Hi Andy as someone who is totally dependant on my 2 x 8s 280A batteries for all my power needs (as i am offgrid after my main house on my farm burned down okt last year) i just wanted to thank you for all the videos, they have helped answer my questions and make sure i have a system that is better then i would have figured out myself... but located in Denmark i can assure you that our winter weather is for looooooong periods not much more than 0.1-0.3kwh daly on a 2500 pv array ...
hej jeg har et par møller en af de bedre ældre 12v 400w som jeg havde oppe i en del år før huset brændte , planen er at sætte den op midlertidigt her den 2 jan , udover det har jeg også en istabreeze i1500 w en af de få møller der levere den ratede strømmængde , og til at holde strømmen indtil da har jeg kørt nogle gamle millitær generatore en 12/24v 500w ,og en 3,5kw diesel og det hjælper at jeg kun bruger under 1 kw i døgnet
Thank you for your feedback and very sorry to hear about your house! Would wind power work better for you in winter? If you're not far from the coast, it might be worth looking into it?
@@OffGridGarageAustralia hi yes I am located on a small island Bornholm in the Baltic sea and I have a istabreeze i1500 w turbine it is however a pain to raise such a fairly big unit alot of strengthening of the barn to were is is gonna be mounted to had to be done. And it should be up in early spring. This weekend we are raising a old 12v 400w turbine I had kicking around. That should save me from running my genny so much. My power needs are tiny in winter 1 to 1. 7 kwh per day is enough.. And thanks for your answer. Enjoy the sun..
Ironic that Google only thought to show me this video in my feed this morning...yesterday the weather here was crazy as well and in fact, unlike your start to your video, yesterday afternoon it actually got so dark at 4pm in the afternoon that all the victron's shut off and it stayed that way for a few hours! I was generating more power at 8PM than I was at 4PM. Hope your holidays are relaxing and not stressed, enjoy and thanks for sharing such valuable knowledge :)
Andy, so as i said month ago...always use isolated Interfaces. Never ever different. I'm in the Industrial Automation where every Interface MUST be isolated. BTW: greetings from the Digital Meermeid.
Do not forget to connect the GND line, especially on an isolated CAN interface board, otherwise you might run into the same problems as before from floating potentials damaging your IO stages. Differential signaling does not mean GND free signaling. Pull your isolated GND plane of the IO board to a known potential. I had enough problems of this kind to solve as an hardware development engineer in industrial metering industries.
Usually it works on on isolated stages since the GND potential will be defined since most transceiver ICs have protection diodes which will pull the GND potential to the lowest pin and the current required to do so is tiny. Sometimes there is even a external resistor network that usually bias the CAN_H and CAN_L lines to a reference point of the transceiver but would probably also create a defined GND potential from the incoming signal if it weren't connected. (It's far from ideal but it usually works when capacitance to the non-isolated power rails is low enough) Since the previous CAN hat however wasn't isolated this won't work. In an ideal case the current will be low the diodes will use the CAN_L line as a sort of ground, but even in this case while there won't be any damage due all benefits of the differential signal are lost and noise will interfere with communication. In the worst case as you mentioned it will damage IO stages. PS: In the last video about the CAN Hat at the end he actually said "You most likely don't need ground". Which is of course a wrong assumption to make. I think people mix "quasi/semi-differential" (like CAN, RS485, etc.) with real differential signaling like in Ethernet (where the reference is decoupled via magnetics/transformers).
@@Ether_Void well explained, thank you 🙂!! We engineers have already built in a lot of safety nets so that the shit works well even under adverse conditions 😎. Hopefully noone takes those technical safety nets as a valid excuse to leave the GND connection open, just because it might work. Modern people are always so careless because all the modern safety nets always catch them when they fall off the thightrope. Then they use a lawyer to sue anyone who didnt tell them that you can hurt yourself when you fall off the tightrope.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia As mentioned (in my rather convoluted and long comment) this is somewhat expected when the driver is isolated since the bias circuit and/or protection diodes of the driver take care of that. But I still think the issues with the previous CAN-Hat that wasn't isolated came from a missing ground connection so it depends on too many other factors if the CAN signals are in a voltage range that the driver can still detect.
It should be known as the double insulated Peter hat board. Peace to you Andy, and thank you for a year of information and entertainment. Best to you and your family.
Wie immer, sehr informativ und kurzweilig. Danke Namesvetter (Andreas aka Andy) und ruhige und besinnliche Feiertage und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr.
Hi Andy! The manufacturer of the charge controller (Not Victron) says that I cannot connect two similar charge controllers in parallel so that they receive power from the same wire that comes from the solar panels, but I can connect them both in parallel to charge the same battery, as long as both controllers get their own power from different circuits. But: No one has yet explained to me why they must not be sharing the same circuit, although I have asked the experts. This idea came about because I already have a charge controller, the capacity of which may not be enough for the power produced by the current panel when the sun is shining on a cloudless, frosty day in winter and when there is snow on the ground everywhere reflecting the extra sunlight. The charge controller manufacturer said that the controller is damaged by too much current from the panels, in addition to only being able to withstand a certain voltage. So I originally thought that by getting another similar charge controller I would fix it: One pair of wires from the solar panels 60 meters away - I share it for both charge controllers to the "PV" terminal and take power from them by connecting both "BATTERY" terminals and take them to the battery via a suitable fuse. I wouldn't want to uselessly divide the panels into two circuits and then spend money on two wires (+/-) (+/-), because even one pair can withstand the current coming from the panels. Maybe You Andy will check out this issue... Thank you!
