Why Conservatives Don't Understand War (2024)
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- When talking about a second American civil war, many conservatives would argue that an armed right-wing insurgency would be able to overpower the federal government and military of the United States, pointing to the Vietnam War and War in Afghanistan as examples of ragtag insurgencies and militias overpowering the US, but not only is the right misunderstanding why the Vietcong and Afghan insurgents won those conflicts, but the comparison between these examples and the United States is a false comparison because the situations are vastly different. This is why conservatives don't understand insurgency.
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#civilwar #civilwar2 #conservative
Americans have a warped view of what civil war means because of our own “civil war.” Civil war is random. Random car bombs, getting shot at the coffee shop, people taking advantage and settling personal vendettas. America did not have a “civil war.” We split into two countries and had a regular war.
Bleeding Kansas would have been that part of our civil war. You’re right that we basically got that far, but it started all the same in smaller scale, civilian on civilian, violence
Also, the American Civil War was also, practically, one of the most humane wars ever fought.
Imagine bridges getting exploded and nerve gas being set off at trains and buses. There's your civil war, a series of demonic nightmares
@@deriznohappehquitewhere we also lost the most people as well, 600k in CW, 400k in WW2🥲
@@maxscheu5663 Bleeding Kansas is more a precursor of the Civil War than part of it. Bleeding Kansas is to the Civil War what the Balkan Wars are to WWI.
I think you’re purposely baiting people to thinking you’re not conservative so they get mad in comments and it hilarious
Exactly. He actually changed my political views to a more middle stance on most topics. (Not conservative, not liberal) Keep it up and thank you!
He's not conservative. He's just based.
100%
@@TurtleChad1 He identified as conservative. Mostly at least.
Conservatism is the liberalism of yesterday .
It's not a legitimate political stance or ideology
U gotta have an episode on this or debate with WhatIfAltHist
Can't it wait until after WhatIf gets medicated for his psychotic break?
Collab with Cody
@@danielbob2628 he read every book in the library, have you?
@@danielbob2628 get back on your own meds 1st
@tuckerbugeater he only reads history books that were written before the Civil Rights movement.
Neither side in the US understands how a modern war works. Both sides generally believe that theyll get a notification on their phone saying "civil war has begun! Which side are you on?!?" And they generally think it will be two armies lining up in front of one another. A real war is fought by an insurgency with a decentralized network. You will never know the soldiers fighting for the insurgency. They will work a 9-5 job, they will appear normal on the surface. In reality, they are working to purchase ammo from black market dealers and foreign nations and raiding under defended military bases, patrols, and attacking logistics, slowly turning the people against the government by forcing the ruling government to enact more and more draconian laws.
There will be a nationalist faction that will embrace the draconian measures if it means preserving the state, these kinds of people will be actively willing and willingly active at any cost. All the government has to do is appeal to this most enthusiastic faction and the rest of us are history
Yeah bro that won’t happen
Yeah because that strategy works so well against a government that will not give up ever and controls the media (not to mention what' forcing the government to enact draconian measures' would involve doing. Hint: lots of civilian deaths.)
@@accountname9506 it's exactly that that will cause a federal "defeat". The left is relentless and will do whatever it takes to get what they want. They don't care how many need to die to achieve their goals, if it's what the establishment wants, they will throw people into a meat grinder to get it. The government controls *legacy* media, which is seeing massive rating drops over the past few years since 2020. What CNN says reaches only the urbanites and those who were never going to even consider siding with the right. Most people get their news from independent sources the government currently can't control.
No, the insurgents do not need to kill civilians to get a government overreaction. Like I said, with a small squad of maybe 5-10 people, attack small convoys and under defended police stations, military outposts, checkpoints, etc. This will force a government response that will likely consist of curfews, ID checks, random searches, frequent checkpoints, etc. This will rub the local populace the wrong way and will lead to one of 2 outcomes: the locals blame the government for these increased security measures and join the insurgents or they will blame the insurgents and help the government find and arrest the insurgents. Each town and city will have different reactions. Some will stay loyal, some will rebel and join the insurgents, or they can be split down the middle.
@@ZalamaTheDragonGod not necessarily pro government pro America
These people who support the physical conflict narrative are engaged in performance art.
People who think we have any recourse at all are delusional.
@@monsieurcharcutier4490 Really wish whatalthist and Monsieur Z would do a video together.
@@teru797 z makes fun of old ruddy, looks down his nose at him
@@monsieurcharcutier4490 No, people who DOUBT we have any recourse are delusional. Jumping to taking up arms and trying to fight a rebellion is like burning down your house to deal with a spider infestation.
@@monsieurcharcutier4490 yeah, I'd love to see them have a youtube debate on this topic.
Logistics win wars, so a lot of these fancy new toys will quickly become useless due to break down of trade
ships:
Logistics derive from the means of production
Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics.
Yes. Basically anything with chips inside will not be replenished once full conflict begins
Means of production🤨🤨🤨 very sus @@ZalamaTheDragonGod
I think you miss the point as to why so many talk of rebellion and why they don't seem to have an end goal. They don't think they can fight to change the country, they think it's already over and intend to fight to the death. If you want people to come off of the civil war stuff or whatever you need to actually give them hope for the future, not tell them they'll just lose harder. They think they've already lost so they don't care.
THIS! Those who don't have hope, are the most bloodthristy! Z is to autistic to realize passion is irrational.
The US is basically Joever for Hwyt3ς.
It's not their country anymore.
Same for Canada, South Africa Australia etc.
The only hope they have is either going back to the UK if you are from Brittish stock only or if you are a Euro mix go to Hungary since they are the original Euro mix people. There you go you now have a hw8 homeland.
The only place where things can change realistically is in Europe. You can't sell nativism to an inherently rootless people like the Americans. You can do it in Europe because that's Hw8's home continent.
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This is the best comment right here
"Never contend with a man who has nothing to lose" - Baltasar Gracian.
Another thing to note is that the government would probably ban selling guns and ammo to the civilian market instantly in order to "starve out" the rebels. I know that it is some what easy to make the casings and bullets, but making the primer and gunpowder at scale while avoiding detection would be very difficult.
