I was going to go on with a long nostalgic post about Blizzard of old and Blizzard of now, but I lost heart halfway through. The bottom line is, Blizzard and many other companies across various industries for whatever reason, have decided to actively despise their core/traditional audiences. When you despise someone, you surely dont want to meet them face to face. They might love our money, but they mightily hate us. "Games made by gamers for gamers" died over a decade ago, and what remains amounts to little more than souless bean counters who see you as a potential "renter" and nothing more.
Could see it miles away for No Rest for the Wicked to get a mixed launch. It was pretty much marketed at a mix of classic ARPG and Souls. Well, all the classic ARPG fans expect gear to nullify all challenge in the end and souls fans expect to skill it through. It's a nice game though, just marketing was a bit of a miss.
I' ve played 60 hours of NRFTW so far and I'm just enjoying starting a new build after maxing one, gathering stuff, etc. Already 6 big hotfixes after 1 week is crazy. Love the game :)
They wouldn't even have the D4 expansion to show off. We're getting a deep dive into it in the summer, and it will potentially be released before normal Blizzcon times. The next WoW expansion will already be released too, so unless they had some hidden game to announce, it will just be a couple new seasons for various games.
I like No Rest for the Wicked, but it's definitely NOT an arpg. It's like 10% arpg, 10% survival game and 80% souls-like. I've been having a lot of fun though, but IMHO the current main issue of the game is performances; the game is currently more demanding at 1080p lowest setting (performance) than Cyberpunk 2077 at medium-high settings. I'm playing at 1080p performance setting on a 5950X & RTX 3080, and it's BARELY playable, with crazy stutters and very wildly varying and low framerate. My second gripe would be that the game is pretty unresponsive and clunky. One of the main reason of that might be solved by button remapping if they do it right, because "hold" buttons to trigger differents actions inherently add some delay (duh). The fact that run and roll are tied together completely baffle me and makes combat feels more unresponsive than it needs to be.
What's the definition of a APRG? You can't just add or remove definitions because a game don't feel "right". From what I see on the wiki, the game certainly qualify.
I don't think Microsoft is really into hosting video game conventions. I don't recall them ever hosting a convention for Halo or any other big game directly under their umbrella.
11:15 thats exactly what good Soulslikes do. Even normal enemies are challenging (at least at first), until you figure them out. About the blizzcon thing - honestly the BlizzCon Spirit died when they started milking us, their loyal fans. It became cynical at that point and it was noticeable. Esp. on the years they had no real news. Yes, a company is supposed to make money but they could have wined and dined us first, like in the "old days" of Blizzcon. The last like 8 or 10 years were mainly "give us money" first and hollow talk about being a family and stuff like that. And that doesnt work at some point. Yes it might just be that we, (former) Blizzard Fans needed to grow up, granted.
It's less like milking and more like what the Fremen do to the Harkonnens in the latest Dune film. Or a spider does after it's liquified your internal organs.
a Diablo series that is a prequel that leads into and plays out the events of Diablo 1 could be really interesting. Basically a dark themed series building up the lore of westmarch and tristram, show the founding of tristam and then through the events of the darkening and tristram and fleshing out the events of Diablo 1. The story with Aidan, blood raven, the vizjeirei summoner, and deckard cain.
did rhykker change the title and thumbnail after uploading it? i could have sworn a couple hours ago that it said something about blizzcon being canceled.
I get it that Blizzcon would be kind of boring and pointless event when they have nothing to announce for this year. I get that. But still, the way I see it Blizzcon is not just a forum where you announce your new upcoming games. It's much, much more than that. It's an event where you can meet up and exchange words with their most loyal fans. It's basically an event where you can celebrate your games together with your community. Blizzard skipping Blizzcon just sends me the message that the higherups at Blizzard don't really care about their community, because having celebration event with them would only cost them their precious money. But then again, what do I care. Blizzard has degenerated so much over the past decade, that it's hard for me to get excited about anything that they do anymore. Modern day Blizzard is just a big 'L' factory to me, as everything that they touch seems to turn into shit these days. They went from "Midas touch" into "Mierdas touch".
In wicked we’re not getting loot that’s very interesting to chase. But that makes sense because we’re only in Act 1. Act 1 in Diablo doesn’t drop very interesting stuff either, outside of some early set items (which might be added to wicked later too)
D4 cosmetic shop is a mess, and it's not just a cost issue, though that's a massive issue. You have no idea what is available because it rotates, and some sets have three parts, but knowing this is nearly impossible.
Regarding Wicked and the question of it being an ARPG or a Soulslike I think it really depends on what people value in either genre. Some, like Rhykker, will value rng loot hunting as a core element of ARPGs, but others, like me, will say the combat is a crucial element. And because of the Wicked is not an ARPG either Soulslike combat but rather a Soulslike game with ARPG gear systems. And while pedantic, that distinction matters a lot to me, as Darksouls games don’t interest me much. If ARPGs need to evolve into something new, I’d love to see a game take notes from movement shooters, with combat being a series of well executed moves that build up momentum and power, building you up to the speed we known in current ARPGs, rather than the slower reactive combat of a Soulslike
Lost ark has way better combat tbh then no rest for the wicked. Faster flashier gameplay; even more strategy for raid bosses; combos counters stagger and far superior combat
As someone who likes both gernes of games and have wanted something like this for a while, I find that it really is a misnomer to categorize it as either gerne with elements from the other. It really is a middle ground where design decisions fall into 1 of 3 buckets largely: Uses soulslike conventions, uses ARPG conventions, fuses conventions. Combat is animation and stamina driven like souls games. leveling uses more souls like stats and gear often resembles more souls like gear. Checkpoints are more a fused convention of bonfires/waypoints/townportals that honesty feels really awful. death drops weapon durability which is more ARPG. no exp loss on death is ARPG. Enemies don't respawn on death is ARPG. Random loot is ARPG. Crafting and altering weapons is ARPG. enviromental hazards is more souls like. unlimited potions (food) that can be prepared/bought on the fly is ARPG. Harvesting resources is more survival than either gerne but due to the crafting systems in ARPGs I'd say leans more ARPG. Money being separate from exp is more ARPG. Daily quests are more ARPG. I'm sure there is a lot more I could divide out here if I thought about it, but the point is the designs don't particularly align very well with either genre's standard conventions. For this to be a proper soulslike I think some of the following would need to change in most souls players eyes: food is replaced with a flask that replenishes on resting at a checkpoint, non-elite/boss enemies respawn on resting at a checkpoint, dying drops all experience towards the next level and/or money which can be recovered at the location of death and is lost permanently if the player dies again before recovering, leveling can only be done at checkpoints. I'm not saying these changes should be made but the deviation from these conventions in favor of more ARPG conventions make the game feel very different and not like a soulslike. More like it borrowed ideas from souls games but went and made its own thing.
when do we tell them that a "Souls like" is mostly an Action game with a focus of RPG progressing (leveling your character, exploring environments, and powering up through equipment and skills)... Oh they mean aRPG where "I push button and hundreds to thousands of enemies die in colorful flashes" of, sorry moving along.
The last 14 years of the blizzard were really sad. An event of that size was shameful for such mediocre things and with a total lack of respect for the PC community. We saw blizzard presenters mocking the community....they really deserve to lose their jobs.
No Rest For The Wicked is amazing, glad I took the plunge on it despite some negative reviews. Yes it has a way to go in terms of resource management, inventory management, etc but that's an easy fix. Intrigied to see how multiplayer goes.
Helldiver devs ARE KILLING IT. Imagine that your player base finds a "technical" work around for your event and instead of being told "no that's not how it works" they hit you with a "good job you got it". I have not played and I do not intend to play Helldivers (it's just not for me) I wish ALL of the success for them! It makes me so happy seeing what could be with people that care about the product that they are putting out and not just looking at numbers for profit.
Didn’t the ceo basically just say piss off to players though about a recent nerf to parts of the game? Doesnt really sound like they’re killing it to me.
@@Not____Applicable Depends how you look at it! Remember when Blizzard said "get a phone to play the new diablo game, you scrub!"? It's like that but better from the HD2 devs.
I think dark souls games have a good solution to the builds/stats problem, they added initial classes, it makes the player to be able to have some sort of decission on what to go for since the beginning but had the freedom to change it later. One thing I like even less than this problem is the amount of weapons this game has using weird stats like having dex/int two handed hammers, i guess they were trying to give thr player the option to try different playstyles even if they were stat-locked into a build and not being able to respec, but this frame for me beats the whole idea of having a stat system, if u can end up playing with any weapon class having any stat then why having different stats at all
They could host a blizzcon as an esport and cosplay event. Explicitly announcing that there wouldn’t be stages with games announcement or anything like that
(Blizzcon) makes you wonder how much say Microsoft had a hand in it, not a good idea to start producing negative numbers with a new boss looking over your shoulder, you might be just asking for a pink slip. As for Fallout 4, You know it bad when Developers say "this ultra wide screen is just a fad, we will just stick with 1920X1080. We already know players will have to use console commands to get pass the bugs, how much of a stretch is it for them to change the .ini files!" It took them 10 years to make 3440X1440 resolution when it should have been implemented on release in 2015 and they have no plans to fix any of the bugs.