You can connect as many solar charge controllers to your battery as you like. Each solar charge controller needs its own separate array of solar panels.
@@MR-ub6sq It's in the name MPPT - Maximum Power Point Tracking. The controller drives the panels at their max power point depending on light conditions. Another controller at the same panels would interfere with the first controller and they start fighting.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Thank you Andy. You have the opportunity to test the nature of this "fight" because you have multiple Victrons of the same type. Connect two Victrons in parallel to "fight" for power from the same panel array. Do it and we can learn what it's really like! When I ask Victron's European headquarters, they pass my question to the importer, who can't explain it... Since I'm not very good at English (I use google translator all the time) I don't really know how the MPPT controller "drives" the panels - as you wrote. My sense says that the panels do what they do regardless of the controller, but the controller makes the current coming from the panels as large as possible, lowering the charging voltage suitable for the battery. My imagination says that I want to have a charge controller that always drives the panels directly towards the sun :)
Have you tried using a USB to CAN adapter instead of a HAT. Many cases don't handle the hats but the USB adapters are an alternative that can do the job as well. Pi-Hut UK sells them for £15.42
Could work as well, I just don't have any USB ports free on the Pi and the USB hub atm. Not sure what drivers they need or if they need any special setup.
I don't have any free USB ports at the Pi and USB hub. Never heard of anyone using such an adapter, so not sure what drivers or scripting it would need...
I'm using the original "non-isolated" CAN adapter with Victron RS6000 over the year without any single issue. Don't think the fail is in CAN adapter if it works with everything else except one device. But well, if that change helps 🙂 Have a beautiful christmas and happy new year!
Yeah, not sure either. It seems to work for a day or two and trips out by then. Someone here suggested a missing ground cable. Might be worth trying...
So just got this all configured, well to the point I can see the two can port's 0 and 1, TX and RX's incrementing. Same Pi CAN Hat. The question is, why no JK-BMS in my device list? Is that what the Peter board buys me? Or am I just missing something? And boy has the install of this changed, since you recorded this. Thanks all!
I figured it out, I didn't have CAN Protocol No.: set to Victron in JK-BMS-MONITOR. I guess that's what sleep is for :) Thanks Andy, it's been such a fun ride!
I noticed when I was checking my Victron device list and that they are different viewing on my iPhone as opposed to an android device. The iPhone doesn’t show the lynx shunt but the android device is showing the lynx shunt. Just doesn’t make sense that the devices are working opposite of each other different interface.
I have a tip for you Andy, don't use double side tape or velcro, use 3M's Picture hanging strips. I use them for remotes and controllers etc they are great no mess!! Hoo Hoo Merry Christmass Andy!
These Velcro strips are great as well. Until they get warm😄 I think it's the same for the photo strips as they use a hair dryer to remove them from the frame...
Of course, the downside of changing the configuration before restarting the Pi is that if the new configuration happens to be wrong, it won't match _either_ hardware configuration you have at hand.
So I have a 24 volt inverter and charges at a maximum voltage of 33 Volt Solar/Mains. I built a 9S LiFePo4 55Ah battery. Would a 8S battery be a better option? I am using a JK BMS BD6A20S10P
Hello Andy, (from not so sunny England), kind of related to this video (CAN communication etc...), do you know if it is possible to parallel Seplos 10C BMS with Seplos v3.0 BMS? I see you have played with 10C & 10E and v3.0 on its own, but not together. I have a 10C and need another BMS quickly for a 2nd battery and the only one I can get quickly is the v3.0 (type B). Love the videos, keep up the good work.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Thank you Andy. I have messaged Seplos and asked them to consider making them compatible in the future. If I want to expand my system and can’t get the older versions to match, I will need to buy many new BMS’s - great for their business but not my pocket. Could lead people to find more friendly alternatives.
@@keithhebard1728 You don't necessarily need communication between the batteries and BMS. They will work perfectly fine as standalone BMSes. Same as in my battery shelf.
Hi Andy, hope you had an enjoyable Christmas and wishing you a very happy 2024. Loosely related to the double can board, how would the Victron inverter / cerbo GX cope if 2 brands of BMS were connected via can to the cerbo. Currently have pylontech batteries but planning on adding more capacity and thinking of getting my own cells and separate bms to add to existing system?
Happy New Year! That will most likely not work. You can only connect one BMS to the Cerbo/Pi. If you have several batteries with their own BMS each, they need to communicate all data to the master BMS which aggregates the data and sends it to the Cerbo. So, all BMS need to be the same brand and compatible to each other. Be aware that Pylontech uses a 15s battery design, not 16s as all other batteries.
