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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- A look at the strength of the Western Conference throughout the 1980s.
Do we not give them enough credit?
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Do we give Magic’s competition too much credit, or too little?
Lakes had weak competition in the 80s. On the other hand things were truly hard for Bird. He had to go through Bucks, Sixers and Pistons. It's quite as simple as I describe it really
The overall competition in the 80s had up and down with some years better than others.
the 79-83 and 87-89 were ok/good years
the 83-87 were really weak (like the eastern conference in the early 2000s)
the post 89 become great with big teams like the blazers, spurs, suns or jazzs
Nice Video Do the 80’s Eastern Conference next
Another excellent video Jonny 👍
I'd say too little. Hardly any of the 80s Western teams ever get talked about other than the 86 Rockets.
One person you forgot for the 80’s Jazz is Adrian Dantely. I know he didn’t win all that much, but he was out there averaging over 30 a game in multiple seasons
He included and talked about Adrian Dantley on his most underrated players list video. I’m also wondering why he forgot to mention him here.
Even if the early 1980s Houston Rockets were weaker than the mid-decade teams, they did go to the finals in 1981 and have the MVP, Moses Malone, in the 1981-82 season.
1980-81 was a postseason that featured a couple notable upsets and two losing regular season teams played in a conference final; something we’ll probably never see again.
there was 8-17 teams when wilt played and out of this list let me know when you see a bad center
mind you these are their barefoot heights, in the modern NBA you would add 1-2 inches to their height, as players have been measured in their shoes only after 1977)
C-Bill Russell: 6’10” HOF (143 games played in 9 seasons)
C-Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF(27 games played in 4 seasons)
C-Willis Reed: 6,10” HOF(72 games played in 8 seasons)
C-Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF(100 games played in 11 seasons)
C-Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF
C-Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF(17 games played in 3 seasons)
C-Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF(47 games played in 4 seasons)
C-Bob McAdoo: 6’10” HOF (5 games played in 1 season)
C-Elvin Hayes:6’9 “ HOF (22 games played in 4 seasons)
(Wes Unseld is also a HOF center but he is 6’9) (26 times in 5 seasons)
(Dave Cowens is also a HOF Center/Forward but he is 6”9)(17 games played in 3 seasons)
(Connie Hawkins is also a HOF Forward/ center but he is 6”9)(31 games played in 4 seasons)
@@fortynights1513exactly these were some kinda trash teams made playoffs in West( like the early 2000s East) but 2 actually make the WCF... That didn't even. Happen in the 2000s East
@@JohnnyRodgers3I didn't one bad center on there. Underrated centers? Definitely, I saw many centers in there that are underrated
@@Old_School_NBA_Fan and they say wilt had no competition...which is clearly wrong😭...did you know that wilt 574 out wilts 1045 games were played against HOF center...thats 54%
Best duo in my book
Kareem with the skyhook
Magic with the no look
Was leaving ‘em so shook. 🏀
What a rhyme!
Ain't no duo when you have teammates like this when they won a ring:
Worthy, N. Nixon (16-3-8), J. Wilkes (17-6-2), B. Scott, AC Green, M. Cooper, B. McAdoo
Don't tell me those teams they played with ain't stacked.
Worthy is a forgotten stud. Those Laker teams were deep.
80s basketball very underrated and very fast very entertaining for basketball fans
So very much true.
What people don't understand is that when Magic retired in 91 all of his West competition in the 80s made the finals in the 90s. Blazers, Suns, Rockets, Sonics, Jazz and Spurs. The reason they could not in the 80s was because of Magic. With the exception of the Rockets of course. The competition wasn't weak. Magic was just too great.
Excellent point!!
@@jonnyarnett Thank you. Magic is and always will be my favorite player ever. I pride myself on being almost an "expert" on his career.
@@terrellbaker1660 Facts. But the Suns did get them in 1990 as well. People do the same thing with Jordan and Russell competition.
the 80s versions of those teams were different to the 90s versions of those teams xd
@@11DowningStreet True. But the fact that all those franchises (not teams) made the finals after Magic retired says something.