HI @Rhykker... sorry to bug you. I've been noticing a very subtle buzz in the sound, nothing terrible, but maybe worth renewing the XLR cable. Anyway love the content and have been listening to you since Diablo 3 🙌🏼
I have spent 50 hours in 'No Rest for the Wicked.' It is a great, fun game. I love the challenging combat; you can't just run around and one-shot everything
You can with proper builds. I recommend throw weapon rune on cursed claymore - it kills most of the mobs in 1-2 hits and heals you while you can charge focus at the same time. The only requirement is to take as many claymores as you can buy at Fillmore to enchanter, buy one hunter axe to extract rune, and put it on a cursed claymore that has both health and focus on hit, or alternatively, just focus on hit and use a ring with health on hit. What I like about this game is that it is souls-like if you do not know how to make strong builds, but it gets closer to diablo-like ARPG once you solve items. It gives less skilled players a chance to enjoy content.
@@AirLineASMR The highest damage per shot is white yewn longbow and its cone shot, bought at Whittaker. Use any one-handed weapon with health and focus on hit that you can use, like a blood-rusted sword you can buy to enable build. Have about 300 focus, and you can put additional focus gems on both weapons and armor. It is the closest you can get to 1 shot as of now.
At least for a phylosophical point of view, arpgs have you fight a lot of enemies so that you can counter the randomized nature of loot. Souls like value more one on one combat, so all the randomization might not work. Maybe the game can still work, but the loot hunt tranfering to crafting centered gearing. Or maybe those two genres arent really all appart.
this doesn't sound like a "philosophical" ambiguity or disjoint but rather an "etymology" (similar to the Rogue-like/Rogue-Lite situation) where "ARPG" at its core is about an action game with a RPG style progressing where "Souls games" have a high focus on moment to moment Action while allowing the player to build their character with RPG systems through level up decisions, exploration path, and weapons/gear. It was Diablo that tried to pigeon hole the achronym to be "loot first" as a gateway to killing dozens, hundreds, or thousands of enemies in flashes of pretty colors which can be traced to Diablo 1 Sorceress, and many end game builds in Diablo 2, but most people try to credit to Diablo 3 while even Path of Exile and many "modern Diablo Style ARPGs" perpetuate "I click button and kill hundreds of things in a flash of colors". No Rest for the Whicked like Dark Siders 2, and Nioh tries to incorporate a higher focus on Itemization and Gearing, but apparently because they have a "specific camera style" now it is being compared to Diablo. If you give an over the shoulder camera to Diablo 2 does it fundamentally change it from being an ARPG?
I recently started reading all of the Diablo books, comics, game manuals, ebooks, and short stories. Just finished Legacy of Blood and doing Lord of Destruction and Tales of Sanctuary next. So far everything I've read would be great as a TV show, but I think the Sin War trilogy makes the most sense. It'd be pretty cheap to produce for the first season, and then if it does well they could up the funding for season two and three (I'd just do three seasons, one per book) which would be needed because of the crazy (and awesome) shit that happens in those books. The biblical-like characters and plot (son of god sacrifices himself for the human race, hello) that will resonate with most western audiences and the tie-in with Lilith and Inarius and the Diablo 4 story seems to make it an obvious choice to me. Market it as the "prequel" to the Diablo 4 story and it would definitely sell even more units of D4. just my thoughts. also the Sin War trilogy was great and I recommend everyone check it out. Super easy to get through in a week or two. Legacy of Blood not quite as good but still fun story about Bartuc/Horazon, with a heavy D2 influence. Could easily run that one as a mini series just for funsies.
Beta D4 was actually so much better, where we had a great middle point between d3 and wicked. "A new take on the Diablo franchise" was scrapped because the the feedback instead of sticking to the vision the devs had.... We actually had to play and think. Now its right back down to zoom zoom rushing through dungeons and finishing à season in 2 weeks. Long live wicked, and i HOPE that they stick to their vision, and not change because of shit feedback.
I played D4 alpha and beta, what do you mean? Do you mean the difficulty because neither was very hard. S4 fixes difficulty for the most part. Most people won't be able to do a Lvl 200 Pit / Lvl 200 Uber boss.
@@booksnbooze7796 no. I mean actual game play. It was way more methodical, we actually had to use the dodge roll. It was slower paced, and less loot dropped. I had way more fun in beta than vanilla launch. And it just got worst with time. D4 became d3 v2.0 with the same gameplay loop on different maps. Greater rifts are back... so d3 is back. Rush through dungeons, and no story or any content. Reach max lvl 100 in a few days. Its boring now.
@@kerst4738 so you mean, it wasn't Diablo? And still isn't Diablo? You should be playing Wicked because it sounds like what you want, and Diablo 5 should be like Diablo 1-3 and have back all the proper features.
No. It was diablo. It was actually really fun. The fighting wasnt souls like, but it was more important to dodge, to learn patterns. Now, we are right back to D3. Either we 1-shot kill everything, or we get 1-shot. Or we have so much défense that we just absorb all dmg and wait while the bosses life goes down. Early D4 was better. It still had a Diablo feel. Great maps. Fun combat, just.... slower. Things have been changing non stop for the worst. Adding teleports to dungeons was a mistake. It made things just like greater rifts. Changing events to save à couple seconds left and right made this go right back down to d3 ultra speed running through content. To me, that sucks. We went from D1 to D2, much changed for the best. From D2 to D3, everything was changed positive and négatives came out from all that. D3 to D4 was a way to come back closer to D2. Slower game, more farming, and.... we lost it all. As i said, D4 is now D3 v2.0. Because all that brought innovation or changes were taken out or adapted to please the "majority" which was in fact, just the louder group. I will still play D4 once season 4 comes around... or maybe the first DLC. But i am definitly playing wicked and last epoch instead while i wait. D4 has some of the best lore in gaming out there. But 11 years of D3 was enough. I wanted a new game, new mechanics, new vibes. Not just a reskin, with visual updates and the same boring grind loop all over again. What was the point of à huge open world map if we dont use it because we teleport from dungeon to dungeon to max exp gain? So many things are gone that made D4 its own new thing. Its à shame. Its just my opinion. But i also know im not alone thinking this way.
My suggestion for trying weapons in NRFTG: Items that give high stat increase but nothing else. So you can keep them and try certain weapons earlier and then instead exchange the item that gave you the skill in the first place.
The inventory management is not great. Takes way too long to run all this stuff around. To farm it, then use it, then realize you need something from your storage, go get it, do your upgrade, then run everything back to storage. You do this every time you go back to town. Having said that gripe, I am growing really fond of this title. Combat made me rage quit early on, but after you get some upgrades going, it gets way better. Im having a blast. Oh and all the patches in a week is awesome!! Way to go devs!
I would like, just once, to get a game with a lot of inventory management, that has systems to make it tolerable or even enjoyable. Looter shooters and ARPGs still haven't managed it. Borderlands players are still gimped by a system designed for whatever you call people who use consoles without a mouse and keyboard and are inevitably going to *have* to suffer to get it done and it's been one of the biggest complaints about the games since the first one. *shrugs* I feel like you could clone pretty much any of those games, just give it satisfying looting and inventory setup, and you'd have a massive hit.
The first time I had a rewarding experience playing a Souls-like was with Elden Ring. The dungeon system, the saves and how fast you can get back to where you were after dying were the main qualities that set it apart from DS and Bloodborne, which I've tried before but never ever considered playing for real. Haven't tried NRFTW yet, but I'm still hoping it never, ever becomes the template for ARPGs as is being suggested. It would make the genre awfully stale.
Personally, the main draw for souls games is the tailored quality experience, everything is thematic and connected, including the loot, and rng would just ruin the whole feel. While in arpg it sort of fits cause of endless loot pianiatas.
No Rest for the Wicked looks interesting, but I don't love the system of random loot combined with animation-based, moveset combat. Like finding a "better" weapon that's completely different and not suited to my play style. It's what turned me off to Nioh. I hope they find a good balance.
The “physical experience” blizzcon with almost no panels looked like trash and I’m glad I ended up selling my tickets last second 🤷♂️ I know I would have been so disappointed in person if I’d gone. I went like 5 years in a row before Covid ended the streak and they were pretty great but blizzcon felt more and more like another way for them to just earn money and drain their fans of their hard earned cash.
My problem with No Rest For The Wicked is it was never presented as a soulslike. Not once did they ever call it that that I am aware of. I asked multiple times on X and the Steam forums if the game would have multiple difficulties with no answer. The day the game came out I broke down and asked fellow players on Steam and one of them told me it had multiple difficulties, so I bought it through their RUclips affiliates program and got an extra 5 bucks off, which sadly means no refund for a mis advertised game. Now on to my reason why the games need multiple difficulties. I have eye sight issues. A stigmatism in my right eye and diabetic retinopathy in my left eye, I have what are called floaters that can blur or obscure my vision. I can't read animations that well which make parrying, blocking, and properly dodging much harder to do. This leads to frustration that can't be overcome. The older I get the worse my vision will be. I have made recommendations on the Steam forums and X with no response from the developers. Suggestions like adding an Arkham style UI element that tells you when to block and or parry. Or better readability to when an attack must be dodged. You know accessibility options. At the very least they could do is offer refunds for the game to those who bought it directly from them. ARPGs are one of my favorite genres hope Blizzard, Grinding Gear, Crate Entertainment, and other ARPG devs don't go down this route. ARPG have been one of the most accessible games ever made. I would hate to see some of my favorite games be turned into soulslikes. Hell I'm still waiting for someone to make a turn based looter strategy tactical rpg with the production values of Blizzard, GGG, or Crate Entertainment.
@@brev5003 I didn't like Lost Ark. I really like the world design and art of No Rest For The Wicked, just wish the devs would make some concessions for accessibility.