I like this kindly end and your nice clothing competing against our santa claas. And I want to admit that you had won ! 14:29 - some have an aquarim, some have a terrarium and you must have a battarium to close I guess.
I'm a novice by any solar nerds assessment but no stranger to electronics. I'll be starting to order battery and solar equipment in just a few weeks and hoping that JK gets all of their bugs ironed out through your diligent work before I get there. With any luck I will be able to get a connection between the BMS(s) and the EG4 equipment I plan to be using. Happy New Year my friend. Stay cool down there this summer/winter? So confusing that wonderous place on the bottom side of the planet. :)
Happy New Year. Yeah, still working with JK to get the bugs out. It will be a bit of a journey, I guess... Can the EG4 use the Pylontech protocol? If yes, it should work with the new JK BMS.
Yeah when I saw the driver list in the JK on your vid I dug into the EG4 and found what appeared to be different flavors of Pylon? I'm not sure of that. Communication drivers are always a joy trying to get all this junk to play nice with each other. Happy New Year Bud! I sure do appreciate you sharing you hard work and experience!
Greeting from rainy and cold Denmark - another great video to warm my sorry bones, thank you! :-) I’m struggling to connect two batteries, each having their own BMS, to my Victron system (One battery disappear when I upgrade my Cebro Venus from 2.xx to 3.yy). - Which Venus version are you running? Tempted to try a RPi4 with the double CAN board..
I use SimpBMS and BMW i3 battery packs. We've upgraded the batteries in our BMW i3's and I have rebuild the old 60Ah/22kWh packs to 12S8P and equiped each pack with a master BMS, which uses the OEM slave BMS modules on the battery modules. The SimpBMS supports Victron CAN connections. Unfortunatly I need two SimpBMS's, one for each pack, and they provide the same CAN ID - hence the newer Venus mixes them up, just like in your video from about a year ago.. I'd prefer to run the Cebro rather than a Pi, but I also like to run updated software..
Andy, I've got my JK BMS connected to my RSP4b running VenusOS thanks to your earlier video but now I'm trying to connect my PowMr AIO hybrid inverter via can H-L to the non insulated CAN hat you had on before you swapped to the double can and while I can see Error-Active in the network state with packets rx and tx it doesn't pop up as an inverter on the main page. Do you know the command to debug this so I can see the data coming in from the can hat ? Any idea why my VenusOS wouldn't automatically detect it?
Wenn man jetzt über das zweiten Anschluss die Multis anschliesen könnte wäre das sehr praktisch aber glaube das geht ja nicht weil unterschiedliche Protokolle? Ansonsten wieder ein super tolles Video, gerne mehr davon. 😄
Multiplus is VE.Bus and a Victron proprietary protocol. The BMS uses the normal CAN protocol. The MP needs a MK3 adapter to talk to the Raspberry Pi running Venus OS.
Hey Andy, grüße aus dem verstürmten Deutschland. Es gibt übrigens auch USB-CAN Adapter die Plug and Play mit Venus OS funktionieren, sogar gleich isoliert. Hat mich jetzt 30 Deutsche Euros so ein Ding gekostet aber läuft und das alles "ohne Aufwand" abgesehen vom USB Kabel einstecken. "DSD TECH SH-C30G Isolierter USB-CAN-Adapter basierend auf Canable" so heißt der Adapter bei Amazon. Kann ich nur empfehlen.
I wonder why inverter and bms engineer. Doesn't give alternative connection over wireless network like wifi or bluetooth. Will be a lot easier to setup and don't need to worry about isolation and buying addition hard wares.
I started with the double CAN board from the start when I watched the first setup and I ordered my "Peter" boards. But I did not have the proper config lines, thanks for that. My boards should be here in a few days and I can hardly wait. I got the new JK Inverter BMS working now talking to the Growatt inverter and that works great. That uses the RS485 port. Can we also use the CAN port to talk to the Raspberry PI in parallel with the "Peter" boards? On the PI Mount, I used a din rail Semi-Enclosed Enclosure Kit, Amazon number B08PZCC562 and Din C45 Rail Adapters number B0787WX58B. Works like a champ. I had posted a comment yesterday, however some moderator in their great wisdom killed it. I think it was the # symbol with a number after it they did not like.
Thanks for your question. The new JK BMS can be connected to the Pi via CAN port of the BMS and the adapter cable which has the correct pin order. Not sure if you can use the RS485 to your inverter at the same time. Usually, only one port can be used.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Update: The RS485 has it's protocol to talk to the Growatt and the CAN is set to talk to the CAN hat on the Raspberry Pi . I have the RS485 cable connected to the Growatt and it sees the SOC just fine. I have the CAN cable connected to the CAN 2 port on the CAN hat on the Pi. I have the Peter board connected to CAN 1 on the CAN hat. With battery 1, I can see all the data from the "Peter" board. With battery 2, I just see basic voltage and SOC data. I am having issues with DVCC if I turn it on though. My MPPT charge controllers stop charging. I am missing someting.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia RS 485 to inverter at the same time as CAN to the PI works fine. It allows you to set different protocol on each. I just have naming issues on the Victron page, it shows both batteries with the same name though they are named different.
