I have over 260 hours in Elden Ring but a few days ago I started a new playthrough and I found an Alabaster lord in Limgrave near the the beach not far from the starting area. Somehow I did 3 playthroughs and I've never seen that one. Can't believe I'm still finding new things in this game.
That’s like the one I just found in Luirnia in an evergaol with that meteor spell. Had no idea there was a smaller version of Astel Meteor until last week🤯
I've always felt oddly that the Chrystalians and the (insert mineral) Lords may-be related. But this is nebulous as best. The only links are that "both are honoured guests" of Lucaria. Both are mineral linked. The lords arose from the earth when a meteor stroke it, while the Chrystalians are inorganic beings yet live. Hewn long ago. / Its tickling my gutt instincts.
I was under the impression for a long while that fromsoft genuinely gave up on trying to make an interesting world or tried but completely bombed it in some way, like they had george write some stuff and AI generated the rest of it. But I’m starting to see that There was SO much more attention put into the tiniest details like making architecture connections and deep symbolism of the gravity naked rock guys I’d just stab on my way through to get smithing stones. Its genuinely insane how much of this world is so expertly hidden in plain sight in the most interesting ways. This and this video explaining why the front gate of Lenydell is locked and there’s a massive abyss in place of half the inner city opened my eyes to the true storytelling magnificance of this game.
Food for thought. What if theyre the last remnants of the very first, primordial, lifeforms (outside of their potential dragon overlords) of the world of lands between?
gravity does NOT pull it Does push ,mass creates a dip in space time ..think of it like a weight on a trap the trap bends as weight is applied. so the flow of space time Pushes objects toward the center of the mass. There you go free science lesson done. .hope that helps
I’m assuming no one here works or gets laid? I have a crazy amount of free time I’m on new game 5 at the last 2 bosses and only have 200 hours logged like wow this game is yalls life apparently 😂
Just gonna put out there that Marika is also a stone-skinned alien. And that she showed up right after a big meteorite destroyed the Farum Azula. I'm pretty sure the Elden Ring is a story of interstellar warfare viewed from the perspective of a fantasy world.
@@spaghetticondo.m9116 Where are you getting that? She started cracking as soon as she hit the Elden Ring - her skin was already stone (or, as been brought to my attention, possibly wood).
@@pieoverlord Ok after some digging you may are right as soon as she hit the Elden ring it shattered and maybe broke the illusion of her skin being normal and maybe before she was a vessel her skin was normal I apologies i was wrong
Hey just wanted to let you know, after you mentioned Brandon Sanderson in one of your recent videos, I checked him out and unearthed a plethora of writing advice I wouldn't have found on my own. I hadn't heard of him before watching your video. So thank you! I hope to read The Well sometime, too
The cosmic elements of Elden Ring, in the Moon, Stars, and Gravity, will always be one of my favorite elements of the world: I truly can't wait to see if DLC will further explore these cosmic mysteries and such give us new means of harnessing such power for ourselves.
@@travman1987 Already have: it's up there for my favorite cosmic elements in games too, but not nearly as many cosmic abilities to the player as Elden Ring. Some great ones (pun slightly intended) but could have used more.
If by "forgotten" you mean "Part of Deep lore that encourages people to go out and learn new things, AKA best lore" then sure, let's go with forgotten 😂 No, but seriously, it's quite interesting to think about the Elves of Elden Ring. Very similar to Light and Dark Elf duality in Norse Mythology. And of course there's also the idea that Light Elves are the equivalent in Norse Mythology to Biblical angels, also appearing in humanoid or animal forms because their true forms are like incomprehensible Eldrich beings (look up biblically accurate angels to get what I mean) These guys are quite interesting in Elden Ring as they have ancient knowledge about the nature of the universe and it's workings from far ancient times. The connection to the divine towers is also super cool 😊👍
I think it was mentioned in lore that Radahn learned to hold the star cycle in order to keep Sellia from suffering an Astel disaster like what happened to the eternal city.
@@jootersblaccat the sword monument by Sellia says something like “Radahn holds back the stars, and Sellia is secure,” so we know that Radahn fought the stars to protect Sellia but it’s unclear from what. An Astel attack like the one that attacked the Eternal Cities is one possible explanation, but it really could be anything.
@@Zifzior he’s just putting up a front like the rest of his family and has selfish intentions. Same as when he learned gravity magic because his hard head didn’t want to be nice to his horse and realize he can’t ride him
Dang, I remember subscribing to your channel when you were at around 3k subscribers. Now you're at 113k! Good job man! I'm happy for you. I know it's not as easy as some people might think. You do a damn good job at these videos and that's why we subscribe and watch. You're definitely one of the best, if not the best, Elden Ring content creator out there. 💯
I have a sneaking suspicion that Radahn never told his mentor that he was gonna use gravity magic to halt the stars. We were told that he studied it for his little horsie, and the way he declared that he can challenge the stars seems prideful, almost like a villain who tricked the hero into helping them. The alabaster lord in the academy could’ve been captured by raya lucaria in order to find out what happened to the movement of the stars.
A bit late to the party, but I replayed Sellen's questline recently, and something took me off guard. It's how massive Lusat is. He's just not human sized. I know power makes you big in Fromsoft games, but Azur is much much smaller. He's about Albaster lord sized, I thought, in fact, and his skin is similarly grey. After I had this thought, I looked up that the school of magic he lead in Raya Lucaria was the Olivinus conspectus, which studies *meteors*. I would suggest that he could be an Onyx or Alabaster lord. What speaks against it, is obviously his portrait in Raya Lucaria, where he looks just like oher human sorcerers. But I'd say that it wouldn't be outside of Lusat's capabilities to change his appearance. Not that it would be so important, since we know that Alabaster/Onxy lords were know to teach their sorceries to others and there doesn't seem to be any hints of prejudice against them as far as I know
Regarding meteorites and Divine Towers, the isolated Divine Tower has indications that a meteorite passed through damaging parts of the top of the Tower. The interesting thing is that the damage traces a path that goes from the Sun, through the top of the Isolated Tower, and it winds up ending at Farum Azula. The Elden Beast came in a golden meteorite, Placidusax and Ancient Dragons have skin of Gold with stone scales, Farum Azula is always in the daytime and Gold and the Sun are symbolically related in Elden Ring and alchemy which is a huge influence in the game... Make what you will of those connections.
