lake of rot is looking for a way to us the god of rot as a weapon to fight the star beasts
@@Mistercodmobilefan8378 Yeah. It would seem that Astel and these Fallen Starbeasts are of the same species, but in varying stages of growth. This is evident by us finding “Mini Boss” versions of Astel, black and gray in coloration, hanging upside down in underground areas. The theory many in the community agrees with is that Astel is what the other starbeasts eventually grow into, much like the growth cycles of various insects.
I must've watched over 100 hours of fromsoft lore videos despite never playing a single Soulsborne game. Every time I think I've seen it all there's a new video that shows something or someone that makes me think "wait now what the fuck is THAT?"
The lake of rot one could be a similar situation with Rykard. He could e looking for a way to seal Melania's power in the place most associated with it to help Radahn
I do suspect that their elvish appearance is a bit of a nod to Tolkien's first people (the elves). I say this because the Numen are almost certainly a reference to Tolkien's Numenorians.
I had a theory on the Alabaster Lord in the Lake of Rot: He might have been a companion of the Blind Swordsman that sealed the first Goddess of Rot and chose to remain as a guard to prevent anyone foolish enough to attempt to break the seal
Regarding the lord at the lake of rot, there's a star-caller on a ledge overlooking this lake and the scorpion stinger dagger in the grand cloister looks like it could have come from the tail of an astel-like creature.
I thought the star callers were binding those celestial beings in place, as for the lake of rot; perhaps the alabaster lord was there by the grand cloister before the rot took hold over the lake. And it just stayed there, not really giving af about the ghost busters jelly bubbling up around it.
That's an Onyx Lord in the evergaol, so not the Alabaster Lord that taught Radahn. It's really easy to get confused on this point because Fextralife has it wrong on their Alabaster Lord page. The easiest way to know is to remember which type holds the curved greatsword (onyx) and which has the straight sword (alabaster), since the skin coloration is hard to discern.
While it uses the onyx lord weapon and moveset the name of the enemy is Alabaster Lord over its health bar. I'm going out on a limb and saying the team wanted this to be an alabaster lord for story reasons, but the onyx lord was the only variation that could use meteor and it was important from a difficulty standpoint that he could use it. It was likely easier from an assets standpoint to simply use the completed enemy and give it the name they wanted rather than change the Alabaster Lords abilities.
@@square-table-gaming I started a new game and went straight there to confirm he is actually called Onyx Lord during the fight. I will now tell you the tale of how I did this because I soft-locked the game along the way.😅 After getting to Academy Gate Town site of grace, I could no longer rest there or at any of them. I couldn't summon Torrent anymore either, so I ran to Caria Manor. No enemies showed up and Iji was also missing. I got stuck in Loretta's boss arena and tried to exit, but it got stuck on the load screen to the main menu. The character info said I was still in Academy Gate Town before clicking exit. After force quitting and relauching, the game put me just outside Loretta's fog wall and the enemies had reappeared. I was able to beat her and move on to the evergaol without incident!
just a theory but we already know someone who'd challenged the goddess of rot once before, the blind swordsman, and if we look at the blue dancer charm we can see that it increases attack based on weight. i think gravity magic would definitely be useful in reducing your own weight... possibly
It’s pretty interesting that malenia passed godrick and his great rune. She may have been heading to kill Radahn for miquella to fulfill his mission. The idea she wanted to be Elden lord doesn’t seem to fit.
She definitely didn't want to be Elden Lord. She was a flawed empyrean who chose to be Miquellas blade. She most likely had no ambitions of her own, only to serve her brother.
The alabaster lord in the lake of rot is there because because it's the level right before Astel just like the example you gave for the onyx lord in the tunnel
Since the Alabaster Lord in the lake of rot is right before Astel I always assumed they journeyed there together / Radahn was partly holding back to stars to hold whatever interplanetary cohort Astel and the Lords belong to from reaching the lands between, that being said I have zero proof except vybes
I don't know about ranni knowing about radahn. She's very forthcoming with the tarnished, telling us straight up about her involvement with the night of black knives for example, which definitely isn't common knowledge given rogier's quest. I feel like she would have done more to put him down if she did actually put things together, it's tough to say because yeah blaidd does turn up regardless. I just don't see a reason she would keep them in the dark about it if she needs it done, she genuinely loves and trusts them as far as I can see.