@@juggernautxx I think this would be really bad for video games in general and lemme explain why, if concessions have to be made to make the devs vision acceptable to you, isn't that just saying that you think your vision is more important? what about those of us who can play the game? why are you more important than us? if you can complete the game you can just scoff at anybody else and say "im just as good as you". this devalues everyone else achievements if the standards is lowered intentionally for the minority. you need to live within your means. if you physically cannot keep up with the combat then you need to start playing games that are more suitable for your needs, and not force everyone else to change just for you. thats unfair. Your frustration is coming from a place of inadequacy and i understand this, but you need to understand that there are games made for you, but this is just not one of them. he who wants concession should first compromise.
@@Anotherhumanbean12345 Bullcrap. Having multiple difficulties effects no one. It allows all players to enjoy the game. I'm so sick and tired of BS excuses like this just to hoard a game for the exclusive few who want to have a hill they can stand on and laugh at all the folks who can't make it up the hill. It reeks of elitism.
NRFTW is 90% a soulslike game and 10% an ARPG. For me its basically an isometric soulslike rpg. And thats ok. I think what Ibarra said is not true at all. ARPGs dont have to evolve into soulslikes to stay relevant. The core philosophy of an ARPG is that it is mindless hack and slash of many monsters, not methodical slow stuff. I actually think that Diablo 4 is the correct evolution of ARPGs, that is have a big open world with random events and procedurally generated dungeons. They just need to get now the content right because the base is good.
I absolutely love the game i do agree with inventory resource management complains though. I also dont understand why rebeuilding the town is time gated if you have all resources availble in your inventory you shouldnt have to wait 3 or 4 hours for the effect to set in.
A lot of games fall into the category ARPG Action Roleplaying Game, that is what it means. Most MMO's fit into that category, we just choose to put them into the MMO category and a lot of games in this category aren't even massive :/ The souls games are also ARPG's, souls like is a term that came later for one certain mechanic, the bonfire. Games can have multiple categories they fit into, just like some music can. This is an isometric souls like ARPG with survival elements.
When a Dev makes respeccing expensive and/or rare, I don't want to play that game. The way I play in the beginning of the game, is not the way I play at the end of the game. If a game makes me feel as though I've wasted talent/skill/ability points by making respeccing hard or expensive to the point that I feel the easiest way to do that is to make a new character and start from the beginning then I'm done with that game and system.
Vikings: Wolves of Midgard did the whole "slow ARPG" thing years ago, not as hard as a true souls-like but with a focus on move sets in combat and the such. Doing an isometric souls-like but not so difficult has been done. It bombed, sadly (I loved it). Warhammer Inquisitor did slower paced combat too and had to relaunch with a 2.0 version that made the game much faster paced in order to get positive reviews. It worked but showed again that the ARPG fanbase is too conditioned now for wanting speedrun content. Not sure how to break that cycle of expectation and failure for games which try something different.
I totally agree. I was arguing this same thing on a Sammycaps video. Blizz really blew their load last year and its an incredible expense to blizzard with time and resources. Their community isnt very friendly to them based on the past few years and they are still figuring out the microsoft transition. Lets give them some time to cook.
heyo rhykker, watch your news for years no, thx for the service i was a bit sad you did not cover any of the Vrising News lately (or i missed it somehow and then sry) but its at least for me the best ARPG release this entire year and i often see it overlooked so i thought i just comment and ask :)
I love the ARPG Soulslike mix. ARPG totday is a wide francise not just screen blastibg 275 attacks / cast per second. But its definitley more leaning to Soulslike. Thats why i can imagine alot of players dont like the methodic combat which less Power Fantasy
Wicked's problem is how much the devs talked about an ARPG with some Souls elements when in reality it's pretty much exactly the other way round. It feels like that resulted in a lot of players feeling frustrated about not getting what they were expecting the game to be and some criticism about a level of false advertising seems justified. However at the same time it's a gorgeous game full of creatiity and it deserves to gather a devoted fanbase. I myself prefer to enjoy *playing* a game instead of investing time and effort *working* a game, thus I refunded it. And although I'm a bit sad it wasn't the right game for me, I still wish Moon Studios all the best with this project.
@rickmel09the devs in an interview explicitly said they we coming for PoE and Diablo 4 . Also they did pay for arpg streamers to try the game. It definitely feels like there was some misdirection regarding to the marketing, be it on purpose or not.
@@lavq7000 and in those payed streams it became evident what was the game about, no surprises, just a bunch of people buying a game without properly informing themselves about it
Totally agree in the sense of everyone think of what is an arpg but if we really think of this term it could refer to a lot of genres. Soulslikes, hack n slash, and even FPS rpgs. In fact it only excludes turned bases or tactical rpgs and action games without rpg elements... So NRftW is an arpg 😅
I've loving NRFTW. Thanks Rhykker for telling us about it a few months back otherwise I wouldn't have seen it. 24 hours in within a week which is kind of unheard of for me due to the limited time I have. I've never made it through a Souls game because of the brutal difficulty, but I get the same feeling of accomplishment when I down one of the bosses in this game. You really have to work to beat it. This might make me give Elden Ring another try at some point as I know I'm missing out by not playing through that one.
After doing WoW raiding for over 15 years, I've never had that itch to play another genre of game that required dozens if not hundreds of attempts on any particular boss. I LOVE that aspect of WoW, but it's designed to be very team oriented which adds many layers of complexity that has always been lacking for me in the solo variants that the souls games offer. That being said, making an aarpg that makes both gearing up and combat slow, incredibly punishing doesn't seem to mesh well for me. It seems to capture a very specific overlapping audience between these 2 styles of games.
A game's aesthetics is important to me. Lost Ark had everything I loved about MMOs and ARPGS. Amazon and Smilegate's greed destroyed a fantastic game. I hope we can have something like that game again without the pay to win aspects. No Rest for the Wicked is just a very ugly game in my eyes.
For a diablo show, I think it would be fun to explore old diablo lore like the early life of Deckard Cain. I wouldn't want them to rehash the story of any of the games, really. I'd rather see them expand on the current story or explore old stories only told in lore drops in more depth.
ive been following No rest for the Wicked since it was announced, i love Ori games so i bought the game and i really love it, this is what i want for a long time, i played all Diablo games and Souls games especially Elden Ring and this is a mix of both, Thank you Moon Studios
Wicked is fun enough but it’s missing elements of each and so comes out neither. The precision combat feels bad compared to most souls-likes because of the size of objects on the screen. Stamina depletes absurdly fast as well.
I'm def. enjoying No Rest for the Wicked. Two of my favorite games of all time happen to be D2 and Elden Ring. I've finished the endgame content for No Rest for the Wicked and it's gameplay is not, and I don't think it's possible to make it, fast enough to be considered an ARPG just because of the combat style. Also, being punished for sloppy play is not a prob in my eyes...it bring a pretty good middle ground between hardcore and softcore. My issues with the game are minor....how far the camera is from your character and or no ability to rotate it...and the restriction on portaling to/from waypoints.
I have enjoyed No Rest for the Wicked. Once you play it through and take your time, it gets easier. And the story is really good. I was super bummed when i beat the last boss in ealry access and coildnt keep going.
What drives me to arpgs is loot and power fantasy of feeling super powerful and annihilating waves enemies. Having some more skill mechanics wouldnt be bad but i dont want anyone thinking a souls game arpg as a means action and souls games aren’t “action” their slow typically one on one skirmishes. Not bad games love them but an arpg cant be a souls like they are essentially complete opposite end of spectrum and have their own reson for existence.
I like to watch Blizzcon for a lot more than announcements, the deep dive panels have always been the reason to watch for me. My guess is that the cancellation has nothing to do with having something to show, I think that there has been a huge pivot in what Blizzard is working on, and that everyone is busy working on new or renewed projects. We're getting Warcraft Reforged patches for the first time in years and Starcraft II is getting patched again, this indicates to me that things that matter to customers are getting worked on. I bet Overwatch Single Player just isn't ready to show yet, the Diablo team is clearly super busy reworking the most core system to the game AND making a big expansion due in just 3 quarters, WoW is busy wrapping up a big expansion... I think the people there are just super busy doing cool things that aren't quite ready for the limelight.
No Rest for the Wicked is not an ARPG lol...at least not in the traditional Diablo-like meaning of ARPGs. It's an isometric souls-like with very minimal ARPG elements. It's definitely primarily a souls-like with ARPG elements rather than the other way around (i.e. an ARPG with souls-like elements).
I had this on my wishlist but after I realized it was more souls-like than arpg I didn't end up getting it. But if they can make it more arpg-like I won't have any problem buying it. :)
Suprised this game died like last epoch. Like no one is talking about them and as soon as blizzard talks about diablo we see so many youtubers going on it and google searches go up like 400% that speaks volume and as us shareholders we knew this would be a thing. Keep up the good work man.
the main problem with no rest for the wicked lack of respect : half the stats only scale dmg. So if you level up dex and don't use a dex weapon, that wasted points. In dark souls all stats improve your char one way or another one (if I remember well). If you add the fact you can't test weapon if you don't have the prerequisites... badly designed stat system. I would not mind a rare costly reset, if all stats make your char better independant of the weapon used ( dmg scaling be a 'secondary effect').
its a good sign blizz focuses on making good games and merely no marketing, then well-marketed-shit. good marketing replaces a good product - but only ONCE. they did recover from d4 - and thats likely a miracle in my opinion, and maybe the pulled themselves out of it with announcing 3 wow addons and finally steering d4 into the right direction - but they wont do this trick a second time. so focussing on good games with less marketing is the way.