I guess that's why the protagonist has to be a Tarnished. They're free of the golden meteors power and influence that permeates everyone and everything else.
The impresion I always had about these creatures is that they're aliens and they don't belong in the Lands Between, that maybe they came from the cosmic place from which the Elden Beast fell.
The fell god symbol repeating everywhere might represent all the gods of elden ring and the big middle circle being the greater will And the smaller 8 circles being 1- the formless mother 2- chaos 3- the fell god 4- deathbirds god 5- gloam eyed queen's god 6- the rot god 7- the primeval current 8- the dragons' god🤔 In the wiki, they did mention other potential outer gods like the blood star, the serpant, and the dark moon, but these feel like combinations of 2 gods. the bloodstar being primeval current+formless mother, the serpent magma spells being primeval current+ fell god, and dark moon magic being death's ghostflame+primeval current. . .or something idk😂
We can assign a status/element damage type to each of them. Greater will=holy chaos=frenzy Rot god=rot+poison Fell god=fire Gloam eyes=black flame+deathblight? Formless mother=bleed Primeval current=magic Death bird god=frost/ghostflame Dragon god=lightning The last one is sleep. So there might be another outer god for saint trina we might see in the future. Or knowing miquella's welcoming of all faiths and creatures "graceful or malign" it might be from "the one great" which is basically all the gods combined.
Is it possible alabaster and onyx lords are to factions of the same peoples? Alabaster seemingly having been the ones that bent the knee and served raya lucaria/Carians while onyx being the rebels of some type, unwilling to use their gravity power to serve others. Maybe this is why there is an alabaster in the academy but an onyx imprisoned
Definitely a blind spot in the community. I never knew their landing spot showed the same symbol as the fell God. Maybe the sword of night and flame describes the link between magic and the fell god.
>landing spot is a large crater encircled by smaller ones >fell god eye has a large pupil encircled by smaller ones >Divine Tower "meteor shrines" are a large circular alcove encircled by smaller circles >The Lands Between's center is a massive crater encircled by the Divine Towers and gravity causes small planetary bodies (moons, etc) to orbit larger ones
Something I found recently in my current playthrough was that these gold meteorites you mentioned are also in the Heretical Rise 😮 I’m glad someone talked about em cuz I was sitting there brainstorming connections between the Divine Towers and the Ancient Sorcerers. Subbed!
It seems remarkably unlikely that the specified rumor of the Onyx and Alabaster lords rising to life following a great meteoric impact is anything but just that, a rumor resulting from an incomplete understanding of them, rather than explicitly true. When the game tells us "It is said," we are meant to understand that what is being communicated is not necessarily factual, but rather a popular belief that may or may not be true. Considering that both Alabaster and Onyx are crystals in real life, and furthermore based on the "Crystal Staff" description that states that Crystalians possess faint cogitation known as the "Wisdom of the Stone," and "cleave close to the Primordial Current," stone here leading back into the descriptions of the Onyx and Alabaster Lords, it can be assumed that the Onyx and Alabaster Lords are in fact the same type of organism as the Crystalians. Consider the Crystal Spear located in Sellia, strongly associated with Gravity Magic and Radahn, and further that the Crystalians are called the guests of sorcerers, and Radahn was himself taught by an Alabaster Lord IN Sellia. Worth noting as well is that while the Lords possess hair more alike what we recognize as hair and sharp pointed ears, the ears of the Crystalians are covered by faux carved hair. This association underlines the connection between Gravity Magic and the Primeval Current, and also goes a way to actually explaining the origins of these entities -- Arrived upon a vessel crafted from a meteor piloted by magic, originating from another world bringing their children who had never been transformed as they were, in search of the One who they served, their lost creator deity whose power turned them from flesh into living stone and allowed them to craft perfect weapons from organic materials by turning them inorganic. Of course after such an impact these Lords would appear as if they'd just risen from the dead, up from craters in the ground; and likewise, it seems extraordinarily difficult nigh on impossible to meaningfully and complexly communicate with either the Crystalians or their Lords of Onyx and Alabaster.
If the center of the Lands Between is indeed a huge crater, the placement of the Divine Towers would similarly mimic the pattern of of the impact craters and Fell God symbology. Except there are only 6 Divine Towers. It would be interesting if the DLC somehow incorporates 2 new Divine Towers 😁😁
We can't assume that the Alabaster Lord trained Radahn specifically to halt the stars. Many teachers have been horrified by how others use the knowledge they imparted.
or using their knowledge to commit acts of treason. like Goldmask, a Golden Order adherent, using his study of the Golden Order to figure out the Golden Order's fallibility and what to replace it with
I think this video is the perfect example of why the argument "I want an easy mode to see the games story" is not valid for fromsoftware games. This game came out almost 2 years ago, but we're still tring to piece the story together.
As a fan of cosmology and astrophysics, this was a surprisingly fun crossover. I'm completely deaf/blind to FS-style lore, I just can't deal with their storytelling, environmental or via text/dialogue and I never look into characters visually, just from a moveset/hitbox perspective and I get bored from a single line of dialogue in this game. I have 1,3k hours in ER and know absolutely nothing about the game and don't really care (same for DS3, where I had a similar playtime), this was the first lore video I ever watched that was actually fun to me. Good job!