Alvin Robertson is also another underrated player from that conference, though the Spurs weren't good for most of that decade.
The only guard to record a quadruple double
@@slinkybeans2442 The only instance w/ steals instead of blocks.
That 1988 Dallas Mavericks team was very good. They scared me! Roy tarpley is a great What if? If Roy tarpley had gotten his act together, he could have been a great big man. The Lakers had very few answers for Roy tarpley.
True. Roy has been forgotten. He doesn't even get mentioned as a what if. Mavs had a great run with him
Ppl don't remember, I Kareem retired after that playoff season, Tarpley was making Kareem look bad out there...
Roy Tarpley was giving an aged Kareem "the business" and my whole household as a kid was scared the Dallas Mavericks were going to upset the Showtime Lakers....
Tarpley was key in that series, Jonny's video didn't speak of Roy Tarpley and I believe if memory serves me correctly, Tarpley was the very 1st NBA player to be not only suspended but Banned from the NBA for Life! For substance abuse!
Also a few key things happened after that playoff series, the Pistons traded Adrian Dantley for Mark Aguirre, the Lakers acquired Sam Perkins from Dallas shortly after that series (I forget how)
True. Again though, Dallas wasn't much defensively. Much like high scoring Denver with the big 3, Seattle with Ellis, Chambers and McDaniel. All teams that could light the board, but that pretty much it.
Lakers could usually outscore em, get a few key stops and game over. This is where a Michael Cooper was so key. With Boston, Philly and Milwaukee as well, those were tough battles on both ends.
The 1980s and 1990s were the NBA's heyday.
NBA on CBS and NBA on NBC were more interesting than the current NBA on ESPN.
I had heard of Chambers, but I had no idea he could fly and dunk like that.
They don't call him the Flying Dutchman for no reason
@@Old_School_NBA_Fan That was actually Rik Smits from Indiana and it was the “Dunking Dutchman”. Easy to mix those two cats up though with the whole giant blonde dudes who can throw it down thang I suppose!
@@Yapperofthecentury97 Oops! I guess I did mix those two up. Thanks for letting me know
Damn.. Even I didn't know Cooper was all Defense 8 straight years.. One of the most underrated players of that era along with Jeff Malone
Thanks for highlighting Tom Chambers. He was my favorite player to use in Lakers vs Celtics with his special move automatic dunk
What was a better conference:
The East that LeBron made the finals out of consistently in the 2010’s, or the 1980’s West that Magic and Kareem consistently made the finals out of?
Magic's West cuz those were some great teams that flourished once he left(Suns, Rockets, Blazers, Spurs, Jazz, Sonics) While most teams that Lebron beat will be forgotten or featured in a similar video to this one in 15-20 years.(Wall-Beal Wizards, IT Celtics, Horford-Millsap Hawks, D Rose Bulls, Melo Knicks, PG24 Pacers and last but not least Lebronto). Interesting domino effect, Toronto wins the 1st season Lebron goes to the west and following free agency sent the whole league into rebuild mode
Mid 2010s when Lebrons biggest competition was the derozen biyombo led raptors 😭😭
I think they're about the same. I don't think another team from the 80s West or 10s East was capable of winning a championship against the top teams of the other conference.
I say both kinda weird. Early 80s west was pretty weak or developing while Lakers was already great then second half actually had a few like Dallas and Denver or Utah but still pretty weak. EAST still had Boston in 2010s then Indiana then later on I becomes more opeb
@trevmorin Rockets, Blazers sonics and suns didn't do anything but consistently lose. Lmao
Please do more conference breakdowns.
I think you should have mentioned Kiki Vandeweghe at some point in this video. That dude was a scoring machine for a decent stretch in the 80's.
i was also expecting that
I was also surprised he went into extent about the 80's Denver Nuggets without even mentioning Kiki Vandeweghe or Coach Doug Moe
facts
2000s west going to be fun
1:48 - 1998 NBA Championship, jumped 10 years, dang. I'd imagine James Worthy would play that long if he wasn't injured
Definitely keep these going. Definitely wouldn’t mind them for every decade.