I think the one in the lake of Rot came from the Grand Cloister, before it was sealed underground. I find it interesting the oldest stone in the game is onyx While the second oldest is white
The greater will came to the lands in the guise of a golden star. Perhaps the God of Rot is much the same? This one is protecting the seal like the Warden protecting Astel, Stars of Darkness?
It is extremely important to keep track of which alabaster or onyx lord appears in each case. The alabaster lords all use gravity that pulls inward, whilst the onyx lords push outward and summon meteors. I believe Radahn cut a deal with the alabaster lords in order to fight the onyx lords. The onyx lords may be somehow involved in summoning the falling star beasts. In any case, there was definitely some kind of civil war that split these spacemen in two. The nox are likely involved somehow too given their ties to selia and the carian royal family. Hell, with skin of stone who’s to say they’re not related to the numen?
I love all the theories of why these lords were in their respective places. I didn't even know there was one in the lake of rot so going to find it soon... but my best guess is that perhaps its trying to stop people reaching astel, but was stuck trying to find the best spot to repel people. I recently went through the consecrated snowfield again and found a bunch of school of graven mages by ALBINAURIC RISE and didn't understand their placement. there was also a red wolf closeby so just wondering whats the connection and why these are found there. the wolf could be something with radagons sword being in the cave close by but I am unsure of why it's there. is it protecting or is it the reason why the misbegotten is hiding in the cave?
The lake of rot is a gateway to Astel right? Might be originally assigned there to guard Astel until the Centepede-rot worshippers took over the area...
Because of their proportions and appearance, I don't think they came from the stars at all. I think they were created when meteors hit the oddly proportioned denizens of the lands between. That they were nobles forcefully infused with meteoric minds and materials.
Do all the lords use the meteorite of astel miracle? Or just the one in the evergaol? Cant help but wonder if the destruction if the eternal city / summoning of astel might be related to, if thats the case
I thought it was the opposite order. I thought the onyx lord was kidnapped and in that jail he met an eager/curious young radahn. Also I think the alabaster lord is guarding Astel natural born of the void. Bc the only way to him is down… idk why he’s ABOVE and not on the path but that’s my thought lol
While it uses the onyx lord weapon the name of the enemy is Alabaster Lord over its health bar. I'm going out on a limb and saying the team wanted this to be an alabaster lord for story reasons, but the onyx lord was the only variation that could use meteor and it was important from a difficulty standpoint that he could use it. It was likely easier from an assets standpoint to simply use the completed enemy and give it the name they wanted rather than change the Alabaster Lords abilities.
@@square-table-gaming that’s very valid! I assumed the opposite: that they intended for an onyx lord and the coder just put alabaster not knowing which variant it was because they wouldn’t have seen it haha
I loved Dragons Dogma 2. But its world isn’t NEARLY as expansive as Elden Ring. I mean this guy is STILL making extensive lore videos. FromSoftware jam packed sooo much content into one game it’s insane. Dragons Dogma’s weakest point was its short story line, lack luster side quests, and reskinned enemies. The gameplay and combat was the main fun point. Not to mention how easy it got after a certain level.
As you stated, their station seems only in title, not in actual status. Looking at them, I don't think they wanted prestige or power as it would make sense soon as they fell they would have launched a campaign against the inhabitants of the land. If they followed after Astel, their intent had to be to stop it and prevent any other stars from falling and dominating the world/or land. It's hard to know which as everything is focused on this one continent instead of knowing the scale for the world itself.
Don't forget the Alabaster Lord near the Seaside Ruins Site of Grace
That was the first one I encountered. Yoinked that Gravitas Ash of War from him 😏
I didn’t even know about that location until I started playing again this month… hundreds of hours in the game, and still finding areas I never knew existed
I forgot about him as soon as I chopped his head off with bloodhounds fang
Thats the one i fought first i was waiting for him to be mentioned in video
He's just getting a tan. he's even by a small camp. that's his camp. He just wants some sun.