R. Scott Bakker's The Prince of Nothing trilogy and The Aspect Emperor quadrilogy are a very underrated fantasy series and i keep finding nods to them. Go read these books if you want something very very dark and traumatic but very refreshing. I know Miyazaki did.
I have a question: This isn't explicitly related to the Lore however, I'd like to get an idea of what people think about the weapons that the Alabaster and Onyx Lords use that players can get. Do you guys think the Ashes of War on the Onyx Lord's Greatsword and Alabaster Lord's Sword should be different? Here's my opinion: The Onyx Lord's greatsword is a CURVED weapon, so the downward thrust to activate repulsion doesn't make sense since thrusting isn't the strongpoint of a curved blade. Having the Ash of War for the Onyx Lord's greatsword be a spin attack combo'ed into a repulsion blast would be better. For the Alabaster Lord's sword, a re-skin of Gravitas doesn't give it enough personality. If the gravity effect created a damage-over-time black hole at the epicenter that could stun trash mobs and some medium-ish enemies, it'd be way better. The reason I never use either of those weapons is because they lack both creativity and the thematic flair of the enemies they represent. Just my opinions; what are yours?
Literally played 300 hours and now waiting for the DLC because I already have all achievements. Sadly they won’t be able to make a DLC around every semi-interesting plotline they wrote. Like, we got the Lake of Rot, the Age of the Stars, The flame of frenzy and these ship-wrecks everywhere. I personally really don’t care about Miquella so story wise this DLC is gonna be an L for me since literally any other topic would be more interesting but let’s see what they come up with first before judging.
The Carians were once the Astronomers of old, and they made a pact with the Fire Giants, once upon a time. Considering the connection between the Divine towers, meteorites, and the symbol of The Giants' Fell God. Perhaps the distinction between Alabaster and Onyx lords played into the evolution of an ancient society, that those stargazers once vowed to aid in, sealing the fate of the opposition. In this case, I would think it makes sense that they'd have rejected the Onyx Lords' way of life, evidenced by the one in forever jail, with the alabaster lord in Liurnia posing as evidence that they were "accepted", in some capacity. We know Radahn's mentor was Alabaster, for instance. I think it is not unlike the way the Crucible was once worshipped, and now spurned. Not unlike the ancient worship of the Fell God, now spurned. Or the Three fingers, kept under lock and rite and stone. They could even very well be the manufacturers of the ancient golems. Or maybe there's even more to it, seeing as the Onyx lords seem to be the repulsive force, and the Alabaster the attractors. If Radahn is holding stars back, I'd hazard to guess he'd want an Onyx mentor for that strat..
soooo. the meteoric ore greatsword being an arrowhead of an ancient god, may mean the ancient god were possibly related to the onyx/alibaster lords. OR the forges where the arrow was crafted into a greatsword was run by the onyx/alibaster lord culture
Ever since Dark Souls 2, when they quietly added Dwarves to the pantheon of nonhuman entities in the FromSoft expanded universe, I feel like the Alabaster Lords are the closest we will get to Elves in these games. Properly cryptic and creepy like everything else the studio makes.
I feel like the pointy ears might be to make them look evocative of elves? It could be that simple. In Tolkien's works, the Elves were also called the Firstborn. So these would be primordially ancient beings. Perhaps the Lords we see are "fading" as the Elves do in Tolkien. They are bound to the Earth and will persist in it until it ends - it may take hundreds of thousands of years, but Tolkien wrote that eventually the Elves who remained in Middle Earth would become little more than restless spirits, wandering places they once knew and remembering the ancient days.
at 4:40 or so, that's just flat out wrong. Go check for yourself in-game. He says "ALL these impact craters follow this same order, with one large crater in the middle and 8 small craters surrounding it" There is no large crater in the center. There is no center. There's not even 8 of them surrounding anything. And none of the craters in the game follow the same pattern, they're just randomly clustered small impact craters. Literally everything about what he says is wrong here, but I guess that shouldn't be surprising when you know this channel well enough.
This lore goes so goddam deep and this is only a small enemy type you can find so few off. I wish these guys got more appreciation and hearing zio say "I hope we hear about these guys more in the dlc" had me get a good laugh in. FromSoftware how could you do this to us😭😭
i remember running into one of these guys a couple of times during my playthroughs, its dope to see how much lore can be found in enemies u may not even find
It makes me sad it's taken so long for Elden Ring to get a DLC. It's a game that would do well with multiple DLCs. Imagine one that focused on the space monster stuff, it'd be great.
Looking at Elden Rings map as an impact site will permanently alter how I look at it lksdhfg Also, just a thought but, is it ever stated that the Alabaster lords knew Radahn wanted to Halt the stars? Because perhaps they didn't know what he wanted to do with their magic and became enemies of Radahn after he put his plan into motion, thus being sealed away.
Check out the tarnished archeologist. I am 100% convinced by his argument that the divine towers bridges were made long after the divine towers, as they share no iconography with the towers themselves, nor any signs they were touched by the molten rock that has solidified onto them all. The bridges seem to have been built by the Golden order, repurposing the towers for two fingers worship.
I have around 700 hours in the game between two consoles and not only am I thinking about going back in but also have been watching videos about the game constantly since then.this is probably the best game I’ve played ever.
I feel like we should just be asking George RR Martin . He made the story and then the studio picked the story apart and made a game on the “ruins” . Imo
My theory is that they along with the fire giants were the intial races that resided in the lands between one was an elf like race the other a giant race. When the meteor crashed with the elden beast it killed off all of the elves with ash and impact that burried the bodies in the ground later strange meteors ressurected their ancient bodies and controlling them throughout life. The fire giants I predict survived due to their location on the map, while others like those seen in Caelid (skeletons) perished. With the impact the meteors allowed the giants to come into contact with the outer god of fire.