The 1980s lakers were stacked
2nd most stacked team after the 60s celtics. Ridiculous levels of talents.
At the time. They were just a team. Kareem couldn't make the playoffs. Magic was a rookie.
At the time The Lakers, The Boston of the 60s weren't superteams during those days. Just very good.
Well drafted.
@andrewcook1246 Exactly they had 3 first overall pics
@@Bigedub101 and bob mcadoo, mike cooper, jamal wilkes, byron scott and mykael thompson. Ridiculous
@@andrewcook1246McAdoo and Thompson coming off the bench! Along with Cooper.
Do one about the 2000 western conference and the early 2010 western conference. You have to win 50 games just to be a 8th seed in those days lol
That's a material for a great series, can't wait to see another one for the 80s east
This feels like a deep dive video! Lot of stuff about players I know about, but don't often hear mentioned.
I’ve always loved the West in the 90’s. I now the East won 7 of the 10 championships in the decade but most of that was Jordan. The 90’s Blazers, Lakers, Suns, Rockets, Sonics, Jazz, & Spurs are underrated.
Dr. Dunkenstein wrote me a prescription for more Jonny Arnett videos.
The 80s East was way tougher than the West up until ... 90s and later the 2000s
I have always said that Bird would have more rings if he had been on a more stacked team like the Lakers and faced worse teams in the Conference.
More stacked team? What are you smoking? The Celtics had 4 Hall of Famers, 5 if you include Bill Walton. And their competition didn't get stiff until the Bad Boy Pistons hit their stride late in the decade.
@markula_4040 dr j 76rs, dominque hawks, sidney moncrief bucks and bernard knicks were the comp in the eastern conference. Birds team didnt run the eastern conference unil 85 86, and even then that was the only year they really ran through the comp.
@@markula_4040 Hall of Famers don't equal All Time Greats, and Walton was glass. And the Celtics was horrible before Bird up until they made some trades to acquire Parish and McHale
Magic came into an already playoff team that got stronger via a first round pick in 1982. The competition also matters here, West was ass with only the Lakers and late 80s Portland as the only real contenders
@@markula_4040 You're joking. In 1981, 3 teams in the East won 60+ games(Celtics,76ers and Bucks). 76ers had 3 Hofers and 1 boderline Hof(Andrew Toney,who would have made the Hof if not for injuries). They had 4 Hofers once Moses Malone came. The 1980-1982 East was insanely competitive and it was impossible to know who would make the finals. The Bucks even SWEPT the Celtics in the 1983 playoffs. Once the 76ers started to decline and the Celtics thought they would finally have it easy, the Pistons hit their prime. The Celtics with Bird lost 7 different years WITH homecourt advantage, that should tell you how competitive that Era was at the top.
If Len Bias and Reggie Lewis were around in Celtics uniforms and if Larry Bird wouldn't have had that back injury around the 1987-88 off season summer...
The Boston Celtics would have still been in contention well into the 90's, battling Detroit and Chicago for supremacy
Sitting here on a sunny day. Downtown is quiet. Listening to my fav RUclipsr. Have a blessed day Johnny
You too friend 🫡
I would love this as a series
Yes, please make more videos like this
Nice job bro ,👏👏👏 excelent .
For sure we need a part 2 to this
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BIG Ralph!!!!
Please do bird and Kobe’s next bc I’m sure Kobe had the hardest competition by far. Birds is up there with magic too
Birds comp was significantly tougher. Multiple superteams and all time greatest teams in the eastern conference in the 80s.
Kobe definitely had the toughest competition. Record for most 50 win teams beaten in the playoffs, only all time great to have beaten a 50 win team in every round of the playoffs multiple times, also the legend with the strongest playoff competition according to SRS (his threepeat teams are all in the top 5 toughest SRS for a championship team, plus his 09 and 10 squads were 16th and 12 respectively in the last 40 years). The west was a total bloodbath in his era
@@Greg-gp6vzI’ve heard some say Kobe’s competition was tough, but I’ve heard others say that the other teams in the West looked so good statistically because the corresponding East was so bad (these critics claim the West was a two team conference, and cite the fact that in 06 when Dallas got through the West, they lost to Miami and that that was the only time that San Antonio or LA made it out of the west).