Have you ever tried running with no bms???Cuz I've been doing it for 10 years now and have had no problems you should make a video about that!......lol. Cuz allllll this stuff is a big fat gimmick unless you start with crappy cells or salvage cells
really, doesn't such thing depend on how often you would need these special rights ? We are not talking about a firmware update afaik but a special configuration for andi . I am not sure in which world you are living but usually the manufacturers of all such devices like central heatings, big acs and solar power are simply protecting their products and allow only installers to work on them with installer codes. That is a usual business practice in the western world at least. Happens also for inverters where you can not change major things without such code your installer might give you or rather not. This would not be a reason for me to go for a bms and for sure not for a Dali which is upgrading and communicating with inverters how ? Have not heard about that and active balancing with up to 4 A is also not the best, but I know a friend who had lost 2 Dali which needed to be replaced due to faulty or poor soldering and low quality control which meant for him that 25% of his 8 Dali for 8 batteries did not work. Quite a lot. But dali might have improved since 2020 and the first covid year, but they had lost his as their customer due to all the troubles and laziness. He had to use paypal to get the situation solved and later sold all dali after the third suffered a similiar issue with poor soldering cause he did not want to deal with the missing soldering quality every few months or so and went for SEPLOS and JK each supplying 4 batteries and 60 kWh.
My old style JK BMS forgot it's password, it was a nightmare getting a code that only worked for 30 minutes. What they fail to realise is the whole world doesn't run on Chinese time, so it was either the middle of the night hear in the UK when they were in their offoce, or I had to be at work, why they couldn't build a reset switch or jumper into the BMS I don't know!
@@typxxilps If I bought the thing I want and need full control. Anything less is a rip off. What happens if they go belly up? Also...it's not their products if I bought and paid for it. It is mine. Everything you say just underscores the reasons why not to buy from manufacturers the use that type of idiotic system administration. None of my products have such solutions, and no product with such solutions or hindrance will enter my homes or systems.
Hi Andy as someone who is totally dependant on my 2 x 8s 280A batteries for all my power needs (as i am offgrid after my main house on my farm burned down okt last year) i just wanted to thank you for all the videos, they have helped answer my questions and make sure i have a system that is better then i would have figured out myself... but located in Denmark i can assure you that our winter weather is for looooooong periods not much more than 0.1-0.3kwh daly on a 2500 pv array ...
måske du skulle prøve med en lille vindmølle. men de giver nok ikke meget strøm :(
hej jeg har et par møller en af de bedre ældre 12v 400w som jeg havde oppe i en del år før huset brændte , planen er at sætte den op midlertidigt her den 2 jan , udover det har jeg også en istabreeze i1500 w en af de få møller der levere den ratede strømmængde , og til at holde strømmen indtil da har jeg kørt nogle gamle millitær generatore en 12/24v 500w ,og en 3,5kw diesel og det hjælper at jeg kun bruger under 1 kw i døgnet
Thank you for your feedback and very sorry to hear about your house!
Would wind power work better for you in winter? If you're not far from the coast, it might be worth looking into it?
@@OffGridGarageAustralia hi yes I am located on a small island Bornholm in the Baltic sea and I have a istabreeze i1500 w turbine it is however a pain to raise such a fairly big unit alot of strengthening of the barn to were is is gonna be mounted to had to be done. And it should be up in early spring. This weekend we are raising a old 12v 400w turbine I had kicking around. That should save me from running my genny so much. My power needs are tiny in winter 1 to 1. 7 kwh per day is enough.. And thanks for your answer. Enjoy the sun..
@@kimmogensen5390 you should start a RUclips channel. I would love to see how it all comes together.
Ironic that Google only thought to show me this video in my feed this morning...yesterday the weather here was crazy as well and in fact, unlike your start to your video, yesterday afternoon it actually got so dark at 4pm in the afternoon that all the victron's shut off and it stayed that way for a few hours! I was generating more power at 8PM than I was at 4PM. Hope your holidays are relaxing and not stressed, enjoy and thanks for sharing such valuable knowledge :)
I have this sometimes too. It starts a new day on the house inverter after the thick clouds disappeared again.
Andy, so as i said month ago...always use isolated Interfaces. Never ever different. I'm in the Industrial Automation where every Interface MUST be isolated.
BTW: greetings from the Digital Meermeid.
Thanks Mike. Sometimes there is no solution for isolated data connections and you can only use what you get on the market.
Do not forget to connect the GND line, especially on an isolated CAN interface board, otherwise you might run into the same problems as before from floating potentials damaging your IO stages. Differential signaling does not mean GND free signaling. Pull your isolated GND plane of the IO board to a known potential. I had enough problems of this kind to solve as an hardware development engineer in industrial metering industries.
I was commenting the same when I saw the two wire.