That’s under 2 assumption that the Mexican cartels or other third parties wouldn’t supply those groups to make a quick buck or destabilize the nation.
2 That the government attempted to ban and confiscated all guns and ammunition would drive people to support the rebels
Ammo banned would just become black market, but still in heavy circulation considering the high firearm and ammunition possession at this time. Even in the event of a shortage every single round able to be fired can have effect no matter how little.
That type of extremist government overreach would start the conflict as it would leave no choice. Strikes and blocking roads, especially interstates like the I-70/I-75 in Ohio. This is why it is VERY important to get the sides to the negotiating table to avoid bloodshed.
That is exactly what would urge the undecided to join in on the fight against government overreach
You're over here worried about them banning ammo, while Im over here learning how to make HE with off the shelf components. We are not the same....
You forgot to ask. Would the soldiers shoot their own family?
Yes, they would
Any good soldier wouldnt just desert because among the enemies is a family member.
Exactly. Narrator knows nothing none of us know how it would happen. He sounds like my IT guy. Total adhd geek
@@Blaxton9 No, most wouldnt, doomer.
They would. And if they wouldn't? There's plenty of foreigners to do it for em.
America will only fall or be balkanized when it stops being the first economy and military of the planet. Similar to Austria Hungary or the Roman Empire. It's always a slow process
Roman empire started its civil wars in the same social point as USA now.
An uncontested superpower with great unequality and political polarization.
Well both of those things are already rapidly approaching
An empire that falls to an enemy can be rebuilt.
But an empire that falls from within... That's gone. Forever.
@@EEE-1409 Not true. China usually falls from within, and always get up again.
@@adamnesico ... Before crumbling again
The terminally online conservatives who call people soyboy willy nilly wont be fighting. The conservatives who know how to fight dont usually go online to talk shit to random people.
What do they do then? The closest thing to a direct action right wing group is Patriot Front, which most of the right doesn't seem to trust. Other than that there's little street action, and according to you there's no online activism, so do they just withdraw from society and polish their guns? If so that's very obviously a losing strategy.
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@johner3364 Bro thinks hes Obi Wan thats crazy
@@zoomer9686 well yeah, cause Im real strong & can back up my words. I also don't pick fights online, fights pick me. The others are usually the aggressors.
I been in the Army for 12 years. And I’m still in the National Guard I was in DC for 2 days and they sent me home because I’m too hard right wing. They sent a lot of us home because of that. So yea I would have always sided with the hard right every time I even tell my solders we get called again to DC and other Jan 6th like event we are going to help the hard right win
Based but be careful.
Congratulations. You just painted a target on your back
This right here is the reason why guerrillas in the USA can't function. Y'all are just too excited to plaster your great plans all over the internet for Daddy Government to find
How did they know? Spoke your mind a lot? I want to join but I'm worried I would b "too far-R" as well
I thinks it's more likely people in the military will refuse to fight then defecting
As a soldier, many soldiers would definitely leave if a civil war starts
That's what I was thinking, M likes to only argue from one side as if the left hasn't been absolutely hemorrhaging this country into the ground and making themselves a domestic enemy.
wdym mean by "leave"
@@blankboy2270 desert the military
@@blankboy2270 Probably desert/go AWOL which is something that needs to be considered beyond just direct defection.
The ones who stayed and chose a side would be the important ones though.
The people who are willing to lay down their lives is what's important here. But yeah, the social engineering the government is doing is going to overdrive and its scary.
"The people who are willing to lay down their lives is what's important here." for the evolutionary process, yes
@@claudiaxander What do you mean? Hell the left are cutting off their tits and balls and aborting........... They already winning the Darwin award.... Trump going to win even if he is in a jail cell so the Right will have Consitutional control of the military on Nov 4..... Obama will not legit win a 4th term.... If they blatantly cheat or assinate Trump it will only galvanize the Right and Center against them they will only have the 30% Marxist/ Demnocrats plus the millions of military aged males from God only knows sneaked over the border under them last 4 yrs........ Evil never wins in the end... We are the ones who make this country run if they keep pushing Russia they might have nukes hitting these big blue cities or an EMP, neither would be good for the Commies. They want to conqure and or enslave us then let them try , we might lose but we take this $hit down with us...... FJBN
I would argue our generals don’t even seems to grasp this a lot of the time. Why would the right or left?
Once this happens US will be gone for good. Certain states will remain independent. Balkanization is inevitable at this point.
Perhaps for the better if politics devolves into screwing over various civilian populations as retaliation for voting the wrong way.
I don't foresee the US would falling and becoming balkanized, thats a Radical view. Warlordism happens due to centralized authority losing control of their resources due to many factors. Primarily giving resources and legitimasting others control. And then lost of faith in the Centralized body. Mostly due to External factors.
I don't see the US falling like Qing China unless people get greedy and forget what they are fighting for during the Civil War.
Monsiuer Z has very little understanding on the dynamics of domestic warfare.
You're making a lot of erroneous assumptions about what a "rightwing" insurgency would look like. Assuming no state governments got involved, at most you would be looking at a resistance. Rightwingers would have 0 interest in taking control of the federal government by force. The playbook would be mass disregard of federal power. We have already seen a test case of this with sheriffs publicly refusing to enforce certain gun laws.
Besides this I'm not convinced the US military is prepared to project power within the US borders. We have been focused almost entirely on expeditionary forces all over the world since WWII. All branches are understaffed. The globalist uniparty is not going to mass redeploy troops to the homeland to enforce military law in the vast, sparsely populated interior. If they did it would damage their world domination plans to a point that the "rightwing" would claim it as a victory. The rules of engagement would be crippling. How many Wacos or Ruby Ridges would it take to sour the public on support for the military? In order to enforce military law they would have one every month. Would the public support drone strikes on US civilians in the US? Does the Navy and Coast Guard even have enough river warships to patrol the interior?
I don't think any of this is going to happen, but if something happens it's going to be the response of the government that tears the country apart not the resistance. All we have to do is continue existing.
Most of the military is already in the country. How many warships would the insurgents have?
@@tritium1998 the government would need river warships to protect trade from sabotage.
