To everyone hating the DC5, just like to remind you the Integra is a track focused car where as others are built for everyday roads. Yes the BMW has more power and R32 has 4wd but dont forget the weight difference. BMW and R32 are like tanks compared to the Integra
We hating on it cause obviously this channel is biased af when it comes to Honda. How tf does the sti, who was in 3rd place eventually starts doing a bunch of wide turns (totally unnecessary) goes from 3rd-6th? Its dumb.
The 147 GTA is so surprisingly fast, I was shocked when I first drove mine. Everyone dismissed it when it was new mainly because of the lack of LSD. But fit a Q2 or Quaife and you have a serious street weapon. Alfa really did well to make a balanced and fun car that handles the power and torque well. Its a shame they used a Selespeed for this, imagine if they had a manual version!
Manages to beat cars with more horsepower with it’s lightweight body and it’s god like cornering ability. Honda back then was just impressive to say the least.
@@cluckinbell1974 There is more then just being fast on the track. Like design, sound, interior quallity, luxury, torque and resale value. I m here just for the ALFA, thoose things are starting to go up in price and are rare
That 130i is screaming for an lsd. Turn in is incredible and even with the teggy, but as soon as it comes to accelerating out of bends it gets dominated
lsd+m3 front control arms + 1m alignment... maybe stiffer shock/spring combo and wheels and tires. Do m package brakes or buy a car with them already, ez track weapon with proper rear wheel drive instead of the dc5. This is coming from a guy who currently has a 335i, but owned 2 dc5's.
2L with 220 hp is a very good power to displacement ratio for naturally aspirated engines. Of course ferrari engines are better but they are much much much more expensive.
My Nam It's in my channel description, main topic is the Honda Type R. Sure you get to see a lot of Silvia's, Skyline's, Impreza's, Evo's in my other uploads, but that's because they were racing against a Honda.
I actually drove many Golfs on the race track (Nürburgring), and I was kinda surprised how good the R32 performed in this video. It is a very top heavy car that is struggling with understeer problems. Also the ESP of the Golf 5th Generation is crap! You can't turn it off, and it makes three things on a race track: 1) it regulates (brakes) to early 2) it is overheating your brakes slowly 3) It does not like curbs (it brakes) And the AWD-System is just the variant with an Haldex clutch. What it does is this: If you are cruising around the only wheels which will be driven by the engine are those in the front. If the car is noticing that the front wheels are loosing traction, it connects the rear wheels to the powertrain. The result is: Very tricky handling on the race track. You have to loose traction to get traction back. Also the AWD adds more weight to the car. The AWD just gives you more traction at: 1) the start 2) when you have tight corners (Tsukuba might be the perfect race track for AWD cars) I was also confused because the Audi has the same engine, the same ESP and the same powertrain. My suspicion is that they managed to deactivate somehow the ESP of the Golf. So the Audi is showing us the real performance. By the way: The VR6 engine of the Golf is in Germany well known for having overheating issues if you drive the car fast. Volkswagen had messed up many things back than. They let Renault took over the trackday cars. But the 7th Gen Golf is finally good again. Nevertheless you get more "bang for bucks" with a Renault RS (Clio and Megane). And notice: The BMW needs a lock differential. If it had that, it would have drove away all the other cars in the field. Too bad that BMWs don't offers lock diffs after 1996, except for the M-cars (M2, M3, M4, M5). Even for the performance models like M235i you don't get a lock differential in your dealership. You are forced to the aftermarket.
The MK7 engine is stronger than the MK6 but the early versions just had problems with their turbos blowing which is sad. The engine itself is stronger than the mk6. Turbo is also bigger and it has a better Haldex system and DSG box.
very competetive with a locking diferential, some Semi slick tires, a aftermarket suspension and performance exhaust and remap. You would be suprised what it can do. I would choose that one, as its very rare, looks good, sounds insanely good and is starting to climb on price
@@klemzale5370The problem with the prices of the Alfa 147 GTA, it's getting on the same levels of a M3 E46 with some asking soon around the same prices. People would go for the E46 M3, it's on a totally different level.
Stick an LSD and some M3 arms and chamber adjustment on the 130i and is the complete car, it’s also a very k20 esque engine as you go rev it to get the power out of it. The noise inside is probably as good as I remember my k20 ep3’s being. I just wish I had the cash to have a k20 and my 130i, do miss the civic a lot, I’ve had 7 of them over the years.
Yes, unfortunately BMW kept this nonsense until the F generation when they introduced the electronic LSD emulation. This utilises the ESP wheel speed sensors to break the spinning tire. Not great but it stops the madness of one tire fire.
@@Slow.S55 You mean out of the corners. An LSD doesn't help you around the actual corner, just helps you get the power down coming out of it without spinning up the inside rear, which the 130i was doing on virtually every turn!
@@soundseeker63 I foolishly leased a more powerful 135i with an "electronic" LSD, which is a gimmick that applies braking to one wheel to simulate an LSD.
The DC5 can still smash hot hatches with higher displacement engines with higher power output or turbos or AWD or FR or the fastest shifting double clutch system on earth. Honda really made a sports car for the track. Really a pity that Honda is known as the brand of choice for ricers with fart canons everywhere outside of Japan.
edge21str If you drive a honda the problem is you probably have a baseball cap backwards and listen to limp biscuit, nothing has changed is the last 15 years, even more troubling is they were right. The type r in civic, integra or NSX they have always been the best and the flow on from that most standard vtec cars were great cars but with a poddy and big bore sounded mean and did go alot better but they fucken handle better than most other cars.
zpe1200 and now the latest Civic type R comes out with Turbo and spanks every car in its range plus more.. ah shame for the retards who thought Honda forgot how to build a fast track car.
edge21str Nah it cant....Megane RS is about 40 seconds per lap faster than Integra around Nurburgring. That's a HUGE difference. Besides, even in this battel the R32 was only 0.2 sec slower in the hot lapping, and it didn't have the best track focused tires, not to mention how bare and stripped out the Integra is and how much more comfortable, luxurious, equipped, refined, etc. the Golf, A3, 130i and 147 in this battle are.