My theory is that they along with the fire giants were the intial races that resided in the lands between one was an elf like race the other a giant race. When the meteor crashed with the elden beast it killed off all of the elves with ash and impact that burried the bodies in the ground later strange meteors ressurected their ancient bodies and controlling them throughout life. The fire giants I predict survived due to their location on the map, while others like those seen in Caelid (skeletons) perished. With the impact the meteors allowed the giants to come into contact with the outer god of fire.
I think that there is one detail about the Lords that is most important and unclear. When did they fall to the lands between? What if they were they the first to fall?
how are the Lords relying on glintstone? where the glintstone they use? if they were resurrected from the meteor how does their power not come from the meteor and give them innate strength from its arrival and their resurrection?
I'm not making this up, it's background story to kingsfield. The alabaster and onyx lords are the elves that fell from the heavens in a meteor(technically a space ship) that destroyed a temple in the sky and slammed deep underground. But in Elden ring the alabaster lords symbolize pulling in even different aspects from themselves(radagon does this), and onyx lords reject all( 2 fingers loyal do this). I found a secret lift in debate parlor that used to go down to grand cloister, the higher up sorcerers know about this and after a debate, kept the true power of the acedemy a secret. The force holding togather those moons powered by purple crystals being farmed only there. The pulling effects of the alabaster lords. But its dark in nature and remember where you find the longtail cat talisman? Off a burnt corpse that jumped from the belfry. The belfry's tower lets users see the true nature of their spells and the person that jumped must have seen the truth of erternal darkness, burst into flames like a vampire, and jumped. Those crucified peopke are victims of the darkness too. They only wake at night and burn in the sun. In fact i think they transform into vampire bats from too much dark. But Marika is just as steeped in darkness, using the rejecting power of the onyx lords to become a perfect being. I guarantee her light is the shadow of her dark true self.
My theory on the Onyx and Alabaster Lords around Raya Lucaria is that the Onyx Lord was Radahn's teacher in Sellia as Radahn needed to repel or hold back celestial movements. The Lucarians likely tracked this Onyx Lord down and captured him for sharing this knowledge with Radahn. Meanwhile, the Alabaster Lord was apprehended by Raya Lucaria who enlisted him to help them develop magic that would counteract Radahn's hold on the stars, in lieu of imprisonment.
His teacher is outright said to have been an Alabaster Lord, though. That's not a mistranslation or misunderstanding or anything. Personally, I think the Alabaster Lord could still be Radahn's teacher who moved from Sellia after the, uh, Incident. And as for the Evergaoled Onyx Lord? Well, he gives you the Meteorite spell and is the only one to use it. Maybe he simply got arrested for dropping big rocks on his surroundings. Who knows why they put his prison cell right next to the royal graveyard, though.
I have over 260 hours in Elden Ring but a few days ago I started a new playthrough and I found an Alabaster lord in Limgrave near the the beach not far from the starting area. Somehow I did 3 playthroughs and I've never seen that one. Can't believe I'm still finding new things in this game.
is it the one in the cave, on the way to the isolated dragon church, on a island?
He's talking about the one that drops gravitas
Even after seeing everything you'll forget what you can find Early on sometimes
That’s like the one I just found in Luirnia in an evergaol with that meteor spell. Had no idea there was a smaller version of Astel Meteor until last week🤯
I just found this guy too! After beating Maliketh.. 😅
Love your content. The metroid music is something I also adore about your videos. Hearing torvus bog on this video made it even better.
Makes me wanna fire up another playthrough and do a gravity knight build!
The Tarnished Archeologist has an incredible video that shines more light on this subject, I highly recommend it.
I've always felt oddly that the Chrystalians and the (insert mineral) Lords may-be related. But this is nebulous as best. The only links are that "both are honoured guests" of Lucaria. Both are mineral linked. The lords arose from the earth when a meteor stroke it, while the Chrystalians are inorganic beings yet live. Hewn long ago. / Its tickling my gutt instincts.
Ive been studying religion and spirituality and philosophy and finding so much of it buried in Elden Ring is beautiful. Truely an epic.
I was under the impression for a long while that fromsoft genuinely gave up on trying to make an interesting world or tried but completely bombed it in some way, like they had george write some stuff and AI generated the rest of it. But I’m starting to see that There was SO much more attention put into the tiniest details like making architecture connections and deep symbolism of the gravity naked rock guys I’d just stab on my way through to get smithing stones. Its genuinely insane how much of this world is so expertly hidden in plain sight in the most interesting ways.
This and this video explaining why the front gate of Lenydell is locked and there’s a massive abyss in place of half the inner city opened my eyes to the true storytelling magnificance of this game.
Food for thought. What if theyre the last remnants of the very first, primordial, lifeforms (outside of their potential dragon overlords) of the world of lands between?
They are pthumerians after a weekend on the beach.
They are some sort of allusion to the light and dark elves from Norse mythology.
gravity does NOT pull it Does push ,mass creates a dip in space time ..think of it like a weight on a trap the trap bends as weight is applied. so the flow of space time Pushes objects toward the center of the mass. There you go free science lesson done. .hope that helps
What if they were once elves that were whipped out
Ahh yeah.. Nice zio
I think the Game's map is a terribly organised Museum of Reality and you do wonderful job organising it a bit as Fromsoft hopefully does the same 😅
I think its spelled alabastard. I hated fighting those muddufuggahs 😂😂
"Everyone forgot..." ??? what are you talking about?
I think he just meant it like they're lesser characters that people probably don't think about as much.
That and for such fearsome ancient lords, you’d think they’d show up in the story more than once or twice
doesn't really make sense but ok@@billj.8690
is the thumbnail AI generated? if so, im very disappointed man. i love your content but why put AI rubbish in your work :(
Literally 800 hours in this game and still watching videos about the lore and playing it. Best game I've played in my lifetime.