Usually it works on on isolated stages since the GND potential will be defined since most transceiver ICs have protection diodes which will pull the GND potential to the lowest pin and the current required to do so is tiny. Sometimes there is even a external resistor network that usually bias the CAN_H and CAN_L lines to a reference point of the transceiver but would probably also create a defined GND potential from the incoming signal if it weren't connected. (It's far from ideal but it usually works when capacitance to the non-isolated power rails is low enough)
Since the previous CAN hat however wasn't isolated this won't work. In an ideal case the current will be low the diodes will use the CAN_L line as a sort of ground, but even in this case while there won't be any damage due all benefits of the differential signal are lost and noise will interfere with communication. In the worst case as you mentioned it will damage IO stages.
PS: In the last video about the CAN Hat at the end he actually said "You most likely don't need ground". Which is of course a wrong assumption to make.
I think people mix "quasi/semi-differential" (like CAN, RS485, etc.) with real differential signaling like in Ethernet (where the reference is decoupled via magnetics/transformers).
@@Ether_Void well explained, thank you 🙂!!
We engineers have already built in a lot of safety nets so that the shit works well even under adverse conditions 😎.
Hopefully noone takes those technical safety nets as a valid excuse to leave the GND connection open, just because it might work. Modern people are always so careless because all the modern safety nets always catch them when they fall off the thightrope. Then they use a lawyer to sue anyone who didnt tell them that you can hurt yourself when you fall off the tightrope.
No ground connection on either side and it seems to work without issues since the installation. I'll keep this in mind if I run into issues.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia As mentioned (in my rather convoluted and long comment) this is somewhat expected when the driver is isolated since the bias circuit and/or protection diodes of the driver take care of that.
But I still think the issues with the previous CAN-Hat that wasn't isolated came from a missing ground connection so it depends on too many other factors if the CAN signals are in a voltage range that the driver can still detect.
Thanks!
Thank you very much, Sree!
Peace to the whole community and from there to the whole world.
I fully support that.
Peace to you as well, Andy.
My JK blew up after 3 months, not happy won't buy again. My system was working well under rated JK bmb figures.
Thank you for all nice videos!
And no further to do😉, I wish you and your loved ones a merry Christmas and a happy new year!
Thank you and Happy New Year
It should be known as the double insulated Peter hat board. Peace to you Andy, and thank you for a year of information and entertainment. Best to you and your family.
Happy New Year my friend and this is a good naming suggestion 😄
Sometimes those green connectors will not have connectivity between the screw and the contact unless the screw is tightened down.
Yep, it's a clamp mechanism...
Merry Christmas Andy and family
Wie immer, sehr informativ und kurzweilig. Danke Namesvetter (Andreas aka Andy) und ruhige und besinnliche Feiertage und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr.
Happy New Year
Hi Andy! The manufacturer of the charge controller (Not Victron) says that I cannot connect two similar charge controllers in parallel so that they receive power from the same wire that comes from the solar panels, but I can connect them both in parallel to charge the same battery, as long as both controllers get their own power from different circuits. But: No one has yet explained to me why they must not be sharing the same circuit, although I have asked the experts.
This idea came about because I already have a charge controller, the capacity of which may not be enough for the power produced by the current panel when the sun is shining on a cloudless, frosty day in winter and when there is snow on the ground everywhere reflecting the extra sunlight. The charge controller manufacturer said that the controller is damaged by too much current from the panels, in addition to only being able to withstand a certain voltage.
So I originally thought that by getting another similar charge controller I would fix it: One pair of wires from the solar panels 60 meters away - I share it for both charge controllers to the "PV" terminal and take power from them by connecting both "BATTERY" terminals and take them to the battery via a suitable fuse.
I wouldn't want to uselessly divide the panels into two circuits and then spend money on two wires (+/-) (+/-), because even one pair can withstand the current coming from the panels.
Maybe You Andy will check out this issue... Thank you!
You can connect as many solar charge controllers to your battery as you like. Each solar charge controller needs its own separate array of solar panels.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia That's exactly how it's been told to me.
But WHY does each mppt controller need its own array of panels?
@@MR-ub6sq It's in the name MPPT - Maximum Power Point Tracking. The controller drives the panels at their max power point depending on light conditions. Another controller at the same panels would interfere with the first controller and they start fighting.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Thank you Andy. You have the opportunity to test the nature of this "fight" because you have multiple Victrons of the same type. Connect two Victrons in parallel to "fight" for power from the same panel array. Do it and we can learn what it's really like! When I ask Victron's European headquarters, they pass my question to the importer, who can't explain it...
Since I'm not very good at English (I use google translator all the time) I don't really know how the MPPT controller "drives" the panels - as you wrote.
My sense says that the panels do what they do regardless of the controller, but the controller makes the current coming from the panels as large as possible, lowering the charging voltage suitable for the battery.
My imagination says that I want to have a charge controller that always drives the panels directly towards the sun :)
Yes, correct, each controller needs its own panels. They cannot be shared.
Merry Xmas Andy. 🎄
Have you tried using a USB to CAN adapter instead of a HAT.