People are but hurt so badly lmfao. Don't judge by them racing each other! They're just having fun. Judge it by the attack times. Regardless, your favorite car lost. Deal with it.
Alfa 147 GTA for me, any day. Rare, good looking and one of the best sounding engines out there. And its starting to apprechiate in value and will continue to do so
It's the V6 JTS engine that came after the GTA which was a GM engine. It's found in the 159 and Brera. Not the worst engine in the world but it was no Busso.
Interesting to see the podgy GTA outlast both R32 and S3. Classy performer. Surprised the 130i hung on to 1st place for so long, its quite a unique layout for a hatchback. Great win in the DC5. Wish Honda still had balls to makes cars like that.
The Civic is now replacing the Integra since many generations, as the Civics were always growing bigger. No point in having to fwd models of the same size. The new Civic R is amazing, Honda still doing what they're good at.
Excellent battle, inte r pulled it off at the last second! The hatchies seem to lack at cornering and corner exit acceleration it would seem and thats kinda what track/sport cars excel at
Power_of_R Integra is tuned for the track specifically, it's very hard, stripped out, hardcore, etc. Golf, A3, 1 series and 147 are infinitely more luxurious, equipped, refined, comfortable, etc. They're the complete package, not just a track car. Besides, these were not really the best hot hatches...in fact...they didn't use the best hot hatches at all. This was an A3 not S3, Golf R was pretty bad back then, 130i is a regular model, 147 GTA was old as fuck. A Megane RS would have wiped the floor with this entire line up.
derbigpr500 This race was done way back in 2006. Any Megane back then would have been smashed by the Integra. S3 is too expensive to be considered as a competitor to the Integra, and the Integra especially the refreshed model in this video is very comfortable and soft.
+Himmel Weint Actually the fastest Megane in 2006 was an R26, and that thing went around Nurburgring in less than 8:20, that's far faster than any Honda FWD, and comparable to the NSX.
Pitty on those people who blame the drivers for the lost of their favorite car. Like the r32, vw pips are hating hattori for the lost not knowing the car in the video was an automatic version. Also peole here think that a 250+ hp car will perform the same after several race laps not considering tire wear and tire progression (as seen with the r32). And people here think that a particular car they drive is the best when they only drive it on the streets (or race on straight lines) while these car in the video were driven to their limits in extreme condition. So don't expect a car to behave the same on the streets and the track. Cheers!
yes DSG version and the car "missshift twice as the Hondus passed" I laugh my ass off... or the A3 standing on the brake at corner exit to make sure the Hondus can pass him... best motoring is and will be forever the most biased car show on earth... luckly today we have other honest japanese car magazines testing time attack at Tsukuba and surprise surprise... foreign cars do MUCH better ... just a example in a best motoring track battle the new 2015 Civic Type R beat the Megane Trophy R ... in a other car magazine test the Megane Trophy R (exactly the same car delivered by Renault) beat the shit out of the new Civic Type R.... and BTW this car magazine was over one second QUICKER with the Civic Type R than best motoring around Tsukuba (quality driver or willing driver) and the Megane still whopped the Type R ass.... the current lap record for production street legal cars at Tsukuba is not in the hand of Nismo GT-R or any other JDM that best motroing let always win... it is in the hand of the Porsche 991 GT3 RS... tested by a more serious car magazine
+nagmashot there goes my point. the dsg r32 missed shifted thats why it got passed so driver was really not to be blamed. serious magazines? i'd rather watch the video than read magazines with just pictures and does not show the real action. they will just write numbers, results and pictures but not the whole pictures. im not saying honda is the best rather the way people like you think that a paricular car will always be the best car until its proven otherwise under a different testing or experiment. like for example people who watch too much top gear (which test cars in only 1 lap for a lap time) think that the results in that show will be the same with BMI which test cars in a race with several laps. so tires, weather, track temperature, break wear etc. will factor in the BMI test. that will yield to different result. please don't use the megane and CTR as an example. we all know that the renault is twice the price but the performance is not that far.do search other videos (european test) not bmi ones and see how they match up
@@nagmashot I recall best motoring trying the megane trophy and the fk2 on the mountain track and the megane won. I recall seeing track videos like these where the foreign cars won. I know it's tempting to think they fix the races but then they at least make exceptions sometimes.
@@Alkhoholic The other magazines do also videos of their time attack run and they are on youtube...welcome to search function... The Megane RS twice the price ? Megane RS start at ~34.000€ the Megane RS Tropy at 38.500€ a Civic Type R starts ~35.000€ and the Type R GT at ~38.000€ ... sounds for me equal Seriously dude ur blabla only showes u have no clue at all
Exacly my tought and manual transmission. If it had a aftermarket suspension, semi slick tires and exhaust+ remap it would be very interesting heer is a video, enjoy ruclips.net/video/aaO5IrBB3NI/видео.html
DC5 has always had a reputation for being awesome on track. 2 VAG cars with boat anchors up front and an auto box are never going to be as good in tight stuff. I can't comment on the Alfa and the BMW needs a diff to reign in the power. Fun video. I enjoyed it.
Awesome video Miroshi! You guys have a lot of fun...honto! I have a stock 05 Type S with intake, exhaust, Stage 3 clutch and coilovers, and it's a blast driving up and down the Idyllwild mountains. (I'm thinking about adding a turbo)
everyone hating on the type r is hilarious honda have put incredible driver focus in all their cars especially type r's and they show for it by beating more expensive or "better" cars as many falsely believe. i strongly believe the type r is the strongest track focus car there and to me thats the most fun too. i dont care for luxurious cars like bmw or vw
There are a billion things that affect weight and a billion things that affect overall performance. Its obsurd to claim that the 130i lost only because of 2 extra doors and a sunroof
@@averyvasquez8153 it's lost because of the driver. Japanese people don't know how to drive RWD properly 😉 cmon just look at the driving line and spinning wheels...