Not saying that latter perspective makes sense, but I have heard people say it.
@@fortynights1513 I mean I can see it, but the west was very stacked since most of the stars played there, with guys like Dirk, KG, Nash, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq and Kidd for a while, Melo, Tracy, Yao Ming, Ray Allen, Amar’e Stoudemire, among others. You had guys like LeBron and Wade in the East for most of it, but even if you look at stuff like all star games, the west was far deeper overall, and realistically, teams like the Suns would’ve done even better in the east. (Plus, Dirk was kind of known as a choker before his 2011 run ended the narrative)
@@Greg-gp6vz That's debateable. It's tough to compare competition by using SRS, because they were less teams in the league during the 80s, hence weak teams would make it to the playoffs, like that 30 win Bulls team in 1986. However, at the top, the East was stacked. They had 3 of the best superteams of all time in that decade(76ers, Celtics and Pistons), not to mention other great teams, some that broke the 60 win mark(Bucks). They played tons of super competitive series in the 80s East. I mean, Bird's Celtics lost 7 different years WITH home court advantage, those runs were tough.
I love all your vids jonny!!!
I, as an avid basketball fan, would love this to be a series.
Don't forget to keep up the hard work for the All-time NBA teams series
Great video !!! 80s was very overwhelmed by the Boston Celtics and Lakers but the competition was very talented among other teams 🔥🔥🔥
Please make this a series. My love for basketball is at an all time peak, and I would love to have a better idea of the landscape of the NBA before my time.
Don't forget the 1980 Seattle Supersonics. They were coming off of a championship season in 1979, and they still had the same supporting cast. They beat the Lakers in Game 1, and had a 20-point lead in another game. Then, after a down year in 81 (where Gus Williams and Lonnie Shelton were missing, and DJ was traded for Westphal), Gus and Lonnie returned in 82, and they challenged LA in the Pacific all year. They beat the defending West champ Rockets, and it looked like another matchup with LA was imminent. However, they lost to the Iceman and the Spurs in the second round.
first half 80s of Spurs should also on the list since they made 2 conference finals against the Lakers...
Side note: Magic averaged a triple double in the 1983 western conference finals against those Spurs.
Always watching your Videos After my Lateshift and its just amazing💯
As Always much love from Germany❤️🇩🇪
This was excellent!!! Please make more 🙏
This is a really good video and a great concept for a series. I learned a lot form this one. Nice to see a video not focused on Bird - Magic - MJ - Bad Boys.
I don't comment to much but yo Videos are Always on Point Great Inside
Good idea to acknowledge other teams and great players in their eras.
*Another great video Jonny.*
Great video. Magic is a beast. He is top 3 all-time and he is definitely in the GOAT discussion.
Top Ten basketball players of all time.
1. Wilt
2. MJ
3. Magic
4. Kareem
5. Bird
6. Hakeem
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Mr Russell
10. Dr J
Top 12 most underrated basketball players of all time.
1. Nate Thurmond
2. Moses
3. Elgin
4. Iverson
5. Mitch Richmond
6. Tmac
7. Wilt
8. Greek Freak
9. Duncan
10. English
11. Artis Gilmore
12. Bernard
Good video Jonny and Good times.
Love it! More plz
Great take on the 80s Jonny. There was indeed great teams in the west. Magic and the Lakers were the juggernaut. There were alot of great players who wore the purple and gold throughout that decade. The East was also pretty strong and was becoming what become the beastern conference near the end of the 80s and well into the 90s.
The East was much stronger. They wouldn’t have been a Juggernaut in the East.
3 teams that won titles in the 80’s had to go through each other just to make a Finals, and the 4th team was the Dynasty of the 90’s.