I have 800 hours with 2 of my 5 characters. Im well over 1200 hours.
Im at a little over 1,200 too, crazy addictive game
@rican_921 I thought my 500 hours was impressive 😅 👍🏽
I’m assuming no one here works or gets laid? I have a crazy amount of free time I’m on new game 5 at the last 2 bosses and only have 200 hours logged like wow this game is yalls life apparently 😂
@@khaosxth3ory805 i work, workout, fuck and play elden ring. I get way more 🐱than you I promise you haha
Just gonna put out there that Marika is also a stone-skinned alien. And that she showed up right after a big meteorite destroyed the Farum Azula.
I'm pretty sure the Elden Ring is a story of interstellar warfare viewed from the perspective of a fantasy world.
Wait what
idk about tht Marika never began with stone skin it was later when she is basically dead
@@spaghetticondo.m9116 Where are you getting that? She started cracking as soon as she hit the Elden Ring - her skin was already stone (or, as been brought to my attention, possibly wood).
@@pieoverlord Ok after some digging you may are right as soon as she hit the Elden ring it shattered and maybe broke the illusion of her skin being normal and maybe before she was a vessel her skin was normal I apologies i was wrong
Hey just wanted to let you know, after you mentioned Brandon Sanderson in one of your recent videos, I checked him out and unearthed a plethora of writing advice I wouldn't have found on my own. I hadn't heard of him before watching your video. So thank you! I hope to read The Well sometime, too
I love that Brandon uploaded his college lectures ❤ his advice inspired me to start writing again
yeah me too, and he's still active on RUclips!
Did you actually read his books?
Tarnished Archaeologist has really great deep-dives into the history of worship in the lands between, including a great one about the divine towers
The cosmic elements of Elden Ring, in the Moon, Stars, and Gravity, will always be one of my favorite elements of the world: I truly can't wait to see if DLC will further explore these cosmic mysteries and such give us new means of harnessing such power for ourselves.
You should try Bloodborne if you haven’t already
@@travman1987 Already have: it's up there for my favorite cosmic elements in games too, but not nearly as many cosmic abilities to the player as Elden Ring. Some great ones (pun slightly intended) but could have used more.
If by "forgotten" you mean "Part of Deep lore that encourages people to go out and learn new things, AKA best lore" then sure, let's go with forgotten 😂
No, but seriously, it's quite interesting to think about the Elves of Elden Ring. Very similar to Light and Dark Elf duality in Norse Mythology. And of course there's also the idea that Light Elves are the equivalent in Norse Mythology to Biblical angels, also appearing in humanoid or animal forms because their true forms are like incomprehensible Eldrich beings (look up biblically accurate angels to get what I mean) These guys are quite interesting in Elden Ring as they have ancient knowledge about the nature of the universe and it's workings from far ancient times. The connection to the divine towers is also super cool 😊👍
I think it was mentioned in lore that Radahn learned to hold the star cycle in order to keep Sellia from suffering an Astel disaster like what happened to the eternal city.
I can't find it anywhere, do you perhaps remember anything of where you found that info?
@@jootersblaccat the sword monument by Sellia says something like “Radahn holds back the stars, and Sellia is secure,” so we know that Radahn fought the stars to protect Sellia but it’s unclear from what. An Astel attack like the one that attacked the Eternal Cities is one possible explanation, but it really could be anything.
@@Zifzior he’s just putting up a front like the rest of his family and has selfish intentions. Same as when he learned gravity magic because his hard head didn’t want to be nice to his horse and realize he can’t ride him
Dang, I remember subscribing to your channel when you were at around 3k subscribers. Now you're at 113k! Good job man! I'm happy for you. I know it's not as easy as some people might think. You do a damn good job at these videos and that's why we subscribe and watch. You're definitely one of the best, if not the best, Elden Ring content creator out there. 💯
I have a sneaking suspicion that Radahn never told his mentor that he was gonna use gravity magic to halt the stars. We were told that he studied it for his little horsie, and the way he declared that he can challenge the stars seems prideful, almost like a villain who tricked the hero into helping them. The alabaster lord in the academy could’ve been captured by raya lucaria in order to find out what happened to the movement of the stars.
A bit late to the party, but I replayed Sellen's questline recently, and something took me off guard. It's how massive Lusat is. He's just not human sized. I know power makes you big in Fromsoft games, but Azur is much much smaller. He's about Albaster lord sized, I thought, in fact, and his skin is similarly grey. After I had this thought, I looked up that the school of magic he lead in Raya Lucaria was the Olivinus conspectus, which studies *meteors*. I would suggest that he could be an Onyx or Alabaster lord. What speaks against it, is obviously his portrait in Raya Lucaria, where he looks just like oher human sorcerers. But I'd say that it wouldn't be outside of Lusat's capabilities to change his appearance. Not that it would be so important, since we know that Alabaster/Onxy lords were know to teach their sorceries to others and there doesn't seem to be any hints of prejudice against them as far as I know
Regarding meteorites and Divine Towers, the isolated Divine Tower has indications that a meteorite passed through damaging parts of the top of the Tower. The interesting thing is that the damage traces a path that goes from the Sun, through the top of the Isolated Tower, and it winds up ending at Farum Azula. The Elden Beast came in a golden meteorite, Placidusax and Ancient Dragons have skin of Gold with stone scales, Farum Azula is always in the daytime and Gold and the Sun are symbolically related in Elden Ring and alchemy which is a huge influence in the game... Make what you will of those connections.
I guess that's why the protagonist has to be a Tarnished. They're free of the golden meteors power and influence that permeates everyone and everything else.
Are you going to stream the Game awards like last year?