@@wojtek_sanitarnikBold claim there. Japanese people practically pioneered the best RWD techniques. A FWD and a RWD car will have different drivelines to accomidate the different characteristics of the vehicle's drivetrain layout. FWD and RWD utilize different parts of the corner more effectively than others resulting in different drivelines.
@@wojtek_sanitarnik its spinning wheels because of the lack of lsd. You do realize that the guy driving it used to be one of the fastest racers in japan? FR is his speciality.
yesss alfa 147 busso !! so where are the haters ?? it's a fwd gna gna gna , too much power for the chassis gna gna gna best lap with a stock gta selespeed in city mode.. put it in sport with a quaife and "buonanotte a tutti"! alfa the best
Looking at the Time Attack though the R32 is a tough competitor for the Type R. But the R32 has an excellent reputation for its class and that year is AWD.
Big handicap, but hey what can you do Manual ,and Quave LSD + SS Tires and that thing starts to perform very good, and then there is the factor of engien sound and design, and not to menthion how rare that thing is compared to the other mass produced cars, its starting to become expensive
The selespeed box in manual mode is faster than the standard 6 spd manual lol. Almost every one of the Japanese GTA cars had this box fitted. It actually works surprisingly well if people dont drive it like a true automatic.
The Golf R32 seems capable to actually get the first place had it not been for miss shifts. It's TA record and best lap gives off some clue. 147 GTA is kinda strong in the top end.
@@TassieLorenzo old comment to reply on, but not sure either, the subs are implying so. Probably wrong shift point though and doesn't seem to want shift down one or two times, should've worded my side better
Integra won because it's lighter and better balanced. The other cars probably start overheating tires and brakes after a few laps and that's when the teggy shows it's strenght.
Nah because it's set up for track, the 130i is incredibly balanced as well, the stock set up is just not for track driving. A bit more camber and an LSD and it would rape the teggy
The BGM match the era, miss the 2000's so much. Does anyone know the artist or song? Great demonstration of cars, showing their respective pluses and minuses.
I was kinda hoping the 130i could pull it off but it’s just a slightly more powerful one series at the end of the day, not sure if it has stiffer suspension compared to the slower models. Also I believe the A3 and the Golf R32 have the same VR6 engine but the Golf R32 is more tuned for handling and grip while again, the A3 is just a more powerful hatchback. Of course the Integra would win since it’s a purpose built car that is well known for being extremely good handling and fast around a track.
Not really a fair match for the 147 gta, it is a selespeed version which is slower than the manual version and it was not driven in sport mode either so it was short shifting with slower shifts than it is actually capable of. Ive driven the r32 golf, Honda integra type r and the 147 GTA and i can tell you that i properly specced gta with destroy those cars on the straights and wont be left in the corners either, i actually bought a 156 gta and currently own a highly tuned GT 3.2 Autodelta which is effectively a 147 gta long wheelbase and i regularly go toe to toe with faster cars on the track with cars like my friends 2015 bmw m4 which to my amusement and his irritation cannot keep up with the gt in the wet and is well matched in the dry.
I think the decision to not use sport mode was to make it more fair to the other cars. You are wrong about the manual being faster, Selespeed in sport mode can shift way faster than any human.
@@ArmySigs If you read what was actually written i said that the selespeed equipped car is slower than its manual version. i'm not doing the age old manual vs auto argument made by idiots who have plentiful lack of knowledge in the field of engineering. The selespeed Equipped car is slower due to its extra weight, slower than average changes in its normal mode and its revised gear ratio which effects acceleration noticeably. Unlike most commenters i have studied motorsports engineering, have worked with top level teams and i can list numerous reasons on why selespeed is seriously flawed mechanically with the maths to back it up, i will give you a basic explanation why the sele is slower. While the sele is in sports mode it shifts at 500ms, that is about as fast as a well driven manual also at around 500ms (average human) so it's not any faster if both gearboxes are driven perfectly. However in normal mode the sele shifts at around 750ms which is considered a slow shift even by manual gearbox standards and the selespeed also can get overwhelmed during downshifts due to software and solenoid issues both of which are well documented. i suspect a manual GTA can comfortably shift at around 400ms when driven by a professional racer but that's a guess with little to go off. Fun fact the fastest manual gear shift is around 250ms (GTE Race cars) whereas the fastest auto shifts at 8ms (Bugatti veyron DSG) The manual car weights around 1380KG whereas the Sele weighs around 1410KG, with the gear ratio taken into account (shorter final drive) it roughly equates to a 0.3 difference in 0-60mph and 0.7 difference at 0-100 mph when compared to the manual. So the sele shifts slower when driven professionally, it weighs more giving it a lower power to weight ratio and it has a slower gear ratio and this affects the acceleration badly on the track. I looked at both gearbox options for my 3.7 autodelta GT when i was building it for the track and the manual worked out to be far superior, reliable and has little needed to make it better at a much lower price.
I'd love to see a video about your GT. 😍 Im the owner of GT 3.2 too and I agree its a brilliant car. With Q2, good tires and Bilstein B12 Pro Kit suspension it juuust mooves. Lovely car!
The Integra is a track focused, lightweight car with absolutely no amenities or spec inside it for everyday use. All of the other cars are loaded up with kit, which adds weight but makes all of them better day to day. However the one car that is missing from this era (2006) is the Megane R26, and I'm pretty confident it would walk this.
A JDM Type R maybe, but anywhere else in the world good luck getting your hands on that. The Type S was the final version of the Integra and they got the balance right IMHO. If I had to trade I would love a DC2 Type R but with no air-con? Summer is brutal in Australia, driving a car in 45°C heat with no air-con? I'll keep the Type S thanks 😉
@@DasGigPig I had a dc2 for 13 years , but you are damn right I made sure it had the air con option ! I Even had the 6 speaker stereo installed later but to be honest I wasted my time there as I could never really hear it! As a side note we have crap winters in the UK and when it was snowing or icy it was a death trap. Still get a Type R , after a few years in a BMW I am considering another one...