The reason people are coming down hard on Wicked is because of what MOBAs did to the RTS genre - it killed it. People are instinctually afraid that if an offshoot or evolution of an ARPG becomes popular it will kill the classic ARPG because we live in a world where every game company will abandon traditional genres to chase trends if it means turning a buck. Look how FPS games almost got killed by the battle royal trend.
I am amazed at how people try to force their opinions about something that was clearly defined by the creators. Just go watch and listen to the interviews Rhykker did with Moon Studio ! They explain the "what" and the "why" they call their game an aRPG, and it makes perfect sense ! Even then, trying to define a genre nowadays is pointless, because most games are a mix of genre anyway. The only valid opinion is : either you like it or you don't...Holy shiat !
Blizzcon was an expensive event for Blizzard whose sole purpose was for the fans, to get them hyped up for the next product. But seeing as how so many people have abandoned Blizzard due to its many scandals, it would be a net loss to hold that event now.
No Rest for the Wicked is a console game on the PC. Bad controls for keyboard / mouse. Pretty much asking for bad reviews no matter how good or bad the game actually is.
The big gaming conventions that are purely held by a singular studio I think is kind of pointless every year. I think it It would work out better if you did it every couple years when you got a really big announcement of a game coming out later that year or early the next year so you can just tease it and bring out all this hype like 6 to 9 months early and show what you guys are working on for the next couple years. Because like you said it ties up so many people and then set you back probably a few months I don't imagine cuz of all the planning and things you got to take away all those important people from. So I think one of these conventions every couple years is probably better than every single year. Like Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo them doing a thing every year or an online thing every year makes a little more sense because their platforming so many games. But the individual companies I kind of don't find a point in it.
Looking forward to NRfTW but I've played enough early access to know that I should wait. The experience is always better for having the patience. This isn't to say early adopters are not useful. Quite the opposite. They do all the tail end bug finding and guide writing for everyone else. Without them, it's verily possible games wouldn't be as good. (The Forest or Minecraft were good examples) o7 to them even though I don't read guides until I've completed a playthrough without them.
aRPG is any rpg lite game including dark souls, that concentrates more on the action than the RPG mechanic, technically every rpg these days is an aRPG unless its a cRPG like Baldur's gate etc. Just like people created a new sub-genre of rpg for souls-like technically a sub-genre of aRPG, people also have created a diablo-like sub-genre of aRPG's. Everyone knows all the major diablo-likes and they don't try to hide their origins like PoE etc. Technically a lot of JRPG's these days are more aRPG than classic RPG but they still lie more on the side of the spectrum of RPG than not.
Netflix is a risky partner when it comes to bringing a licensed IP to screen. They have a habit of cancelling series before their conclusion and refusing to return the rights to the IP creators so that they cannot shop a continuation to other studios or distributors.
Dark Souls is an ARPG. Souls-likes are a subgenre of ARPG. There is little to no roleplay, you don't build or get skills for social interactions. The story is not the focus but provides context and background for the action. But for sure the focus is very much on the action and always has been. None of this is bad, I just think it means souls-likes are as much arpg as Diablo-likes.
I disagree that having a conference takes money from Devs, its already allotted. Thats how business works, funds are allotted to different things, and it's accounted for beforehand. The fact that fan pay tickets for items or the conference cuts cost. Will agree that it's better to have something to talk about rather than an average conference with nothing to talk about.
All these indie game success prove , corporate can spend millions with teams hundreds strong , but corporate churn out can never compete with true talent and art . I think and hope triple AAA gaming will continue to dwindle as tools allow the real creators and true artists space to compete technically .
I agree that Blizzcon without a banger announcement would be a Sad but the Event should be for fans. But how it's possible to be a 70B company and can't create some big announcements once per year.... So many franchises are in a bad place
None of the "complaints" about No Rest for the Wicked sound bad to me. I might have to give this one a try. ARPGs need to evolve in some way, better than they have been. Especially in regards to the "live-service" bullshit model, and the lack of player engagement with the game systems.
I really like No Rest for the Wicked and the dev response to the players is AMAZING. After 20 hours in the game I HIGHLY recommend the game. However, they really have to stop with the belief that their game has anything to do with Diablo style ARPGs (DARPGS I will call them). It absolutely is an ARPG, but it's about 90% souls like and 10% DARPG at best. Not one classic DARPG will change core gameplay as a result of yet another souls like coming out even if it has random loot. In fact, this game isn't even the first to try this recently. Achilles did something very similar (just a heck of a lot less polished). Most DARPG players like skill trees, character classes, fast play and wild build diversity. NRFTW has none of that. The only "build" you are doing is Str/Dex/Magic and any special item attributes that support any of these three souls like styles. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that at all, but I think we need to lay to rest the concept that this is in any way the future of DARPGs or that DARPGs NEED a huge change. I think that PoE2 will potentially be more in line with what people will be expecting and want.
They rent out the Anaheim Convention center, to rent out *one* exhibit hall there for one day is 18,200$. Blizzcon is a two day event, so it's 36,400$. There are *five* exhibit halls in total, bringing the grand cost of the halls alone to a whopping 182,000$ to be able to to show the "powerpoint presentations" to everyone. and that's JUST the exhibit hall costs, we're not even getting into things like general staffing costs, vendor costs, equipment and maintentance costs, the list gets LONG. tl;dr, conventions are EXPENSIVE. and they are often very difficult to break even which is why admission tends to be on the pricer side of things. And even with such expensive tickets blizzcon ends up being a net loss to host that is only made up for by sales of the things they advertise there.
Missed dev work. Not only are you paying the devs, but they are not actively creating content for games that are much more profitable. Also it's a pretty expensive area to keep a convention in. Venue alone is quite expensive.
As a longtime gamer, I can remember when Blizzcon was basically a celebration of gaming. I was never able to attend but I always wished I could. Being surrounded by other gamers having a good time…that’s what Blizzard was all about. That Blizzard is long gone, sadly. We won’t see it again. If the joy is gone, why have the gathering?
It's true, you live & die by your reputation. Blizzard CA$HED OUT their reputation and it's bearing the ugly fruit. It's taken years but we've already passed the point of no return. Those fast and quick microtransaction got you good money, but your traded in your reputation for it. It's all downhill from there.
All NRftW does is put back in a bunch of mechanics and systems that RPGs used to have a decade or two ago (e.g. stamina, weight, durability, parry, block, etc.) but dropped in the transition to ARPG to speed things off...and, yes, not piss off the casual players at every step of the way. If NRftW wants to limit its audience to "serious players only", so be it. That's their choice. Elden Ring does the same thing, of course, so there is clearly a demographic of players who want this level of granularity to their game playing. But casual players should avoid anything tagged as "Dark Souls-like", of course. They will feel that the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
I'm calling it right now that BlizzCon was cancelled because they couldn't justify it to Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised if some new larger event for all of Microsoft's gaming properties (which are kind of a lot at this point) were the new conference for things that would have been a blizzcon. I realize they didn't do that to Minecraft, but still.
Been playing "No Rest" recently, really enjoying it. Makes me want to play more soulslike games. It's strange to see it categorized alongside Diablo, it feels more like a soulslike to me. I like soulslike games, but if I didn't play Diablo/PoE, I might not have found out about this game.
@@AzoreanProud honestly I am not a D4 bad person but playing No Rest for the Wicked I had a lot of moments where I was like "I wish they had done this in D4".
I was going to go on with a long nostalgic post about Blizzard of old and Blizzard of now, but I lost heart halfway through. The bottom line is, Blizzard and many other companies across various industries for whatever reason, have decided to actively despise their core/traditional audiences. When you despise someone, you surely dont want to meet them face to face. They might love our money, but they mightily hate us. "Games made by gamers for gamers" died over a decade ago, and what remains amounts to little more than souless bean counters who see you as a potential "renter" and nothing more.
Yup, ditched Mac versions after more than 20+ years !
Could see it miles away for No Rest for the Wicked to get a mixed launch. It was pretty much marketed at a mix of classic ARPG and Souls. Well, all the classic ARPG fans expect gear to nullify all challenge in the end and souls fans expect to skill it through. It's a nice game though, just marketing was a bit of a miss.
I' ve played 60 hours of NRFTW so far and I'm just enjoying starting a new build after maxing one, gathering stuff, etc. Already 6 big hotfixes after 1 week is crazy. Love the game :)
What would they announce other than D4 expansion? Cancelling makes sense.
Think it just proves no one cares about OW2.
Facts lol
They wouldn't even have the D4 expansion to show off. We're getting a deep dive into it in the summer, and it will potentially be released before normal Blizzcon times. The next WoW expansion will already be released too, so unless they had some hidden game to announce, it will just be a couple new seasons for various games.
@@anorouchgood because I love Diablo so if more games come out like that I’ll just be happy
D4 expansion might be out by then if they are still on track.
I like No Rest for the Wicked, but it's definitely NOT an arpg. It's like 10% arpg, 10% survival game and 80% souls-like.
I've been having a lot of fun though, but IMHO the current main issue of the game is performances; the game is currently more demanding at 1080p lowest setting (performance) than Cyberpunk 2077 at medium-high settings. I'm playing at 1080p performance setting on a 5950X & RTX 3080, and it's BARELY playable, with crazy stutters and very wildly varying and low framerate.
My second gripe would be that the game is pretty unresponsive and clunky. One of the main reason of that might be solved by button remapping if they do it right, because "hold" buttons to trigger differents actions inherently add some delay (duh). The fact that run and roll are tied together completely baffle me and makes combat feels more unresponsive than it needs to be.
Everyone thought NRfTW was going to be an arpg but like with Tunic its actually a isometric souls like.
What's the definition of a APRG?