The military personnel in the use is almost entirely support/planning, training, or inactive. Even reassigning them would degrade the ability of the expeditionary forces to project power across the world, and be a defeat for our globalist elites.
The cost of occupying the interior would be immense and asymetrical. It could be done for a while, but I doubt the general public would tolerate it for 20 years like Afghanistan.
@@vanivanov9571 thanks. I think Z is right about the scenario he presented, I just don't think anyone thinks that is the scenario that might play out. I think we are already in a period of civil strife. My contention has always been that civil wars happen when the military/police start taking sides. It's like the difference between there being the conditions for a tornado and there actually being a tornado. The conditions for a tornado happen way more frequently than there being a tornado, but they raise the threat of a tornado breaking out.
@@tritium1998 No conflict on domestic LAND benefits at all from warships, are you slow?
@@Funkiy well there is a benefit, bombarment of military instilations or enemy combatant
edit: but to be fair, you still have somewhat a point.
Z! Suggestion: What if the Trastamara dynasty survived in Spain? 🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦
Or what if Romania or Russia joined the central powers or what if Japan conquered Hawaii in ww2.
So this is just a rehash of the last attempt at this video, but in a more compact form. Still the same one sided strawman though.
You shouldn't assume the military will remain intact during a civil war. Professional military will end up on both sides
Nope, the military will fight for the side the government is on
This
I’m in the military and that’s delusional thinking. I know conservative’s have this image that almost everyone in the military is a Conservative but that’s just not the case.
Most people join the military for money and benefits and politics is just not that important in the military.
If war came there would be a few desertions from individuals but we could not see what we saw during the Civil War. I’d wager around 90-95% of the military would remain loyal to the federal government
They are not just going to become traitors out of the blue. Thinking otherwise is just delusional
@@elscarador7012no not this. That’s just delusional
There will be one "de jure" military but chances are its going to devolve into being a rump military who gets their assess kicked.
See: Burma "military"
Basically: Nothing Ever Happens the video
So, what if hypothetically it was the liberals rebelling against a conservative government?
According to this guy they win all the time because no matter what the right or conservatives do, they'll always lose.
They'd probably get recognized by NATO and the conservative US will need to entertain playing along with China and their buddies or risk complete political isolation.
Ie. Big Hungary.
We could align with more conservative nations. Nato is the usa so it wouldn't matter. Russia as an ally would be enough to stop any threat.
@@CantoniaCustomslol in no world is there a NATO without the USA. Dissolution of NATO would happen before that scenario.
They'd also be screwed. Nobody trying to go against the American establishment is gonna survive or have an easy time.
I am sure that the the Ancien Regime in 1789 or the Tzar in 1917 was also completely assured about the loyalty of institutional armed forces.
Actual LARPing lmao
Same could be said for the left you do realize
The soldiers of the Tzar were underfunded, underfed, underarmed literally were UNDER anything and of course why wouldn't they fight against the government, the governemnt who never gave them SHIT but forced them to fight the germans...
I don't believe an Election loss would be enough, to compell conservatives to go to War. I think that The Government would have to do something more intense, like declare Martal Law or Nationwide Gun Confication. I'm a conservative and I don't want a Civil War, because it would destroy this country. I believe that we should first pursue peaceful means to our grievances. We should only view War as a last resort when we don't have any other choice. I pray that may never have too use that last resort.
Okay lemme pose a hypothetical to you. They're going to drag trump back to NY for "sentencing" for the sham trial.
Four days before the RNC where he's supposed to accept the nomination. ...What if they hold Trump afterwards. And what if because they hold him after sentencing. They(the RNC) decide "Well. Trump's not here, so let's give it to Rino NIkki Haley", by which point all support for the republican party will become non-existent. Because nobody likes Nikki Haley. Except democrats. Who actively voted for her in the primaries with the hopes of trying to cause Trump to lose.
The US Government is rotten to the core.
very gay
Martial Law is exactly what the Left wants.
Yes. This. These RUclipsrs, even the ex military have little idea how such a war would actually be. Even the veterans were just fighters, executing missions that were deemed effective in those wars. The strategy is from the higher officers and the White House, people who wouldn't debate on such a RUclips video. It would be horrific, vastly more terrible than the 1861 to 1865 war. WW2 type casualty numbers, easily I. A drawn out war lasting a few years. We have an armed Population, with as many guns as people, an extremely dangerous, unprecedented scenario.
This should have been a discussion about a potential civil war in America....not a potential civil war in your own fantasy land.
Before I clicked on this video, I was hoping you'd address what my counter was, and you never do. So, I'm afraid the one who doesn't understand warfare is you:
1: With conservatives primarily wanting to be left alone, what do you think the odds are that Americans in the military, who have American families of their own, would fire upon their countrymen without hesitation, regardless how much propaganda they're fed? Some would, don't get me wrong, but all or even most of them? Ridiculous. You keep addressing this as "Our troops won't betray the government." The accurate way to think of this is: "Many of our troops won't want shoot at either side." Most people in the military, of every rank, will think, "Wait, these guys just want to be left alone. Do I really want to massacre them because my CO said so?"
2: Reality setting in. War is a hell of a wake-up call. If it becomes a full-scale conflict, whiny college campus rhetoric will swiftly take a backseat, if not forgotten completely, when the economy crashes because half the country is fighting the other. Reality will wake up a lot of delusional people when life gets so much harder. Being left-wing these days is little more than ranting on the internet and holding up signs at a college campus. The harshness of reality will cause EVERYONE to seriously rethink their perception of reality. That in itself will severely weaken the Left's appeal. Obviously, there will always be a "Left," but when reality hits hard, it makes many people right-wing or at least sympathetic to the Right. I'm saying EVERYONE will wake up to the realities of family importance, responsibility, survival skills, etc., and thus severely weaken the impact of the nonsense left-wing rhetoric that has turned the Left so batshit crazy the past couple decades.
3. Think about it. It won't be right-versus-left so much as it'll be private citizens versus a bloated government. In other words, the Right will have the advantage from the start, for several reasons, but the main reason being that most people will refuse to side with the elites who are only perpetuating the conflict just to remain rich and in power.
The idea that a lack of military support on Jan 6 signals lack of support is laughable, too.