The Lakers faced nobody in the West that was good enough to win a title before the Finals. The Celtics, Sixers, Bulls, and Pistons did…
This was awesome 👏🏾 more 🙏 🎉🎉🎉🎉😮😮😮😮😊😊😊
Norm Nixon was an AS caliber PG. Cooper was an elite defender and good 3pt shooter. Silk was a tremendous defender and an excellent shooter, as was his replacement, Byron Scott. The Lakers also had MVP Bob McAdoo on the bench.
Great video Jonny 👍
I rather have people trying to tarnish my accomplishments than sugarcoating my failures. That’s how you know you’re really that guy.
I enjoyed this video I actually learned some stuff and I always tune in to any video you drop
It's in to Tom Chambers at this moment... Damn, he was smashing rims and over twenty thousands points.... C'mon, what is happen with this man's glory
This rocked Jonny I’d love to see another video like it 👍
of course, we want to know more about conferences in each decade
Please more videos like and others more 👍🏼🙏🏼
1988 Jazz, Mavs were both legit. I'd like to point out a two more legit West teams not named:
1980 SuperSonics who were the defending Champs
1983 Spurs who had George Gervin and Artis Gilmore in their last year as big stars, also had a very prolific under the radar scorer Mitch Mitchell who averaged 19.8 ppg on 49% fg (22.3 ppg on 49.6% fg in his prime) and a respectable 5.6 rpg (6.3 in his prime).
East was better but there were some impressive teams in the West not just the Lakers
Little known stories from both conferences for every decade followed by a ranking would be very cool
The 70's and 80's nba players are only underrated by people who watch RUclips videos. I watched both decades and games were way better than they are today.
It was basically the equivalent of Bron in the east in the 2000s and early 2010s. A few tough teams here and there, but for the most part you're running to the finals 😂
Not even close. Stockton and Malone Jazz, Gervin and Gilmore Spurs, English Nuggets, Hakeem and Sampson Rockets, Aguirre, Harper and Rolando Mavs, Chambers, X-man and Ellis Sonics etc. Far better than LeBron's east
LeBron systematically destroyed the East by moving so much talent to one team.
@@phillipcummings3518 What was a better conference:
The East that LeBron made the finals out of consistently in the 2010’s, or the 1980’s West that Magic and Kareem consistently made the finals out of?
@fortynights1513 the magic west by default cause it took him and Kareem lol Brons east was so ass that he could make it to the finals by himself (2007)
@@fortynights1513I don't know about you but Lebron facing 50 win teams in the playoffs for onky 50% of the time is pretty telling.
Without the Lakers the east would have dominated the west in the finals. The east was overall superior. The Lakers real competition was whoever they faced from the east in the finals - Boston, Sixers; the Pistons. It might have even helped the Lakers going in to the finals, as they were usually fresher then the east coast teams. The east coast teams would have life and death playoffs with each other, while the Lakers generally breezed through the playoffs. Usually the Lakers where fresher going in. However the Lakers where a super team, with loads of talent and big game players, and it takes nothing away from the Lakers. They were still the team of the 80’s. However I do believe they played in weaker conference which helped them not only constantly make the finals, but also go into the finals as the fresher team.
Gonna need your analysis of the East in 1950’s
Many West teams were playing JV showtime fun, open offensive basketball ... but not going to beat Lakers at their own game. Meanwhile the East was a war.
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More!!!
There were some decent teams in the west, but it was a cake walk compared with what Bird had to deal with.
False. The East and West was pretty even from top to bottom.
@@sideshowbobsaget8876dr j 76rs were in their prime in the early 80s, and mid 80s the bad boys pistons came around. Sidney moncrief bucks, doninique hawks and bernard king knicks all gave the celtics trouble. Stop pretending magic had equal comp.
@@alecvip7562 What was a better conference:
The East that LeBron made the finals out of consistently in the 2010’s, or the 1980’s West that Magic and Kareem consistently made the finals out of?
@@fortynights1513the 1989s LeBron destroyed the East competition
@@alecvip7562 In 88, the Lakers went thru Chambers, X-man and Ellis Sonics, Stockton, Malone, Bailey and Eaton Jazz, Aguirre, Harper and Rolando Mavs. Then took the Pistons out in 7.