Absolutely
@@Ziostorm Looking forward to it
@@ZiostormI'll be tuning in!
The impresion I always had about these creatures is that they're aliens and they don't belong in the Lands Between, that maybe they came from the cosmic place from which the Elden Beast fell.
The fell god symbol repeating everywhere might represent all the gods of elden ring and the big middle circle being the greater will
And the smaller 8 circles being 1- the formless mother 2- chaos 3- the fell god 4- deathbirds god 5- gloam eyed queen's god 6- the rot god 7- the primeval current 8- the dragons' god🤔
In the wiki, they did mention other potential outer gods like the blood star, the serpant, and the dark moon, but these feel like combinations of 2 gods. the bloodstar being primeval current+formless mother, the serpent magma spells being primeval current+ fell god, and dark moon magic being death's ghostflame+primeval current. . .or something idk😂
We can assign a status/element damage type to each of them.
Greater will=holy
chaos=frenzy
Rot god=rot+poison
Fell god=fire
Gloam eyes=black flame+deathblight?
Formless mother=bleed
Primeval current=magic
Death bird god=frost/ghostflame
Dragon god=lightning
The last one is sleep. So there might be another outer god for saint trina we might see in the future. Or knowing miquella's welcoming of all faiths and creatures "graceful or malign" it might be from "the one great" which is basically all the gods combined.
Is it possible alabaster and onyx lords are to factions of the same peoples? Alabaster seemingly having been the ones that bent the knee and served raya lucaria/Carians while onyx being the rebels of some type, unwilling to use their gravity power to serve others. Maybe this is why there is an alabaster in the academy but an onyx imprisoned
Definitely a blind spot in the community. I never knew their landing spot showed the same symbol as the fell God. Maybe the sword of night and flame describes the link between magic and the fell god.
>landing spot is a large crater encircled by smaller ones
>fell god eye has a large pupil encircled by smaller ones
>Divine Tower "meteor shrines" are a large circular alcove encircled by smaller circles
>The Lands Between's center is a massive crater encircled by the Divine Towers
and gravity causes small planetary bodies (moons, etc) to orbit larger ones
Anf also someguy just made armored core 6 lore about alchemy and armored core 6 similarities
Guy named garrulous goldmask
Something I found recently in my current playthrough was that these gold meteorites you mentioned are also in the Heretical Rise 😮 I’m glad someone talked about em cuz I was sitting there brainstorming connections between the Divine Towers and the Ancient Sorcerers. Subbed!
Thank god someone else feels like these lords are forgotten…
The way they are introduced into the the game deserve so much more attention.
It seems remarkably unlikely that the specified rumor of the Onyx and Alabaster lords rising to life following a great meteoric impact is anything but just that, a rumor resulting from an incomplete understanding of them, rather than explicitly true. When the game tells us "It is said," we are meant to understand that what is being communicated is not necessarily factual, but rather a popular belief that may or may not be true.
Considering that both Alabaster and Onyx are crystals in real life, and furthermore based on the "Crystal Staff" description that states that Crystalians possess faint cogitation known as the "Wisdom of the Stone," and "cleave close to the Primordial Current," stone here leading back into the descriptions of the Onyx and Alabaster Lords, it can be assumed that the Onyx and Alabaster Lords are in fact the same type of organism as the Crystalians. Consider the Crystal Spear located in Sellia, strongly associated with Gravity Magic and Radahn, and further that the Crystalians are called the guests of sorcerers, and Radahn was himself taught by an Alabaster Lord IN Sellia.
Worth noting as well is that while the Lords possess hair more alike what we recognize as hair and sharp pointed ears, the ears of the Crystalians are covered by faux carved hair.
This association underlines the connection between Gravity Magic and the Primeval Current, and also goes a way to actually explaining the origins of these entities -- Arrived upon a vessel crafted from a meteor piloted by magic, originating from another world bringing their children who had never been transformed as they were, in search of the One who they served, their lost creator deity whose power turned them from flesh into living stone and allowed them to craft perfect weapons from organic materials by turning them inorganic.
Of course after such an impact these Lords would appear as if they'd just risen from the dead, up from craters in the ground; and likewise, it seems extraordinarily difficult nigh on impossible to meaningfully and complexly communicate with either the Crystalians or their Lords of Onyx and Alabaster.
That enormous impact crater that destroyed the ancient civilization was almost certainly the one containing the Elden Beast
Never heard anyone else mention the meteors built into that unique divine tower. Great stuff!
Wow I had no idea about the meteorites in the divine towers! Its insane the detail fromsoftware puts in to it's environmental storytelling.
Alabaster/Onyx lords have always been my favorite niche piece of elden ring lore
If the center of the Lands Between is indeed a huge crater, the placement of the Divine Towers would similarly mimic the pattern of of the impact craters and Fell God symbology. Except there are only 6 Divine Towers. It would be interesting if the DLC somehow incorporates 2 new Divine Towers 😁😁
We can't assume that the Alabaster Lord trained Radahn specifically to halt the stars. Many teachers have been horrified by how others use the knowledge they imparted.
or using their knowledge to commit acts of treason. like Goldmask, a Golden Order adherent, using his study of the Golden Order to figure out the Golden Order's fallibility and what to replace it with
I think this video is the perfect example of why the argument "I want an easy mode to see the games story" is not valid for fromsoftware games.
This game came out almost 2 years ago, but we're still tring to piece the story together.
even the storytelling is on hardcore mode
Tarnished Archaeologist did an entire video about the connection between the meteors and divine towers.
The early astrologist tricked the giants to build towers for their fell god…
but instead brought the Elden beast from beyond the stars?
Now radahn also has the same kinda skin so would radahn have become an onyx lord demigod hybrid because of the great runes power.