You can't just add or remove definitions because a game don't feel "right".
From what I see on the wiki, the game certainly qualify.
2024 is WoW's 20th anniversary, you'd think that would have been a can't miss Blizzcon and a huge celebration. Bummer
they're too busy to make 20th anniversary FOMO cosmetics in the shop.
Giant greedy companies dont care about anything other than money.
Majority of these cats weren't around blizzard 20 years ago.
Legacy means nothing to them.
If it don't make dollars it don't make sense
@@Vimpari Blame the people who buy them.
I don't think Microsoft is really into hosting video game conventions. I don't recall them ever hosting a convention for Halo or any other big game directly under their umbrella.
They had quakecon and minecon last year. Although, I don’t think minecon was in person, just online.
microsoft doesn't directly control any of the companies they buy. they tend to just give them money and let them do stuff.
@@therabbits69 They say that but in no way is that true.
11:15 thats exactly what good Soulslikes do. Even normal enemies are challenging (at least at first), until you figure them out.
About the blizzcon thing - honestly the BlizzCon Spirit died when they started milking us, their loyal fans. It became cynical at that point and it was noticeable. Esp. on the years they had no real news. Yes, a company is supposed to make money but they could have wined and dined us first, like in the "old days" of Blizzcon. The last like 8 or 10 years were mainly "give us money" first and hollow talk about being a family and stuff like that.
And that doesnt work at some point.
Yes it might just be that we, (former) Blizzard Fans needed to grow up, granted.
It's less like milking and more like what the Fremen do to the Harkonnens in the latest Dune film. Or a spider does after it's liquified your internal organs.
62hrs into NRftW and i know im going to be invested with this title for months or even years to come.
a Diablo series that is a prequel that leads into and plays out the events of Diablo 1 could be really interesting. Basically a dark themed series building up the lore of westmarch and tristram, show the founding of tristam and then through the events of the darkening and tristram and fleshing out the events of Diablo 1. The story with Aidan, blood raven, the vizjeirei summoner, and deckard cain.
Great idea!
did rhykker change the title and thumbnail after uploading it? i could have sworn a couple hours ago that it said something about blizzcon being canceled.
Yeah I've been a/b testing different titles and thumbnails for a couple months
I get it that Blizzcon would be kind of boring and pointless event when they have nothing to announce for this year. I get that.
But still, the way I see it Blizzcon is not just a forum where you announce your new upcoming games. It's much, much more than that.
It's an event where you can meet up and exchange words with their most loyal fans. It's basically an event where you can celebrate your games together with your community.
Blizzard skipping Blizzcon just sends me the message that the higherups at Blizzard don't really care about their community, because having celebration event with them would only cost them their precious money.
But then again, what do I care.
Blizzard has degenerated so much over the past decade, that it's hard for me to get excited about anything that they do anymore.
Modern day Blizzard is just a big 'L' factory to me, as everything that they touch seems to turn into shit these days. They went from "Midas touch" into "Mierdas touch".
In wicked we’re not getting loot that’s very interesting to chase. But that makes sense because we’re only in Act 1. Act 1 in Diablo doesn’t drop very interesting stuff either, outside of some early set items (which might be added to wicked later too)
D4 cosmetic shop is a mess, and it's not just a cost issue, though that's a massive issue. You have no idea what is available because it rotates, and some sets have three parts, but knowing this is nearly impossible.
Regarding Wicked and the question of it being an ARPG or a Soulslike I think it really depends on what people value in either genre. Some, like Rhykker, will value rng loot hunting as a core element of ARPGs, but others, like me, will say the combat is a crucial element. And because of the Wicked is not an ARPG either Soulslike combat but rather a Soulslike game with ARPG gear systems. And while pedantic, that distinction matters a lot to me, as Darksouls games don’t interest me much.
If ARPGs need to evolve into something new, I’d love to see a game take notes from movement shooters, with combat being a series of well executed moves that build up momentum and power, building you up to the speed we known in current ARPGs, rather than the slower reactive combat of a Soulslike
Lost ark has way better combat tbh then no rest for the wicked. Faster flashier gameplay; even more strategy for raid bosses; combos counters stagger and far superior combat
As someone who likes both gernes of games and have wanted something like this for a while, I find that it really is a misnomer to categorize it as either gerne with elements from the other. It really is a middle ground where design decisions fall into 1 of 3 buckets largely: Uses soulslike conventions, uses ARPG conventions, fuses conventions. Combat is animation and stamina driven like souls games. leveling uses more souls like stats and gear often resembles more souls like gear. Checkpoints are more a fused convention of bonfires/waypoints/townportals that honesty feels really awful. death drops weapon durability which is more ARPG. no exp loss on death is ARPG. Enemies don't respawn on death is ARPG. Random loot is ARPG. Crafting and altering weapons is ARPG. enviromental hazards is more souls like. unlimited potions (food) that can be prepared/bought on the fly is ARPG. Harvesting resources is more survival than either gerne but due to the crafting systems in ARPGs I'd say leans more ARPG. Money being separate from exp is more ARPG. Daily quests are more ARPG. I'm sure there is a lot more I could divide out here if I thought about it, but the point is the designs don't particularly align very well with either genre's standard conventions.
For this to be a proper soulslike I think some of the following would need to change in most souls players eyes: food is replaced with a flask that replenishes on resting at a checkpoint, non-elite/boss enemies respawn on resting at a checkpoint, dying drops all experience towards the next level and/or money which can be recovered at the location of death and is lost permanently if the player dies again before recovering, leveling can only be done at checkpoints.
I'm not saying these changes should be made but the deviation from these conventions in favor of more ARPG conventions make the game feel very different and not like a soulslike. More like it borrowed ideas from souls games but went and made its own thing.
No rest for the wicked is not a Diablo like its a isometric Soul game with slight arpg elements and some mmo system elements
The MMO system elements are actually more like Animal Crossing elements.
Yeah I bought thinking it would be more like 60/40 soulslike/arpg , not 98/2.
@@pythonxz lol
@@cinnabun117 But soulslikes are ARPG's...
when do we tell them that a "Souls like" is mostly an Action game with a focus of RPG progressing (leveling your character, exploring environments, and powering up through equipment and skills)... Oh they mean aRPG where "I push button and hundreds to thousands of enemies die in colorful flashes" of, sorry moving along.
The last 14 years of the blizzard were really sad. An event of that size was shameful for such mediocre things and with a total lack of respect for the PC community. We saw blizzard presenters mocking the community....they really deserve to lose their jobs.
No Rest For The Wicked is amazing, glad I took the plunge on it despite some negative reviews.
Yes it has a way to go in terms of resource management, inventory management, etc but that's an easy fix.
Intrigied to see how multiplayer goes.
Helldiver devs ARE KILLING IT. Imagine that your player base finds a "technical" work around for your event and instead of being told "no that's not how it works" they hit you with a "good job you got it". I have not played and I do not intend to play Helldivers (it's just not for me) I wish ALL of the success for them! It makes me so happy seeing what could be with people that care about the product that they are putting out and not just looking at numbers for profit.
I've always appreciated Arrowhead since Magika. They've done great work.
Didn’t the ceo basically just say piss off to players though about a recent nerf to parts of the game? Doesnt really sound like they’re killing it to me.
@@Not____Applicable Depends how you look at it! Remember when Blizzard said "get a phone to play the new diablo game, you scrub!"? It's like that but better from the HD2 devs.
Youre seriously missing out, and this community rocks!
@@Not____Applicablecite your sources dummy
I think dark souls games have a good solution to the builds/stats problem, they added initial classes, it makes the player to be able to have some sort of decission on what to go for since the beginning but had the freedom to change it later. One thing I like even less than this problem is the amount of weapons this game has using weird stats like having dex/int two handed hammers, i guess they were trying to give thr player the option to try different playstyles even if they were stat-locked into a build and not being able to respec, but this frame for me beats the whole idea of having a stat system, if u can end up playing with any weapon class having any stat then why having different stats at all
They could host a blizzcon as an esport and cosplay event. Explicitly announcing that there wouldn’t be stages with games announcement or anything like that
(Blizzcon) makes you wonder how much say Microsoft had a hand in it, not a good idea to start producing negative numbers with a new boss looking over your shoulder, you might be just asking for a pink slip. As for Fallout 4, You know it bad when Developers say "this ultra wide screen is just a fad, we will just stick with 1920X1080. We already know players will have to use console commands to get pass the bugs, how much of a stretch is it for them to change the .ini files!" It took them 10 years to make 3440X1440 resolution when it should have been implemented on release in 2015 and they have no plans to fix any of the bugs.
HI @Rhykker... sorry to bug you. I've been noticing a very subtle buzz in the sound, nothing terrible, but maybe worth renewing the XLR cable.
Anyway love the content and have been listening to you since Diablo 3 🙌🏼
My only critique to this video is being bombarded with ads, I don’t remember having an issue with ads on these videos from Rhykker.
I have spent 50 hours in 'No Rest for the Wicked.' It is a great, fun game. I love the challenging combat; you can't just run around and one-shot everything
You can with proper builds. I recommend throw weapon rune on cursed claymore - it kills most of the mobs in 1-2 hits and heals you while you can charge focus at the same time. The only requirement is to take as many claymores as you can buy at Fillmore to enchanter, buy one hunter axe to extract rune, and put it on a cursed claymore that has both health and focus on hit, or alternatively, just focus on hit and use a ring with health on hit. What I like about this game is that it is souls-like if you do not know how to make strong builds, but it gets closer to diablo-like ARPG once you solve items. It gives less skilled players a chance to enjoy content.