Ranni has a track record of needing garuntees before acting, she was most likely looking for alternatives to facing radahn because not long before she saw that even Malenia and a host of her cleanrot knights couldn't defeat him in direct combat
The lake of rot one might be related to astel. Maybe he was on his way to guard it but got stuck crossing the lake of rot. Or he is guarding it, but his guard post was set up before the lake happened, which is why it has sunken since then.
Man, if gravity gets you going wait until the lords of the strong/weak nuclear force comes rolling through.
Honestly, magic users who can manipulate specific physical processes is pretty cool
There's a massive glintstone formation in the lake of rot.
I'm assuming that glintstone arrived as an asteroid long ago and that maybe it also brought the onyx Lord with it when it fell.
There is also the astel downstream of the lake of rot, maybe he gravity magic'd his way up or fell to the lands between in the same star that astel arrived in
That's wild I didn't notice that
Wait where is it?
Plus you also need to go past the lake of rot to get to Astel.
My personal pitch for the Alabaster Lord we can find in the Lake of Rot:
It’s also a Warden for the “Original Astel”, only this Warden’s ventured further from Astel’s prison as one must venture past the Lake of Rot in order to access Astel-original Astel, not its dark counterpart.
Dang I never thought of that is that why that alabaster lord is at the lake of scarlet rot?
@@Mistercodmobilefan8378 There’s no in-game item that outright confirms this. However, since we know that General Radahn and these Lords did indeed cooperate to repel and contain such abominations from the stars, it’s a valid conclusion to make.
@pn5705 that's true I would imagine myself fighting radahn at full power with the stars itself
Yeah, something to do with Astel would be my guess too
It really would make sense as the Yelough tunnel ALSO so one of the two guarding, or at least seems to be, the other astep
These meteorite lords have a strong connection to the divine towers. The summits are encircled by eight meteorites, and the mound in the middle although covered in dust/ash could very well have the type of large meteorite we see in the Sealed Tunnel where we fight the Onyx Lord. It has the same stonework around the edge. The molten rock that partially engulfed the towers might also have some veins of golden meteorite but it's hard to say for sure.
Maybe the Alabastor Lord in the lake of rot was there because of the Astel not too far away?
That's a good theory. Maybe he couldn't get closer due to the kindred of rot. You do still have to solve a puzzle in order for him to even spawn so... Not the best line of defense ever.
This is my theory, as well. It’s no different to what its fellow Alabaster Lord is doing to the “other Astel.”
probably, there’s one in the ice cave where the second astel is in consecrated snow field
Ranni's quest ties almost everything together, lore wise. By the time we've put Ranni's ring on her finger, we've ventured through and explored a chunk of nearly every faction, culture, and outer god.
But Ranni's ending is the Age of Stars, so there is a focus on that which came from the stars all along the path.
The Alabaster Lord was likely there before the Lake of Rot ever was.
Hi !Great video I'd like to sharesome extra comments
1. In the Lands Between you can find 2 masters of gravitational sorceries, the Starcallers and the Sages. The interesting thing is that while the Starcallers seem to collaborate with the Golden Order, the Sages were deemed as Heretical. My explanation to this is that a quite early version of the Golden Order claimed gravitational glinstone as one of their key millitary asssets, allowing the practice in extreme circumstances... like Rykert's Rise.... and only through the Starcallers... given it's massive destructive power... as a consequences, the sages were forsaken.
2. I always believed that the Alabaster lord at the Lake of Rot was put there to highlight that the grounds of the lake of Rot, aka the Uld palace culture that once lived there, was anihilated by a Alabaster Lord. You can appreciate something similar in the scene with the Alabaster Lord in Limgrave.
3. Great work finding Radan's teacher!
The fact that Radahn ended up being a greater beast than his alabaster lord master to the point he can hold back the stars, ride his horse, and fight to a draw against the likes of Malenia is insane. And even with scarlet rot infecting him, he still manages to be so powerful.
There is alabastor lord pretty close to tne starting are, and where he is, off the cliff south of lake agheel, gives access to the starting cave.