As a fan of cosmology and astrophysics, this was a surprisingly fun crossover. I'm completely deaf/blind to FS-style lore, I just can't deal with their storytelling, environmental or via text/dialogue and I never look into characters visually, just from a moveset/hitbox perspective and I get bored from a single line of dialogue in this game. I have 1,3k hours in ER and know absolutely nothing about the game and don't really care (same for DS3, where I had a similar playtime), this was the first lore video I ever watched that was actually fun to me. Good job!
R. Scott Bakker's The Prince of Nothing trilogy and The Aspect Emperor quadrilogy are a very underrated fantasy series and i keep finding nods to them. Go read these books if you want something very very dark and traumatic but very refreshing. I know Miyazaki did.
I have a question:
This isn't explicitly related to the Lore however, I'd like to get an idea of what people think about the weapons that the Alabaster and Onyx Lords use that players can get.
Do you guys think the Ashes of War on the Onyx Lord's Greatsword and Alabaster Lord's Sword should be different? Here's my opinion:
The Onyx Lord's greatsword is a CURVED weapon, so the downward thrust to activate repulsion doesn't make sense since thrusting isn't the strongpoint of a curved blade. Having the Ash of War for the Onyx Lord's greatsword be a spin attack combo'ed into a repulsion blast would be better.
For the Alabaster Lord's sword, a re-skin of Gravitas doesn't give it enough personality. If the gravity effect created a damage-over-time black hole at the epicenter that could stun trash mobs and some medium-ish enemies, it'd be way better.
The reason I never use either of those weapons is because they lack both creativity and the thematic flair of the enemies they represent.
Just my opinions; what are yours?
Literally played 300 hours and now waiting for the DLC because I already have all achievements. Sadly they won’t be able to make a DLC around every semi-interesting plotline they wrote. Like, we got the Lake of Rot, the Age of the Stars, The flame of frenzy and these ship-wrecks everywhere. I personally really don’t care about Miquella so story wise this DLC is gonna be an L for me since literally any other topic would be more interesting but let’s see what they come up with first before judging.
BRO WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE BACKROUND SONG U USE???? its hard some1 plzzzz help
The Eldar (star folk) are simply making a reappearance. Dökkálfar and Ljósálfar.
I love Fromsoft's use of mixed mythology.
Its impordint to attrack
The Carians were once the Astronomers of old, and they made a pact with the Fire Giants, once upon a time. Considering the connection between the Divine towers, meteorites, and the symbol of The Giants' Fell God. Perhaps the distinction between Alabaster and Onyx lords played into the evolution of an ancient society, that those stargazers once vowed to aid in, sealing the fate of the opposition. In this case, I would think it makes sense that they'd have rejected the Onyx Lords' way of life, evidenced by the one in forever jail, with the alabaster lord in Liurnia posing as evidence that they were "accepted", in some capacity. We know Radahn's mentor was Alabaster, for instance. I think it is not unlike the way the Crucible was once worshipped, and now spurned. Not unlike the ancient worship of the Fell God, now spurned. Or the Three fingers, kept under lock and rite and stone. They could even very well be the manufacturers of the ancient golems. Or maybe there's even more to it, seeing as the Onyx lords seem to be the repulsive force, and the Alabaster the attractors. If Radahn is holding stars back, I'd hazard to guess he'd want an Onyx mentor for that strat..
soooo. the meteoric ore greatsword being an arrowhead of an ancient god, may mean the ancient god were possibly related to the onyx/alibaster lords. OR the forges where the arrow was crafted into a greatsword was run by the onyx/alibaster lord culture
Ever since Dark Souls 2, when they quietly added Dwarves to the pantheon of nonhuman entities in the FromSoft expanded universe, I feel like the Alabaster Lords are the closest we will get to Elves in these games. Properly cryptic and creepy like everything else the studio makes.
I feel like the pointy ears might be to make them look evocative of elves? It could be that simple. In Tolkien's works, the Elves were also called the Firstborn. So these would be primordially ancient beings. Perhaps the Lords we see are "fading" as the Elves do in Tolkien. They are bound to the Earth and will persist in it until it ends - it may take hundreds of thousands of years, but Tolkien wrote that eventually the Elves who remained in Middle Earth would become little more than restless spirits, wandering places they once knew and remembering the ancient days.
at 4:40 or so, that's just flat out wrong. Go check for yourself in-game. He says "ALL these impact craters follow this same order, with one large crater in the middle and 8 small craters surrounding it"
There is no large crater in the center. There is no center. There's not even 8 of them surrounding anything. And none of the craters in the game follow the same pattern, they're just randomly clustered small impact craters.
Literally everything about what he says is wrong here, but I guess that shouldn't be surprising when you know this channel well enough.
This lore goes so goddam deep and this is only a small enemy type you can find so few off. I wish these guys got more appreciation and hearing zio say "I hope we hear about these guys more in the dlc" had me get a good laugh in. FromSoftware how could you do this to us😭😭
i remember running into one of these guys a couple of times during my playthroughs, its dope to see how much lore can be found in enemies u may not even find
It makes me sad it's taken so long for Elden Ring to get a DLC. It's a game that would do well with multiple DLCs. Imagine one that focused on the space monster stuff, it'd be great.
Looking at Elden Rings map as an impact site will permanently alter how I look at it lksdhfg
Also, just a thought but, is it ever stated that the Alabaster lords knew Radahn wanted to Halt the stars?
Because perhaps they didn't know what he wanted to do with their magic and became enemies of Radahn after he put his plan into motion, thus being sealed away.
Check out the tarnished archeologist. I am 100% convinced by his argument that the divine towers bridges were made long after the divine towers, as they share no iconography with the towers themselves, nor any signs they were touched by the molten rock that has solidified onto them all. The bridges seem to have been built by the Golden order, repurposing the towers for two fingers worship.