Yeah us soldiers are a little different than Russian or Chinese soldiers
I'd argue that there's nothing more cowardly and treacherous than the modern American soldier. The fact that most are just out of shape women and minorities is evidence of this.
ROGER THAT 👊 What happens to those NG units when the mobs lead by anarchists start shooting at THEM?! That's what the podcast doesn't get, that once the 'shooting' starts it will be ALL OVER! Then the local cops will be tasked DOUBLE with the pervasive 'criminals' AND the "terrorists"! Bottom line is this country is f'ing WEAK and will collapse into total despondency (ESPECIALLY when the NFL gets CANCELED 😵💫)..
Your first point illustrates my biggest issue with his analysis, it's not going to be the right starting things. Because they just want to be left alone, so why would they start something?
It's not going to be oh wow look at these crazy right-wingers just blowing up Bridges and stuff, it's more likely to be as you say why is my CO telling me to shoot up this family living alone on top of a mountain, over some spicy tweets?
When the federal government violently over reaches enough times they are going to burn their Bridges with the military.
That's why the winning play for right-wing civilians isn't to instigate a civil war but to let the federal government overplay its hand.
An actual Civil War is much more likely to come from leftist overreaction to a supposed right-wing cultural victory on some issue
This is true given what we've seen of the White Flight from the cities back in the 60's and 70's. The sad truth is that vast majority of conservatives would prefer to hide away than fight.
Not in the very rural areas, at least in the midwest
@@JohnFreyholtz-ii8ju Where have mid western whites fought back against ethnic replacement?
@@Matt_Alaricfleeing the population sinks called cities and returning to the fields, the true habitat of humans.
@@adamnesicountil the city masses spread out & whip out the country side
@@adamnesicoit's now fields of suburbia, the most unproductive land use in the nation
The biggest mistake in this whole scenario is referring to "the right" as a unified group that would prosecute this insurgency, and that "the government institutions" would not be littered with insurgent sympathizers, with even potential for whole military units defecting to or supplying the insurgents. But while there have been some big headline far right attacks in the US, the vast majority of calls to "tear down the government" as well as violent organized actions to do the same have come from the far left in recent years. Either way, civil war would be devastating for everyone.
I've seen plenty of people from the far right wanting to tear down the government too. Both are as bad as each other on this.
Active duty Marine here.
Don’t care, didn’t watch.
Wow
Your cock is soooo huge
If you didn't care you wouldn't have commented, idiot
Real
Understatement of the millennia.
Love how he made one in depth Civil War video that proved how conservatives would win, and then proceeds to cope by making almost a dozen videos on why they would lose.
Conservatives lost every war 😂
@@Mavuika_Gyaru I think you mean they’ve won every war.
@@seargeantbattleus9571 yall lost the Civil War. Yall lost both world wars. Conservatives don't win. They're alive by the grace of liberals
This is most tsundere back and forth I've seen IRL, you and Rudyard-kun should just debate
Very well thought out video and I have to agree on the central premise that guerilla rebels simply do not win conflicts without the backing of outside forces. Your next claim is that any outside faction will obviously staunchly support the Federal Group against the Rebels, except for maybe Russia and China, which you claim won't have much of an impact. While nobody knows for sure, I believe this is where your analysis falls dead wrong. Take the US out of the global military equation and Russia, China, and India are the next 3 in line both in size of militaries, military spending, nuclear arsenal, etc. They are all members of BRICKS, which has the stated goal of suplanting US/EU hegemony over the global economy and trade (petrodolar etc). Add in the fact that oh so many Europeans actually look resentfully at the US as a 'nice enough but still an asshole' overlord, I believe MOST nations around the world would pour support into ANY US rebels, left-wing, right-wing or otherwise simply to topple their biggest economic enemy: The US Federal Gov't. The Feds would still be a strong faction backed by (2/3s) of the US Military and UK, Nordic Countries, Poland, Germany (maybe), and France (maybe). This will likely evolve horribly into WW3 fought on US soil.
Any WWIII would end in a worldwide nuclear holocaust, & sometimes I wonder if that might be for the better. Humanity has had its day, & we've done nothing but f-ck everything up.
🤣🤣🤣👍 thanks, I needed a good laugh.
@@HK47_115 No. He is eerily accurate. The US government has made a lot of enemies, particularly with Russia. They are ideologically and geopolitically opposed to each other. If Russia saw an opportunity to destabilize its biggest rival, I have no doubts they would take advantage of it. Especially if a war with NATO was eminent or underway. The European nations are weak, and their stockpiles diminished. If Russia could stop the US from entering the war or diverting much of their resources the balance will be greatly tipped in their favor.
Also What other nation realistically is going to be able to give the US aid that will affect it meaningfully?
For me what it comes down to is that I would rather back the "losers" than the side that defends PDF files and general scumbaggery.
Pdfiles will naturally be part of any elite group since due to their pdfilia they have a vulnerability that easy to black mail and control. That's why they cluster there due to their black mailing potential.
Are we talking about Matt Gaetz?
Multiple red states repeatedly defend child marriage and elect pdf files....
@@constantinethecataphract5949 Thats true, but from what I have seen these last few years is that there are people who are trying to celebrate/normalize it.
Wasn't Trump a client of Epstein?
Which coast do you live on? Do you actually know any conservatives or are you getting your assumptions from MSNBC?
I think he says he lives in LA or some city? But I dont remember.
@@josephstalin839
New york
I think he lives in Texas.
@@Ghost-pd1mzNYC
He is a conservative himself…
You forget just how much the nations that would supply the government would have their own very serious issues to deal with if the US fell into civil war.
What if the Ottoman Empire industrialized? Not 1900s ottomans I’m talking about 1500s to 1600s ottomans
9:24 this can logically be attributed to the fact that the Democrat party also represents the Neo-Cons, America's modern militarist, expansionist ideology. While the Republicans are strongly opposed to foreign interventions and prefer to focus on internal issues
Is that why there all in support of Israel?
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun
I thought white supremacists hated communist chinese. Why you using a mao tse tung quote?
The strawmen abound.
In the event that the only emergent conservative manifestation to this conflict is military insurgency, this video would be good, and all of the conclusions do apply to those idiots.