@@dylanweise4802 The 0-100 is not everything my friend also the bmw has a 3-liter engine without turbo plus rear wheel drive instead the integra DC5 only has a 2-liter engine without turbo and Front wheel drive, The type-R is a better car for corners and track performance, the 130 is more comfortable but its a really nice car .
Dylan Weise your everywhere in comment section talking about how your 130i would beat the DC5. Lmao Jesus how insecure you must be to be spamming that everywhere.
Alright, somebody is scared of Audi. It is so stupid that they didn't use rs3 or even s3 regardless the big displacement engine. Each division has different level of performance and a STOCK a3 is definitely a town car. It is a pathetic choice when at the same time, its opponents are r32 golf, integra type R and 130iM. Overall it is very disrespectful...at least they remembered quattro...
if that was an m135i (which is a top model hatch from bmw) that integra would get smoked on the straight, no doubt. also, why not use audi s3? it was out in 2006. and to top it off, finding a 147 gta with selespeed is almost impossible, idk how they did it. integra is good, without doubt, but serious performers from europe could wipe their asses with an integra, so i call absolute bullshit.
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i absolutely love how much fun these guys are having. so entertaining to watch
Yeah bro me too
Especially 130i driver :D
To everyone hating the DC5, just like to remind you the Integra is a track focused car where as others are built for everyday roads. Yes the BMW has more power and R32 has 4wd but dont forget the weight difference. BMW and R32 are like tanks compared to the Integra
Bash khan Correct. Also if there were a real tank in this race it would win before the race starts.
I drive a dc5 and its cornering is mindbending .
Good to hear Steve! :)
thanks for stating the obvious.
We hating on it cause obviously this channel is biased af when it comes to Honda. How tf does the sti, who was in 3rd place eventually starts doing a bunch of wide turns (totally unnecessary) goes from 3rd-6th? Its dumb.
The 147 GTA is so surprisingly fast, I was shocked when I first drove mine. Everyone dismissed it when it was new mainly because of the lack of LSD. But fit a Q2 or Quaife and you have a serious street weapon. Alfa really did well to make a balanced and fun car that handles the power and torque well. Its a shame they used a Selespeed for this, imagine if they had a manual version!
Around a race track the Selespeed is faster. It shifts in around 0.5s just a tenth slower than a VW dual clutch system.
And the sound of the Busso...
I believe on the GTA's the Selespeed is essentially the same as the one from a Maserati? Whereas other Alfa Selespeed systems at the time were poorer.
@RichardABW it's essentially the same system as the Ferrari 360, not sure about Maserati but I wouldn't be surprised if it was shared there as well
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Only here for the Type R
shows you are a boring fucker.
Manages to beat cars with more horsepower with it’s lightweight body and it’s god like cornering ability. Honda back then was just impressive to say the least.
@@cluckinbell1974 There is more then just being fast on the track. Like design, sound, interior quallity, luxury, torque and resale value. I m here just for the ALFA, thoose things are starting to go up in price and are rare
Klem Zale Indeed. Italian design will always be envied.
@@klemzale5370 to bad they look like piss
That 130i is screaming for an lsd. Turn in is incredible and even with the teggy, but as soon as it comes to accelerating out of bends it gets dominated
lsd+m3 front control arms + 1m alignment... maybe stiffer shock/spring combo and wheels and tires. Do m package brakes or buy a car with them already, ez track weapon with proper rear wheel drive instead of the dc5. This is coming from a guy who currently has a 335i, but owned 2 dc5's.
@@fry.master have you owned the 130i?
@@jeppeniller1106 I have owned two 135i’s. One widebody/1m converted, and one stock chassis. both decent cars
K20 the best mass produced engines of all time!
Said no one ever.
squala the butthurt is strong with this one.
2L with 220 hp is a very good power to displacement ratio for naturally aspirated engines. Of course ferrari engines are better but they are much much much more expensive.
Eh, I'd say the GM LS is also a pretty good contender.
The LS isnt really that special, it displaces over 6 liters
This is a new video. Have fun. The DC5 rules the race once again.
***** cool race thanks for new vids, but could you also post more cars than just Hondas?
My Nam u must be new here, tell em miroshi
My Nam sorry, that's not going to happen lol
My Nam It's in my channel description, main topic is the Honda Type R. Sure you get to see a lot of Silvia's, Skyline's, Impreza's, Evo's in my other uploads, but that's because they were racing against a Honda.
I never get tired of hondas,specially on type Rs👍👍👌👌👌 Honda ftw,love you japan
I actually drove many Golfs on the race track (Nürburgring), and I was kinda surprised how good the R32 performed in this video. It is a very top heavy car that is struggling with understeer problems. Also the ESP of the Golf 5th Generation is crap! You can't turn it off, and it makes three things on a race track:
1) it regulates (brakes) to early
2) it is overheating your brakes slowly
3) It does not like curbs (it brakes)
And the AWD-System is just the variant with an Haldex clutch. What it does is this:
If you are cruising around the only wheels which will be driven by the engine are those in the front. If the car is noticing that the front wheels are loosing traction, it connects the rear wheels to the powertrain. The result is: Very tricky handling on the race track. You have to loose traction to get traction back.
Also the AWD adds more weight to the car. The AWD just gives you more traction at:
1) the start
2) when you have tight corners (Tsukuba might be the perfect race track for AWD cars)
I was also confused because the Audi has the same engine, the same ESP and the same powertrain. My suspicion is that they managed to deactivate somehow the ESP of the Golf. So the Audi is showing us the real performance.
By the way: The VR6 engine of the Golf is in Germany well known for having overheating issues if you drive the car fast.
Volkswagen had messed up many things back than. They let Renault took over the trackday cars. But the 7th Gen Golf is finally good again. Nevertheless you get more "bang for bucks" with a Renault RS (Clio and Megane).