@@kikastg9001 Well in crucible dungeon I still need 3-4 hits to kill mobs, I am using halberd build
Proceeds to “Just walk around and one-shot everything”.
@@AirLineASMR The highest damage per shot is white yewn longbow and its cone shot, bought at Whittaker. Use any one-handed weapon with health and focus on hit that you can use, like a blood-rusted sword you can buy to enable build. Have about 300 focus, and you can put additional focus gems on both weapons and armor. It is the closest you can get to 1 shot as of now.
@@kikastg9001 I will need to create a new character for this :) put all stats in str and stamina,
At least for a phylosophical point of view, arpgs have you fight a lot of enemies so that you can counter the randomized nature of loot. Souls like value more one on one combat, so all the randomization might not work.
Maybe the game can still work, but the loot hunt tranfering to crafting centered gearing. Or maybe those two genres arent really all appart.
this doesn't sound like a "philosophical" ambiguity or disjoint but rather an "etymology" (similar to the Rogue-like/Rogue-Lite situation) where "ARPG" at its core is about an action game with a RPG style progressing where "Souls games" have a high focus on moment to moment Action while allowing the player to build their character with RPG systems through level up decisions, exploration path, and weapons/gear. It was Diablo that tried to pigeon hole the achronym to be "loot first" as a gateway to killing dozens, hundreds, or thousands of enemies in flashes of pretty colors which can be traced to Diablo 1 Sorceress, and many end game builds in Diablo 2, but most people try to credit to Diablo 3 while even Path of Exile and many "modern Diablo Style ARPGs" perpetuate "I click button and kill hundreds of things in a flash of colors". No Rest for the Whicked like Dark Siders 2, and Nioh tries to incorporate a higher focus on Itemization and Gearing, but apparently because they have a "specific camera style" now it is being compared to Diablo. If you give an over the shoulder camera to Diablo 2 does it fundamentally change it from being an ARPG?
I recently started reading all of the Diablo books, comics, game manuals, ebooks, and short stories. Just finished Legacy of Blood and doing Lord of Destruction and Tales of Sanctuary next. So far everything I've read would be great as a TV show, but I think the Sin War trilogy makes the most sense. It'd be pretty cheap to produce for the first season, and then if it does well they could up the funding for season two and three (I'd just do three seasons, one per book) which would be needed because of the crazy (and awesome) shit that happens in those books. The biblical-like characters and plot (son of god sacrifices himself for the human race, hello) that will resonate with most western audiences and the tie-in with Lilith and Inarius and the Diablo 4 story seems to make it an obvious choice to me. Market it as the "prequel" to the Diablo 4 story and it would definitely sell even more units of D4. just my thoughts. also the Sin War trilogy was great and I recommend everyone check it out. Super easy to get through in a week or two. Legacy of Blood not quite as good but still fun story about Bartuc/Horazon, with a heavy D2 influence. Could easily run that one as a mini series just for funsies.
Beta D4 was actually so much better, where we had a great middle point between d3 and wicked.
"A new take on the Diablo franchise" was scrapped because the the feedback instead of sticking to the vision the devs had....
We actually had to play and think. Now its right back down to zoom zoom rushing through dungeons and finishing à season in 2 weeks.
Long live wicked, and i HOPE that they stick to their vision, and not change because of shit feedback.
I played D4 alpha and beta, what do you mean? Do you mean the difficulty because neither was very hard. S4 fixes difficulty for the most part. Most people won't be able to do a Lvl 200 Pit / Lvl 200 Uber boss.
@@booksnbooze7796 no. I mean actual game play. It was way more methodical, we actually had to use the dodge roll. It was slower paced, and less loot dropped. I had way more fun in beta than vanilla launch. And it just got worst with time.
D4 became d3 v2.0 with the same gameplay loop on different maps. Greater rifts are back... so d3 is back. Rush through dungeons, and no story or any content. Reach max lvl 100 in a few days. Its boring now.
@@kerst4738 so you mean, it wasn't Diablo? And still isn't Diablo? You should be playing Wicked because it sounds like what you want, and Diablo 5 should be like Diablo 1-3 and have back all the proper features.
No. It was diablo. It was actually really fun. The fighting wasnt souls like, but it was more important to dodge, to learn patterns.
Now, we are right back to D3. Either we 1-shot kill everything, or we get 1-shot. Or we have so much défense that we just absorb all dmg and wait while the bosses life goes down.
Early D4 was better. It still had a Diablo feel. Great maps. Fun combat, just.... slower. Things have been changing non stop for the worst. Adding teleports to dungeons was a mistake. It made things just like greater rifts. Changing events to save à couple seconds left and right made this go right back down to d3 ultra speed running through content. To me, that sucks.
We went from D1 to D2, much changed for the best. From D2 to D3, everything was changed positive and négatives came out from all that.
D3 to D4 was a way to come back closer to D2. Slower game, more farming, and.... we lost it all.
As i said, D4 is now D3 v2.0. Because all that brought innovation or changes were taken out or adapted to please the "majority" which was in fact, just the louder group.
I will still play D4 once season 4 comes around... or maybe the first DLC. But i am definitly playing wicked and last epoch instead while i wait.
D4 has some of the best lore in gaming out there.
But 11 years of D3 was enough. I wanted a new game, new mechanics, new vibes. Not just a reskin, with visual updates and the same boring grind loop all over again.
What was the point of à huge open world map if we dont use it because we teleport from dungeon to dungeon to max exp gain? So many things are gone that made D4 its own new thing. Its à shame.
Its just my opinion. But i also know im not alone thinking this way.
My suggestion for trying weapons in NRFTG: Items that give high stat increase but nothing else. So you can keep them and try certain weapons earlier and then instead exchange the item that gave you the skill in the first place.
The inventory management is not great. Takes way too long to run all this stuff around. To farm it, then use it, then realize you need something from your storage, go get it, do your upgrade, then run everything back to storage. You do this every time you go back to town. Having said that gripe, I am growing really fond of this title. Combat made me rage quit early on, but after you get some upgrades going, it gets way better. Im having a blast.
Oh and all the patches in a week is awesome!! Way to go devs!
I would like, just once, to get a game with a lot of inventory management, that has systems to make it tolerable or even enjoyable. Looter shooters and ARPGs still haven't managed it. Borderlands players are still gimped by a system designed for whatever you call people who use consoles without a mouse and keyboard and are inevitably going to *have* to suffer to get it done and it's been one of the biggest complaints about the games since the first one. *shrugs* I feel like you could clone pretty much any of those games, just give it satisfying looting and inventory setup, and you'd have a massive hit.
The first time I had a rewarding experience playing a Souls-like was with Elden Ring. The dungeon system, the saves and how fast you can get back to where you were after dying were the main qualities that set it apart from DS and Bloodborne, which I've tried before but never ever considered playing for real. Haven't tried NRFTW yet, but I'm still hoping it never, ever becomes the template for ARPGs as is being suggested. It would make the genre awfully stale.
Personally, the main draw for souls games is the tailored quality experience, everything is thematic and connected, including the loot, and rng would just ruin the whole feel. While in arpg it sort of fits cause of endless loot pianiatas.
No Rest for the Wicked looks interesting, but I don't love the system of random loot combined with animation-based, moveset combat. Like finding a "better" weapon that's completely different and not suited to my play style. It's what turned me off to Nioh. I hope they find a good balance.
The “physical experience” blizzcon with almost no panels looked like trash and I’m glad I ended up selling my tickets last second 🤷♂️ I know I would have been so disappointed in person if I’d gone. I went like 5 years in a row before Covid ended the streak and they were pretty great but blizzcon felt more and more like another way for them to just earn money and drain their fans of their hard earned cash.
Wicked had its 6th hot patch release today.
Honestly im buying this game early just because how the devs are acting. I was gonna wait a bit since i got burned by early access before.
My problem with No Rest For The Wicked is it was never presented as a soulslike. Not once did they ever call it that that I am aware of. I asked multiple times on X and the Steam forums if the game would have multiple difficulties with no answer. The day the game came out I broke down and asked fellow players on Steam and one of them told me it had multiple difficulties, so I bought it through their RUclips affiliates program and got an extra 5 bucks off, which sadly means no refund for a mis advertised game.
Now on to my reason why the games need multiple difficulties. I have eye sight issues. A stigmatism in my right eye and diabetic retinopathy in my left eye, I have what are called floaters that can blur or obscure my vision. I can't read animations that well which make parrying, blocking, and properly dodging much harder to do. This leads to frustration that can't be overcome. The older I get the worse my vision will be.
I have made recommendations on the Steam forums and X with no response from the developers. Suggestions like adding an Arkham style UI element that tells you when to block and or parry. Or better readability to when an attack must be dodged. You know accessibility options.
At the very least they could do is offer refunds for the game to those who bought it directly from them.
ARPGs are one of my favorite genres hope Blizzard, Grinding Gear, Crate Entertainment, and other ARPG devs don't go down this route. ARPG have been one of the most accessible games ever made. I would hate to see some of my favorite games be turned into soulslikes. Hell I'm still waiting for someone to make a turn based looter strategy tactical rpg with the production values of Blizzard, GGG, or Crate Entertainment.
Go play lost ark thank me later. Way better combat than wicked and easier to pick up
@@brev5003 I didn't like Lost Ark. I really like the world design and art of No Rest For The Wicked, just wish the devs would make some concessions for accessibility.