However, to say that the conservatives don't understand war and that the military will not break to the right overlooks two f-k-g enormous factors that will come into play: The Convention of the States and the Oath of Enlistment.
If the current trends continue, the situation will become untenable to the not-wacko civilians who will demand that their state legislatures flex their power to reign in the federal government. Based on the 2022 Senatorial results, the red states need 6 more to call a convention. Those 6 would likely include GA, VA, PA, NH, and AZ. I don't think it's a stretch at even this point to say that NJ, NV, and maybe another New England state like CT, RI, or ME would join in if for no other reason than to be "on the right side of history".
Then there's the question of honor...how much of the military honors their oaths. If they break for the Constitution as they should, any Federal rebuke of a States' convention would turn the military against the Federal government. Probably not at the Pentagon, but the military does have mechanisms to relieve commanders that act outside of the Oath. If only the flag officers, and likely not all of those, are willing to go against the Constitution, the one-stars and down can, and will likely, remove those individuals.
Everyone knows that drones with IR can delete people from the other side of the world, so no sane individual would go into the woods thinking they're going to win. That's why that's not what's going to happen!
Uh monsuier z Oregon is mainly conservative now after recent pollings
we live in a smiley face world and nothing like this can ever happen!
Thank God for lowering testosterone levels and microplastics. I'm not even joking anymore
@@jakeroper1096 well not 200 years its hard to live That long!
I always think it’s funny that New Hampshire is grouped with democrat states. We have one of the highest guns per capita, and that doesn’t include the guns we legally don’t have to register. Any attempt to take our guns away would fail very quickly
Na, I'd win.
Go back to the drawing board kiddo. While a lot of your points are valid, you have completely ignored a few enormous points in your analysis. for example. 1. How long the economic stress of conflict in the US would take to bring down the financial pillars supporting those "federal institutions" 2. The absolute nightmare of dealing with a insurgency within your own borders. 3. How much damage can be done to the US as a whole by attacking just a few of thousands of infrastructural weakpoints (roadways, electric grids, communications hubs). The US as a whole would be finished in any recognizable sense in only a few weeks. Whether or not that means one side or the other would emerge victorious is another question entirely, but the US would not survive.
Do Americans really don’t want to live with each other?
No.
We just hate the feds. When politics are off the table and we’re just hanging around, all is good. I think deep down most of us understand that we’re best off as a united country.
The ones who hate it
The people who get carried away in partisanship and forget that they have neighbors. As a diehard conservative my best friends are liberal and I wouldn’t want to live in a country without them.
What it boils down to is that it's not that we hate each other, we just don't like it when the opposing side tells us what to do.
All conservatives don't understand but fear not this RUclipsr does... 😂 I can't believe people fall for this... if you say anything with authority people will just believe you...
Alright wiseguy. What the hell do you suppose we SHOULD do then?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I will argue against what you're saying in some parts.
A successionist movement would definitely have numerical superiority. Most states have successionist movements 100,000 strong or more. Most being right-wing. Couple that with all the young, impressionable men who will want to fight, militias, and prior service men and women. You will be able to match the military. The federal government will have to instate a draft which most liberals and people in general will skip out on, or start fighting against the federal government. Not to mention that with every 1,000 civilians killed by the US military, you get atleast 100 more supporters. I really don't think there's a way around the fall of the US government if civil war really did break out, there's too much distrust for the government and there's no good choices they could make in a civil war to win hearts and minds unless everyone in the US suddenly and violently becomes left wing terrorists ready to die for the feds, I don't see a US government W here.
Not to mention the technological knowledge that the general population has, it'd be a new era of war like the world has never seen. I'm talking IRA x1,000, drones in Ukraine x1,000,000, trench and urban warfare, and MOABs left and right from both factions. It would be hell, so instead of baiting people to get mad like the media does, start making videos on why voting is more effective than shooting
Every conflict is different.
The mistake the majority make is looking at past conflicts and thinking they'll repeat.
The next civil war will be between multiple factions, and technology as well as firearms will be utilized.
My guy. If youre gonna keep making videos on why the right will lose, you really need to get new material. Gotta quit the broken record bit.
i wonder if you'll look back at these videos with regret one day.
1. Wrong- the war would be- The Permeant Political class vs We The People if that were to happen-
2. Wrong- It would be offensive.. why the hell would you start defensive? People would already target Official buildings... by then if that were to happen- Most of the government would be taken out... However, it would take less then a week- Giving Government less time to prepare for anything..
3. Even if the Liberals have grasped the institutions needed to have a slight higher chance of winning... do you think that anyone within the Police force Military- Or FBI wouldn't question themself to kill their own families or Countrymen? A small handful would do that.. the large majority wouldn't.
4. Using other countries that are not our own- This isn't a very good example.. because there not our people.
5. No our civil war won't start World War 3- NATO will and Blame Russia.. that's a known fact. They been trying that since Ukraine started its War on Russia... and has been losing... Slowly. What happens in the US isn't going to affect... Like if Ukraine Loses it's It's not going to affect us...
6. The Military got ordered to secure the capitol... Now unless they we're told to open fire on the so called "insurrection" now that would've been a different story- That's when they would've had a possibility to question the orders.
7. 20% at best? It be maybe about 65% at most or more- because do you think they wouldn't stop to think that killing their own country men is a good Idea? or their own families? by not saying that- that's why you think 20% at most... When I think it's higher... However, by saying the Military has a oath to the constitution to protect from both foreign and domestic... That includes the government- Because the constitution is to protect it's citizens from Government over extending it's authority... Against the American people.
Love your content z! You're amazing ❤❤❤
This argument reminds me of Ukraine.
According to surveys, half of Ukrainians held very favorable views of Russia until the U.S supported coup in 2014.
After that, a combination of the post-coup government banning Russian (and Russia sympathetic) media in the country (hence only leaving anti-Russian media active), and Russia seizing Crimea & backing rebel republics Donetsk & Lugansk, caused the population to gradually see Russia as terrorists.
The same that would sadly probably happen to conservative U.S rebel groups.
Brainwashing is a real thing. And it's basically to only show one side of the story over and over again for years.