And notice: The BMW needs a lock differential. If it had that, it would have drove away all the other cars in the field. Too bad that BMWs don't offers lock diffs after 1996, except for the M-cars (M2, M3, M4, M5). Even for the performance models like M235i you don't get a lock differential in your dealership. You are forced to the aftermarket.
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eath nowen sounds like he knows his stuff tbh
Alfa also needs an LSD
The MK7 engine is stronger than the MK6 but the early versions just had problems with their turbos blowing which is sad. The engine itself is stronger than the mk6. Turbo is also bigger and it has a better Haldex system and DSG box.
@Mona mk7 golf r hqa incredibly strong internals, where did you get your info it can't take any power?
That GTA though
I'm impressed with how competitive the alfa was. I wasn't expecting much
very competetive with a locking diferential, some Semi slick tires, a aftermarket suspension and performance exhaust and remap. You would be suprised what it can do.
I would choose that one, as its very rare, looks good, sounds insanely good and is starting to climb on price
@@klemzale5370The problem with the prices of the Alfa 147 GTA, it's getting on the same levels of a M3 E46 with some asking soon around the same prices. People would go for the E46 M3, it's on a totally different level.
Another lap and the 147 GTA...
Look at the lap times, the Honda was quicker on the fastest lap.
Them DC5s are something special..dame it
That Alfa looks soooooooo nice. I was expecting it to be rubbish on track, put apparently this was not the case.
An Alfa Romeo will never disappoint you to drive, even the slowest version
Remember.
@@mrfrancy0154But the reliability will surely disappoint you 😅
Stick an LSD and some M3 arms and chamber adjustment on the 130i and is the complete car, it’s also a very k20 esque engine as you go rev it to get the power out of it. The noise inside is probably as good as I remember my k20 ep3’s being. I just wish I had the cash to have a k20 and my 130i, do miss the civic a lot, I’ve had 7 of them over the years.
This is a real car review what we all want. Love to keep having such video for todays cars
Ito noted the BMW's differential was not working. Actually 130i Sport does not come with LSD at all, which seems crazy for 190kW sporty hatch.
Yes, unfortunately BMW kept this nonsense until the F generation when they introduced the electronic LSD emulation. This utilises the ESP wheel speed sensors to break the spinning tire. Not great but it stops the madness of one tire fire.
Would it be way faster if that 130i has LSD?
@@f00kinglasrsights89 Around corners yeee
@@Slow.S55 You mean out of the corners. An LSD doesn't help you around the actual corner, just helps you get the power down coming out of it without spinning up the inside rear, which the 130i was doing on virtually every turn!
@@soundseeker63 I foolishly leased a more powerful 135i with an "electronic" LSD, which is a gimmick that applies braking to one wheel to simulate an LSD.
130i M needs a diff
It simply had small wheels and tyres. Should have been a 19inch spec. But the diff might have been a problem too.
And that is why my favourite car is the Integra Type R both the DC2 and DC5
Alfa with the Selespeed in "City" mode on race track ... Hmm
How do you know?
@@DayTreaper at 4:53
Alfa is big shit.
@@bleJko00 I don't think so: it almost paired with bmw which was a lot more recent project
@@bleJko00 147 take the best lap
The DC5 can still smash hot hatches with higher displacement engines with higher power output or turbos or AWD or FR or the fastest shifting double clutch system on earth. Honda really made a sports car for the track. Really a pity that Honda is known as the brand of choice for ricers with fart canons everywhere outside of Japan.
edge21str If you drive a honda the problem is you probably have a baseball cap backwards and listen to limp biscuit, nothing has changed is the last 15 years, even more troubling is they were right. The type r in civic, integra or NSX they have always been the best and the flow on from that most standard vtec cars were great cars but with a poddy and big bore sounded mean and did go alot better but they fucken handle better than most other cars.
zpe1200 Good analogy. But now the baseball cap is still back to front but the music is some new wave shite hop hip like Kendrik Lamar.
zpe1200 and now the latest Civic type R comes out with Turbo and spanks every car in its range plus more.. ah shame for the retards who thought Honda forgot how to build a fast track car.
Amun TOO It will be interesting to see what the modding community can do with the new Type R on the Touge.
edge21str Nah it cant....Megane RS is about 40 seconds per lap faster than Integra around Nurburgring. That's a HUGE difference. Besides, even in this battel the R32 was only 0.2 sec slower in the hot lapping, and it didn't have the best track focused tires, not to mention how bare and stripped out the Integra is and how much more comfortable, luxurious, equipped, refined, etc. the Golf, A3, 130i and 147 in this battle are.
DC5R started in the back.and finished all the way in the front!
People are but hurt so badly lmfao. Don't judge by them racing each other! They're just having fun. Judge it by the attack times. Regardless, your favorite car lost. Deal with it.
And the Honda lost.
@@thesis4349 did it now?
Front wheel light weight dc5 was destroying those corners straight away was different great vid 👍
Alfa 147 GTA for me, any day. Rare, good looking and one of the best sounding engines out there.
And its starting to apprechiate in value and will continue to do so
It's a GM engine, no?
@@thesis4349 What? It has absolutely nothing to do with GM or anything produced in USA for that matter. 147 GTA has Busso V6.
@@thesis4349 The diesel has GM engine
@@alexhawes6690 what? Hell no!
All cars on Fiat group, FCA, use their own engines (at least here on europe)
All diesel engines on Alfa are from Fiat
It's the V6 JTS engine that came after the GTA which was a GM engine. It's found in the 159 and Brera. Not the worst engine in the world but it was no Busso.
But the 130i bravely honored the second place ... held the first until the pilot missed! haha
Was so hoping for it to win 😂.
Honda should really bring back the Integra to the market! Because it is such a great car!!!
Ray Tsang new type r duh...
They should remake the same car! I will buy it ASAP!!!
Errrm katycat that's a civic duh
Interesting to see the podgy GTA outlast both R32 and S3. Classy performer. Surprised the 130i hung on to 1st place for so long, its quite a unique layout for a hatchback. Great win in the DC5. Wish Honda still had balls to makes cars like that.