I like to think that one Lord is protecting Astel. So his bro, the other Lord, is just following him bc "hey bro, that place is dangerous", so they came to the Lands searching for him, but didn't find yet. They asked some directions to a guy he find around, Radahn, and he seems a cool guy, really interested in learning and caring for animals, and the Lord is such a nice guy, he couldn't deny some knowledge. That's my head canon. 😂
it's criminal that From Soft doesn't have a rogues' gallery that unlocks entries as you play. Congress should look into it
Yelough is an middle-English form of yellow. Pronounce it how you like because no one says it in-game, but my guess is it should just be said as yellow given the color of the flames of frenzy.
Man i just found your channel and im hyped, while vaati and smough cover alot of the larger topics i love the smaller formatted more niche stuff too which your videos focus on alot.
Thanks brother, you deserve alot more views imo
The one in the lake of rot guards against astel and anyone who would try to set it free. But when the cloister collapsed, he was trapped
just fought the one in royal evergaaol for first time.
I also wonder if its the one responsible for teaching Radahn how to halt the stars and the Carians locked him up for messing with their Fate?
Thats wild that i never knew there was a alabaster lord in a evergaol and the fact that radahn was told to hold back the stars must be the reason why he wasn't fighting at full power too. And the alabaster lord at the lake of rot idk i think it wants to fuse gravity and scarlet rot together or something idk but congratulations to 50k!!!! I like this channel of elden ring lore so much!! So glad to be a part of this channel!!
Edit: what about the katana the meteoric ore blade?? That one has the gravity skill where you pull enemies in?? Did the alabaster lord infuse that with gravity magic too??
What about the lord behind starting area that drops gravitas
Remember near where the Alabaster Lord in the Lake of Rot is, there is also the entrance to the Grand Cloister from where you can reach Astel in a Coffin
What about the lesser alabaster lord in Limgrave, on the beach outside the hero’s grave?
he seems to have destroyed a whole Beast Sanctum Temple.
Has anyone else ever noticed how the Rune of Destined Death, Marikas Stake, and the symbol for the Elden Ring all seem to coincide with one another? Then at the botton of the ring is the Elden Beast.
Perhaps this has been discussed already.
Wasnt it known that the death rune was originally part of the full rune?
In case I was not clear I was referring to the actual image of the symbol itself. Design wise it appears as if the beast is at the bottom, with Marika just above, then in-between is all the different roots and circles of runes and the erdtree, with destined death appearing at the top.
@@Rune-l0rd Ah i misunderstood, you're right. and radagon's (elden beast) rune silhouettes on the bottom behind it all.
that said i would argue the elden ring image (consolidated rune) seems to be depicted upside down. Marika's children should be sprouts not roots spawned by her (note the crucible stumps imagery scattered in leyndell).
Gravity? Who gives a crap about gravity? - Scout TF2
King Piccolo in the thumbnail
With the meanest mug on his face , man looking like he finna drop the hard verse .
Not sure if its been said already - but there is a Starcaller worshipper overlooking the Lake of Rot in the Ainsel River on your way to the to the Dragonkin of Nokstella fight. I've always wondered why he was there... since I didn't know there was an Alabaster Lord in the Lake of Rot! Along with the comments about Astel and the fallstar beast hanging from the ceiling a bit further down the path - I think it all goes together.
The Lake of Rot is on the way to the Naturalborn of the Void fight, so maybe the Alabaster Lord was on his way there? But scarlet rot is no joke. Maybe even creatures with stone skin are stimied by it
Imagine if melenia knew how to use gravity magic and carian magic
Y'all about to have a field day when the DLC drops
There is one on the shore close to the dragon communion, too. And the one in the lake of rot could be to prevent you from helping Ranni. just a thought.
My personal theory is that the Alabaster and Onyx Lords are beings that inhabit the Pimeval Current itself.
I think the lord in the lake of rot area may have been there due to the massive pile of glintstone that hangs from the ceiling, or the fact that Astel is accessible just beyond the cloister (albeit quite far away on the map) it seems like he was trapped there more then willingly went there (maybe)?
I always liked the lore of these enemies, i also really enjoyed using the onyx lords repulsion ash of war to launch enemies off of the haligtree 😂😂
Great video as always. I wonder what other races could come from the stars. Maybe the Lords aren’t so powerful when compared to them… Also maybe the Alabaster Lord
It states that the Onyx/Alabaster lords are revived where meteors fall, and the lake of rot is accessed after the meteor hits limgrave. It's either that, or because hes on his way to Astel, or blocking the path to it.