First of all the only evidence that the coup was backed by the US is that some American politicians offered words of support in a phone call and the guy America wanted to win the subsequent election ended up winning. To date there hasn’t been a shred of evidence of US advisors or even a cent of funding that would point towards a color revolution.
The truth is much more complex. The Ukrainian president in 2014 was elected on the promise of increasing ties with the EU because this was widely popular with Ukrainians, especially those in the western part of the country. Yanukuvich began negotiations with the EU but seemingly overnight he pulled out of those negotiations and announced he’d be seeking increased trade relations with Russia instead. This enraged many Ukrainians especially those on the west. A deal with the EU was the promise he was elected on and he broke it. Naturally protests were sparked across Ukraine. Yanakuvich cracked down hard and violently against these protesters and eventually made protesting illegal entirely expecting this would snuff them out entirely. It had the opposite effect. Various elements that of the opposition banded together liberals, anarchists, socialists, and nationalists fought back against the crackdowns and eventually forced Yanukovich to flee the country. And installed a provisional government. This made many ethnic Russians in the east and south of Ukraine nervous as the provisional government saw Yanokuvich’s flight to Russia and the fact that the EU deal had been cancelled in favor of a Russian deal as evidence that they should cut ties with Russia entirely and go all in on the west. Fights broke out on the streets between pro coup and anti coup groups and protesters on both sides ended up dying most notably in Odessa where anti coup protesters opened fire on pro coup protesters with sniper rifles from a building only for the pro coup protesters to respond by burning the building to the ground with them in it. Russia feared that the coup government might kick the Russian Navy out of the base in Sevastopol so they took advantage of the chaos and annexed Crimea. The people of Crimea were largely in favor of this (well the ethnic Russian majority were the native Tartar minority not so much as they were already discriminated against by the Russian majority and the Russian annexation made their marginalization codified into law by making Tartar advocacy groups illegal). While the majority of the Crimean population was in favor of Russia I guarantee the referendum was faked and the actual number in favor was closer to 70% than 98%. Meanwhile an active rebellion had broken out in the Donbas and Kharkiv. The one in Kharkiv didn’t have much support from the local population and was quickly crushed while the those in the Donbas held out long enough to get Russian support and quickly entered a stalemate. In the early days of the Donbas war numerous atrocities against civilians were committed by both the rebels and pro Ukrainian militia such as the Azov Battalion. Protestants and Catholics were frequently targeted by Donbass Rebels as they were seen as western influences against Orthodoxy. Many churches were seized by the rebels to be used as ammunition stockpiles and in one instance where a Pentecostal congregation refused to leave and were slaughtered by the Donbas rebels. Petron Poreshenko won the Ukrainian election of 2014 and proceeded to request western support against the rebels. What he got was marginal at best a few radars here and there but nothing useful for combat and with Russia backing the Rebels this quickly resulted in stalemate as he implemented nationalist policies such as banning instruction of Russian language in schools. The two Minsk Agreements were signed in late 2014 and early 2015 respectively but neither side actually abided by either agreement and the fighting continued. In 2018 the goal of NATO membership was enshrined in Ukrainian constitution. In 2019 Poreshenko ran for reelection but lost soundly to Zelensky due to resounding support from ethnic Russian areas of Ukraine. No seriously more ethnically Russian an oblast was the more popular Zelensky was in that oblast and the only oblast that Porashenko won was Lviv. Zelensky promised to end the war in Donbas and immediately after taking office began negotiations with the rebels in October of 2019 a deal was struck Zelensky would allow the people of the Donbas to vote on independence on the condition that Russia withdraw its special forces first. This sparked protests against him in Ukraine, but ultimately the Russians refused to withdraw or even acknowledge they had troops in the Donbas and both the rebels and Azov refused to stop shooting at each other. Azov even accused Zelensky of acting on behalf of the Kremlin. In December of that same year Russia and Ukraine negotiated a ceasefire that went into effect in 2020. Once again neither side abided by the ceasefire but the violence did decrease by around 50%. In 2021 Russia began building up its forces along the border with Ukraine and Zelensky responded by requesting NATO members speed up the request for membership made in 2018. In January of 2022 the UN released a report that determined 14,000 people had died in the Donbas war total including soldiers and civilians on both sides. Putin blatantly lied about that report and claimed that Ukraine had slaughtered 14,000 ethnic Russian civilians, even though that 14,000 number included ethnic Ukrainian civilians, rebel fighters, and Ukrainian soldiers. In February of 2022 Russia launched its invasion.
While the Taliban and Vietcong were willing to absorb MUCH more loss than Western civil warriors would... strategically those were zero-risk conflicts for the US. We stopped when the arithmetic exceeded some arbitrary threshold and/or management just got tired of it. On home soil the costs would be exponential because you'd be destroying your own taxable assets. What size would a theoretical rebel objective have to be before it was worth military action to get control back? Pretty darn big...
So the Taliban and Vietcong won against rebels despite having less assets.
@@tritium1998 They were the rebels?
I see a lot of emotions from the author but primarily fear. What can I say? Womp womp
Wait wait wait, the side of politica that tends to fight our countries wars for us doesnt understand war? I cant wait to hear you explain this.
That was the most abrupt ending ever. So much so that I thought RUclips glitched when it instantly started playing a different video.
What the “Right” needs to do is learn how to be ideologically assertive and let the “Left” keep making mistakes. As the left does very often and then tear them apart in whatever platforms the right has influence in. Even if the Right could win militarily no one wants civil war and would be a disaster in any scenario.
Politics isn't a game and a winner take all sport. Grow up
Could not have written this any better myself. GMTA, I guess. These public service announcements are badly needed... if only the Right would care to listen.
Larpers on suicide watch rn
Brother, I humbly disagree with your premise. I hope that you get out of the city one day and learn what real conservatives know.
real conservatives dont even talk to each other. how are you gonna organize anything?
You mean the 90 IQ and their mobility scooters?
You’ll grow out of it
i got a feeling this is in response to whatifalthist
Call of duty IRL who's going to get that Damascus camo on the AR
As if any opposition wouldnt have their own propaganda to counter government censorship.