The Civic is now replacing the Integra since many generations, as the Civics were always growing bigger. No point in having to fwd models of the same size.
The new Civic R is amazing, Honda still doing what they're good at.
So I guess the 147 GTA is the winner of the battle ?
and it was in "city" gearbox mode
Wonder if it has the q2
@@wheresmycheese8511 no it doesn't
It’s faster than the Type-R
@@155stw on straight yes, it end on turn
dc5 is a great car!!
no..
@@dylanweise4802 yes..
Bob Robber My 130i would fucking walk that shit up a straight
@@dylanweise4802 how bout a corner? Would it still "fuck it up"?
Bob Robber Yup easy, specially mine with race rear toe and control arms, and coilovers with 265/45 rear wheels and 255/45 at the fronts..
The 147 GTA with a manual and a LSD would demolish the competition. But stock it was kind of shit. Which make it more impressive in this race.
Excellent battle, inte r pulled it off at the last second! The hatchies seem to lack at cornering and corner exit acceleration it would seem and thats kinda what track/sport cars excel at
Power_of_R Integra is tuned for the track specifically, it's very hard, stripped out, hardcore, etc. Golf, A3, 1 series and 147 are infinitely more luxurious, equipped, refined, comfortable, etc. They're the complete package, not just a track car. Besides, these were not really the best hot hatches...in fact...they didn't use the best hot hatches at all. This was an A3 not S3, Golf R was pretty bad back then, 130i is a regular model, 147 GTA was old as fuck. A Megane RS would have wiped the floor with this entire line up.
derbigpr500 This race was done way back in 2006. Any Megane back then would have been smashed by the Integra. S3 is too expensive to be considered as a competitor to the Integra, and the Integra especially the refreshed model in this video is very comfortable and soft.
derbigpr500 What the fuck?! Tuned for the track? Very hard, stripped out? Get your shit right.
Pao S because Type R.
+Himmel Weint Actually the fastest Megane in 2006 was an R26, and that thing went around Nurburgring in less than 8:20, that's far faster than any Honda FWD, and comparable to the NSX.
Pitty on those people who blame the drivers for the lost of their favorite car. Like the r32, vw pips are hating hattori for the lost not knowing the car in the video was an automatic version. Also peole here think that a 250+ hp car will perform the same after several race laps not considering tire wear and tire progression (as seen with the r32). And people here think that a particular car they drive is the best when they only drive it on the streets (or race on straight lines) while these car in the video were driven to their limits in extreme condition. So don't expect a car to behave the same on the streets and the track. Cheers!
yes DSG version and the car "missshift twice as the Hondus passed" I laugh my ass off... or the A3 standing on the brake at corner exit to make sure the Hondus can pass him...
best motoring is and will be forever the most biased car show on earth... luckly today we have other honest japanese car magazines testing time attack at Tsukuba and surprise surprise... foreign cars do MUCH better ...
just a example in a best motoring track battle the new 2015 Civic Type R beat the Megane Trophy R ... in a other car magazine test the Megane Trophy R (exactly the same car delivered by Renault) beat the shit out of the new Civic Type R.... and BTW this car magazine was over one second QUICKER with the Civic Type R than best motoring around Tsukuba (quality driver or willing driver) and the Megane still whopped the Type R ass.... the current lap record for production street legal cars at Tsukuba is not in the hand of Nismo GT-R or any other JDM that best motroing let always win... it is in the hand of the Porsche 991 GT3 RS... tested by a more serious car magazine
+nagmashot there goes my point. the dsg r32 missed shifted thats why it got passed so driver was really not to be blamed. serious magazines? i'd rather watch the video than read magazines with just pictures and does not show the real action. they will just write numbers, results and pictures but not the whole pictures.
im not saying honda is the best rather the way people like you think that a paricular car will always be the best car until its proven otherwise under a different testing or experiment. like for example people who watch too much top gear (which test cars in only 1 lap for a lap time) think that the results in that show will be the same with BMI which test cars in a race with several laps. so tires, weather, track temperature, break wear etc. will factor in the BMI test. that will yield to different result.
please don't use the megane and CTR as an example. we all know that the renault is twice the price but the performance is not that far.do search other videos (european test) not bmi ones and see how they match up
@@nagmashot I recall best motoring trying the megane trophy and the fk2 on the mountain track and the megane won. I recall seeing track videos like these where the foreign cars won. I know it's tempting to think they fix the races but then they at least make exceptions sometimes.
@@nagmashot, amazingly the Alfa missed a shift too! And only in Best Motoring.
@@Alkhoholic The other magazines do also videos of their time attack run and they are on youtube...welcome to search function... The Megane RS twice the price ? Megane RS start at ~34.000€ the Megane RS Tropy at 38.500€ a Civic Type R starts ~35.000€ and the Type R GT at ~38.000€ ... sounds for me equal
Seriously dude ur blabla only showes u have no clue at all
That 130i is 🔥.definitely getting me one
This race had me smiling all the way to the end gotta give props to that honda tho
I would liked to see the 147 Gta with a Lsd diff, I guess the final result would had been much better.
Exacly my tought and manual transmission.
If it had a aftermarket suspension, semi slick tires and exhaust+ remap it would be very interesting
heer is a video, enjoy
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@@klemzale5370 Ah yes, if it had massive upgrades it would be way better, thanks Sherlock!
Still it was the fastest on track
DC5 has always had a reputation for being awesome on track. 2 VAG cars with boat anchors up front and an auto box are never going to be as good in tight stuff. I can't comment on the Alfa and the BMW needs a diff to reign in the power. Fun video. I enjoyed it.
Very nice race , from start to finish , all of them premium cars
Wow, im surprised the S204 set down that time, in a different league!