Hakeem and Sampson Rockets, Gervin and Gilmore Spurs, Clyde Blazers, Davis and Nance Suns etc. When you dominate at the level the Lakers did people underrate their competition. People do this with Jordan and Russell as well. Like I said they were pretty even. And let's stop acting like the Celtics weren't stacked. McHale,Parish, Tiny, DJ, Ainge, etc.
More like this plz 70s too
Its true. Only Moses Malone & Ralph Samson were players the Lakers had no answer for.
I tend to find that the league was more professional in the 80s and 90s. College basketball had Matured in the 70s. And by the time most rookies hit the NBA draft they had been drilling with some of the best basketball minds ever. Now we rely on the G-league, lesser international leagues, and overly budgeted highschool programs for development. None of these allow for growth like college does. When an Octogenarian white lady tells me, while watching the NBA finals"..they took the street out of the game.." I have concerns. What she meant was that no one moves anymore; they all try to get set to take an open 3. Btw, it wasn't plumbers, it was dentists. And that was in the 60s.
Yes please make more vids like this
Love the video...
Yh definitely rank the conferences in each era would be sick
The Showtime Lakers were a stacked team. I would agree Worthy is under-rated. Worthy is one of those players that prove that stats alone don't tell the full story of how good a player is. I do agree the West was not as competitive as the East at that point.
There's a reason he was dubbed Big Game James by the legendary Chick Hearn (RIP)
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This pains me until this day...
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Interested in a video for the East.
Great points! While the East had more dominant teams, the West was not as lopsidedly thin as the Kobe/LBJ-era Leastern Conference. This also gives more substance to Larry Bird's team success relative Magic because of the more difficult road to the Finals.
Magic's Super Teams didn't just have Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, and Scott, but also All-Star Norm Nixon and Hall of Famer Jamaal Wilkes at the start of the 80's Lakers Dynasty. As stacked as the Bird Celtics and Bad Boy Pistons were with starry players and depth, the Showtime Lakers had the most--credit to the team management for making it possible. Put Isiah or Stockton in Magic's shoes, and either could have won 3-5 titles!
In the video, a statistic was mentioned that the West had 25 50-win teams in the decade compared to the East's 35 50-win teams. Since teams played teams within their own conference far more often than teams of the other conference, wouldn't this mean the East had more bad teams than did the West? I get the argument that the East's elite teams were, overall, better than the West's elite teams (I don't necessarily agree with it but I get it)- except for the Lakers. But might the reason for having more 50-win teams be that, while the ceiling was higher, the floor was lower?
Valid point,@@Mustapha1963.
The best way to determine that is to see the regular season records of the games between East and West teams. If it's true that the win record of the East versus West teams is close to 50%, then it means that the West was not a weak conference at all... I'm sure that stat can be dug up somewhere...
In the mid-80s, Magic tried to engineer a trade: James Worthy to the Dallas Mavericks for Mark Aguirre. Aguirre and Magic were close friends (along with Isiah Thomas) and Magic thought that Aguirre had more "upside potential" than did Worthy. As a Lakers fan of that era, I'm SO glad this deal was never made. Worthy earned his "Big Game James" nickname honestly. He had, I think, more offensive tools than Aguirre did, shot better, rebounded better and passed better. Neither one played elite defense but Worthy was a better team defender than Aguirre was. When Kareem was traded to the Lakers in the mid-70s, the team usually played two short (for the position) forwards alongside Kareem- Adrian Dantley and Jamaal Wilkes. Both would terrific scorers but don't ask them to play defense or rebound. The Lakers had to use a guy by the name of Don Ford at 'power forward'. Reporters covering the team said he was "all forward, no power". Think of him as a less physically gifted Kurt Rambis. Kareen dang near killed himself trying to pick up Dantley's and Wilkes' players after their defensive lapses.
Any Lakers fan should be eminently grateful they never swapped Worthy for Aguirre. Mark had deeper range and maybe a better ISO scorer, but Worthy as an ideal fit for the showtime break. And easily a better defender as well.