Many cases don't handle the hats but the USB adapters are an alternative that can do the job as well. Pi-Hut UK sells them for £15.42
Could work as well, I just don't have any USB ports free on the Pi and the USB hub atm. Not sure what drivers they need or if they need any special setup.
I don't have any free USB ports at the Pi and USB hub. Never heard of anyone using such an adapter, so not sure what drivers or scripting it would need...
I'm using the original "non-isolated" CAN adapter with Victron RS6000 over the year without any single issue. Don't think the fail is in CAN adapter if it works with everything else except one device. But well, if that change helps 🙂 Have a beautiful christmas and happy new year!
Yeah, not sure either. It seems to work for a day or two and trips out by then. Someone here suggested a missing ground cable. Might be worth trying...
Liquid sunshine ☀️
Happy Festivus
Same to you, Happy New Year!
So just got this all configured, well to the point I can see the two can port's 0 and 1, TX and RX's incrementing. Same Pi CAN Hat. The question is, why no JK-BMS in my device list? Is that what the Peter board buys me? Or am I just missing something? And boy has the install of this changed, since you recorded this. Thanks all!
I figured it out, I didn't have CAN Protocol No.: set to Victron in JK-BMS-MONITOR. I guess that's what sleep is for :) Thanks Andy, it's been such a fun ride!
I noticed when I was checking my Victron device list and that they are different viewing on my iPhone as opposed to an android device. The iPhone doesn’t show the lynx shunt but the android device is showing the lynx shunt. Just doesn’t make sense that the devices are working opposite of each other different interface.
Does the VRM match with the Apple or Android phone?
Yes, the system interface is very buggy sometimes is works the remote console is consistent on the android device.
Merry Christmas my friend
I have a tip for you Andy, don't use double side tape or velcro, use 3M's Picture hanging strips. I use them for remotes and controllers etc they are great no mess!! Hoo Hoo Merry Christmass Andy!
These Velcro strips are great as well. Until they get warm😄
I think it's the same for the photo strips as they use a hair dryer to remove them from the frame...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia In warm situations I would use a glue, like Araldite!
Frohe Weihnachten und danke für das tolle Video.
Happy New Year
Of course, the downside of changing the configuration before restarting the Pi is that if the new configuration happens to be wrong, it won't match _either_ hardware configuration you have at hand.
Good point!
So I have a 24 volt inverter and charges at a maximum voltage of 33 Volt Solar/Mains. I built a 9S LiFePo4 55Ah battery. Would a 8S battery be a better option? I am using a JK BMS BD6A20S10P
Not sure what you are trying to do...
Hello Andy, (from not so sunny England), kind of related to this video (CAN communication etc...), do you know if it is possible to parallel Seplos 10C BMS with Seplos v3.0 BMS? I see you have played with 10C & 10E and v3.0 on its own, but not together. I have a 10C and need another BMS quickly for a 2nd battery and the only one I can get quickly is the v3.0 (type B). Love the videos, keep up the good work.
That's definitely not possible. I have tried all combinations between V1, V2 and V3 of the Seplos BMS and V3 does not talk to anything else.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Thank you Andy. I have messaged Seplos and asked them to consider making them compatible in the future. If I want to expand my system and can’t get the older versions to match, I will need to buy many new BMS’s - great for their business but not my pocket. Could lead people to find more friendly alternatives.
@@keithhebard1728 You don't necessarily need communication between the batteries and BMS. They will work perfectly fine as standalone BMSes. Same as in my battery shelf.
You can call it CAndy-Board
Hi Andy, hope you had an enjoyable Christmas and wishing you a very happy 2024. Loosely related to the double can board, how would the Victron inverter / cerbo GX cope if 2 brands of BMS were connected via can to the cerbo. Currently have pylontech batteries but planning on adding more capacity and thinking of getting my own cells and separate bms to add to existing system?
Happy New Year!
That will most likely not work. You can only connect one BMS to the Cerbo/Pi. If you have several batteries with their own BMS each, they need to communicate all data to the master BMS which aggregates the data and sends it to the Cerbo. So, all BMS need to be the same brand and compatible to each other.
Be aware that Pylontech uses a 15s battery design, not 16s as all other batteries.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Happy New Year. Thank you for your reply, looks like i need to stick with Pylontech then, lesson learned
Hi Andy! And Merry Christmas too!🌲🎄✨🎉 And so Thank you for your all very interesting videos!👍😄
Thank you too!
Thank you. Happy New Year!
I like this kindly end and your nice clothing competing against our santa claas.
And I want to admit that you had won !
14:29 - some have an aquarim, some have a terrarium and you must have a battarium to close I guess.
A battarium. I like this!
How was the boat trip? Captain Andy!
It'll be on the other channel next Sunday night😉
Remember, Andy, only 363 shopping days until Christmas 🤶
Yes, it's not far off!😊
Frohe Weihnachten Andy, bzw. hast du hoffentlich gehabt
Alles durch. Happy New Year!