The song at the start is Seasick while Standing Still by Staring Back
Awesome video Miroshi! You guys have a lot of fun...honto! I have a stock 05 Type S with intake, exhaust, Stage 3 clutch and coilovers, and it's a blast driving up and down the Idyllwild mountains. (I'm thinking about adding a turbo)
That post hardcore music in the intro was 🔥
Type R 🙏🏼
everyone hating on the type r is hilarious honda have put incredible driver focus in all their cars especially type r's and they show for it by beating more expensive or "better" cars as many falsely believe. i strongly believe the type r is the strongest track focus car there and to me thats the most fun too. i dont care for luxurious cars like bmw or vw
You call a 1 series luxurious ?😂😂😂
3:24 side by sido 😀
Integra R is weak at straight, but king at corners
Yeah for those who say Hondas cant turn... lol we saw what their brands doing xD
Dc5 for life :):):):):) awesome video
thanks miroshi!
Could the 147 win if it were manual?
The 147 was possibly the most impressive performer. If it was the manual it would bem certanly even faster!
Yes, that miss shift from the selespeed really hurt it early on. With a manual and a Q2 LSD fitted it would have been quite a bit faster.
@@Jaredscott89 mhm, it could easily get 2nd place or maybe even 1st
The inteR has noticeable better lines running in these curves than the hatchs.
Thanks for the SUB miroshi
1st time I see a JDM-Spec RHD BMW, Audi, VW and Alfa Romeo
The 130i is 4 doors and sunroof. That weight affects the acceleration of the car.
The run flat tyres and open diff are shyte - 130i with LSD and proper tyres would have won
There are a billion things that affect weight and a billion things that affect overall performance. Its obsurd to claim that the 130i lost only because of 2 extra doors and a sunroof
@@averyvasquez8153 it's lost because of the driver. Japanese people don't know how to drive RWD properly 😉 cmon just look at the driving line and spinning wheels...
@@wojtek_sanitarnikBold claim there. Japanese people practically pioneered the best RWD techniques. A FWD and a RWD car will have different drivelines to accomidate the different characteristics of the vehicle's drivetrain layout. FWD and RWD utilize different parts of the corner more effectively than others resulting in different drivelines.
@@wojtek_sanitarnik its spinning wheels because of the lack of lsd. You do realize that the guy driving it used to be one of the fastest racers in japan? FR is his speciality.
The Honda machine dc5 is still the best fwd platform in the world , 2.0 NA 🤘🤘🤘🌻
What about the mazdaspeed 3 or just regular Mazda 3 hatchback?... that would of been 🔥
yesss alfa 147 busso !!
so where are the haters ?? it's a fwd gna gna gna , too much power for the chassis gna gna gna
best lap with a stock gta selespeed in city mode.. put it in sport with a quaife and "buonanotte a tutti"!
alfa the best
Looking at the Time Attack though the R32 is a tough competitor for the Type R. But the R32 has an excellent reputation for its class and that year is AWD.
Yes .. R32 is the best among this group .. Great start, and sure it's faster than 130i .. the driver is unlucky 😢
The inside sound of the DC5 compared to the A3 ! 😂
VTEC just kicked in yoo 💨💨💨
that laugh as he overtakes on the final straight
Why was the 147 GTA an auto, but of a handicap there for Alfa
Big handicap, but hey what can you do
Manual ,and Quave LSD + SS Tires and that thing starts to perform very good, and then there is the factor of engien sound and design, and not to menthion how rare that thing is compared to the other mass produced cars, its starting to become expensive
The selespeed box in manual mode is faster than the standard 6 spd manual lol. Almost every one of the Japanese GTA cars had this box fitted. It actually works surprisingly well if people dont drive it like a true automatic.
@@tomwebb7091 it was in city mode....
@@miralemnermina142 i didnt sat it wasnt. Im just saying the selespeed box isnt as bad as some make out and it is what it is 👍
@@tomwebb7091 that's what I'm saying too lol, it was in city mode and still did very well
All loving cars just amazing
Glad I have a DC5
The Golf R32 seems capable to actually get the first place had it not been for miss shifts. It's TA record and best lap gives off some clue. 147 GTA is kinda strong in the top end.
It's a DSG, how can it miss shifts? :)
@@TassieLorenzo old comment to reply on, but not sure either, the subs are implying so. Probably wrong shift point though and doesn't seem to want shift down one or two times, should've worded my side better
きんちゃんがカメラカーとしてかなりいい仕事してる笑
同感です。邪魔せず縦横無尽に👍
Cool video thx for posting.
Tsuchiya Keiichi san drove once same car which I’ve got! I’m so happy, greeting to Rising Sun from Poland
Integra won because it's lighter and better balanced. The other cars probably start overheating tires and brakes after a few laps and that's when the teggy shows it's strenght.
Nah because it's set up for track, the 130i is incredibly balanced as well, the stock set up is just not for track driving. A bit more camber and an LSD and it would rape the teggy
The BGM match the era, miss the 2000's so much. Does anyone know the artist or song? Great demonstration of cars, showing their respective pluses and minuses.
that type R is light like a feather and race oriented ... no brake fade from lap to lap.
who else raced these cars on Tsukuba on their PSP?
I was kinda hoping the 130i could pull it off but it’s just a slightly more powerful one series at the end of the day, not sure if it has stiffer suspension compared to the slower models. Also I believe the A3 and the Golf R32 have the same VR6 engine but the Golf R32 is more tuned for handling and grip while again, the A3 is just a more powerful hatchback. Of course the Integra would win since it’s a purpose built car that is well known for being extremely good handling and fast around a track.
Audi s3 is more tuned for handling and grip. And the motor is too heavy.
130i driver was driving the hell out that shit✊🏾👽
Not really a fair match for the 147 gta, it is a selespeed version which is slower than the manual version and it was not driven in sport mode either so it was short shifting with slower shifts than it is actually capable of. Ive driven the r32 golf, Honda integra type r and the 147 GTA and i can tell you that i properly specced gta with destroy those cars on the straights and wont be left in the corners either, i actually bought a 156 gta and currently own a highly tuned GT 3.2 Autodelta which is effectively a 147 gta long wheelbase and i regularly go toe to toe with faster cars on the track with cars like my friends 2015 bmw m4 which to my amusement and his irritation cannot keep up with the gt in the wet and is well matched in the dry.