I always just wrote them off as “Elden Ring’s elves” since there wasn’t much else I noticed about them.
I have around 700 hours in the game between two consoles and not only am I thinking about going back in but also have been watching videos about the game constantly since then.this is probably the best game I’ve played ever.
I can't even play it anymore bc I have soooo many hours. But I will watch every single lore video on RUclips, that's a promise and a fact
I feel like we should just be asking George RR Martin . He made the story and then the studio picked the story apart and made a game on the “ruins” . Imo
Who "actually holds this power ". Not sure. I believe that the gravity enemies are just using the power.
My theory is that they along with the fire giants were the intial races that resided in the lands between one was an elf like race the other a giant race. When the meteor crashed with the elden beast it killed off all of the elves with ash and impact that burried the bodies in the ground later strange meteors ressurected their ancient bodies and controlling them throughout life. The fire giants I predict survived due to their location on the map, while others like those seen in Caelid (skeletons) perished. With the impact the meteors allowed the giants to come into contact with the outer god of fire.
My theory is that they along with the fire giants were the intial races that resided in the lands between one was an elf like race the other a giant race. When the meteor crashed with the elden beast it killed off all of the elves with ash and impact that burried the bodies in the ground later strange meteors ressurected their ancient bodies and controlling them throughout life. The fire giants I predict survived due to their location on the map, while others like those seen in Caelid (skeletons) perished. With the impact the meteors allowed the giants to come into contact with the outer god of fire.
With Radhann being insane from the scarlet rot but still holding them back shows just how important it was, i think
Lords that came to the Lands Between on meteorites? I guess you could call them... the Lords of the Fallen.
I never forgot.. had some pretty epic battles against the alabaster & onyx lords.
All I know about these guys is that when I see a black hole, I equip the Giant Crasher.
The lord was probably locked up in the Carian manor to be tortured until he can undo what Rhadan did to Rhanis fate.
Original map idea was post global warming America, tarnished were banished to this worlds old world.
I think that there is one detail about the Lords that is most important and unclear. When did they fall to the lands between? What if they were they the first to fall?
how are the Lords relying on glintstone? where the glintstone they use? if they were resurrected from the meteor how does their power not come from the meteor and give them innate strength from its arrival and their resurrection?
dude that intro music is insanity very much dopamine ;)
500 hours NG+11, im still finding new things.
Dealing with the consequences of defeating radahn could be a banger of a dlc
Maybe the stone skin creatures were the meteors and they arrived terminator style that’s why they look so rock like
I always thought it would be cool to be able to get all the way down the meteorite that crashes after the Radahn Festival
Metroid ost slaps. Dude talking about elden ring lore is cool too but Metroid prime goes in.
if theres a 2nd dlc its most likely going to be around some cosmic stuff
That Metroid Prime music in the background tho
Pretty sure they were part of the game before the lore was written and then they didn't know where to fit them.
I'm not making this up, it's background story to kingsfield. The alabaster and onyx lords are the elves that fell from the heavens in a meteor(technically a space ship) that destroyed a temple in the sky and slammed deep underground. But in Elden ring the alabaster lords symbolize pulling in even different aspects from themselves(radagon does this), and onyx lords reject all( 2 fingers loyal do this). I found a secret lift in debate parlor that used to go down to grand cloister, the higher up sorcerers know about this and after a debate, kept the true power of the acedemy a secret. The force holding togather those moons powered by purple crystals being farmed only there. The pulling effects of the alabaster lords. But its dark in nature and remember where you find the longtail cat talisman? Off a burnt corpse that jumped from the belfry. The belfry's tower lets users see the true nature of their spells and the person that jumped must have seen the truth of erternal darkness, burst into flames like a vampire, and jumped. Those crucified peopke are victims of the darkness too. They only wake at night and burn in the sun. In fact i think they transform into vampire bats from too much dark. But Marika is just as steeped in darkness, using the rejecting power of the onyx lords to become a perfect being. I guarantee her light is the shadow of her dark true self.
I'm not saying titanite and it's demons are the same symbolism, but actually, I am.
I still feel that lots of the stories in elden ring are incomplete lots of things are cool but feels as if they had no time to finish them
Im a simple nerd, i hear metroid prime music, i like video 👍
I just got to Melania last night I don’t want this game to ever end 😭
Your more than welcome to change up the music bro.
Never
@@Ziostorm Common man, put some fusion in there once in a while, under rated sound track!
I think it is good and unique to him
@@Ziostormpart of the reason I love your content is the prime music.
@@gino689- Yeah your right, other youtubers copy him now and put metroid music into their souls videos.
RL 200 on NG+ 2 and I’ve never seen one of these guys
always thought these guys were dark elves
More lore on elden ring and armored core 6 please
They remind me of the engineer race from the alien movies.
What is the armor he is wearing at 2.44 against radahnn?
You didn’t start with “what’s going on guys”
My theory on the Onyx and Alabaster Lords around Raya Lucaria is that the Onyx Lord was Radahn's teacher in Sellia as Radahn needed to repel or hold back celestial movements. The Lucarians likely tracked this Onyx Lord down and captured him for sharing this knowledge with Radahn. Meanwhile, the Alabaster Lord was apprehended by Raya Lucaria who enlisted him to help them develop magic that would counteract Radahn's hold on the stars, in lieu of imprisonment.
His teacher is outright said to have been an Alabaster Lord, though. That's not a mistranslation or misunderstanding or anything.
Personally, I think the Alabaster Lord could still be Radahn's teacher who moved from Sellia after the, uh, Incident. And as for the Evergaoled Onyx Lord? Well, he gives you the Meteorite spell and is the only one to use it. Maybe he simply got arrested for dropping big rocks on his surroundings. Who knows why they put his prison cell right next to the royal graveyard, though.