It’s possible the Alabaster Lord was in the Lake of rot at the behest of Radahn, similarly to the Lord guarding use of Rykard’s Great rune. Assuming “Star Scourge” had some sway with the Alabaster Lords, there’s a possibility he was there to keep an eye on affairs concerning Malenia. Maybe looking for some kind of resistance/ weakness to the rot as well?
Saw a 'lore accurate' Radahn fight where after he takes down the stars you fight Astel in the Dunes
The one thing that really gets me scratching my chin is the Draconian starting preset which is said to have "stone like skin", seems to suggest a connection to Farum Azula and the dragons. Also the ruin sword that was a piece of farum azula with gravity infused in it from the impact of the meteor that wrecked it, possibly the same one Radann stopped using his magic. Then there's the presence of human imagery in Farum Azula that points to humanoids other than the beast men having lived there. Makes me think the Alabaster and Onyx lords either lived in Farum Azula for a while before the arrival of Astel or that instead of being from space they were draconian humans who mastered star magic in an attempt to stop the incoming impact but failed. Either way it opens up a lot of interesting possibilities.
Two theories: The lords came from a world destroyed by the fallen star beasts. Not in a malicious way but a more animalistic way like Lavos. The lords arrived first in an attempt to shore up the defenses.
The lord in the lake of rot is looking for a way to us the god of rot as a weapon to fight the star beasts
The fallinstar beasts??
Edit: fallingstar
@@Mistercodmobilefan8378 Yeah.
It would seem that Astel and these Fallen Starbeasts are of the same species, but in varying stages of growth. This is evident by us finding “Mini Boss” versions of Astel, black and gray in coloration, hanging upside down in underground areas.
The theory many in the community agrees with is that Astel is what the other starbeasts eventually grow into, much like the growth cycles of various insects.
@@pn5705 I wonder if they use gravity magic too much that they turn into bug like creatures themselves
I must've watched over 100 hours of fromsoft lore videos despite never playing a single Soulsborne game. Every time I think I've seen it all there's a new video that shows something or someone that makes me think "wait now what the fuck is THAT?"
The lake of rot one could be a similar situation with Rykard. He could e looking for a way to seal Melania's power in the place most associated with it to help Radahn
I do suspect that their elvish appearance is a bit of a nod to Tolkien's first people (the elves). I say this because the Numen are almost certainly a reference to Tolkien's Numenorians.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numen
It's not from Tolkien but i like your thinking :)
I had a theory on the Alabaster Lord in the Lake of Rot: He might have been a companion of the Blind Swordsman that sealed the first Goddess of Rot and chose to remain as a guard to prevent anyone foolish enough to attempt to break the seal
Regarding the lord at the lake of rot, there's a star-caller on a ledge overlooking this lake and the scorpion stinger dagger in the grand cloister looks like it could have come from the tail of an astel-like creature.
We are just one coffin ride away from Astel and maybe that’s what the onyx lord is trying to keep us from.
The one in the Lake of Rot is guarding the area not too far from where you fight Astel.
The lake of rot is the main way to get to Astel. However it does not explain why the alabaster lord is blocked by a puzzle 40 feet in the air
I believe that the alabaster lord in the lake of rot is guarding Astel the Naturalborn of the Void.
Could the one in the lake of rot be acting like a warden over Astel to make sure no other gravity beings are able to approach it or agitate it
Those may not necessarily be portals, it may be that when in rest they actually use their gravitational powers to warp space and create a pocket.
I thought the star callers were binding those celestial beings in place, as for the lake of rot; perhaps the alabaster lord was there by the grand cloister before the rot took hold over the lake. And it just stayed there, not really giving af about the ghost busters jelly bubbling up around it.
The lord in the lake of rot is probably there because the academy is above it crystals can be seen and the map overlaps
That's an Onyx Lord in the evergaol, so not the Alabaster Lord that taught Radahn. It's really easy to get confused on this point because Fextralife has it wrong on their Alabaster Lord page. The easiest way to know is to remember which type holds the curved greatsword (onyx) and which has the straight sword (alabaster), since the skin coloration is hard to discern.