I think the decision to not use sport mode was to make it more fair to the other cars. You are wrong about the manual being faster, Selespeed in sport mode can shift way faster than any human.
@@ArmySigs If you read what was actually written i said that the selespeed equipped car is slower than its manual version. i'm not doing the age old manual vs auto argument made by idiots who have plentiful lack of knowledge in the field of engineering. The selespeed Equipped car is slower due to its extra weight, slower than average changes in its normal mode and its revised gear ratio which effects acceleration noticeably.
Unlike most commenters i have studied motorsports engineering, have worked with top level teams and i can list numerous reasons on why selespeed is seriously flawed mechanically with the maths to back it up, i will give you a basic explanation why the sele is slower.
While the sele is in sports mode it shifts at 500ms, that is about as fast as a well driven manual also at around 500ms (average human) so it's not any faster if both gearboxes are driven perfectly. However in normal mode the sele shifts at around 750ms which is considered a slow shift even by manual gearbox standards and the selespeed also can get overwhelmed during downshifts due to software and solenoid issues both of which are well documented. i suspect a manual GTA can comfortably shift at around 400ms when driven by a professional racer but that's a guess with little to go off. Fun fact the fastest manual gear shift is around 250ms (GTE Race cars) whereas the fastest auto shifts at 8ms (Bugatti veyron DSG)
The manual car weights around 1380KG whereas the Sele weighs around 1410KG, with the gear ratio taken into account (shorter final drive) it roughly equates to a 0.3 difference in 0-60mph and 0.7 difference at 0-100 mph when compared to the manual.
So the sele shifts slower when driven professionally, it weighs more giving it a lower power to weight ratio and it has a slower gear ratio and this affects the acceleration badly on the track. I looked at both gearbox options for my 3.7 autodelta GT when i was building it for the track and the manual worked out to be far superior, reliable and has little needed to make it better at a much lower price.
I'd love to see a video about your GT. 😍 Im the owner of GT 3.2 too and I agree its a brilliant car. With Q2, good tires and Bilstein B12 Pro Kit suspension it juuust mooves. Lovely car!
Best Lap was the Alfa with 1:10:15" if it would've had a manual it would have been a much better battle. Same goes for the r32
@Power House you might be right, but I don't know the difference between best and attack...
What a video...Honda all the way.. true underdog
The BMW driver had the most fun !
idk man the type r engine sounded way more fun to me and looked amazing fun to drive, but thats just my opinion
Yep inline 6 rwd
Alfa with the best lap time
The Integra is a track focused, lightweight car with absolutely no amenities or spec inside it for everyday use. All of the other cars are loaded up with kit, which adds weight but makes all of them better day to day. However the one car that is missing from this era (2006) is the Megane R26, and I'm pretty confident it would walk this.
I’m envious of anyone who owns a dc5 type r I love my type S but i would love a type r
A JDM Type R maybe, but anywhere else in the world good luck getting your hands on that. The Type S was the final version of the Integra and they got the balance right IMHO. If I had to trade I would love a DC2 Type R but with no air-con? Summer is brutal in Australia, driving a car in 45°C heat with no air-con? I'll keep the Type S thanks 😉
@@DasGigPig I had a dc2 for 13 years , but you are damn right I made sure it had the air con option ! I Even had the 6 speaker stereo installed later but to be honest I wasted my time there as I could never really hear it! As a side note we have crap winters in the UK and when it was snowing or icy it was a death trap. Still get a Type R , after a few years in a BMW I am considering another one...
I have a turbo Type-S with a JDM LSD and Brembos
Sounds like they had a blast on this one lol
130i の N52 エンジンは、BMW がこれまでに製造した中で最高で最も信頼性の高いエンジンです。
Oh how the result would be different if the 130i had limited slip differential. Too bad it wasn't offered from the factory.
130i needed better tyres and lsd!
Integra DC5 4 life!!!! 💘💘💘💘💘 0:50 😏🔰❤
No, my 130i would fuck it up LOL, speically 0-100
@@dylanweise4802 The 0-100 is not everything my friend also the bmw has a 3-liter engine without turbo plus rear wheel drive instead the integra DC5 only has a 2-liter engine without turbo and Front wheel drive, The type-R is a better car for corners and track performance, the 130 is more comfortable but its a really nice car .
Dylan Weise your everywhere in comment section talking about how your 130i would beat the DC5. Lmao Jesus how insecure you must be to be spamming that everywhere.
Real life Gran Turismo. Neat.
What is the song 0:13 ?
Honda awesome
Why did Daisuke Ito stop appearing after like 2010?
I still love the vw and bm 😍 just wana slap a dirty turbo on the r32 and watch it fly
Nice set up
No turbo.... ❤️
Yes party ❤️
Lol! When the camera car gets the best timing for time attack!
how come the corolla T-sport or ts compressor is never featured??
Because it's junk and not on the same level as these...
@@ArmadaAsesino it's as good as an ep3 or fn2 type-r civic, it's better than a mk4 golf gti, so to say its junk is a bit silly really
Alright, somebody is scared of Audi. It is so stupid that they didn't use rs3 or even s3 regardless the big displacement engine. Each division has different level of performance and a STOCK a3 is definitely a town car. It is a pathetic choice when at the same time, its opponents are r32 golf, integra type R and 130iM. Overall it is very disrespectful...at least they remembered quattro...
The title gives away the end results lol
nice race but anyone knows the song at the grid introduction?!!
hey, does anyone know the name of the song in the beginning? Shazam can't find it, unfortunately
Honda always win
if that was an m135i (which is a top model hatch from bmw) that integra would get smoked on the straight, no doubt. also, why not use audi s3? it was out in 2006. and to top it off, finding a 147 gta with selespeed is almost impossible, idk how they did it. integra is good, without doubt, but serious performers from europe could wipe their asses with an integra, so i call absolute bullshit.
Ivan Knježević because the higher grade models were available in japan later or never.
conclusion all cars were great and fast