I'm a novice by any solar nerds assessment but no stranger to electronics. I'll be starting to order battery and solar equipment in just a few weeks and hoping that JK gets all of their bugs ironed out through your diligent work before I get there. With any luck I will be able to get a connection between the BMS(s) and the EG4 equipment I plan to be using.
Happy New Year my friend. Stay cool down there this summer/winter? So confusing that wonderous place on the bottom side of the planet. :)
Happy New Year. Yeah, still working with JK to get the bugs out. It will be a bit of a journey, I guess... Can the EG4 use the Pylontech protocol? If yes, it should work with the new JK BMS.
Yeah when I saw the driver list in the JK on your vid I dug into the EG4 and found what appeared to be different flavors of Pylon? I'm not sure of that. Communication drivers are always a joy trying to get all this junk to play nice with each other.
Happy New Year Bud!
I sure do appreciate you sharing you hard work and experience!
Greeting from rainy and cold Denmark - another great video to warm my sorry bones, thank you! :-) I’m struggling to connect two batteries, each having their own BMS, to my Victron system (One battery disappear when I upgrade my Cebro Venus from 2.xx to 3.yy). - Which Venus version are you running? Tempted to try a RPi4 with the double CAN board..
What batteries and BMS are you using. The Cerbo should be more reliable as a Pi with a CAN hat.
I use SimpBMS and BMW i3 battery packs. We've upgraded the batteries in our BMW i3's and I have rebuild the old 60Ah/22kWh packs to 12S8P and equiped each pack with a master BMS, which uses the OEM slave BMS modules on the battery modules.
The SimpBMS supports Victron CAN connections. Unfortunatly I need two SimpBMS's, one for each pack, and they provide the same CAN ID - hence the newer Venus mixes them up, just like in your video from about a year ago..
I'd prefer to run the Cebro rather than a Pi, but I also like to run updated software..
..now I ordered a CAN hat and some other goodies. Worst case, I guess, is to continue running the Cerbo and then run the one battery pack on a Pi :-(
Andy, I've got my JK BMS connected to my RSP4b running VenusOS thanks to your earlier video but now I'm trying to connect my PowMr AIO hybrid inverter via can H-L to the non insulated CAN hat you had on before you swapped to the double can and while I can see Error-Active in the network state with packets rx and tx it doesn't pop up as an inverter on the main page. Do you know the command to debug this so I can see the data coming in from the can hat ? Any idea why my VenusOS wouldn't automatically detect it?
I don't think this will work with an inverter. This is to connect to a BMS via CAN.
Merry xmas Andy
Same to you, Happy New Year!
Peter and Paul are both apostles..... So maybe "Paul" Board ? 😂🤣
That's like Andy, Andy2, Andy3, ... it gets confusing quickly😆
Andy I have a 200 amp jk BMS and it's on a 840 ah 24 volt battery. It's 3p8s. I'd like 2 more BMS but I don't know if they can be ran 3 in parallel
Do you want to split your parallel batteries?
Each battery needs its own BMS. Then you parallel the batteries again.
Hi Andy, did the thunderstorm hit you?
Which one, hahaha, we had like 10 or so in the last week. Yeah, we had some bad weather down here over Christmas.
@OffGridGarageAustralia a friend of mine lives near Brisbane. They head no electricity for about 5 days! Greetings aus dem Rheinland!
Wenn man jetzt über das zweiten Anschluss die Multis anschliesen könnte wäre das sehr praktisch aber glaube das geht ja nicht weil unterschiedliche Protokolle? Ansonsten wieder ein super tolles Video, gerne mehr davon. 😄
Multiplus is VE.Bus and a Victron proprietary protocol. The BMS uses the normal CAN protocol.
The MP needs a MK3 adapter to talk to the Raspberry Pi running Venus OS.
Hallo Andy,why you not use superglue for your velcro.I'm using it and it hold's very well on plastic surface.
How do you do this with a Cerbo instead of a raspberry pi?
You don't have to as the Cerbo has already a BMS-CAN port.
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For SSH you don't need Putty anymore - this is included in the Windows "Eingabeaufforderung"... Guten Rutsch!
I like Putty as I can save my favourites.
The Eingabeaufforderung can't do that, can it?😉
Is the antminer still running? I can hear static noice.
I had it off over Christmas when the family was here. It's on again💪
Heya, I still have to see if I need the peter board so I'll see. marry christmas.
Nobody needs one. It will run without the Peter board.
Double Insulated Can Hat, ITS A DICH !!
How do you pronounce that?😄
Pronounce it like a zee germans would :P
@@OffGridGarageAustralia
Since it has 2x CAN ports, call it the Can-can.
Great, love it!
Hey Andy, grüße aus dem verstürmten Deutschland. Es gibt übrigens auch USB-CAN Adapter die Plug and Play mit Venus OS funktionieren, sogar gleich isoliert.
Hat mich jetzt 30 Deutsche Euros so ein Ding gekostet aber läuft und das alles "ohne Aufwand" abgesehen vom USB Kabel einstecken. "DSD TECH SH-C30G Isolierter USB-CAN-Adapter basierend auf Canable" so heißt der Adapter bei Amazon. Kann ich nur empfehlen.