While it uses the onyx lord weapon and moveset the name of the enemy is Alabaster Lord over its health bar. I'm going out on a limb and saying the team wanted this to be an alabaster lord for story reasons, but the onyx lord was the only variation that could use meteor and it was important from a difficulty standpoint that he could use it. It was likely easier from an assets standpoint to simply use the completed enemy and give it the name they wanted rather than change the Alabaster Lords abilities.
@@square-table-gaming I started a new game and went straight there to confirm he is actually called Onyx Lord during the fight. I will now tell you the tale of how I did this because I soft-locked the game along the way.😅
After getting to Academy Gate Town site of grace, I could no longer rest there or at any of them. I couldn't summon Torrent anymore either, so I ran to Caria Manor. No enemies showed up and Iji was also missing. I got stuck in Loretta's boss arena and tried to exit, but it got stuck on the load screen to the main menu. The character info said I was still in Academy Gate Town before clicking exit. After force quitting and relauching, the game put me just outside Loretta's fog wall and the enemies had reappeared. I was able to beat her and move on to the evergaol without incident!
Looks like you are correct! He was named Alabastor Lord in an older patch of the game and has since been changed to Onyx
just a theory but we already know someone who'd challenged the goddess of rot once before, the blind swordsman, and if we look at the blue dancer charm we can see that it increases attack based on weight. i think gravity magic would definitely be useful in reducing your own weight... possibly
It’s pretty interesting that malenia passed godrick and his great rune. She may have been heading to kill Radahn for miquella to fulfill his mission. The idea she wanted to be Elden lord doesn’t seem to fit.
She definitely didn't want to be Elden Lord. She was a flawed empyrean who chose to be Miquellas blade. She most likely had no ambitions of her own, only to serve her brother.
The alabaster lord in the lake of rot is there because because it's the level right before Astel just like the example you gave for the onyx lord in the tunnel
Since the Alabaster Lord in the lake of rot is right before Astel I always assumed they journeyed there together / Radahn was partly holding back to stars to hold whatever interplanetary cohort Astel and the Lords belong to from reaching the lands between, that being said I have zero proof except vybes
Each of the two is a magnetic polarity direction.
I think the alabaster lord in the lake of rot is tracking down astel
Oh my good sir, you missed one detail about the one at the Lake of Rot, what stands past the temple but Astel himself
I don't know about ranni knowing about radahn. She's very forthcoming with the tarnished, telling us straight up about her involvement with the night of black knives for example, which definitely isn't common knowledge given rogier's quest. I feel like she would have done more to put him down if she did actually put things together, it's tough to say because yeah blaidd does turn up regardless. I just don't see a reason she would keep them in the dark about it if she needs it done, she genuinely loves and trusts them as far as I can see.
I think the one in the lake of Rot came from the Grand Cloister, before it was sealed underground.
I find it interesting the oldest stone in the game is onyx
While the second oldest is white
I think they are very similar to the Zamor knights, only without armor.
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The greater will came to the lands in the guise of a golden star. Perhaps the God of Rot is much the same? This one is protecting the seal like the Warden protecting Astel, Stars of Darkness?
Isn’t Astel behind the lake of rot? Could be that he was placed there as a warden or observer
It is extremely important to keep track of which alabaster or onyx lord appears in each case. The alabaster lords all use gravity that pulls inward, whilst the onyx lords push outward and summon meteors.
I believe Radahn cut a deal with the alabaster lords in order to fight the onyx lords. The onyx lords may be somehow involved in summoning the falling star beasts. In any case, there was definitely some kind of civil war that split these spacemen in two. The nox are likely involved somehow too given their ties to selia and the carian royal family. Hell, with skin of stone who’s to say they’re not related to the numen?
I love all the theories of why these lords were in their respective places. I didn't even know there was one in the lake of rot so going to find it soon... but my best guess is that perhaps its trying to stop people reaching astel, but was stuck trying to find the best spot to repel people.