Definitely make MORE like it
Can we get a second part for Birds Comp? Please
The East was the tougher conference but the Lakers were stacked.
Good video
He walked into a contender, with an all-time great. a true contender. Do you know how many players couldvewon a ring in his shoes? It should never be compared to what Steph did. Magic over Steph will be disrespectful at a certain point. Disrespectful to a 4 time GSW champion, revolutionized the game. Gets assists without touching the ball and his scoring is unstoppable.
Make more of these please
Bird always said the same thing. But let me ask this: if Jordan always gets credit that competition was weak only because they couldn’t get past him. Why isn’t the same narrative applied to the 80s Lakers? The Mavericks, Jazz, Suns, and even early Spurs had 2-3 all stars each
In lack of competition was compensated via stern defense
Fat Lever sounds like the best euphemism.
Jonny, you think if the Lakers didn't had this unwritten policy of only retiring Jerseys of Superstars, Cooper would have his 21 Jersey hanging in the staples?
Can't forget about Portland n the 80s
yep I enjoyed it make more like it
Ngl the only thing stopping the 80s west from being weaker than the 00s East was the fact that Magic/Kareem and Hakeem were in the conference 😂
How about compared to 10’s East without LeBron?
You don't sound like a GPS navigation in this video. Talking faster, I want my GPS navigation back
I do keep makeing videos like this because I feel like the info really helps when I argue with people about the nba 😂😂
Do more of the VS series
Magic Johnson the greatest Point Guard of all time the nba in the 80s was physically fast 🔥
LeBron and jordan could be better point guards
@@davidwilliams316 LEBRON cant play PG...he never made anyone better...and everyone that plays with him got worse..THATS a FACT...and the other fact is that there is a huge difference between making passes and creating plays..
@@onlyfacts3178 um 2020. He played like a point guard on the cavs in 2016-2018. He had a crazy 17 assist 0 turnover game.
@@davidwilliams316 keep being delusional casual naive fan however, Jordan is a shooting guard, Lebron a forward and dribble very is funny and prone to turnovers which they never promote, Phil Jackson stated every time Lebron dribbles it a carry or travel 😂😂😂
@@davidwilliams316LeBron is a great passer but he only ever averaged assists in double figures once. Magic did so his whole career, if he didn't retire early he would far and away be the all time leader in assists and nobody would break it instead of Stockton.
For the most part, the 80s western conference was weak. Bird had much tougher competition in the East. Magic only had to win one real playoffs series to win the finals whereas Bird had to win 2-3 hard playoff series to win the championship.
I was just in Fat Lever gym last night. None of the high school players know who he is anymore.
Definitely one of the underappreciated stars of his day.
we're gonna need a truth of MJ's finals competiton
You forgot Kiki Vandeweghe. He had some great games with Nuggets… and a Bruin too
I loved watching Kiki. He was another Western conference killer scorer with little D. Fit in with Aguirre, Dantley, Purvis Short (GS), Chambers and Ellis at Seattle. Fun to watch but little resistance at the other end. Typified W conference style of play of the era.
Even the Lakers were at times known for it. But when Riley cracked down , they could turn it up. With Cooper on the perimeter and wing and Kareem in the paint, you can do that.
The "Top 4" players of all time had a stacked and deep teams when they won. These are those noteworthy teammates when they won a ring:
Magic - Kareem, Worthy, N. Nixon (16-3-8), J. Wilkes (17-6-2), B. Scott, AC Green, M. Cooper, B. McAdoo
Kareem - O. Robertson, B. Dandridge (HOF 18-7-4) + see LA teammates above
Wilt - Philly: H. Greer (19-5-4), B. Cunningham (21-10), C. Walker (18-7-2), LA - J. West, G. Goodrich (All HOF)
Bird - R. Parish, C. Maxwell, K. McHale, D. Johnson, T. Archibald (All HOF)
Don't tell me those teams they played with ain't stacked.
The strength of Bird's competition in the East in the 80s pls?
Philly was right there every year. Milwaukee too. Detroit was coming on strong, drafting Thomas and Tripucka, trading for Laimbeer.