You know this isn't a one side or the other argument. There is a high likelihood that large segments of the military would just stand down, refuse to go murder and oppress their fellow countrymen while not supporting them. Also without the conservative rural areas producing and sending food to the insane leftist cities, prices would skyrocket in those cities as they would have to pay an insane amount of money to ship food in especially since US food production makes up a large chunk of world food production. Without "red" state resources, the blue states would wither. It doesn't even take red states embargoing. All they have to do is refuse to work and produce more than they personally need. If they wanted to get aggressive they don't have to attack and kill people, they could just destroy the roads, bridges and rails at multiple places leading to the cities, making them dependent on expensive air shipping in country and preventing red areas resources from leaving red areas at all. Also, there is the option of tens of millions of people refusing to pay taxes and that would destroy the federal government as no one would buy its debt anymore knowing the federal government has destroyed its ability to float the system along through more debt. The military would no longer be able to pay its troops and the government would be able to buy weapons at the same time as rapidly rising prices across the board since America wouldn't be producing anything of importance. Energy prices would be insane.
Only a tiny portion of war is kinetic. Thinking one side or the other can win just because they have military power ignores how the real world works. While it isn't guaranteed the weak, urbanites used to luxury and not knowing how to survive without the safety bubble we have created would probably start rioting and resort to raiding and pillaging their neighbors. There would be mass break down. People in rural areas whether left or right know how to survive without the luxuries and have the resources. They usually have important things like oil lamps and back up oil. They also generally have real fireplaces, and their homes aren't designed to require electricity to be habitable.
A civil war would be lost by the left not because of an insurgency, but because of the complete collapse of the systems that maintain the modern world and the government. The insurgency only has to hold their regions as the cities start wrecking themselves and the government's limited resources are turned to put down the rioting and collapse in the cities. There doesn't need to be fighting just thousands of little brush fires that crush the systems of the US.
I don't advocate for this because I don't want to see so many people die, but at the same time I also think it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees and I will never support us becoming slaves to the leftist commie scum.
This is a fantasy based on wishful thinking. Any side that controls all the cities has overwhelming advantages over the countryside in numbers and wealth. If an area "refuses" to provide food then the people get put into POW camps, the farms are requisitioned, and the food flows anyway. There is no organisation of right wingers with the means and willing to destroy huge amounts of infrastructure just off the bat. Most survivalist have advanced plans and how they will run away and hide in the mountains, which plays into left wing hands perfectly as they can effectively be ignored at that point while the left seizes all important resources.
You live a pipedream, soyboy.
You forget that most farms aren't owned by small conservative towns. They're owned by wall street and worked by migrants. The Left hasn't needed the right to feed them since the 70s at least.
If this really happened, the "blue states" would be mostly led by people who are centrists at best. The US doesn't have communists anywhere in the national or local governments just as there aren't any fascists. Most American leftists and rightists are moderates who would oppose a bunch of extremists rising up. If this happened, the US government would win easily and most conservatives would probably support them.
didn’t you make this already? is it just topical right now.
European here: Guys, cut this BS and pull yourselves together. We won't be able to provide you with a Marshall plan in case you actually insist on such a folly. How about we send you some cheese and wine instead, hmm? Polish cheese and Portugese wine, perhaps? That will make you wanna declare war on us instead and solve your domestic conflicts in the face of a real threat. Y'all welcome!
Part of Europe literally declares war on itself every fiftey years. And Port isn't that bad, actually.
@@ulfskinn1458 That's exactly the point, we are all too familiar with where war leads. No need to bring that to your continent, you and your neighbours have a near excellent track record regarding domestic conflicts so far.
@@kamenhristov7756 That's the hope. The ideal scenario is that massive socieo-political change will occur through grassroots democratic process. Massive change without sorrow or strife that accompany civl wars. But the reality is that is not how things work in today's world and most Americans understand that. A good portion of the US population with varying political views is very disastifed with the government at a very fundamental level, and are completely disillusioned with the legal process. Face it, gone are the days when you can meaningfully impact the federal or state government simply by voting. Even senators in sparsely populated constituencies are getting millions thrown at their campaigns by outside organizations. You have courts and federal agencies that have flagrantly operate outside of our Republican system. Meanwhile we have a good chunk of the voter base that doesn't know nor cares to look into what they are actually voting for, and instead relies on brainless political ads broadcasted by bankrolled super PACs and vague notions of party lines drawn from single issues that are often irrelevant in daily life. I think a lot of people have come to the conclusion that while major civil unrest would undoubtedly result in massive tragedy, it might also bring much needed societal change, and very well might be the only way for such change to happen. Remember, the US never would have existed without violent revolution due to political dissatisfaction. As an American, especially one who has ancestry dating back to the revolution, there is a serious pressure that makes you ask "am I doing what is right for my nation?" Of course, I'm not sure. But as an American with at least a basic level of historical literacy I can not deny that many changes that were for the better only emerged from conflict.
This is utterly ridiculous lol. You should just stop. You assume the the military would back the government.
Who pays the military again? Who tells them to go to war? Not the people but the government. In fact, the size of our military reflects the strength of our federal government.
@@vericbasilio your not too bright are you? It's our tax dollars that pay the military. That means your money and mine. Not to mention that most of the military is not left-wing sycophants and in fact most of your military is right of center and likely would not fire or kill fellow Americans. I'm sure there are circumstances where they would but if the government became tyrannical let's say. They would not obey these orders. These are humans with families and don't want to kill their own people. Most of which would likely make up some of these gorillas the op is speaking of. All of it would be very messy but to assume you would have the backing of the military is laughable at best. Also, just for fun, most of your food is grown in these states where these "gorilla" types live so unless you were going to steal the food which would likely sway even more people to their cause. This entire scenario is plausible because what isn't? But completely unlikely and downright ignorant
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But he is correct. The only way there would be a Right wing rebellion (there are many right wing militias) would be if Joe Biden gets into office. This would mean that the social left would have the entire us military at their disposal.
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The fact that the first song has been burned in my mind thanks to Competitive Pokemon Videos (False Swipe Gaming), i cannot take this objectively aahaahhaha.
I all makes American talking about a war like an upcoming patch of a videogame in Gen 9 more than a serious event.
Im going all in, nothing ever happens...