100% agree
@@juggernautxx I think this would be really bad for video games in general and lemme explain why, if concessions have to be made to make the devs vision acceptable to you, isn't that just saying that you think your vision is more important? what about those of us who can play the game?
why are you more important than us?
if you can complete the game you can just scoff at anybody else and say "im just as good as you".
this devalues everyone else achievements if the standards is lowered intentionally for the minority.
you need to live within your means. if you physically cannot keep up with the combat then you need to start playing games that are more suitable for your needs, and not force everyone else to change just for you. thats unfair.
Your frustration is coming from a place of inadequacy and i understand this, but you need to understand that there are games made for you, but this is just not one of them.
he who wants concession should first compromise.
@@Anotherhumanbean12345 Bullcrap. Having multiple difficulties effects no one. It allows all players to enjoy the game. I'm so sick and tired of BS excuses like this just to hoard a game for the exclusive few who want to have a hill they can stand on and laugh at all the folks who can't make it up the hill. It reeks of elitism.
NRFTW is 90% a soulslike game and 10% an ARPG. For me its basically an isometric soulslike rpg. And thats ok. I think what Ibarra said is not true at all. ARPGs dont have to evolve into soulslikes to stay relevant. The core philosophy of an ARPG is that it is mindless hack and slash of many monsters, not methodical slow stuff. I actually think that Diablo 4 is the correct evolution of ARPGs, that is have a big open world with random events and procedurally generated dungeons. They just need to get now the content right because the base is good.
NRFTW looks good. i love both genres. I just generally dont like spending 40$ on a game, especially if it's in early access.
I absolutely love the game i do agree with inventory resource management complains though. I also dont understand why rebeuilding the town is time gated if you have all resources availble in your inventory you shouldnt have to wait 3 or 4 hours for the effect to set in.
A lot of games fall into the category ARPG
Action Roleplaying Game, that is what it means.
Most MMO's fit into that category, we just choose to put them into the MMO category and a lot of games in this category aren't even massive :/
The souls games are also ARPG's, souls like is a term that came later for one certain mechanic, the bonfire.
Games can have multiple categories they fit into, just like some music can.
This is an isometric souls like ARPG with survival elements.
When a Dev makes respeccing expensive and/or rare, I don't want to play that game. The way I play in the beginning of the game, is not the way I play at the end of the game. If a game makes me feel as though I've wasted talent/skill/ability points by making respeccing hard or expensive to the point that I feel the easiest way to do that is to make a new character and start from the beginning then I'm done with that game and system.
I think maybe discounts based on play time could work. Play 2 hours get 2% off and so on. Up to a cap obviously.
Vikings: Wolves of Midgard did the whole "slow ARPG" thing years ago, not as hard as a true souls-like but with a focus on move sets in combat and the such. Doing an isometric souls-like but not so difficult has been done. It bombed, sadly (I loved it). Warhammer Inquisitor did slower paced combat too and had to relaunch with a 2.0 version that made the game much faster paced in order to get positive reviews. It worked but showed again that the ARPG fanbase is too conditioned now for wanting speedrun content. Not sure how to break that cycle of expectation and failure for games which try something different.
I bet anything they fired the team in charge of the Blizzcon event with their cuts this year.
I totally agree. I was arguing this same thing on a Sammycaps video. Blizz really blew their load last year and its an incredible expense to blizzard with time and resources. Their community isnt very friendly to them based on the past few years and they are still figuring out the microsoft transition. Lets give them some time to cook.
It's sad to see a company failing to a point where we would say them cancelling one of their big event a positive thing.
heyo rhykker, watch your news for years no, thx for the service
i was a bit sad you did not cover any of the Vrising News lately (or i missed it somehow and then sry)
but its at least for me the best ARPG release this entire year and i often see it overlooked so i thought i just comment and ask :)
I love the ARPG Soulslike mix. ARPG totday is a wide francise not just screen blastibg 275 attacks / cast per second. But its definitley more leaning to Soulslike. Thats why i can imagine alot of players dont like the methodic combat which less Power Fantasy
Wicked's problem is how much the devs talked about an ARPG with some Souls elements when in reality it's pretty much exactly the other way round. It feels like that resulted in a lot of players feeling frustrated about not getting what they were expecting the game to be and some criticism about a level of false advertising seems justified. However at the same time it's a gorgeous game full of creatiity and it deserves to gather a devoted fanbase. I myself prefer to enjoy *playing* a game instead of investing time and effort *working* a game, thus I refunded it. And although I'm a bit sad it wasn't the right game for me, I still wish Moon Studios all the best with this project.
@rickmel09the devs in an interview explicitly said they we coming for PoE and Diablo 4 .
Also they did pay for arpg streamers to try the game. It definitely feels like there was some misdirection regarding to the marketing, be it on purpose or not.
It plays exactly like the gameplay they showed, its awesome
Sure the basic combat is souls like but get further in and you really start blasting like an aRPG.
@@lavq7000 and in those payed streams it became evident what was the game about, no surprises, just a bunch of people buying a game without properly informing themselves about it
Totally agree in the sense of everyone think of what is an arpg but if we really think of this term it could refer to a lot of genres. Soulslikes, hack n slash, and even FPS rpgs. In fact it only excludes turned bases or tactical rpgs and action games without rpg elements...
So NRftW is an arpg 😅
It was nice to meet you tho
I've loving NRFTW. Thanks Rhykker for telling us about it a few months back otherwise I wouldn't have seen it. 24 hours in within a week which is kind of unheard of for me due to the limited time I have. I've never made it through a Souls game because of the brutal difficulty, but I get the same feeling of accomplishment when I down one of the bosses in this game. You really have to work to beat it. This might make me give Elden Ring another try at some point as I know I'm missing out by not playing through that one.
After doing WoW raiding for over 15 years, I've never had that itch to play another genre of game that required dozens if not hundreds of attempts on any particular boss. I LOVE that aspect of WoW, but it's designed to be very team oriented which adds many layers of complexity that has always been lacking for me in the solo variants that the souls games offer. That being said, making an aarpg that makes both gearing up and combat slow, incredibly punishing doesn't seem to mesh well for me. It seems to capture a very specific overlapping audience between these 2 styles of games.
A game's aesthetics is important to me. Lost Ark had everything I loved about MMOs and ARPGS. Amazon and Smilegate's greed destroyed a fantastic game. I hope we can have something like that game again without the pay to win aspects. No Rest for the Wicked is just a very ugly game in my eyes.
For a diablo show, I think it would be fun to explore old diablo lore like the early life of Deckard Cain. I wouldn't want them to rehash the story of any of the games, really. I'd rather see them expand on the current story or explore old stories only told in lore drops in more depth.
Fallout London is the same size if not bigger than the vanilla FO4 experience. Insane
no rest for the wicked almost sounds like that diablo souls game they were working on?
ive been following No rest for the Wicked since it was announced, i love Ori games so i bought the game and i really love it, this is what i want for a long time, i played all Diablo games and Souls games especially Elden Ring and this is a mix of both, Thank you Moon Studios
Wicked is fun enough but it’s missing elements of each and so comes out neither. The precision combat feels bad compared to most souls-likes because of the size of objects on the screen. Stamina depletes absurdly fast as well.
I'm def. enjoying No Rest for the Wicked. Two of my favorite games of all time happen to be D2 and Elden Ring. I've finished the endgame content for No Rest for the Wicked and it's gameplay is not, and I don't think it's possible to make it, fast enough to be considered an ARPG just because of the combat style. Also, being punished for sloppy play is not a prob in my eyes...it bring a pretty good middle ground between hardcore and softcore. My issues with the game are minor....how far the camera is from your character and or no ability to rotate it...and the restriction on portaling to/from waypoints.
I have enjoyed No Rest for the Wicked. Once you play it through and take your time, it gets easier. And the story is really good. I was super bummed when i beat the last boss in ealry access and coildnt keep going.
What drives me to arpgs is loot and power fantasy of feeling super powerful and annihilating waves enemies. Having some more skill mechanics wouldnt be bad but i dont want anyone thinking a souls game arpg as a means action and souls games aren’t “action” their slow typically one on one skirmishes. Not bad games love them but an arpg cant be a souls like they are essentially complete opposite end of spectrum and have their own reson for existence.
I like to watch Blizzcon for a lot more than announcements, the deep dive panels have always been the reason to watch for me. My guess is that the cancellation has nothing to do with having something to show, I think that there has been a huge pivot in what Blizzard is working on, and that everyone is busy working on new or renewed projects. We're getting Warcraft Reforged patches for the first time in years and Starcraft II is getting patched again, this indicates to me that things that matter to customers are getting worked on. I bet Overwatch Single Player just isn't ready to show yet, the Diablo team is clearly super busy reworking the most core system to the game AND making a big expansion due in just 3 quarters, WoW is busy wrapping up a big expansion... I think the people there are just super busy doing cool things that aren't quite ready for the limelight.
Blizz can you please release the Dark Wanderer set... for Diablo 3 in one of the next upcoming seasons? Thank you!
No Rest for the Wicked is not an ARPG lol...at least not in the traditional Diablo-like meaning of ARPGs. It's an isometric souls-like with very minimal ARPG elements. It's definitely primarily a souls-like with ARPG elements rather than the other way around (i.e. an ARPG with souls-like elements).
I had this on my wishlist but after I realized it was more souls-like than arpg I didn't end up getting it. But if they can make it more arpg-like I won't have any problem buying it. :)
Suprised this game died like last epoch. Like no one is talking about them and as soon as blizzard talks about diablo we see so many youtubers going on it and google searches go up like 400% that speaks volume and as us shareholders we knew this would be a thing. Keep up the good work man.