I recently went through the consecrated snowfield again and found a bunch of school of graven mages by ALBINAURIC RISE and didn't understand their placement. there was also a red wolf closeby so just wondering whats the connection and why these are found there. the wolf could be something with radagons sword being in the cave close by but I am unsure of why it's there. is it protecting or is it the reason why the misbegotten is hiding in the cave?
The sword description said rose to power when the meteorite crashed, to me, that means they were alrwxy in the lands between
It does not say they rose to power, rather rose to life
1st one was at the bottom of the lake area
Depends if you explored there early on
What if the Alabaster lords are the hooded guys with swords depicted in the statues all over the place? Or their students?
The lake of rot is a gateway to Astel right? Might be originally assigned there to guard Astel until the Centepede-rot worshippers took over the area...
What if he’s waiting for another Astel or similar creature to land in the lake of rot?
The Lord that taught Radhan was entombed in Carin Manor. According to the in-game lore.
Interesting! Where do we get a callout about that?
@square-table-gaming I have been going through old character. I pretty sure it was a 'read' message.
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@square-table-gaming the best right off hand. The found and won arcane spells for the tomb area, along with the notes.
Because of their proportions and appearance, I don't think they came from the stars at all. I think they were created when meteors hit the oddly proportioned denizens of the lands between. That they were nobles forcefully infused with meteoric minds and materials.
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Hey! Do you guys have a video on the ancestral followers or spirits? 😊
Not yet, buuuuuut stay tuned
@@square-table-gaming sure will!
Do all the lords use the meteorite of astel miracle? Or just the one in the evergaol? Cant help but wonder if the destruction if the eternal city / summoning of astel might be related to, if thats the case
Only Onyx Lords apparently
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The Lord at the Lake if Rot might there due to Astel.
Hello :), ive got a Question. Is there any lore about these "ghostly banners" on altus plateau? I think you're the right ones to ask :)
Not as of yet but the ghostly graves across the land of Shadow in the DLC may give us some context!
I thought it was the opposite order. I thought the onyx lord was kidnapped and in that jail he met an eager/curious young radahn. Also I think the alabaster lord is guarding Astel natural born of the void. Bc the only way to him is down… idk why he’s ABOVE and not on the path but that’s my thought lol
While it uses the onyx lord weapon the name of the enemy is Alabaster Lord over its health bar. I'm going out on a limb and saying the team wanted this to be an alabaster lord for story reasons, but the onyx lord was the only variation that could use meteor and it was important from a difficulty standpoint that he could use it. It was likely easier from an assets standpoint to simply use the completed enemy and give it the name they wanted rather than change the Alabaster Lords abilities.
@@square-table-gaming that’s very valid! I assumed the opposite: that they intended for an onyx lord and the coder just put alabaster not knowing which variant it was because they wouldn’t have seen it haha
@@GODE-ot9pu I'm honestly not even sure why there are variants at all. Seems odd we have so little to dig into as to why these lords come in 2 flavors
@@square-table-gaming again pure assumption: it’s just like normal vs dark elves trope. Only it’s pulling or pushing aliens lmao
Gravity matters only because my boy General Radahn has it. Great work but come on gravity is Zero without Radahn.
Isn't the Olivinus Conspectus related to meteors?
Yes but not gravity sorcery
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Where in limegrave are these gravity people?
Near the beginning of the game and in south limgrave
I loved Dragons Dogma 2. But its world isn’t NEARLY as expansive as Elden Ring. I mean this guy is STILL making extensive lore videos. FromSoftware jam packed sooo much content into one game it’s insane. Dragons Dogma’s weakest point was its short story line, lack luster side quests, and reskinned enemies. The gameplay and combat was the main fun point. Not to mention how easy it got after a certain level.
Most gravity weapons aren't that power carian and golden weapons do far more damage
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Im pretty sure the one in the evergaol is an Onxy lord.
You are correct, he used to be named "Alabaster Lord" and a patch changed the name.
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Gravity is the weakest force so what is the strongest
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As you stated, their station seems only in title, not in actual status. Looking at them, I don't think they wanted prestige or power as it would make sense soon as they fell they would have launched a campaign against the inhabitants of the land. If they followed after Astel, their intent had to be to stop it and prevent any other stars from falling and dominating the world/or land. It's hard to know which as everything is focused on this one continent instead of knowing the scale for the world itself.