I actually believe the military will split similar to the spanish Civil War while, yes, a right wing general started the war i believe a similar thing will happen in the us where it's a mixture of the army and militias that's fight on both sides
Is this video a re-upload? I feel like I've watched it before earlier this year.
Absolutely brain dead take on afghanistan and vietnam, both nations had segments of the population which supported our efforts in those nations, as evidenced by the fact both had insurgencies after we withdrew. Look at the number of people who fled vietnam.
60 thousand Hmong in Wisconsin, no idea why they come to a cold state.
@@pillarwatchhmong lived in the mountains of laos, mountains are cold.
He is rigth saying that the majority in both countries supported them.
It really doesn’t matter. Once your life is taken you no longer matter.
@monsieur z you and whatifalthist need to do a show together and talk.
You haven't spent much time out of the city, have you?
I live in rural Texas & I agree with the point.
Most of the conservatives here are obese rednecks who can't survive without cigarettes & fast food.
@@SlashinatorZThat's neat and all but when will you stop simping for underage anime girls?
@@PeruvianPotato when will you stop stalking people over drawings?
@@vanivanov9571 Seems you're unfamiliar to the antics of this guy. I recommend watching Nick Nobody's video on him because boy, is there a lot
Sadly you are correct sir
I feel like he may not know what he is talking about
You should debate whatifalthist.
Is this a repost
@@a3cools115 the first postmodern revolutionist?
What’s the solution
Lol a urban conservative thinks he knows conservative gun and war culture
Living in a village doesn't change reality.
@@Matt_Alaric sure……..
@TheBuckeyeHistoryGuy1776 he's nor conservative he's a fence sitter
@@TheBuckeyeHistoryGuy1776 Stunning come back.
@@Matt_Alaric wasn’t the original intent dumbass
Nobody will do anything
Who would win? The US military or the proud boys.
Lmao
"The proud boys are TRUE patriots, unlike our weak liberal military"😂
This guy claimed that Europe Would not support the government of the United States in a civil war if Trump got in because they don't like Trump, not very realistic
I mean I doubt Macron will for example support someone that has been at odds with him for years now.
@@PeruvianPotatoMacron isn't dumb enough to turn down working with the entire United States government just because he doesn't like the president.
Oh, hes not right wing today🙄
We are screwed reguardless.
Fight/dont it doesnt matter
The fix is in period.
don't give up little buddy Napoleon can still make a comeback
@@tuckerbugeater enjoy today r-tard
The machine will turn on your kind eventually too. He's going to "win" the election but it will be stolen. Like the last one. And one day whatever group you fall in will fall out of favor and the exact same machine you're cheering today will devour your group like it's trying to do the conservatives now. You morons really don't understand what you've caused. You say rule of law, but the law died in the sham NY court.
@@tuckerbugeater youtube proves my point by deleting my reply for no reason except that it's true
Hey MonsierZ , Would you make an video of alternative history in where Argentina Was nuked in 1982 ( François Mitterrand claimed than thather would have nuked argentina if he didn't given the codes to desactivve the french rockets than were using the argentines )
Hi poookie
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Former military officer and libertarian. This guy isn’t far off from the truth. I would be curious what the percentage of combat arms are conservative
A shame a lot of this is going over a lot of conservatives heads.
Thanks for pointing this all out again.
Did you watch the recent "Civil War" movie, Mr.Z? Any thoughts on its depiction of a new american civil war?
At some point conflict will be inevitable. But it doesn't have to be a rebellion instigating something. It may be a sheriff's men and armed locals telling DHS agents no.
These videos you do are so important. People don't realise the reality of war and power structures especially in a very developed country with strong law enforcement and many social luxuries that avarage people would be asked to give up to fight against the government.
What If the US/United States 🇺🇸 never annexed Hawaii
It'd be a bigger shithole than it already is.
That's it, that's the video.
Japan would have.
@@pillarwatch hence the invention of nationalism
UK says hi
I disagree the Right has no chance of winning. They could win a defensive conflict. If you want an example there is a perfect one in the Irish Revolution in the 1800s which Southern Ireland won completely and did establish it's own country. All of the institutions were against Ireland, but they had large quantities of weapons, knew how to use them, and were prepared to get their hands dirty in fighting. Even in the 80s the IRA did achieve getting the English to remove the Black and Tans and make other consolidations.
Nobody knows how things would play out, but stockpiling resources does put the Right at a very healthy advantage if things go wrong.
Really don't think you understand how modern warfare works nor the will to fight. Not to mention logistics.
The United States has pulled out of two major wars/conflicts in the past 60 years. Both conflicts were against enemies vastly inferior in technology, resources, and man powerer. And currently control the countries that the US pulled out of.
Looking at the concept of a 2nd civil war, battle lines would still form, however, you assume the military would remain loyal to the government, that is never true in a civil war, the military would split. Where both sides have their issues, as we have seen in the left, they are activists not fighters. Anarchists not revolutionaries. They would run out of supplies and resources as most factory workers would not support their faction same goes for farmers. My greatest example of this would be when the liberals took control of and made the CHOP/CHAZ zone in Portland, Oregon. They starved themselves out in less than a month and dispursed.
Circling back on what I have said in the past, I like your alt history, but you are too enticed with this subject, I practically knew you were going to do another episode about this after the Trump verdict. You either are begging for a 2nd civil war to happen or you are trying to piss people off to see if it starts something, focus on healing the country rather than which side gets to rack up the bigger k/d. In the end, if america collapses every nation will feel it and it will leave room for China to take control and be the world leader with no counter to it and it's ambition.
" when the liberals took control of and made the CHOP/CHAZ zone in Portland, Oregon. They starved themselves out in less than a month and dispursed."
A bunch of idiot kids LARPing at rebellion is not an indictment of the entire left being incapable. The people running most of the major businesses and governments in the western world are all left as well, as are most college educated people across the entire West. They've dominated the media and tech companies for decades for example. Any areas they don't understand they can simply employ people who do, just like Bill Gates is doing right now as he becomes the largest agricultural land owner in the entire world, and his farms aren't going out of business.
You're falling into the trap of despising your enemy, and that's a recipe for failure.