Happened in 2006 and 2012 too. If you have nothing really new there is just less of a reason to do a convention.
They also did not sell alcohol at BlizzCon 2023, they would have made more if they didn't cancel that.
the main problem with no rest for the wicked lack of respect : half the stats only scale dmg. So if you level up dex and don't use a dex weapon, that wasted points. In dark souls all stats improve your char one way or another one (if I remember well). If you add the fact you can't test weapon if you don't have the prerequisites... badly designed stat system. I would not mind a rare costly reset, if all stats make your char better independant of the weapon used ( dmg scaling be a 'secondary effect').
its a good sign blizz focuses on making good games and merely no marketing, then well-marketed-shit.
good marketing replaces a good product - but only ONCE. they did recover from d4 - and thats likely a miracle in my opinion, and maybe the pulled themselves out of it with announcing 3 wow addons and finally steering d4 into the right direction - but they wont do this trick a second time.
so focussing on good games with less marketing is the way.
Blizzcon announcement was more than likely a MicroSoft call, and does actually make sense considering what all was said here.
They just have nothing to show at all. No reason do a Blizzcon.
The reason people are coming down hard on Wicked is because of what MOBAs did to the RTS genre - it killed it.
People are instinctually afraid that if an offshoot or evolution of an ARPG becomes popular it will kill the classic ARPG because we live in a world where every game company will abandon traditional genres to chase trends if it means turning a buck.
Look how FPS games almost got killed by the battle royal trend.
I am amazed at how people try to force their opinions about something that was clearly defined by the creators. Just go watch and listen to the interviews Rhykker did with Moon Studio ! They explain the "what" and the "why" they call their game an aRPG, and it makes perfect sense ! Even then, trying to define a genre nowadays is pointless, because most games are a mix of genre anyway. The only valid opinion is : either you like it or you don't...Holy shiat !
Blizzcon was an expensive event for Blizzard whose sole purpose was for the fans, to get them hyped up for the next product. But seeing as how so many people have abandoned Blizzard due to its many scandals, it would be a net loss to hold that event now.
That and it's kind of pointless now because Microsoft can be the ones to announce the Blizzard games at any cons they attend.
Your description of Hell Divers absolutely kills me as an Xbox player hah. Sounds so amazing.... Maybe one day....
No Rest for the Wicked is a console game on the PC. Bad controls for keyboard / mouse. Pretty much asking for bad reviews no matter how good or bad the game actually is.
The big gaming conventions that are purely held by a singular studio I think is kind of pointless every year. I think it It would work out better if you did it every couple years when you got a really big announcement of a game coming out later that year or early the next year so you can just tease it and bring out all this hype like 6 to 9 months early and show what you guys are working on for the next couple years. Because like you said it ties up so many people and then set you back probably a few months I don't imagine cuz of all the planning and things you got to take away all those important people from. So I think one of these conventions every couple years is probably better than every single year. Like Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo them doing a thing every year or an online thing every year makes a little more sense because their platforming so many games. But the individual companies I kind of don't find a point in it.
that fall out london thing it would be better to just release it for old version then figure out what is broken later
Looking forward to NRfTW but I've played enough early access to know that I should wait. The experience is always better for having the patience. This isn't to say early adopters are not useful. Quite the opposite. They do all the tail end bug finding and guide writing for everyone else. Without them, it's verily possible games wouldn't be as good. (The Forest or Minecraft were good examples) o7 to them even though I don't read guides until I've completed a playthrough without them.
aRPG is any rpg lite game including dark souls, that concentrates more on the action than the RPG mechanic, technically every rpg these days is an aRPG unless its a cRPG like Baldur's gate etc. Just like people created a new sub-genre of rpg for souls-like technically a sub-genre of aRPG, people also have created a diablo-like sub-genre of aRPG's. Everyone knows all the major diablo-likes and they don't try to hide their origins like PoE etc. Technically a lot of JRPG's these days are more aRPG than classic RPG but they still lie more on the side of the spectrum of RPG than not.
Netflix is a risky partner when it comes to bringing a licensed IP to screen. They have a habit of cancelling series before their conclusion and refusing to return the rights to the IP creators so that they cannot shop a continuation to other studios or distributors.
Hell give me the story of the journey to the east animated
I used to be waiting for Blizzcon so much, counting days. Now I don't even care at all..
Dark Souls is an ARPG. Souls-likes are a subgenre of ARPG. There is little to no roleplay, you don't build or get skills for social interactions. The story is not the focus but provides context and background for the action. But for sure the focus is very much on the action and always has been. None of this is bad, I just think it means souls-likes are as much arpg as Diablo-likes.
I disagree that having a conference takes money from Devs, its already allotted. Thats how business works, funds are allotted to different things, and it's accounted for beforehand. The fact that fan pay tickets for items or the conference cuts cost. Will agree that it's better to have something to talk about rather than an average conference with nothing to talk about.
All these indie game success prove , corporate can spend millions with teams hundreds strong , but corporate churn out can never compete with true talent and art . I think and hope triple AAA gaming will continue to dwindle as tools allow the real creators and true artists space to compete technically .
I agree that Blizzcon without a banger announcement would be a Sad but the Event should be for fans. But how it's possible to be a 70B company and can't create some big announcements once per year.... So many franchises are in a bad place
None of the "complaints" about No Rest for the Wicked sound bad to me. I might have to give this one a try. ARPGs need to evolve in some way, better than they have been. Especially in regards to the "live-service" bullshit model, and the lack of player engagement with the game systems.
diablo 2 had stat requirements for all items and no respec and it worked fine. each character had it's own build.
I really like No Rest for the Wicked and the dev response to the players is AMAZING. After 20 hours in the game I HIGHLY recommend the game. However, they really have to stop with the belief that their game has anything to do with Diablo style ARPGs (DARPGS I will call them). It absolutely is an ARPG, but it's about 90% souls like and 10% DARPG at best. Not one classic DARPG will change core gameplay as a result of yet another souls like coming out even if it has random loot. In fact, this game isn't even the first to try this recently. Achilles did something very similar (just a heck of a lot less polished).
Most DARPG players like skill trees, character classes, fast play and wild build diversity. NRFTW has none of that. The only "build" you are doing is Str/Dex/Magic and any special item attributes that support any of these three souls like styles. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that at all, but I think we need to lay to rest the concept that this is in any way the future of DARPGs or that DARPGs NEED a huge change. I think that PoE2 will potentially be more in line with what people will be expecting and want.
Moon Studios is a great studio. I think they can deliver.
does heavy action role-playing game sound good?
They have nothing to show. That d4 expansion aint coming out at the end of the year. It'll be between March and June next year.
What makes blizzcon so expensive? It's a bunch of powerpoint presentations. The tickets are so expensive too
Don't forget about the overpriced food
XBOX showcase ring a bell. Blizzard was aquired by Microsoft.
They rent out the Anaheim Convention center, to rent out *one* exhibit hall there for one day is 18,200$. Blizzcon is a two day event, so it's 36,400$. There are *five* exhibit halls in total, bringing the grand cost of the halls alone to a whopping 182,000$ to be able to to show the "powerpoint presentations" to everyone. and that's JUST the exhibit hall costs, we're not even getting into things like general staffing costs, vendor costs, equipment and maintentance costs, the list gets LONG.
tl;dr, conventions are EXPENSIVE. and they are often very difficult to break even which is why admission tends to be on the pricer side of things. And even with such expensive tickets blizzcon ends up being a net loss to host that is only made up for by sales of the things they advertise there.
@@powerfulshammy yeah i was thinking that it wouldnt make sense for microsoft to market blizzard games if all that does is reduce xbox revenue
Missed dev work. Not only are you paying the devs, but they are not actively creating content for games that are much more profitable.
Also it's a pretty expensive area to keep a convention in. Venue alone is quite expensive.
As a longtime gamer, I can remember when Blizzcon was basically a celebration of gaming. I was never able to attend but I always wished I could. Being surrounded by other gamers having a good time…that’s what Blizzard was all about. That Blizzard is long gone, sadly. We won’t see it again. If the joy is gone, why have the gathering?
It's true, you live & die by your reputation. Blizzard CA$HED OUT their reputation and it's bearing the ugly fruit. It's taken years but we've already passed the point of no return. Those fast and quick microtransaction got you good money, but your traded in your reputation for it. It's all downhill from there.
All NRftW does is put back in a bunch of mechanics and systems that RPGs used to have a decade or two ago (e.g. stamina, weight, durability, parry, block, etc.) but dropped in the transition to ARPG to speed things off...and, yes, not piss off the casual players at every step of the way. If NRftW wants to limit its audience to "serious players only", so be it. That's their choice. Elden Ring does the same thing, of course, so there is clearly a demographic of players who want this level of granularity to their game playing. But casual players should avoid anything tagged as "Dark Souls-like", of course. They will feel that the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
I'm calling it right now that BlizzCon was cancelled because they couldn't justify it to Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised if some new larger event for all of Microsoft's gaming properties (which are kind of a lot at this point) were the new conference for things that would have been a blizzcon. I realize they didn't do that to Minecraft, but still.
Been playing "No Rest" recently, really enjoying it. Makes me want to play more soulslike games. It's strange to see it categorized alongside Diablo, it feels more like a soulslike to me. I like soulslike games, but if I didn't play Diablo/PoE, I might not have found out about this game.
It's because of the isometric camera.
But truly the devs keep calling it a arpg and want to change the arpgs genre
through innovation
@@AzoreanProud honestly I am not a D4 bad person but playing No Rest for the Wicked I had a lot of moments where I was like "I wish they had done this in D4".