Thanks, I have ordered one.
I wonder why inverter and bms engineer. Doesn't give alternative connection over wireless network like wifi or bluetooth.
Will be a lot easier to setup and don't need to worry about isolation and buying addition hard wares.
Bluetooth is not reliable for such a critical device as a BMS. Wifi even less.
Call it "Andy CAN" board
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I started with the double CAN board from the start when I watched the first setup and I ordered my "Peter" boards. But I did not have the proper config lines, thanks for that. My boards should be here in a few days and I can hardly wait. I got the new JK Inverter BMS working now talking to the Growatt inverter and that works great. That uses the RS485 port. Can we also use the CAN port to talk to the Raspberry PI in parallel with the "Peter" boards?
On the PI Mount, I used a din rail Semi-Enclosed Enclosure Kit, Amazon number B08PZCC562 and Din C45 Rail Adapters number B0787WX58B. Works like a champ.
I had posted a comment yesterday, however some moderator in their great wisdom killed it. I think it was the # symbol with a number after it they did not like.
Thanks for your question. The new JK BMS can be connected to the Pi via CAN port of the BMS and the adapter cable which has the correct pin order. Not sure if you can use the RS485 to your inverter at the same time. Usually, only one port can be used.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Update: The RS485 has it's protocol to talk to the Growatt and the CAN is set to talk to the CAN hat on the Raspberry Pi . I have the RS485 cable connected to the Growatt and it sees the SOC just fine. I have the CAN cable connected to the CAN 2 port on the CAN hat on the Pi. I have the Peter board connected to CAN 1 on the CAN hat. With battery 1, I can see all the data from the "Peter" board. With battery 2, I just see basic voltage and SOC data. I am having issues with DVCC if I turn it on though. My MPPT charge controllers stop charging. I am missing someting.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia RS 485 to inverter at the same time as CAN to the PI works fine. It allows you to set different protocol on each. I just have naming issues on the Victron page, it shows both batteries with the same name though they are named different.
Call it Obama board. “Yes we CAN”
Double Obama.
Maybe call it the cand board for can double :-) Would be funny to say you can with the cand :-)
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This module produced by WAVESHARE
And linked on my website: off-grid-garage.com/bms-communication/
D)ouble I)nsulated C)AN H)at = DICH
I will leave the English pronunciation of the acronym to your imagination. 😁
Hahaha, great!
Hahaha, great!
Have you ever tried running with no bms???Cuz I've been doing it for 10 years now and have had no problems you should make a video about that!......lol. Cuz allllll this stuff is a big fat gimmick unless you start with crappy cells or salvage cells
Nobody should operate lithium batteries without a BMS!
Like# 68
It’s isolated, not insulated.
Yes, of course!
A system with a code that expires after 1 hour is enough to steer me away from that company. That puts Dali in the top again for BMS.
really, doesn't such thing depend on how often you would need these special rights ?
We are not talking about a firmware update afaik but a special configuration for andi .
I am not sure in which world you are living but usually the manufacturers of all such devices like central heatings, big acs and solar power are simply protecting their products and allow only installers to work on them with installer codes. That is a usual business practice in the western world at least.
Happens also for inverters where you can not change major things without such code your installer might give you or rather not.
This would not be a reason for me to go for a bms and for sure not for a Dali which is upgrading and communicating with inverters how ?
Have not heard about that and active balancing with up to 4 A is also not the best, but I know a friend who had lost 2 Dali which needed to be replaced due to faulty or poor soldering and low quality control which meant for him that 25% of his 8 Dali for 8 batteries did not work. Quite a lot. But dali might have improved since 2020 and the first covid year, but they had lost his as their customer due to all the troubles and laziness. He had to use paypal to get the situation solved and later sold all dali after the third suffered a similiar issue with poor soldering cause he did not want to deal with the missing soldering quality every few months or so and went for SEPLOS and JK each supplying 4 batteries and 60 kWh.
My old style JK BMS forgot it's password, it was a nightmare getting a code that only worked for 30 minutes. What they fail to realise is the whole world doesn't run on Chinese time, so it was either the middle of the night hear in the UK when they were in their offoce, or I had to be at work, why they couldn't build a reset switch or jumper into the BMS I don't know!
@@typxxilps If I bought the thing I want and need full control. Anything less is a rip off. What happens if they go belly up?
Also...it's not their products if I bought and paid for it. It is mine.
Everything you say just underscores the reasons why not to buy from manufacturers the use that type of idiotic system administration. None of my products have such solutions, and no product with such solutions or hindrance will enter my homes or systems.
I would not say Daly is my next choice after the JK-BMS😄
@@OffGridGarageAustralia What would your choice be?
Ampere not Amps ... André-Marie Ampère
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@@OffGridGarageAustralia We've 100 Ampere outside ... sooo schlimm hört sich das jetzt nicht an
Peter board, stealing others work for money. Will not watch the video, downvoted
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